1 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Between the Horns, presented by your Southern California 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: toil to dealers. Kimeron Or went alongside to Marco Farr 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: and our very special guest to get us ready for 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: the preseason. We got Michael Brockers in house. Yes, sir, 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: I can guarantee you this is starting. It's going to 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: be a defensive of a Between the Horns Rams of course, 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: kicking off the preseason. It's starting tomorrow at four pm 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: and Sofi Stadium against the Dallas Cowboys. 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: Remember what I told you you were my favorite Ram. Yes, 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 2: I do, and that stands true. Yes, every weekend, week out, 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: day and day out, first off of us, first at practice, 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 2: first onto the field. It's an honor to have you here. 13 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 3: Man, Thank you, thank you, Thank you for somebody of 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: your caliber to see that it means it means tremendous 15 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 3: to me. 16 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: And you look so handsome. He's really you, man, Thank you. 17 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I made for TV, man, I don't know. 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: And then tell me to dress up and put the 19 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: ear ring on. 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: Well, the good news is you said you're made for TV. 21 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: You're getting a little TV debut tomorrow. Part of the 22 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: ABC seven crew alongside JB. MJD and Meda comes. How 23 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: are you feeling about getting ready for broadcast? 24 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 4: I'm excited. 25 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 3: I'm actually excited, you know, to do to do a 26 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 3: broadcast of the team that Like I'm a fan now, 27 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 3: so like I get to watch as a fan, I 28 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: get to talk as a fan. So, uh, there are 29 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 3: some things I might say that might be a little objective. 30 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: So I'm just excited to see what what what is 31 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: all about? You know, this media side is a little different, 32 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 3: but I think I got. 33 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: You're most certainly not a fan. You know, you know 34 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: you're not a fan. You're an analyst. Yes, sir, there 35 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: we go. But I mean it's funny. I mean you 36 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: have to like learn how to be honest like a dude. 37 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 2: You like, you have to critique them, you have to 38 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: tell them. How do you think it was for me 39 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: telling you about you, watching you play and then asking 40 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: you questions after the game? 41 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 4: Same thing? 42 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: You gotta be honest, Yeah, have fun with it. 43 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean we both were both players, and 44 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest thing is like I don't 45 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 3: I'm not disrespecting you when I'm asking you these questions. 46 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: I just really want to know how you're doing what 47 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: you know what's going on? 48 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 2: Why did you suck today? 49 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 4: Right? 50 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: Well, then this is the perfect segue. Time to put 51 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: on the analyst cap. No longer a fan. As we 52 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: look ahead to this season, of course, we've got Matthew 53 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: Stafford coming back for his seventeenth year, the addition of 54 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: Devonte Adams, we talk about the emergence once more of 55 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: Puka Nakua. The defensive side of the ball is only 56 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: going to get better with the young secondary as well 57 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: as the additions in it's going to be an exciting year. 58 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: But the biggest news in the last week has been 59 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: the extension of Kien Williams three years. He is back 60 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: with the Los Angeles Rams and it's huge in so 61 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: many different ways. But why was it such a big 62 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: deal to get Kien Williams back in the backfield? 63 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: Okay, I have a thought and tell me if you 64 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 2: think I'm wrong about this. Kyroen is the type of 65 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: guy you want on your football team. He's like you, 66 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: he's a hard working dude, he leads by example, and 67 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: he's he's a damn good football player. So I think 68 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: he's earned every penny of that contract. And if he 69 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: doesn't get it, that sends the wrong message to the 70 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 2: locker room, right, you know what I mean, Like, if 71 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: you don't pay Kiren, then what why do I need 72 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: to work hard? 73 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 3: You feel the same way absolutely, You know, when you 74 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 3: have a guy like you said that that comes into 75 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: work every day and puts his you know, grabs his 76 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: pale and his lun you know, his lunch bag, and. 77 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 4: Like he's ready to work. 78 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: He's ready to you know, get on the feel and 79 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: do whatever he has to do for the team. I 80 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: don't think he he's a guy that you know, focuses 81 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 3: on self, you know, accolades. He's all about winning, and 82 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: I think that's what I love about McVeigh and and 83 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: his whole you know, his whole leadership is about it's 84 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 3: about the team first. It's about everybody giving what they have, 85 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,559 Speaker 3: uh for the common you know, same common objective objective 86 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: is to win. So I think Karen you know, fits 87 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: that that scheme perfectly. And you know, I'm glad that 88 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: he also got got his deal done and you know 89 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: he's it's a guaranteed deal three years, you know, yeah, 90 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: three million. 