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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In the Last Days. A bombshell move in the case

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Speaker 2: of the so called real estate Bros. Three brothers rolling

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Speaker 2: in money charged with sex trafficking and rape. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 2: in the last days. A federal judge throws out a

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Speaker 2: lawsuit filed in New York accusing the brothers of rape.

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Speaker 2: That's right, even though they're under federal indictment for multiple rapes.

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Speaker 2: A lawsuit filed in New York claiming real estate moguls

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Speaker 2: towel or in an Elain Alexander rape to.

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Speaker 1: Woman was thrown out?

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Speaker 2: Why US District Judge Lewis Kaplan of the Southern District

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Speaker 2: of New York rule the rape accusation by Angela Parker

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Speaker 2: against the brothers would have taken place too long ago,

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Speaker 2: falling outside the state statutes of limitation. For the case

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Speaker 2: to move forward, the rape would have had to have

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Speaker 2: happened after June eighteenth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Isn't there a way to toll the statute?

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Speaker 2: What is at the heart of the allegations against the

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Speaker 2: so called real estate Bros.

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Speaker 3: A trio of brothers, luxury real estate agents to the

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Speaker 3: super rich indited on federal sex trafficking and battery charges.

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Speaker 3: Claims go back more than.

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Speaker 2: A decade, claims going back more than a decade.

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Speaker 1: Try two decades. Now, forty women that we know of.

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Speaker 2: The claiming these filed the rich real estate moguls took

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Speaker 2: part in rape after rape after systematic rape, and that

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Speaker 2: the allegations go back to when they were in a

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Speaker 2: high school. All that money, all that privilege and education

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Speaker 2: has bought them a one way ticket to Hell with

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Speaker 2: a pitstop and the federal penitentiary.

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Speaker 1: That's my prediction.

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Speaker 2: But I want you to hear what Damian Williams, the

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Speaker 2: US attorney, has to say.

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Speaker 4: The Alexander brothers and other men they planned the trips

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Speaker 4: with paid for the flights or accommodations for the women

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Speaker 4: on these trips, and at times the defendants handpicked the

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Speaker 4: women to invite. At other times they used paid party

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Speaker 4: promoters to source women for them. The indictment also alleges

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Speaker 4: that in advance of these events, the Alexander brothers and

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Speaker 4: others procured drugs that they agreed to provide to the women,

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Speaker 4: including cocaine, mushrooms, and GHB.

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Speaker 1: As we allege that these drugs.

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Speaker 4: Caused some of the women to be physically unable to

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Speaker 4: fight back or to escape.

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Speaker 2: Now you know why they're calling it the new ditty

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Speaker 2: or should I say the new ditties? Now that's what

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Speaker 2: the US attorney he is saying for the US is

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Speaker 2: tread for the Southern district. But I want you to

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Speaker 2: look at orin Alexander on the founder.

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Speaker 1: Having the abilities to work with my brothers, have a

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Speaker 1: partner with your brother. Just think about that for a second.

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Speaker 3: It's the biggest issue you have in partnership is trust

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Speaker 3: and knowing that.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to.

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Speaker 1: Worry, honey, you got something to worry about.

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Speaker 2: Now, what if your brother flips on you and testifies

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Speaker 2: against you.

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Speaker 1: Let's just analyze what we just heard. And that's where

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Speaker 1: our friends.

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Speaker 2: That from the founder on YouTube, that's or an Alexander

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Speaker 2: one of the and I mean filt the rich rolling

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Speaker 2: in money, that's or an Alexander quote. Having the ability

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Speaker 2: to work with my brother, to have a partner who's

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Speaker 2: your brother, you know, just think about that for a second.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry, I'm thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: The biggest issue you have in partnership is trust and

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Speaker 2: knowing you don't have to worry.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what happened with me? An All Star panel, Let's

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Speaker 1: get to it straight out to.

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Speaker 2: Christina Yo joining US national news anchor Salem News Channel.

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Speaker 1: Christina, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: I'm really curious about how much money these two have,

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Speaker 2: and this goes all the way back. Their family is wealthy,

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Speaker 2: their grandfather wealthy, blah blah blah blah, kind of like

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Speaker 2: Luigi MANGIONI just all that money to silver spoons in

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Speaker 1: And yet this what happened, Christina.

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Speaker 5: You know, actually I think it started way back when

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Speaker 5: they were in high school. As people are now starting

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Speaker 5: to come out and say that they actually had a

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Speaker 5: sex fan that was parked in front of their parents

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Speaker 5: forty million dollars beachfront of state where the boys, the

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Speaker 5: brothers in high school would take women to have sex

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Speaker 6: In front of their parents' house.

