1 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,159 Speaker 1: Growing up, my sisters and I all played sports, and 2 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: this was before we had cell phones and before teachers 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: stayed after school for a long time. So if practice 4 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: was ever canceled, you just had to sit there and 5 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: wait for your parents to pick you up at the 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: normal time, unless you could get a ride with a 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: buddy that lived in your same neighborhood. Well, I lived 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: a pretty good ways from my high school. It wasn't 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: something I could walk. And one afternoon practice was canceled, 10 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: and again there were no cell phones. The office was 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: locked up tight. You couldn't even get back in the school. 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: So I was just out front and a boy came 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: up to me that I knew my mom had taught him. 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: He was always extremely nice, friendly guy. He was like, 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: oh man, you got to wait until you know, six thirty. 16 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, that's pretty bogus, but you know whatever, 17 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: he said, wait, I can give you a ride home. 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 1: So I was thrilled I'd be able to get home early, 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, have a normal dinner, maybe get some homework done. Okay, 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: that's a lie, but you know, hang out with Walt, 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: do something fun. And so he said, I'll be right back. 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: So he walked off toward the parking lot. He wasn't 23 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: gone long at all. Comes back, I jump in and 24 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: off we go, and we're playing the radio. We're laughing. Well, 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: what I didn't know is I was in a stolen car, 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: so unbeknownst to me, I unwittingly helped commit grand theft auto. 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: So a long story short, you don't always know who 28 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: you're in the car with. You don't always know people, 29 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: whether it's from school, or work or church. You may 30 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: feel real insulated, you may feel real safe because you 31 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: do recognize them, but that doesn't mean you know them 32 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: or their intentions. Preble County only has one city, eating 33 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: that's it. Three fourths of this county is farmland. They're 34 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: known for hogs and corn, their home with the Black 35 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: Walnut Festival. They are a rural way of life, but 36 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: they're close enough to Dayton and Cincinnati. If they want 37 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: to get to a big city, they can, But in 38 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: their county, very small, very rural. If you look at crime, 39 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: they say, and number one is low and one hundred 40 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: is high. For violent crime, they rank in eight. Now 41 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: I did some research. They rarely have a murder. From 42 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: two thousand and one to twenty thirteen, they had zero, 43 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: not one. So when this case occurred and it was 44 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: a triple murder, the whole county was stunned. I mean, 45 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: they don't get a murder much less three people killed 46 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: at a time. The victims Don Marker, David Smelser, and 47 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: Melinda Newcomb. They're all young people people. Two were in 48 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: their twenties, David was like thirty one. I mean, these 49 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: are young people. The crime scene was David's cabin that 50 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: has a two hundred yard driveway. Now I'm going to 51 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: tell y'all as a crime scene investigator, if I see 52 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: a driveway that is two hundred yards two football fields, 53 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: that's off the roadway, that's off the beaten path, so 54 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: I'm already thinking this is quite possibly somebody they knew. 55 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: The law enforcement agency that had this case originally was 56 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: the Preble County Sheriff's Office. On the night of October 57 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: the thirtieth, nineteen eighty seven, three people got together and 58 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: were murdered. Now, the two men knew each other, they 59 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: were kind of roommates, but the female, Melinda, she didn't 60 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: really know either one of them. Melinda was found shot 61 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: twice in the head, one right behind her left ear. 62 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: The other one kind of grazed the top of her head. 63 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: Their friend Donell was found justin side the cabin near Melinda, 64 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,119 Speaker 1: also shot gunshot wounded the head behind the left ear. 65 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: Law enforcement believes that David was murdered and Melinda and 66 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: Donnie just happened to enter the cabin afterwards and the 67 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: killer was still inside. So the killer was going to 68 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: leave no witnesses. Now, for me, when I hear all 69 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: of these folks were shot behind the left ear, kind 70 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: of sounds like a hit. That's not just random shooting 71 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: in a small cabin. The victims were not discovered for 72 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: three days, so for seventy two hours, the killer had 73 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: the opportunity to either get away, stage the scene, hide evidence, 74 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: alter evidence, and possibly get rid of the bodies. Well, 75 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: we know he didn't get rid of the bodies, and 76 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: we know there's other evidence found at the cabin that 77 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: will get to in a minute, but it seems like 78 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: he didn't try to stage the scene either. So I'm 79 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: going to bring our guests on now, and y'all, this 80 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: is such an honor for me. Greg Noble is an attorney, 81 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: a former prosecutor, an analyst with the United States Secret 82 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: Service and an advocate on this case. He has been 83 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: on this case for years and years and he has 84 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: not given up. He's hit some walls, but he hadn't 85 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: given up. Greg Noble, thank you so much for joining 86 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: us on Zone seven. 