1 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Body backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. I don't care how 2 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: old I get or how old my youngins get. I 3 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: can't escape being a father, and trust me, I don't 4 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: want to. There are just certain moments in time where 5 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: I need to have a dose of connectivity with my kids, 6 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: where you know, I can talk to them, laugh with them, 7 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: maybe advise them. Heck, even they advise me sometimes. Remember 8 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: I'm a college professor. I don't understand the generation I'm 9 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: working with right now. I've got a college student that 10 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: is my son. He helps me, but you know, I 11 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: wait for those calls. He calls me several times a day. 12 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: My daughter calls me, and I talk to my grands. 13 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine going one hundred and seventy three days 14 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: not knowing, not knowing where my seventeen year old angel is. 15 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: There's no way I can really fathom that. But Valerie 16 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: Tendalls parents had to endure that. And the really chilling 17 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: part of it is that for those one hundred and 18 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: seventy three days, her body was buried beneath the ground 19 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: less than one hundred yards away from their front steps. 20 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body backs, Dave, 21 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: we love those babies. Hard to get past that, don't 22 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: want to get past it. It's hard to take the 23 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: measure of the grief of a parent. You know, when 24 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: you're out of touch with your kids. It's a handwringing 25 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: moment in time. I guess some people are you know, 26 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: will say, well, they're on their own, they're out of 27 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: the house. We're talking about seventeen year old here. They're 28 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: not out on their own. We're talking about a seventeen 29 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: year old high school student who, by the way, I 30 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: have to state this, values parents had moved to the 31 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: town of Arlington, Indiana, in order, in their words, to 32 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:50,559 Speaker 1: get away from the crime that apparently, according to them, 33 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: infested Indianapolis. They wanted to move to this safe, rural 34 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: location and they got away from Indianapolis. But once they 35 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: lighted in Arlington, you know, all hell breaks loose. 36 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: They can't find their interlting that so many of the 37 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: stories that we do, Joe, are out in the country 38 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: where you think everything's safe, never expected anything like this. 39 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 3: We hear that a lot. 40 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, a different level of horror, isn't it. It almost 41 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: makes it more horrific. I think it's an introduction of chaos. 42 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 2: Chaos is exactly what Patrick Scott brings to Valerie Tyndall's family. 43 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: You know, Valerie Tyndall worked for Patrick Scott for about 44 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: two years. She's seventeen years old, he's fifty nine. And 45 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: Valerie's mom said that Valerie Tyndall and Patrick Scott had 46 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 2: a very close bond. They just clicked. And mom says 47 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: she wasn't really worried about the fifty nine year old 48 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: Scott and her seventeen year old daughter until she noticed 49 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: that Patrick Scott started acting like a jealous boyfriend with 50 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: regard to Valerie Tyndall. Bothered mom a little bit. Wednesday, 51 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: Gen seventh, Valerie says she's had to work. Mom says, really, 52 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: because Valerie doesn't usually work Wednesdays, so mom was worried 53 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: that afternoon when Valerie Tendall doesn't come home from work, 54 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: her mom reaches out by self, tries calling and goes 55 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: right to voicemail, tries texting, there's no reply. She calls 56 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: Patrick Scott and he says she wasn't working with me today. 57 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: Immediately on the phone with cops. We've got to file 58 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 2: a missing person's report and they begin the search. It's 59 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: five months later, five months and Patrick Scott has been 60 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 2: caught lying to believe several times. Five months of searching, 61 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: and Valerie Tendall's body is found inside a homemade box 62 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: a coffin and buried less than one hundred yards from 63 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: her family's back door. Hang on, let me do the 64 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: math real quick. Forty two years, Yeah, forty two. He's 65 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: fifty nine, she's seventeen. 66 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: Forty two years. You think about that, Why would you 67 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: other than wanting to maybe help a kid that you 68 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: see maybe has some potential, maybe you see something in 69 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: them where they might be a hard worker. But beyond that, Wow, 70 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: why in the world would you have any interest in 71 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old child because she's a child? 72 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 3: She's child? 73 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: Dare I don't understand it. And let me say one 74 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: more thing. I was talking about the beauty of being, 75 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: you know, in kind of a more isolated area, you 76 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: feel safe. My contention always has been I don't believe 77 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: in the image of the devil that we have in 78 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: our brain, where he's cloven hoofs and a long red 79 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: tail and horns and all that. I think the devil 80 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: shows up most of the time and it is something 81 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: that might be attractive. I think that that's what again. 