WEBVTT - The Texas Chain Saw Massacre: Masterpiece 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:07.160 Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:13.480 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:17.240 Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is our episode 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:21.159 right before Halloween episode. You're in Stuff you Should Know. 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:30.560 Yeah, big CoA here obviously. Yeah, I mean hopefully parents 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:32.720 aren't gonna click on this if they're young children in 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:37.040 the car, because it'll probably be Texas chainsaw mask or 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:38.200 something or other in the title. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:43.159 Yeah, it's not gonna be like how ponies work, right, 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:44.880 I don't want to trick anybody. 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.360 Yeah, so CooA about that. Obviously, it's gonna have some 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:52.000 pretty gruesome material in it. But also because we're gonna 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:53.440 be talking a lot about this movie and we're gonna 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:55.560 go over the plot and everything. So if it's kind 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:57.440 of a spoiler situation where you don't want to hear 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:01.480 about it and you haven't seen it somehow, then tune out. 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:03.360 Some people like to know what happens before they go 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:04.200 into a horror movie. 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:08.960 You know, Yes, but that's a that's a great spoiler alert. 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:13.280 If you haven't seen it, go watch it it. Like 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:17.280 people use the word masterpiece about this movie a lot, 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.560 and like not just fans of the film, like sickos, 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:28.360 like critics, like academics who teach film appreciation, like it 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:32.720 is a really, really good movie, whether you like horror 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.520 movies or not, because the key to this is if 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:39.520 you get scared at horror movies, approach it like it's 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.880 a dark comedy, and it will make sense to use 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.080 a dark comedy, and you will probably laugh out loud 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.280 in a couple of parts. So it can be taken 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:50.440 both ways, and sometimes in some parts of this both 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:51.520 ways at the same time. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.760 Yeah, see that. I've never understood that take, because I 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:59.880 don't see any dark comedy that notions about it whatsoever. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.320 I think it's I think it's one of the most 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:06.520 terrifying movies I've ever seen, if not the most terrifying. 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.760 Well, you and Rex Reid feel the same way. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:10.720 Yeah, every time I see it, and I just saw 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:12.600 it for the first time a few years ago finally, 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:18.119 and it's just it's so disturbing and unsettling every single time, 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:19.160 even though I know it's coming. 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:23.839 I watched it again last night and yeah, so when 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.280 it finished, when it cuts at the end and goes 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.120 see the credits, I literally said out loud, that is 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.600 a great movie, and you me. I was sitting there 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.120 by myself watching it. I said it out loud. It 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.399 just took it out of me. And I had never 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.200 watched it as a comedy before either. I'd never even 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.679 turned up that anybody considered it a comedy or a 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.320 dark comedy. But going into it knowing that I definitely 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:47.679 found some spots here or there. 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.680 Yeah, I didn't do. You know what I said at 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.959 the end last night out loud by myself, what Jerry's 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.720 gonna have to beat it? But it has that famous 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.359 just abrupt ending and cut to black. Yeah, And I 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:04.600 curled up on my couch and I just said, this 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:09.960 movie like every time, it gets me in a place 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.280 where I'm just like, like if there was a camera 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.160 on my face while I'm watching it, it's just my face. 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.800 It just gnarled up the whole time, Like, oh my god, 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:19.000 it's just so disturbing. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.040 I think me and a lot of people would love 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.160 to watch a reaction video of you watching just that. Yeah, 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:25.760 Texas Chainsaw Masker. 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.359 A camera trained on my face for eighty three minutes exactly. 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.360 Yeah, And it is just eighty three minutes. It's not 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:32.240 even an hour and a half of your time, you know, 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.920 like you just watch it, breeze through it and say 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.960 that was a great movie, or what you said at 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.160 the end. And let me ask you this, Can you 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.120 think of another horror movie that makes you feel like 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:44.440 that whenever you watch it? 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.720 Yeah? I mean there's quite a few movies that are 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.080 still disturbing to me, but this one takes the cake 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:52.840 for sure. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.440 Wow. So yeah, if you haven't seen Texas Chainsaw Masker 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:01.200 and you have any kind of curiosity, I strongly urge 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.040 you to pause this and go watch it and come 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.119 back whatever, it doesn't matter. I think you can still 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.080 appreciate this episode, don't you. Because it's not just about 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.240 the movie itself, it's about how it was made. 