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Speaker 1: I do want to say that our our guy here, Travis,
Speaker 1: did do a rap over our intro music. Gave it
Speaker 1: a shot. And although you know, I would actually rank
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Speaker 1: rock Him and Tupac, then Travis, I think he might.
Speaker 1: I think he might be fourth on the list and
Speaker 1: maybe Emma, thank you Travis, thanks for thanks for being there.
Speaker 1: As always. Joe Madrid on audio. Not a rapper, not
Speaker 1: a rapper. I could dance, I'm not a I'm a lover,
Speaker 1: not a rapper. Let's let's get into it. Let's talk
Speaker 1: NFL Week ten, and and started out the week really
Speaker 1: started quiet early in the in the early games, and
Speaker 1: then they ramped up and there there's definitely a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff to talk about. And so our big game
Speaker 1: of the week, Carolina and Green Bay, ended with a
Speaker 1: replay review and and the Packers were a head. Panthers
Speaker 1: were driving down by eight so they have to score
Speaker 1: and obviously go for two and uh an interesting call.
Speaker 1: They actually it was four seconds on the clock, so
Speaker 1: so chances are this is your only shot unless you
Speaker 1: get a penalty. And they ran a run up the
Speaker 1: middle to McCaffrey hoping, hoping to catch you know, the packers.
Speaker 1: By surprise, McCaffrey looked like he was stacked up, He
Speaker 1: was on bodies. He he stretched for the goal line
Speaker 1: and was ruled short. Went to review and the ruling
Speaker 1: on the field stood. And look, this is one of
Speaker 1: those deals that even with even with all of the
Speaker 1: camera coverage, there's a couple of reasons why I call
Speaker 1: in the field stands. And we'll talk about this one.
Speaker 1: This was one where we just never got a look
Speaker 1: at where the ball was in relation to the goal line.
Speaker 1: And I know, Travis, you had sent me that Albert Brier,
Speaker 1: you know who's who's an NFL writer, had had tweeted
Speaker 1: out about the call. And what did what did he say?
Speaker 1: Albert Brier said, he's a he's an writer here. He said,
Speaker 1: I think McCaffrey. McCaffrey probably got the ball across at
Speaker 1: one point or another, but there's no good look at
Speaker 1: it the key where there's probably yeah when you start
Speaker 1: saying probably and think and look, we knew this when
Speaker 1: we brought replay back in and that that and even
Speaker 1: and then imagine in ninety nine there were there wasn't
Speaker 1: a high definition. I mean it was standard deaf. Go
Speaker 1: back and watch a football game and standard deaf, and
Speaker 1: and tell me if you broadcast from Afghanistan from like underwater,
Speaker 1: it's insane. And so so we knew that there were
Speaker 1: gonna be situations where even with the camera you know,
Speaker 1: right down the line, which here it's a goal line play,
Speaker 1: that that you weren't going to get a great look
Speaker 1: all of the time. And this was one situation where
Speaker 1: because it happened that the goal line there were bodies
Speaker 1: in the way, we never got to look at the football.
Speaker 1: So the call on the field stood. And and and
Speaker 1: that's the thing. You think about the coverage in games
Speaker 1: and Sunday night football, you know, you probably you know
Speaker 1: you could have twenty cameras on on during the day
Speaker 1: on Sunday, depending on what what crew it is, you
Speaker 1: might have eight to ten cameras. And and the thinking
Speaker 1: was the competition committee thought about that and they said, okay, well,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have teams playing with more camera coverage. But
Speaker 1: they felt like, okay, the two teams that are playing
Speaker 1: in that game, they're under the same parameters, they have
Speaker 1: the same camera coverage. And then there was a lot
Speaker 1: of conversation, Hey, but what about you know, if if
Speaker 1: my division rival, you know, one of the teams in
Speaker 1: my division has more prime time games, and they're gonna
Speaker 1: have greater coverage than the games that I have. And
Speaker 1: and the competition committee said, look, the game that you're playing,
Speaker 1: you're you and your opponent are are playing under the
Speaker 1: same parameters. And and that's the you know, that's the
Speaker 1: equitable part of it. It's never gonna be perfectly equitable.
Speaker 1: But this was obviously a situation. This is the game
Speaker 1: you'd love to have the clear look to say either
Speaker 1: he scored or he didn't. But the call in the
Speaker 1: field stood. And that's like I said to start, there's
Speaker 1: one of two reasons why a call on the field
Speaker 1: will stand. It's that you don't have enough information to
Speaker 1: make a definitive ruling. Here, we just didn't see the football.
Speaker 1: The second reason to call on the field will stand.
Speaker 1: This goes to our second play that we're going to discuss.
Speaker 1: This was another one of our games rams Steelers, and
Speaker 1: this is a big play ends up being a big
Speaker 1: play in the game. Jared Goff gets hit, ball comes loose,
Speaker 1: the Steelers pick it up, Manka Fitzpatrick and and and
Speaker 1: runs it in for a touchdown. It goes to review,
Speaker 1: and this was a play past fumble where we had
Speaker 1: all the looks you see the football the entire time.
Speaker 1: Then it just comes down to judgment, right and and
Speaker 1: if we don't can't say definitively that the hand came
Speaker 1: forward with control, and when you're talking about control of
Speaker 1: the football, that can get subjective. So the booth, actually
Speaker 1: it's an automatic review booth looked at it. They didn't
Speaker 1: stop the game for further review. They determined, which is
Speaker 1: part of that process what happens scoring plays, turnovers inside
Speaker 1: two minutes, the replay official is looking at all reviewable
Speaker 1: aspects of every play. This was obviously an automatic review
Speaker 1: because it resulted in a score. It was a turnover
Speaker 1: and uh and they determined that either they couldn't tell
Speaker 1: whether the hand was going forward and they knew they
Speaker 1: weren't going to change it, or they determined that the
Speaker 1: hand wasn't coming forward with control, and and they were
Speaker 1: gonna let the play stand and uh, and they didn't
Speaker 1: stop the game for a further review. Bottom line is,
Speaker 1: you look at that play and I immediately my initial
Speaker 1: reaction was passed. I thought the ball was coming the
Speaker 1: hand was coming forward. Initial movement of the hand coming
Speaker 1: forward intentional movement is a forward pass. I thought the
Speaker 1: hand was coming forward. Then I started to look at it.
Speaker 1: There was one angle from behind where it looked like
Speaker 1: maybe the ball came out before the hand came forward.
Speaker 1: But then there was a sideline shot that it did
Speaker 1: appear that the hand was coming forward. Look if if
Speaker 1: you don't if one angle shows one thing and another
Speaker 1: angle shows something different than you always revert back to
Speaker 1: the call on the field. And that's basically what they did.
Speaker 1: They determined that, um, they weren't going to change it.
Speaker 1: To me, it looked like a forward pass. I certainly
Speaker 1: would have liked them to stop the game and looked
Speaker 1: even further. But it certainly looked like a forward pass.
Speaker 1: But but again, big big play in the game because
Speaker 1: it ends up being a one score game. I thought
Speaker 1: it looked real Tuck ruly like he was going to
Speaker 1: bring it back down. Yeah, so let's talk about the
Speaker 1: tuck rule for a second. So it's a pass. The
Speaker 1: forward movement of the hand starts the passing motion until
Speaker 1: he starts to bring the ball back towards his body.
Speaker 1: And and so the key is if I start the
Speaker 1: hand forward and I lose it before I start to
Speaker 1: bring it back down, it's a pass. If I start
Speaker 1: to bring it back down, then I lose it, it's
Speaker 1: a fumble. Now the old tuck rule, it was a
Speaker 1: fumble until I actually tucked it all the way to
Speaker 1: my body. So it was close. It really was one
Speaker 1: where the defender actually hit gosspan hit his arm and uh.