82 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: And attraction can come in any number. It can come 83 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: with the comforting of parents, you know, to let them know, hey, 84 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: you've landed it a good place. We're right here. I've 85 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: got my granddaughter here. She's your daughter's age. You know, 86 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,559 Speaker 1: everything's cool. Hey, you want a job, I got a job. 87 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 3: I got a job. 88 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Now I'll take her out to dinner every 89 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: now and then. Whatn't the hell is a fifty nine 90 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: year old man doing taking a seventeen year old out 91 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: for dinner? 92 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 2: And they did go to dinner now, yeah. Patrick Scott 93 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 2: claimed it was just a thank you dinner, that's all. 94 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 2: It was just a thank you dinner, just saying thanks. 95 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: But when you start adding these up, Valerie Tyndall's mother, 96 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: Sherry Sanderfer, said that Patrick Scott started acting like a 97 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: jealous boyfriend when it came to Valerie Tendall add that 98 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: with Scherry Sanderfer told WRTV that someone else overheard Patrick 99 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: Scott telling Valerie Tindall that he was planning on taking 100 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: her out to lunch some place special in Indianapolis, and 101 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: he did this just hours before she vanished. If you're 102 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 2: gonna do a big thank you dinner or lunch. Then 103 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 2: you're gonna invite her mom and dad her, You're gonna 104 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: invite your granddaughter. If it's just to say thank you, 105 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: somebody else is coming. It's not gonna just be the 106 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 2: two of you. 107 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, and I think that's that's the here. But 108 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, this fellaw. He flips this script around and 109 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: he's saying, essentially, according to the police, he confessed, and 110 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: he confessed to this, and in his confession he's making 111 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: the statement where this is the ultimate in victim blaming 112 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: to me, that you're going to put this on the 113 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: shoulders of a seventeen year old child. And we know this, Dave, 114 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: You and I have covered a lot of territory with 115 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: one another. We know this that dead can never ever 116 00:07:42,760 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: defend themselves. I'd thrown up number when we first started off, 117 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:12,679 Speaker 1: days upon days upon weeks upon weeks that Valerie, seventeen 118 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: year old Valerie Tendall was missing. The way the circumstances 119 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: are kind of playing out in this case, and again 120 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: I want to tell everybody this is ongoing investigation at 121 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: this point in time, but what has alleged to have 122 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: happened was that she vanished. She vanished. Valerie just vanished 123 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: into thin air after having last been seen in his 124 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: company or approximating his company. And remember their homes. Their 125 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: homes are, like I said, about one hundred yards apart. 126 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: That's a football field, Dave, that's a football field. 127 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 2: The Scott home is about is behind technically speaking from 128 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: where the road is, it's behind the Tendall home. Now 129 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: to get to the time line. Valerie Tindall last scene 130 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: June seventh. She tells her parents that she's going to 131 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: work for Patrick Scott, going to work just like normal. 132 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: She vanishes and within a matter of days, you know, 133 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: Patrick Scott is going to be somebody they're going to 134 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: look at. You're always going to look at the last 135 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 2: person with the person who's missing. On June tenth, Indiana 136 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: State Police issued a silver alert for Valerie Tindall. October eleventh, 137 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: cadaver dogs search Scott's home and indicate a body somewhere. 138 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: That's October eleventh. The police keep coming. They search his property, 139 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 2: they are looking everywhere. They're not really showing their cards, 140 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: but it's enough for him to know he's not just 141 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: a suspect. He is their main suspect. The last person 142 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: with her October twelfth police spot disturbed earth on Scott's property. 143 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: Now you've been down this road many times before with investigations. 144 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: How do you tell when dirt has been if you've 145 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: got a lot of property, how do you tell. 146 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: Oldzheimer's use to refer to it is turned to earth, 147 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, it's It's definitely different when you think 148 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: about the what we refer to in death investigation and 149 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: specifically forensic anthropology, when you're looking at the teponomy of soil, 150 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: and that's all the composition of the soil, the surrounding area, 151 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: if there is activity that's going in or going on 152 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: around there. It's very simple too. This is again we're 153 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: not going to the moon. You've got an area of 154 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: turned or disturbed earth where there is little or no 155 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: packing to the soil, and you can look at it 156 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: and contrast it very quickly with the other surrounding area, 157 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: which is most of the time very tightly packed. I 158 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: hope that everyone if you live in a standalone residence 159 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: or you know, or maybe in your backyard you've got 160 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: a flower bed, okay, and then you look at the 161 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: rest of your yard where it's distinctly packed down where 162 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: you're you know, you've got grass growing, you got a lawn, 163 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: more going over the area with turned earth, if you've 164 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: got a flower bed, for instance, you'll see clots of earth, 165 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: clots of dirt, and also one of the biggest telltale signs. 