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Speaker 5: So this has been behavior that has been encouraged, perhaps

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Speaker 5: by their parents, all the way through. Then you add

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Speaker 5: the hundreds of millions of dollars and properties that these

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Speaker 5: much running around town doing anything that they want, including

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Speaker 5: according to prosecutors drugging women raping women. Each brother has

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Speaker 5: separately been accused of at least ten rapes, ten forcible

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Speaker 5: rapes by women, and prosecutors are saying that.

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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, Christina, Christina Ohio, hold on, don't wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: we were just looking at them. Karen Stark, why is

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Speaker 2: it so hard for people to believe that super wealthy,

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Speaker 2: college educated, great job guys can commit heinous crimes. That's

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Speaker 2: what he posted on his own Facebook.

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Speaker 7: Go ahead, well, I really believe Nancy, and people see

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Speaker 7: this outward of parents. They're dressed so well, they look

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Speaker 7: so terrific that they buy that that they believe that

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Speaker 7: that's what they really like, and they have no idea

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Speaker 7: what's going on behind the scene. And actually the fact

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Speaker 7: that he says he trusts his brother, I was thinking, yeah,

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Speaker 7: they trust. All of them trust each other in supporting

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Speaker 7: the crimes that they committed, which made it even worse

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Speaker 7: because they were encouraged.

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Speaker 2: Nima Ramani is joining US high profile lawyer out of

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Speaker 2: the California jurisdiction and for my purposes, former federal prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: president of the West Coast Trial Lawyers and author of

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Speaker 2: Harvard to hashtag Nima, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Many people not familiar with our world of crime would.

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Speaker 1: Say, hey, why do they have to rape women? With

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Speaker 1: good looks?

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Speaker 2: Of course they're not attractive to me. I think they

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Speaker 2: look like Satan himself. But with good looks and all

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Speaker 2: that money, they could get any woman they want, so

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Speaker 2: why rape a woman? That kind of argument has actually

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Speaker 2: worked on jury's before, Nima, it has.

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Speaker 8: But Nancy, this isn't just having sex with women. We're

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Speaker 8: talking about drug induced orgies. Right. We're multiple men, including

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Speaker 8: the two others, are allegedly having sex with the same woman.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, women might want to have sex with a handsome,

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Speaker 8: having an orgy and they are being violated by multiple men.

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Speaker 2: Your speaking sense to me, Yes, I know that. That's

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Speaker 2: my point, Nama, I'm like two steps beyond that. Of course,

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Speaker 2: what you just said is right. What I'm saying is

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Speaker 2: it would be argued to a jury just look at them.

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Speaker 2: Why would they have to source women with a pr

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Speaker 2: because they could get any woman they want. Therefore, ergo

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Speaker 2: they're innocent.

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Speaker 8: It's not just any woman, Nancy. They need new women

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Speaker 8: every single night, and they want to do things to

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Speaker 8: these women that a lot of women wouldn't consent to. Now,

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Speaker 8: obviously this is a family show, so I'm not going

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Speaker 8: to get into all that. But that's why they're using

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Speaker 8: drugs like GHB to drug these women so they can't

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Speaker 8: say no. That's what this is all about. And Zatal

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Speaker 8: as old as time doesn't matter if it's the Alexander Brothers, Diddy,

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Speaker 8: I can see that.

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Speaker 2: I'm clearly I think you and I have a communication

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Speaker 2: problem because you're just basically saying everything that I say.

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Speaker 2: I'm Linn Shaw helped me out here, founder executive director

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Speaker 2: Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending sex attacks on children and women.

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Speaker 1: Lynn Shaw.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to make the point that the argument will

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Speaker 2: be made by the defense. I already know the facts

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Speaker 2: is presented by the state. Everything that Ramani just said,

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Speaker 2: I get it. I've read the indictment. Okay, the defense

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Speaker 2: is going to argue at trial they don't need to

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Speaker 2: rape women.

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Speaker 1: They can get any woman they want. Therefore, this is consensual.

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Speaker 2: That's bs it's argued in so many rape cases.

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Speaker 9: I call them the Alexander brothers crime family, and I

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Speaker 9: call these Dirty Diddy complicit wannabes. Listen, the egos are

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Speaker 9: so big they're out of control. Again, this is the

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Speaker 9: same story we heard with Ditty and others facing charges

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Speaker 9: like this, that so many vulnerable girls and women. I'm

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Speaker 9: gonna throw in the girls again. I wish we could

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Speaker 9: get down to were there any miners involved, but that

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Speaker 9: will unfold at some point. They want to see and

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Speaker 9: live this lifestyle. Many of these women were approached online

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Speaker 9: complete strangers, and they said, we'll fly you out, we'll

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Speaker 9: give you hotels, we'll give you parties, we'll give you clothes,

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Speaker 9: and vulnerable people girls especially, really want to experience this.