Speaker 1: And the question is did the hand come forward? You know,
Speaker 1: I thought it was a pass. I didn't think I
Speaker 1: didn't think that that if it had gone to review.
Speaker 1: Letting it stand was so outrageous because it was so close.
Speaker 1: But this is again, these calls are so close, and
Speaker 1: you're talking about subjectivity when you're talking about movement and control.
Speaker 1: And there was a thought back in when we were
Speaker 1: putting together the list of reviewable plays, there was a
Speaker 1: thought to saying, you know, don't make possession plays reviewable
Speaker 1: because because they are subjective catch, no catch, things like that,
Speaker 1: but they happened so often there's so they're so impactful
Speaker 1: that the committee ultimately felt, hey, we gotta review these plays.
Speaker 1: But you go back, you know, if if a ruling
Speaker 1: on the field initial in the initial rule, if the
Speaker 1: ruling on the field was an incomplete pass wasn't reviewable,
Speaker 1: you couldn't make it a fumble. And then obviously plays
Speaker 1: happened where they were fumbles, then it was okay, you
Speaker 1: have to have a clear recovery. So so that that's
Speaker 1: how the rule evolved over time. And now we're looking
Speaker 1: at these subjective things and uh, and we're gonna get
Speaker 1: into a little bit later the the king of all subjectivity,
Speaker 1: past interferance, which is now reviewable, which we're debating every week.
Speaker 1: And uh and quite frankly, you know, I felt like
Speaker 1: I struggled this weekend with that. And we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that in a in a little bit. But um, and
Speaker 1: we go back to do we go back to the
Speaker 1: McCaffrey play. Another thing that I saw on that I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you is in in that play, you
Speaker 1: see the offensive lineman kind of grab ahold of him
Speaker 1: and try to pull him towards the goal line. Is
Speaker 1: that allowed? Well, the rule, the rule states, just the
Speaker 1: rule states, you can push, but you can't pull a
Speaker 1: teammate at the ball, carry a teammate can't pull the ball,
Speaker 1: carry and help him advance um the football. That I
Speaker 1: can't remember the last time that was called. There was
Speaker 1: another one in in the Cowboy's Giants game of Monday
Speaker 1: Night that looked very similar. We've seen, yeah, we've seen.
Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of examples where yeah, by the
Speaker 1: letter of the law, by the letter of the rule,
Speaker 1: you could you could certainly call it and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: look he grabbed me, pulled him, He pulled him. Typically
Speaker 1: you see it at the goal line, you know, or
Speaker 1: the line of the game, when you have those big piles.
Speaker 1: But again, it's so when you have when you have
Speaker 1: the pile of players and the offenses pushing and the
Speaker 1: defense is pushing, and you have that big pile, it's
Speaker 1: really difficult for an official to see that and to say,
Speaker 1: you know, was was he truly grabbing him and pulling him.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that call made, and probably I think
Speaker 1: the last time it was called maybe in the eighties.
Speaker 1: And and we're going back, we we probably have some
Speaker 1: people listening that weren't even you know, don't even know
Speaker 1: what the eighties were. Um. But but the thing is,
Speaker 1: it's in the rule book. It's one of those rules
Speaker 1: that you very rarely like. Like we said, it's it's
Speaker 1: very rarely applied. And uh and I think again at
Speaker 1: that point, it's survival of the fittest. I have a
Speaker 1: question about that play two Dan. So we looked at
Speaker 1: the second camera angle the long shot down the goal line,
Speaker 1: and it was being blocked by a couple of the
Speaker 1: white outs. Do coaches ever coach, hey, get out of
Speaker 1: the way. Move. Do you think that that's something I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that. I don't think it
Speaker 1: goes that deep. I really don't. I think you have
Speaker 1: you have players that are just whatever their assignment is,
Speaker 1: whether you know their receivers are running around or they're blocking.
Speaker 1: I don't think it goes that deep. You do, you
Speaker 1: do sometimes see you see the camera the officials actually
Speaker 1: in great position because the officials on the goal line
Speaker 1: and they end up blocking the camera. And and so
Speaker 1: depending on how high the camera is and can you
Speaker 1: get that look and and this is a discussion that
Speaker 1: has happened for many years. You know, should the league?
Speaker 1: Should the league install fixed cameras at every stadium question?
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, so, or what about like a sensor
Speaker 1: in the ball and on the goal line. You've talked
Speaker 1: about that and a sensor in the ball. Look, I
Speaker 1: think that works for that works for sports like soccer
Speaker 1: because there's no there's no third variable like the need
Speaker 1: right exactly so and soccer it's the ball and the
Speaker 1: line and then so we we can tell that the
Speaker 1: ball across the line, you know, with the sensors or
Speaker 1: whatever that technology is. But with the football, we could, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there there's location technology, there's there's there's trackers in in
Speaker 1: in you know, the players are wearing gps that they
Speaker 1: can track, you know, and all this next she and
Speaker 1: stat stuff and how fast they run and and and
Speaker 1: the distance and things like that, and and the league
Speaker 1: has experimented with chips in the football's to show in
Speaker 1: terms of distance traveled and speed and on all those things.
Speaker 1: But again, you could locate the football, but can you
Speaker 1: locate it and know when, at what moment in time
Speaker 1: is the play over? You know, when is the knee down,
Speaker 1: when is the elbow down? So there's an added variable
Speaker 1: that makes it that much more complicated. And and I look,
Speaker 1: technology is changing every day, and it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: Joe tells us every day how amazing his tesla is
Speaker 1: and all the technology and how it's you know, it
Speaker 1: literally it literally you know, it drives him to work
Speaker 1: and it does all these things and it reminds him
Speaker 1: to pick up his dry cleaning. All this amazing technological advancements.
Speaker 1: And uh so we'll get there someday, I think. But
Speaker 1: but again, right now, it's, uh, it's not feasible to
Speaker 1: implement that technology and to and to efficiently implement it
Speaker 1: and apply it. So but it's definitely an interesting and
Speaker 1: interesting topic that will be. That's definitely that people are
Speaker 1: always asking me. And I was like, I'll asking that's
Speaker 1: a good one. Yeah, that is a good one. Travis. Um.
Speaker 1: I just imagine Travis like walking around he's at the
Speaker 1: you know, he's a trainer trader Joe's or the farmer's market.
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, you know, I'm on this podcast and
Speaker 1: and deficiating and rules. Oh really, you know what, Travis,
Speaker 1: could you ask this question? And I've always wondered this,
Speaker 1: you know, while they're looking at, you know, cantalopes. But
Speaker 1: so let's go, let's shift gears a little bit. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about Detroit Chicago. This was an interesting and interesting
Speaker 1: scenari at the end of the game. And we always
Speaker 1: talk about we talk about the two minute drill. We
Speaker 1: talk about hurry up offense ball mechanics, and this was
Speaker 1: a play where Detroit is down, they're out of time
Speaker 1: outs that they were inside of twenty seconds and and
Speaker 1: Kenny Golladay catches a pass. He's hit, his progress is
Speaker 1: stopped at it looks like you probably could be the
Speaker 1: twenty six, maybe the twenty seven yard line, but their
Speaker 1: sixteen seconds left at the end of the down. He
Speaker 1: gets up and he runs the ball into the hash
Speaker 1: and he puts the ball down on the Now he
Speaker 1: even being generous, we give him the twenty six with
Speaker 1: progress probably closer to but he puts the ball down
Speaker 1: on The umpire is going to spot the football most
Speaker 1: of the time in that hurry up. The umpire comes down,
Speaker 1: the center actually picks up the football and hands it
Speaker 1: to the umpire. The umpire does look mechanically. What has
Speaker 1: to happen is the umpire should look to the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage official, the wing official to get the spot,
Speaker 1: and the umpire does look, but it happened so quickly
Speaker 1: that he just puts the ball down almost just shy
Speaker 1: the so gave the lines a little bit of of
Speaker 1: room there. But again mechanically, and what the umpire actually
Speaker 1: does is and they're taught to do this if time
Speaker 1: is of the essence and you can't get back into
Speaker 1: the offensive backfield because their normal position is in the
Speaker 1: offensive backfield opposite the referee, probably tend to twelve yards deep.