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:13.000 Because, yeah, it. 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.520 Was an independent picture. It's one of the most successful 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.200 independent films of all time. Yeah, and it was made 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:22.760 by students of film, literal students of film who loved 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:27.400 making movies, and they made again, a masterpiece is what 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:28.480 a lot of people call it. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.159 Yeah. Yeah, And we're going to get to the plot 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.839 and go through that, as we said, but even I 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.320 just want to say, even the beginning, that first thirty minutes, 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:40.560 before they even set foot inside the bad house. That's 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.280 all just the way it's shot and laid out, and 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:46.960 the sound, it's just all disturbs. It disturbs me. It's 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:47.880 a no end, I know. 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:49.800 And to think like that it was shot by a 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:50.640 twenty three year. 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:51.159 Old I know. 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:56.000 So let's talk about this. Let's get into the nuts 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:57.880 and bolts of how the whole thing came about. How 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:58.280 about that? 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:02.440 Yeah, and we can only start with director Toby Hooper, 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.320 who apparently was inspired by a few different things to 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:11.320 come up with this movie. One pretty obviously is ed Gein, 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.080 who's a serial killer who we have not covered yet. 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.159 At some point we'll probably get into the skin suit 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:22.200 making crimes of ed Gin. Right, we did ed I 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.440 think it's Geen, isn't it. We did a whole episode. 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:26.440 We did a whole episode on mister Gean. 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:27.720 The technic we did. 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:31.279 We did. It wasn't the best, so I can see 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:32.200 how you wouldn't remember it. 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:32.600 Well. 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:34.520 I thought we just put him in something else. Okay, 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:35.560 we'll scratch that. Then. 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.400 Yeah, he appeared in some episode, but we ended up 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:39.720 making a whole episode about him. 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:44.800 I see it now, ed Gan the serial Killers, serial killer. Yes, 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:46.480 it had to be your title. That's good. 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:50.320 I think it was. But ed Gen he wasn't just 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.359 the inspiration for leather face from Texas Chainsaw Masker. And 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.479 the reason why is if you're not familiar with ed 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:59.320 Gean he wore skin suits. He was also the influence 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.440 for a character Buffalo Bill and Sid to the Lambs, 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.559 and he inspired the movie Psycho. Not like Norman Bates 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.360 bears any resemblance to him whatsoever, aside from the whole 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.600 cross dressing thing, I guess is what inspired it, but 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.679 more of the fact that there was someone out there 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.840 who was capable of doing these things inspired a movie 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.839 that about Norman Bates, who was capable of doing horrible 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:22.400 things too. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.599 Yeah, So that was the first thing. The second thing 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.279 was he had a friend, Toby Hooper did the director, 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.719 who was a doctor or I guess a med student 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:35.120 at the time, who said that he had removed the 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.880 face of a cadaver and wore it as a Halloween mask. 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.120 So there's one for your nightmares. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.440 Yeah, even if he hadn't done that, to be telling 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.040 people that you had done that, ye'd be serious about it. 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:46.960 That's pretty nuts. 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.400 Yeah. And then the last thing was Toby Hooper was 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:53.760 apparently Christmas shopping at a Montgomery Ward store one time, 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.240 and it was just really, really crowded, and I get 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.480 the sense that he was having a bit of a 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.760 panicky trying to get out of there, and saw some 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.880 chainsaws on display, and it was like, I'd be great 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:07.560 if I could grab one of those and just cut 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:08.360 my way out of here. 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.200 Yeah, exactly, So he'd put all those things together. They 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.400 came together end of nineteen seventy two, beginning of nineteen 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:18.440 seventy three into this story that that just kind of 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.600 clicked in his head. I also saw that Hansel and 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.720 Gretel form some like loose influence on the. 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:25.440 Whole thing, too. 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.160 Sure, But he got together with a friend of his 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:32.040 name Kim Henkel, and he and Henkel wrote the script together. 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.320 They met Toby Hooper's house. They would map out the 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.080 story arc on the floor, and then Kim Henkel would 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.600 go in and type some pages and come back after 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.640 a few and read it all to Toby Hooper and 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.120 get a thumbs up or down, and then they'd continue on. 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.400 And they wrote the script fairly quickly from what I understand, 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.960 and they had some working titles for it that fortunately 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:54.880 they did not go. 