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Speaker 2: belief and manipulation from two young Thespians who've actually experienced it.

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Speaker 2: I am Lola Blanc.

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Speaker 5: And I'm making Elizabeth, who're not that young.

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Speaker 2: But today our guest is Christy Carlston Romano, whom you

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Speaker 2: may remember from the shows Even Stevens and Kim Possible,

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Speaker 2: and who now hosts a podcast called Vulnerable. She's gonna

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Speaker 2: talk to us about being a child actor, where the

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Speaker 2: difference is between being a high achieving kid who's been

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Speaker 2: pressured into performing by stage parents versus an authentically ambitious

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Speaker 5: Vulnerable is one.

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Speaker 6: Of my newest favorite podcast ps. We'll discuss the shortcomings

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Speaker 6: of current protections for child performers in the industry, ways

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Speaker 6: Plus why Lola hated Leanne rhymes as a kid.

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Speaker 6: I also read I'm Glad my Mom died by Jane mccurtie,

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Speaker 6: Okay, so I haven't been doing a lot this week

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Speaker 5: It just dropped.

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Speaker 6: You probably haven't been able to watch it yet, I'm

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Speaker 6: So while watching it, I'm like, this is the best antidote.

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Speaker 6: This is the best this is the best serum and

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Speaker 6: the best ointment for religious trauma I've ever seen in

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Speaker 5: Like it is so shame busting.

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Speaker 6: It takes things that are so sometimes like really entrenched

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Speaker 2: I love it. I've only seen like two episodes. They

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Speaker 2: portraying these religious leaders as like total buffoons, total scam artists,

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Speaker 5: No, let's just get to the thing. Just kidding.

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Speaker 2: How crazy is that it happens everywhere? You know, we

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Speaker 4: Crazy.

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Speaker 8: What's the first thing you booked?

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Speaker 4: Thank you for asking.

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Speaker 9: I booked a toy commercial called Warm and Tender and.

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Speaker 4: Hey, my daughter is literally coming into this because.

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Speaker 10: Okay, Well, there you go. See this is my parenting style.

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Speaker 10: It's very different anything we grew up with.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, so so big, thank you.

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Speaker 9: This was really kind of kismet that that happened though,

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Speaker 9: Totally went off, But basically I went to LA with

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Speaker 9: my mom and I booked Even Stevens, which was my

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Speaker 9: first Disney series, and I just started working with them

449
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Speaker 9: and didn't really stop till I was like twenty one.

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Speaker 2: How old were you when you booked it?

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Speaker 9: So I was fourteen, and by the time we were

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Speaker 9: greenlit and on set, I was like, it was like

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Speaker 9: my sixteenth birthday.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 9: So it took about a year of development for them

456
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Speaker 9: to know that they were gonna, you know, make the

457
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Speaker 9: sets and everything else. And so by sixteen was when

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Speaker 9: I was in it.

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Speaker 1: What does it feel like to be a fourteen year

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Speaker 1: old and book at Disney Show?

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Speaker 9: I mean because I had been working from the time

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Speaker 9: I was six and a half in traveling.

487
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Speaker 4: I've lived a million lives to.

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Speaker 9: Just get to that point, and so it was a

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Speaker 9: little ant It was a little anti climatics, you know.

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Speaker 4: What I mean.

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Speaker 9: It was like it, Okay, this is the feeling I'm

492
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Speaker 9: supposed to have, and so you get a little resentful.

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Speaker 9: I've I've written about this and whatnot about I had

494
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Speaker 9: this weird fascination obsession even with being normal, I felt

495
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Speaker 9: like a misfit for so long.

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Speaker 4: I felt like a theater kid. Like all I really.

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Speaker 9: Wanted was to be in the back of a jeep

498
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Speaker 9: going to the beach with my friends. Like I had

499
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Speaker 9: this fantasy of what going to a high school party

500
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Speaker 9: would be like, and I tried to create that. I

501
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Speaker 9: tried to create certain kinds of friendships and friendship circles,

502
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Speaker 9: but like I could never be fully relied upon. You know,

503
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Speaker 9: the accountability was almost like very much. It was not synonymous,

504
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Speaker 9: Like I could not have any accountability.

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Speaker 8: What why?

506
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Speaker 9: Because if I joined dance team, I wouldn't be able

507
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Speaker 9: to like be there at the championship game or something,

508
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Speaker 9: or like, you know, it's kind of it was kind

509
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Speaker 9: of one of those things that permeated throughout my social structure.

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Speaker 4: I just couldn't have a balance thing.

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Speaker 9: And so like later in life, it was even harder

512
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Speaker 9: to kind of relate to people because then you were

513
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Speaker 9: famous and people knew you for who you were, or

514
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 9: if they didn't know you, once they knew it was

515
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Speaker 9: like oh cool. Yeah, And so things became you know,

516
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Speaker 9: things became more transactional, and that was that was not

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Speaker 9: something I was prepared for.

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Speaker 1: I remember when Lindsay Lohan did Kirby Fully Loaded. She

519
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Speaker 1: kept not showing up to set because she wanted to

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Speaker 1: like party with her friends.

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Speaker 8: This is just what I read, and the tabloids.

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Speaker 1: As like a young lady, and I was like, I

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Speaker 1: get that. Imagine all of your friends are going out

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Speaker 1: and you have to work, and you are a kid

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Speaker 1: and you have a like job that you just can't

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Speaker 1: go out at night with your friends. I mean, everybody

527
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Speaker 1: was judging her, but I was like, I wouldn't want

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Speaker 1: to go to work on a Saturday night when my

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Speaker 1: friends were all going out.

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Speaker 5: That's crazy, you know, Like it's it's that's empathy.

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Speaker 4: That's some empathy right there. Like I get that. That's good.

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Speaker 4: That's really good. We needed more of that. We needed

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Speaker 4: more of that hard.

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Speaker 1: That's hard to be working full time when other kids

535
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Speaker 1: are being kids.

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Speaker 3: For sure.

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Speaker 9: And you know, I think with Lindsay from my experience

538
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Speaker 9: of her, she came from similar background to me. So

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Speaker 9: she's from the East Coast, she's from a working class family,

540
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Speaker 9: and she was super precocious from an early age. Everybody

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Speaker 9: knew that that sensibility that she had that felt very

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Speaker 9: beyond her years. And you know, her dad and even

543
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Speaker 9: I can relate to that because my dad really didn't

544
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Speaker 9: keep a job that much. He was sort of a

545
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Speaker 9: renaissance man, if you want to call it that, right,

546
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Speaker 9: And so I think with her dad, it's like you

547
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 9: could feel his presence in her career at times louder

548
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Speaker 9: than her name. And then the mom and like that

549
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 9: sort of thing was all very public for her, and

550
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Speaker 9: so you know, it just becomes so confusing when the

551
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Speaker 9: structure of it just it's exploited in a way like, oh,

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Speaker 9: this is your mom, this is your dad, But what

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Speaker 9: can we make of this for headlines rather than let's

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Speaker 9: give this to you.

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Speaker 4: You're a kid, let's give that to you. Yeah, you

556
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Speaker 4: don't get free. I don't like here's the thing.

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Speaker 9: I don't want to endorse giving bad behavior free passes.

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Speaker 9: You know, it's like, don't keep hiring the person. You know,

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Speaker 9: there's tons of other actresses that you know are in

560
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Speaker 9: a better frame of mind for that. But yeah, it is,

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Speaker 9: it's still it's still something to consider in a different

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Speaker 9: way than we did in the two thousands.