87 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: Cheryl. It's an honor. 88 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 3: Been listening for a couple months now and just very 89 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 3: excited to hear your next episode and to learn a 90 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: little bit about cold cases and investigations, and your variety 91 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 3: of guests is just stellar. 92 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it, and Honey, we've just added a 93 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: golden child, so I appreciate you being here. We're gonna 94 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: shake some trees, we're gonna try to get some attention 95 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: on this thing, and we're going to see if there's 96 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: anything that you and I can come up with to 97 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: push this case a little bit. So everybody, real quick, 98 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: when you first got involved, what were your initial feelings. 99 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: I was working with the sister of victim, Molena Newcombe, 100 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 3: and I thought, well, I'll take a look at this 101 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 3: case and see if I can make contact with maybe 102 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 3: the detectives out in Preble County, you know, see what 103 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 3: leads that they had going on, and so I, you know, 104 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: just innocently called. You know, they were nice enough allowing 105 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 3: me to come out and take a look at some 106 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: of the things that they had in their folders. But 107 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: it was apparent from the get go that you know, 108 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 3: this was a small sheriff's office that was seemingly overwhelmed 109 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 3: by having a triple homicide and their small little domicile 110 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: on Halloween very welcoming. 111 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: But at the same. 112 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 3: Time I could tell that, you know, they had attempted 113 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 3: to call Montgomery County or Dayton to help them process 114 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: the scene. They were in essence scrambling, I mean, like 115 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 3: any agency would when you're faced with such a horrific event. 116 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: Well, the bottom line is, if you don't work homicide regularly, 117 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you've got three at one time, 118 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: that's going to be overwhelming for anybody exactly. 119 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 3: And you know, this was just that strange time in 120 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: the history of law enforcement where DNA had just been 121 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: used in the US to convict somebody in nineteen eighty seven. 122 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: But it's very much in its infasy, And so as 123 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: I looked at some of the preliminary reports and items 124 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: that were available, it was apparent that, you know, all 125 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 3: or most of the blood had been used just to 126 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 3: type the donor of the blood, and so DNA hadn't 127 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 3: even entered the arena for them or a lot of 128 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: agencies at that time. And so I think that's why 129 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: struck me originally, is that it seems like Preble was 130 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 3: playing makeup in a big way. And again it's not 131 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: until about ten years later, in nineteen ninety seven, you know, 132 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: the States were contributing the DNA profiles to a central location, 133 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: you know, trying to make up for lost time, I guess, 134 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: and trying to catch up with, you know, some of 135 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: the advances in criminology. 136 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the scene a little bit. So you 137 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: have a cabin off the road, secluded in a rural 138 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: town and it's small, I mean, it's quaint. Who would 139 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: know that cabin was there? 140 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: Well, this cabin sat on about ten outbuildings of a 141 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 3: farm that was there at twenty one eighty eight West 142 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: Consolidated Road in Eden, and so there were several barns 143 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: and other outbuildings. But for the most part, if you 144 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 3: didn't know one of the residents there or know the family, 145 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: the Pooh's family that's pos who owned it, you may 146 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: not know that you know this cabin was actually, you know, 147 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 3: being inhabited by two people. 148 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 2: Who were friends at that time. That'd be David and Donnie. 149 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: And the cabin is from the eighteen hundreds. 150 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 3: That's correct. I believe the Pooh's family back in the 151 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 3: eighteen thirties and forties as they were traveling up from 152 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: Kentucky to Ohio and had built this and it had 153 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 3: stayed in the family, you know, all those years. As 154 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 3: you said, it's a very small cabin, two small rooms, 155 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 3: a living room in kind of the kitchen. For David Smellser, 156 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 3: this was a dream come true. He was a back 157 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: to nature, woodsy kind of guy who loved to hunt 158 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: and fish. He not only was a outdoors guy, but 159 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: he was a plumber who also did grinded tree stumps. 