166 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: And this is what they saw they did. They actually 167 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: did a drone fly over day and one of the 168 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: things that you see are not necessarily what you would 169 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: think with earth being mounded up. It's actually these small 170 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: little depressions that are in the soil. And these can 171 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: be spotted pretty quickly even from the air. You'll see 172 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: that little bits of earth in very specific spaces where 173 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: the soil appears to have a sunken appearance to it. 174 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: And I don't know if this is in great surprise 175 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: to you, Dave, but I got to I'm going to 176 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: say something here that sent a chill up my spine. 177 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: That is that they did see evidence of an area 178 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: in his backyard of disturbed earth. But Dave, they also 179 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: said that they saw multiple areas of disturbed earth on 180 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: his property. Now, when I begin to hear that, for 181 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: me and I think about an older fellaw who has 182 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: taken the life of by his own admission, according to 183 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: the police, of a seventeen year old, and you've got 184 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: a relationship that is, let's face it, it's abnormal. And yes, 185 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 1: just so we understand, there are certain things in life 186 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: that are abnormal. Okay, this is not a normal set 187 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: of circumstances. You begin to think, if you've got multiple 188 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: sites of disturbed earth, my gosh, man, what else could to. 189 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 3: This point that one? 190 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: I'll give you one more. Locals were involved in this 191 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: investigation as are I say are currently locals are involved 192 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: in it. State police are involved in it. They've had 193 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: are you ready for this? Forty four zero FBI agents 194 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: involved in this case. You do not get forty FBI 195 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: agents involved in anything unless they're highly motivated where they're 196 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: thinking there's more to this, and it just I was 197 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: gobsmacked when I heard the number of recent because you know, 198 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: you have to look at that. Let's look at it 199 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: in dollar signs, and we all know if you look 200 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: at it from dollar signs, you know the government, you know, 201 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: this seems like they spend money on anything. But when 202 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: you think about the manpower that's assigned to this, I 203 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: don't even know where would you go to get forty 204 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: FBI agents in state of Indiana. Well, that tells me that, yeah, 205 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: they probably have field offices that are involved in this. 206 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: But when you start to get up into those numbers 207 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: like that, you're talking about potentially bringing in specialists from 208 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: other locations. Certainly their evidence response team is probably out there. 209 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: That's the famous EERT teams that come out and do this. 210 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: And I don't know if they've got other assets that 211 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: may have descended in this location from Langley. Perhaps we 212 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: don't know because nothing has really come out relative to that, 213 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: and in the FEDS are notorious for keeping their mouth shut. 214 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: Mister Scott was charged in June with providing false information 215 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: to police after lying about the last time he saw 216 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: about Tendall. He allegedly told police that he had dropped 217 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: her off in town Homer, which is located about five 218 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: miles south of Arlington, and that he got she had 219 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: gotten into a car with an unknown person. That was 220 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: his first story to police. You know you're the last 221 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: person with her, What did you, guys do? They knew 222 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 2: that was a lie. So if you've got the next 223 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: door neighbor, a fifty nine year old man who this 224 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: young woman mom says the relationship seemed odd. He seemed 225 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: to look at her like he's a jealous boyfriend. Police 226 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: are coming down on him, but that's it. He lies 227 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: to him, and that's they don't do anything well. Two 228 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: months after that, in August of twenty twenty three, the 229 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: Rush County Sheriff's Department said investigators quote believe it is 230 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: possible that Valerie has been receiving aid from an individual 231 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: or individuals whose goal is to keep her hidden. I 232 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: remember covering this and thinking, somebody, did she run away 233 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: on her own? First things first, did she run away 234 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: and now somebody is helping her stay gone? Or did 235 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: somebody kidnap her and they are hiding her away because 236 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 2: somehow these the police believe she is still alive. At 237 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: that point, I'm just curious. You've got a fifty nine 238 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: year old next door neighbor that she works for, who 239 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: the mom says that he's too close to her. He 240 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: kind of acts like a jelo's boyfriend. Then you got 241 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: the police saying we think somebody's helping her stay hidden. 