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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is our episode

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Speaker 2: right before Halloween episode. You're in Stuff you Should Know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, big CoA here obviously. Yeah, I mean hopefully parents

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Speaker 3: aren't gonna click on this if they're young children in

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Speaker 3: the car, because it'll probably be Texas chainsaw mask or

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Speaker 3: something or other in the title.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not gonna be like how ponies work, right,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to trick anybody.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so CooA about that. Obviously, it's gonna have some

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Speaker 3: pretty gruesome material in it. But also because we're gonna

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Speaker 3: be talking a lot about this movie and we're gonna

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Speaker 3: go over the plot and everything. So if it's kind

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Speaker 3: of a spoiler situation where you don't want to hear

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Speaker 3: about it and you haven't seen it somehow, then tune out.

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Speaker 3: Some people like to know what happens before they go

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Speaker 3: into a horror movie.

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Speaker 2: You know, Yes, but that's a that's a great spoiler alert.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't seen it, go watch it it. Like

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Speaker 2: people use the word masterpiece about this movie a lot,

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Speaker 2: and like not just fans of the film, like sickos,

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Speaker 2: like critics, like academics who teach film appreciation, like it

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Speaker 2: is a really, really good movie, whether you like horror

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Speaker 2: movies or not, because the key to this is if

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Speaker 2: you get scared at horror movies, approach it like it's

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Speaker 2: a dark comedy, and it will make sense to use

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Speaker 2: a dark comedy, and you will probably laugh out loud

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Speaker 2: in a couple of parts. So it can be taken

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Speaker 2: both ways, and sometimes in some parts of this both

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Speaker 3: Yeah, see that. I've never understood that take, because I

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Speaker 3: don't see any dark comedy that notions about it whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's one of the most

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Speaker 3: terrifying movies I've ever seen, if not the most terrifying.

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Speaker 2: Well, you and Rex Reid feel the same way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, every time I see it, and I just saw

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Speaker 3: it for the first time a few years ago finally,

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Speaker 3: and it's just it's so disturbing and unsettling every single time,

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Speaker 2: I watched it again last night and yeah, so when

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Speaker 2: see the credits, I literally said out loud, that is

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Speaker 2: a great movie, and you me. I was sitting there

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Speaker 2: by myself watching it. I said it out loud. It

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Speaker 2: just took it out of me. And I had never

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Speaker 2: watched it as a comedy before either. I'd never even

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Speaker 2: dark comedy. But going into it knowing that I definitely

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't do. You know what I said at

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Speaker 3: the end last night out loud by myself, what Jerry's

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Speaker 3: gonna have to beat it? But it has that famous

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Speaker 3: just abrupt ending and cut to black. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 3: curled up on my couch and I just said, this

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Speaker 3: movie like every time, it gets me in a place

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Speaker 3: where I'm just like, like if there was a camera

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Speaker 3: on my face while I'm watching it, it's just my face.

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Speaker 3: It just gnarled up the whole time, Like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: I think me and a lot of people would love

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Speaker 2: to watch a reaction video of you watching just that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Texas Chainsaw Masker.

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Speaker 3: A camera trained on my face for eighty three minutes exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it is just eighty three minutes. It's not

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Speaker 2: even an hour and a half of your time, you know,

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Speaker 2: like you just watch it, breeze through it and say

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Speaker 2: the end. And let me ask you this, Can you

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Speaker 2: think of another horror movie that makes you feel like

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean there's quite a few movies that are

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Speaker 2: Wow. So yeah, if you haven't seen Texas Chainsaw Masker

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Speaker 2: and you have any kind of curiosity, I strongly urge

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Speaker 2: appreciate this episode, don't you. Because it's not just about

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Speaker 3: Because, yeah, it.

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Speaker 2: Was an independent picture. It's one of the most successful

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Speaker 2: by students of film, literal students of film who loved

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Speaker 2: a lot of people call it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And we're going to get to the plot

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Speaker 2: And to think like that it was shot by a

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about this. Let's get into the nuts

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we can only start with director Toby Hooper,

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Speaker 3: who apparently was inspired by a few different things to

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Speaker 3: who's a serial killer who we have not covered yet.

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Speaker 3: At some point we'll probably get into the skin suit

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Speaker 3: making crimes of ed Gin. Right, we did ed I

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Speaker 3: think it's Geen, isn't it. We did a whole episode.

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Speaker 2: We did a whole episode on mister Gean.

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Speaker 3: The technic we did.

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Speaker 2: We did. It wasn't the best, so I can see

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Speaker 3: I thought we just put him in something else. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he appeared in some episode, but we ended up

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Speaker 3: I see it now, ed Gan the serial Killers, serial killer. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I think it was. But ed Gen he wasn't just

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Speaker 2: the inspiration for leather face from Texas Chainsaw Masker. And

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Speaker 2: the reason why is if you're not familiar with ed

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Speaker 2: Gean he wore skin suits. He was also the influence

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Speaker 2: and he inspired the movie Psycho. Not like Norman Bates

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was the first thing. The second thing

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Speaker 3: So there's one for your nightmares.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even if he hadn't done that, to be telling

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And then the last thing was Toby Hooper was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So he'd put all those things together. They

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Speaker 2: Sure, But he got together with a friend of his

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Speaker 2: They met Toby Hooper's house. They would map out the

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Speaker 2: And they wrote the script fairly quickly from what I understand,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you mentioned the alternate titles. Head Cheese was

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Speaker 3: title of the twenty seventeen prequel.

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Speaker 3: I think it's just called leather Face. Which I haven't

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Speaker 2: Neither of I. I've only seen the first one and

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Speaker 3: I might see that one, but I definitely am not

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Speaker 2: Well, so the A twenty four just announced last month

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Speaker 3: Well, they they're almost across the finish line. Apparently they're

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Speaker 2: So I would watch that, Okay, I would too for sure.

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Speaker 2: So they came up with the script and it was

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Speaker 2: was a guy named Warren Scarin who came up with

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Speaker 2: the title Texas Chainsaw Masker. One of the great titles

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Speaker 2: of all time. Oh yeah, and it's forwards if you

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Speaker 2: want to be pedantic about it. Saw they have it

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Speaker 2: as two words for some reason. And Warren Scarin would

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know this was John Larrocatt. Of my

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Should we take a break first or should we

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Speaker 2: No, it's a good idea.