160 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 3: He was always busy filling around the cabin. And I 161 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: think he had just put some dirofoam on some of 162 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: the walls in the cabin to insulate it a little better, 163 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: getting ready for winter. And you know, up there it 164 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 3: snows quite a bit. You know. My understanding is that 165 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 3: on that Friday before Halloween, the story had gone out, 166 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: Hey there's a party going on at the cabin. Some 167 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: people had started making plans to get out there, and 168 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: I believe they met at the Stable. 169 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: Bar, which is just a couple of miles north from there. 170 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: And I believe Donald Marker, who had been staying with 171 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 3: David for a couple of weeks, he lost his driving 172 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,479 Speaker 3: privileges in Colorado, so he needed a ride. 173 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: And so it's my understanding that. 174 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 3: Mel and Donnie really didn't know each other and that 175 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: it was somewhat serendipitous. 176 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 2: If I could throw that in there. 177 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 3: For those two to meet and then to drive out 178 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 3: to the cabin, well. 179 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, you know, given the word that you 180 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: and I do sometimes, random cabin way out the woods 181 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: sounds pretty good. So I agree with David on that. 182 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the victims a little bit. So 183 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: you already kind of described David outdoorsy, you know, twenty 184 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: eight years old, you know, has this cabin that he's written. 185 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: He wants to be a farmer. He's doing the plumbing 186 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: some he's removing stumps. He's doing different jobs to make, 187 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: you know, ends meet until he gets that, you know, 188 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: perfect job. And tell us more now about Donald Donnie. 189 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 3: Donnie had recently come back to Preble County, where his 190 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 3: family was from but he was married and had several 191 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: kids out in Colorado. It's my understanding while he was 192 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: recently he had picked up a dui, and instead of 193 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 3: facing the charges, he actually came back home to visit 194 00:11:55,600 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 3: his parents. I think worked temporarily at a chicken plant, 195 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: was bouncing around a few places before his friend David said, Hey, 196 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 3: I'm staying out at the cabin on the Pooh's farm. 197 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: Why don't you come out and stay with me temporarily? 198 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 3: Donnie decided to do that, and so I think part 199 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 3: of them insulating the cabin was for David and Donnie. 200 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 3: They knew, you know, winter was coming in a month 201 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 3: or two and they needed to make it a little warm. 202 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: Donnie, it's my understanding. 203 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 3: Had been there just a couple of weeks. I'm not 204 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: sure how long he planned to stay, but he obviously worked, 205 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: you know, in the meantime, but had again a wife 206 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 3: and several small children back in Colorado. 207 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: Do you think he was running from something or do 208 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: you think he was trying to get back on his feet. 209 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 3: I think he was, in essence running away, maybe from 210 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: the dui, maybe facing a. 211 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: Fine, or you know, maybe a few days in jail. 212 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: Or something like that. 213 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 3: But at the same time, I think he was trying 214 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 3: to get back on his feet, trying to get a job, 215 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: and trying to figure out, you know, what exactly to 216 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: do with his life if he's going to stay in 217 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: Colorado or come back home to the Eden area. 218 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: Okay, that seems like a reasonable plan. Like if I 219 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: stay in Colorado, I might go to jail. I don't 220 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: want that to happen to my wife or children. But 221 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: if I go home, Colorado is not going to extradite 222 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: me over a dui. So I can work, I can 223 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: get some money up, maybe I can get a place 224 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: and bring them out. 225 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: I think that was on his mind. 226 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: So so far, everything you're telling me, I don't see motive. 227 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: I don't see why this would occur. 228 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 2: I agree. 229 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 3: I mean I think you know, if you look at 230 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 3: Donnie and mel it looks like they came into the 231 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 3: cabin and still had some of their wine coolers and 232 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 3: their cigarettes and some beer. You know, they were shot 233 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 3: and they just dropped right there. So they were just 234 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 3: inside the kids in the other room from David, and they. 235 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: Just dropped right there. 236 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: Probably didn't see or didn't know, you know, what was 237 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 3: waiting for them in the other room. 238 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: So nothing of value was taken, nobody was sexually assaulted, 239 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: so it kind of leaves us with revenge. But again 240 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm not hearing anything that would suggest these people had 241 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: an enemy at all. Certainly not Melinda. I mean, David, 242 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like would have anybody. And Donnie ain't 243 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: been there long enough. I mean, it just seems like 244 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: these are three people that got together. They were having 245 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: a good time at the stable, they didn't want it 246 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: to end, so they went to the cabin because they thought, hey, 247 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: this will be great, and then if there's going to 248 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: be a party for Halloween, this is fantastic. 