242 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: I have to wonder what the police were actually, you know, 243 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: were they being truthful when they said that, or were 244 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: they lay in breadcrumbs? Were they trying to bring this 245 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 2: guy out. 246 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know. My gut reaction is to 247 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: say that that is probably the case. There's a sad 248 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: side to that because if that's what they're putting out 249 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: in public, I wonder if that's what they're telling the family, 250 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: because in making that statement, you're providing the family with 251 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: something you can't back up, which is hope, hope, and 252 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: and that's a sad, sad set of circumstances to even consider. 253 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: I think it's the worst. 254 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 3: Of the instigation, Joe. 255 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 2: Would they sit the family off of the side and say, hey, 256 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: we're going to put something out in the public. Would 257 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 2: they do that with the family? I don't know, as 258 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: I think that it could happen. I'll put it to 259 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: you that way, all right, it could very well happen. 260 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 2: How in the world, you know, if you're a parent, 261 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 2: you can maintain restraint during that period of time, because 262 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: I got to tell you, I'm going to the closest 263 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 2: microphone I can find. I want my baby back home. 264 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 2: I want to be able to wrap my arms around her. 265 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: And in this case, I think that they were attempting 266 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 2: to exhaust every resource. 267 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: That they had. But it seems to me that they 268 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: knew something early on and they had peg Scot back 269 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: when this thing initially kicked off, because you know, you 270 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: you I don't know, and we don't know a lot 271 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: about the family dynamic. Yet we do know there's one 272 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: assertion by her mother that she had had trouble when 273 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: she was younger. So what was that trouble was in 274 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: nature of the trouble. I think that a lot of 275 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: this will eventually be revealed and we'll know more, But 276 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: to this point, we don't know if that had had 277 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: she ever run away before? And I think that that's 278 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: something to consider because look, I mean, face it, kids 279 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: run away every day. So if you've got that kind 280 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: of background, they're gonna look at that. They're gonna say, Okay, 281 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: is this is this evidence that she has perhaps if 282 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: she's previously run away, perhaps she's done this again, and 283 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: they're going to exhaust that. But you know, as Tom 284 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: moves on with this case and over these loathies many 285 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: many weeks that she's been missing. We're talking about from 286 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: June of twenty twenty three up until they have recovered 287 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: valorious remains in November of twenty twenty three. Uh, they've 288 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: had to exhaust everything till and it's it's kind of 289 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: a narrow wing from the perspective of an investigation. You're 290 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: trying to uh, you're trying to get rid of any 291 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: kind of outliers that might not that are going to 292 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: take you down a dead end path. And I think 293 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: all paths at this point at least lead discuss I've 294 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: had so many families over the course of my career 295 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: say to me, I want to see the body. I 296 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: want to see the body, mister Morgan, and I'll try 297 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: to tell them, no, no, you can't do that. There's 298 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: too much trauma, or your loved one's remains are so decomposed. 299 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: And you know what mothers always say to me, Dave, 300 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: in those circumstances, they always say, I want to see 301 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: my baby's body because I know that I will recognize 302 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: my baby. I would recognize my baby under any circumstances. 303 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: And as it turns out with Valerie, they did find 304 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: her body, but there was no need. There was no 305 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: need for the mother to see her in the condition 306 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: in which I believe that they probably found her because 307 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: they were able to identify her in a very unique way. Actually, 308 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: the first point of identification along this horrible story was 309 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: a color fingernails. 