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Speaker 3: Let's do a break all right, Well, everyone, brace yourselves, go,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we're back when we're talking about the plot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think maybe we should read that narration since

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Speaker 3: So it's sort of framed as a docu drama shot

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Speaker 3: So here's John Larrickett, well me as John Larrochette. The

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Speaker 3: That day for them and a dylic summer afternoon drive

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Speaker 2: Pretty great. That's a good John Larrachett too, by the way.

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Speaker 3: Thanks. It indicates that they all die too, which was

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Speaker 2: And so you said it like, this is presented as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were the reason they were there. Was

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, did you catch the name of the gas station?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? W e Slaughter Barbecue.

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Speaker 3: Well that was the restaurant. It was the Last Chance Gas.

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Speaker 2: I did see that, Yes, I totally forgot.

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Speaker 3: So I immediately thought of my last chance garage hat

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Speaker 2: Do you still have that thing?

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Speaker 3: I have like four or five of them because I

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Speaker 2: I remember that very kind patchmaker replacing it. And since

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this Last Chance Garage, which was his

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Speaker 2: I now that I think about it. I've seen on

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Speaker 2: you're skin scraping. So I wonder if it came from

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Speaker 2: he plays this character so nuts. Yeah, he dances right

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Speaker 2: It's totally over the top, but it still manages to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's again completely unsettling. His name, by the way,

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00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 3: they do have names. His name is Nubbins Sawyer, but

440
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,719
Speaker 3: he's kind of mainly known as the hitchhiker, and his

441
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 3: very short ride is just full of disturbing things. He

442
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 3: looks like he's got you know, blood on his face.

443
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 3: He's kind of rambling incoherently. He takes out a or

444
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 3: he I'm sorry. He grabs Franklin's sort of whittling pocket

445
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 3: knife at one point and cuts his own hand in

446
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 3: front of everyone's faces, which is terrifying, and then slashes

447
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 3: Franklin I think with his razor that he has in

448
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 3: his boot.

449
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 2: H Yeah, and he's real squarely too, so he's moving

450
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: around a lot, and he's like just doing all sorts

451
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: of weird stuff. But once he slashes, like they're really

452
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 2: put off by this guy. But once he slashes Franklin,

453
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,959
Speaker 2: they don't even fully stop. They just slow down and

454
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 2: basically push him out of the van, yeah, and take off.

455
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: So they go to the Hardesty Homestead. Franklin tells them

456
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: that there's a swimming hole nearby, and this couple, Pam

457
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: and Kirk, go off to find it, but they find

458
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 2: that it's dried up. Yeah, And they're just kind of

459
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: hanging out, and Kirk spies a house nearby and he thinks, hey,

460
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: maybe they have some gas that we can get because

461
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: the van's getting awfully low and they don't know where

462
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: another gas station is.

463
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they go to this house. Kirk stupidly enters

464
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 3: the house. He's kind of knocking on the door, and

465
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: the door just you know, opens from him knocking, and

466
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 3: he's the first to be killed. And it happens in

467
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 3: such a brutally fast way when he goes down this

468
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 3: straight hallway into this you know, it looks like another

469
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 3: hallway off the entryway where they have animal skins and

470
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 3: skulls and things on the wall, and he gets clubbed

471
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 3: by a hammer very quickly. And the speed at which

472
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 3: that happens, the speed at which you see leather face

473
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 3: for the first time, whose name is Bubba, by the way,

474
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 3: and then the ferocity and speed that he slams shut

475
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 3: that metal sliding or is just terrifying.

476
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: It's yeah, that's a hell of a way for the

477
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 2: first person to get picked off to go.

478
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 3: It's very fast and just all of a sudden, you're

479
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 3: already disturbed because everything before it was so even Franklin,

480
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: like every word out of his mouth is annoying and upsetting.

481
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should say Franklin. Among film appreciators and horror fans,

482
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 2: he's almost universally despised, ye Franklin. Yeah, so yeah, it

483
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: is because I was. I went into it again thinking

484
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: how much everybody hates Franklin. I was like, he's not

485
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 2: that bad. He's pretty bad, but there's still there's some

486
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: redeeming qualities to him. But I don't want to just

487
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: be contrarian, you know, now I'm with you. So Pam,

488
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: who was with Kirk but is waiting outside on a

489
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 2: swinging bench, starts deciding that Kirk's been gone too long

490
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: and goes in after him. And she goes in, there's

491
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 2: this classic shot dolly shot from the ground going upward,

492
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 2: and it follows her going up to the house and

493
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: it's just this amazing shot. Like anybody who knows anything

494
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: about cinemas, like This is one of the best Dolly

495
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 2: shots of all time. Again, a twenty three year old

496
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: did this. And the reason they did is because the

497
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: house just grows bigger and bigger, almost like it's gonna

498
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: swallow Pam up. And I would never think about that

499
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 2: if I hadn't read someone describing it. But that's exactly

500
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: what it does.

501
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very creepy. It starts it goes under the swing,

502
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 3: which is a nice little trick. Her backside is very

503
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 3: prominently in frame, So I think at the time that

504
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 3: was their version of selling something slightly sexy. Sure, but

505
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 3: it's so foreboding and you get that blue blue sky

506
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 3: and the clouds and that up angle shot of the house,

507
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 3: like you said, and it's just it's a great, great shot.

508
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: It is. So Pam goes in there and her fate

509
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 2: is not met quite as quickly as Kirk. She stumbles

510
00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: into this room where, yeah, there's a live chicken in

511
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 2: a bird cage meant for basically canary. So the chicken's

512
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 2: almost stuffed in there. Yeah, there's feathers everywhere, there's bones everywhere,

513
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: carcass is hanging everywhere, The couches and the chairs are

514
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: all basically upholstered with bones and these weird but kind

515
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: of in a strange way, beautiful designs. And you can

516
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: just tell it's so nasty in there that she starts

517
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 2: to gag and tries to get out, And as she's

518
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: trying to get out, she meets leather Face and it

519
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: goes downhill from there.

520
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is equally as brutal. I mean, leather

521
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: Face is I don't think we said it's like six

522
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: four and how much did he weigh?

523
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: Three hundred pounds?

524
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, very large dude sort of looks like a professional wrestler,

525
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: but he's wearing a skin mask with other hair you

526
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 3: know that's not his.

527
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, like almost a curly wig. That just that makes

528
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 2: it so much worse too.

529
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, So everything he does is just you know, brutal.

