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Speaker 2: Good learning, everybody, Welcome to Breaking Points. Emlinger to see

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Speaker 2: you he show. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: We're both in their gardening. That's what it's about. Though

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Speaker 3: people think sometimes it's another thing. It's not.

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Speaker 4: Oh really, Yeah, we're sure minds out of the gutters.

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Speaker 3: People. I'm just the messenger. Don't take it out on me.

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Speaker 2: Sager is recording an Epstein episode with Andrew Schultz, so

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Speaker 2: that is why I get this to have the lovely

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Speaker 2: Emily here with me on Tuesday, and there's a lot

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Speaker 2: to talk about, including we are starting with a bunch

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Speaker 2: of Epstein revelations. Bannon talking twenty fifth Amendment with Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 2: There's a Bannon I feel like has escaped a little

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Speaker 2: bit of scrutiny in this. But we've also got all

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Speaker 2: kinds of other crazy revelations. Tom Rock who continues to

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Speaker 2: He is all over the Epstein files. He and Trump

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Speaker 2: were buddies with Epstein, you know, at sort of the

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Speaker 2: peak of Epstein's whatever. We've got Trump making some new comments.

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Speaker 2: We've got new revelations that the government may be lying

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Speaker 2: have released. We've also got a bunch of DHS news.

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Speaker 2: They are making it official that they're not going to

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Speaker 2: share any of their evidence from the investigation into Alex

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Speaker 2: Party with local officials. At the same time, they're also

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Speaker 2: having to acknowledge they lied about yet another shooting. So

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Speaker 2: break that down for you. Christin Noam is making more

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Speaker 2: comments about how they need to get the right people

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Speaker 2: to vote. A lot going on there with regard to

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six elections.

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Speaker 4: Randy Fine doing Randy Fine.

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Speaker 2: Things, you know, posting just the most disgusting comments you

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Speaker 2: can imagine. And I'm like getting a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a back and forth here with the Babylon Bee folks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll have an interesting discussion about the backlash

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Speaker 3: or i mean relative lack thereof backlash to what Randy

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Speaker 3: Fines said. It's a good glimpse that things that are

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm looking I'm looking forward to hearing your take

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Speaker 2: Israel moves to just overtly you know, it's being called

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Speaker 2: have someone from Fire, the civil rights organization that is

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Speaker 2: joining us to talk about their lawsuit against Pambondi and

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Speaker 2: Christy Noam. They have been this government has really been

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Speaker 2: pressuring tech companies to take down any sort of anti

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Speaker 2: So a realssault here on civil liberties and just breaking

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Speaker 2: about this as well. Stephen Colbert revealed that the FCC

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Speaker 2: So yet another sense of crushing of any sort of descent.

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Speaker 2: So we'll get their take on that as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that one. It's actually I'll be curious as

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Speaker 3: But I'm really curious if it's more CBS than the FCC. Well,

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Speaker 2: So apparently they threatened the view after they had James

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Speaker 3: Equal time to his whether it's John Cornyan or whatever.

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Speaker 3: That's the line the FCC is pushing. I wonder in

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Speaker 3: Hilarious that Tall Rico is at the center.

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Speaker 2: because Haber made a whole thing of it on his show.

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Speaker 2: et cetera. So I mean, great publicity for him. If

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Speaker 2: you were looking to, you know, to quash this guy's prospects, Congratulations,

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Speaker 2: you've just absolutely elevated him. Before we get into the

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Speaker 2: Epstein News, want to thank everybody so much for your support.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think people have been really interested in

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Speaker 2: also last note here, wanted to mention and reflect on

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Speaker 2: the life and now the passing of Reverend Jesse Jackson, who,

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Speaker 2: the Democrats and really ran on this message of of

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Speaker 2: So obviously, you know, it's a message that is very

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Speaker 2: I pulled up one of his speeches is a patchwork

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Speaker 2: quilt speech from nineteen eighty eight Democratic National Convention, and

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Speaker 2: You are right, but your patch labor is not big enough.

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Speaker 2: Women you seek comparable worth and pay equity. You are right,

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Speaker 4: You are right, but your patch.

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Speaker 2: Is not big enough. Students you seek scholarships. You are right,

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Speaker 2: but your patch is not big enough. Blacks and Hispanics

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Speaker 2: Be as wise as my grandmama. Pull the patches and

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Speaker 4: Reverend Jesse Jackson may he rest in peace.

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Speaker 3: Also was on the balcony when Martin Luther King Junior

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Speaker 4: Sorry he was there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So a piece of history for sure that now

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Speaker 3: interesting point, said no. Jesse Jackson mentored many, many young,

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Speaker 2: His impact is and Ryan could probably speak to this

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Speaker 3: Reverend Jesse Jackson, Crystal, let's move to upson.

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Speaker 5: No, No, they're getting polled in, and that's the problem.

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Speaker 2: Have been pulled in you So there you go, totally exonerated.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit more about that. This was

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Speaker 2: an important investigation, I think from Channel four News and

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Speaker 2: they have led on. And they're saying potentially just two

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Speaker 2: percent of the information that the FBI retrieved from Epstein's homes.

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Speaker 4: Has been released.

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Speaker 2: That's based on previous information that the government has, you know,

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Speaker 4: File show.

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Speaker 2: has also said he cut ties with Epstein years ago.

435
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 2: The Barrock Epstein friendship appears to have continued, undeterred by

436
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Speaker 2: Epstein's alleged fall from Grace in Florida after he was

437
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 2: charged with sexual misconduct involving teenage girls. In September two

438
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Speaker 2: thousand and nine, just months after Epstein's release from the

439
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 2: Palm Beach County jail, Barack wrote to him quote thinking

440
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 2: about you. Hope you're good and life is calm again,

441
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 2: a sentiment that marked the beginning of an extended period

442
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 2: of contact between the two. Over the following years. Epstein

443
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 2: encouraged me and facilitated introductions between Barack and individuals including

444
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 2: Pellentaire CEO, Peter Thiel, former Israeli Prime Minister Ahod Barack

445
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: and Russia's UN ambassador Vitaly Churkin during the twenty sixteen

446
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Speaker 2: presidential campaign. In the early months of twenty sixteen, after

447
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: mister Trump surprised the political world by winning the New

448
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 2: Hampshire Republican primary, Barock emerged as one of a select

449
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Speaker 2: group of insiders helping to shape Trump's outsider bid for

450
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Speaker 2: the White House. As the Trump momentum grew, Epstein emailed

451
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 2: his friend Barock a greeting and a reminder of their

452
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Speaker 2: shared past, writing, hope.

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Speaker 4: You are well.

454
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Speaker 2: Photos look good, FYI. I received many calls a week

455
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Speaker 2: about both Donald redacted, Marla beauty contest, mar A Lago, etc.

456
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Speaker 2: And Clinton from reporters, less so recently with Clinton, but

457
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Speaker 2: my answers are always I have nothing to say, or

458
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Speaker 2: I try to ignore altogether. A few times I've been

459
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: ambushed on the street with questions, but I'm more careful now.

460
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 2: Barack replied, hope you're good, Let's catch up. Epstein then

461
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 2: asked for a foex Brock's newborn baby, writing send photos

462
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Speaker 2: of you and child.

463
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Speaker 4: Make me smile.

464
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Speaker 3: Creepy.

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Speaker 2: In April twenty sixteen, with Barock, deeply enmeshed in the

466
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Speaker 2: Trump campaign, Epstein reached out again, this time with a warning.

467
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 2: He forwarded an email, but a potentially damaging lawsuit just

468
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Speaker 2: filed by women using the pseudonym Katie Johnson. In the

469
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Speaker 2: civil complaints, she alleged Epstein and Trump raped her in

470
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four when she was very young.

471
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Speaker 4: The lawsuit was withdrawn.