310 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 2: Working to the documents and observe an officer actually observed 311 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: the human remains located within a box and he described 312 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 2: instantly spotting orange fingernails on the deceased body. And that 313 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: was it for all the police there. The search was over. 314 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 2: They knew right then that that was Valerie. Granted, you know, 315 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: you're going to have to go through all of the 316 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: other you have to identify this positively, and they have 317 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 2: done that now. But it was the fingernail color or 318 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: bright orange that matched a photograph they found on social 319 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: media that Valerie Tenttle posted on June seventh. So now 320 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: we're looking at this day and time where the body 321 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: found on Patrick Scott's property inside a homemade box constructed 322 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 2: of two by fours and strand boards. A second box 323 00:21:55,119 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 2: was located that contained papers and old VHS tapes. Within 324 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 2: a matter of days of Valerie Tendall going missing, patrick 325 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: Scott's barn garage burned down. That seems awfully suspicious to me, Joe, 326 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 2: that all of a sudden you have a major fire 327 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 2: where we know a missing seventeen year old spent a 328 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: lot of time. 329 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't. You know, remember he had a lawn service, 330 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: and so you would think that he'd probably keep his 331 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: equipment probably approximating that area or within that structure. But 332 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: he was actually seen Dave taking a part or disassembling 333 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: the barn, which I don't know if you've ever done this, 334 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: but I've disassembled buildings out buildings before. It's no, you know, 335 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: it's no. It's not for the faint of heart. It 336 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: takes work to do this, but to go to the 337 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: trouble to dismantle the structure that's been on the property 338 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: and then to set fire to it, you know, I 339 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: think any reasonable investigator would ask the question, what's going 340 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: on here? What was the purpose of this? Were you 341 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: planning to erect another structure? Did you have a burn permit? 342 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: You know, all these sorts of things that they can 343 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: look at and try to understand. And then how does 344 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: this area approximate the area where she was buried? Was 345 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: the debris then placed over the top of her remains 346 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: or where her remains were found? And I had a 347 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: thought about this, you know, when you're talking about cadaver dogs, 348 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm really wondering. And we all know what burn debris smells. 349 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: Like and structure materials. They have a unique smell when 350 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: you burn them. It's not like going out in the 351 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: woods and just collecting firewood, because they're treated. You know, 352 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: you've got other debris that are in there, and it's 353 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: got this unique smell. I wonder if somebody would utilize 354 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: this in an attempt to mask the smell of decomposing remains. 355 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: I wonder if that might be the case for something 356 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: like this. 357 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: I didn't think about that until right this minute, as 358 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: you were saying that. Joe didn't occur to me, But 359 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 2: we all know that human remains the decomposition it has 360 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 2: an odor that is very unique once you smell. I 361 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: hate to say this, but when you smell the dead body, 362 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: you know immediately what it is and you'll never forget it. 363 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: You know. I thought about this, and I'm thinking, you know, 364 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: if you were to be the type of person that 365 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: would go out and actually kill a seventeen year old 366 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: and you're wanting to mask it, you know how better 367 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: to do that, because maybe you're wise enough to the 368 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: point where you know that just burying them well, containing 369 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: building a container and wrapping them in plastic, by the way, 370 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: is going to be insufficient to the task, even if 371 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: you put them beneath the earth. You know, you've watched 372 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: enough TV to know that dogs are smart and they're 373 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: wise to this sort of thing based upon their spectrum 374 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: which they smell. So you're thinking, you know, is that 375 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: a possibility? Is that something that happened? But Dave, I 376 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 1: got to back up for a second, because I'm really 377 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: intrigued by this idea that they've found this other and 378 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: it is a separate adjacent box, which Scott allegedly claimed 379 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: that he had been putting stuff in since July. I think, 380 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: and what they found in there you stated were miscellaneous 381 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: papers in VHS tapes. Now, I gotta tell you, my 382 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: kids came up in the nineties. I had more VHS 383 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: tapes than I can shake a stick at. I mean 384 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: tons of them, and because they watched them constantly. VHS 385 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: tapes are fragile. And if you're going to burn something, 386 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: if you're gonna have a fire anyway and you don't 387 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: want it around, why aren't you going to burn VHS tapes? 