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Speaker 2: O the two thousands, the tablets and the two thousands.

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Speaker 2: I do not envy people who are famous in that

565
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Speaker 2: women who are famous in particular girls in that time

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Speaker 2: horrifying for sure.

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Speaker 8: For sure, were you like paparazzied?

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Speaker 9: Never so like as much as you feel like, okay,

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Speaker 9: the paparazzi was really awful for people. And this goes

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Speaker 9: to show you not even just the displacement factor, but

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Speaker 9: like the concept that for every Lindsay Lohan, there's another.

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Speaker 4: Person that's not made it.

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Speaker 9: There's like thousands of people for every one Lindsay Lohan

574
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Speaker 9: who have displaced themselves from their family and are quote

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Speaker 9: unquote failing at becoming famous.

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Speaker 1: And you know, oh, right, like you were failing at

577
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Speaker 1: becoming famous even though you were on all these shows.

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Speaker 9: Yes, I definitely feel like that was Wow.

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Speaker 2: I'm speechless I mean, for one, I felt like I

580
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Speaker 2: was failing, but that's because I wasn't successful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 9: You know what, you guys make a really great point,

583
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Speaker 9: like this is a big privilege to be able to,

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Speaker 9: like this many years later chat with you about the

585
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Speaker 9: impact that I've made, and like, I want to be

586
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Speaker 9: grateful for that, and I recognize that, but I've also

587
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Speaker 9: had to fight for that relevancy. Like if I hadn't

588
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Speaker 9: come back and done social media and YouTube and like

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Speaker 9: claim the narrative of having a struggle, I would just

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Speaker 9: be still sort of silently that's you know.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So but that being said, you're right, I shouldn't

593
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Speaker 9: have felt that way. If I would have had a

594
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Speaker 9: little bit more support in certain ways, I think I

595
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Speaker 9: could have understood.

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Speaker 8: I mean, what did that feel?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 7: Shit?

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Speaker 4: I felt like shit for early time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I just think like I was really pushing myself in

602
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Speaker 9: a lot of different ways. I think physically, when you're

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Speaker 9: on set for twelve hours a day, eventually once you

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Speaker 9: hit sixteen eighteen and you're going home and you're tutoring

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Speaker 9: because you don't like the teachers on set, which is

606
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Speaker 9: what I was doing because I really wanted to get

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Speaker 9: to college because normal, and that was my be all

608
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Speaker 9: end all. And the funny thing that happened to me

609
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Speaker 9: was I was burning out and I didn't realize it.

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Speaker 4: And so eventually what happened was is I.

611
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Speaker 9: Made it to an Ivy League school, and I had

612
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Speaker 9: booked a couple of really big pilots, so when they

613
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Speaker 9: didn't go, it was like a win win. It's like, okay,

614
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Speaker 9: well my pilot from the Creator Friends didn't go, so

615
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Speaker 9: now I get to go to columb University, and so

616
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Speaker 9: everybody's happy, right, But I don't know if I had

617
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Speaker 9: ever checked out with what I would have wanted to do,

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Speaker 9: which would probably been to take a year off, right,

619
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Speaker 9: you know, like a gap year just to be like, okay,

620
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Speaker 9: let me just let me just process that phase of

621
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Speaker 9: my life. And you know, that just wasn't in the cards.

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Speaker 9: With my parenting structure.

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Speaker 4: It was like, go, go, go be the best. So

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Speaker 4: I went to the best school.

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Speaker 9: And then a little bit after going there, I realized, oh,

626
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Speaker 9: I'm not socially equipped to handle all this, Like not

627
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Speaker 9: just the academics of it. That wasn't as bad, but

628
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Speaker 9: it was more or less like the boyfriends and the

629
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Speaker 9: you know, gossip and the basically just being a celebrity

630
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Speaker 9: on a regular campus. It was like very much not

631
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Speaker 9: I was not prepared. So about a year and a

632
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Speaker 9: half in I left because Disney had asked me to

633
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Speaker 9: play bell on Broadway, and I was like, please, okay,

634
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Speaker 9: let me.

635
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Speaker 4: Get out of here, let me get out of this

636
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Speaker 4: is one of the normal like dystopia that I.

637
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Speaker 9: Thought I wanted so badly, So that's kind of where

638
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Speaker 9: I ended up doing Beauty and the Beasts.

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Speaker 2: The thing that I always think about and wonder about

640
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Speaker 2: with people who do become famous, even on a smaller

641
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Speaker 2: level at a young age, is like something I've heard

642
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Speaker 2: you talk about a little bit was like you're still

643
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Speaker 2: forming your own identity, and this identity is kind of

644
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: being fed to you of a person that you have

645
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Speaker 2: to be in a way that you have to behave,

646
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Speaker 2: Like how did that shape who you thought that you

647
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Speaker 2: were and how you conceived of yourself?

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Speaker 4: Wonderful questions.

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Speaker 9: I think that I fed into the archetype of being perfect,

650
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Speaker 9: and in some ways it saved me because it partially

651
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 9: was who I wanted to be. Right Like I loved

652
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Speaker 9: Ren Stevens. I think we and the you know, the writers,

653
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 9: they write to your sensibilities, so they wanted it to

654
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Speaker 9: feel authentic, and of course they knew that that would

655
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Speaker 9: produce the best content. So you know, I very much

656
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 9: had some similarities to Ren Stevens, where I was academically

657
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Speaker 9: focused and I did want to be the best, and

658
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Speaker 9: I was from an uptight East Coast family, and you know,

659
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Speaker 9: with Shia being my co star, it was like he

660
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Speaker 9: was this loose, kind of vagabond kid, and he was

661
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Speaker 9: wild and he was funny, and it was like, wow,

662
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Speaker 9: oil and water, let's shake it up and put it

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Speaker 9: on TV.

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Speaker 8: I don't know, and.

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Speaker 4: It makes sense. I mean, you know, it's like, okay,

666
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Speaker 4: it's business.

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Speaker 9: But but behind the scenes we were all kind of

668
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Speaker 9: doing having our struggles.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So I was very grateful to Disney, though, I

671
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 9: will say that they kept casting me in these very

672
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 9: positive role models as Kim Possible, who can do anything,

673
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 9: and then even kid at Kelly it was like this

674
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Speaker 9: like you know, strict bully girl, but ended up having

675
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Speaker 9: a heart of gold and very like strong empowered girls.

676
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Speaker 4: And over time when people would come.

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Speaker 9: To me and say, you know, You've had such a

678
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Speaker 9: big impact on me. It even if I was at

679
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Speaker 9: a dark place. It would be a little bit of

680
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Speaker 9: light for me because of the archetype that I was

681
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Speaker 9: kind of put into.

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Speaker 4: So it's not all bad, that's for sure.

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Speaker 8: That's such a great point.

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Speaker 1: I never thought about that, Like a lot of people

685
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Speaker 1: written as the dumb person or the you know.

686
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Speaker 4: Token something. Yeah, and it can be very damage.

687
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 8: We're given this role.

688
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Speaker 1: We also heard you say that you would take on

689
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Speaker 1: certain aspects of different roles that you were playing. So

690
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Speaker 1: then you have the identity of yourself, which no kid

691
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: knows their identity yet, the identity of the characters that

692
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Speaker 1: are playing, then the identity that the media needs of you,

693
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Speaker 1: and you're just like drowning and what the fuck?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that the identity that the media needed

695
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Speaker 9: when we talk about archetypes, like Disney's archetypes were very

696
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Speaker 9: safe for me. But when I left the Disney age range,

697
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Speaker 9: and I wasn't going to just be sort of taken

698
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Speaker 9: on too free form, which at that point was like

699
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Speaker 9: ABC Family, and it kind of wasn't like, Okay, so

700
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Speaker 9: you'll graduate from Disney and then we have a plan

701
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Speaker 9: for you to kind of stay in our system.