249 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 3: I think they all had intentions just to party and 250 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: to have, you know, a good time, and to kind 251 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: of enjoy the Halloween atmosphere, you know, get ready for 252 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: the cold again. So this is I don't want to 253 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: see the last two roh because there's always know, football 254 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 3: and and things like that. But you've got to kind 255 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: of plan your your parties and plan different things when 256 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: you're when you're living up north, five or six months 257 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 3: of pretty cold weather, snow and slush and muck, and 258 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 3: you know, your car gets salt on it. You don't 259 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 3: see the sun for like three months, and you know, 260 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: you get kind of cabin fever. I think this was, 261 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 3: you know, one of the last beautiful days in fall. 262 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: Let's enjoy it and have a good time. 263 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: Well, your description is clear. You don't work for the 264 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: Chamber of Commerce. 265 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: That's true. 266 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: And I had a sister that moved from Atlanta to 267 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: Connecticut and she called me in April and said, what 268 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: have I done? And I said, what do you mean? 269 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: She went, it's snowing, And my mind was blown. I 270 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: was like, that's not possible. So she knew coming that 271 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: first winter was going to be something she had never 272 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: experienced in her life. But it's beautiful. She lives in 273 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: a place that looks like a movie set, and that's 274 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: how I feel every time I go north of the 275 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: Mason Dixon. It's beautiful. I was in Indianapolis recently with 276 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: the snow. I thought it was just like a snow globe. 277 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just stunning to me. And that's 278 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: how I've always felt. Of course, I've never done a 279 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: full winter anywhere either. One of the most fascinating things 280 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: to me about this whole crime scene is the cabin 281 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: was locked. 282 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 3: It does appear that the assailant or assailants did their 283 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 3: shooting and as you pointed out, didn't really move the 284 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: bodies or much of anything in the cabin, locked up 285 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: and left. But before they did that, found out years 286 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 3: later that there's a bit of blood evidence and some 287 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 3: other evidence that had some good evidentiary value. You know, 288 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: unless you're wearing a hazmat suit or something like that, 289 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 3: you're you're going to leave something behind. Fortunately in this case, 290 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 3: that happened as well. In the kitchen area where Donald 291 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: and mel were found, there's a door to the outside 292 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: and just above that there's a light, and there's latches 293 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 3: and various things, and blood was found on those on 294 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: those items, and in addition, there was some tools and 295 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 3: other things in the uh in the kitchen area that 296 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: was found with blood as well, and blood smears. In 297 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 3: the other room with where David was found, there was 298 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 3: a cigarette butt and there was also some more blood 299 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 3: that was in there. It appears that not necessarily that 300 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 3: there was a struggle, but that there is blood in 301 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 3: places that you wouldn't expect it if you killed somebody 302 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 3: and they dropped right there. Unfortunately, again in nineteen eighty seven, 303 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: you know, that blood was Hey, let's let's test it. 304 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: Let's type it, and let's let's see that. 305 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 3: You know, Mel had type A, and Donnie had Type 306 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 3: A and David had Type B. You know, most of 307 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 3: the blood was used just just to do that, unfortunately. 308 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: And that's not uncommon. I mean back then, that's what 309 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: people did. Now, the radio was on and the outside 310 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: lights were own and the door locked, so if you 311 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: just walked by, you would think somebody was home. 312 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was country music blaring, you know, all weekend, 313 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 3: and David had a dog and the dog was chained 314 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 3: up outside, and so several people were trying to enter 315 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 3: the cabin or get there the party, and you know, 316 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 3: they couldn't gain entrance. And you know, several folks described 317 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 3: kind of the music blaring and just that it was 318 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 3: very odd that David had his dog chained up. But 319 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 3: it really wasn't until that next Monday, early in the morning, 320 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 3: somebody actually looked in the cabin. 321 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 2: And realized that there were bodies there. 