530
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 3: I mean, clearly, as the movie he goes on, we

531
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: realize that he's has, you know, some pretty severe cognitive issues,

532
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 3: Like I'm not going to diagnose Bubba Leatherface, sure, but

533
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 3: at any rate, he's he's terrifying. And the way he

534
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: moves is just very sort of herky jerky, and the

535
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: way he's so big, and the way he grabs her

536
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 3: and brings her into that room. It's just it's all again.

537
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 3: It's terrifying.

538
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the other things that's terrifying that also

539
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: gets across the fact that cognitively seems to be challenged,

540
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: at least to some degree. They took away all of

541
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: the dialogue that he had written for in the script,

542
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: so he doesn't do anything but make weird sounds.

543
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, he kind of babbles at one point.

544
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: Later he does. And then also if you pay attention,

545
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: there's times where he's clearly talking, but they dub in

546
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: a hog squealing. Yeah, and it's not supposed to be

547
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: him him making a hog call, like, it's just like,

548
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: that's what came out of his mouth, weirdly, and it

549
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: happens so fast, and they don't make any kind of

550
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 2: point to point it out that when you notice it,

551
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: you're like, what the heck just happened. But it makes him,

552
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: especially if you don't notice it, even creepier. I mean,

553
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 2: the fact that he's wearing a mask made of a

554
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: dead person's face is bad enough, but all the extra

555
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: little details they put into it, the apron that he's wearing,

556
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: which clearly demonstrates he's a butcher with that chainsaw all

557
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: of the details they put together just make him one

558
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: of the great horror film villains of all time.

559
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and set the mold for the sort of

560
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 3: non verbal mask wearing dudes to come, like Michael Myers

561
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 3: and certainly Jason Voorhees for sure.

562
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: So what happens to Pam?

563
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pam gets meat hooked immediately, She gets taken into

564
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 3: this butcher room, impaled on a meat hook, but still living,

565
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: and gets to watch we finally see the chainsaw fire

566
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: up here for the first time. We get to see

567
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 3: her boyfriend, you know, get it doesn't show it, and

568
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: we'll talk about that later, but you see the leather

569
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: face fire that thing up and kind of start to

570
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 3: get to work on him.

571
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, like you said, Pam's still alive and she's

572
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: umpaled on that meat hook just a few feet from

573
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: where Kirk's body is on this table. That leather Face

574
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: is now dismembering with the chainsaw. So as she's dying,

575
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: she gets to watch that. And then I think it

576
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: goes back to the homestead where Franklin and Sally and Jerry,

577
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: who Sally's boyfriend, are still hanging out, and Jerry decides

578
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: to go look for them, drawn into the same trap

579
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: that Kirk and Pam fell for by looking for them,

580
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: and he gets picked off too. His death happened so

581
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: quickly that I actually thought for a second that he

582
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: was going to come back, because I hadn't seen it

583
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: in a while. Yeah, and then I realized, like, no,

584
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: he just he got taken out with one one hammer swing.

585
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that all makes it pretty scary too, because

586
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: there's not this big tense build up like a lot

587
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: of modern horror. People are just just very kind of

588
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: quickly and without regard.

589
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: Which makes it seem like that's probably how it would

590
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: be in that situation. It makes it more realistic, I think, yeah, totally.

591
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: And by the way, I've seen Jerry refer to as

592
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: disco Stew across the internet, because he really does bear

593
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: a resemblance to him, for sure.

594
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: So he before he gets dispatched, though, he does open

595
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 3: the freezer in the butcher room and sees that Pam

596
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: is in there and sort of barely alive and kind

597
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: of comes up, And that's right when he gets taken.

598
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: Out for sure. So Jerry's gone, Kirk and Pam are gone,

599
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: there's just Franklin and Sally left and they wait until

600
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: nightfall until they just can't not look for their friends anymore,

601
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: so they go chomping through the woods. And this is

602
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: where Hansel and Gretel really kind of becomes clear. Yeah,

603
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: Sally's pushing Franklin in his wheelchair basically overland, and as

604
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: they're wandering kind of aimlessly through the woods, they come

605
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: upon leather Face, who starts chopping Franklin up in his wheelchair,

606
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: and Sally, realizing there's nothing she can do for her brother,

607
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: takes off and this kind of chase through the woods

608
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: that leads back to leads her to the Sawyer House,

609
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: which she's not familiar with, so she goes in there

610
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: looking for help, realizes this is not the place to

611
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: find help, has to jump out a second story window,

612
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: goes back to running through the woods, and then makes

613
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: it to that original gas station slash barbecue pit, thinking

614
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: she's found safety, and it turns out that's not the

615
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: case at all.

616
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's when it all comes together that Drayton

617
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: is in on it. He's one of the family members.

618
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: He kidnaps her in a this Okay, this scene I

619
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 3: could see is maybe being kind of funny. The broom

620
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: attack when he's smacking her with the broom.

621
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if you know the little behind the scenes

622
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: trivia that Jim Seadau did not want to do that

623
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: he was basically forced to and goad it on to

624
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: actually hit Marilyn Burns with the broomstick to make it

625
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: look real. And if you know that, the first few

626
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: hits are kind of tentative and he's almost looking like

627
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: can I get away with this? And they clearly cut

628
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: and then say like, dude, you need to actually hit her,

629
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: and he does. And it's I mean, I think the

630
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: fact that he didn't want to do it and then

631
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: had to do it, there had to be some sort

632
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: of transformation in his character that you can't quite put

633
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: your finger on there.

634
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I guess I could see how that scene

635
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: could come across his bunny a little bit. But again,

636
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: it's so terrifying because the way she screams and the

637
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: brutality of it all despite the weird broom thing. Yeah, Like,

638
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: I couldn't come back to a place of laughing. There's

639
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: just no way.

640
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: No.

641
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: So I'm glad you mentioned her screaming because, like you said,

642
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of dialogue in the second and

643
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: third acts. But I can't imagine how many times they

644
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: wrote Sally screams. Yeah, she screamed, maybe more than any

645
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: other horror film victim in history. But fortunately for us,

646
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: her scream almost has like a pleasing quality to it,

647
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: and she has a huge range. It's not the same

648
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: scream over and over again. There's one point where she's like, oh, like,

649
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: it's like it's just a bunch of different screams. And

650
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: she screams a lot. So she was very rightly and

651
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: still is called a scream queen. She's one of the

652
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: scream queens. But she screams a lot in this movie.

653
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: But it it It doesn't get annoying, it's not grating,

654
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: and it just makes the whole thing that much more terrifying.

655
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't say annoying, but I kept wanting it

656
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: to stop because it's so relentless, you.