91 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 4: So yeah, this is what I mean. 92 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: You're not a fan because like from the fans, perspective. 93 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: You may point out the negatives of Kiren, but you're 94 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: you're you're missing all the positives and right brings and 95 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: what the energy that he brings to the football team 96 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: and how he lifts other people. That stuff is so important. 97 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: So I am so glad, and I thought he was 98 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: smart that he showed up during all this, Right, he 99 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: didn't miss a day. Right, you know, it shows him 100 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: that he's really involved and he wants to be here. 101 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: So I thought that was It was awesome to get 102 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: that deal done. Great for him, great for the football team. 103 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: You you called him a workhorse. I mean he had 104 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: the third most carries only short of Saquon and Derek 105 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: last year, and he was just one yard short of 106 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: trying to find the magical thirteen hundred in terms of 107 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: total rush yards eighty one percent of the snaps. The 108 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: question remains, he had obviously touchdown after touchdown fifteen plus 109 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: in terms of scribbage shutdowns back last two seasons. Do 110 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: they need to lessen his load? Do they look somewhere else? 111 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: That's a great question. You faced off against Saquon right 112 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: and Derrick Henry. You know, when that guy back there 113 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: is a factor. So I mean if you could be 114 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 2: a bell cow back and be a guy that carries 115 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: it every single time and still threatens the defense, that's awesome. 116 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: But for guys like I think it's smart that if 117 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: you have a secondary back that can take some of 118 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: those carries to keep him fresh, I think you get 119 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: a better Kyen Williams that way. 120 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, Like you said, I mean, I agree with 121 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 3: you if you could take the load off his legs 122 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 3: a little bit, have two back system where he can 123 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: come off to feel a little bit. 124 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 4: Because you said he had. 125 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 3: Eighty percent of the snaps, So yeah, if you could 126 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 3: take some of those snaps off his legs and have 127 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 3: somebody else take it and still get the same production, 128 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: I think that'd be good for him. 129 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, like three hundred and thirteen carries. I was looking 130 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: around the league and I think he might be the 131 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 2: only back with that many carries that didn't have another 132 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: guy that took at least one hundred, like Saquan had, 133 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts who took carries. He can run lamar obviously 134 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 2: with Derek Henry, it was Kiren and then the next 135 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: was fifty eight with Blake Korn. Wow, that's a dude. 136 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: That's playing a lot, So if you can just take 137 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 2: some of those carries away, you might get a fresher 138 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: kyen in the fourth quarter. 139 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe this is too easy of a question, 140 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: but who is that second back? And especially just considering 141 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: I look at Jarquis Hunter what he did at training 142 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: camp and he seems awfully dangerous. Is it him? Is 143 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: it Blake Korham, Ronnie Rivers? Where do you think those 144 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: other touches are going to We'll. 145 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 2: Find out tomorrow. 146 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what I like. 147 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: I mean, we will Yeah, I mean I could pick 148 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: my guy, but I mean, look, we'll find out who 149 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: wants that job. 150 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 4: You know. 151 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: I think all jobs are open when you come to preseason, 152 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. But I do like Blake. 153 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 3: I do like Blake Ran because I feel like they're 154 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 3: the same stature, kind of the same back, and you 155 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: don't lose the production that you get, you know, with 156 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: with Kirrent, So you know, having a back that you 157 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: know when you pull, you pull him off the field, 158 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: you know, and he comes in and you're like, dang, 159 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: I'm dealing with the same. 160 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: Guy again, you know. 161 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think you know, I like I like Blake. 