388 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: Why not? I mean, they are easily enough destroyed. Why 389 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: would you create a separate vessel if you will, in 390 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: order to contain them? Why would you value VHS tapes 391 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: so much? And these miscellaneous papers whatever those are. But 392 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: why would you value those tapes so much that you 393 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: would put them into this separate vessel and bury them 394 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: and hold on to them. 395 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: We have a story from Patrick Scott. That's the only 396 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 2: story that we do not know cause of death. 397 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: No yet we don't. 398 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 3: All right, what am I going to find? He says. 399 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: Valerie Tendall, the seventeen year old came to his house 400 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 2: and came on to him sexually, made a pass at 401 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: him because she wanted to blackmail him over buying here 402 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 2: a new car. Yeah, she wanted him to buy her 403 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 2: a car. And I'm trying to figure out exactly you 404 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 2: know what, because if she was going to blackmail him 405 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 2: as easily just there would be no need for any 406 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: kind of sexual activity between the two. She would merely 407 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 2: just claim it and that would be the end of it. 408 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: Yes, So this is your default position. If you have 409 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old that approaches you with this proposal. 410 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to say that you try to rape me 411 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: or have a sexual relationship with me in order to 412 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: get you to purchase. So your default position is and 413 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: this is by his own admission, Dave. He takes his 414 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: belt off, which was I guess holding up his trousers, 415 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: wraps it around her neck allegedly according to him, and 416 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: begins to apply pressure, which said belt to her neck until, 417 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: according to him, this is his words, quote, she quit. 418 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: What does that mean? She quit? She quit advancing, she 419 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: quit threatening, or she quit breathing. So that's your living 420 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: that that's yeah, quit living that. That's your response. You're 421 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: you're not running out of the room and screaming from 422 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: the housetops. You know that this this young girl is 423 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: trying to blackmail me or do whatever. No, your response 424 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: is to take a belt off and wrap around her neck. Here. 425 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: Here's here's the really bizarre thing. According to the police, 426 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: he's still wearing that belt. 427 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, put it right back on, put it right back. 428 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: And continued to wear the belt. And for me, you couple, 429 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: let me just go on a limb here, and let's 430 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: just say a hypothetical, okay, hypothetical circumstance. You've got an 431 00:28:54,120 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: individual that is interested in taking the life of someone, 432 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: let's say a teenager, and you want to memorialize them 433 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: in some way because it's what you do. And so 434 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: you want to hold on to the instrument of death, 435 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: and not just hold on to it, but wear it 436 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: to hold up your trousers. And you're going to retain 437 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: VHS tapes as well and bury them not some distance, Dave, 438 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: but immediately adjacent to the remains of the seventeen year 439 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: old that he has alleged, by his own words, he 440 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: is alleged to have killed whit said belt. Something's not 441 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: adding up here for me. 442 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: Here's the problem with this story. The alleged killer says 443 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: that she was coming on to him sexually and that 444 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: she was trying to blackmail him into by buying a car, 445 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 2: so he was so put off by it. He was 446 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: so disgusted by her play for him sexually that he 447 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 2: wrapped his belt around her neck and strangled her. If 448 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 2: her play is to blackmail him into buying a car, 449 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: she wouldn't have had to make a play for him 450 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: sexually if that was the end game. The end game 451 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 2: isn't that she has sex with you and you you know, 452 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 2: then she blackmails you into buying a car. That doesn't 453 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: play right because he's claiming that they didn't do anything. 454 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 2: I'm saying, is there going to be proof now? Joe 455 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 2: this five months later, her body is wrapped in a box. 456 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: I'm assuming that her because they could tell the fingernails 457 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: were bright orange. That this young woman was not burned 458 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: in the gar in the fire. No, that her body 459 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: is it's going to be decomposed somewhat. 460 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: But could they determine that not somewhat significantly A lot? Yeah, 461 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: for folks that have I've spent time in Indiana in 462 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: the summertime, it's hot, it's humid. She went missing back 463 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: in June. And here's the other thing about the degree 464 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: to which she was probably decomposed. She's wrapped in plastic. 