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Speaker 9: I'm here to say if this case can help us

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Speaker 9: educate the general public, because we're hearing about all these

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Speaker 9: you know, Dirty Ditty, We're hearing about Tape Brothers, We're

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Speaker 9: hearing about Jeffrey Epstein, we're hearing about now these criminal

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Speaker 9: Alexander brothers.

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Speaker 1: If it could, if it.

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Speaker 9: Could water down eventually, my hope is to everyday cases

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Speaker 9: that are happening, that nobody will ever hear those victims,

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Speaker 9: see those victims, so we can educate everybody when they

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Speaker 9: offer you something like this, this lifestyle for free, They're

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Speaker 9: going to fly you somewhere run in the other direction.

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Speaker 9: This is again their powers, their money, their egos, their homes,

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Speaker 9: overtaking people's common sense. We have to do better educating

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Speaker 9: the public, girls and women about all of this.

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Speaker 2: Their family wealth has been estimated, correct me if I'm wrong, Christina,

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Speaker 2: a whyo joining me from Salem Use Channel over one

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen million dollars.

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Speaker 5: Correct, And I'm I'm sure that's even more than that is.

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Speaker 5: The parents have offered to put up to one billion

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Speaker 5: dollars to get their three boys out of prison, out

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Speaker 5: on bail. They've even offered to put them up in

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Speaker 5: a second story apartment complex where they're jail time, pre trial,

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Speaker 5: that has no beachfront, that has no luxury that's you know,

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Speaker 5: guarded twenty four to seven h guard way.

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Speaker 2: Whoa whah, white white white Christina, Wait, did you say

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Speaker 2: the parents want to get them out of jail on

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Speaker 2: a billion as in brother b brother billion dollar bill.

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Speaker 2: And the.

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Speaker 1: Jail is because they don't have a.

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Speaker 5: Beach, they won't have a water view, they won't have

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Speaker 5: any orgies, and it won't be luxuries so that's what

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Speaker 5: they're considering to be jail. And yes, up to one

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Speaker 5: billion with a beach is what they're willing to put

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Speaker 5: up to get their three sons out of prison.

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Speaker 2: Bill Day, it's the ditties, It's the new ditties because

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Speaker 2: all the money procuring the women, making other people be

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Speaker 2: your hench person to bring women to you, to drug

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Speaker 2: them and rap them. Those are the allegations that presumed innocent.

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Speaker 2: But also is Luigi Manngioni all over again. Here is

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Speaker 2: a rich brat kid whining about how US common people

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Speaker 2: have to live with the healthcare industry while he's in

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Speaker 2: a beach front Hawaii luxury high rise condo. His great

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Speaker 2: grandparents and grandparents broke their backs coming to this country

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Speaker 2: and becoming millionaires, working up from nothing nothing, passing it down,

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Speaker 2: so Luigi Mangioni could wind in his luxury condo.

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Speaker 1: These two same thing, Bill.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, And in this case, they've actually built their business,

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Speaker 10: so they've built their brand. They now feel omnipotent. I

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Speaker 10: mean they have money, they're they're traveling with celebrities, they're

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Speaker 10: flying on private jets. You know, they're selling these huge,

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Speaker 1: Guess what, I got a superseding indictment.

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Speaker 1: These rich brats. That means, hey, we have one go

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Speaker 2: We're issuing a revised, a new and improved indictment with

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Speaker 11: Called real estate Bros. There are three Alexander brothers. Two

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In the Last Days a major blow to an alleged

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Speaker 2: But wait a minute, the Feds have a massive indictment

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Speaker 1: What's that all about.

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Speaker 12: In a fifteen million dollar Upper east Side townhouse, the

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Speaker 12: Alexander Twins Orin and Elon celebrate their twenty eighth birthday.

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Speaker 12: Celebrants are greeted by a nearly naked woman on display

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute.

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Speaker 2: A fifty million dollar Upper east Side townhouse, the real

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Speaker 2: estate bros celebrate their twenty eighth birthday. Celebrates greeted by

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Speaker 1: Dripping hot wax on her. Deja vous? Huh does this

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Speaker 1: Diddy? There, you are nothing like eating soush.

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Speaker 2: You off a naked lady on display for the rich

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Speaker 2: Listen to the US Attorney for the Southern District, Omni.

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Speaker 4: Or the Alexander Brothers, sometimes acting alone, sometimes with each other,

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Speaker 4: As the indictment alleges, the Alexander Brothers sex trafficking agreement

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Speaker 4: social events, and dating apps. These assaults allegedly had many

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Speaker 1: It's really a lot to take in.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: Very often, as a former prosecutor prosecuting nothing but violent felonies,

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Speaker 2: I would catch myself wondering why, for instance, why not

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Speaker 2: sodomize them in a party, in a party setting with

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Speaker 2: about five years into that kind of thinking, why ask why?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I had one job to seek the truth.