162 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tough task. I have to go up 163 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: against the same guy. Right, Well, let's look ahead to 164 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: preseason starts tomorrow and it's gonna be filled with rookies 165 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: and a lot of guys trying to make this roster 166 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: where there are very few spots remaining. Take me back 167 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: to twenty twelve, the first time getting out on that field, 168 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: and just what you're feeling going into those games. 169 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: Man, the first thing you feel is like I'm playing 170 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: in the NFL, like I'm living my dream. 171 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 4: And then and the next thing you think. 172 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 3: I hope I don't mess this up, you know, like 173 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: that's immediately like the the next thought is like, I 174 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: hope I don't screw this up like I made it here. 175 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 3: Especially for me, I was first round pick. I don't 176 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: want to be a bust, you know. I really want 177 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 3: to come out here and show this organization why they 178 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,559 Speaker 3: drafted me. So it you know, anxiety is very high. 179 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: You know that first preseason game I screw the. 180 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: First time, I said, I'm like, damn, this is a 181 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: big dude. That's a big joker. But I remember it 182 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: was almost a philosophy by lesni. They were taking guys 183 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: early out of school so they have their rookie year 184 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: or their senior year in college or in the pros. 185 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: So that was that for me coming in. I was 186 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: like five years in school. I was ready. I felt 187 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: the same way you did just stepping foot on the field. 188 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: I'd won. I made it to the NFL. This is 189 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: rarefied there. Now I have to find a way to 190 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: stay here, you know what I mean. So the nerves 191 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: go out the night before, you're thinking about all the 192 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: little things you used to dream about as a kid, 193 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: and here you are putting on that helmet the next day, 194 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 2: and then you realize how big and how fast these 195 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: people are. Yes, yes, yes, we got to get better 196 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: from here, but yeah, it's it's a big moment. But 197 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: all that goes away once toe meets leather and you 198 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: see that ball going through there and you got to 199 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: go play ball. 200 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 201 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: So, just how important are these next three preseason games, 202 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: because obviously Rams have a tradition of not playing their starters. 203 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: You're trying to find those lasted final few spots. How 204 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: do you kind of manage the anxiety going And if 205 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: you were to go back and give advice to some 206 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: of the guys that are just about to get out there, 207 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: how important are these. 208 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 4: Games for the younger guys. 209 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: It's definitely important because you know, you want to be 210 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: locked into the game. You definitely want to be one 211 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: of those guys that that the coach and staff can 212 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 3: count on. You don't want to go out there and 213 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 3: have a bunch of busts. You don't want to go 214 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 3: out there and have a bunch of you know, mis tackles, 215 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 3: you know, plays that just aren't going to look good 216 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 3: for you on film. You only have three games to 217 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: show this team that you can make this roster. So 218 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 3: you know, it's a lot of a lot of pressure 219 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 3: on you in three games. You know, back in the 220 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: day four games, maybe you didn't do too well first game, 221 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 3: you know you can come back in the third game. 222 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: But now you only have these three press preseason game 223 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: to really showcase your skills. Not to only this organization, 224 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: to everybody else as well. All the other organizations are 225 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: watching the same film. So these are games that's highly 226 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 3: important to all the rookies, and I think they need 227 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,479 Speaker 3: to take that into perspective. 228 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: I got some great advice from a ten year VET 229 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: when I was a rookie. He called us together and said, 230 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: just all the rookies, just remember you're here to make 231 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 2: it in the NFL, not just the Rams. And that 232 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: was just one of those. It took some of the 233 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: weight off, you know, because we were getting ready to 234 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: go hunger games. We're out here fighting for a job. 235 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: It's like, hey, look, this film goes to everybody, so 236 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: you're here to make it in the NFL. It was 237 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: a calming effect. I don't remember who did you open 238 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 2: up with your rookie year in the preseason? 239 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 4: Preseason? I think it was Baltimore. 