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Speaker 4: There was no plan. It was just like Okay. You know,

703
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Speaker 4: there's no plan.

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Speaker 9: There's no there's no package, there's no exit party, there's

705
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Speaker 9: no milestone.

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Speaker 4: It was just it was just, well, so what are

707
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Speaker 4: you doing next? You know, it's just like kind of confusing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that transition, but from like child performer to

709
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Speaker 2: adult performer who's kind of lost at sea? Do you

710
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Speaker 2: think I mean, you've obviously talked to a lot of

711
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Speaker 2: people both on your podcast and in your life, like,

712
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Speaker 2: do you think that that can be where some people

713
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: start to go off the rails a little bit in

714
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Speaker 2: terms of their mental health who were very famous when

715
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Speaker 2: they were young.

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Speaker 4: So I'm so honestly, I'm really impressed with your questions.

717
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Speaker 9: I love I love this because I'm I'm hosting Vulnerable

718
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 9: and it's.

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Speaker 4: Like, I.

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Speaker 10: I can't think of these kinds of questions when I'm

721
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Speaker 10: asking people this, So thank you.

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Speaker 4: It's not like it's not like it's it's like I said.

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Speaker 9: You're a compliant child, and you're sort of like you said,

724
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Speaker 9: your identities are split and then split and split into

725
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Speaker 9: whatever mode.

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Speaker 4: You just happen to be cast in.

727
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Speaker 9: And like I said, in some ways, I'm really lucky

728
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Speaker 9: that I was given empowered characters with their own sort

729
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Speaker 9: of agency and wholesomeness and all that stuff. But some people,

730
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Speaker 9: most people are not that lucky, and they kind of

731
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Speaker 9: struggle with that. And so I think that paired with

732
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Speaker 9: them not really getting any skills outside of what they're

733
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Speaker 9: you know, meant to do really kind of you know,

734
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Speaker 9: hones in on what they're able to do for themselves,

735
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Speaker 9: and they feel very desperate very quickly as they're you know,

736
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Speaker 9: in their early twenties and in LA in your early twenties,

737
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 9: especially in the early two thousands, you only had so

738
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Speaker 9: many things you could do.

739
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Speaker 4: So like I've I've talked about.

740
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Speaker 9: Maxim and how I was like desperate to get a

741
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Speaker 9: maximum cover and I never got a maximum cover.

742
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 4: I was like, what kind of pictures do I need

743
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 4: to take?

744
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: Like?

745
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 9: What can I do to be sexier? It's like nobody

746
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 9: wanted to see my boobs. It was just really weird.

747
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Speaker 2: I don't love you have seen your boob?

748
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 4: I was like, who wants to see my hoops? Please?

749
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Speaker 1: You know? Wow?

750
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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like if you can't if you can't sexualize

751
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: yourself in time immediately, there's no way to like have

752
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Speaker 2: that career transition.

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Speaker 9: It seems like yeah, yeah, And I think in people's minds,

754
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Speaker 9: I was the big sister who was wholesome and smart,

755
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 9: like I was too smart to do maxim right, Like

756
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Speaker 9: why would.

757
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Speaker 8: She be on a normal people life?

758
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Speaker 1: I guess like you're excited to turn twenty one, right

759
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Speaker 1: because we get to drink. If you're a Disney star,

760
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Speaker 1: what age do you start being like, Oh my god,

761
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Speaker 1: I don't want to be another year older?

762
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Speaker 8: Is that like ten? Are you like, holy shit, I'm

763
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Speaker 8: turning eleven. Oh god, I'm turning twelve.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's weird.

765
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Speaker 9: I've mentioned Jeanette mccurty's book a lot lately because I

766
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 9: just did an episode book reviewing it, and it's a

767
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 9: really great book and she talks about it when she

768
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 9: first gets her period and her body starts going through

769
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 9: changes and that kind of activates her eating disorder. For me,

770
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Speaker 9: you know, at eighteen, it was like, oh wow, I

771
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 9: can work twelve hours. And you know a lot of

772
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 9: people were getting emancipated because their agents would be like, hey,

773
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 9: this is a way for you to like cheat the.

774
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Speaker 4: System and get more work. But the goal of it

775
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 4: was never to there.

776
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 9: Was no there's no mental health infrastructure there never has been,

777
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 9: and there still is not. And so the goal is

778
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Speaker 9: how much can you work and how much ambition do

779
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Speaker 9: you have?

780
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 4: Just how much of.

781
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Speaker 9: You are you willing to put aside so that you

782
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Speaker 9: can jump, you know past whoever maybe the better.

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00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 4: Look, the you know, or the or the more talented.

784
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 4: It's just it's a rat race.

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Speaker 9: So eighteen, I think, I think eighteen would be the dam.

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Speaker 2: was thirteen because I was like, oh no, I'm gonna

812
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Speaker 2: not I'm not gonna get to be a teen star

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Speaker 2: if I don't nail this in the next couple of years.

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Speaker 2: And then I swore that if I didn't make it

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Speaker 2: by like twenty one, I would I was a failure

816
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,680
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Speaker 2: and now I'm thirty five, so I just I wasn't

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Speaker 1: I'm just like when my friend's older sister was twenty five,

820
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Speaker 1: we did mushrooms and I remember she just started sobbing

821
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Speaker 1: and she was like.

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Speaker 2: I'm never going to be a teen model.

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Speaker 4: We were like, yo, I don't even want to take mushrooms.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the hell would come out of me. Guys,

825
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 4: I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Agree, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I thirteen.

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Speaker 8: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, because my conception of what was cool at

829
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: that time was to be the youngest, because if you

830
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: were the youngest and you were the best, it meant

831
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Speaker 2: that you were, like, you know, the most prodige achiever.

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00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. I wrote an article about this, like a

833
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: fucking decade ago, about how like, even in your early twenties,

834
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Speaker 2: in the music industry and in the film industry at

835
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Speaker 2: least then at the time as well, people would be like,

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Speaker 2: you're how old?

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Speaker 5: That's gross?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you know, I remember an agent told

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Speaker 2: me like, oh, but twenty seven is when your face

840
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: starts to go, so.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, like that's you know.

842
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Speaker 9: I remember I turned twenty seven and I was single

843
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 9: in Hollywood and there was this big guy, this big,

844
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Speaker 9: burly guy that's like the mayor of Hollywood. I won't

845
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Speaker 9: say his name, but he like always dates models.

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Speaker 4: Even to this day. He's like in his sixties.

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Speaker 9: And fun and yeah, and he just always And I

848
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Speaker 9: remember I was turning twenty seven and I was going

849
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Speaker 9: out a lot, right, so I knew a lot of

850
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Speaker 9: these people, and he was just like, oh, man, you

851
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Speaker 9: turned twenty I think it was twenty six, twenty six one.

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Speaker 4: Where you we're gonna have to throw you back in

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Speaker 4: the water. Oh.

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Speaker 9: And I was just like, I was like, Yo, he's

855
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Speaker 9: not kidding, He's not kidding. Wow.