Speaker 1: The umpire in this situation actually went to the old
Speaker 1: spot in the defensive backfield because anticipating a spike play,
Speaker 1: you want to get out of the way, get out
Speaker 1: of the operation, don't don't interrupt the operation of the
Speaker 1: snap and get out of the way. So he went
Speaker 1: to he went to the defensive backfield, but again he
Speaker 1: did look, but he really didn't put the ball in
Speaker 1: the right spot. And and look, it's really easy for
Speaker 1: us to look at this on tape and watch it
Speaker 1: there in the moment. It's a fire drill. That's the
Speaker 1: that's where officials, you know, everyone earns their money. There
Speaker 1: where no time outs. Offenses rushing to the line. He's
Speaker 1: got to look see the spot, put the ball down,
Speaker 1: get out of the way. They're gonna snap it. I think,
Speaker 1: gotta make sure everybody gets set spike it. It's such
Speaker 1: a hectic situation. But again that's what that's what the
Speaker 1: mechanics are, and so him going into the defensive backfield
Speaker 1: is okay in that instance. But what we would talk
Speaker 1: to players about and coaches about is, especially when a
Speaker 1: ball is when the ball is dead outside the hash
Speaker 1: or outside the numbers right, you want to you want
Speaker 1: that receiver, that ball carrier to look for an official
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be typically the umpire look for an official.
Speaker 1: Don't throw the ball to the to the sideline. Don't
Speaker 1: throw the ball to the official on the sideline, because
Speaker 1: now you throw the ball to that official, that official
Speaker 1: if they catch it, if they have good hands, and
Speaker 1: not every official has good hands. If they have good hands,
Speaker 1: they're gonna throw that ball back into the middle of
Speaker 1: the field or have to it to the umpire. So
Speaker 1: you're gonna waste time. So what Gold they did was smart.
Speaker 1: He ran it to the hash because that's where the
Speaker 1: umpire met him. But he's got a hand the ball.
Speaker 1: He should hand the ball to the umpire, don't put
Speaker 1: it down. Hand the ball to the umpire and uh
Speaker 1: and if the umpire is not there, his last resort
Speaker 1: put the ball down. But again, don't throw the ball
Speaker 1: out to the boundary, move it into the hash and
Speaker 1: uh and that will be the quickest and most efficient
Speaker 1: way to get the ball spotted, because they gotta get
Speaker 1: lined up. Because in that situation, if the if the
Speaker 1: Lions don't get lined up and everybody gets set for
Speaker 1: first second and they snapped the ball, guess what we
Speaker 1: got a false start ten second runoff. Lions fans don't
Speaker 1: want to be reminded of that rule and uh. And
Speaker 1: in that instance, probably with the ball down, there was
Speaker 1: about nine seconds ten nine seconds, game over. And you know,
Speaker 1: as it stood, Chicago did hold on and and the
Speaker 1: yard yard and a half didn't. It wasn't of consequence,
Speaker 1: but it could have been. Who knows, if that's the
Speaker 1: line the game and they give him a first down.
Speaker 1: All of those things happened, but it happened so quick.
Speaker 1: When I saw that, I just laughed, because it's like
Speaker 1: some most old schoolyard stuff, like you're out on the
Speaker 1: playground and you're like, oh no, no, I'm down here
Speaker 1: years back. So if if the referees, can they get
Speaker 1: involved there and say and and just they don't need
Speaker 1: to like go to replay necessarily, but can they just
Speaker 1: say no, no, I'm gonna look see where that the
Speaker 1: guy is, stop the clock for a second, get it
Speaker 1: on the ready they placed it at the right spot,
Speaker 1: and then go That's a good question because look with
Speaker 1: with ten nine eight seven Sexons, the last thing you
Speaker 1: want to do as a cruise stop the clock because
Speaker 1: now you've given. Now you've given the Lions, and again
Speaker 1: Lions fans are not gonna want to you know, because
Speaker 1: they they're gonna sit there and go, hey, we need
Speaker 1: one you we've break in in in in this instance.
Speaker 1: But the last thing you want to do is stop
Speaker 1: the clock because now you've stopped the game. It's a
Speaker 1: time out basically, and that's a real advantage, especially for
Speaker 1: the offense trying to get lined up. So the last thing,
Speaker 1: and I think look that they did the best they could.
Speaker 1: You wish that the umpire when he looked if we
Speaker 1: I can't I haven't seen the all twenty two. I
Speaker 1: don't know where the line of scrimmage Official was you know,
Speaker 1: maybe he maybe he missed the spot, maybe he was
Speaker 1: at I don't know, but he should look up and
Speaker 1: see where that spot is and put the ball down.
Speaker 1: But again, in that hurry up, the last thing you
Speaker 1: want to do is stop the clock. I mean that
Speaker 1: they're they're taught to. You know, you're taught even on
Speaker 1: line of games. If the line of game is in question,
Speaker 1: rule on it, make it a first down or not.
Speaker 1: Don't stop the game unless you absolutely have to, because
Speaker 1: you are creating a time out in a situation that
Speaker 1: can be a huge advantage for a team. So we
Speaker 1: should have a class. Maybe u c l A. R
Speaker 1: USC wants to to offer a class where Dean Blandino
Speaker 1: teaches the rules of football. Hey, I think they'd be great.
Speaker 1: So who's getting a call from river on tomorrow. What
Speaker 1: do you mean which where he missed spotted the ball? Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's something that the crew will go over.
Speaker 1: I think the crew will talk about that. Look, every
Speaker 1: crew when their game is over, depending on if if officials,
Speaker 1: if officials can get out that that night, they'll tend
Speaker 1: to get out that, you know, get to the airport.
Speaker 1: If they're staying over, they'll meet as a crew at
Speaker 1: the hotel and they'll go through the game. Um, if
Speaker 1: they don't stay over, each official has a copy of
Speaker 1: the game. They leave the game, they're reviewing it on
Speaker 1: the plane home. However, they're getting home, they're looking at it.
Speaker 1: So so I think the crew is gonna gonna review that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure the office, our river n a supervisor, somebody
Speaker 1: will talk to the to the crew, the umpire just about, hey,
Speaker 1: what happened, what was you know, mechanically, here's here's what
Speaker 1: we saw. Give us your you know, give us your
Speaker 1: take on what happened, and they'll just talk through it.
Speaker 1: And again that's something that officials drill. That two minute,
Speaker 1: that two minute hurry up is such a it's such
Speaker 1: a hectic, hectic situation. That's something they would get downgraded on. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, mechanically, I don't think it looks it looks
Speaker 1: bad like like in a vacuum. You know, you want
Speaker 1: to go, oh my god, he god, they ran and
Speaker 1: gave himself two yards. But when you take a factor
Speaker 1: in into everything that has to happen there and the
Speaker 1: pressure and and really what the umpire what he's focusing
Speaker 1: on is I need to get the football down and
Speaker 1: I need to get the heck out of the way,
Speaker 1: and then I have to you know, they're gonna you're
Speaker 1: you're anticipating a spike play, but you gotta make sure, Hey,
Speaker 1: does the does the center snap at clean? Is there
Speaker 1: a false start? All of these things and literally the
Speaker 1: plans at sixteen seconds and he has the ball putting
Speaker 1: it down at ten seconds. It's not a lot of
Speaker 1: time with everything that's happening, and so I wouldn't I
Speaker 1: wouldn't downgrade officials for that. But it's definitely a learning
Speaker 1: it's a learning experience. It's it's definitely a play that
Speaker 1: you can learn from and talk about and show for
Speaker 1: other crews to talk about what what we would do
Speaker 1: in this situation and how we can, you know, be
Speaker 1: more efficient or just make it cleaner the next time. So,
Speaker 1: but it's an interesting play, but that's one social media
Speaker 1: and everyone was gonna take that little snapshot and send
Speaker 1: it around and go. I feel like the the officials
Speaker 1: are like more pressure because it's the lions, Like, all right,
Speaker 1: these guys have already had it rough enough, you know
Speaker 1: they don't. I don't think the officials think that, But
Speaker 1: there's so much pressure. There's so much pressure on in
Speaker 1: every game. But I think we'll talk about that later
Speaker 1: with the pressure and everything. We're definitely gonna talk about that.