240 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: If I don't, do you remember who you first bumped 241 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: up against, because the first time I took a snap 242 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 2: in the pros, I was going against Vince Evans, who 243 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: could have been my father. Wow, he was that old. 244 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 5: That's what I mean, Like, dang, there's some old dudes 245 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 5: out here. No, yeah, do you remember who you I don't. 246 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 5: I don't recall who was going to get I remember 247 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 5: the team. I think it was Baltimore, but I don't 248 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 5: recall who was going to Okay, like. 249 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: This dude's got gray hair. This is the first for me. 250 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 4: A real man. 251 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: Tomorrow we'll get a chance to see sets in Bennett 252 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: out on the field, and it will be his third 253 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: preseason outing. We saw what he did it against the 254 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: Cowboys last year. Can't forget about that last second. It's 255 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: little side armed dagger throw to get the score even 256 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: left right, yeah, yeah, move and left. It was a 257 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: thing of beauty. What are your expectations for him getting 258 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: back out on the field for year three? 259 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: This is wild Brock. I mean for him, I know 260 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: he can move, I know he can scramble. He's that 261 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: type of guy. But anything that has that doesn't have 262 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: to do with his feet, That's what I'm interested in. 263 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 4: I hear you. 264 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: Can you run the offense? Can you drop back? Can 265 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: you keep everybody on time? I know you can get 266 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 2: out of trouble. I know you can scramble, but can 267 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: you run the offense and be credible? That's what I'd 268 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: be looking for. 269 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I agree, I agree, you know it. Can Can 270 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 3: he run off in you know, in and out the huddle? 271 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 3: You know, get the play call? Can you give the 272 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: play call to all the players? Get out the huddle fast? 273 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: You know, read the defense. 274 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 4: Like it's a lot. 275 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 3: Quarterback is hard, you know, Quarterback is really hard, you know, 276 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 3: and then so so for him to be able to 277 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 3: really have that confidence to control offense. I think if 278 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: we see that, it'll definitely know that, you know, he 279 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 3: got better this offense. I'm rooting for it, really, absolutely, 280 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 3: absolutely absolutely. 281 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: Let's set our eyes now to the offensive side of 282 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: the ball. Moving forward into the regular season, massive headlines, 283 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: obviously adding DeVante Adams into the mix. I mean, his 284 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: numbers speak for themselves. A thousand yards, receiving, eight receiving 285 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: touchdowns in each of the last five seasons. I mean, 286 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: when you put him alongside Nikua, just how good is 287 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: that pairing in the NFL ron I know, I'm gonna 288 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: say that. 289 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 3: I mean, it's crazy. I said this on Good Morning 290 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 3: Football like a couple of weeks ago. They were like, man, 291 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 3: who do you think can really challenge the Eagles this year? 292 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 3: I was like, man, those Rams are not playing and 293 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 3: nobody's really watching. 294 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 4: You know. 295 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 3: Obviously the addition of Devonte Adams, you know, was a 296 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 3: big issue, but you know, people still think like the 297 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: Rams aren't in it for some reason. I'm like, man, 298 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 3: little do you know that he's going to a great 299 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: head coach, a great found you know, foundation where everybody 300 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 3: believes in a team. It's no real you know, nobody's 301 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 3: really trying to be a headline guy, you know, always 302 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 3: trying to be the guy in the media, And I 303 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: just think this team really has it. You know, they 304 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: have all the pieces. You have a great quarterback that 305 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 3: knows how to get the guys the ball, a great 306 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 3: young defense that have been playing together. They last year 307 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: they went to the NFC Championship, Like they can take 308 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: that experience and go a long way. So I just think, 309 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: you know, it's only up from here. You went to 310 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 3: the NFC Championship. Now it's the super Bowl, you know. 311 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: So that's where I am. 312 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: That's where I'm. I don't know about you. 313 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: No, No, how many times have you seen him coming 314 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 2: the other way playing against the Matay Adams. How many 315 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: times have you been out there with. 316 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 4: Him going against him? 317 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, we went against Green Bay like two or three 318 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 3: two one year in the playoffs. 