657
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: Know, sure it is. It is relentless, for sure.

658
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: It's very upsetting. So she gets taken, you know, after

659
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: the little broom fracas, she gets you know, bagged and

660
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: taken back to the house. And this is where I mean,

661
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: in a movie of disturbing scenes, maybe the most disturbing

662
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: scene is the dinner scene for sure with the whole family,

663
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: which is we don't really learn this here. I think

664
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: we just sort of learned and later in other movies

665
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: the relations. But it's three brothers, it's Bubba, Nubbins and

666
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 3: Drayton and then Grandpa. What I wondered is about the parents.

667
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: I guess that's explained maybe in prequels and stuff.

668
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

669
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have no idea because I haven't seen those.

670
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 3: But there's a grandpa who it turns out was played

671
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 3: by a nineteen year old in a face mask. Also,

672
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: the grandpa doesn't speak, and it's just this macabre dinner

673
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 3: scene where it just shows how this family of cannibals

674
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: is so like, they're all just so disturbed. It's just disgusting.

675
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. At one point, leather Face grabs Sally's finger and

676
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: cuts it with a knife and then puts her finger

677
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: in Grandpa's mouth so Grandpa can partake drinking her blood, right,

678
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: and then so she's being tormented this whole time. This

679
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: is a ten minute long scene at least depending on

680
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 2: when you say it starts.

681
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, where she's just.

682
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: Being tormented and terrorized and mocked. Nubbins the hitchhiker is

683
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: just mocking her. Please let me go, Yeah, and which

684
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: makes so much worse, and then just the terror on

685
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: her face. She sells it so well. But anyway, Grandpather,

686
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 2: who's essentially immobile and just a couple of degrees away

687
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: from catatonic. Yeah, they're like Grandpa used to be the

688
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 2: best at killing people. He could kill him with one

689
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: hammer blow. Let's let her let him kill her. So

690
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: they actually drag her over to like a metal tub,

691
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: lean her over it, her head over it so that

692
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: she doesn't get blood everywhere, and give Grandpa the hammer.

693
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: But he's so aged and so just withered, he can't

694
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: hold the hammer, so he keeps dropping it out of

695
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: his hand and it lands like in the tub next

696
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: to Sally's head, over and over again, which, oh my god, dude.

697
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: It's way scarier than if he had just hauled off

698
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: and hit her with all of his strength.

699
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: Wait, because it goes on for a minute or so.

700
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's really disturbing.

701
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: Finally she gets away, she goes through another window, and

702
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: then we reached the end of the movie.

703
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just real quick. We should mention that leather

704
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 3: Face has changed his attire for dinner and is wearing

705
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 3: a dress and a new I guess woman's skin mask

706
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: because it's all made up with this heavy, like you know,

707
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: clown makeup, almost and that just makes it even more disturbing.

708
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: Well, don't forget his lovely cravat too that he was wearing.

709
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: That's right, So Sally's getting away. She runs out of

710
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: the house. It's now sunrise daylight, which is a good

711
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: sign for Sally at this point. Also the fact that

712
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: she's the last person and she's still alive. You can

713
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: start to think like maybe Sally's gonna get away. But

714
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: she's running down the driveway and Nubbins catches up with her.

715
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: But unfortunately for Nubbins, he doesn't really take her escape

716
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: seriously and continues to mock her while he's chasing her.

717
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 3: Well, he's slashing her back with that razor the whole

718
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 3: time too.

719
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: Which I didn't notice. That is that what it is?

720
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why she ends up such a bloody mess.

721
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: I mean, besides everything else that happened to her.

722
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: Gotcha. But she makes it to the end of the

723
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: driveway to the main road with Nubbins right at her heels,

724
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: and they run out into the street. Just as a

725
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: mac truck. A tractor trailer essentially is barreling down the

726
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: street and runs right over Nubbins.

727
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Nubbins has gone a little bit of trivia.

728
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 3: The name on the side of the truck is black Maria.

729
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: M hmm.

730
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 3: I looked up to see if there was any significance

731
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 3: and I didn't verify this, But there's no way it's

732
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 3: a coincidence that Black Maria was the name of Thomas

733
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: Edison's very first motion picture studio that he built.

734
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: Oh, no, way, that's a coincidence. But also doesn't that

735
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: go to show like what students of film these filmmakers were, that.

736
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 3: They knew they totally Yeah, that had to be the

737
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: case though.

738
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that they made an homage to Thomas Edison's

739
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: first movie studio.

740
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty great. All right. So back to the movie,

741
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: Nubbins has been run over. The truck driver obviously stops.

742
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: A truck driver is played by ed g u I

743
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: n n I guess Gwenn, but very close to Ed Geen.

744
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, by.

745
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: Coincidence, I'm sure. And the truck driver is one of

746
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 3: the weird heroes of this movie. He has no lines,

747
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 3: he's in it for a couple of minutes. Only African

748
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 3: American character in here, and in a spin on that

749
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 3: trope that they're the first ones to die, he's actually

750
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 3: the only guy that inflicts any damage on this family

751
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 3: at all, because he runs over Nubbin right, and he

752
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: gets a big pipe wrench when he's getting out of

753
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 3: the truck and throws it at leather Face, which causes

754
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 3: leather Face to fall down with the chainsaw, and the

755
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: chainsaw like cuts into his own thigh.

756
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: Which is probably the most brutal thing that they show

757
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: in the entire movie. It's gross, like you can see

758
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: the fat and his leg come out like bubble out

759
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: of the wound.

760
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 3: Oh God, blake fat.

761
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: So Sally is still running around in the middle of

762
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: the road here, and luckily a pickup truck comes by

763
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: and she manages to jump in the back and now

764
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: she's finally got away. But she's clearly lost her mind

765
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: the way that she's reacting to it sinking in that

766
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: she's gotten away, and Leatherface is not happy about this.

767
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: He's very frustrated, and he shows it by swinging the

768
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: chainsaw around wildly, hair whirling. You can tell he's just

769
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: so mad and this is the only way that he

770
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: can show it or get it out. Yeah, and he's

771
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: swinging and swinging against the sunrise. And then, like you said,

772
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: it just cuts to black.

773
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and heard that shot of her in the back

774
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: of that truck with the blood oliver and her madly cackling.

775
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 3: It's it's the perfect ending and the abrupt ending, like

776
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: it's so loud with that chainsaw. Yeah, and then to cut.

