1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning, 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: This is Laura, Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: episode is going to be a longer one part of 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: the series where I interview fascinating people about how they 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: take their days from great to awesome and any advice 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: they have for the rest of us. So today I 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: am delighted to welcome Lewis Hatchett to Before Breakfast. Lewis 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: is the host of the mind Strong podcast. It's also 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: a coach who works with people on time management, productivity 10 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: in their mindset, and he is a former professional cricket 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: player as well. So Lewis, welcome to the show. 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: Thanks Laura. It's good to have be on your show. 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: We're having you. 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: You've just been online, so exactly it was great slop 15 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: like this, Yes, a good exchange for sure. So why 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: don't you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself? 17 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, so right now, I am a mindset coach that 18 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: works predominantly in the sport space. Just naturally. It's been 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: easy for me because that is the world I came 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: from as a professional athlete. My own personal background in 21 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: sport is a slightly unique one. I won't go into 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: sort of a forty minute kinot But ultimately I was 23 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: born with a rare condition called Poland syndrome, so I 24 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: missing my right pectora muscle two ribs are behind it. 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: I was told at birth that I wouldn't be able 26 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: to play sport. I hid that from the world and 27 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: then overcame it to play a sport where actually, if 28 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: I was to be hit by a cricket ball, many people, 29 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: if your listeners from the US or Canada, cricket is 30 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: the second largest sport in the world. So there's that fact. 31 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: But also it's kind of like baseball. The ball moves 32 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: around at ninety mile an hour. It's much more solid 33 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: than it's a little bit more solid than a baseball, 34 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: so if you get hit, you break bones and things 35 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: like that. But if I was to get hit with it, 36 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: it would potentially kill me. So I hid that from 37 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: the world and I managed to make my way into 38 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: being a pro athlete by what I would just say, 39 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: not through talent, not through skill. Well there was skill 40 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: at the end, but basically mindset was my ability to 41 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: mentally overcome some of the challenges and just stay persistent 42 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: and stay in the game. Essentially, and then I always 43 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: say that professional sport is kind of like who's the 44 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: last person hanging on? And then if you're left at 45 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: the end, then you get a chance. And then I, 46 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: unfortunately did get a career ending injury. I broke my 47 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 2: back and then I had to come out of the 48 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: sport at twenty six, and I then moved into coaching naturally, 49 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: but that coaching then started to mold itself towards a 50 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: much more mentoring space. When athletes found out about my 51 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: condition and my story, they wanted to ask how do 52 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: I build confidence, how do I overcome failure, how do 53 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: I deal with pressure? Moments That led me into my 54 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: interest in the psychology space, doing my master's in performance psychology, 55 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: and then eventually built a brand called mind Strong Sport, 56 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: which I actually developed into an app that teaches mental 57 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: skills to athletes in the comfort of their own home. 58 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 2: And yeah, most of my work is trying to make 59 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: people mentally stronger to take on the challenges that they 60 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: face in the world. So that really is my very 61 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: quick synopsis of where I'm from, what I'm about. 62 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I know some of my international listeners are 63 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: more familiar with cricket. The probably than my US listeners. 64 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: But just real quick because from what I understand of cricket, 65 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: having both pectoral muscles would probably be. 66 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: Helpful, be a benefit. Yeah, so actually give you an 67 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: insight that. So the only thing that protects my lung 68 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: on my upper right portion of my chest is just skin. 69 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: So I and that unfortunately as a batter who I turned, 70 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: I was left handed, so I'm facing the bowler, which 71 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: means it's the most vulnerable side. But I was given 72 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: and had built for me a kevlar chest guard, so 73 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: it's completely one of a kind, Like it's only designed 74 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: to my chest, and it's bulletproof, so it won't just 75 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: stop a cricket ball at stop a bullet but I 76 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: I the only other things that it really helps it 77 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: doesn't help with is sort of mechanics, so like I 78 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: can't get my right arm above my head as easy 79 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: as I can on my left. I get very regular 80 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: muscle spasms in my right shoulder, like I'm coming off 81 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 2: the back of one now, so I kind of get 82 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: knocked down for a cup of well, I just become 83 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: a bit more incapacitated in terms of movement. I get 84 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 2: regular headaches because of just the overactive muscles that are 85 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: compensating for a very large muscle not being there. So yes, 86 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: a lot of management. I'm trying to tamele that down 87 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: and look after my body. And yeah, I I throw 88 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: myself into that ringer like I don't make it. I 89 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: don't make it easy for myself. I'm in the gym 90 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: every day, I'm constantly pushing my body. So it's it's 91 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: I'm willing to take that hit for the things that 92 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: i want to get out of life. 93 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk a little bit about the mindset things 94 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: that you had to do then, because obviously, if you're 95 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: starting from a bit of a physical disadvantage in terms 96 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: of even just your musculture and how your body is built, 97 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: how does one do that sort of day and day out. 98 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: Like I'm going to keep working on this, I'm curious 99 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: if there are particular mental processes you've found helpful. 