319 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 2: You know, so because I watch him on tape, and 320 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: you know, you have to keep your corners confident. But 321 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: you're watching this dude on tape, like, we can't cover 322 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: this dude, you know what I mean. But this is 323 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 2: what drives me nuts, because guys like him drive me 324 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: nuts because our job is to demoralize the quarterback right, Well, 325 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: we can't because he's out there. Because this guy always 326 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: thinks he has an outlet. Yeah, because he's always open. 327 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: That's what he drives. That's how he drives you nuts. 328 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: And he's one of the better third down receivers in 329 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: the National Football League. So that's one of the things 330 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: that you would like to change about this offense going 331 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: from last year to this year, is Matthew Stafford in 332 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: the offense has to do a better job of staying 333 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 2: on the field third down was a problem. Well you 334 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: just you have one of the best third down receivers 335 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 2: in the league since twenty twelve. That's gonna help. Plus 336 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: he can do all the other stuff so demoralizes the defense, 337 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: scores more points. Yeah, this is a positive for the 338 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: Rams big time. 339 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 340 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: We already touched on the run game talking about Kayen 341 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: will Williams in the backs, but I'd actually like to 342 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: flip it now because tight ends, it feels like that 343 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: scenario where there could be a massive improvement from last 344 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: year to this year. The least productive tight end group 345 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: in the NFL of a season ago. A healthy Tyler 346 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: Higbee yea add in t Ferg into the mix, a 347 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: guy I know you already called that name back at 348 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: the draft, but could we see more twelve personnel just 349 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: considering those guys that are going to be on the field. 350 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, let's be real. Coach McVeigh loves 351 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 3: eleven personnel. He loves to be the option to run 352 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: or pass. But when you got two healthy tight ends 353 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: that can go out there and catch the ball and 354 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 3: you can run the ball, it definitely messes with the defense. 355 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 3: So I think this year McVeigh is gonna he's gonna 356 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 3: mess with people with those personnels because you know, you 357 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: can run anything twenty one twenty one p Put them 358 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 3: at fullback or whatever, switch them out, go to tight end, 359 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 3: you know. So I think he can mix and match 360 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: the personnels this year and really trick up some defenses. 361 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: The best way I could describe it, you can't see 362 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: my feet or you can you Okay, I'll just do this. 363 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,239 Speaker 2: I'll pretend this this is me. This is a defense one. 364 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: This is me versus eleven personnel, head down, butt up, 365 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: I'm flying off the ball. This is me versus twelve. 366 00:14:59,000 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 367 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Because I don't know which way they're going, right. 368 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: It creates so much confusion on defense because they have 369 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: two tight on the field, where do we call our 370 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: strength to This guy can catch, this guy can block. 371 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: It's just a nightmare. So and it's so funny when 372 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: they hired Sean McVay, he was coming from Washington and 373 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: he was kind of a quarterback tight end guru. And 374 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: then from then on he goes to eleven personnel and 375 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: workshop with it. But I mean, I think he covets 376 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: twelve personnel. I bet he wishes he can get two 377 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: more of it. I think with the addition of t 378 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: Ferg and Higbee out there, I think you can finally 379 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: flesh out the offense the way you want to. So 380 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: I think you'll see a lot more twelve personnel this year. 381 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, just some numbers for context. Twenty twenty three it 382 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: was just four percent of snaps that they were in 383 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: twelve and twenty twenty four, there was a bump, even 384 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: considering that we were struggling from a health perspective up 385 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: to fourteen. I think obviously a lot of that had 386 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: to do with trying to find some blocking help with 387 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: a depleted offensive line. But there is one area where 388 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: I think some definite red zone threats could come into 389 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: effect again with the tight ends. Another improvement on the 390 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: offensive side at Coleman Shelton back in at center. What 391 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: does he bring apart from just continuity I play. 392 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 3: I played with him very hard work and Barry, he 393 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 3: shows up every day ready to go. Mentally, he's there, 394 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 3: he has it, and I just I just like his demeanor. 395 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he was always a guy. I 396 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 3: looked at him like, man, he works tremendously hard. You know, 397 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: he really wants that job and went up, went up 398 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 3: and got it and won a job. 399 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 4: And now he's doing really well. 400 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: I think the most important thing on the football team 401 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: is the center is the center, and a great center 402 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: solves all your problems. And if you go back to 403 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: last season and bo Lemmer, I thought did a fantastic 404 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: job as a rookie. That's a hard spot to be 405 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: in a rookie center. Does that make you salivate? 