856
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Speaker 2: So you've opened up about your struggles with alcoholism and

857
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Speaker 2: self harm, and how do you feel like your childhood

858
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Speaker 2: and your experiences in the entertainment industry impacted those things

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00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: for you in your life.

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Speaker 4: Or shaped Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I think that I had some really like loud negative

862
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 9: talk happening in my head, and I don't think I

863
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 9: had a lot of positive reinforcement.

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Speaker 4: That I respected.

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Speaker 9: I think my mom tried to reach me, but I

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Speaker 9: think at a certain point she kind of lost her

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Speaker 9: influence to the industry, being sort of the master of

868
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Speaker 9: my psychosis. And so I think that ultimately I had

869
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Speaker 9: to sit back and say, who am I serving here?

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Speaker 9: And it You know, as much as I wanted my

871
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Speaker 9: mom's approval for as many years, I realized that I

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Speaker 9: had money and I had fame and had I had

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Speaker 9: to figure out how to make it on my own.

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Speaker 4: And eventually, you know, she and I stopped talking.

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Speaker 9: I stopped talking to my family for a whole year,

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Speaker 9: which was really sad because it was mostly for a guy.

877
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Speaker 9: But ultimately I didn't find healthy ways of communicating my independence.

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Speaker 4: Let's just put it that way. So that's that's And

879
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 4: when we.

880
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Speaker 9: Start to track why kids go child, actors go crazy,

881
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Speaker 9: blah blah blah, it's there.

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Speaker 4: Are stages of it.

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Speaker 9: And a girl that I absolutely adore named Alison Stoner,

884
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 9: who's an actress that's been pairing up with me at

885
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 9: times to chat with about some of these things about

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Speaker 9: the infrastructure concept.

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Speaker 4: She's called it the toddler to.

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Speaker 9: Train Wreck Pipeline and and it's she.

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Speaker 4: Has a whole Alison has a whole YouTube video about it.

890
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 4: It's really lovely. So I just want to give her

891
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 4: a credit.

892
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 9: And she's trying to do other work besides advocating, you know,

893
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 9: because advocacy is great, but it doesn't.

894
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 4: Pay the bills. Yeah yeah, So it's like you can.

895
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 10: And it's weird because I talk about it and another

896
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 10: people want to talk about I'm like, but I'm not

897
00:42:58,719 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 10: going to not talk about it.

898
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was your mom and dad? Were they like

899
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: stage parents, your typical stage parents?

900
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 4: I guess.

901
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 9: I mean, I think there's okay, So there's not a

902
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 9: as typical of a stage parent as people want to think,

903
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 9: especially now with the kind of stage parents that are

904
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 9: in the business and know that they can give their

905
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 9: child a digital a digital influence and then manage that

906
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 9: for them. So it kind of takes the intermediary of

907
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 9: you know, an CIA or something kind of out of

908
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 9: it if they really needed it, you know. So in

909
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 9: some ways, stage parents have more rights to their child's

910
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 9: social media accounts and money than before. But ultimately, I

911
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 9: do think that there is a profile. There's a psychological

912
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 9: profile for a stage parent. I think it's the type

913
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 9: of person who is ambitious themselves. Or there's also and

914
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 9: this goes for not folks that you know that the

915
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 9: kids are obviously in us and it's like mom, step aside,

916
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 9: I'm going to do this with or without you kind

917
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 9: of thing, right, it goes for I believe the majority

918
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 9: of these kids are very talented and they have a

919
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 9: love of the arts, and I think they have every

920
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 9: right to take up space if it was a safe

921
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 9: space with an infrastructure and a mental health component that

922
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 9: supported them, just like SAG has all sorts of things,

923
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 9: it's not really well well enough developed for that as employees.

924
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 2: So stage parents are ambitious people who maybe are trying

925
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: to fill a need within themselves a little bit we think.

926
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 9: I'm not a psychologist, and I really want to delve

927
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 9: deeper into this. I can say though, that I do

928
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 9: believe that there is an intrinsic psychological profile to a

929
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 9: stage parent. I'm just not sure exactly what it is.

930
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 9: I can't speak to it until I do enough research

931
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 9: on this.

932
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is not this is you know

933
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like this is not scientific but just

934
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: like based on experience, Yeah for sure.

935
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 9: And I mean there's different versions, Like you know, you

936
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 9: have the the taj Maori and his sisters are amazing,

937
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 9: like there their parents are you know, faith based people,

938
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 9: and they love each other very much, and like they

939
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 9: are probably the most successful stage family I've ever seen.

940
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 9: And Jonathan Lipniki, whose parents were both CPAs or something like,

941
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 9: you know, he was able to manage his money efficiently

942
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 9: and after he wasn't cute anymore, he says quote unquote

943
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 9: he was able to kind of find a career in

944
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 9: jiu jitsu and or karate. I don't know, it's he's

945
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 9: fantastic though. He's like a super triple black belt.

946
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 4: And wow, he's so cool.

947
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 9: I've had him, I've talked to him a lot. So

948
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 9: it's actually very cathartic for me to be using my

949
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 9: platform to connect with other folks. The reason being, not

950
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 9: only is it case studies because I'm not trained, it's

951
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 9: you know, they're living documents to.

952
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 4: Talk to people.

953
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 9: But these are like had said, remember when you said

954
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 9: you said, I see Leanne Rhymes and I absolutely hated her.

955
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 9: It's like I felt that way about Mandy Moore, and

956
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 9: I felt that way about yeah, Anne Hathaway. And it's

957
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 9: like it took it took me years to understand that, Like, yo,

958
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 9: everyone's got their journeys, and everyone's had divorces and all

959
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 9: these horrible things happen to them, miscarriages, like whatever. So

960
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 9: we really all are the same human spirit. And then

961
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 9: it's like what we are interacted with is what makes

962
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 9: us these different you know, personalities and people.

963
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 4: I really truly am starting to see that. It's like

964
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: we all start off perfect.

965
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 9: And beautiful and sweet, and then either nature versus inerture

966
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 9: kind of comes in and it's like we we have

967
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 9: to put our defenses up in different ways.

968
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: So were you specifically petted against Mandy Moore or who

969
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: was the other person that you said?

970
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 8: I mean, I imagine and Hathaway thank you.

971
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: I mean I imagine that there are certain roles that

972
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: you both want and like and that kind of probably

973
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: goes underground where you guys don't even really talk about

974
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: it or acknowledge like you got that part.

975
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 10: You know, probably right Ian, I would it probably would

976
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 10: have been said if like I'd ever been able to

977
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 10: actually see them again.

978
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 9: This is what I love about getting people on my

979
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 9: podcast because it is cathartic because we were literally like,

980
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 9: that's your competition. It doesn't even matter if it's a

981
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 9: boy or a girl. It's like there's just always something

982
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 9: lurking when you're a young performer, that's like is that

983
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 9: person better than me? Or is that person it's just

984
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 9: not normal, you know, like kids need community, and so

985
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 9: I do think it's really wonderful. I will say SAG

986
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 9: has something called a Looking Ahead program that I'm I

987
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 9: guess I'm an advisory on the advisory committee, which I'm

988
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 9: very proud of, and it's like they do a lot

989
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 9: of you know, field trips and things that are trying

990
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 9: to bring the kids together. And they also have social

991
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 9: workers on staff that are trying to teach the parents

992
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 9: about Cougan law and money and all that stuff. Right,

993
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 9: So there's some grassroots stuff, but like what we're looking

994
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 9: at for actual change would be along road, I.