322 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 3: And so David was supposed to have shown up on Saturday, 323 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 3: Saturday after the Friday party, to dig some tree stumps 324 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 3: up with an individual named Doug Crow. And it's interesting 325 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 3: because mel she rented her place that she lived in 326 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 3: and eaten from Doug as well. And so when Doug 327 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 3: arrived there on Monday, he saw David's truck there, but 328 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 3: he also saw Melinda's Camaro, and he commented that he 329 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 3: was not aware that they knew each other, and so 330 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: so that was something that startled. 331 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: Him a bit. 332 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 3: But again he looked inside one of the windows and 333 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 3: saw body laying on the floor and what appeared to 334 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 3: be his blood. And so this is again on Monday, 335 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 3: around five point thirty pm. So he went from being 336 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 3: upset at David for not showing up, you know, to. 337 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: Do the tree. 338 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 3: Work and other things, to you know, panic and ran 339 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 3: to a neighbor's house and they called the sheriff's office 340 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 3: at that time. 341 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: And that's the thing. His reaction tells you. David would 342 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: normally show up. He was dependable. So we're talking about 343 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: three people in their twenties and thirties, pay in rent, 344 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: no issues with law enforcement, no issues at work, no 345 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: issues with their families. The motive is a little lost 346 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: now all of them being shot behind the left ear. 347 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: What does that say to you? 348 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 3: I think they you know, they obviously were caught off guard. 349 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 3: At the same time, I think it tells me that 350 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 3: you know, someone had decided that one or all of 351 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 3: them had to die. It's not a very merciful shot, 352 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 3: that's for sure. It's it's a way to silence those 353 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 3: who saw you know, what you've done or were getting 354 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 3: ready to do. 355 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like an assassination. And to me, again, 356 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: in the area that I described for people, I would 357 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: think that would be so unusual, extraordinarily so to the 358 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: point you should stop everything you're doing and recognize you've 359 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: got something on your hands that you will never see 360 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 1: again in your career. 361 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially at that time in the nation's history. You know, 362 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 3: multiple killings were relatively rare thing right away, you know, 363 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 3: very unusual. At the same time, it looked as if, 364 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 3: you know, maybe someone had targeted David who lived at 365 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 3: the cabin, and then the other two. I don't want 366 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 3: to say happened to be in the wrong place at 367 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 3: the wrong time, but we're not necessarily expected to be there. Unfortunately, 368 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 3: you know, they paid with their lives. 369 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: Well, I think where their bodies were found suggest that. 370 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: But to me, if you're in the far bedroom and 371 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: you've just murdered David, and then Donnie and Melinda walk 372 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: in and they're not expected. It would almost beg one's 373 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: going to be shot in the arm, one's going to 374 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: be shot in the stomach, the shoulder, because you would 375 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: be shooting wildly to stop that witness. But that's not 376 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: what happened. It appears that somebody went to them, got 377 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: behind them and shot them both identical and Melinda twice 378 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: just to be sure. 379 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: It's very sad. 380 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 3: And you know, when I look at David's body, he's 381 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: kind of got his arms raised up as if almost 382 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 3: to either run away or defend off what's getting ready 383 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 3: to take place, so he looks like he's trying to 384 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 3: flee or he's. 385 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: Trying to put hands up or something like that. 386 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: Well, the reality is, if David had already been murdered, 387 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: between Donnie and Melinda, one of them had to be 388 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: killed first, so the other one absolutely knew what was coming. 389 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 3: But again, when you look at the scene there, you know, 390 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 3: mercifully they just drop what they had in their hands 391 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 3: and fell right there. So it doesn't look as if, 392 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 3: you know, there was a struggle or a fight that 393 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 3: took place or anything like that. So it was you know, 394 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 3: a fairly quick process. 395 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: I understand, once the shot goes off, it's quick. But again, 396 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: if they walk in the door and the killers on 397 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: the other side of the house, he has to come 398 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: to them and get behind them. So again that suggests 399 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: to me that this person, very calculated, very deliberately, did 400 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: not just shoot them to silence them, but assassinated them 401 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: to silence them. 402 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 3: It appears that, yeah, they he definitely entered the coup 403 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 3: de gras so to speak for both of them, and 404 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 3: knew exactly what he was doing. So it tells me 405 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 3: this is definitely not this person's first attempt at this 406 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 3: for shooting first wounding, they've probably done it before, and 407 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 3: you know, they were fairly calm about it. 408 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: Now, Greg, there was a phone call a couple of them. 409 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: Why did you tell us about that? 410 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 3: This was really about the in part of twenty fifteen 411 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 3: that I decided to call on Sheriff Mike Simpson, Purble 412 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 3: County Sheriff. I called him up and said, Hey, I'm 413 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 3: coming to Ohio to visit family. I'd like to talk 414 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: to you about the triple homicide. 