Speaker 1: We're definitely gonna talk about that. But hey, let's take
Speaker 1: a break. When we come back. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: everybody's favorite subject. We got another Hall of Fame quarterback tweeting,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about past inference review next on
Speaker 1: good Calls. All right, welcome back. Let's uh, let's continue
Speaker 1: the discussion, talk a little past the Freanture review and
Speaker 1: and this is becoming, you know, kind of a thing.
Speaker 1: This year two thou nineteen is the is the year
Speaker 1: of the Hall of Fame, the current Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: quarterback or the future Hall of Fame quarterback tweeting about
Speaker 1: something that happened. This was Monday Night football on not
Speaker 1: Thursday night. Monday Night. John It's Cowboys, uh. Our colleague
Speaker 1: at Fox Sports, Troy Aikman tweeted during the game, Travis Troy.
Speaker 1: I have to say, Troy said, Harley has a lot
Speaker 1: to address this offseason. Is consumer confidence continues to wane.
Speaker 1: And ye know that that's a pretty those are pretty strong.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty strong sentiment from somebody that is obviously
Speaker 1: so well respected in the NFL Hall of Famer and
Speaker 1: and still obviously has a big presence with the game,
Speaker 1: you know, being the lead analyst, uh for for us
Speaker 1: at Fox on NFL coverage, and and really I think
Speaker 1: that I think the driver behind Troy's tweet was probably
Speaker 1: a combination of things, but it was you know, there
Speaker 1: was a play in the game where where the it
Speaker 1: was I think it was Shadobe a woozy who played
Speaker 1: through Evan Ingram's back, and Pat Sherman, who has not
Speaker 1: had good luck with these past in afferance reviews, because
Speaker 1: I think he's had a couple that looked looked clear
Speaker 1: that he didn't get overturned. You know, Pat throws the flag,
Speaker 1: the call in the field stands, and it looked to
Speaker 1: me like like a woozy was playing through Ingram's back,
Speaker 1: and that was past infuriance. And then a couple of
Speaker 1: days later you get DeAndre Baker, the defensive back for
Speaker 1: the Giants, the rookie um he gets called for past inference,
Speaker 1: a pretty big you know penalty I think it was
Speaker 1: yards and it looked like minimal contacts. So so there's
Speaker 1: frustration there and this was this was there was an
Speaker 1: article Travis that you shared with me that Kevin Seafort
Speaker 1: from ESPN, you know, and he talked to He talked
Speaker 1: to John Parry, who is a former referee that is
Speaker 1: now doing rules analysis for free ESPN. He talked to
Speaker 1: Glenn Johnson, who was the the former vice president officiating
Speaker 1: for the Canadian Football League and the CFL actually has
Speaker 1: been reviewing past inference for several years and and and
Speaker 1: Glenn talked about the growing pains and how how really
Speaker 1: how tough it was the first couple of years for them,
Speaker 1: and and the impact and John Parry talked about this
Speaker 1: as well, the impact that the review process has had
Speaker 1: on the on field official. And we talked about this
Speaker 1: earlier in the season, and this was a concern and
Speaker 1: I talked to my prayer about this, and we had
Speaker 1: the same concern is that we've created different standards. There's
Speaker 1: an on field standard for past interference and that cannot change.
Speaker 1: The rule is written for the on field officials to
Speaker 1: make decisions in real time, and so they're making their
Speaker 1: decision and now they're seeing calls go to review and
Speaker 1: and some that look like clear cut past inference that
Speaker 1: are not getting overturned. So if I'm an official, I'm going, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're not overturning that. I don't need to call that, right,
Speaker 1: or I'm or I'm calling something and then I see
Speaker 1: it overturned and and so there's this this standard of
Speaker 1: on the field. Then there's a standard of of in
Speaker 1: replay what is clear and obvious enough to overturn. And
Speaker 1: then there's a standard inside of two minutes. Where we
Speaker 1: saw two plays on Sunday, the last play of the
Speaker 1: Arizona Tampa game where where Arizona is behind Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: throws a pass and it looked like there was contact
Speaker 1: before the ball arrived, potentially through the back, no flag.
Speaker 1: And then you had a fourth down play in the
Speaker 1: Rams Steelers game where it looked like there was past
Speaker 1: inference in the end zone or at least contact that
Speaker 1: might have been pasting inference not playing the ball. And
Speaker 1: I think in both of those and I feel, and
Speaker 1: I feel pretty strongly in this statement. I feel like
Speaker 1: in both of those plays, if the flag was thrown,
Speaker 1: the call would not be overturned and replay. But since
Speaker 1: the flag wasn't thrown, the call is not being created
Speaker 1: and replace. So you have two standards, and some people say, look,
Speaker 1: it's either past inference or it isn't. And that's when
Speaker 1: you start reviewing subjective calls. You create these different levels,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what's affecting. It's affecting people that
Speaker 1: are watching the game. Like Troy said, you know, the
Speaker 1: consumer confidence, and I think it's starting to it's starting
Speaker 1: to to kind of seep into the official on the
Speaker 1: field and their psyche as to they're seeing these decisions
Speaker 1: being made in replay. You always, always, always try to
Speaker 1: tell the officials, look, don't worry about replay. Call the game.
Speaker 1: Replay will come in and fix something that needs to
Speaker 1: be fixed. Would you call the game. I think it's
Speaker 1: getting really hard to separate those two when you talk
Speaker 1: about these subjective calls, you know, And there's even there
Speaker 1: was even a place Sunday night where where Marie Cooper
Speaker 1: it was I think the Cowboys third touchdown where it
Speaker 1: looked like he made an unbelievable catch control two feet down,
Speaker 1: but look like he pushed off. The Vikings were complaining
Speaker 1: automatic automatic review score and play not stopped. And again
Speaker 1: I think that's a play where if the flag is down,
Speaker 1: it doesn't get overturned in replay. I think they stay
Speaker 1: with past an affairance offensive passengers, but they don't create
Speaker 1: it and replay again. Another example, different standards. You think
Speaker 1: it's getting to the confidence of the guys and replay too,
Speaker 1: that they're like, I'm not gonna call this one down
Speaker 1: or yeah, you know that the standard has been what
Speaker 1: they've done, what they've told the replay officials. If you
Speaker 1: can't see it on the line feed, which is the
Speaker 1: live shot, if it doesn't jump out on the line feed,
Speaker 1: then you're not going to stop the game to review it.
Speaker 1: And uh, you've always said you don't want to create
Speaker 1: it in yeah, and and so and again it comes
Speaker 1: back to on Sunday night football, you might have a
Speaker 1: very good camera and go right away that shows contact.
Speaker 1: And then on Sunday afternoon football you might not have
Speaker 1: that look and you might just have the live shot.
Speaker 1: And so again it's a it's a different standard. And
Speaker 1: and I think the Competition Committee and that's why they
Speaker 1: were so hesitant to change this rule, Why it took
Speaker 1: several years, why it took a a what look a
Speaker 1: catastrophic mistake in the NFC Championship game to get this
Speaker 1: rule passed. But but I don't think that this was
Speaker 1: even I don't even think the coaches were on board
Speaker 1: with this when it was passed. I think the coaches
Speaker 1: wanted to go more to a video official sky judge concept.