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.320 With Yeah, and you know, one of the reasons it 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.440 went quickly is because after that first half hour, there's 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:05.400 not a lot of dialogue aside from like you know, 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:12.800 Pam Pam and then Sally Salie and then the dinner scene. 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:14.400 You're going to get some more, but there's there are 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.559 long stretches where it's just you know, a lot of action. 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.320 But yeah, you mentioned the alternate titles. Head Cheese was 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:25.280 one which does make an appearance in the movie, and 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.000 the dinner scene, I believe, and then Leatherface was one 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.000 of the titles that would go on to be the 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.479 title of the twenty seventeen prequel. 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:34.559 Yeah. 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.520 I think it's just called leather Face. Which I haven't 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:37.880 seen any of those, by the way. 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.080 Neither of I. I've only seen the first one and 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:41.240 I saw the second one. 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:42.839 I didn't see that. I don't think I care to 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:44.640 see any of the rest of them. 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.040 Yeah, I mean, if you're into the first one, it 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.200 might not make sense to see the second one because 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.360 it's such a departure. But yeah, it's still if you 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:57.559 take that as an actual comedy, which it is, it's 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:58.640 kind of fun on its own. 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:00.760 I might see that one, but I definitely am not 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.720 interested in the prequels and the reboots and the remakes 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:04.439 and stuff like that. 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:09.120 Well, so the A twenty four just announced last month 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.600 that they're rebooting Texas Chainsaw Masaker. Would you see those? 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.200 Well, they they're almost across the finish line. Apparently they're 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.199 in the pole position to win the bid as of 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.200 like a couple of weeks ago. 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.559 Oh okay, you'd. 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.080 Be interested to know that one of the other bidders 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:28.080 was Oz Perkins and some other people. Oh yeah, your guy, 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:33.520 and then Taylor Sheridan oddly put in a bid on 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.559 the film and TV rights. But it looks like A 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:37.680 twenty four is in the pole position and they're talking 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.200 about a TV series. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.840 So I would watch that, Okay, I would too for sure. 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:43.640 Yeah. 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.600 So they came up with the script and it was 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.520 they never actually came up with the title themselves. There 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.000 was a guy named Warren Scarin who came up with 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.000 the title Texas Chainsaw Masker. One of the great titles 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.240 of all time. Oh yeah, and it's forwards if you 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.840 want to be pedantic about it. Saw they have it 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.880 as two words for some reason. And Warren Scarin would 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.520 play a bunch of really important roles over the course 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.600 of getting this movie made. And he was in a 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:13.920 position too because he was Texas's first film commissioner. He 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:17.080 also apparently was an investor in the film too, and 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:21.600 he was a friend of a mutual friend between him 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.120 and Kim Hankel, who would go on to become the 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:28.040 production manager for the movie. Ron Boseman and Scarin also 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.480 scared up the first investor, who was a former Texas 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:35.880 legislator state legislator named Bill Parsley, who also apparently fancied 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:37.840 himself a movie producer. 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.920 Yeah, and technically it's five words if you count the 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:44.640 word the because the first one was the Texas chainsaw massacre. 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.200 So you out pedanticked my own pedanticness. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:52.480 Well, because I knew we'd hear from somebody. Okay, So 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:53.680 who was the last. 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.839 Person you named, Ron Bo Bill Parsley. 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:59.319 Or Bill Parsley. Yeah, so he you know, they came 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:04.120 up with a few different budgets. The first one, you know, 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:05.880 it was like, hey, what can we get, what can 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:07.760 we make it for, and what could we really make 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.360 it for if we just you know, kind of didn't 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.040 have much and still had to do it. And that 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.839 was sixty grand was like, hey, that'd be awesome. It's 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.720 about three hundred and eighty eight grand a day. Forty 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.439 grand was the mid level, and twenty grand was the 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:25.320 small budget that they still thought they could make it with, 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.800 even though it would have to be black and white. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:30.240 I could see this in black and white like a 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:31.680 Night of the Living Dead, But there are so many 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:35.040 great color shots in this movie, like those green eyes 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.160 of Sally that are so key in the in the 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.040 third act, and the sunrise shot at the end. You 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:42.240 know you'd lose all that. 