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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast and NFL podcast for

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Speaker 1: the Players by the players. Here is your host, fourteen

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Speaker 1: year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I'm a Nius Williams.

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Speaker 1: This podcast goes out to NFL Legends, and today we

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Speaker 1: are focusing on the NFL's greatest generation. I feel humbled

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Speaker 1: actually sitting here the guys who played in the sixties

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Speaker 1: to seventies and eighties, their stories, their take on the

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Speaker 1: current guys and the opportunities that are available to them

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Speaker 1: right now. And all you Packer lovers and all of

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Speaker 1: you that die with the cheese heads on airplanes and

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Speaker 1: all those good things, you're in for a treat. The

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Speaker 1: great Jerry Framer played with the Packers guard also from Idaho,

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Speaker 1: correct Idaho man more than potatoes probably. And then one

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Speaker 1: of the guys that played for my favorite team growing up, um,

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Speaker 1: My little league team, we were the Rams and uh

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Speaker 1: my coach try to hide me as a running back

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Speaker 1: because the teams were keen on me, so he switched

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Speaker 1: jersey switch didn't make a difference. So Larry's uncle was

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Speaker 1: my guy I really love, probably one of your teammates.

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Speaker 1: And then to my right, guys, uh, just another one

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Speaker 1: of the legends from these Southern universities, the Southern University

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Speaker 1: and being here with Harold called Michael noyon Harold. Guys, Actually,

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Speaker 1: my dad and Harold win school together at Southern University.

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Speaker 1: My dad didn't play football, but you knew about Harold

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Speaker 1: and knew about Mel Blunt and ken Ellis and those guys.

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Speaker 1: So so welcome to the Greatest Generation. We've already been

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Speaker 1: talking these as you guys know you've heard many of

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Speaker 1: that are listening. I've heard these podcasts before. This is

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Speaker 1: really like being a flower on the wall in the

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Speaker 1: locker room. And you guys have already started telling the stories.

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Speaker 1: I've already been taking notes listening to Jerry as well

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Speaker 1: as the White talking about these experienced guys. I've heard

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Speaker 1: guys who played in the sixties, seventies, and eighties be

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Speaker 1: called the NFL's greatest generation. What about that? Time in

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Speaker 1: the league's history was so special to you, Harold Well

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Speaker 1: coming out of Southern University playing and I started in

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Speaker 1: the nineteenes seventy one, leaving Jacksonville, Florida, leaving bad News Louisiana,

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting in in the first meeting we had, him said,

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Speaker 1: I was just looking around his room and said, Wow,

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Speaker 1: I'm in the NFL now. Not saying that I made

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Speaker 1: And one of the things I also remember saying, gosh,

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Speaker 1: look all these white people. You know, I've never been

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Speaker 1: I really thought about whether I could play this game

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Speaker 1: it was exciting, but looking at today, I mean, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got I got eight or nine letters from pro teams,

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Speaker 1: much should I ask for? What? What? You know? What's what?

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Speaker 1: So you know, I'll be right now. I'm a Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: it out, man, I just want to thank you guys

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Speaker 1: just scratched the surface correct exactly. We could do this

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Speaker 1: for months, so stay tuned. This is really one of

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Speaker 1: the few podcasts we've done so far with the pre

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Speaker 1: be reminded to recalibrate where we are today because we

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Speaker 1: young generation can easily forget right. They don't know, but

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Speaker 1: we appreciate what you're doing to man. I appreciate it, man.

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Speaker 1: So if we listen together, work together, we can accomplish

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Speaker 1: incredible things. Amen. I'm as Williams, thank you for listening

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