406 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 4: Right? 407 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: Right? 408 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely right. I thought he did a great job. 409 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: But it put more onto Matthew Stafford's way calling protections. 410 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 2: Make sure you have to know everything plus get the 411 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: ball off. So now that you have Coleman Shelton in 412 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: the fold, well that just takes a little bit off 413 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: Matthew staff for kind of like Kiren. It's kind of 414 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: like having a good backup. Well, you've got a great center, 415 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 2: Now you go do this. I'll do that. The offenshiul 416 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: flourish hopefully. 417 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: And now other good news too the offensive line. When 418 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: you look across the board from right to left, everyone 419 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: graded higher than at least sixty six percent. And get this, 420 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: three of those five over seventy five. That is looking 421 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: like a really solid offensive line heading into this year. 422 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: All right, you guys ready for a little deissert. 423 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: Let's go. 424 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: I figured time head over to some defense, a little 425 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: encore for Chris Hula in his second year. And it's 426 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: safe to say this group was young last year, maybe overachieved, 427 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: exceeded those expectations. However you'd like to put it, what 428 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: are some of the biggest differences and why this team 429 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: and that unit will be elevated this season? 430 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 2: Well, first, what did you think of Verse? 431 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 4: Oh? 432 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 3: I love Verse, I love Verse. I love what he 433 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 3: brought to the team. He brought that physicality, that defensive end. 434 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 3: You know it wasn't allowed. You know this game now 435 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 3: everybody wants to run around the ads and get those 436 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 3: pretty sacks. But when you can go out out there 437 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 3: and overpower a man, a man that's meant to block 438 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,239 Speaker 3: you and get to a quarterback. It just sends a 439 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 3: different type of fear into the offensive line and the 440 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: offense in itself. So for him to do that as 441 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 3: a rookie, and now knowing this is the second year, 442 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 3: he's getting more comfortable. Fisk is down there, you got 443 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 3: Kobe down there. You got be Wise on the other's end. 444 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 3: Like this defensive line group, the sleeper is a sleeper. 445 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 3: Be Wise the sleeper. Watch out for him. 446 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: He looks great, Yes, and it's funny. You know. I 447 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: asked him just to be funny. I said, I bet 448 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: you got to be sick of hearing Jared's name. He's like, yeah, 449 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, that's the watch out 450 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 2: for him. But with Jared Verse, you're right, he is 451 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 2: a math changer and it's so funny. It's like you 452 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: can run right through a wall, that's what he does. 453 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, there's a doorknob right there, Right, you don't 454 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: have to do that. But I mean, when you can 455 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,239 Speaker 2: actually physically move a guy, there's nothing you can do. 456 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 2: There's no protection you can call for that, right, he's 457 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: just beating our guys up. So I think with him 458 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: and the way he's coming to camp this and how 459 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: he's bringing guys along with him, I think this defense 460 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: has a chance to take a big, giant step forward. 461 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 2: And I know most of the I guess the criticism 462 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: comes from the back end. You know your cornerback situations. Yeah, linebackers. 463 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: I said, with a good front, A good defensive front 464 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: is great deodorant. It covers up a lot of sticks, right, 465 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And I think you have 466 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 2: a lot of guys that can put a lot of 467 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: pressure and Chris Shula, I think towards the end of 468 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: the year started to trust everyone and they got way 469 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: more aggressive. So they were they finished better than they started. 470 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 2: So if you start the way you finished, I think 471 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: this defense has a chance to really really be good. 472 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: You played with one of the greatest defenders in the 473 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: NFL for years. How do you compare him to a 474 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: young Jared First? And what you're seeing, it's. 475 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: It's hard to compare him because he's in Jared's outside 476 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 3: and was inside. But the things that they do, it's 477 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 3: put in fear in the offensive lineman. You don't know 478 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 3: what you're gonna get. He can run me over or 479 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: he can run around me. Like, I don't know what 480 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 3: to do. So that's what the offensive lineman or thinking, 481 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: like I don't know if to set you know, hard 482 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 3: set him or should I just set back, like you 483 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 3: don't know what he's gonna do. And he can do either. 