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:45.920 Oh, speaking of third acts, I watched Thirty Days of 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.840 Night again, that vampire movie. Have you ever seen it, 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:50.760 Josh Hartnett. 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:53.120 I don't think I saw that one. 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.679 It's not bad, but I thought of you because they 0:11:55.720 --> 0:12:00.600 show like this metal crushing like trash compactor in the 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:05.160 first like ten minutes, and I thought, show a metal 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.120 crushing trash compactor, and act one you're gonna use it? 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:09.800 And act three and sure, yeah they did. 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:11.680 Yeah, it's a classic classic move. 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.960 So they actually got their high, their pie in the 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.960 sky high end budget of sixty grand. Most of it 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:21.800 came from Bill Parsley, but there were a couple of 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:26.040 other investors that got cobbled together, and ultimately, by the 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.520 time the thing had its final cut, it was up 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:33.800 to three hundred grand. But even that was a paltry 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.839 amount of money even in the mid seventies, Like this 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.840 is peanuts as far as making a movie is concerned. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.360 Yeah, I mean, not too bad. I'll take issue with 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.840 pe nuts. I mean, Rocky was made for one point 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:50.280 one million, and the average was four million even back then. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.840 But I guess I've known friends who have made movies 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.200 these days for a lot less than that. So it's 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:58.800 I know people that would be very happy with three 0:12:58.840 --> 0:12:59.480 hundred grand. 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.719 Yeah, but they're not using film stock, and I'll bet 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:06.160 that eats up a ton of budget. Yeah, well, how 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.679 about this, can we agree on brazil nuts? 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:10.680 Brazil nuts sounds good? 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.400 Okay. So one of the ways that they cut cost 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.680 Chuck was to hire no name actors like inexperienced actors, 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.000 and ultimately the way it would wash out, that would 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.640 make the whole thing that much more realistic, which is great. 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.120 These were people who might have been drama students taking 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.520 film classes at UT Austin. Some of them were just 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.160 Austin locals. And the other way that they cut costs 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.480 was to get these casts, or this cast of no 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:39.600 name actors who were already being paid brazil nuts at 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.360 best peanuts, probably maybe even just the pa part of 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:47.120 pe nuts, to defer even that amount, most of it 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.520 until after the film got made, and they agreed to it. 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.440 And they put together a cast of ten plus a 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:57.760 few extras, and the only one who had any experience 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.200 whatsoever was a guy named Jim Seadow seat ower Sideow. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:07.360 Yeah, he played the cook and one of the three 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:12.440 brothers in the Sawyer family. Marilyn burn to Sally. She 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:14.400 had also been in a couple of things. She was 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.360 in Robert Altman's Brewsters McLeod and she was actually cast 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.240 as a lead in a movie, in a movie called 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.360 Love and Molly that would have been before this, But 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.400 she was replaced by Susan Sarandon. 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:29.360 Yeah, and she ended up being the body double for Sarandon. 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.280 And that one, I think it was a bitter pill. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:35.840 I'm sure for sure. So Jim sidew was he was 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.920 his experience was a radio soap opera actor, So that 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.040 was the experience he had. And from what I could tell, 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.040 he was the only SAG member. And then there's a 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.960 non on screen I guess off screen is how you 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.640 put it. If you have brains appearance by a guy 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.520 named John Lara Keett. If you're a night Court fan, 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.120 and even if you're not, you're probably still familiar with 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:58.000 John Lara Keett. 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.560 Yeah, I didn't know this was John Larrocatt. Of my 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.560 first two viewings of this, I had no idea until 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.920 you've sent this along, So I don't know. I guess 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:08.800 I didn't stay through the credits because I was always, 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.160 you know, cowering in a corner or something. 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:12.800 Turn it off, turn it off. 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.400 Yeah, did not know that was John Larrocatt. That's the 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.600 first thing he ever did in the film business. 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.520 Yeah, I didn't know that either. I ran across it. 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.040 I also ran across that he was friends with Toby 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.920 Hooper and he did it as a favor. Apparently it 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.960 took an hour of his time to record it, and 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.600 Toby Hooper paid him in pot and John Learri Kett 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.240 apparently confirmed that to none other than Parade Magazine years later. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:37.120 I love it. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.000 So you want to talk about the plot and then 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:41.840 get into how they made this thing after that? 