Speaker 1: And uh and and I think this is something. Look,
Speaker 1: we're only we're almost done with Week ten. We had
Speaker 1: going into the week, we had sixty two reviews, nine
Speaker 1: were overturned. That's a very low percentage. And uh and
Speaker 1: so far through we you know the game so far
Speaker 1: in week ten there were two reviews, one was overturned. Um,
Speaker 1: I just this is gonna be really interesting how this
Speaker 1: plays out the rest of the way. Dee, Do I
Speaker 1: know that the officials all traveled together like their their crew, right?
Speaker 1: Is the replay official included in that crew? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: the replay official is part of the crew. You have.
Speaker 1: You have seven officials on the field that travel together.
Speaker 1: You have a replay official and a replay assistant that
Speaker 1: are attached to that crew. So there's so there's really
Speaker 1: nine people that are traveling together weekend in week out.
Speaker 1: Now there are changes throughout the season schedule, conflicts, injuries, whatever,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, that that nine person crew
Speaker 1: is gonna work together, and you want to build that continuity.
Speaker 1: We've had this conversation about the postseason, right They this
Speaker 1: all star crew concept where they break up the cruise
Speaker 1: going into the postseason. We'll have a whole discussion about
Speaker 1: that once we get to the postseason. But that crew
Speaker 1: continuity is really important, and that communication between replay official
Speaker 1: the referee. But with New York involved in the folks
Speaker 1: in New York, um, that's an it's an added layer.
Speaker 1: I think that that could play into it. You and
Speaker 1: I are friends with you know, you can travel around
Speaker 1: the country, you work with people. The last thing I
Speaker 1: want is you've given me giving me stuff one night. Hey,
Speaker 1: you know you overturned that p I call, and I
Speaker 1: really don't think you should have. You think that that
Speaker 1: plays into it at all? You know, no, I think
Speaker 1: I think initially when replay came back, I think there
Speaker 1: was trepidation on the on field officials with you know,
Speaker 1: now you have somebody overlooking me immediately, and and and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one of my colleagues, it's gonna overturn it.
Speaker 1: I think the officials on the field want to get
Speaker 1: it right and and they're not concerned about that. Nobody.
Speaker 1: Nobody likes that when they're imagine every decision you make
Speaker 1: if somebody immediately comes up to you and says thumbs
Speaker 1: up or thumbs down, right, like nobody would like a
Speaker 1: thumbs down. But but I just think, yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can talk about Twitter cheeze. But I don't think
Speaker 1: that that. I think the officials want to get it right,
Speaker 1: and I just think the standard is really the different
Speaker 1: standards is the real issue. And it's it's nobody's fault.
Speaker 1: It's just that when you make these plays, the subjective
Speaker 1: calls reviewable. What you can see with the human I
Speaker 1: can see in real time is different than what we
Speaker 1: can see with technology and slow motion and multiple camera angles.
Speaker 1: And that's it. And look, and I'll be honest, I struggled.
Speaker 1: I felt like I struggled this weekend. I felt like
Speaker 1: I struggled a little bit on Saturday with some targeting
Speaker 1: and that's subjective, and then you're trying to explain those
Speaker 1: things I thought I struggled with just trying to I
Speaker 1: feel like my role during the game, I don't like
Speaker 1: people want to what's your opinion, right, my Well, guess
Speaker 1: what I can give my opinion all day, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: And I have a I have an opinion on every
Speaker 1: play that that's that's not I'm I have an opinion
Speaker 1: on every play. But I have to try to explain
Speaker 1: the rule. Here's what the officials are looking at. Here
Speaker 1: are the factors that go into the decision. That's that's
Speaker 1: the first priority. Okay, how are they gonna, what are
Speaker 1: they gonna What are they gonna look at to make
Speaker 1: their decision? Then break that down and then give an
Speaker 1: opinion on Okay, I think it's a pass or I
Speaker 1: think this and guess what. Sometimes my opinion is going
Speaker 1: to be different than the replay officials or different than
Speaker 1: the people in New York. That's just part of it.
Speaker 1: But again, when it's so subjective, you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: I feel like I struggled a little bit just trying
Speaker 1: to explain things and trying to keep it clear for
Speaker 1: the people watching as to what goes into these decisions.
Speaker 1: And uh, and I think it's just part of you know,
Speaker 1: it's part of the evolution of as the game changes,
Speaker 1: as rules changes, as we all try to get better.
Speaker 1: And that's something you know that I'll continue to work
Speaker 1: on going forward. Um shifting gears a little. I mean,
Speaker 1: thanks guys for for saying that, Hey, you did appreciate it. Thanks. Okay,
Speaker 1: So anyway, I didn't feel like I had to solicit that,
Speaker 1: but I'm great. Um So two plays, this was interesting.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some rules for a second. There were
Speaker 1: two plays, um where coaches through the red flag when
Speaker 1: they weren't allowed to and and and so they got
Speaker 1: charged time outs. And the first one was was Tampa.
Speaker 1: In that in that Arizona Tampa game where Bruce arians
Speaker 1: he was out of challenges. He he challenged to play
Speaker 1: early in the game, won it on a on a
Speaker 1: play that was ruled to catch and down and it
Speaker 1: was actually a fumble. And then he challenged a past
Speaker 1: interference that he probably shouldn't have challenged because I didn't
Speaker 1: think there was any way he was winning that challenge.
Speaker 1: And why these why some some coaches have been upset
Speaker 1: about the the impossibly high standards, because I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: risking challenges that I may need later in the game
Speaker 1: in time out. So he loses the second challenge. Now
Speaker 1: he's done for the game. And and as luck would
Speaker 1: have it, you have a play a little bit later
Speaker 1: where Kyler Murray is is is being tackled. He throws
Speaker 1: the pass. They rule pass he's actually down and Tampa
Speaker 1: can't challenge. So Bruce, who's emotional lot of times, he
Speaker 1: throws the red flag. Now you can't challenge that because
Speaker 1: you're out of challenges. So it's a time out. If
Speaker 1: you don't have a time out, it's a fifteen yard penalty.
Speaker 1: This goes back to This is called the Jim Schwartz rule.
Speaker 1: This goes back to two thousand twelve Thanksgiving Day Houston,
Speaker 1: Detroit where Justin for Sett is down, but he gets
Speaker 1: back up, runs for a touchdown. The officials miss him
Speaker 1: being down. Schwartz emotional challenge, sees him down, throws the flag.
Speaker 1: At that time it was a fifteen yard penalty, and
Speaker 1: then you couldn't review the play. You couldn't review the place,
Speaker 1: so the touchdown stood when it was clearly down. And
Speaker 1: on top of that, and this is why Lions fans
Speaker 1: are so jaded is because that rule was just That
Speaker 1: rule was so That rule was so I'm gonna use
Speaker 1: a big word here, Joe, that rule was so draconian
Speaker 1: in terms of in term, look it up. I'll take
Speaker 1: his disrespect. So we were quoting forty or virgin um.
Speaker 1: So that rule was so that penalty was so bad
Speaker 1: We've we talked about after we said, no way, we
Speaker 1: have to be able to review it. We changed the
Speaker 1: rule after that where it's gonna be a charge time
Speaker 1: out if you have a time out. If you don't
Speaker 1: have the time out fifteen but you still have to
Speaker 1: be able to review the play. If you don't have
Speaker 1: any timeouts left, is it then if you don't have
Speaker 1: any timeoutse left, then it's a fifteen yard penalty. UM.
Speaker 1: So that was the one situation. Then Sean McVeigh, and
Speaker 1: this is this I can understand because this is a
Speaker 1: new rule. There was an interception that was negated by
Speaker 1: a penalty and uh and Sean McVeigh because it was
Speaker 1: outside two minutes through the challenge flag. But the new
Speaker 1: rule this year is even if the turnover is negated
Speaker 1: by a penalty, the turnover basically triggers the automatic review
Speaker 1: and and so he was not allowed to challenge that play.