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Speaker 1: Who did, what, where, when? And why?

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Speaker 2: Why not so much to Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining us, Karen,

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Speaker 2: it's not about sex.

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Speaker 1: That's a simple answer for me.

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Speaker 2: Why don't the real estate bros with all their money

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Speaker 2: and all their high rise.

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Speaker 1: To just go date somebody and have a sex life.

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Speaker 1: It's not about the sex.

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 7: It's a perversionancy. They're getting off on raping, sateomizing. A

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Speaker 1: Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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Speaker 2: These wild extravagance parties that cost hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 1: Parties at all.

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Speaker 2: They were just a RUSS to find sex assault victims

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Speaker 2: for the New Deities.

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Speaker 11: Listen, the fabulous parties with fabulous people might have been

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Speaker 11: Each of the three brothers has been accused of forcible

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Speaker 11: federal charges of sex trafficking, while the twins aren't in

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Speaker 2: Second verse, same as the first. Do I have to

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Speaker 2: say deja vu all over again? Why the real estate

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Speaker 2: bros Are called the new didties? Same thing now? They

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Speaker 2: called it fabulous parties. Diddy calls it freakoffs.

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Speaker 4: Combs allegedly planned and controlled the sex performances, which he

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Speaker 4: offs sometimes lasted days at a time, involved multiple commercial

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Speaker 13: To keep them obedient and compliant, as alleged, when Combs

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Speaker 2: To Christina Alaio, joining US investigative reporter and news anchor,

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Speaker 2: the comparison between the real estate Bros and Ditty are inescapable.

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Speaker 6: They are.

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Speaker 5: They both are basically using their power and influence to

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Speaker 5: same goes for Diddy. He has so much power and

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Speaker 5: People are scared that their careers are going to be ruined,

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Speaker 5: And I think the same is true for the Brothers

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A major blow to an alleged rape victim when a

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Speaker 2: Of course, they remain innocent until proven guilty. What is

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Speaker 3: The Alexander Brothers await rape charges in jail. As a

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Speaker 2: The Alexander Brothers a so called real estate bros rolling

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Speaker 1: All the way back then, but the current day problems

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Speaker 2: Their rape charges all started when one woman spoke out.

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Speaker 1: According to prosecutors, the rapes and sex assaults have.

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Speaker 2: Been going on for years and years and years until

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Speaker 11: Listen, The Alexander Brothers fall from grace begins when the

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Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing? Linn Shaw joining us from Lyn's Warriors,

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Speaker 1: how it only.

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Speaker 2: Takes one person, one person to stand up and be counted,

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Speaker 1: To fall down.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, but we have to educate everybody that we will

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Speaker 9: give you safety, We will give you guardrails.

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Speaker 1: We will stand next to you.

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Speaker 9: That is what I'm hoping all of these dirty ditties

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Speaker 9: But I want to point something out. There was so

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Speaker 2: This Wait a minute, Lynn Shaw, hold on, you're exactly

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Speaker 2: right straight out to Christina at Yo joining US news anchor,

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter. What are the so called trophies of the

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Speaker 5: Yes, well, it's one thing to have a witness testimony, right,

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Speaker 6: As we just saw with the Cassie and Diddy situation.

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Speaker 5: Prosecutors and investigators rated tell Alexander's Manhattan apartment and they

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Speaker 6: Filled with pictures and videos.

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Speaker 5: They're saying in these videos of course, there's the quote

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Speaker 5: They're saying that women can be seen highly intoxicated on

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Speaker 5: they're saying, these women do not know they're being recorded.

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Speaker 5: There's this one incident that they explain that a woman

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Speaker 5: and a man are having sex in a stall and

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Speaker 5: another person is recording over the stall with a camera,

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Speaker 5: and when the woman sees it, she protests, she says no.

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Speaker 6: So it's going to be pretty difficult.

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Speaker 5: For whatever reason they kept these videos or they have

447
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Speaker 5: these videos, it's going to be difficult to defend this

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Speaker 5: in court.

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Speaker 2: Christina, you stated that one of the videos was taken

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Speaker 2: over a stall.

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Speaker 6: What yep, So a man and a woman were having sex.

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Speaker 5: It didn't detail if that was forced rape, It didn't

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Speaker 5: detail what that was exactly. But there is a third

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Speaker 5: person who is holding a video camera up over the

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Speaker 5: bathroom stall where the woman and man are inside of

456
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Speaker 5: that stall having sex, and the woman sees the camera,

457
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Speaker 5: she tells them to stop, and they don't stop. And

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Speaker 5: that's what prosecutors are saying. They're not listening to these women.

459
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Speaker 5: They're manipulating their bodies, and they won't stop when the

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Speaker 5: women are asking them to stop.