995
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,479
Speaker 2: Think, And what do you think the areas that most

996
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: need change are, Like what are some of the weaknesses

997
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: right now structurally for children? In terms of protecting children.

998
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 9: I think prevention would be one of the one of

999
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 9: the areas that we would want to probably highlight the most.

1000
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 9: So like I think that we've seen people like Aaron

1001
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 9: Carter go down a very bad road.

1002
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 4: We've known other.

1003
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 9: Folks to take their lives, and I've seen them come

1004
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 9: and go, and it's so like it makes me very

1005
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 9: heartsick because when it happens, it feels like a sister

1006
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 9: or a brother has been lost.

1007
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 4: And maybe that's just because.

1008
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 9: I talk about it and it matters to me, But

1009
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 9: I have kids, and so I think it's all kind

1010
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 9: of come full circle for me to feel this like

1011
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 9: very like maternal like energy towards this community at large,

1012
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 9: and so it is coming from a very genuine place.

1013
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean.

1014
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 9: Prevention would be the key, right to like if you

1015
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 9: if you use that term of like toddler to train

1016
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 9: wreck pipeline. The train wreck is that inevitability.

1017
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,959
Speaker 4: But what if you fixed.

1018
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 9: It from the start and along the way figured out

1019
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 9: a way to have checks and balances for these kids

1020
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 9: to not feel unsupported?

1021
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: And what would that look like?

1022
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 9: We're union paying people, you know, like even though you're

1023
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 9: a minor, you still pay union dues. You are protected

1024
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 9: by your union, you know. Right now we've got these

1025
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 9: writer strikes. I think SAG is about to do some

1026
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 9: sort of strikes. And kids have always been affected by

1027
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 9: what the grownups are doing.

1028
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 4: But and again they're not little grownups. They're not short grownups, right,

1029
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: they're kids, right, And so that's why.

1030
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 9: It's like there's this very fine line of can they

1031
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 9: truly benefit from being in the union, will the union.

1032
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 4: Come to their aid?

1033
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 9: Because you won't see five year olds and eight year

1034
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 9: olds and ten year olds picketing, you know, outside of

1035
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 9: the whatever paramount or stuff like that.

1036
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 4: They are literally voiceless and it is.

1037
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 9: It would it would need their it would need their

1038
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 9: stage parents to like truly say, Okay, I want to

1039
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 9: fight for my kid to have a career in the arts,

1040
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 9: which means that I'm going to fight for their representation.

1041
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: But those people want to be cool with the agents.

1042
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 8: They want to be the easy.

1043
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: Parents, right, So then they're they don't want to they

1044
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: don't want to be the ones that are like cousins

1045
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: some right, stirring up ship. So it's like all the

1046
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: parents have to also come together to to do this,

1047
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:24,959
Speaker 1: which is hard.

1048
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 9: I think it also comes down to the creators, the

1049
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 9: people that are hiring, you know, the the that are

1050
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 9: setting the tone.

1051
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 4: You hear about some people's creators.

1052
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 9: You know that were on kids shows that did some

1053
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 9: crazy things and made them feel very unsafe and exploited,

1054
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 9: and like I just I get so angry about it

1055
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 9: when I get new information or whatnot sent to me

1056
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 9: or told to me or just it literally just makes

1057
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 9: me sick to my stomach when I hear certain things,

1058
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 9: and so I just kind of, uh, I kind of

1059
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 9: just get so angry. But at the same time, like

1060
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 9: I I think that, like I said, it's a long road,

1061
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 9: and I wish that I could be full time in it. Uh,

1062
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 9: it feels like a lot of what I talk about,

1063
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 9: But I think that's because people are ready to acknowledge

1064
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 9: that there's a problem. And I think there's going to

1065
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 9: come a time where me launching a Harvard backed research,

1066
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 9: you know, for like how many thousands of kids have

1067
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 9: written in that are now alumni that are saying, yes,

1068
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 9: I'm going to check this box for having had suicidal

1069
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 9: thoughts or I'm gonna check it for a feeling like

1070
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 9: I was exploited, Like I can't.

1071
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 4: Do we really need to do that?

1072
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 9: Or can we just all acknowledge that this needs to

1073
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 9: be addressed, right, Like I'll stop talking about it when

1074
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 9: it's when we have a clear path forward and enough

1075
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 9: people to you know, acknowledge that this is actually happening

1076
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 9: and not just making a meme about it, right, Like, Oh.

1077
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 4: Those child actors are really crazy.

1078
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: It's like silly practically speaking. I mean, do you think

1079
00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: that would involve like just more mental health support these

1080
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: children as they're going through the industry, Like would every

1081
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: production have Like I mean, I know there are there

1082
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: is supposed to be someone on set looking out for

1083
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: the child actor, right is that not like.

1084
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 8: She's laughing very hot.

1085
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 2: For those of you who cannot see, that's not a

1086
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 2: very well regulated area of things, right.

1087
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 9: You think you'd want, like, you know, an adult to

1088
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 9: like take care of the kid, you know, like that

1089
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 9: might help.

1090
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 4: That's it's so crazy to me.

1091
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 10: But yes, of course there there are studio teachers, but

1092
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 10: a lot of studio teachers don't, especially in offshoots of

1093
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 10: Los Angeles, so like Louisiana and other runoff production places.

1094
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 9: This is why it becomes federal, because it's not just Hollywood,

1095
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 9: Like there's literally no child labor laws in like a

1096
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 9: bunch of different states, and so there's there's some real

1097
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 9: problems that would need to take effect.

1098
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 4: In a big way.

1099
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 9: And of course then you get new media involved with it,

1100
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 9: and then how how are you going to regulate? You know,

1101
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 9: the family voggers, right, you know that because their set

1102
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 9: is their home, their set is their room.

1103
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 4: Guys kind of scare me.

1104
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: They're starting to be like sixteen year olds who are

1105
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: emancipating themselves from their family vlogging. I sent you an

1106
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: article about that the other day where they're like, I

1107
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: did not want to do it, this was not my

1108
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, oh my god, in ten years

1109
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: this space is going to be filled with stories and

1110
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: it's it's just so crazy. But I think also just societally,

1111
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: we all need to stop wanting to see people rise

1112
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: and fall. Honestly, that's you know, half the problem.

1113
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: Like you mean, like publicize it if someone is having

1114
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 2: a breakdown.

1115
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like make somebody, make it interesting and make

1116
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: it so they're so perfect, and then you know it's yeah,

1117
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: and then.

1118
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we really love to idolize people and put them

1119
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: on a pedestal. And then once they're as soon as

1120
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: they're on the pedestal, where like can't bang the fuck

1121
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 2: something up, you know.

1122
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1123
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's like when you're purchasing something, right, you're purchasing

1124
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 9: and gen Z is doing this a lot. They're understanding

1125
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 9: the marketplace behind their dollars and so they're choosing to

1126
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 9: buy sustainable stuff. And so now as a viewer, when

1127
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 9: I see kids represented in certain violent or graphic situations,

1128
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 9: I didn't used to do this, by the way, it's

1129
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 9: only since I started advocating that I was like triggered

1130
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 9: or like I WinCE when I see it because I'm like, ooh,

1131
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 9: I know that that must have been really hard for

1132
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 9: that child. And I'm bearing witness. It's kind of like

1133
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 9: when you hear about children who had you know, tapes made,

1134
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 9: graphic tapes made, and then when they have to be

1135
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 9: told that their tapes were recirculated or found somewhere else,

1136
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 9: it's like they have to you know, these victims, the

1137
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 9: survivors have to feel like it's they're going through that

1138
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 9: trauma all over again whenever they know that their tapes

1139
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 9: have been found and you know, found on a new

1140
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 9: website or something like that, and they're notified.