Speaker 1: He threw the flag, so he was charged a time out.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting, you know the rules and the breakdown
Speaker 1: and and just the evolution of those rules. But I
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing is you don't want coaches because
Speaker 1: you don't want coaches throwing red flags when they're not
Speaker 1: entitled to. The big one is inside two minutes, because
Speaker 1: the coach could throw off a challenge flag inside two minutes,
Speaker 1: get the get the play stopped and go oh, I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that was not revealable. And now he you know,
Speaker 1: he gets to change his defense. He got a time
Speaker 1: out for his offense. And that's why you have those
Speaker 1: rules in place. Um, but you know, I think the
Speaker 1: one I think Bruce. I think Bruce knew the rule.
Speaker 1: It was just emotional. I think Shawn would have been
Speaker 1: a little a little more understandable because it is a
Speaker 1: new rule. And I think normally when that play did
Speaker 1: not ultimately result in a turnover, that the coach can
Speaker 1: still challenge outside two minutes. I feel like Bruce's he
Speaker 1: might be a premature challenger. I feel like we're constantly
Speaker 1: we get a lot of flags from him. He's been,
Speaker 1: but he's been. You should let him know. I'm available
Speaker 1: for work. For work, No, but he's got a guy,
Speaker 1: he's he was tearing it up. He won a couple
Speaker 1: of challenges. I feel like they're they've been doing a
Speaker 1: good job. Um, you know, I just think that that
Speaker 1: was one that past inference that he challenged. I don't
Speaker 1: think I think it was his dB and Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 1: I thought the dB grabbed Fitzgerald's arm on the inside. Again.
Speaker 1: Is it? You know, is it the Is it the
Speaker 1: biggest past inference in the world. No, But you gotta
Speaker 1: understand as a coach right now, really any kind of
Speaker 1: contact they've stayed away from, overturned those calls and and
Speaker 1: and that's kind of where the standard is. And he
Speaker 1: should have kept that flag in his pocket. And uh,
Speaker 1: and you know, and he knows, he'll he'll be be
Speaker 1: the first one to tell you that, um, you know,
Speaker 1: with a couple of f bombs, but that he shouldn't
Speaker 1: have flagged. He should have thrown the flag. So all right,
Speaker 1: but let's uh, let's take a break and uh we'll
Speaker 1: come back. We'll talk college football, We'll talk a little
Speaker 1: uh some stuff that happened in the cube this weekend,
Speaker 1: go inside the brain of blindno and maybe uh, maybe
Speaker 1: settle a rule, have a rules discussion about supermarkets next.
Speaker 1: I'm good calls, welcome back, good calls, and talked NFL.
Speaker 1: Let's talk college football. Let's let's do a quick, real
Speaker 1: quick CFP rankings. None of us, Joe think so I
Speaker 1: was nobody was right. We all had our four teams.
Speaker 1: Nobody got all four. Joe did have the number one
Speaker 1: team in the country. But I think we all all
Speaker 1: missed out on Penn State. But I don't think Penn
Speaker 1: State is going to be a factor this week because
Speaker 1: they lost to Minnesota. Wrote the boat p J. Fleck.
Speaker 1: But who's your top four, Joe? Who you got? Ohio State,
Speaker 1: L s U, Clemson, Georgia Bulldogs. Okay, Travis, I'm going
Speaker 1: to Ohio State. I saw what they did last last time,
Speaker 1: and I won't go with my heart and say because
Speaker 1: of the champions they should be a one like I
Speaker 1: did last week. But what I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: this week Ohio State, L s U, Clemson. I think
Speaker 1: Bama stays in there for oh Okay, so I think
Speaker 1: we're all gonna be different. I've got I've got L
Speaker 1: s U one. I mean the big win. Ohio State
Speaker 1: beat Maryland, UM scored like a million, L s U
Speaker 1: beat beat Alabama. So I think I got L s U,
Speaker 1: how State Clemson, And then I agree with Travis. I
Speaker 1: don't think Bama drops out of the top four. I
Speaker 1: think they stay close game to you know, not number
Speaker 1: two verse number three. I think they stayed Number four.
Speaker 1: In Georgia, I think is five. But okay, let's go
Speaker 1: to that game L S L s Obama, And the
Speaker 1: most talked about play from that game from an at
Speaker 1: least officiating standpoint was Dadius Moss's catch um in the
Speaker 1: in the second quarter, near the end of the half,
Speaker 1: down near the goal line, and it was it's really
Speaker 1: a it's a complicated play and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I wish that that the announcement would have been a
Speaker 1: little bit and I'm not gonna say better, but I
Speaker 1: think some more information would have been would have been
Speaker 1: helpful because the ruling out of field was was a
Speaker 1: catch and what ultimately went to review and the ruling
Speaker 1: on the field was not changed. They stayed with a catch,
Speaker 1: and there was just a lot of discussion as to
Speaker 1: why was that a catch because Moss stepped out of
Speaker 1: bounds re established and was the first to touch. Well,
Speaker 1: what they ruled on the field, they ruled that he
Speaker 1: was forced out of bounds. So in college, if the
Speaker 1: player's fourth the receiver's forced out of bounds, then he
Speaker 1: can come back in re established with a body part
Speaker 1: and be the first to touch. So that's what they ruled.
Speaker 1: There was contact by the defender that the contact is
Speaker 1: not reviewable, but whether he re establishes and whether he
Speaker 1: catches the past is And he did reestablish and he
Speaker 1: did appear to catch the past, but the contact would
Speaker 1: not be reviewable. So that's what they ruled. On the field.
Speaker 1: It was people were questioning that because they people that
Speaker 1: understand the mechanics. And the official didn't drow his hat
Speaker 1: and and we talked about this, I think last week
Speaker 1: when when official as a player out of bounds, he's
Speaker 1: gonna throw his hat and he didn't throw his hat.
Speaker 1: But there was a discussion on the field. There was
Speaker 1: a discussion with the replay official and what they ruled
Speaker 1: was that he was forced out. So so that's what
Speaker 1: that's what took place. That's why that call was not
Speaker 1: was not overturned. Interesting side note about Thadius Moss. Who's
Speaker 1: Thadius Moss's dad. So Randy Moss is good dude. He
Speaker 1: worked with us at Fox Sports and it was at
Speaker 1: one of our seminars and he told a story that
Speaker 1: I every time I think of it, I could I laughing.
Speaker 1: And so Randy is a big fisherman. Randy is is
Speaker 1: from West Virginia, I believe, and he's a big fisherman.
Speaker 1: And and so he was telling the story that he
Speaker 1: was watching this this special on like Discovery, and it
Speaker 1: was about the Megalodon. Now, the Megalodon is the prehistoric
Speaker 1: shark that was supposedly you know, there was a movie
Speaker 1: the meg with Jason Stathon, which was ridiculous by the way, Um,
Speaker 1: like I watched it, I loved it, but it was
Speaker 1: ridiculous the stuff that that Jason Stathon did in that movie.
Speaker 1: But Megaldon is a prettiest dark shark you could go
Speaker 1: to fifty sixty feet. And so the way Discovery Channel,
Speaker 1: I believe, did this documentary, they did it like these
Speaker 1: these marine biologists were actually really looking for the Megalodon
Speaker 1: and they found the megalodon off the coast, off the
Speaker 1: coast of of South Carolina. And and so if you're
Speaker 1: watching this, they did it to where it was almost
Speaker 1: like it was real. So Randy telling the story that
Speaker 1: he's watching this and he thought that the Megalodon was real,
Speaker 1: and he didn't go fishing for like a month, like
Speaker 1: in the he wouldn't go in the ocean because he
Speaker 1: thought the megalodon was in the ocean. I think I
Speaker 1: think one of his friends was finally like, you know,
Speaker 1: that's not that's that's extinct, right, And and so I
Speaker 1: was crying because I watched it with my son. It
Speaker 1: was hit him. I don't do it justice him telling
Speaker 1: the story is amazing, is amazing, um, but really, you know,
Speaker 1: shifting gears more serious note that we did get you know,
Speaker 1: we got word that the Pack twelve actually suspended a
Speaker 1: referee from the from the Washington State cal Game um
Speaker 1: for a misinforced penalty. And and Travis, you you you
Speaker 1: saw the kind of the release. What what was kind
Speaker 1: of summarizing for us. Yeah, so they just they just
Speaker 1: talked about how the play was misofficiated or poorly inficient officiated.