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Speaker 2: Trophies trophies to Nima Romani joining us former federal prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: president of West Coast Trial Warwyors, author of Harvard to

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Speaker 2: hashtags Nima trophies have been the undoing of so manique

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Speaker 2: criminals explain.

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Speaker 8: Oh, it's great evidence if you're a prosecutor, because people

466
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Speaker 8: can lie. Criminal defendants lie all the time, even witnesses

467
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 8: and victims can sometimes lie. But video doesn't lie. And

468
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 8: when you have video of these sex acts, that is

469
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Speaker 8: the best evidence when you're a prosecutor, because really there's

470
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Speaker 8: only two defenses in any sex trafficking case. Either the

471
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Speaker 8: sexual activity didn't happen, or it was consensual. That's it.

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Speaker 8: And once you have that video, it certainly takes away

473
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Speaker 8: the first defense, and then when women are being drugg

474
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Speaker 8: takes away the second as well. And there's really two

475
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Speaker 8: reasons why people record these sex acts. The first is

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Speaker 8: their own deviant sexual pleasure, and I think that's probably

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Speaker 8: why Diddy was recording his freak offs. But there's the

478
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Speaker 8: second reason, and that is to have control over the victims,

479
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Speaker 8: potentially blackmail them and say, hey, if you come after me,

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna leak these videos.

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Speaker 2: Christina Uyo, isn't it true that these videos were pulled

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Speaker 2: off of a hard drive that was found hidden in

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Speaker 2: a closet during a federal search, Yes, in.

484
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Speaker 5: Tall Alexander's Manhattan apartment, So they were really searching.

485
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Speaker 6: They had the warrant to go through everything, and he

486
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Speaker 6: kept them. He kept them on a hard drive.

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Speaker 5: And it's not just videos, it's pictures as well. And

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Speaker 5: it goes to show that just like he said, men

489
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Speaker 5: light women light witnesses lie perhaps, but the video is

490
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Speaker 5: not going to lie. And this is pretty tough evidence. However,

491
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Speaker 5: the defense is already saying that this doesn't prove anything.

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Speaker 5: This doesn't prove a commercial act, This doesn't prove that

493
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Speaker 5: they were drugged. It may prove that they're intoxicated, but

494
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Speaker 5: he's saying, oh, these are just big orgies. Everybody was

495
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Speaker 5: willing and there is nothing going on here, So next story, please,

496
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Speaker 5: you know.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me.

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Speaker 2: In the last few days, Seawn comes aka Diddi's defense

499
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Speaker 2: team has stated they want the freak call videos to

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Speaker 2: be made public because it quote proves his innocence. Okay, sure,

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Speaker 2: you know another thing, If it's so innocent, why was

502
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Speaker 2: it hidden in a closet. But thinking about the videos,

503
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Speaker 2: the trophies pulled from a hard drive in the real

504
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: estate bro's closet, it reminds me of a certain raid

505
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Speaker 2: that went down on San Combs's mansion. In that case,

506
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Speaker 2: as well, Bill Daily, former FBI trophies quote trophies.

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Speaker 1: Were obtained during that raid.

508
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Speaker 2: Bill Daily video equipment was reportedly discovered, along with over

509
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Speaker 2: one thousand bottles of lubricant baby oil. Trophies have been

510
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Speaker 2: the bane of many criminals existence why trophy well, you.

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Speaker 10: Know, and as if you go to other kind of

512
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Speaker 10: repeat offenders, repeat criminals such as Dennis Raider, the buying

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Speaker 10: torture kill fiend. You know, they either keep pieces of clothing,

514
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Speaker 10: they keep some something to remind them something, who's going

515
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 10: to get them excited, Something's going to you know, make

516
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Speaker 10: them remember how how wonderful it was that they controlled

517
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Speaker 10: this person, that they did what they did.

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Speaker 1: And so for all these things, it's it's why are

519
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Speaker 1: you putting perfume on the pig.

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Speaker 2: Daily, that's not like you the souvenirs, the trophies quote

521
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Speaker 2: get them excited.

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Speaker 1: You may give them an erection.

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Speaker 10: Well, you know that as well as sharing among other people,

524
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Speaker 10: being able to. In some cases they like to share

525
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Speaker 10: it because they've they've had this experience of other people.

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Speaker 2: They keep it.

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Speaker 10: They look at themselves, you know, maybe other people. They

528
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Speaker 10: let them see that. That all kind of gives them

529
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Speaker 10: a sense of control. It goes back to that essence

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Speaker 10: of controlling individuals, controlling their environment, doing what they want

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Speaker 10: to do, using that leverage over people. You know. In

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Speaker 10: this case, Nancy, in a very interesting point it came up,

533
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Speaker 10: which is simply what we've seen in other cases, is

534
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Speaker 10: that as the FBI was investigating this, reports are coming

535
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Speaker 10: out that multiple victims have the same stories. Again, people

536
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Speaker 10: who've been not connected, not there at the same place,

537
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Speaker 10: same time, but have the same story to tell. All

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Speaker 10: of that is extreming and as part of what I

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Speaker 10: believe the FBI is and the US the Attorney's officers

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Speaker 10: making their case out of is that they have statements

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Speaker 10: and it would encourage people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very true, Bill Daily, I think this goes

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Speaker 2: beyond your or my kin colloquial for understanding joining me.