1141
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 4: And it does feel like that to me.

1142
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 9: And that if you knew that a kid was being

1143
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 9: molested by somebody on that set. And every time that

1144
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 9: that movie comes on, because they happen to be at

1145
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 9: a bar, they happen to be at a something, and

1146
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 9: it's like they see that scene and they know.

1147
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 4: It's just like there's no accountability. Like what you were saying.

1148
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 9: Before, there's not a lot of accountability.

1149
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 2: I'm a filmmaker, I am predominantly in the horror community.

1150
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 2: My cool script my first script that I've written. Working

1151
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 2: on new ones obviously, but my first script is it's

1152
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: Star as a child. You know, first of all, just

1153
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: to shout out to the horror community. Obviously every community

1154
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 2: has its problems, but a lot of these sets are

1155
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: very like light and fun and you would never know

1156
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,439
Speaker 2: that it's a horror set just being on the set.

1157
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: It's not actually very scary being on the set unless

1158
00:55:58,719 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: you have some bad people running the set.

1159
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 9: But good point, because I've been on those and those

1160
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 9: are not great.

1161
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 2: But so for someone like me or many of my

1162
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 2: friends who listened to this podcast, like, if you are

1163
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: doing a project that star as a child, like, what

1164
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 2: steps can you take as someone who is in charge

1165
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 2: of this production to make sure that your young actors protected?

1166
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 4: So obviously I think rehearsals would be super helpful. At

1167
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 4: the very least.

1168
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 9: Sometimes when you have lower budget movies, they don't make

1169
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 9: time or their novice directors and producers so they don't

1170
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 9: think about this. Actually had a parent call me, you know,

1171
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 9: months after because her six year old wouldn't like, you know,

1172
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 9: she wouldn't sleep with the lights off, and she wouldn't

1173
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 9: leave her mom, and she wouldn't take a shower because

1174
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 9: this horrible actor you know, basically went method and kidnapped her,

1175
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 9: like for real, and like wouldn't let them leave like

1176
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 9: the set and stuff like that. So basically and yeah,

1177
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 9: it was really it was really awful. And it was

1178
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 9: a runaway production or on location production essentially, and so

1179
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 9: it was just like there was no accountability there.

1180
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 4: So think in lines of like if this was.

1181
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 9: Your kid, or if this was your cousin or your

1182
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 9: nephew or somebody that you really cared about, like what,

1183
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 9: just you really have to have a responsibility to the

1184
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 9: life of that miner on the set and do better,

1185
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 9: really truly.

1186
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:17,959
Speaker 4: Just try to do better.

1187
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 9: And even if you just try, that child will feel

1188
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 9: the difference on your set. That will be all you

1189
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 9: can do is just try. That's like the same thing

1190
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 9: they say with parenting. It's like just show up for

1191
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 9: your kid, Like you don't have to be perfect. You

1192
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 9: can make some mistakes here and there, but show up

1193
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 9: and care. And I think that's all that we can

1194
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 9: do as a production community right now. And then, of course,

1195
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 9: I mean, like if something is truly troubling them, there's

1196
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 9: intimacy coordinators.

1197
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 4: I've been sort.

1198
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 9: Of compiling a coalition of people who are like minded

1199
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 9: with me, and I'm loving that because I'm sort of

1200
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 9: building that over time, and two of the ladies that

1201
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 9: are a part of it are intimacy coordinators, ones in

1202
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 9: Atlanta and ones in the Midwest, and they are trauma

1203
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 9: and formed intimacy coordinators. So in the wake of not

1204
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 9: having a child appointed trauma informed therapist on set, I

1205
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 9: think intimacy coordinators are are springing up everywhere, and I

1206
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 9: think we could probably lean on those kinds of people

1207
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 9: for advice.

1208
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 2: I really love that. I love if there's going to

1209
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: be any kind of emotionally charged scene with a child actor, like,

1210
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: there should be someone responsible for the care of how they.

1211
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: Explaining it to them, processing it with them, like there's

1212
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: just their kids, yeah and right.

1213
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 9: And I think a lot of times they'd punt that

1214
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 9: to the studio teacher who's really just trying to figure

1215
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 9: out the hours for the you know, the whatever kind

1216
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 9: of education they're having, and then and they're really just

1217
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 9: a chaperone, I think. But then, yeah, I mean, in

1218
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 9: a drama teacher who's on set is really just trying

1219
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 9: to evoke the you know, emotions from the child like

1220
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 9: a typical acting coach would. I don't think that their

1221
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 9: trauma informed. Most of the times, informed care looks very

1222
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 9: specific and I think that's just that's just what they

1223
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 9: need to put in the budgets. Like, I don't see.

1224
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 9: Here's the other thing is I don't know why anyone

1225
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 9: would stand in the.

1226
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 4: Way of that, now, Yeah, why would you? Yeah, it's

1227
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 4: like my it's very suspect to why would you not want.

1228
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: It to because it costs money and and the bottom

1229
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: line is always the thing that takes precedence, as we

1230
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: have seen many many times, but not anymore, But not

1231
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 2: anymore because the strikes are on.

1232
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, Alexa Nicholas, who is from Match the Source and Eat.

1233
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 4: Predators, she's been she's.

1234
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 9: Literally pregnant, like super pregnant now with her second child.

1235
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 4: And she was on my podcast and she was on

1236
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 4: Zoe one oh one.

1237
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 9: And she's a huge, huge protesting, you know, activist in

1238
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 9: terms of the industry and predators and all that stuff

1239
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 9: and in music industry. So you guys might want to

1240
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 9: try to hook up with her, but she's really just

1241
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 9: such a like right angry light.

1242
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 4: I love it. It's like great for her. I can't

1243
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 4: do what she.

1244
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 8: Does, no, Yeah, I love that.

1245
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 2: Also, I love mentioning the music industry because for all

1246
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: the lack of protections that there are in the film industry.

1247
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 2: The music industry is so much worse. There's no sag,

1248
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: there's no like organized like sure you got like some

1249
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 2: performing rights organization. You might get lucky and have a

1250
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: label that cares, but like in my experience, there's a

1251
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: lot less organization and coalition and community around protecting everyone,

1252
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 2: not even just children. Everyone.

1253
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 4: Yes, and she and please check her out. Please please

1254
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 4: check her out. She's really great for that reason, for

1255
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 4: what you're talking about.

1256
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So to just kind of get culty for a second,

1257
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 2: you almost joined to cult yourself. Can you tell us

1258
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: about that?

1259
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 9: So, basically I was looking for community after you know,

1260
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 9: I hadn't talked to my family for a while, and

1261
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 9: then I started talking to them again after the breakup,

1262
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 9: and then I wanted to get into a really good

1263
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 9: acting class. And so I did find a good acting class,

1264
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 9: and it was a wonderful play for people that weren't

1265
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 9: in the mindset that I was in.

1266
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 4: And so they kind of tear you apart.

1267
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 9: They want to like break you down and build.

1268
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 4: You back up. And I think that's really it's really scary. Really,

1269
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that's Yeah, it's really scary.

1270
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 9: So basically, you know, there's a lot of like teachers

1271
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 9: sleeping with students and then compiled with the idea that like,

1272
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 9: you know, they'll give scholarships out to students you know

1273
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 9: that might be sleeping with or you know, getting hit

1274
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 9: on by the teachers.