100 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 3: Yeah. 101 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: Well, weirdly enough, the thing that I didn't really think 102 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: about at the time was things like that. So I'm 103 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: not sitting there going like we do now in the 104 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 2: world where I'm like, right, if I get a if 105 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: I can have these seven hacks that allow me to 106 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 2: unlock I wasn't rethinking that the thing that I weirdly 107 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: and I just spoke to someone about this recently, was 108 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: how am I going to build self belief in myself 109 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: if everything is kind of against me? And the number 110 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: one thing I could choose at the time, especially now 111 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 2: knowing the psychology, the strongest way you can build that 112 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: self belief is through past experience. But as a teenage 113 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: LA guide like I didn't have those experiences to hold 114 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: on to, and they weren't really relevant in the sort 115 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 2: of realm I was going into. You're not going to 116 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: build self belief in a professional environment if all you've 117 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: done is play high school sport, right. But one thing 118 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: I did do was I became an absolute geek at 119 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 2: other people's stories. So I loved stories of other athletes, 120 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,559 Speaker 2: especially those who were similar to me or done something 121 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: similar to me, or at least had a condition and 122 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: had an underdog story. So if I knew they had 123 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: an underdog story, then I lashed onto that and I 124 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: was like, what did they do? How did they do it? 125 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: What were some of the things that I could use there? 126 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: And then I would just take all these stories and 127 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: find the similarities and be like, do you know what 128 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 2: if they have done it, then I believe if I 129 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: kind of follow the ways in which they've done it, 130 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: then I can too. And a lot of the approach 131 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: that I now look back on and I realized that 132 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: I wasn't whether I was unique in this way, But 133 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: when I was trying to get my goal of what 134 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 2: I was trying to achieve as a professional athlete, I 135 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: wasn't actually focused on getting that goal I wanted it. 136 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: It was this north start in terms of that's where 137 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: I believe I can get to. But actually the thing 138 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: I was focused on so much more was what's the 139 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: type of person I need to be in order to 140 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: get that? So my things that I did was how 141 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: can I I was building values, especially when I watched 142 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: these athletes through the stories that they were telling, or 143 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: it might have been a very inspiring film or story, 144 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: and I thought, what are the traits and characteristics that 145 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: I can take on from those people? And if I 146 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: aim at that, then it looks like by just numbers 147 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: game that these are the there's positive outcomes that are 148 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: going to come from that. So I didn't really sort 149 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: of go out there and go, this is the thing 150 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: that I'm going to hold on to and I want 151 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: to this. These are the steps. I actually just focused 152 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: on the person I was going to be, type of 153 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: character I wanted to be. What those behaviors were. So 154 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: if I then. 155 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: Was give me an example, I would say like being 156 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 3: a I say this like never giving up or being persistent, 157 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: and the way I would manifest that would be or 158 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: or choosing to do things when even when the environment 159 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: was tough. 160 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: Right, so still persisting when the environment was tough, and 161 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: the way that would manifest would be. I live in 162 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: the UK. Our winters are not favorable. We get rain, 163 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: we get snow, it's cold. So if I knew I 164 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: had to go to a training session and it's nice 165 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: and warm inside and it's cozy, I had already said 166 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: that I am not someone who is going to I'm 167 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 2: willing to do things in tough environments. I'm willing to 168 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: do something difficult. And so that would make the decision 169 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: of whether I put my trainers on really easy, because 170 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: I'm not breaking this habit that I've got in front 171 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 2: of me. I'm actually breaking something much deeper. I'm breaking 172 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: a bond with myself of the person that I'm wanting 173 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 2: to be. And for me, there's this underlying belief for 174 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: myself is if I break my bond with myself, then 175 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: I almost