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Speaker 2: Psychologist Karen Stark. Everything Bill Daily said is correct, But

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Speaker 2: what is the reason, the mental or the psychological reason

546
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Speaker 2: that people like Dennis Raider or in this case, the

547
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Speaker 2: real estate bros also called the rape bros.

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Speaker 1: But those are just accusations. Why keep all these videos

549
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Speaker 1: they're damning.

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Speaker 7: It's a wonderful way for them to relive the crime.

551
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 7: Nancy and whatever got them off when they were doing it,

552
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 7: whatever got them excited and gave them erections and orgasms.

553
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Speaker 7: They can do that all over again repeatedly because they

554
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Speaker 7: have these trophies. It's great if it's a video, but

555
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Speaker 7: it can be an airing. It could be a necklace,

556
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 7: it could be a piece of clothing. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 7: They wind up reliving the excitement that they felt at

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Speaker 7: the time and how much they controlled the situation.

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Speaker 1: For years.

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Speaker 4: The Alexander brothers, sometimes with others, also arranged domestic and

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Speaker 4: international trips to carry out their sex trafficking scheme. To

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Speaker 4: recruit and induce women to come on the trips, they

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Speaker 4: provided material benefits, things they travel to, vacation destinations, luxury,

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Speaker 4: accommodations and access to other high end experiences.

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Speaker 1: Are the claims true? Should I believe the real estate Bros?

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Speaker 1: Or should I.

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Speaker 2: Believe all of the women now coming forward, some of

568
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Speaker 2: them named in federal indictments, others filing civil suits. What's

569
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Speaker 2: very hard for many people to understand, including myself, is

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Speaker 2: how the real estate bros.

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Speaker 1: Acted, how they faked a happy home life.

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Speaker 11: Listen, the Alexander brothers are all married now. Alahn married

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Speaker 11: Shaney Zigrin, with whom he has two children, in May

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Speaker 11: of twenty twenty. Or In married model Camilla Hanson in

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Speaker 11: April twenty twenty three, and Tall married Ariel CogAT in

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Speaker 11: October of twenty twenty three. Or In pleaded with a

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Speaker 11: judge to let him out as his wife was pregnant

578
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Speaker 11: and do any day. His request was denied.

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Speaker 2: That's something the baby can say as it grows up.

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Speaker 2: Dad was in jail on rape charges when I was born.

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Speaker 2: This whole facade of a happy family again, it's diddy REDIU.

582
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Speaker 1: Listen, be happy.

583
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Speaker 10: I love you.

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Speaker 2: Two of you get hit on the phone on the time.

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Speaker 1: To Vetterman. Try a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: Former Felany prosecutor Nima Romani Nima. It would not be

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Speaker 2: the first time a so called family man was ultimately

588
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Speaker 2: convicted of repeat offenses. I mean, there's Dinner Raider that

589
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Speaker 2: Bill Daley brought up earlier, who would sex assault and

590
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Speaker 2: kill so many women and including young girls on his

591
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Speaker 2: dog catching route the whole time.

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Speaker 1: He had a family at home, and he was a

593
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Speaker 1: deacon in the church.

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Speaker 2: Then you've got Gaysey John Wayne Gacy, who would go

595
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Speaker 2: to children's birthday parties to entertain the children dressed as

596
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Speaker 2: a clown.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many boys bodies were pulled out

598
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Speaker 1: of his crawl space.

599
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Speaker 2: Then you got Ted Bundy, who seemingly was a successful

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Speaker 2: law school student.

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Speaker 1: He's a serial killer.

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Speaker 2: He goes on and on, and do I have to say,

603
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Speaker 2: Rex Huerman, the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room,

604
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Speaker 2: the architect by day, serial killer by night, with a

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Speaker 2: wife and two children.

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Speaker 8: Nancy and Human's wife actually saw some of these sex acts,

607
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Speaker 8: at least allegedly, So this question of what she knew, Well,

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Speaker 8: this is criminal defense lawyer in one on one. They

609
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Speaker 8: want to show the jurors that the defendant has family support.

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Speaker 8: That's why you see Ditty's family at every single appearance.

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Speaker 8: That's why I fully expect the Alexander brothers to have

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Speaker 8: their parents, the wives who haven't filed divorce to be

613
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 8: at those court proceedings, because that's what jurors expect. They

614
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 8: want to see the family members supporting the folks who

615
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 8: are accused and are on trip.