472
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: Mister Trump denied the accusations, but Epstein wrote he considered

473
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Speaker 2: the legal claim nuts. But I thought you guys should

474
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Speaker 2: know the documents do not indicate a Barock acknowledge or

475
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Speaker 2: replied to the email. I think that email where and

476
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Speaker 2: it goes on from there. You guys should take a

477
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Speaker 2: look at you know, it's an extensive set of communications

478
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Speaker 2: over years, and clearly he knew because he's you know,

479
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 2: squaring Epstein. Hey, I hope you're good after your you know,

480
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 2: sweetheart deal. Jail term is finished. Clearly he knows what

481
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 2: happened here. And they had been close friends previously. But

482
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: that email, right, you know, during the twenty sixteen campaign,

483
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Speaker 2: where he's like, hey, you know, just so you know, oh,

484
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Speaker 2: getting all these questions from reporters to me, That is

485
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 2: his way of saying, like you know what I know,

486
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 2: and you know people are starting to reach out. It's

487
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Speaker 2: his way of insinuating himself and holding out the threat

488
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Speaker 2: of you know, there's some things I could there's some

489
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Speaker 2: tales I could tell that would be damaging. And that's

490
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Speaker 2: how I read that up. Marla mar A Lago. You know,

491
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Speaker 2: getting a lot of questions here about Trump.

492
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Speaker 3: Interesting. I mean, one of the things that Ryan has

493
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Speaker 3: reported with Barak going back to the first Trump administration

494
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Speaker 3: is what we were talking about, the Parah charges. So

495
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Speaker 3: that's the Foreign Agent Regustration Act, meaning if you are

496
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Speaker 3: acting on behalf of the UAE, he was accused of

497
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Speaker 3: not registering under Pharah as an agent of the United

498
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Speaker 3: Arab Emirates. He is now our ambassador to Turkey. We

499
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Speaker 3: should mention that irrelevant to all of this, the current

500
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Speaker 3: ambassador to Turkey a NATO ally as they say, so

501
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Speaker 3: Tom Barack is going through in these emails. It's not

502
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Speaker 3: just some of the social stuff that Krystal mentioned. They're

503
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: also very clearly having politically significant, politically freighted conversations like

504
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Speaker 3: the Teal conversation that you mentioned. But also then Epstein

505
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: invests a million dollars in what was his firm was

506
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Speaker 3: called Colony Capital. After they talked one day. Yeah, so here.

507
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Speaker 3: The day after the meeting with Teal was scheduled, Epstein

508
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 3: wrote to Barack, I love teal suggestion regarding women and

509
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Speaker 3: children that every time you're saving lives of cetter, I

510
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 3: think if the tens one thousand women and children died

511
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Speaker 3: as directors all of your careless interventions, that's likely a

512
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Speaker 3: reference to Teal's like libertarian perspective on things like usaid

513
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Speaker 3: quote unquote libertarian perspective on that. I'm assuming that's what

514
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Speaker 3: he meant Teal was talking about. But the day after that,

515
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Speaker 3: CBS reports Epstein purchased approximately one million dollars of stock

516
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Speaker 3: in Colony Capital, the publicly traded company founded by Barack.

517
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Speaker 3: So if you think that it's a coincidence, the day

518
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Speaker 3: after they had a meeting where they are discussing Peter

519
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Speaker 3: Teal's suggestions or Peter Til's thoughts theories on how the

520
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Speaker 3: world works, and then Epstein goes purchases a million dollars

521
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Speaker 3: of stock the day after, I mean, I think that's

522
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Speaker 3: obviously obviously ridiculous. They were also having lunch, Chris, so,

523
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Speaker 3: I think you mentioned this. According to the CBS report

524
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: with a hoop Barock, Epstein, a hoop Barock, litterally Chirkin

525
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 3: all at the same time. So to act as though

526
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Speaker 3: Barack or this will be hard for the Trump administration

527
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Speaker 3: to act as though Tom Barock's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein

528
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 3: was purely social because clearly it was also business of politics.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And dropsite has another report about the power plays that

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Speaker 2: were being made with Jeffrey Epstein. And this is another

532
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Speaker 2: you know, business deal or series of business deals with

533
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Speaker 2: former Israeli Prime Minister Aho Barack. We can put this

534
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Speaker 2: up on the screen here. The focus was on Africa,

535
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Speaker 2: and you know the TLDR here is that they saw

536
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: a genuine crisis in Nigeria. There's an extraordinary email. I'll

537
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Speaker 2: try to pull it up but from Epstein where he says,

538
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Speaker 2: you know all of this, the chaos in the region.

539
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: If this is kind of great for you, isn't it?

540
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: And Barack replies basically like yeah, but it's hard to

541
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Speaker 2: turn it into a cash flow.

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Speaker 4: Well they managed, they managed to do it.

543
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Speaker 2: So in any case, you know, Nigeria is struggling with

544
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Speaker 2: this bocohoram terror attacks, and Ahod Barrock wants to position

545
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: himself as this businessman who can help deal with security issues.

546
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Speaker 2: This is of course a lot of Israeli tech is

547
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: geared towards because they try it out on Palestinians and

548
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 2: then they sell it to the world, and so that

549
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 2: ends up being there in and you know, they start

550
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: with this small sort of like pilot project, and then

551
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: they're able to gain a larger foothold and eventually there's

552
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: able to you know, secure various infrastructure deals as well.

553
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: And you can see the way that Epstein in all

554
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: of this is acting as a facilitator and a connector

555
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: and a strategist for Ahood Barock to help him position

556
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: himself as this you know, expert on technology and security

557
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Speaker 2: and offer his services to a variety countries.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's an important point. Also, the

559
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: Epstein Bannon relationship important point in this context. Meaning the

560
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 3: reason and this is this is in the most fundamental,

561
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 3: basic sense, the problem with public corruption. When you put

562
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Speaker 3: public policy up for sale, whether you're a Podesta or

563
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: whether you're Tom Barrock, Donald Trump, Jared Kushner, what you're

564
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: doing is creating corrupt points of entry into public policy,

565
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Speaker 3: and the reason that you saw people just in total action,

566
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Speaker 3: wheeling and dealing. We've seen it throughout the second Trump

567
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: administration especially. This is what was happening behind closed doors.

568
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: We now know in Trump one. A lot of this

569
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Speaker 3: is happening in front of everyone in Trump two. And

570
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: the reason for that is they all know each other.

571
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Speaker 3: They've all, you know, traded capital, they've all probably traded

572
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: secrets and spent social time together, and so they've got

573
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Speaker 3: this self perpetuating machine right now and it's burring, it's

574
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: printing money for them. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that I really have taken away

576
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Speaker 2: to is just how explicitly they see chaos, death, disaster,

577
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Speaker 2: terror attacks as business opportunities. Like it's just it's very naked.

578
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Speaker 2: I mean, I obviously knew about disaster capitalism and all

579
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Speaker 2: of that, but just to see it spell down of like, hey,

580
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Speaker 2: all these wars are really great for you is really

581
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Speaker 2: something else.

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 2: I think that's been the thing I keep coming back

584
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Speaker 2: to is that while I had an understanding of the

585
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Speaker 2: existence of these power structures, I did not understand just

586
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Speaker 2: how explicit it was. And that's what's wild about reading

587
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: through these emails. This next one I pulled because I

588
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: specifically wanted to it to hear your thoughts on this,

589
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: and it's been a piece that I've been sort of,

590
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: you know, thinking through. Epstein went out of his way

591
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Speaker 2: to cultivate a lot of scientists and a lot of academics.

592
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Speaker 2: Obviously chomp Skiving one of those, but there were many

593
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Speaker 2: others besides. The New York Times did an article on this,

594
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Speaker 2: which I thought was not really great. It was unsurprised

595
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 2: to learn, but in any case, it's the headline here

596
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: is Epstein's ties with academic show the CD side of

597
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: college fundraising. Professors and presidents are often eager to raise

598
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Speaker 2: outside cash. Some are now facing blowback after connecting with

599
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. And the framing of this article is basically like,

600
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Speaker 2: you know, while some of these elite institutions they have

601
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: these gigantic endowments, but those are very restricted, so they're

602
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: still sort of like desperate for cash, and that leads them,

603
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Speaker 2: especially if you're you know, professors trying to get a

604
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Speaker 2: grant for this or that to do the study, It

605
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: leaves them vulnerable to being preyed upon by someone like

606
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. And the reason why I don't love the

607
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Speaker 2: article is because I think it sort of it lets

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Speaker 2: them off the hook in a sense. It's a way

609
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Speaker 2: to sort of seek to rationalize why, oh, there's an

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Speaker 2: innocent you know, there's a somewhat innocent explanation for what's

611
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Speaker 2: going on here. Now, that doesn't mean I don't think

612
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Speaker 2: that the fundamental premise that like, yes, that that desire

613
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Speaker 2: for funding for the research itself certainly does leave them vulnerable.