777
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: I can't imagine what it was like in a theater

778
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy four. Yeah, when it cuts to black

779
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 3: and it's just dead silent, Like, what the hell did

780
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: that audience like do?

781
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: Had I been there, it wouldn't have been dead silence,

782
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: because I would have been like, that is a.

783
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 3: Great hearingvie that would have said, what did I just want?

784
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: Right by the way, pickup truck driver played by Perry Lorenz,

785
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: who I think now is an Austin real estate developer.

786
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: Okay cool. He was also the stunt driver I think

787
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: for the truck.

788
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 5: Yeah.

789
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 3: I mean you can barely see him, but got to

790
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 3: shout out Perry Lorenz.

791
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: So that's the movie. I mean, there's not that much

792
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: more to it. Honestly, it was very bare bones, which

793
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: I think again makes it that much more believable. And

794
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: we need to take a second break. I say, we

795
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: plug on and make this just one big, fat episode.

796
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: What do you think, Yeah, we gotta do it.

797
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: Okay, So we're gonna take our second break and then

798
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: we're gonna come back and you'll find out the bulk

799
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 2: of the show is still to come.

800
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 4: Chalk ad Josh stop.

801
00:40:52,080 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: Should know.

802
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: All right, So we're back. We know what happened in

803
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: the movie. You know, hopefully if you came back and

804
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: you didn't want it spoiled, this won't spoil too much

805
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 3: of it.

806
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're done with the plot.

807
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: But we need to talk about the making of the movie.

808
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 3: The film was shot in just over well right out

809
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 3: a month and thirty one days, mid July to mid August,

810
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 3: in what are now suburbs of Austin and bass Drop

811
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: and Round Rock. But I imagine then they were a

812
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: little more rural than they are now. There was you know,

813
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: weren't strip malls and stuff everywhere.

814
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: No, they look pretty rural, pretty.

815
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: Rural a little bit around aust than itself. Obviously, the heat,

816
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: the conditions were brutal, like you know, one hundred degrees

817
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: plus on the on the roads and in the streets

818
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 3: and fields, and more than that inside the Sawyer house.

819
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: M hmm, with what little film lighting they had, and

820
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: it was it was a brutal experience. They had a

821
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 3: Ford van that drove around the gear, had an old

822
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 3: camper which was the hair and makeup trailer, and shot

823
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: at basically at about six places overall.

824
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: I counted five. So I've got the Rundown gas station,

825
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: barbecue pitt, the abandoned house which is the hardest e homestead,

826
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: the neglected cemetery, the dirt road, and then the Sawyer

827
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: family house.

828
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 3: Then you're in the van too. Baby.

829
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's great man. You just blew my mind.

830
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. So basically six ish places, which is a great

831
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: way to you know, write a cheap independent film, you know,

832
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 3: as a just a little tip.

833
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were again they were on a shoe string.

834
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 2: I suspect that the Ford van they used to carry

835
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: the film equipment around was the same Ford van that

836
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: the teenagers drive around in.

837
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 3: I bet it was. That was my hunch.

838
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 2: And they also apparently got some guff because the road

839
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: scenes that they filmed, they did not get a permit.

840
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: For Oh, I'm surprised he got a permit for any

841
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 3: of it.

842
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: Right, So, unfortunately for the cast and crew, most of

843
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: the filming was done in the Sawyer House. And again,

844
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: like you said, one hundred degrees outside, apparently in the

845
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: house for our friends except in Liberia who used the

846
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: metric system, that's thirty seven point eight degrees celsius.

847
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: Which seems very cold to me.

848
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 2: Right, And apparently it got ten degrees more than that

849
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: inside the house. And because this film was inspired in

850
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: part by egg Gean, the production designer Bob Burns used

851
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: photos that were taken like crime scene photos taken in

852
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: Egggan's house as inspiration for the set decoration.

853
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Toby Hooper himself said that the movie

854
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 3: is about meat. Yeah, it's a case for veganism. Apparently

855
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: he became a vegan during and you found out that

856
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 3: Guillermo del Toro apparently became a vegan after seeing the

857
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: movie as well. And I'm sure they're not the only ones.

858
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you look out for that, all of

859
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: the meat eating that's done in the movie is disgusting.

860
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

861
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 2: The truck that runs over Nubbins is a cattle truck

862
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: that is empty, which means it just is returning from

863
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: having dropped off a bunch of cows at a slaughterhouse.

864
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: They talk a lot about that.

865
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they talk about a slaughterhouse nearby. Yeah, it

866
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. And also not to mention

867
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 2: that there's that live chicken, tons of carcasses hanging everywhere,

868
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: lots of like sausages and stuff all over the house, skins, bones,

869
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: all that stuff. It just it makes sense, like because

870
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: if there's one word, it screams its meat.

871
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well Franklin's chewing on that looks like a raw sausage. Yeah,

872
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: it's pretty gross for a while. In that one scene

873
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 3: where he's trying to get into his old grandparents' house,

874
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: and the implication here is that these the Draytons are

875
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: this is, you know, human meat that they're grinding up

876
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 3: into sausage. It's never explicitly said, but I think that's

877
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: what you're supposed to believe.

878
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's what the barbecue that they're selling.

879
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 3: Is made from, too, right, Well that's what I mean.

880
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

881
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: Okay, So because Bob Burns is hanging actual meat around

882
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: this house, and because it's one hundred and ten degrees

883
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: in the house. The house started to smell wretchedly, so

884
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: much so I saw from multiple sources that they would

885
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: go outside between takes and throw up sometimes. Yes, at

886
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 2: the very least they had to get out to get

887
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: some air because it got gainy in there, terribly nasty

888
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: just from the meat. But then you also throw in

889
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: what the actors themselves must have smelled like, because they

890
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: had one set of clothing. Yeah, and they had to

891
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: wear it every day for the shoot, because this action

892
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: takes place over just one day.

893
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, usually when you shoot a movie of multiples

894
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 3: of your clothes, so if something happen to them, obviously

895
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: you can switch it out, or if they get stinky,

896
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: you can switch them out. On a modern movie, they

897
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: probably have like eight versions of the chainsaw. They had

898
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: one chainsaw, so on a budget you just get one

899
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 3: of everything. So they were very stinky. They had Bill Parsley,

900
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: the you know, one of the early financiers, stopping by

901
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: almost every day basically saying like when are you going

902
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 3: to wrap this picture? Threatening to shut it down. They shot,

903
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: you know, twelve to eighteen hours a day. One day

904
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 3: they went for twenty six hours inside that house. Obviously

905
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: they're blacking out the windows because most of it takes

906
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: place at night in that house, which is you know,

907
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: psychologically that's upsetting to a cast and crew for sure.