can't live with myself because I'm not the 176 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: person that I believe I am, And almost I couldn't. 177 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: I couldn't live with that. I couldn't live with not 178 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: being true to the person that I am. And if 179 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: it's some form of action that aligns with that person 180 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: I want to be and I break it, it's just 181 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: something I can't live with. So I've made those promises 182 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: to myself and through those you get the habits, you 183 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: get the things that kind of get you to where 184 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 2: you want to be. 185 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: All Right, We're going to take a quick ad break 186 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: and then i'll be back with more from Lewis Hatchett. Well, 187 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: I am back talking with Lewis Hatchett, who is the 188 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: host of the Mind Strong podcast. He's been talking about 189 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: his professional cricket career, despite having a disability that in 190 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: many cases might make it challenging to play a cricket 191 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: let alone on the professional level, achieving that. But Lewis, 192 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: let's talk about this because I want to get into 193 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: sort of coming out of that. I mean, obviously, we 194 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: can have a very strong mindset, trained very well, achieve 195 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: the highest levels, but being a professional athlete, you know 196 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: that your career is going to end, and it is 197 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: going to end far earlier than those of us who 198 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: do most other things. I mean, you can work in 199 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: a bank for your entire life, but at some point 200 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: you're going to be off the cricket field. And so 201 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: I wonder what you were thinking, knowing you wanted to 202 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: hit the highest levels of that, but knowing you're going 203 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: to have to at a relatively early age find something 204 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: else to do as well. I'm curious how you were 205 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: thinking about that in the process of that transition. 206 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, again, I think if you were to serve 207 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: a lot of athletes, how many of them actually think 208 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: about it comparative All of them know it, You all 209 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: know it, but how much you think about it is 210 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: a different thing, right. So, But for me, I think 211 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: because of my condition, because of how I got into sport, 212 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: it was and my parents potentially got it into me 213 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: early as well. They always would say, what are you 214 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: going to do when it ends? What's going to happen? 215 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: Now? 216 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: There's two things, right when you want to have an 217 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: eye on that, but also when you're playing sport, you 218 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 2: want to be all in. When you're in it, you 219 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: want to be all in. But for me, I also 220 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: it kind of goes back to what I said earlier, 221 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 2: which was that I believed that if I could have 222 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: traits that I knew would be successful outside of sport 223 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: and not siloed to just sport, and valued those as well, 224 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: So not value what it is that I was doing, 225 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 2: but potentially how I was doing it, that I could 226 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: trust that I could learn anything outside of it. So 227 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: we can all learn skills, we can all learn new things. 228 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: But the things that especially you see this in the 229 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 2: corporate world right now, that people are really latching onto 230 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: is the people is how they do things, how they 231 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 2: show up, how they're doing what they're doing. Not necessarily 232 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: what they do, yeah that's great, but how they do it, 233 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: that's something that can make you unique. So I've really 234 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: focused on those. And then, luckily, pre cricket career, my 235 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: parents got me into working pretty early, so I was 236 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: like a fourteen year old working in kitchens and working 237 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: in fish factories before I turn pro. And then when 238 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: I came out, i'd had experiences outside of the sport. 239 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: Now I work for myself, but I went and work 240 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: for my brother. He works in the corporate space, and 241 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: you find that there are things that you can use 242 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: in terms of not whats but how's, and they can 243 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: be really really effective for you being able to transition 244 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 2: from one thing to another. 245 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: So I'd like to talk a little bit about some 246 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: of the mindsets that you help people develop. Right, So 247 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 1: if I come to you and I am saying, you know, Lewis, 248 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,599 Speaker 1: I would like some help becoming sort of more effective 249 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: at what I'm doing? What are some of the practical 250 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: things that you would have me doing differently in my life? 251 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 2: Well, first thing, even just using the word effective, I 252 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: would probably ask what is effective? Right? What will make 253 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: you effect? When have you been effective? And what does 254 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: what does that kind of look like? Is it? Is it? 255 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: Is it removing a fear of failure? Is your barrier 256 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: to being effective? Fear of failure? Is it more confidence? 