614
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: But to me, it doesn't fully answer the question of

615
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: why Epstein was so interested in cultivating these academics and

616
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: why many of them had, you know, extensive back and

617
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: forth relationships with him over years. Especially according to The

618
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: New York Times reporting, a lot of the funds that

619
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Speaker 2: he would promise or sort of float for these various

620
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Speaker 2: institutions never actually really came through. So, oh, I'll make

621
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Speaker 2: a multimillion dollar gift and then he's sort of stringing

622
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Speaker 2: people along and it never really fully comes through.

623
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Speaker 3: Etc.

624
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Speaker 2: We also cover on the show did you see this

625
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Speaker 2: him getting his girlfriend into the Columbia Dental School and

626
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Speaker 2: all of that, and it was for again, I mean,

627
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: this is for normal people, large sums, but for him nothing.

628
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Speaker 2: It was like you know a few hundred thousand dollars

629
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Speaker 2: that he was giving to the school and able to

630
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Speaker 2: get in his girlfriend who did not have the requisite

631
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Speaker 2: experience or credentials to be able to get into this school,

632
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Speaker 2: and sort of easing her path all the way through.

633
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Speaker 3: And Ryan reported on the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and

634
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Speaker 3: An Dershowitz and how they collaborated to undermine Meersheimer while

635
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: Dershwitz was I think at Harvard, and part of this

636
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 3: is I mean, on some level, it's just it makes

637
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: sense that if you're a billionaire who's hoping to influence

638
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: policy and particularly scientific research in this transhumanist direction, having

639
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: seduced all of these academics and getting him in their orbit,

640
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: on the one hand, you feel like you've consolidated influence

641
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: because you can bring people into your townhouse. Which the

642
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: emails and we already knew this show was happening over

643
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: and over again, we now have a more complete picture

644
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: of exactly what was happening, but also the Bill Gates relationship.

645
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Speaker 3: He was in fact probably because giving this money brings

646
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: you into the circles, I mean, giving money to academia

647
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: gets you invited all the fundraisers and dinners. That's where

648
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 3: you meet the people like Bill Gates and others. That's currency.

649
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: That's huge currency to be able to say, why don't

650
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: you look in at this? Or why don't you look

651
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 3: in at that? Or when? And you want to be

652
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: connected with an NSA codebreaker, you can email Bill Gates's

653
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 3: second in command and say, hey, interview it introduced me

654
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: to someone at the NSA and the guy's like, oh, yeah,

655
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: no problem and takes care of it, which we know

656
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: the sporis Nikolas Fellow, as drop site reported recently, that's

657
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: what was happening. And so you make it easier. You're

658
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: greasing the skids for your like grand plan with this

659
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: money to academia. I agree The Times is kind of

660
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: letting them off the hook. It is pathetic to see

661
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: some of the academics in the emails begging basically all

662
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: but begging Jeffrey Epstein for you know, they're flattering him,

663
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: Oh what a wonderful time, what an interesting idea. It's disgusting,

664
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: and that's happening over and over again.

665
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 5: Now.

666
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: I think for some time for some people it really

667
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: was just research. I actually see that. I know we're

668
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: about to talk about Peter Attiya. Look at the Atia emails.

669
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: He's a good example of somebody who you're like, okay,

670
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: you were sucking up to Jeffrey Epstein if you googled

671
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: him as Rogan did. Rogan talks about how someone he

672
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: had a guess who was trying to introduce him that

673
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: Epstiny's like, yeah, I just googled the guy. In like

674
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: ten seconds later, I was like, no, what are you.

675
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: I'm not meeting this guy, you know, after he's in prison.

676
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 3: Peter Attilla sucking up big time to Jeffrey Epstein over

677
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: and over again. And all I can say after going

678
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: through many, many of these messages is many such cases,

679
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: many such well over the place, and yeah, it just

680
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: well it fits.

681
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 2: To with your reporting on his eugenics totally obsession. And

682
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: there's actually we can put a ten up on the

683
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 2: screen because this fits with this. They new Mexico legislators

684
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: have just passed legislation to launch the first full investigation

685
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: of what happened at Zora Ranch, where the late US

686
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 2: sex offender Jeffrey Epstein's accused of trafficking sexually assaulting girls

687
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: and women, and Zora Ranch seems to be have been

688
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: at the center of this eugenics scheme, and I don't know.

689
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: I don't know what.

690
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: Could be discovered at this point. Hopefully there's something there

691
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: that could be found. You know, obviously the search should

692
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: have happened long ago. But you know, we have no

693
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: idea how far he got down the road of these

694
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: eugenics ambitions. We do know that there are some emails

695
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: from remember I think it was like Fergie and like

696
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: some of the British royal types, congratulating him seemingly on

697
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: the birth of a baby. And as far as we know,

698
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: he doesn't have any children. So there are some things

699
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: in there that are not any kind of definitive proof,

700
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: but are like question mark. There are some allegations from victims,

701
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: one girl alleging that he offered to buy her baby,

702
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: things extremely disturbing, things of that nature.

703
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 4: And again Zorah ran.

704
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: To him, by the way, yes, that's right, you offered

705
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 3: to buy my baby in an email to Jeffrey that's right.

706
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 4: Yes.

707
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: And Zora Ranch and this was reported by the New

708
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: York Times years ago, was the center of this whatever

709
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: this eugenics scheme truly was.

710
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we still don't have that. This is one

711
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: of the big enduring mysteries. I feel like even the

712
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: most recent release, it has made the picture more complicated

713
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: and more interesting. But I feel like we haven't even

714
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: gotten significantly closer to understanding what went on at Zoro

715
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 3: Ranch because it seems to have been. I mean, all

716
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: everything is pointing to it being the dark place that

717
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: it's is kind of legend for having been. Unfortunately that

718
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: it's notorious for having been, so that part. The other

719
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: thing I want to mention about academia is Tyler Austin

720
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: Harper had a fantastic essay in the Atlantic. He is

721
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,959
Speaker 3: so good, he's such a good writer, but about how

722
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: the Melon Foundation has basically controlled the monopoly on funding

723
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 3: to academic institutions on the humanities over many, many years.

724
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 3: And that's interesting too, because it just goes to show, well,

725
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 3: if you're close with people in Melon world, guess how

726
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: you can get money for X, Y and Z. Right,

727
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: it's just the consolidation of our supposedly democratic society that's

728
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: right in the hands of so few powerful institutions and

729
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 3: the people that lead those powerful institutions. That's what they're

730
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 3: getting off on throughout these emails.

731
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: That actually gets to the kind of premise of some

732
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: of a non geared artist's work about the dark side

733
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: of philanthropy, where it's exactly that where you know, if

734
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: it's the Gates Foundation or the you know, the various

735
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: Walmart heirs or the Melons or whoever it is that

736
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 2: are doing the investing in scientific research or funding various

737
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: philanthropic projects, then yeah, you're going to be pressured to

738
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: suck up to them, and you're the work that you

739
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: engage in is going to be very much influenced by

740
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: whatever their tastes or interests happened to be. In Jeffrey

741
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: Epstein's case, one of those interests was eugenics, and so

742
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: that was the sort of thing that he was looking to,

743
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: you know, facilitate relationships with and potentially provide funding for.

744
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 3: And everyone else is cooperating, by the way. They're fully

745
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 3: on board with this total anti democratic, oligarchic, gallic Arctic

746
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: effort to change the human race. Yeah, like that's it

747
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 3: was normal to them. They're all just like, yeah, okay, cool, interesting.

748
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: Interesting Again, they we're in their sandbox, that's how they

749
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: look at it. The rest of us are in their sandbox.