1275
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 4: And so that's kind of like that's complicated.

1276
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 9: And then also I'm trying to think there's a lot

1277
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 9: of drinking. But you know, this particular acting class did

1278
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 9: have very very deep ties into scientology. And what I

1279
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 9: will say is that the positives of scientology came through

1280
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 9: it because they wanted to talk about you know, like

1281
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 9: administration where you would talk about, you know, things that

1282
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 9: you needed to do last week, and then you would

1283
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 9: meet in these small groups and then you would talk

1284
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 9: about things needed to carry over and do. So like

1285
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 9: that's the allure of scientology, I think, is when people

1286
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 9: are you know, addicts and stuff and they come to

1287
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 9: the steps of scientology and they're like, well, help you

1288
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 9: get your.

1289
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 4: Life back in order. That's it.

1290
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 9: It's like they ask, you know, what's the definition of

1291
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 9: this word? And like they write and they read and

1292
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 9: they read and they did that in this So there

1293
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 9: was a lot of scientology specific principles that were upheld

1294
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 9: in the order of this, and so because I also

1295
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 9: felt like a little lost and I didn't know what

1296
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 9: the order of things were for me, I felt good.

1297
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 9: I felt like this sort of false sense of family.

1298
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 9: I was in that class for a long time, and

1299
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 9: I definitely don't think it brought out the best to

1300
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 9: me for any particular.

1301
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, it was. It just wasn't. Yeah, it was. It

1302
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 4: was sort of putting what do they say, it's the

1303
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 4: band aid over bullet holes kind of approach.

1304
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: But it gives you like a blueprint for how to

1305
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: live and so what you.

1306
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: Know what, No, I that's a really interesting description of

1307
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: that experience though, because I feel like, yeah, so much

1308
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: of what makes us vulnerable. We learned recently the term

1309
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 2: cognitive opening. One cognitive opening can be like just I

1310
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 2: don't know what I'm doing, I don't know who I am,

1311
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 2: I don't know where I am. And structure just like

1312
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 2: literally structuring this is how you do it. Just needing

1313
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: some kind of organization to help you feel like you

1314
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: can manage the amorphousness in your brain like that is

1315
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 2: absolutely a way to draw people into cults.

1316
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think, And also remember that's The through line

1317
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 9: of what I had been saying from a very young

1318
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 9: age was that structure and how you can you can

1319
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 9: go too far into that in various different ways. But

1320
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 9: I think what ties it back is to accountability. It's like,

1321
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 9: if you're accountable to yourself, you're going to give yourself

1322
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 9: the structure you need. And so I think that's what

1323
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 9: I'm focused on with maintaining my sobriety and trying to

1324
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 9: be a really good parent to my daughters and living.

1325
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 4: As if.

1326
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 9: I would I would have hoped that I could have

1327
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 9: had a parent, right, So it's like breaking those cycles

1328
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 9: and whatnot. And I'm not perfect and I'm learning every day.

1329
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 9: But I think, I think, if, if, if I can

1330
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 9: have a community of folks that are interested in what

1331
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 9: I have to say and it's a positive, positive community,

1332
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 9: which I generally do. I feel like you can been

1333
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 9: so supportive and like TikTok is generally like my comments

1334
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 9: are generally pretty supportive.

1335
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 4: I don't get like, yeah.

1336
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 9: I don't generally get death threats or people trying to

1337
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,919
Speaker 9: call me like, you know, rude names. It's funny because

1338
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 9: like if something does go viral and I see the

1339
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 9: negative comments, I'm like, oh, it's just because of the numbers.

1340
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 4: Like, once you get certain.

1341
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 9: Numbers, you just get these ass hats that are like,

1342
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 9: you know, they got to say something, and it's like

1343
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 9: hurt people, hurt people, bro, Like.

1344
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 2: That's a healthy perspective. I'm like so scared of Yeah.

1345
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: I was just all like Nickelodeons and like disguise me,

1346
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: like you're wrong, don't say that they're just wearing like

1347
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: a fake.

1348
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Yeah, I feel for them. I feel

1349
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 4: for them. I'm not there. I'm not the I'm not

1350
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 4: the one they have to be worried about.

1351
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 8: It's very scary. Wow, what a life. I mean.

1352
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 9: I did try Scientology for like a hot second, and.

1353
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 4: They were Look, they were very welcoming, you know.

1354
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 9: I went to the Celebrity Center, which is in the

1355
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 9: middle of Yeah, they were very nice.

1356
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 4: I had a very good experience with them.

1357
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 9: Like listen, it wasn't for me, but then again, nothing

1358
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 9: was for me, Okay, Like I tried everything. I tried

1359
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 9: Buddhism and like I was everything guys, alcohol and you know,

1360
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 9: the six drugs and rock and Roll of it. It's

1361
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 9: like you just when you're lost, you try everything and

1362
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 9: like I can't say that I had a negative experience

1363
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 9: with them because they didn't I didn't last that long

1364
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 9: with them, right, What was like.

1365
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 8: Red flag with them? Or were you just like I'm bored.

1366
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 4: Yeah I was bored.

1367
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 8: Yeah I was bored.

1368
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I was bored.

1369
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you, thank you for.

1370
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: A lot of things.

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01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1372
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 2: Wow, I think that's I think that's a totally valid experience.

1373
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 2: Like again, we say it out one hundred thousand times,

1374
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 2: but not everyone has the same experience in these groups,

1375
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 2: and some people it's totally harmless, and then other people,

1376
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 2: you know, their lives are totally destroyed. There's really spectrum.

1377
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, yes, it's like with honestly, because like with everything,

1378
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,479
Speaker 9: it's like there's probably child actors or stage parents listening

1379
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 9: to me, and they're like, she's full of shit. Like

1380
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 9: we're doing great and everything is awesome.

1381
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 10: You know.

1382
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 8: I'm sure.

1383
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure some people are having a great time with it,

1384
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, and and.

1385
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 8: Some people that were raised in the cult that I

1386
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 8: was raised in couldn't be happier.

1387
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: But the people who aren't having a great time need

1388
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: to feel supported.

1389
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 8: So that's why we do what we do exactly.

1390
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 2: Yes, do you do you think Hollywood is makes people

1391
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 2: more vulnerable to cults.

1392
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 8: Oh, it's so muppetty.

1393
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 2: I don't know why I have to.

1394
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:59,439
Speaker 9: Like that, you know what, I was thinking it through

1395
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 9: because it's like the way she said it made me

1396
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 9: like really think about it.

1397
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 8: Oh good, Okay, great.

1398
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 9: Do I think Hollywood makes people more vulnerable to cults?

1399
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 9: I think it makes them more compliant. And I think

1400
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 9: that people in cults are probably pretty compliant, and so

1401
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 9: I think that any type of predatory force can probably

1402
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 9: get in there. And I don't think that has a

1403
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 9: particular political agenda. I don't think it has. I think

1404
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 9: all it wants is your time and your money and

1405
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 9: your body, and so I just think that whatever that

1406
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 9: looks like, if it's not good for you, then yeah,

1407
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 9: it's a cult and it's bad.

1408
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 2: That's a really good answer.

1409
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 8: I'm obsessed with that.

1410
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 4: Thank you, ladies are so.

1411
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 9: And to answer your question finally, yes, I am a

1412
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 9: vulnerable podcast and it's been a blast to be on

1413
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 9: this show.