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Speaker 2: And like Didty, the new Ditties have a fantastical scheme

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Speaker 2: of how they're going to stay out of MDC Metropolitan

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Speaker 2: Detention Center listen.

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Speaker 11: In a crazy bid to keep their boys out of incarceration,

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Speaker 11: the parents of the Alexander brothers have offered to provide

621
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Speaker 11: private imprisonment. In a real proposal to authorities, Shlomo and

622
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Speaker 11: Early Alexander proposed confining the brothers to a two bedroom

623
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Speaker 11: apartment on the eighth floor of Miami building, emphasizing the

624
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 11: apartment is non waterfront and non luxury. They promised security

625
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 11: guards would be stationed around the clock and an alarm

626
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 11: system would make sure the brothers remain on site. The

627
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 11: parents also offered to put up to one billion dollars

628
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Speaker 11: bail for their sons to get out of jail.

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Speaker 2: In case you didn't get that, it's one billion as

630
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 2: in brother biz and brother not million billion, the parents

631
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: offering to put up one billion dollars cash to get

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Speaker 2: their sons out of jail. Maybe they were going to

633
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: put in some equity into that, but one billion dollars

634
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: bill to get their sons out and having them imprisoned

635
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: in a Miami high rise. And the suffering part was

636
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Speaker 2: that they wouldn't get a beach front view ouch.

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Speaker 1: That has to hurt. How dare you, Mommy and Daddy

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00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: Christina Wyo.

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Speaker 2: It's reminiscent of the last bid, well, the last three

640
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: bids by Sean Combs to get out on bid where

641
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: he offered the judge a multimillion dollar bill package. I

642
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: think it was twenty mil and he would stay in

643
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 2: a Manhattan town home with his own private security guards

644
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Speaker 2: to keep him from raping people.

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Speaker 5: Eerie echo, right, And that's the draw, right exactly. I

646
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Speaker 5: promised not to rape anybody during this time. I promise

647
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Speaker 5: that I'm not going to have any orgies. In fact,

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Speaker 5: I won't even have any women over so that in

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Speaker 5: and of itself is a huge punishment. This is the

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Speaker 5: same thing that we're seeing with these brothers, and quite frankly,

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Speaker 5: I don't know how much the parents can be trusted

652
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 5: in this whole situation because we talk about pretending to

653
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 5: have a perfect family. But I go back to the

654
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 5: sex bus that was sitting outside of their forty million

655
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Speaker 5: dollar home as the brothers were in high school, and

656
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Speaker 5: people have said witness testimony, they are saying that back

657
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Speaker 5: in those days, that women in the scene, in the

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Speaker 5: Miami scene because for some reason, high school brothers were

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Speaker 5: in the Miami scene. They were warned not to drink

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Speaker 5: any drinks that came from the brothers and to stay

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Speaker 5: away from the brothers because they had already been known

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Speaker 5: way back in high school to be sexually assaulting women.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace a blow to.

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Speaker 2: Rape victims everywhere when a federal judge throws out a

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Speaker 2: civil case filed by an alleged rape victim.

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Speaker 1: But wait, is there light at the end of the tunnel.

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Speaker 2: There is a massive criminal case now filed against the

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Speaker 2: millionaire real estate brothers.

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Speaker 3: New York prosecutors Hey assaults day back to high school,

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Speaker 3: describing the number of victims as quite significant, and.

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Speaker 1: The numbers are mounting.

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Speaker 2: What started with one woman speaking out about an alleged

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Speaker 2: sex assault turns into a federal indictment on sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: There are so many, so many victims.

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Speaker 2: Will the superseded indictment be superseded to include more victims?

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 12: The Alexander brothers are accused of using their wealth positions

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Speaker 12: to create and facilitate opportunities to rape and sexually assault women.

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Speaker 12: So far, more than forty women have come forward accusing

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Speaker 12: the three Alexander brothers of sexual misconduct, and investigators are

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Speaker 12: asking other women who believe they have been assaulted to call.

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Speaker 12: Attorneys for the brothers say they planned to plead not

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Speaker 12: guilty to the charges, which, if convicted, could land all

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Speaker 12: three brothers in prison for life.

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Speaker 1: As we are.

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Speaker 2: Discussing these alleged acts, sex assault, rape, sodomies, that's what

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Speaker 2: we're saying. Reportedly date all the way back to when

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Speaker 2: the real estate brose were in high school.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 14: As news of the arrests start to spread, stories from

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Speaker 14: the Alexander brothers high school years come to light. Their

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Speaker 14: history of sexual violence dates back decades to their high

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Speaker 14: school days in Miami, where they bragged about several gang rapes.