750
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: And still look at how Elon Musk talks about like

751
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: his you know, breeding project, and I mean there's a

752
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: Chinese billionaire who was revealed to have like hundreds of

753
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: children or something like this. So it's a natural, uh,

754
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: a naturally unnatural development from a class of people who

755
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: thinks they are better than who have various supremacist ideologies

756
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: that justify that view. You know, Epstein clearly from the

757
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: language that he uses and a bunch of these emails

758
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: as a Jewish supremacist, you know, Elon has his own

759
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: like IQ supremacist view, et cetera. But many of them

760
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: have some ideology which causes them to believe they are

761
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 2: different from the rest of the species, which is what

762
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: enables that dehumanization, is what enables the abuse and the

763
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: you know, gortesque behavior that we know occurred in the

764
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: case of Epstein. We've got a name, Noahmi Campbell was

765
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,479
Speaker 2: president in these files, quite a big put a six

766
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: up on the screen, you know, there's this is a

767
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: new one. Obviously, she's high level model. Makes sense in

768
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: a way because she was one of Victoria's secrets most

769
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: high profile models. Epstein is connected to Victoria's secret via

770
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: Les Wexner. He apparently would like name drop her with

771
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: some of the young models that he's looking to cultivate.

772
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: You know, appears that this modeling pipeline from Eastern Europe

773
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: was one of the ways that abuse was enabled. So

774
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: you know that that is an interesting piece of a

775
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: puzzle in terms of how he's able to, you know,

776
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: persuade these young girls that like, oh no, I'm legit

777
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: in the modeling industry and I'm gonna make your dreams cometry.

778
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 3: Well, you've been going deep on like over years now

779
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 3: on the modeling ties between Jean lup, Bernell Wexner, and Epstein.

780
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: I was kindding Trum I saw this and Trump right,

781
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: I was curious when I saw this it How what

782
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: is your sense of how the models were aware of

783
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: any of this.

784
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 2: It's a good question, and I don't think it's really

785
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: answerable at this point. I mean, we have some indications

786
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: from the emails, We have some indications from actually some

787
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: old like documentary footage about these contests. We know there

788
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: were we know there was you know, at least one

789
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: party that was held at Mara a Lago where girls

790
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: were promised like, oh, there's going to be all these

791
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: VIPs here, You're going to be able to network and

792
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: then they show up and it's just Trump and Epstein.

793
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: So the modeling world is infamous for being a pipeline

794
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: for human trafficking and for sex trafficking, and Casablanca is

795
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: who Trump really admired and wanted to emulate, was a

796
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 2: known abuser. I mean, he had a relationship with what's

797
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: her name, Stephanie hirsh Is that her name, Stephanie Seymour.

798
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: There we go when she was sixteen years old, and

799
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: so this was all this was all known. I mean,

800
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: it's disturbing to me that he put his own daughter,

801
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: Ivanka into this world when she is a young girl,

802
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen years old, and this is why he wants

803
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 2: to start his own modeling agency obviously, Epstein, I think

804
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: this is part of why he latches onto Les Wesner

805
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: because he sees this connection with Victoria's Secret and holds

806
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: himself out.

807
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 4: He was actually.

808
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: Rebuked internally at one point because he was holding himself

809
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: out as he was a Victoria's Secret like recruiter.

810
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 4: And that was not.

811
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 3: Technically to women.

812
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that was not technically the case, but you know,

813
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: I think they believed a lot of the promises there

814
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: are probably some upfront like, oh, I'll provide this for you,

815
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: I'll provide that for you. And you're also talking about,

816
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: you know a lot of poor girls from Eastern Europe

817
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: after the Soviet Union collapses, who are kind of desperate

818
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: and who are put into this incredibly you know, vulnerable,

819
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: vulnerable situation. All right, let's let's let's go ahead and

820
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: take a look at one piece of this. This is

821
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: the AA, which speaks to what you're talking about here,

822
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 2: Emily in terms of how he's interacting with these girls

823
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: who are aspiring models. So she's asking I think she

824
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 2: attended some dinner with him or whatever, and he's giving

825
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: her this advice on how she should conduct herself in

826
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: the future. He says, it's time you start an education.

827
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 2: I do not say fuck to anyone except in bed,

828
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: especially not at the table. Number two. You are twenty two.

829
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: Only ask questions of men. They are not really interested

830
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 2: in your opinions. That's when you are thirty, and then

831
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: only marginally.

832
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 4: That's great, ladies, that's great. Take that one up.

833
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: Luckily we both make the cut for at least marginal

834
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 2: interest in our opinions.

835
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: That's what the that's what the girl show is and

836
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 3: so we should call it the marginal marginal interest Yeah.

837
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 4: Zone of marginal interests.

838
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 3: Also, that's oh shit, Christal, it's also our.

839
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: Bab Anyway, it goes on to say, I'm very respectful

840
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: you've not been taught twenty first century science, so you

841
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: can be forgiven and believing the world's flat, the sun

842
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: revolves around the earth, or there are energy fields, or

843
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: you can get sick from air conditioning, or magnets can

844
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: tell what type of yoga poses to do, or Santa

845
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: Claus exists, or if you think positive thoughts, positive things

846
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 2: will happen, or things are meant to be fate destny angels.

847
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: I realize you have the potential to understand you've learned

848
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: very old fashioned ideas that country people believe. It's now

849
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: time you take your life seriously. Actor slash model is

850
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: not freedom. You have time try them on for size.

851
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: Look around. They are not free. Whenning the lottery is

852
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: not a good strategy to bet on start learning a skill.

853
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 4: If you need help, I will be there. So he

854
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 4: and I believe.

855
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 3: Subject line by the way, cloud's taken by me exclamation

856
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: point amazing.

857
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, what does that mean?

858
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: I'm assuming it was like a picture, but who.

859
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: Knows anyway, So you know this is he grooms these

860
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: girls and then I believe this is one of the

861
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: ones that ends up in some sort of quote unquote relationship.

862
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 4: With Leon Black.

863
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: So he's grooming them how to be with the various

864
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 2: rich and powerful men and then he uses them as currency.

865
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Speaker 3: And he's well, I shouldn't say grooming, but he's also

866
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: coaching Larry Summers, for example, on how to have relationships

867
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Speaker 3: with these younger women who are often mistresses. Yes, it's disgusting.

868
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, one more just to you know, to

869
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Speaker 2: make sure we're all deeply disturbed before we move on

870
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Speaker 2: to the rest of the show. TMZ with some reporting here,

871
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: and by the way, Soccer message us this morning that

872
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: he did confirm this reporting too. Jeffrey Epstein asked about

873
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: zombie drug plants he kept at nursery. Jeffrey Epstein may

874
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: have had a collection of highly poisonous plants known to

875
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: produce a drug that blocks free will.

876
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Speaker 4: In its victims.

877
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Speaker 2: According to newly discovered emails and one of the uncovered messages,

878
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: Epstein sends an email asking about his quote trumpet plants

879
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 2: at nursery for background Angel's trumpet plants are extremely toxic.

880
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 2: They produce a drug called scopalamine, which is known to

881
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: basically turn humans into zombies, wiping them of memory and

882
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: eliminating their free will. Severe intoxication reportedly may even cause

883
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: paralysis and death. Even more alarming, scopalamine does reportedly does

884
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: not show up on toxicology reports. And if you're wondering

885
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: if Epstein was aware of this, there's an excellent chance

886
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: he was. In another email, he was sent an article

887
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 2: all about the effects of scopolamine and the plant that

888
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: it comes from.

889
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 3: Yeahs, Soccer said. He confirmed these emails existed, as Crystal mentioned.

890
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: So that's as disturbing as you'd expect it to be,

891
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 3: not surprising actually at all, based on the various projects

892
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 3: he was getting into in this email inbox. But what

893
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: that can be used for as it's.

894
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 4: Chilling, Yeah, completely.