908
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: Also, like this experience of just being treated like this

909
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: during filming the cast itself, like in real life, like

910
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: there was a lot of tension, a lot of squabbling

911
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: and bickering and people just kind of being disgruntled, and

912
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: that came through from other stuff. I've read that Toby

913
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: Hooper was making that, like really beefing that kind of

914
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: tension up to get more just angst out of his actors.

915
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally using that to his advantage, as every great

916
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 3: manipulating director should.

917
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: Sure he also isolated Gooner Hansen, who played Leatherface. I

918
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: read that each of the actors who was dispatched by

919
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: Leatherface met Gooner Hansen when they filmed their scene for

920
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: the first time. Yeah, so that they couldn't get comfortable

921
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: with him. And we're I mean again, like you said,

922
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: six foot four, three hundred pounds and the chainsaw, it

923
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: was a poolin and apparently it's one of their heavier ones,

924
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: and he's just swinging this around like it's nothing. So

925
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: clearly he was an intimidating person in real life, and

926
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: again that was something Toby Hooper did to manipulate things.

927
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he stayed in character too, which is also

928
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: means he's walking around either babbling or or not saying anything.

929
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: I don't imagine they had a recording of a pig

930
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: square ill to that he could just kind of play

931
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 3: for fun as he walked around.

932
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

933
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, but it's uh, they were, they were. It

934
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 3: wasn't a pleasant shoot.

935
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: I also read that the guy who played Franklin, Paul Partain,

936
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 2: stayed in character as well, and everyone hated him. Yeah,

937
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 2: so there was also physical suffering too. We talked about

938
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: how Marilyn Burns was actually hit in the head with

939
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: the broomstick to make it more realistic looking. Uh, she was.

940
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: She did almost all of her own stunts from what

941
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: I could tell. A woman named Mary Church was the

942
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: only stunt she did was actually jumping out of the windows.

943
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, bad wig in that shot, Yeah for sure.

944
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 2: But when when Sally falls down over you know whatever,

945
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 2: when she's running through mesquite and gets trapped in it,

946
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: running through cockle burrs like that was actually Marilyn Burns,

947
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 2: the actress, having to do that over and over.

948
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you get that sense too when she's freaking

949
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 3: out in that long chase scene through the thick. It's

950
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: terrifying and it looks like she's not enjoying things at all,

951
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 3: as you know, So it comes really comes across on film, Yeah.

952
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: Because she gets stuck and she's like ah and has

953
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: to pull herself out and yeah, I think she really did.

954
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then you know the we mentioned in the

955
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: plot the scene again this is a big spoiler. At

956
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 3: one point her fingers cut at the dinner scene and

957
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 3: it's put into the mouth of Grandpa to suckle her blood.

958
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 3: Apparently the blood squib didn't work and they really cut

959
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 3: her finger, and that nineteen year old grandpa kid and

960
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: the face mask really drank her blood.

961
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, unknowingly apparently until after year.

962
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: Good god.

963
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: So one of the things that people point to is

964
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 2: what made this movie so great? Was this the inexperience

965
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: of these novice filmmakers. Yeah, we said that Daniel Pearl,

966
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: the cinematographer, was twenty three. Toby Hooper apparently was the

967
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 2: oldest at twenty nine. Yeah, and they had like documentary backgrounds.

968
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: Daniel Pearl was he apparently caught Toby Hooper's eye from

969
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: a Texas Department of Public Safety PSA, right.

970
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: Like blood spills Red on the Highway kind of.

971
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: Thing, Yeah, basically, except this is about a drug bust

972
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: and Toby Hooper noticed, like, wow, that was shot really

973
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 2: interestingly and who did that. That's how they came together.

974
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: They made their own dollies out of wood, their own

975
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: crane out of wood too, I believe. And then the

976
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: editing too, gets a lot of credit for making the

977
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: movie what it was.

978
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like we said it's a trim eighty

979
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 3: three minutes. You can thank Larry Carroll and Sally Richardson

980
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 3: as the editors for just you know, like I kept mentioning,

981
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 3: like the speed at which the kills happen and the

982
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: abruptness in which they end and with the movie ends,

983
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 3: like those are all just great editing decisions to like,

984
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: you know, it's tough because you know they call it

985
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 3: like losing your babies. You don't want to lose stuff

986
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 3: you shot or the great line. But a good editor

987
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 3: knows like no, tighter is better, shorter is better, and

988
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: it helps create a lot of the unsettling feeling. I

989
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: think by how quickly they cut away to stuff for sure.

990
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 2: So they finally got it done. I think I said,

991
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: three hundred grand is the highest I saw as an

992
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: estimate for what they actually what the budget actually was.

993
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: They got it done to eighty three minutes, they had

994
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: the final cut. They have investors like breathing down their

995
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 2: neck because remember they initially got eighty grand. The budget

996
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: ended up being three hundred grand, So Toby Hooper and

997
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: Kim Hankel kept having to go back and find new

998
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: people to get them money. And over time a lot

999
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: of different investors, including the cast and crew, owned that movie.

1000
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: They owned portions of it, and as true indie filmmakers,

1001
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 2: Kim Hankel and Toby Hooper watered down their own share

1002
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: to get the money to get the movie completed, and

1003
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: they ended up just with a seven and a half

1004
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: percent cut each. These are the guys who thought of

1005
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: and made the movie. They ended up with fifteen percent

1006
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: between them.

1007
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, I mean, we'll see, it made

1008
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 3: a ton of money, but how those things pay out,

1009
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: It just it never pays out like you think it would.

1010
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 3: Even though it was cheap to make and made a

1011
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 3: ton of money. That got creative accounting and in this

1012
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 3: case sort of mob accounting, right, because well, I guess

1013
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 3: we should say first, it did get picked up. The commissioner,

1014
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 3: Warren Scarn that we were talking about, the Film Commissioner

1015
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: of Texas shopped it around. You know, there weren't a

1016
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 3: ton of big movies being shot in Texas at the time,

1017
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: so it was sort of a you know, before Robert

1018
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: Rodriguez and Richard Linkladder put Austin on the map, Toby

1019
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: Hooper was first, so it wasn't like a big film scene,

1020
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: so it took the film commissioner to really champion it

1021
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 3: for distribution. Almost got bought by Columbia. Eventually was bought

1022
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 3: by the distribution company who put out Deep Throat, the

1023
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 3: famous porn and their name was Brianston Distributing Company.