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.080 Yeah? Should we take a break first or should we 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:45.880 do the plot first? 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:46.840 No, it's a good idea. 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.040 Let's do a break all right, Well, everyone, brace yourselves, go, 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.880 you know, chill out, do some yoga, maybe meditate, and 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.040 then we'll tell you the plot of Texas Chainsaw Maaska 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:56.680 right after this. 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:06.160 Joke mad Josh stuff. 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:34.520 You should know. 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:42.520 Satisfaction. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:45.800 Okay, So we're back when we're talking about the plot. 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.120 And again you already gave a spoiler alert, but it's 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.000 worth saying again if you haven't seen the movie and 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.160 you want to go in fresh, don't listen to this part. Okay, Yeah, 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.280 and maybe we'll shout we're done with the plot after 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.960 we're done with it, so that everybody can put their 0:16:59.000 --> 0:16:59.800 headphones back on. 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:04.440 Yeah. I think maybe we should read that narration since 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:05.560 it's so short. 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.680 Oh, okay, go ahead, yeah, because it gets the point across. 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:13.800 So it's sort of framed as a docu drama shot 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.760 at in a lot of moments, very documentary style, and 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:18.520 they set it up as if it's a real thing. 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.760 So here's John Larrickett, well me as John Larrochette. The 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:24.600 film which you were about to see is an account 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.240 of the tragedy which befell a group of five views 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:32.040 in particular Sally Hardesty and her invalid brother Franklin. It 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:33.920 is all the more tragic in that they were young, 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.520 but had they lived very, very long lives, they could 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.640 not have expected, nor would they have wished to see 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.359 as much mad and macabre as they were to see. 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.560 That day for them and a dylic summer afternoon drive 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.480 became a nightmare. The events of that day were to 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.720 lead to the discovery of one of the most bizarre 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:55.320 crimes in the annals of American history, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.080 Pretty great. That's a good John Larrachett too, by the way. 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.119 Thanks. It indicates that they all die too, which was 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.439 a nice little slide of hand because it makes the 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:08.280 ending a little more surprising and suspenseful, I think exactly. 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.159 And so you said it like, this is presented as 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.760 a docudrama, so people are going into it not thinking 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.199 it's a documentary that they're actually seeing real things, but 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:20.320 that it's depicting an actual event that happened specifically on 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.600 October eighteenth, nineteen seventy three. It says that's the date 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:25.879 that this all happens. Yeah, it just happens over a 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:30.200 one day period, so that in and of itself kind 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:33.960 of was totally new, as we'll see as far as 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:38.640 horror movies went. It was almost prefiguring the found footage 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.640 genre like Blair Witch and stuff like that. And then 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:46.800 the whole action starts. Everything's prompted by news that a 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.960 cemetery in the middle of rural Texas, Central Texas has 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.760 there been grave robbings going on. And not only grave 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:58.680 robbings or they're just removing specific parts of bodies, they're 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.040 also taking some of the bodies in basically making him 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.360 into these really gruesome statues. 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.680 Yeah, and it's a great way to open the movie. 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.320 The opening shot and everything is just very disturbing to 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:13.119 kind of get that ball rolling. And they are in 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.280 a van traveling. They have space cleared out for the 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:21.840 wheelchair for Franklin, and you know, it's like a sort 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:23.560 of set the standard. But we've seen this so many 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.840 times since then, like teenagers off, you know, having a 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.000 good time going on a trip, maybe going camping or 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.400 something like that. But they were sort of the first, 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:34.320 you know, movie to do that kind of thing. It 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:35.400 set that standard. 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.040 Yeah, and they were the reason they were there. Was 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:42.200 there Franklin and Sally's grandfather was buried at the cemetery, 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.520 so they're going to check to see if his grave 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:46.280 had been dug up, and they find that it's not. 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:47.120 Well. 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.280 While they're there, they'll say, Hey, why don't we go 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:53.360 check out grandfather's old homestead. We used to spend summers 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:55.879 there once in a while. So the whole gang agrees 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:58.240 to do that, but first they need gas, and they 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.879 go to a gas station, a Rundown gas station slash 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:04.960 barbecue pit that's owned by a man known as the Cook, 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.040 who also would turn out to be Drayton Sawyer like 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.760 who you mentioned before, one of the three brothers of 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.560