895
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and turn to the latest with regard

896
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: to DHS and the mass deportation effort, and especially in

897
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: regards to several high profile shootings. So let's put this

898
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: first element up on the screen. The FBI is now

899
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: officially announced. We kind of knew this already, but now

900
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: it's been completely confirmed. That they are not going to

901
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: share Alex Pretty shooting evidence, according to Minnesota authorities. Minnesota

902
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: law enforcement authorities have said the FBI's refusing to share

903
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: any evidence into its investigation death of Alex Pretty, the

904
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 2: man killed by federal immigration authorities in late January. Pretty

905
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: was shot on January twenty fourth by CBP officials in

906
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: Minneapolis's killing came just two days of two weeks, of course,

907
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 2: after Renee Good was shot and killed. On Monday, Minnesota's

908
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, a state level criminal investigative law

909
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: enforcement agency, said the FBI had formally notified it that

910
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: it would not share any information or evidence related to

911
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: Preddie's shooting. Minnesota Governor Tim Wallas's demanded an impartial investigation

912
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: into the shootings in Minneapolis. Trump's left hand cannot investigate

913
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: his right hand, he said on Monday, in response to the

914
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: FBI's refusal to share evidence. The families of the deceased

915
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: deserved better, and obviously this is I mean, it's completely like,

916
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: there's no defense of it. It's unjustifiable, and the American

917
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: people want to see overwhelmingly, including many Republicans, want to

918
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: see a real investigation into this want to see charges brought,

919
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: you know, against the two CBP agents who shot and

920
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: killed Alex Pretty who was you know, was nonviolent. It

921
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: was unprovoked and many shots came after he was already lying,

922
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: you know, probably dead on the ground. So you know,

923
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: it's outrageous, it's an outrageous abuse of power that they're

924
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 2: just saying, Nope, there's going to be no accountability here.

925
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: We're going to handle this and we're not going to

926
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: cooperate whatsoever.

927
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: You know, to your point, it's not surprising this is

928
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 3: where we are. It's actually not surprising to me that

929
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 3: either Walls and Fry or the Trump administration neither camp

930
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 3: trusts the other camp anymore. So, I that doesn't surprise

931
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 3: me whatsoever. I don't think it surprised anybody whatsoever. For

932
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 3: the administration. On the other hand, this is the case

933
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 3: that they I think most prominently, I mean, this is

934
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 3: the case that started to really after Rene Good. This

935
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: was the snowball effect on public opinion and it was

936
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 3: already moving against them, but this really blew it all up.

937
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 3: And why well, in no small part because they put

938
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: out as third stories at first, and so if they

939
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 3: want people to trust their investigation while also not cooperating

940
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 3: with local authorities. The big problem as far as the

941
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: public is going to be concerned, is that this administration

942
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 3: misled the public immediately and even to the point where

943
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 3: the president has disagreed with some of the early statements,

944
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: actually has openly disagreed with some of the early statements

945
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: that were made by his own administration. And so if

946
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 3: you want to have I mean, I think I remember

947
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 3: saying about this case, this is where you're If you

948
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,959
Speaker 3: want to carry out mass deportations, that's your political goal,

949
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 3: you need to have a lot of public trust in

950
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,479
Speaker 3: order to do that in a way that politically makes sense,

951
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: but also in a way that you can logistically be

952
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 3: in these communities and actually be engaged in deportation. The

953
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 3: public trust in this case was broken in a way

954
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 3: that was flagrant. Like it was so the saying that

955
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 3: he wanted to massacre people. That's what their early story

956
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: was about, and what clearly came to the thing to

957
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: massacre people, Yes, that was their line. And so like

958
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: you can be on either side of the party thing

959
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 3: and look at what the Trump administration didn't say, Holy, like,

960
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: you guys don't have trust on this don't you do

961
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 3: not have the public trust.

962
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: I think it also shows how thin the you know,

963
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: change in stance is, because they obviously they sent in

964
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: Tom Homan instead of Greg Bovino. Now they've said, okay,

965
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: we're done with this surge of agents in Minneapolis, We're

966
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: moving on to other things. And yet on you know,

967
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 2: this shooting, which was has been the most high profile.

968
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 2: I think you're right, it's really been a turning point

969
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: in terms of public sentiment. There was already a major

970
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 2: degradation of trust. There was already a lot of horror

971
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: what had been done, but this was really a galvanizing

972
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: and horrifying moment for many, many millions of people. And

973
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: so on this critical case, there's still not budging an

974
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: inch effectively. Another one that there was another shooting shortly

975
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: after Alex Party was killed by CBP agents in Minneapolis

976
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: that we covered here on the show because immediately, well,

977
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: first of all, I don't trust these people at all,

978
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 2: So when they come out with the story, I'm like,

979
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 2: they're probably lying, And that instinct has been justified every

980
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: single time thus far. In any case, there was another shooting.

981
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: This person ended up surviving, but the government story and

982
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: some footage that was released by the family where they

983
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 2: were calling nine to one one immediately. There were contradictions

984
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: in what was going on here. So the government story

985
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: was that the immigration agents were assaulted by multiple people,

986
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 2: one how to broom, one how to shovel, and in

987
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: fear for their life, they fired shots, et cetera. They

988
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: filed charges against the people that they said had been involved. Well,

989
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: now those charges have been dropped and they're admitting that

990
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 2: the agents involved lied about everything that occurred here. So

991
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 2: we can put this up on the screen from NPR.

992
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: DHS says immigration agents appear to have lied about shooting

993
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 2: in Minnesota. Two federal immigration agents involved in the shooting

994
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: of a Venezuelan and immigrant in Minneapolis last month appear

995
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: to have lied about the details of the incident. The

996
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: agents have been placed on administrative leave after a joint

997
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: review by ICE and DOJ of video evidence that has

998
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 2: revealed that sworn testimony provided by two separate officers appear

999
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: to have made untruthful statements. That is from Trichia McLaughlin.

1000
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: The rare acknowledgment of potential missteps by ICE agents comes

1001
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: after the agency's acting director, Todd Lions told Congress on Thursday.

1002
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: Ices conducted thirty seven investigations into officers' use of force

1003
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 2: over the past year. He did not say whether anyone

1004
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: has been fired. McLaughlin said the agency is investigating that

1005
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 2: January fourteenth shooting of the Venezuela and Immigrant.

1006
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 4: The officers involved could be fired or.

1007
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: Criminally prosecuted for any violations, So they're even holding out

1008
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 2: the possibility that they could be charged for lying in

1009
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: this sworn testimony. And you definitely get the sense that

1010
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: what happened here kind of similar to what happened with

1011
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 2: Marmar Martinez in Chicago, which obviously we've obviously covered extensively

1012
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 2: here on the show as well, is that once there

1013
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: was video evidence that you know, was just fairly definitive

1014
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 2: that what they said was a complete and total lie,

1015
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: they had to drop the charges against her and they

1016
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: had to back off. Now she is filed a civil

1017
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: suit against, you know, against the people who were involved

1018
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: here and possibly against the government itself because she was

1019
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: shot five times and the body camera evidence shows that

1020
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 2: they were the ones who instigated the confrontation, that they

1021
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 2: were not in danger, that the basic facts of them

1022
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 2: claiming that they were blocked in by a variety of cars,

1023
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: totally completely false and made up. And so now we

1024
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: have another instance where they got their hands on some

1025
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: kind of video evidence and we're like, oh, this is

1026
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: not going to hold up in a court law.

1027
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: So, and this is another example where the public trust

1028
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: is extremely important, because it is true that there have

1029
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 3: been some efforts to resist deportation, and there have been

1030
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: some violent efforts to this deportation. That is true, and

1031
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 3: so when you lie about it, you make it less,

1032
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 3: You make your entire argument less credible along the way.

1033
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 3: And on top of that, is it possible that they're

1034
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 3: being lied to by their own agents in the field,

1035
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 3: by the way, who aren't in mass wearing body cameras.

1036
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 3: Some of them are wearing body cameras, but ICE has

1037
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 3: a ton of money they can afford to put every

1038
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: single one of them in body cameras. So is it

1039
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 3: possible that if you're sitting at DHS in Washington, you're

1040
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 3: getting information about what happened, You have your agents say

1041
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 3: this is what happened. This guy came to massacre, this

1042
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: person was fighting us, this person was violent, and DHS

1043
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 3: puts out a statement trusting you. Then it all blows up.

1044
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: They're a mess. I mean, they're very clearly mess this

1045
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: type of thing. It's understandable that it would when you're

1046
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: engaged in what you and I disagree on the deportation efforts,

1047
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 3: no matter what, that's going to be chaotic. But they

1048
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 3: are even by that standard, they're a mess. They're all

1049
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 3: over the place. They're making their own work more difficult,

1050
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 3: very clearly.

1051
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 2: It's so I mean, you're right that I, you know,

1052
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 2: totally agree with the entire project. But it's so easy

1053
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 2: to just say say disagree. Yeah, we just don't disagree.