484 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 3: You know, you can run you over and run around you. 485 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 3: So it's definitely it's hard to block a guy like that. 486 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, Puniford. At an end to the mix, I know 487 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna be excited to talk about him. Just what 488 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: added element does he add to that defensive line. 489 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 3: I think the energy, energy interior, you know, in the 490 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 3: interior energy run stopper. You know, it's it takes a 491 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 3: lot to block that guy. You know, I watched him 492 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 3: in Seattle for a long time. He played with the Chargers, 493 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: you know, so I'm very familiar with his game. So 494 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 3: I just love his energy. Man, he goes out there 495 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 3: and he plays a game at a high level. He 496 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: loves to, you know, do his little dances, has a 497 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: little celebrations and things like that. So I'm excited to 498 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 3: see that his addition to the D line, it's gonna 499 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 3: be phenomenal. Man, This D line, it is gonna be crazy. 500 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 3: I'm excited. 501 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: You have to get too excited, right, right, But I 502 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 2: see we see the same thing. Imagine if a fire 503 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: Hyde grew arms and legs, that's him. But the thing 504 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: that I as a defensive lineman, he really embraces the 505 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 2: nose tackle roll. Yes, you know what I mean. Yeah, 506 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 2: you're not gonna get a lot of fan fair you're 507 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: not gonna call your name a lot, But you might 508 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 2: be the most important guy on the field. You know 509 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 2: what I mean. You keep everybody clean, you keep the 510 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 2: offense honest, and something else I did not know watching 511 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: him in training camp this year. When he has a 512 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 2: chance to straighten out and pass rush, he's got some 513 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: wiggle and some go to him. So yeah, I'm with you. 514 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: I can't wait to see this d line go and 515 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 2: him go. At the same time. 516 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: He's fifth among all interior defensive linemen in terms of 517 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: his overall grade and seventh in terms of run defensive 518 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: rate five eleven, three ten. 519 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: You're spot on nose tack k right. 520 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like trying to move a brick wall. It 521 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: just ain't gonna work. We've already talked a little Jared verse, 522 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: and let's go back to the run defense, because I 523 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: think that's an area for a lot of Rams fans 524 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: where they had some question marks, And there's been some 525 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: changeover from last season and to this year. How comfortable 526 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: are you feeling heading into this twenty five season considering 527 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: you got spaces the edition of Landman really comfortable? 528 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 2: I mean some of that stuff, like with the exception 529 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: of say Kawhon Barkley, and that was a whole different deal. 530 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: That dude is from Mars. But some of those rushing 531 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: yards came from quarterbacks. And that's the thing. So I 532 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: hate to go back in my day, but back in 533 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 2: my day, most quarterbacks did not run. They were pocket guys. 534 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 2: You came up in this athletic quarterback era. Yeah, when 535 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 2: they get out, it counts against you twice. One it's 536 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 2: the first down, two it's rushing yards. I mean. But 537 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: once it seems like once they learn how to cast 538 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 2: that white net, they did a better job against those 539 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 2: running quarterbacks. But that is always going to be a problem. 540 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 3: I mean, when you have Jared versus collapse in the 541 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 3: pocket from the edge, that's what you really need. Like 542 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 3: on running quarterbacks, you need to come you know, you 543 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: need to collapse the pocket, confine it, don't allow him 544 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 3: to have any space. You know, when you get a 545 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 3: bunch of guys out there Russian on edges and he 546 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 3: can find the quarterback and find scenes. That's usually when 547 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 3: you see quarterbacks getting out. But when you have d 548 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 3: line that understands, hey, this is that let a quarterback 549 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 3: he will get out if we allow let's collapse his 550 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 3: pocket on him, make him, make him a passer. 551 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 4: It makes the game one dimensional. 552 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,239 Speaker 2: But they could be better. But it's so funny. It's 553 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: you watch rushing yards allow, it's like three hundred you 554 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: know who that was, right, right? 555 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 4: Right? 556 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? 557 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 4: Right? 558 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah guy? 559 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, actually I'm with you on that because I 560 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: did some math. The first five games last year, we 561 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: allowed one hundred and fifty seven yards per game rushing 562 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: on average. Last five though only ninety six. Now, that 563 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: does kind of eliminate that Eagles matchup in the middle. 