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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? Why did eight year old

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Speaker 1: at crime online dot Com. It's a cold February morning

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Speaker 1: in the teens when Long Island Police get a call

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Speaker 1: his home. When detectives arrived, Thomas Valvo's father is performing

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Speaker 1: determined the boy's head and facial injuries are inconsistent with

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Speaker 1: the account of what happened once more. The boy's body

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Speaker 1: temperature is just seventy six degrees. Joining me an all

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Speaker 1: for w DBO Ray Kimputo, Ray Kipputo, tell me who, what, where, when? Why?

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Speaker 1: Let's are with who? Who is the dead child? Well done?

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Speaker 1: Child is a precious little boy named Thomas Volva. He

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Speaker 1: Death investigator. It was a developing story and it was

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Speaker 1: that's one thing. But for your body temperature to be

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Speaker 1: right there. How does your body get down to seventy

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing that children were visibly dirty, they were starving.

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Speaker 1: I want to go to you. Joe's got Morgan weight

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Speaker 1: an investigative standpoint, Nancy, there is a lot that we

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Speaker 1: to those injuries that he had on his head, those

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Speaker 1: aren't the only injuries he had, Nancy, I can almost

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Speaker 1: guarantee you that they're not. So what you can do

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Speaker 1: is actually age in these injuries. There's also gonna be

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Speaker 1: evidence of things like in my understanding, the word malnourishment

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Speaker 1: The teeth will rotten, sometimes they'll fall out because of

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Speaker 1: lack of food. You'll get receiving gumblines as a result

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Speaker 1: of this, and the aging of the bruising. Remember that

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Speaker 1: interview that we heard just a moment ago where mom

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Speaker 1: talking about smacking them on the bottom. Well, how many

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Speaker 1: of these injuries have occurred, and we can age those bruises.

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Speaker 1: And then finally, you know, going back to malnourishment, and

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Speaker 1: this is what I'll say about it. You'll see things

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Speaker 1: with malnourishment. First off, obviously, in Thomas's case, you could

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Speaker 1: see an absence of fat. And we people talk baddly

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Speaker 1: about fat. We need fat, we need fat as energy storage,

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Speaker 1: and we need fat as insulation. This kid would not

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Speaker 1: have had this there, and you would have seen a diminishment,

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Speaker 1: there would have been skin changes where skin looked literally

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Speaker 1: going to be a horrific picture that will be painted

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Speaker 1: in court relative to all not just Thomas, but all

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Speaker 1: insidious here. Doctor Jeff had mentioned just a moment ago,

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Speaker 1: how you know they have these cameras in there and

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Speaker 1: this picture that we're painting Nancy. I want to use

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Speaker 1: the word here. These people seem like sadist, not satanist,

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Speaker 1: but sayist, where they're literally watching their kids go into

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Speaker 1: total and complete physical and mental diminishment. Guys, take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our friend Jennifer mcclogan at CBS two. Still

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Speaker 1: the three sons moved in with NYPD, father Michael Valva,

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Speaker 1: and fiancee Angelo Paulina twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen twenty

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Speaker 1: Calls from East Marrige's teachers to child protection hotlines, missing school,

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Speaker 1: black eye lacerations, hungry, visible dirt on body, you're in

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Speaker 1: soak clothing. Father blame this on playground mishaps. The special

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Speaker 1: led teacher wrote not allowed to eat breakfast because they

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Speaker 1: did not use their manners. Five suffix CPS case workers

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Speaker 1: investigated the series of reports in twenty nineteen and concluded

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Speaker 1: did not rise to level of immediate or impending danger

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Speaker 1: of serious harm. No controlling interventions are necessary at this time.

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Speaker 1: Over and over and over, Child Protective Services drops the ball.

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Speaker 1: Now the mother says, no one would listen, No one

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Speaker 1: would listen. Back out to you, Ray Kaputo, what was

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Speaker 1: the judge thinking? And what do we know about what's

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Speaker 1: happening to that judge. Well, the judge is being reviewed

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Speaker 1: right now. I believe, as you mentioned, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's just astonishing. I don't know anybody can have faith

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Speaker 1: a mom crying out. The mom even had like a

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Speaker 1: city school teacher who was her neighbor come out. You know.

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Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe that this person could

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Speaker 1: have ignored all these these flags and still been virtuous

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Speaker 1: over this. I mean, to me, none of this makes sense, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: absolutely none of it. And you know, just to tell

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Speaker 1: you we get with the torture that was going on.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's reserved for rogue countries, what they do

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Speaker 1: to prisoners of war, not an NYPD officer doing it too.

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Speaker 1: It's eight year old autistic kid, and it's hard to

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Speaker 1: believe that this judge couldn't have caught wind of any

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Speaker 1: the mom. It's just all astonishing. Even with the biomem

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Speaker 1: telling her to be Quay stopped talking, that she was

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Speaker 1: the one that was not complying. Why because daddy was

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Speaker 1: on the police force. Why has this happened? I want

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Speaker 1: you to take a listen. Here she is talking to

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Speaker 1: Christian Thorne w ABC seven. Justina Zuko Valva says no

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Speaker 1: one listened to her or her eight year old son,

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Speaker 1: Thomas Valva about alleged abuse at the hands of Thomas's father,

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Speaker 1: Michael Valva. The forty year old NYPD officer, and his fiancee,

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Speaker 1: Angela Paulina have been charged with murder. Police say last

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Speaker 1: week the couple left the boy, who had autism, overnight

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Speaker 1: in the garage of their Center Morich's home, when it

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Speaker 1: was only nineteen degrees out at the time of his

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Speaker 1: arrival at the hospital, Thomas's body temperature was seventy six degrees.

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Speaker 1: In last days, we learn of a multi million dollar lawsuit.

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Speaker 1: A two hundred million dollar lawsuit filed by the mom

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Speaker 1: and names the principal at Thomas's school, the Union, the

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Speaker 1: East Mauritius Union Free School District, the district's superintendent as defendants,

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Speaker 1: along with Nassau County Supreme Court Justice Judge Hope Shorts

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Speaker 1: Zimmerman that reportedly made that fateful decision to give the

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Speaker 1: boys back to dad, attorneys Donna McCabe Ethan Halpern, who

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Speaker 1: had been appointed to represent the children in court. The

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Speaker 1: lawsuit also names the county attorney for Suffolk County Department

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Speaker 1: Social Services, including Thomas's father, Michael Valva, and his fiance

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Speaker 1: his live in Angela Paulina. Why defacts Department Family Children's Services, judges, enablers,

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Speaker 1: court appointed lawyers can't get hard jailed time for standing

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Speaker 1: by and watching this little boy literally starve and freeze

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Speaker 1: to death. I don't know. We wait as just as sunfalls.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crimes Stories, signing off goodbye friend,