1024
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: Yes, and their whole business model was based just generate

1025
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: as much publicity as you can. Negative publicity is just

1026
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: as good as positive, yeah, and then they would just

1027
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: promote the heck out of it, publicize all of this

1028
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: outrage and everything that the movie was getting. And the

1029
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 2: reason why is because they couldn't afford traditional marketing. As

1030
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 2: it worked out, it was basically a shell game house

1031
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: of cards, and like you said, it was a mobbed

1032
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: up movie distribution company.

1033
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Brianston was owned by the Colombo crime family

1034
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 3: or you know members of that family, specifically Big Tony Perino.

1035
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 3: He also helped finance the part of this film and

1036
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 3: other of their films. And yeah, I think they distributed

1037
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: Dark Star from John Carpenter, which is a sci fi

1038
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 3: cult classic. But because it was mob connected, it was

1039
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: kind of one of those things where they knew that

1040
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 3: no one was going to see the money. They were

1041
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 3: probably owed. And I think, you know, some of them

1042
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 3: made a little bit of money, but the total even

1043
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 3: though it made well, we'll talk about the grosses, but

1044
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 3: I think a little over a quarter of a million

1045
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 3: bucks are a little under a quarter of a million

1046
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 3: bucks to dole out to everybody.

1047
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the cast and crew was left with eighty

1048
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars to split between them.

1049
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 3: So I mean it's not terrible.

1050
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 2: No, it's not great either. I mean, divide that by

1051
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: about twenty. Oh.

1052
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 3: I don't think those extras got much if anything.

1053
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: Okay, still so divided by ten because the crew was

1054
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: involved too.

1055
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying they got paid a lot, but

1056
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 3: in today dollars, if that cast walked away with like

1057
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 3: five grand then, I mean, that's not terrible for an

1058
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 3: indie movie.

1059
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 2: Sure, the investors sued Brianston, and there was a judge

1060
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: who ruled like, yeah, you need to give them more

1061
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 2: money than that, and Brianston said, we would if we could,

1062
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: but we're bankrupt now, so see you guys later. Finally,

1063
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: New Line picked it up in nineteen eighty three and

1064
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 2: some real money started to flow in, but still not

1065
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 2: much trickled down to the people who actually made the movie.

1066
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. One of the most startling facts of

1067
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 3: this whole podcast to me is it Toby Hooper was

1068
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 3: trying for a PG rating. Yeah, it was pre PG thirteen.

1069
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 3: The board the NPA basically said that meatthook scene, like,

1070
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 3: you can't have that in your movie at all and

1071
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 3: get a PG thirty get a PG rating Because he

1072
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 3: was like, how could I cut that scene in a

1073
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 3: way that gets it a PG And they're like they're incompatible,

1074
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 3: my friend.

1075
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: Right, and he responded with you come on.

1076
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got an X rating instead.

1077
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 2: Yeah he did. He managed to lobby it down to

1078
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: an R because this is the time when you got

1079
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: an X rating, like you can kiss any success for

1080
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 2: your movie. Goodbye, unless, of course Brianston owns it, because

1081
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 2: we should say being distributed by Brianston wasn't a total

1082
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Speaker 2: like scam or a bust. They actually did do some

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00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: good stuff. Like we said, they generated some really negative

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00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: publicity and then publicized that they also made managed to

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00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: get this film the year it came out into the

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00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 2: Museum of Modern Arts permanent collection. You can believe they

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00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: publicized that they also got it shown it can yeah,

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Speaker 2: which is I mean we could say like that's actually

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Speaker 2: some a couple of good things that they did for

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Speaker 2: sure for the movie, which certainly remember this when it

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00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: came out, it's going to be a drive in b

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00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 2: movie slasher film, and before anyone knew what a slasher

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00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: film really was, and then it would probably be gone

1094
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 2: in a month or two at best. And these things

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00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 2: started to help make it like, Okay, maybe we should

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00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: pay a little more attention to this, because at first

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00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 2: the critics panned it, and then they started to see like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: actually there's some really good cinematic stuff in here that

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Speaker 2: we're overlooking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it grossed more than The Great Gatsby

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00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 3: that year Chinatown Death Wish it took in in that

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Speaker 3: year's dollars about twenty six million bucks and change. Eventually

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Speaker 3: went on to gross one hundred and fifty million dollars

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Speaker 3: in present day dollars, so it was a At one

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00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,959
Speaker 3: point it was known as the most successful independent film

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Speaker 3: of all time money wise, right.

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Speaker 2: I think Rocky knocked it out a couple of years later,

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Speaker 2: from what I understand, but it was definitely huge.

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Speaker 3: Rocky knocked it out. You're sure it wasn't the TJ Wow.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even mean to do that. The spirit of

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00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 2: Jonathan Strickland just flowed through.

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Speaker 3: Me, that's right. But yeah, you mentioned the critics. They,

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00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 3: you know, they kind of got on board a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Like rex Reid said, it was, you know, the most

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Speaker 3: terrifying like me film he'd ever seen. Ebert said it

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Speaker 3: was some kind of weird off the wall achievement. I

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00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 3: can't imagine why anyone would want to make a movie

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Speaker 3: like this, and yet it's well made, well acted, and

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Speaker 3: all too effective.

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Speaker 2: Right. But they still ultimately said they panned it, right,

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Speaker 2: although I don't think rex Reid did. I think he

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00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 2: might have given it a thumbs up, however he did that,

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Speaker 2: But they would invariably say that it was blood soaked

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Speaker 2: that it was gory and those that's just not true

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Speaker 2: because if you watch the movie, there is very little blood,

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Speaker 2: very little gore, and a lot of the violence is

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00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: just implied it's not actually shown. Certainly, you don't see

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Speaker 2: the meat hook go into Pam now, but you see

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00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: her dangling from a meat hook, and that confused people

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00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: at first. So people walked away thinking they just seen

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Speaker 2: a ton of gore and blood and they hadn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's a good point. That the hammer

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00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 3: blows are kind of shot from far away and very fast,

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00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 3: and again, you know, you don't see blood spatter everywhere.

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Speaker 3: There's just an overall like the NPA to just say,

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00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 3: hey man, I don't care if we don't see one

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00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 3: drop of blood. This gets an X for disturbing factor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could see that too, And I

1139
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: mean it's a credit to Toby Hooper that he managed

1140
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 2: to get it reduced to an R. But yeah, you

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00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: can imagine his disappointment making the film based on the

1142
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: idea that he was making it a PG movie. I mean,

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00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: that's just as naive as it gets really for a filmmaker.