257 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: Is it belief? Is it state of anxiety that you 258 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: find yourself in? Do you struggle performing under pressure moments 259 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 2: when it is that you need them. If it's in 260 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: a sporting space, it might be in a big game. 261 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: If it's in a corporate space, it might be when 262 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: you have to give a presentation and you have to 263 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: get up and speak. That could be the clutch moment 264 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: that you need to perform. So I would really try 265 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: to drill down on where you feel there's a big 266 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 2: block that you've got going on in terms of, yeah, 267 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 2: how you want to be effective? What is the best 268 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: version of you look like? And really start there, like, 269 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: what's the best version of you that we've got? How 270 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: do you start there and build a framework of when 271 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 2: you have performed well? Because we're humans, we look at 272 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: all of the negative biases in our lives. We look 273 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: at all the times where I've failed and oh, I 274 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: hope this doesn't happen again, and completely discount all of 275 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: the good things that have happened in our lives. So 276 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: we have to remember, like, what are we so good at? 277 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: What are we awesome at? And it comes and I 278 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 2: choose not only that from I choose that from not 279 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: only the literature, but I choose that from actually eperience, 280 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 2: my experience with my condition. I could sit there and go, oh, 281 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: my condition doesn't allow me to do X y Z. 282 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: But my optimistic view is I have all of this 283 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: other stuff to my disposal, and this can make me 284 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: effective and I can do some awesome things here. So like, 285 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: first off, my big thing with people is what are 286 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: your strengths and how do we make them super strengths. 287 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: How do we make them things that you become really 288 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: well known for and kind of mixed within that, I'm 289 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: really I really love trying to help people find what 290 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 2: makes them unique. So and I know I mean this 291 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: or like super simple things for me, like one of 292 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: the most unique things I could find about myself at 293 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: a certain time, I was left handed, and I was like, 294 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: that is unique to me. That's unique. And then if 295 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: I couldn't figure that out, I was like, I'm from 296 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: a state school or I'm from a country village. Like 297 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: I would find these things that I could then latch 298 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: onto them and make a little story about them that 299 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: would make them unique and that would pump my tires up, 300 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: that would make me feel good, That would give me 301 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: something that I could go into something with confidence, and 302 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: I believe that would them makes you more effective, right 303 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: because you if you're confident, if you're in control of 304 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: what you're doing. But that would be it like starting 305 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: off of trying to get people confident in themselves before 306 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: sort of knowing where it is that they want to go. 307 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: Well, and I hear you saying this, but I think 308 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: you're probably working with people who are already putting in 309 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: a ton of time into the skill development as it 310 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: is that it's the mindset that's sort of a distinguishing 311 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: factor then, right, So if everybody is doing the four 312 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: hours in the gym, right, if everyone at the top 313 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: level is doing that anyway, then it's the person who 314 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: has the better stories they're telling themselves that is able 315 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: to distinguish themselves. Is that what I'm saying. 316 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you go to any professional sport that take tennis, 317 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: but like I'm in the world of tennis a bit, 318 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: and you take the top one hundred tennis players, especially 319 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: in the men's game, and even probably even more so 320 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: in the women's game. Actually, you take those players, there's 321 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: not a massive amount of difference between all those hundred players. 322 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: Men outcras and center they're outlies at the moment, but 323 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: the majority of say the women's game, there is not 324 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: much difference between a lot of them, and so the 325 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: big differentiator is how they deal with it mentally, emotionally 326 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: around it. You take every other sport and I always 327 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: find this quite fascinating in American sports, for example, when 328 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: you see a player move up from say college football, 329 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: to the NFL and into the pro pro leagues, how 330 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: they deal with that transition because they've no longer become 331 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: an outlier player in a national league. They've now become 332 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: sort of maybe middle rung, maybe even bottom rung in 333 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: another national league, and it's just another level and they realize, oh, 334 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: my god, everyone is good. Everyone has got the skills, 335 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: everyone's got the ability. So what is your differential differential 336 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: factor there? What is this sort of un unseeable skill 337 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: that you potentially have that people can go, Yeah, they've 338 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: got that, and that is going to make them different? 