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Speaker 14: Prosecutors say each of the victims that the government has

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Speaker 14: interviewed from this period reported hearing that individuals involved, including

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Speaker 14: tal Alexander, talked about assault at school, boasting about running

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Speaker 14: train on their victims and saying they wanted to do

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Speaker 14: it again.

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Speaker 1: You know, Lynn Shaw.

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Speaker 2: As many rape and sodomy cases that I've investigated, I

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Speaker 2: have tried, have pled out to jail time, have covered.

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Speaker 1: It's still it's disgusting.

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Speaker 2: It makes something and you want to die to hear

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Speaker 2: about them bragging about quote running train on the victims,

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Speaker 2: which means multiple rapists on one victim, saying they quote

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Speaker 2: wanted to do it again. It never ceases to be

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Speaker 2: heartbreaking that a victim would go through this.

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Speaker 9: Well, we can't die, Nancy. We have to stand for

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Speaker 9: those that don't have a voice. And I want us

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Speaker 9: to focus on two things here. I want us to

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Speaker 9: focus on where was mama Alexander. We're talking about a

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Speaker 9: sex bus when these trio of a triplets already to

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Speaker 9: eat triplets were right part right in front of their

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Speaker 9: their multimillion dollar mansion. I'm telling you, as a mother,

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Speaker 9: I knew when my kids moved a throw pillow on

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Speaker 9: my couch. Where were the parents at this time? And

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Speaker 9: throughout all of this. The second thing I want to

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Speaker 9: and we have to talk about that because people have

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Speaker 9: to start standing up. Where were these parents? They were

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Speaker 9: the talk of the town. We're hearing, you know, in

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Speaker 9: the Miami, Florida area, So we should focus on that.

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Speaker 9: I also want to focus on you're not going to

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Speaker 9: see their wives in court with them. Those women are

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Speaker 9: taking their kids and running for the hills. One has

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Speaker 9: already filed for divorce. Okay, they're going to turn evidence

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Speaker 9: on them. They're beautiful young women, they have some young children,

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Speaker 9: a newborn baby.

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Speaker 6: They're not sticking.

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Speaker 9: Around for this. And the third thing I want to

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Speaker 9: get back to we're not talking enough about is that

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Speaker 9: oldest brother with his security firm. There is video evidence.

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Speaker 9: Where are all those videos going? I guarantee, I hope

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Speaker 9: we have a forensic accountant coming along. That they have

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Speaker 9: been uploaded not only to control their victims and to

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Speaker 9: scare them, they have been uploaded to porns where these

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Speaker 9: monsters make millions and millions of dollars across the globe.

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Speaker 9: And these are things we should be looking at.

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Speaker 2: Karen, start joining me, renowned psychologists joining us out of

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Speaker 2: Manhattan tonight. Karen, I haven't told you this story about

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Speaker 2: the twins. You know, I have Bark on all their devices.

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Speaker 2: They know I have Bark on all their devices. So

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Speaker 2: I got an alert about my son who scrubbed in sunshine,

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Speaker 2: an alert from Bark.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, uh oh, what happened on Fortnite? I look

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Speaker 1: and it said sex. I'm like, so it shows you

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Speaker 1: what it was.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I get an alert every time something disturbing comes up.

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Speaker 2: For instance, one time it said self harm.

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Speaker 1: It was of him.

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Speaker 2: He had taken a picture of a bruise he got

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Speaker 2: diving through a soccer net to save a goal.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that was self harm. This about sex. Guess what

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Speaker 1: it was, Karen Stark.

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Speaker 2: It was the Nancy Gray Show. It was a banner

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Speaker 2: the program we did about Blake Lively. I had the

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Speaker 2: word sex harass in it. The Nancy Gray Show popped

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Speaker 2: up on his Bark. So my point is, where were

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Speaker 2: the parents?

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Bark every time I get an alert,

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Speaker 1: and they're never anything. Where were the parents? Lynn is right?

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Speaker 7: You know what's so outrageous, Nancy, is that these same

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Speaker 7: parents are saying that they want to give a billion

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Speaker 7: dollars and they'll make sure that these guys have no

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Speaker 7: opportunity to do anything. They won't face the ocean. They

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Speaker 7: will make sure that they can't do any harm. But meanwhile,

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Speaker 7: there was the van parked outside their very own home.

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Speaker 7: And what they didn't know what their voice were doing.

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Speaker 7: They didn't hear any of the rumors, they didn't investigate.

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Speaker 7: It's as though they supported all of this.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Karen Stark, you know what. Of course, the parents

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Speaker 1: aren't charged with anything, but I would have been right

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Speaker 1: there at that van.

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Speaker 2: Come out, everybody, I mean, no way that said, let

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Speaker 2: me give everyone the eight hundred line one, eight hundred

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Speaker 2: two two five five three two four repeat eight hundred

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Speaker 2: two two five five three two four.

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Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfalls. Goodbye, friend,