Speaker 1: Where the the guy got the got the return was
Speaker 1: on the kickoff Returney went and returned to the fifty.
Speaker 1: They called I think it was Hans to the face
Speaker 1: and it would have been a spot foul. So they
Speaker 1: had a spot foul at like the sixteen or something,
Speaker 1: so they took him back to the eight yard line. However,
Speaker 1: they said it was on the receiving team, but it
Speaker 1: was against the kicking team, so it should have been
Speaker 1: the ball from the fifty yards tacked on, so they
Speaker 1: would have had at the thirty five yards. So it
Speaker 1: was Washington State. Washington State was was the return team
Speaker 1: and cal was kicking off. So this went. This went
Speaker 1: against Joe's so annoyed. This went against Washington State. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was it was the hands to the face
Speaker 1: and they enforced on the wrong team. So instead of
Speaker 1: and and you think about the difference in yards, how
Speaker 1: does the coach not catch that? Well, you know it's
Speaker 1: they coach. They they enforced it on the wrong team.
Speaker 1: And look and and this this goes back to you know,
Speaker 1: the people say officials aren't held accountable. Look the Pack
Speaker 1: twelve suspended this, you know, suspended the referee. I mean
Speaker 1: that they are held accountable. And that's the other officials
Speaker 1: are downgraded and and the other officials were downgrade on
Speaker 1: the crew. And that's when when you talk about penalties
Speaker 1: and enforcements people, you know, as a supervisor as as
Speaker 1: of officiating, I always I could live with mistakes of judgment.
Speaker 1: You know, that's going to happen. And you know, things
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't tolerate were you know, miss misinforcing
Speaker 1: a penalty, misapplying a rule, um communication, you know, poor
Speaker 1: communication with a coach, with a player, those types of things.
Speaker 1: But that's a that's a significant situation the PAC twelve obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, and this is this is all part of
Speaker 1: this new transparency and being more open about issues with officiating.
Speaker 1: And they and they suspended that referee. So it you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's never Look, it's never a good thing when
Speaker 1: you have to do that, because you have you have
Speaker 1: officials that imagine going out and doing your job and
Speaker 1: now you gotta worry about you. I'm gonna get suspended.
Speaker 1: I potentially could get fired. And I know we all
Speaker 1: you know in all of our work that that that
Speaker 1: that you know, not doing a good job. We could
Speaker 1: eventually get fired. But it's just hard, it's hard to
Speaker 1: do that and uh and be under that type of scrutiny.
Speaker 1: So but but Joe, you know, Joe has a Joe
Speaker 1: has an invested interest in in the He had an
Speaker 1: invested interest in the cow Washington State game. We'll just
Speaker 1: put it that way. And UH, and the game didn't
Speaker 1: go his way some Washington state. So hey, Mike Leach,
Speaker 1: al right, so let's let's go, let's go in the
Speaker 1: cube and let's talk about you know, we spend you know,
Speaker 1: we were we were together Friday night. Uh, we were
Speaker 1: together all day Saturday and then and then on Sunday
Speaker 1: and then there's a lot of good conversations. But I
Speaker 1: think two that stood out for me, and they were
Speaker 1: both kind of NBA related, was we had the discussion imagine,
Speaker 1: imagine in the n b A if we took all
Speaker 1: the referees away and it was call your own fouls,
Speaker 1: just just who who would be the biggest who would
Speaker 1: be the biggest jackass? Like what NBA players? I think Harden,
Speaker 1: I think hard I think Harden would be dude, that's
Speaker 1: a walk and he'd be like no, and then he
Speaker 1: would come up foul like and then I was like,
Speaker 1: game point, you're gonna call that. You're you're gonna think
Speaker 1: about Tuesday night, Tuesday, pick up two and pick up one.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a shout out chick. I called one.
Speaker 1: There's four to five arguments every game, like full on,
Speaker 1: stop the game, we're gonna argue about they're huge brawls
Speaker 1: every game. But could you imagine that's where people need,
Speaker 1: we need officials, people imagine I would But although I
Speaker 1: said it, if we could have like one week or
Speaker 1: one every team place one game, I would watch those.
Speaker 1: You would would be the most watch games. Imagine calling
Speaker 1: your own fouls. How unbelievable. Just think about the last
Speaker 1: minute the game's closed. Get it. Believe every foul gets called,
Speaker 1: you get touched, be off. I would watch, just gonna say,
Speaker 1: Rob Chicken, shout out Ohio State guy. Right, we happen
Speaker 1: to have a go pro. I don't somebody brought a
Speaker 1: go pro that game. I called one foul and it
Speaker 1: I'm still hearing about it years. They were reviewing the reason. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a pickup game on Tuesday and or most of
Speaker 1: each and they gotta go pro that's number one. But
Speaker 1: but they're still talking about the foul, no foul, and
Speaker 1: oh my god, I would be amazing. I don't have
Speaker 1: to have those games. And I think he said to me,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was no foul. I think you
Speaker 1: um So then then we were talking that the Laker
Speaker 1: game was on, and I, I guess I just haven't
Speaker 1: paid enough attention I'm a Knicks fan, haven't paid enough
Speaker 1: enough attention to the Lakers. But Alex Caruso, I just
Speaker 1: I hadn't really paid much attention to him. Like he
Speaker 1: he looks like he's forty five years old. He does
Speaker 1: right there. What we thought would be a great idea
Speaker 1: is to have Alex Caruso and Hunter renfro If we
Speaker 1: had those two like on a podcast, but they could
Speaker 1: present it as like they were former professional players, like
Speaker 1: former athletes doing a podcast about their days. They're both
Speaker 1: like and and literally if you didn't know and you
Speaker 1: saw these guys on a podcast and it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: those guys were former players, Like okay, cool, let's what
Speaker 1: do they have to say? And they're literally like in
Speaker 1: the first three years of their career, second years a
Speaker 1: rookie and he and they and they're both good, like
Speaker 1: Rent Froze, like a stuff. They're both really you know,
Speaker 1: you would think you'd smoke that dude in the foot race.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Like you you would see certain professional
Speaker 1: athletes like you see them at a bar and like, dude,
Speaker 1: that guy he plays he plays for the Raiders of
Speaker 1: like shut he's three years old and he's and he
Speaker 1: and he was crushing Clemson. But I just think that
Speaker 1: it's maybe it's the hairline. But hims dot com to
Speaker 1: have to have a podcast of those two. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: let's let's go to a rule. Let's break down, and
Speaker 1: we've all been affected by this, and I think we
Speaker 1: need to we need to implement a rule. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna get the rules committee together. Supermarket, ten
Speaker 1: items are less, fifteen items are less? Okay, what is
Speaker 1: the rule? Because I know I've been online and I've
Speaker 1: seen people. Look and I'm not saying I've never broken
Speaker 1: the rule, and I'm not saying that. Look, it's like
Speaker 1: the speed limit, right wet, the speed limit will accept?
Speaker 1: What will we accept before you get a ticket? I'll speed,
Speaker 1: but I won't I won't do the things you don't like. See,
Speaker 1: Travis would never like Travis. I'll tell you this, Travis.