465 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 1: And so what does plastic do. Well, we know that 466 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: if we wrap anything in plastic, the item that is wrapped, well, 467 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: the plastic sweats, so that creates humidity, it retains heat too. 468 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: It's going to promote ongoing decompositional process. I would probably 469 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: state that at least some of her body contained. Even 470 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: though it was contained, some of her body was probably 471 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: skeletonized to a certain degree. Now that doesn't mean that 472 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: her body was disarticulated or anything like that. It just 473 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: simply means that over a period of time under this 474 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: intense heat, because there would have been heat even though 475 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: she's buried in the earth. Because of the containment of 476 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: the body, the body is breaking down and in this environment, 477 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: with the kind of this wet, humid environment contained within 478 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: the structure that he, by the way, has created with screws, 479 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: he's actually screwed this thing together. According to him, did 480 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: he make. 481 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 2: It just to the purposes of putting her body in it? 482 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yeah, that he did. He structured this thing 483 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: and it's like a homemade coffin. 484 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, Joe. Because there were disturbed 485 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,479 Speaker 2: areas all over his property. Police served fifty search warrants 486 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: related to this case. Fifty search warrants over five months. 487 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 2: We know they found areas, several areas disturbed on the property. 488 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 2: Is it possible that he was taking the box that 489 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 2: he made for Valerie Tendall and moving her body around 490 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: on the property? 491 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 3: Wow? 492 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: I haven't again, you hit me with that one. I 493 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: haven't considered that. But that's that's a heck of a 494 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: risk because you know, every t you remove this structure 495 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: that contains valories remains. First off, you're drawing attention to 496 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: yourself not only in the removal but also the digging 497 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: of another hole that is sufficient to the size of 498 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: this thing to contain it. And if they've got multiple 499 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: disturbed areas, is that what was going on was this? 500 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: Was he bright enough to go out and just randomly 501 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: dig holes and then cover them back up to throw 502 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: people off the scent. No pun its. 503 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 2: Sense, though, wouldn't it, because they found all these disturbed areas. 504 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 2: And if they're out there looking at disturbed areas and 505 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 2: the police get all excited about it, we think we 506 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 2: found something to get out there and it's nothing after 507 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 2: a while, you know, you, I don't know. All I 508 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: know is what he's telling us. And his story makes 509 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 2: no sense. That seventeen year old girl was not hitting 510 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 2: on him. That seventeen year old girl might have been 511 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 2: talking to him in a nice way. Maybe they did 512 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 2: bond according to her mother, that they had a relationship. 513 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 2: But if this seventeen year old girl, his story makes 514 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 2: no sense to me at all, the alleged killer story, 515 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: it just doesn't fly. No. 516 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 3: I mean, sim he's defending himself, Joe. 517 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 2: He is preventing this seventeen year old woman from overpowering 518 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 2: him to have sex with him so that she can 519 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,919 Speaker 2: then blackmail him into buying her a new guard. 520 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and even per his statement Dave that he has made, 521 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: he states that Valerie began to take her disrobe to 522 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: take her clothes off. Again, that doesn't marry up with 523 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: someone that is attempting to blackmail. We all know nowadays 524 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: there's people that are falsely accused all the time, and 525 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean that anyone disrobed at any point 526 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: in time. All you merely have to do is make 527 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: a statement, Okay, this individual did this to me at 528 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: this particular time. But at the time of our recording 529 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: right now, I can tell you this values remains are 530 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: apparently so decomposed or at that point where they are 531 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: still trying to validate perhaps what Scott has stated. As 532 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: far as the cause of death, they have not come 533 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: out as of the date of this recording with a 534 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: definitive cause of death for her. We're going to keep 535 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: our eye on this case and just kind of see 536 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: how this developed. See if the state police or the 537 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: local corner comes out with a statement that says definitively 538 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: that they can confirm what he has stated. Because they're 539 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: going to be looking for specific things, I'm thinking that 540 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: it is going to take much more time than perhaps 541 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: some of the authorities thought that it might, because if 542 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: you have a body that's been down this long, sometimes 543 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: you lose that. I'm Josephcott Morgan and this is bodybacks