1414
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 4: And if you guys come and see me, that's cool.

1415
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 9: I'm on YouTube, I'm on TikTok, Christy Carlson Romano, and.

1416
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 4: I just yeah, I have a whole.

1417
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 9: Podcas company now with my husband where we have like

1418
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 9: five podcasts that we produce.

1419
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 4: Wow, and so we're growing. We're growing our own little

1420
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 4: world and gradually that's not Yeah.

1421
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, make your be your own boss, make your own life.

1422
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 2: Don't be compliant.

1423
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 8: I love it.

1424
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for joining us. It was

1425
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 2: so fun talking to you.

1426
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,839
Speaker 4: Yes, I love you guys, love and I love this podcast,

1427
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 4: so thank you.

1428
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 8: Thank you love me too, Yes, thank you so much.

1429
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: Okay, Megan, having heard Christie's interview, what a lovely interview.

1430
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 2: I have to ask you, of course, did you want

1431
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 2: to be a child actor?

1432
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: Yes?

1433
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,919
Speaker 6: More than anything, I wanted to be Shirley Temple. I actually,

1434
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 6: I don't know when I'm going to release this video,

1435
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 6: but I actually just made an one minute video about

1436
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 6: how bad I wanted to be Shirley Temple and a

1437
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 6: whole ass song.

1438
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, because.

1439
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 6: I'm a little Shirley Temple click click Temple Dimple.

1440
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 5: And then she goes candy. It's weird, it's cool, but

1441
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 5: I wanted to be her more.

1442
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 6: Than anything, ever, ever, ever, ever. I think it was

1443
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 6: Tina Fay who said in her biography that she would

1444
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 6: like openly weep when they went to plays and there

1445
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 6: would be a child actor on stage because she'd be

1446
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 6: so jealous.

1447
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,440
Speaker 3: Which is just relatable.

1448
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 6: Like I hated watching those little bitches prants around the

1449
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 6: stage when I had to sit in my seat, and

1450
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 6: I knew.

1451
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 5: I would have killed it. But I wasn't allowed to

1452
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 5: do anything like that.

1453
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 6: I wasn't allowed to act, I wasn't allowed to dance,

1454
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:38,759
Speaker 6: even though I would have been Oscar nominated, Tony nominated.

1455
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 2: I can only imagine, yeah.

1456
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 6: I mean, can you imagine the top dancing that's inside

1457
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 6: of me?

1458
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would have loved to.

1459
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 6: And I will say reading these books and talking to

1460
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 6: Christy does give me a different perspective.

1461
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 5: And it's a lot of fucking work.

1462
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 6: And I was a pretty lazy kid, so probably you

1463
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 6: know I would I have wanted the actual I don't know.

1464
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 6: Maybe I would have I don't know, but yeah, I

1465
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 6: wanted to be I wanted to be bad.

1466
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 2: You are reminding me that I also was jealous of

1467
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: Shirley Temple. And I think the opening was that someone

1468
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 2: once gave me a Shirley Temple to drink and I

1469
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 2: was like yummy, and someone was like, that's a child actor.

1470
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 11: Wait, somebody gave you a Shirley to drink and you

1471
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 11: were like yummy, and they were like, yeah, she was

1472
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 11: actually a kid.

1473
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 6: Actor and you were and like your face just all

1474
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 6: of a sudden crumpled into the extreme anger.

1475
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 2: Well then I watched I can't remember what I watched it.

1476
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 5: Let's get real.

1477
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 2: It wasn't Heighty, it was the other one.

1478
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:51,879
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't remember.

1479
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, but watching her because she also sang right,

1480
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 2: and so I was like, oh my god, like I

1481
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 2: have to be generation Shirley Temple and then both so

1482
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 2: we share this. You know what I have I ever

1483
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 2: told you about the time that I auditioned for a

1484
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 2: play in elementary school. No, it was Alice in Wonderland.

1485
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 2: And I auditioned for Alice and I was so fucking cocky.

1486
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna be Alice. I'm gonna be

1487
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 2: the star of this play. And then my audition was terrible,

1488
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 2: because a child is horrible.

1489
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 3: You were John, They.

1490
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 5: The brother with glasses.

1491
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 3: You get casts ser brother.

1492
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 2: But they told me I was going to be one

1493
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 2: of the cards. And I feel like I feel like

1494
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,520
Speaker 2: I remember was in Wonderland.

1495
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 3: Sorry, I was in wendy Land.

1496
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,759
Speaker 6: You were gonna be one of those you were gonna

1497
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 6: be one of the Queen's.

1498
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,839
Speaker 2: Cards, one of the Queen's cards, not even the queen

1499
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 2: one of the cards, and I skipped out. I was

1500
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,719
Speaker 2: supposed to like be in the play and I fully

1501
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 2: played hooky and I was like, I'm not going to

1502
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 2: be in this play if I'm not.

1503
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 5: The star, and well, at least you were acting.

1504
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 2: I don't remember how my parents, I have no recollection

1505
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 2: of whether they ever found out that I just wasn't

1506
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 2: in the play anymore. I have to ask them about that.

1507
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 2: But I was so mad that I couldn't be the

1508
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 2: lead of the play that I absolutely refused to be

1509
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 2: in it.

1510
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 6: It's pretty hard when you're a kid and there's this

1511
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 6: there's like Shirley Temples and everybody running around all I don't.

1512
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, totally, Megan.

1513
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 3: Shirley Temple is so fucking cute.

1514
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 2: She's so cute, her a little dimples.

1515
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 6: But the conversation we had today with Chrissy did, like,

1516
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 6: you know, remind me that even the best case scenario

1517
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 6: is really hard, and we.

1518
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 2: Need to have support systems in place for let's be real, like,

1519
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 2: we're not going to eliminate the practice of acting as

1520
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 2: a child. That's oh I am, I'm going to well,

1521
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm going good luck, have fun.

1522
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, we're not going to eliminate it.

1523
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 6: We need little kids and so like, you know, the

1524
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 6: babies are weird.

1525
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 2: You know, I was. I was in something as a

1526
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 2: baby that was like about HIV. And I don't remember why.

1527
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 2: I think my mom just like her friend, just like

1528
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 2: needed a baby to be in something. So I had

1529
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 2: you used to be able to find it somewhere online

1530
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 2: where it said that my real name is Candace mallknocks,

1531
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 2: where it said candicemell Knock is credited in like an

1532
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 2: HIV thing.

1533
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 5: So anyhow fresh out of the womb were you?

1534
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure I wasn't like a newborn, but I was.

1535
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 2: It was before my memory. But it wasn't like I

1536
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 2: was on set all day. It was like probably two hours,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like it was fine.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, for sure, for sure, it's

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Speaker 5: all cool. You know if you have you know, I

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Speaker 5: just can't really, I'm all cross stop.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it gets one of those things

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Speaker 2: that's complicated and like hard to make generalizations about, and

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Speaker 2: it's really case by case and we really just have

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Speaker 2: to make sure that there are protections in place right.

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Speaker 6: For great kids, you know, yeah, because if we're ever

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Speaker 6: making anything and we need a newborn baby, we need

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Speaker 6: it and.

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Speaker 2: We'll be nice to the newborn baby.

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Speaker 5: Right exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 6: So anyway, that was so amazing to talk to her.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much for spending another week with us.

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Speaker 6: We can't wait to see you again next week, and

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Speaker 6: as always, remember to follow your gut, watch out for

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Speaker 6: red flax, and never ever trust.

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