339 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: And you think about it. A lot of the players 340 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 2: that EVA come up against or I've seen happening in 341 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 2: the world, and some of the best performers that you 342 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: think of. I bet you if you think about people 343 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: who are really excellent in their fields and you were 344 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: to describe them, the first things that you would start 345 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: to describe are more characteristic traits, more mindset sort of 346 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 2: traits that they might have the way they go about 347 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 2: what they do, rather than how it is that they 348 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: do what they do, or the skills that they actually Oh, 349 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 2: they've got this amazing shot, or if it's like Steve Jobs, 350 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 2: he has a great presentation or whatever it is, right, Like, 351 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: it's more, No, these people are ruthless. These people are 352 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,479 Speaker 2: really confident in themselves. These people are They're willing to 353 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: get knocked down and get back up again. Right, it's 354 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: the mindset that differentiates those people. 355 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, I just find that fascinating, especially like watching 356 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: the Olympics a year ago. I remember that, like the 357 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: men's one hundred meters dash, everybody in the final is 358 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: like in the photo right across in the line. I mean, 359 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: there's no difference between any of these athletes in terms 360 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: of what speeds they can run at, right, Like, they're 361 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: all within hundreds of thousands of a second of each other. 362 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, what makes somebody win is probably something else. 363 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: We're going to take one more quick ad break and 364 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: then I will be back with more from Lewis Hatchet. Well, 365 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: I am back talking with Lewis Hatchet about mindset, how 366 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: we become distinguished from people who all have about the 367 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: same level of skills and talents. I want to pivot 368 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: a little bit though, and talk about your current schedule. 369 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: So we always like to hear about people's daily routines. 370 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: I wonder if you have any routines that you think 371 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: help make you more productive, they. 372 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 2: Say, I one hundred percent hang everything around my physical training. 373 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 2: Now that's probably down to being an athlete, but I 374 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 2: do have this huge underpinning that if I'm not physically well, 375 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: if I don't feel physically good about myself, then I'm 376 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 2: not going to be able to be effective in anything 377 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: that I do. And I say that for kind of 378 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 2: two reasons. One, I know physiologically I need to be 379 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 2: in good health to be able to maintain a good schedule, 380 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: but also there's an element of when I'm physically well 381 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 2: and in good shape, I just present myself better and 382 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: I show up better, whether it's in front of people 383 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 2: or for myself. I kind of carry a confidence in 384 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: myself that I feel so much more able and capable 385 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: of taking things on, So that for me actually gives 386 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 2: me the confidence to then take on the work that 387 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: I have. What it is in the day, my schedule 388 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 2: can be quite chaotic sometimes because I do have whether 389 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: it's a client that might need something quite quickly, they 390 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 2: might have a game or a tournament that's coming up, 391 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: or they need a bit more of my time, so 392 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: I tend to maybe need to change this, but I 393 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 2: don't actually block them out of my schedule because I 394 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 2: want to be available for them. The one thing I 395 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: would hate to have is this player of mine or 396 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: client of mine that's in need and they can't get me. 397 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: Right So I have actually blocked out my mornings so 398 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 2: they can't get me before twelve o'clock. They definitely can't 399 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 2: do that. So that gives me a little bit of 400 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: time to get into the day. But I definitely focus 401 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: a lot of my time around like where is my 402 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 2: physical training going that day? If I need to move 403 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 2: it or move it, but it's not coming out of 404 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: the schedule. And then everything in terms of how I 405 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: build my my work and my client base or even 406 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: just marketing, I kind of chunk them up into certain 407 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: parts of the day, try to get a lot of 408 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: the weirdly send a lot of creativity stuff towards the 409 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: end of the week. I found that because I'm not 410 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 2: trying to if I'm trying to get a hold of 411 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 2: new clients or trying to get a hold of maybe 412 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: a new opportunity that's out there, I tend to attack 413 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: sort of Tuesday and a Wednesday. But if it's if 414 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 2: it's creative, I leave that stuff towards the back end 415 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: of the week because I find it's a bit more 416 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: fun and I feel when you're leaning into say a 417 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: weekend day, you kind of feel that fun vibe coming 418 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 2: into your life and you're like, oh, the weekend's come in, 419 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 2: so I could do something a little bit more creative today, 420 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 2: whereas a Monday. I'm not too creative on a Monday 421 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,959 Speaker 2: because Mondays just come with a name, a stigma attached 422 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: to them. 423 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: So Mondays are for business, all getting down to what 424 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be doing, and then by Fridays then 425 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: then you're they're dreaming up a few possibilities. 426 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: Mondays for Monday's definitely for planning and sort of strategizing 427 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: how the well Monday morning. But but then I'm always 428 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 2: a big, big believe. I heard this quote before, like 429 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: was it never? Oh my god, it was crush Crush 430 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 2: your average Tuesday. So Tuesday is the one to go for. 431 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: And I kind of like that because then you've I've 432 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 2: kind of got them. I've got the energy in Tuesday, right, 433 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 2: So yeah, low, low hanging fruits on a Monday and 434 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: then start crushing a Tuesday. 