1054
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris, I haven't want you over yet. I'll keep

1055
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 4: working on it.

1056
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: In anyways, it's so easy to just say we're investigating,

1057
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: we're looking into it, because if that's the problem, that

1058
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: their agents are lying to them. And I think you

1059
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: were right on the alex Party one. I looked into

1060
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: it enough that it seemed like the agents on the

1061
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 2: ground were like he pulled a gun on it, and

1062
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: they just believed it and ran with it. Ye yeah, yeah,

1063
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: And you know, and they want and they wanted to

1064
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 2: and they don't care ultimately, if they're lying to the public.

1065
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 2: They don't care if their statements are truthful. What they

1066
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: care about is backing up their you know, thugs on

1067
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: the ground in every instance that they possibly can. So

1068
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: if they're given a colorable story, they're happy to run

1069
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: with it. So put the next one up on the screen,

1070
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 2: just so you can see how Noah framed this quote

1071
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 2: unquote attack. Originally, she said, what we saw last night

1072
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: Minneapolis was an attempted murder of federal law enforcement. Our

1073
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: officer was ambushed and attacked by three individuals who beat

1074
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 2: him with snowshovels and the handles of brooms. Fearing for

1075
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: his life, the officer fired a defensive shot. Mayor Frey

1076
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: and Governor Wallace have to get their city under control.

1077
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Speaker 2: They're encouraging impeding an assault against their law enforcement, which

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Speaker 2: is a federal crime, a felony. This is putting the

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Speaker 2: people of Minnesota in harm's way. And so now they

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Speaker 2: filed charges against these individuals who allegedly tried to murder

1081
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Speaker 2: federal law enforcement official. Those charges have been dropped because

1082
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Speaker 2: they found out all of this total incomplete garbage in

1083
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Speaker 2: a lie.

1084
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Speaker 3: Again, we've like so rarely gone back to what happened

1085
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 3: in Dallas when there was an attempted shooting on ice

1086
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 3: officers that, by the way, ended up hurting migrants themselves.

1087
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Speaker 3: It's not out of the question that people are trying

1088
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Speaker 3: to harm ice agents. It's a politically polarized issue and

1089
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 3: it just bringing crazies out. So it's no question that

1090
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 3: that is happening. The degree to which is happening is

1091
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 3: more debatable, but there's no question that that's happened. So

1092
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Speaker 3: when you take advantage of that to lie and spin, yeah,

1093
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 3: you lose the public trust.

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Speaker 2: And how many people who are Fox News watchers are

1095
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 2: going to only hear the original Oh, they tried to

1096
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 2: murder law enforcement with brooms and shovels, and never hear

1097
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 2: the by the way, that was all garbage, and we

1098
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 2: could no longer sustain these lies because there's video evidence

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Speaker 2: and we had to drop the charges.

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Speaker 4: Oops were moving.

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Speaker 3: Well. I think that was a problem in the pretty

1102
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Speaker 3: case because as soon as I mean that Fox was playing,

1103
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 3: I had Fox CNN MS on like constantly, I was

1104
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 3: watching them playing. Fox was playing that footage all the time.

1105
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 3: And if you are, you know, a gun owning conservative,

1106
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 3: you saw that footage and you saw what the administration said.

1107
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: And so I think the inescapability of the videotape is

1108
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 3: part of the trust problem for DHS, and that they

1109
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 3: one thing, the video comes out, so even people who

1110
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 3: may otherwise be insulated from the following stories, yeah, have

1111
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 3: seen it, and that probably does explain. I mean, American

1112
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 3: Compass had a really good piece from someone in Ohio,

1113
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 3: Amber Lap, who was talking to people in her very

1114
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 3: blue collar area about what they think Trump voters about

1115
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 3: what they think on immigration, and a lot of them like,

1116
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: we don't like seeing what we're seeing. Yeah, people being

1117
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 3: pulled out of cars and the crackdown. Now that wasn't

1118
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 3: true of everyone, but it is, like the video is

1119
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 3: that is pervasive, Like that is seeping into everybody's news diets, and.

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Speaker 2: It's part of why they have been so aggressive about

1121
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: you have all of these organized citizens who are out

1122
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: there in the streets to observe and record, and why

1123
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: they've been so offended by that and so aggressive in

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00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: their tactics against those people who are just standing there

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Speaker 2: with iPhones recording. At the same time, there's a you know,

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Speaker 2: funding fight. DHS is actually shut down right now because

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00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 2: Democrats are holding the line for some kind of changes

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Speaker 2: with regard to this, you know, immigration enforcement.

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Speaker 3: They are funded on a stopgap measure because of something

1130
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Speaker 3: that was in the one.

1131
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 4: Big beautiful bill. That's right.

1132
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean, let's be clear here in the

1133
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: short term ICE CBP, they're not going to suffer.

1134
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Speaker 4: They have plenty of funding. They're functioning as usual, yes, And.

1135
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: Most of DHS, frankly is functioning as usual because most

1136
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: of the function of DHS are considered to be essential,

1137
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 2: so even in a shutdown they continue. In any case,

1138
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: this is the NBC you can put up with the screen.

1139
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: Lawmakers and the White House offer no signs of compromise

1140
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 2: on in their battle over oversight of federal immigration officers

1141
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 2: that has led to a pause in funding for DHS.

1142
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 2: Partial government shutdown began Saturday after Congressional Democrats and Trump's

1143
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 2: team failed to reach a deal on legislation of fund

1144
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: the department through September. Democrats are demanding changes to how

1145
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: immigration operations are conducted. Congress on recess until February twenty three.

1146
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: Both sides appear to be dug into their positions, and

1147
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 2: I think from it's hard to see how this gets

1148
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: resolved because from the Democrats perspective, they're like, you know,

1149
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: why would we given why would we the base is

1150
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: really demanding that something be done here, and they don't

1151
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 2: have the problem they had in the previous shutdown, where

1152
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: you've got the whole government shut down and there's real

1153
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: pain that is happening for workers and the Americans are

1154
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: experiencing the impacts of the shutdown, and you've got air

1155
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 2: travel screwed up and all of that. Like, you don't

1156
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: have that, which is why personally, I think it was

1157
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: a mistake to go along with this idea of hey,

1158
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: we'll pass all the other funding bills and we'll just

1159
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 2: separate out this piece, because that pressure is important point

1160
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: of leverage in any case. So they don't have that

1161
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 2: pain point that was a problem for them holding their

1162
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 2: ranks together. Republicans are like, well, we don't care because

1163
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: ICE and CBP still have all of their funding, So

1164
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: why would we bend an inch, Why would we give

1165
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: you anything that you want? And so I think this

1166
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 2: could continue for quite a while. Can be five up

1167
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: on the screen. Ryan Cooper made the case for what

1168
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: he says keeping ICE and CBP defunded. He says Democrats

1169
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: should not provide one thin dime to MAGA storm troopers

1170
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: and argues that yeah, Okay, they've got this money from

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Speaker 2: the Big Beautiful Bill. It gave ICE seventy five billion dollars,

1172
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: more than seven times it's annual budget, much more money

1173
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 2: than any military in the world except for China's and Americas.

1174
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 2: CBP also received tens of billions of dollars in its

1175
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: own right. Both agencies can draw on this money continue

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01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: operations during a shutdown. That said, he says, denying baseline

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Speaker 2: annual funding is still substantial cut for ICE and CBP,

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01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: and the longer it persists, the deeper the funding reduction

1179
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: will be. Democrats should stick to this line as long

1180
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 2: as Trump is in office. These agencies should get no

1181
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 2: funding through the traditional budget whatsoever. After all, they already

1182
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 2: have more than they need. And so his argument that

1183
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 2: I think a lot of Democrats will find compelling is

1184
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: basically like, no, you shouldn't be providing any funding to

1185
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 2: them at all, and yes, have plenty of money to operate.

1186
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 2: But if this goes on for years, then you know,

1187
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 2: every year there's less and less for them to be

1188
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 2: able to work with, and it creates more and more

1189
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 2: difficulties the longer that time goes on.

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Speaker 3: I do think one problem that Democrats should be aware

1191
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 3: of is for political problem for them is that the

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Speaker 3: policy of deporting people who are not supposed to be here.