564 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: Once that light comes on as a young player and 565 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 2: as a defense and you kind of get it and 566 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: how we all work together and run defense to me 567 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: is about teamwork in communication. And they got better as 568 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: the year went along, So yeah, it became tougher to 569 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: run on but earlier. I mean, you're learning it's hard. 570 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. 571 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 3: I mean because for me when I seen you know, 572 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 3: I played for Detroit for a couple of years, and 573 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 3: I feel. 574 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: Like we're not going to talk about that part. 575 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: What I'm saying is, you know, from that team, I learned, 576 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 3: like there's ways that team can can attack you run wise, 577 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 3: where they eliminate the D line, they eliminate they'll run 578 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 3: a duo or whatever, and they'll stretch it all the 579 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 3: way to the corner and try to make the corners tackle. 580 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: And we all know corners don't like the tackle. 581 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 3: So in order, and I agree with you, playing the 582 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 3: run is a team game. So you need your corners, 583 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: you need your safeties, you need everybody to hold their 584 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: gap in the run game for you to be successful. 585 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 3: So if we have that, I think that will be 586 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 3: very successful. 587 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: All right, guys, it's time to wrap this up and 588 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: get ready for tomorrow's action. But before we go, I 589 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: got one last question for you. Over the last two years, 590 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: the Rams have lost some pretty big identity pieces, whether 591 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: it was Donald or cup this last season or Brockers question. 592 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: If you remove McVeigh and Stafford from the equation, who 593 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: are you entrusting this team to on the player front. 594 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 2: Why would I have to remove them? 595 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: Why you're not speak speak you know. 596 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: I mean haven Stein comes to mind. He's been here, 597 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: Little Higbee's been here the longest. Guys like Kiren we 598 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 2: just talked about. I mean he is a leader, you know. 599 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,959 Speaker 2: I told Braydon fist this. Uh you're was it eight 600 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 2: and a half sacks last year? I mean that's great 601 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 2: and it's fun to talk about. I wouldn't say it's 602 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 2: a novelty, but it's fun. But now this year, this defense, 603 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: the success it depends on you doing that again, and 604 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: you're gonna be counted on to do that now. It's 605 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 2: like fun. If you got it last year, this year 606 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 2: they need it, got to have it. So it's a 607 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 2: little bit different. So young guys stepping up. Uh, Quentin 608 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 2: Lake is a guy I would say steps right to 609 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 2: the forefront. As as leaders the one thing I would 610 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 2: say about Quentin Lake you got to make more plays. 611 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 2: But as far as leadership goes, yeah, I would be 612 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 2: comfortable turning the team over to Quentin Lake. 613 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 4: I'm gonna be biased. 614 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 3: I'm biased D line wise because every year I played 615 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: I felt like the D line ran the team, and 616 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: you know it has to be Jared versus you know, 617 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 3: Braden Fist, you know, pulling forward all those guys. I 618 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 3: think the D line should be should lead this team, 619 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 3: you know, because if your D line is good and 620 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: you know they're going out and you know, balling, I 621 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 3: think nobody can really mess with your team. So if 622 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 3: we can put the pressure on the D line, because 623 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 3: we feel like that's the one unit on this team 624 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 3: that you know, has been together. They're young, they're ready 625 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 3: to go, I think we give it to them. I 626 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 3: think we'll be successful. 627 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 2: Rock He talks all the time. 628 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, And I've heard that all over the building. 629 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 3: They're like Jared talks all the time, NonStop. 630 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 4: All ways yelling. 631 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 2: They were like you. 632 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, they were like, oh yeah, you had the championship, 633 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 3: but now he beats you and being loud. I'm like, 634 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 3: oh man, so yeah, I think you give it. Give 635 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: it to the D line, put it on the D 636 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 3: lines back all right. 637 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: Well, Rams fans, we want to see you out at 638 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: Sofai at Stadium tomorrow at four pm, because well it's 639 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: time to get loud onside these guys. And of course 640 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: you can check out Michael Brockers on the ABC seven 641 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: broadcast to Marko Far will be on ESPN l A 642 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: RAMS Radio Network. 643 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: Yes correct, yes, and we can't. 644 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: Wait to see you at Sofi Stadium. 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