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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. I'm your host, Rashan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear from you today like I want

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Speaker 1: to hear from you every day, because I recognize that

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Speaker 1: we all have different definitions of success. For you, it

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Speaker 1: may be decides of your paycheck. Mine has inspiring you

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Speaker 1: It's time to start reading other people's success stories and

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Speaker 1: start living your own. People always talk about what you

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Speaker 1: cannot do and what you should do, and don't let

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Speaker 1: your friends, family, or co worker stop you from planning

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Speaker 1: or living your dreams. This show is for you. So

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Speaker 1: welcome to money Making Come Station master Class. My guests

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Speaker 1: on the show is Bobby cart Right Junior, the executive

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Speaker 1: producer of Gospel Superfest Live in Columbus, Ohio, Gospel Superfest, Holiday,

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Speaker 1: Gospel Superfess Easter Jam. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass.

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Speaker 1: Bobby cart Right, Julia, how you doing, Bobby A. Rashan,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Thanks for being platient with my

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Speaker 1: technical simy to get on your today. I will spreading

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Speaker 1: the word of the Lord. I got to be a

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Speaker 1: singing the word of the Lord, a praise of the

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Speaker 1: Word of the Lord. I have to be patient tell

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Speaker 1: us about this upcoming event. But before we go there,

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Speaker 1: I apologize. Talk about the history of those of these

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Speaker 1: superfest events that you've been putting together for years. Well, well,

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight, I got a vision from the

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Speaker 1: dot com. I'm your host with Sean McDonald. I'm speaking

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Speaker 1: to Bobby Cartwright Junior. As he said earlier prior to

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Speaker 1: Thing like that, that frustration is, do I understand you

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Speaker 1: but also who who your wife is as well. Well,

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Speaker 1: she's a definitely woman, a woman of integrat and she's

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Speaker 1: the prayer warrior of the household. That's for sure. Um,

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Speaker 1: people ask me, you know, how did this the holiness

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Speaker 1: woman married this colonel brother? You know, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: m Jimmy. Now you're out there with a midnight star,

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Speaker 1: You're out there with a higher player. I can only

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Speaker 1: imagine the higher player tour. That's I'll just stopped right

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Speaker 1: there because I ain't gonna miss up your ain't gonna

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Speaker 1: miss up your history. I've been I've been born a

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Speaker 1: gatting drug free since eighty seven, but before eighty seven,

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Speaker 1: you know it was, but I love it. Hey, Boba,

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Speaker 1: tell us what I know. You got another event coming

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Speaker 1: up in Jacksonville, Florida. The Gospel Superfest is coming in

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Speaker 1: September and Jacksonville, Florida. But more importantly, tell everybody why

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Speaker 1: they should watch the episode Gospel Superfest Easter Jam that's

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Speaker 1: coming up April ninth on BT