435 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of making Tuesdays as good as 436 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,479 Speaker 1: possible for sure. Lewis. I asked, oh, my guests, what 437 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: is something you have done it recently to take a 438 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: day from great to awesome? 439 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: What have I done recently to take a day from 440 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: great to awesome? I I actually, and this sounds like 441 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: so trivial, but I started writing down the tasks that 442 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 2: gave me real friction, so the ones that I've really 443 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 2: hated and the ones that I kept moving and the 444 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: re and sort of even put alongside it that the 445 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: reasons why I didn't want to do them, and I 446 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: just started attacking those straight away. They become really really important. 447 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: And I'd heard, I'd heard, I can't remember the entrepreneur 448 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: that spoke about it, but spoke about Steve Jobs having 449 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 2: noise and signal and having and he lived his life 450 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: in noise and signal. And I recognized that the things 451 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: that I was I was spending more time on was 452 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: noise and the signal. There were definitely signal things that 453 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 2: I was moving down that list, and I started pushing 454 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 2: them towards the top of the list, Like three things 455 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 2: that like three signals that I needed to definitely do, 456 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: even if I didn't know what the outcome was going 457 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 2: to be, but they were if I could get them done, 458 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: then get them done. And for example, one was my 459 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 2: dissertation writing. It was writing a dissertation and that I 460 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: was moving. I kept finding reasons to move it, but 461 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 2: then once I just said, do you know what, get 462 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: it done and also attributed the feeling with it. So 463 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 2: I've been doing a bit of psychotherapy as well, and 464 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 2: I was starting to definitely attribute the emotional feeling to 465 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: getting something done, and so bringing that thing up the 466 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: list and then associating a positive emotion that came with it, 467 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: that definitely made well. Whether I see the difference in 468 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: the results is neither here nor there, But I feel 469 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: the result in myself right because I feel better. 470 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely. It feels good to get things done, and particularly 471 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: things that we may not have wanted to do, but 472 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: when they're done and they're off the list, it's it's great. 473 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: What's something you are looking forward to right now? 474 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 2: Oh, I have a couple of opportunities on the horizon 475 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 2: which I am really looking forward to, which I can't 476 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 2: really say yet because they haven't actualized. But working with 477 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: a really exciting athlete. But one one thing potentially is 478 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 2: moving to Barcelona that's on the horizon, which I would 479 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: be really excited about, and then that would and getting 480 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 2: my app mind strong sport into more funny enough American colleges. 481 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: So we just partnered with University of Colorado and getting 482 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 2: it into more universities and colleges something I am genuinely 483 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 2: really excited about expanding that because I'm very very passionate 484 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 2: about improving the mental health of whether it's athletes and 485 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 2: people that are in sport, because I personally have an 486 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: ethos that we've spoken a lot about mental health in 487 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 2: our lives, and we've actually maybe focused on the wrong 488 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: thing in trying to protect our mental health. We've actually 489 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 2: protected ourselves too much from the challenges in the world. 490 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: And actually, if we can build mental strength in what 491 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 2: we're doing and have the skills and the tools to 492 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 2: help us take on challenges, then actually by doing that, 493 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 2: the byproduct is positive mental health because we feel better 494 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: about ourselves. And the reason I approach sport is because 495 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 2: I believe sport is an exaggeration of everyday life events 496 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: and we can teach a lot of personal skills outside 497 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: of sport. Whether people play high school, college, professional sport, 498 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter once they leave that sport, do they 499 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 2: have skills and tools that they can transition and use 500 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: that makes them not only great at what they do 501 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: in the disciplines that they're going into, but actually just 502 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 2: great human beings at the same time. So I'm really 503 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 2: really passionate about doing that. 504 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely, resilience is a wonderful thing to have. The Lewis 505 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: where can people find you? 506 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 2: Best place is probably Instagram just at Lewis Hatchett or 507 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 2: head over to my website Lewishatchett dot com and they 508 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 2: can go and find out a lot of things absolutely wonderful. 509 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: Well, Lewis, thank you so much for joining us. Everyone 510 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: can go check out mind Strong. Thank you to everyone 511 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: for listening. If you have feedback about this or any 512 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: other episode, you can always reach me at Laura at 513 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: Laura vandercam dot com. 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