415 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: And so he. 416 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 3: Invited me over and you know, we had a really 417 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 3: nice conversation about, you know, getting the evidence DNA tested. 418 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 3: I was overjoyed that, you know, number one he talked 419 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 3: to me, and number two he'd consider resubmitting it for 420 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 3: this type of testing. And it just so happens. Several 421 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 3: months later, I talked to Sheriff Simpson again and he's like, 422 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 3: you know, it's the weirdest thing. Just about every year 423 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 3: or every other year, there's a older male that calls 424 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 3: the office and says he's got information about the triple homicide. Unfortunately, 425 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: he doesn't leave much information and there's really, you know, 426 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 3: no no way that I can get in contact with him. 427 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 3: And so it was very frustrating for a couple of 428 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 3: years for Sheriff Simpson, because you know, it's nice to 429 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: get re engaged in, you know, in an investigation on 430 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 3: two different fronts, one being a potential eyewitness or you know, 431 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 3: someone who's heard something, and then the other one being 432 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 3: you know, the actual evidence. He called me, I think 433 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 3: it was in twenty sixteen and said he was finally 434 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 3: able to make contact with this person and that this 435 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 3: person told him a pretty remarkable story that in my mind, 436 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 3: explained a lot about what happened Halloween nineteen eighty seven, 437 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 3: Jarf Simpson told me that he talked to an individual 438 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 3: who was aware of a potential motive for the whole 439 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 3: triple homicide and that it appears a neighbor that lived 440 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 3: in the area actually thought that his wife and David 441 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 3: Smelser were having some type of a relationship that he 442 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 3: obviously didn't approve of. The story was told that this 443 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 3: individual was insanely jealous, hired somebody to silence David and 444 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: kind of to make him pay for things he may 445 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 3: or may not have done. 446 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 2: To this individual's wife. 447 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 3: So we went from really having, you know, not much 448 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 3: going on on this cold case and it just getting colder, 449 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 3: you know, by the month, to having a story that 450 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 3: was reasonable as to why this may have happened, and 451 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 3: then saying husband in addition to some things going on 452 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 3: with DNA technology. 453 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: No, Greg, did the caller give any information that he 454 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: could not have just gotten from the newspaper. Was there 455 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: anything that made law enforcement go, wait a minute, this 456 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: dude might be credible. 457 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 3: He had a specific description of things that were being 458 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 3: exchanged between this husband and a potential hitman or a 459 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 3: person that may do the shooting, and also just telling 460 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 3: who was at this particularicular meeting or conspiracy to commit murder, 461 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 3: and some of the things that were said also potential 462 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 3: ways that the husband could cover his tracts, so to speak, 463 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 3: put some distance between himself and the events that took 464 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 3: place over Halloween. 465 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: That's a pretty good twist, Greg. 466 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 3: Sure is it definitely made my year. 467 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: And so you still have a piece of evidence that 468 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: you think Mike could possibly generate, a profile that Mike 469 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: could possibly lead you to the perpetrator. So let me 470 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: ask you this, is there anything you need from our 471 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: community at large? Do you need funds to be raised, 472 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: do you need more national attention? 