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01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 3: The public is still pretty split on that. There's still

1194
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 3: pretty significant public support and it's a midterm yar now.

1195
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 3: Democrats are in primaries right now, which means they're focused

1196
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 3: on the base part of the election. And actually midterms

1197
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 3: period are base elections, meaning you want to electrify your base,

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01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 3: and one of the ways to do that would be

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Speaker 3: to give clearly what the Democratic base is demanding, which

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Speaker 3: is defunding ICE. Yeah, and just putting up a fight

1201
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 3: to We talked about that when the government when Haakim

1202
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 3: Jeffries led his half hearted government shut down and was

1203
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 3: the most pathetic display, but it was rooted in finally

1204
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 3: acknowledging that so many dumb voters just want to see

1205
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 3: you fighting, like just do something, do something. We know

1206
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 3: that you're still supportive of Netanyahu. Halfy, you just took

1207
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 3: a picture with him, like smiling, like we get it,

1208
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 3: but like, just show us that you're listening and that

1209
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 3: you'll fight at all. So it's an obvious base move,

1210
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 3: but you have to play it carefully because you know

1211
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 3: members of the public mean they still want to see

1212
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 3: a sane immigration policy, and I do think that's a

1213
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 3: problem for Democrats coming to the table with something that's better,

1214
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 3: that's not just outright stopping deportations, and even if it's

1215
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 3: defunding ICE, then explaining what that would mean for people

1216
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:38,919
Speaker 3: who are not supposed to be here.

1217
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Speaker 2: I mean, the polling indicates that completely abolishing ICE, which

1218
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: is not with.

1219
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Speaker 3: This, it has gone up.

1220
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a plurality position. Now I don't think it's

1221
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 2: achieved outright majority.

1222
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 3: Support, but it is the it has among Democrats.

1223
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,959
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, among Democrats it's like overwhelmingly popular, but among

1224
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:00,040
Speaker 2: independence it's also quite popular. And the you know, I

1225
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: think overwhelmingly the public has moved towards Democrats on seeing

1226
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 2: this as extremely abusive wanting. I was looking at the

1227
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Speaker 2: polling yesterday on you know, the checks that they want

1228
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Speaker 2: to see, you know, things like body cameras. Some eighty

1229
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 2: ninety percent want to see body cameras them being unmasked.

1230
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 2: It's like some seventy five percent say yes, they should

1231
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 2: be unmasked. You know, all of these basic accountability metrics

1232
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly popular, and so for Republicans to dig in on no,

1233
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: we want to keep our masked thugs in the street

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01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 2: with no body cameras or accountability. I don't see that

1235
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 2: as a winning political position for them, and so I

1236
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: think for Democrats to stay dug in on this matter

1237
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 2: and really push the issue. No, we're not voting for

1238
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: this as long as you have zero accountability for these

1239
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 2: people who are not even cooperating the alex Party investigation.

1240
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Speaker 2: I think that's like a clear cut political winner for Democrats.

1241
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 2: And it's the right thing to do too, by the way,

1242
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: which also matters.

1243
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Speaker 3: New York Times. Yeah, I mean, I think the mass

1244
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 3: and they should be looking and I think in fact

1245
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 3: they are looking at independent voters, which is why they

1246
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 3: said they were putting body cameras on the operation Metro

1247
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 3: surch guys a couple of weeks ago. Obviously that operations

1248
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 3: now over. I guess we'll see what happens, but yeah,

1249
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 3: I think they were that was a response to looking

1250
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 3: at independence, especially after what happened with Good and Pretty.

1251
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

1252
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Speaker 3: A New York Times headline from a few weeks ago,

1253
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 3: voters are split on deportations but disapprove of ice poll fines.

1254
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Speaker 3: So this is according to Times. A recent Times Siena poll.

1255
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Speaker 3: So Yeah, That's what I'm saying is I think you're right, Crystal,

1256
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 3: that the politics of anti Ice on the left right

1257
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 3: now are really powerful.

1258
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

1259
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Speaker 3: I just think politically for Democrats, voters do want them

1260
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 3: to have an answer that isn't just anti Trump on

1261
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Speaker 3: immigration and that.

1262
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Speaker 2: Way, I think that'll matter in twenty twenty eight. Right now,

1263
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: I think just being in the operation and I would

1264
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 2: like to see that as well, But I think right now,

1265
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 2: just being opposed to what is happening is, you know,

1266
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 2: is enough for It's enough in a Yeah, And I

1267
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Speaker 2: just pulled up ninety support for requiring bodycams, eighty six

1268
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 2: percent for detention TOI to meet basic standards, eighty five

1269
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 2: percent requiring DHS to verify someone's a non citizen before

1270
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 2: arresting them, eighty one percent for independent investigation, seventy seven

1271
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Speaker 2: percent requiring DHS to show warrants before entering private properties,

1272
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 2: seventy six percent for requiring DHS agents to identify themselves,

1273
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 2: seventy one percent for ending racial profiling, sixty seven percent

1274
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Speaker 2: for banning DHS agents from engaging in areas around schools, hospitals,

1275
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 2: courts and courts, churches, et cetera. So, you know, I

1276
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: think they feel they're on solid ground. And you know,

1277
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Speaker 2: given that, how like finger in the winds, the Hakeem

1278
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 2: Jefferies of the world are. I don't think they would

1279
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Speaker 2: be going down this path if they didn't have like

1280
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 2: ninety percent support on a variety of these measures.

1281
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I was thinking of the Senate, like

1282
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Speaker 3: I should go look and see what Dan Osborne has

1283
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Speaker 3: said about some of the stuff, like the Senate races

1284
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Speaker 3: in either red or purple states where dums have a

1285
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 3: real chance of toppling a Republican. I mean, if if

1286
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 3: Democrats want to retake the Senate with the level of

1287
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 3: unpopularity that Trump has, it's there. I mean, I think

1288
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Speaker 3: people are skeptical of it. They would have to take

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Speaker 3: like four seats.

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Speaker 2: Osbourne has been has been quite outspoken about the violations

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Speaker 2: of constitutional rights interesting you know, Second Amendment, Fourth Amendment,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. And in fact, he came equipped to our

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Speaker 2: segment we did with him with a pocket constitution. Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's awesome for him to be able to whip out

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Speaker 2: to talk about that. We actually didn't get to that,

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Speaker 2: but he was like afterwards, he was like, oh, I

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Speaker 2: didn't get to choose my podcast Constitution because you didn't

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Speaker 2: ask me enough about ice.

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Speaker 4: That's where he is.

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Speaker 3: But then I also think that would be a good

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Speaker 3: race me we show them back on, but that would

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Speaker 3: be a good race where voters want to say or

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Speaker 3: want to hear you say. But here's what I think

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Speaker 3: actually should happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he talked about he did talk to us

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Speaker 2: about comprehensive immigration reform. Soccer was prossing him a bit

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Speaker 2: on and that sort of stuff. So he's been you know,

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Speaker 2: I think he's been fairly outspoken about seeing these abuses

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Speaker 2: as unconscionable. Let's go and move on to more more

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Speaker 2: potential constitutional violations with the voting rights, with the Trump

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Speaker 2: attack on voting rights and you know, whatever they're trying

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Speaker 2: to do to mess with the midterms. We got some

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Speaker 2: new comments from Christy Noam talking about how they need

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Speaker 2: to make sure they're getting the right voters to the

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Speaker 2: polls to vote for the right people.

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Speaker 4: Let's listen to that.

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Speaker 7: And elections is another one of those critical infrastructure responsibilities

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Speaker 7: that I have as well, and I would say that

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Speaker 7: many people believe that it may be one of the

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Speaker 7: most important things that we need to make sure we

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Speaker 7: trust is reliable and that when it gets to election day,

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Speaker 7: that we've been proactive to make sure that we have

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Speaker 7: the right people voting, electing the right leaders to lead

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Speaker 7: this country through the days that we have, knowing that

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Speaker 7: people can trust.

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Speaker 2: It so the right people to vote for the right candidates.

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Speaker 2: And this is comes amid a push from Trump in

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Speaker 2: a variety of directions. Obviously, they seize the Fulton County ballots.