Speaker 1: If it's Ted Travis, if Travis is eleven, he'd go
Speaker 1: to the because he doesn't like to be made to
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable and he doesn't like when people like watch,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you have him so uncomfortable, uncomfortable. So
Speaker 1: so I'm okay, Travis, you're different. But but in general,
Speaker 1: what is the rule? I'm okay. Like to me, here's
Speaker 1: all I feel. It's it's not necessarily items. To me,
Speaker 1: it's a scam. It's not ten items, it's ten scans. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's your that's your rule book definition. I think
Speaker 1: that's six pack. Six pack is one scan. If you
Speaker 1: buy seven cucumbers that only counts as one, or if
Speaker 1: you and they have to put it down and weigh
Speaker 1: it all is one, then I'm fine. Even if you
Speaker 1: buy like four gallons of milk. I think they only
Speaker 1: scan it one time. They scan out once, they put
Speaker 1: in times four and we're good. I'm good with that.
Speaker 1: I just I'm not if if to me, I can live,
Speaker 1: my limit is if it's ten items or less. You
Speaker 1: can go to fifteen and I'll live. If you go.
Speaker 1: If you go sixteen and above, what and I won't
Speaker 1: you really like to get me fired up to say something.
Speaker 1: It really has to be a lot, But my body language,
Speaker 1: oh I will, I will sigh at you and I
Speaker 1: will roll my eyes like nobody's business. I think it's
Speaker 1: perfectly illegal. I think I think if you go, if
Speaker 1: you go, if it's ten items or less and you
Speaker 1: get to fifteen. Then the people behind you should all
Speaker 1: count everything. Everyone get seventeen, eighteen and count. I think
Speaker 1: it's also based on geography. If you're if you're in
Speaker 1: a really nice area, people generally are gonna say anything.
Speaker 1: I was. The way this came about is I was
Speaker 1: in Santa Monica, in your Dean's house. It's a nice area.
Speaker 1: Lady has one items, she went one over, keep going now, sorry,
Speaker 1: I was so frustrated, but I just crossed the arms
Speaker 1: and the arms is it? That's the start of it.
Speaker 1: It's almost im like I start huffing. It was staring
Speaker 1: through the and they know, like they know she would
Speaker 1: not look they know she wouldn't make Yes, I had
Speaker 1: two items, can you You should have been like, hey,
Speaker 1: I see that you have a few more than I can.
Speaker 1: I just jump ahead of you that I couldn't do
Speaker 1: it because she wouldn't look at me, because she knew,
Speaker 1: like I could feel, she could feel me just burning
Speaker 1: a hole through with my eyes. And we'll get into
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to like send
Speaker 1: the conversation that the rules. The rule is you getent
Speaker 1: in buffer get you get you get five anything above
Speaker 1: that And I feel like that, and I like the
Speaker 1: counter people need to police it. It's like to me,
Speaker 1: it's like a gate agent, like sir, no, you don't
Speaker 1: need extra time to board like to the back. So
Speaker 1: Santa Monica lady, you were pretty at all, but there
Speaker 1: it is no good. All right, let's uh, let's go
Speaker 1: inside the brain of Blandino de here we go. How
Speaker 1: did Matt Damon agree to Scotty doesn't know? God? Okay, yes, perfect?
Speaker 1: So this is one of to me, it's one of
Speaker 1: the most underrated comedies of all time. Euro Trip. Have
Speaker 1: you guys seen Travis Travis? Thank god? Because half the
Speaker 1: time I know the song too, But I don't think
Speaker 1: we have the right for me to sing. Can't you
Speaker 1: can sing it? We just need to know that Fiona
Speaker 1: and exactly in every week exactly So to me, like
Speaker 1: euro Trip is not it's not a a a list cast, right,
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not. And Matt Damon just has this
Speaker 1: cameo as this like grunge, punk rock, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it band. He's the lead singer and he's
Speaker 1: basically banging the main character's girlfriend, Fiona, and it's he
Speaker 1: plays he and the song like I love the song.
Speaker 1: That song is great, Like I listened to it in
Speaker 1: in in my car whatever on the phone. But who
Speaker 1: how did that happen? Like how did who was the
Speaker 1: like Caup He's like, was did Matt Ohe the director
Speaker 1: of Favor and was like, hey, Matt, what do you
Speaker 1: like the eighteenth of April? What are you doing? Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you free? You want to come and just film
Speaker 1: the scene? Like what how did Matt Damon end up
Speaker 1: in euro Trip for that that role? Explain it to me,
Speaker 1: tryal well, I can't explain it to you. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to look at the cast and crew to see who
Speaker 1: maybe would have a connection. But I don't know the
Speaker 1: best actors, like one of the best actors that we
Speaker 1: have going today, like Matt Damon, doesn't Matt Damon like that?
Speaker 1: It was all ben Affleck at Damon. They did good
Speaker 1: will hunting together. To me, Ben Ben ben Affleck can't
Speaker 1: hold a candle to Matt Damon and Matt Damon just
Speaker 1: he's got like a like a neck tattoo and he's
Speaker 1: and he's singing this punk rock song. How Travis explained
Speaker 1: to me, So that's that's your job. Before the end
Speaker 1: of the football season. You need to tell me how
Speaker 1: Matt Damon ended up playing that to start looking at
Speaker 1: alec Berg. Alec Berg though alec Berg is a big producer.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's an Alec Burke Burke connection. That could be it.
Speaker 1: That's your lead, Okay, first forty eight tracks. If you
Speaker 1: don't solve in the first forty eight the lead, that
Speaker 1: goes away, so you got it to go with it?
Speaker 1: Show is it. It's an unbelievable first forty It's amazing.
Speaker 1: If I watched the first forty eight seconds of the
Speaker 1: first forty eight episode, I'm in You're blocked in. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like lone on the SPU all right. And
Speaker 1: then lastly, I just d M of the Week. To me,
Speaker 1: this is a combination of things. This is this is
Speaker 1: somebody tweeted this at me and I I was laughing
Speaker 1: my ass off when you read it in the studio.
Speaker 1: I read it in the studio, and this was this
Speaker 1: goes out to his His name is Fred will Ponzi,
Speaker 1: and so that it's a it's a it's a play
Speaker 1: on words. It's Fred Wilpon was the GM of the Mets.
Speaker 1: The Mets, they were involved, was involved with Bernie made
Speaker 1: off Ponzi scheme. They so so it's at Wilponsi and
Speaker 1: so he he tweeted me, Dean, do you watch good
Speaker 1: Fellas or Sopranos to get this material? Now? I had
Speaker 1: tweeted a picture of um the Godmother from Base Cities,
Speaker 1: which is an Italian delhi in Santa Monica. We ordered
Speaker 1: twenty sandwiches for the crew, and so I tweeted a
Speaker 1: picture out. So he responded, Dean, do you watch good
Speaker 1: Fellows or Sopranos to get this material? Also? I always
Speaker 1: ordered the Gobba gooule and the Musca rule when I
Speaker 1: go to d M but in in in the ainos,
Speaker 1: but they only take cash? Did you pay them for
Speaker 1: that food? By analyzing NFL rules from the Wikipedia article,
Speaker 1: I rewrote this morning so hilarious, right, I mean, racist
Speaker 1: is all help, but it's hilarious. He's making fun. Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. So I retweeted it and he
Speaker 1: he sent me up. He sent me a slid in
Speaker 1: your d M. He slid in my d M s
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, Dean, what a good sport. I
Speaker 1: was clowning like a Twitter troll and you just turned
Speaker 1: into an annoying in my book by taking that nonsense
Speaker 1: for a ride. Hats off, sir. So we responded, Hey no,
Speaker 1: I was like, no problem, and now we're friends, Me
Speaker 1: and Fred Wilponzi, killing with kindness again, changing changing line,
Speaker 1: changing lives, shaking hands. Hopef. We got a lot of
Speaker 1: eight to ten year olds listening to this and they
Speaker 1: learned a lot of lessons exactly exactly. Um, we're done,
Speaker 1: We're done. That's a show show all right, guys, this
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