473 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 3: Do you need what you know? My understanding is that 474 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 3: Proble County. I think part of the reason and the 475 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 3: hesitancy over the years that they've not gone kind of 476 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 3: full bore on this investigation is that the cost of 477 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 3: processing the evidence, doing various DNA tests and you know, 478 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 3: these tests changing over the years, and the fear that 479 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 3: you know, how much is this really going to cost? 480 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: And where does that end? 481 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 3: Because even the DNA was was looked at and unfortunately 482 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 3: there were no hits that came back as to who 483 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 3: contributed the DNA, and so you know, then you're in 484 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 3: a situation where you know, you might have to hire 485 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 3: a genetic genealogists or other experts funds to do some 486 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 3: of these DNA testing procedures. Would would very much be 487 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 3: you know, a wonderful thing to happen in this case, 488 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 3: and more importantly, just just the attention that you know, 489 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 3: a national audience like yours could could bring to bear 490 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 3: on this, because you know, even though we do have 491 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 3: a witness who had a pretty good description of murder 492 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 3: for hire or conspiracy, we know that there are other 493 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 3: people out there that have spoken to some or several 494 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 3: of the individuals involved, whether they were bragging or boasting 495 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 3: or confessing or you know, dealing with psychological problems from 496 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: you know, being involved. 497 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 2: In such a terrible thing. 498 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 3: So, you know, we do believe that there are still 499 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 3: people out there who have big or small knowledge about this. 500 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 3: You know, we would love to talk to you get 501 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 3: some more information from well. 502 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: Chances are somebody that has connections to a hitman has 503 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: done other things, and he's connected to other criminals, and 504 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: he's connected to people that are probably afraid of him. 505 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: So there's a great opportunity for some people to come 506 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: forward and listen. You know, I happen to know some 507 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: extraordinary people. So I think we go to work, you 508 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: and I, and we figure out how to raise them money, 509 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: and we figure out how to approach you know, Sheriff Simpson, 510 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: because I am in my mind right now seeing a 511 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: press conference where not only he can announce an arrest 512 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,959 Speaker 1: or conclusion in a cold case that his daddy was 513 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: a part of. That would be a tremendous event. And 514 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: then for these three families, I think it's necessary for 515 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: them to have some answers. And you know, I know 516 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: you have spoken with the family and you're connected and 517 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: you've been advocating, But I want them to know when 518 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: they listen to this that you walked into my police 519 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: department years ago and we were talking about counterfeit money. 520 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: That's why you were there. And the next thing we know, 521 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: we're talking about cold cases and you and I were like, yeah, 522 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: we could probably do something on this. But you have 523 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: been working on this thing, and I want the family 524 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: to know that, whether it's this piece of evidence with 525 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: DNA or it's you know, getting a different type warrant, 526 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: or looking at this thing from a really unique perspective 527 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: of how you could get it solved. I think that 528 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: speaks to not just the kind of law man you are, 529 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: but I think it also speaks to the kind of 530 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: person you are. 531 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 2: Well. 532 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 3: Thanks, I appreciate that. And yeah, working cold cases is 533 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 3: it's addicting. At the same time, it's very frustrating because 534 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 3: things that you see so clearly other people don't see. 535 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 3: But I knew when I got to know you, and 536 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 3: I knew your network and the success that you've had 537 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 3: on various levels, that you were definitely a person that 538 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 3: would be very much needed and necessary and just to bounce, 539 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 3: you know, evidentiary and other ideas off of you because 540 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 3: you've you know, you've been a CSI, you've been a 541 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 3: little bit of everything. 542 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: You've been a bouncer and. 543 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: Know you my husband likes to tell people I get 544 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: fired a lot. But here's the reality. I think you 545 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: and I have got a great plan. And we did 546 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: talk all air about a few things because we don't 547 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: want to play our cars. We want to keep them 548 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: a little close to the vest. But I appreciate you 549 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: and we're going to dance. This is gonna be good. 550 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 3: It's going to be wonderful. And I do appreciate all 551 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 3: that you've done and you will do, and I'm excited 552 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 3: to see you know what kind of feedback from from 553 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 3: your listeners. And again, I just think the Zone seven 554 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 3: is just a wonderful podcast and its reach is pretty amazing. 555 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 3: So continued success to you on that. 556 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: Greg Noble, I appreciate you. And I'm going to end 557 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: Zone seven the way that I always do with a 558 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: quote from somebody from my Zone seven and this quote 559 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: comes from Detective That's Velasquez, retired Atlanta Police Department and 560 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: the star of atl Homicide and then says, keep motivated. 561 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: Even when you run out of leeds, there's always another 562 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 1: one around the corner. Just turn that way. I'm Cheryl 563 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: McCollum and this is Zone seven.