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00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, And it really you know, like I

1145
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 3: said in our act one that really set a standard

1146
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 3: for films to come, slasher films, teenagers kind of driving

1147
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 3: through the woods and coming upon an abandoned, seemingly abandoned place.

1148
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 3: This was the first movie to do that stuff. Really

1149
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 3: like horror movies before this, A lot of them were

1150
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 3: the hammer movies, like the Gothic like Vampire and the

1151
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 3: Castle kind of stuff. The final Girl trope was either

1152
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 3: birth with this or which one Black Christmas?

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00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Those two usually are the rivals for the first one, yeah.

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00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 3: And the final Girl is obviously the trope where there's

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00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 3: one girl left alive at the end, you know, the

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00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 3: last either victim or one who survives. And those movies

1157
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 3: were both released in the same year and clearly didn't

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00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 3: know about one another, So I give them the co lead.

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00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 2: And like I said, over time, people started to especially

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00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: film appreciate, started to see this as like a cinematic treasure,

1161
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: a masterpiece. Quentin Tarantino apparently listeded among six perfect movies,

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01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: among the likes of Jaws, Exorcists, Young Frankenstein, and Back

1163
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 2: to the Future in any Hall like People. Apparently, Stanley

1164
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: Kubrick owned a thirty five millimeter print of it himself.

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01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: That's kind of all you need to say right there.

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01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: But maybe in spite of that, or because of that,

1167
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: or whatever, everyone agrees that you could never remake the

1168
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: Texas Chainsaw Masaker and capture the spirit of the original

1169
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 2: because of the way that it was hamstrung, all the

1170
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: different ways it was hamstrong, and the inexperience and naivety

1171
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: of the filmmakers, which also freed them up to take

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01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: chances that an experienced filmmaker wouldn't take, like dubbing in

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01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 2: a hog squeal instead of a voice for leatherface. At

1174
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: some point you put all that together, you just can't

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01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 2: recapture that.

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01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 3: No, you can't. Sometimes there's just a way you shoot

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01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 3: a movie. You capture lightning in a bottle. I read

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01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 3: The Dazed and Confused Oral History recently. That's a great

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01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 3: book that was sort of a similar movie. Like that's

1180
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 3: why that was maybe the best movie about teenagers in

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01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 3: high school of all time, because of the way they

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01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 3: did it and the inexperience and like, you don't know

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01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 3: what you don't know, And this movie is very much

1184
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 3: the same thing, like they've tried. There been countless sequels

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01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 3: and remakes. I think it would have been like nine

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01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 3: or ten of them now.

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01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: If you want to count them.

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01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you know, none of them hold a

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01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 3: candle to this. Most of them are not very good

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01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 3: for my money. The thing that comes closest is Rob

1191
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:47,959
Speaker 3: Zombie's House of one Thousand Corpses in Spirit and which

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01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 3: was you know, this was a very big influence on

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01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 3: that movie, obviously, But I don't think anything. And again

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01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 3: I haven't seen these, but I've seen enough of them

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01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 3: and read enough about them where it seems like none

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01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 3: of them come close.

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Speaker 2: I also see Wolf Cree and X as given high

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Speaker 2: marks for being inspired by the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and

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Speaker 2: managing to do something worthwhile too.

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Speaker 3: Wolf Creek is great. I don't think I know x X.

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01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 2: It's part of the Maxine trilogy. X Girl and Maxine

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01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: the first thing.

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01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw those, Okay, I forgot it was called X.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 3: Those are all good too.

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Speaker 2: I've only seen X. Are the other two worth watching too?

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Speaker 3: I think?

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Speaker 5: So?

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01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: Okay? And then so I think John Landis put it

1210
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: how impossible it would be to remake or capture that

1211
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 2: same spirit from the original Texas Chainsaw Masacre when he

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01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: described the remake in two thousand and three, like a

1213
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 2: shampoo commercial kids at across.

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01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a pretty sick burn.

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01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 2: Wow, you got anything else?

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01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 3: I got nothing else. I try to watch this every Halloween.

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01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 3: I don't know why it took me so long to

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01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 3: see it, because I had gotten into horror movies in

1219
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 3: the past, like twenty years more and more. It was

1220
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 3: just kind of hanging out there until a few years

1221
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 3: ago and I was like, wait a minute, I've never

1222
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 3: seen the granddaddy of them all.

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01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you watch it, you said, wow, this

1224
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 2: is a great movie.

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01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 3: I no, no, you know what I said.

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Speaker 2: We got to watch it together. I want to just

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Speaker 2: watch you watch.

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Speaker 3: It, all right, we'll do it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, since Chuck agreed to let me watch him

1230
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 2: while he watches the Texas chainsaw massacre as it was

1231
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 2: predicted in two thousand and eight by Chuck Shredamis himself,

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Speaker 2: I just triggered listener mail.

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Speaker 3: This is from Tequarius. Hey guys, Nineteen years ago, when

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01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 3: I was just thirteen, I was allowed to visit our

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Speaker 3: local skating rink along with my uncle as an experience

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Speaker 3: that stood out for my previous visits because that night

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01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 3: was full of black culture left a lasting impact on me,

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Speaker 3: and I would often jokingly think to myself, it must

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01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 3: have been black night or something. After listening to your

1240
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 3: roller skating episode, I was astonished to learn that such

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Speaker 3: events were actually a thing after the Civil Rights movement.

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Speaker 3: I'm uncertain whether that night was a tradition that dated

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01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 3: back to that time, but I like to think that

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01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 3: it was and that I was a part of the experience.

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01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 3: Thank you for helping me a black man make connections

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01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 3: that I was completely unaware of. And he attached a

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01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 3: photograph from that night that he took with his uncle

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Speaker 3: and his friends. That was pretty sweet and a time capsule,

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Speaker 3: and he said, have a great day, guys, and that

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Speaker 3: is from Tiquarius. McMurray.

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Speaker 2: Nice. Thanks to Quarius. That's a great one. I love

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01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 2: that episode in part to that because I had no

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01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 2: idea about that either. Yeah, same, that's awesome. If you

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Speaker 2: have recently listened to an old episode and want to

1255
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 2: tell us what you think about it, Like Taquarius, we

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Speaker 2: love that kind of stuff. You can send it off

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Speaker 2: to Stuff Podcasts at iHeartRadio dot com.

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