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Speaker 2: It's part of some stop to steal conspiracy. Tolcy Gabbard

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Speaker 2: was there for some reason. They've been suing states to

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Speaker 2: try to force them to hand over their voter less

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Speaker 2: They're trying to pass this what's it called the Save Act?

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Speaker 2: Is that what it is, and that would require very

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Speaker 2: stringent not just like a regular driver's lives. Then you'd

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01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 2: have to have a real ID or passport. They've also

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Speaker 2: closed down a bunch of passport office to make it

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Speaker 2: harder to get a passport.

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Speaker 4: If you need that.

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Speaker 2: In any case, let's go and put Trump's truths up

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Speaker 2: on the screen here, he says, the Democrats refuse to

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Speaker 2: vote for voter ID or citizenship. The reasons very simple.

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Speaker 2: They want to continue to cheat in elections. This was

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Speaker 2: not what our founders desired. I've searched the depths of

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Speaker 2: legal arguments. Oh, I'm sure he has not yet articulated

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Speaker 2: or vetted on the subject. You can just imagine him

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01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 2: in the law library Emily, late at night, researching the

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01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,879
Speaker 2: depths the depths of legal arguments, and will be presenting

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Speaker 2: an irrefutable one. In the very near future, there will

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Speaker 2: be voter id for the MITTERM elections, whether approved by

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Speaker 2: Congress or not. Also, the people of our country are

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Speaker 2: insisting on citizenship and no mail in ballots, with exceptions

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Speaker 2: for military disability, illness, or travel. Thank you for your

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01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 2: attention to this matter. So not only pushing the Save

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Speaker 2: Act pieces but also saying we're going I'm going to

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Speaker 2: unilaterally get rid of the mail in ballots, which of

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01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 2: course has been a nemesis of him since twenty twenty, etc.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I don't know what case he's going

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01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: to make here to put forward. It's pretty clear cut

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01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 2: that the states are responsible for running the elections. They're

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Speaker 2: allowed to have whatever rules, including rules around mail in ballots,

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Speaker 2: that they pass through their legislature or whatever their process is.

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Speaker 4: So we'll see here.

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Speaker 2: But This clearly comes as he is engaged in, I think,

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Speaker 2: throwing whatever he can against the wall to try to

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01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,799
Speaker 2: mess with the midterm elections, as his approval rating continues

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Speaker 2: to plumb it and he recognizes he's in trouble in

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Speaker 2: terms of, you know, how the population feels about him,

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Speaker 2: how they feel about the Republican Party, and how the

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Speaker 2: midterms are likely to go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I hate the way Trump talks about elections,

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Speaker 3: and part of that is because of what we were

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Speaker 3: discussing even with Ice, which is that I tend to

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Speaker 3: think there are some real concerns. I mean, so non

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Speaker 3: citizens vote in Washington DC elections, for example, I live

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Speaker 3: in Washington, d C. I think that's wrong. There are

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Speaker 3: other laws that allow non citizens to vote in elections

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Speaker 3: around the country. I don't think that's right, and I

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Speaker 3: think it's common sense that people should have to show

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Speaker 3: IDs everything is real ID now unfortunately, so that's stuff.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a question of federalism and the power

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Speaker 3: of the states to be sure. I don't have a

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Speaker 3: problem at all with the Save Act. I think actually

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Speaker 3: it could help boost people's trust and especially like MAGA,

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Speaker 3: people's trust in elections and in a way that's ultimately healthy.

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Speaker 3: On the other hand, to act as though this is

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Speaker 3: some sort of significant threat like that there is you

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Speaker 3: know that in the twenty twenty six midterm elections there

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Speaker 3: could be a significant threat from non citizens flooding elections

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Speaker 3: and throwing them to Democrats. That I think is irresponsible.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's partially responsible because again, you do

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Speaker 3: have non citizens who are being able to register to vote,

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Speaker 3: and so then you may have problems where people are

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Speaker 3: registered to vote and vote, not just in the local election,

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Speaker 3: the federal election. That stuff does get confusing. So I

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01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 3: think partially it's irresponsible because there's a legitimate problem. From

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Speaker 3: my perspective at least, so I hate the way that

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Speaker 3: he talks about elections. I mean, the way Ben Ben

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01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 3: SaaS put it after January sixth was that Trump had

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Speaker 3: been quote playing with fire in the way that he'd

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Speaker 3: discussed what happened that November, and I think that still

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Speaker 3: applies very much.

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Speaker 2: So the impact of the Save Act would be that

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Speaker 2: millions of people are unable to vote, and there just is.

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Speaker 3: They're able to get their ideas. I mean, would it

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Speaker 3: would be.

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Speaker 4: A hurdle, It would be a significant hurdle. It doesn't

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01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 4: mean they're able to vote, but it would be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and it's intentionally designed as a significant hurdle

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Speaker 2: to make it so that there are fewer people able

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Speaker 2: to vote.

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Speaker 3: And it's a reasonable hurdle.

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Speaker 2: Not in the case of what they're actually demanding here,

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01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 2: which is again not just like your driver's life, since

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01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 2: isn't enough. It has to be a real ID and

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01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 2: that is fairly expensive. So you also at the same

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Speaker 2: time are closing passport offices, so passport would be considered valid,

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01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:12,719
Speaker 2: but it's much harder to get a passport.

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Speaker 4: It's a huge backlog, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: So I think you know it's an intentional it's an

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Speaker 2: intentional effort to limit and restrict the number of people

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Speaker 2: who can vote. The assault on mail in balloting same thing.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's an attempt to This is known now

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01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 2: that more Democrats mail in their ballots, So guess what

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01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 2: we're going to go after a mail in balloting. This

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Speaker 2: has been a switch in the dynamics post COVID, and

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Speaker 2: to solve a problem that doesn't really exist. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I understand the theoretical case that you're making. There are

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Speaker 2: very few instances that have been identified of non citizens

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Speaker 2: who are actually able.

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Speaker 4: To cast a ballot.

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Speaker 2: So why are we de facto putting up hurdles in

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Speaker 2: the way people exercising their right to vote to solve

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01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 2: a problem that doesn't exist. And at the same time,

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Speaker 2: I also just think it's like, I just don't think

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Speaker 2: that it's even useful to really talk about what Trump

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01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,759
Speaker 2: is doing here as legitimate because at the same time

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Speaker 2: I mentioned how they're suing states to get their voter roles,

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01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 2: and all the Republican states have already sent in their

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Speaker 2: voter roles, and they're using this tool on it to

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01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 2: supposedly identify non citizens who've been who are on the

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Speaker 2: voter roles for them to purge. And this tool is

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Speaker 2: a total, incomplete disaster. So we can put C three

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Speaker 2: up on the screen. This was some reporting from the

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01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,919
Speaker 2: Texas Tribune. Federal tool to check voter citizenship keeps making mistakes.

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Speaker 2: It led to confusion in Texas. They say when County

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Speaker 2: Clerk Breonna Lenin got an email in November saying a

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Speaker 2: newly expanded federal system in flag seventy four people on

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01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 2: the country's county's voter role as potential non citizen, she

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01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 2: was taken Aback. Lenin, who had run elections in Boone County,

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Speaker 2: Missouri for seven years, had heard the tool might not

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01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,839
Speaker 2: be accurate. The flag voters registration paperwork confirmed lenin suspicion.

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01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: The form for the second personal list bore the initials

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01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 2: of a member of her staff who had helped the

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01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 2: man register at his naturalization ceremony. Later turned out more

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01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 2: than half the Boone County voters identified as non citizens

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01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 2: were actually citizens of similar situation has been playing out

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01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,799
Speaker 2: in Texas, where county clerks have likewise found numerous examples

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01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 2: of misidentified voters across the state. This is out of

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01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 2: a playbook that has been used most extensively. I think

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01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 2: in the state of Georgia, where Georgia passed a law

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Speaker 2: where any any person can challenge the voting rights of anybody.

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01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 2: And so you had a group of activists who would

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Speaker 2: challenge like thousands of people at a time, and they

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01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 2: would get de facto thrown off the voter rolls, and

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Speaker 2: you would have situations where they would go through States

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Speaker 2: would go through also and try to do this automated

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01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 2: you know, matching of Okay, let's see if this person

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01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 2: is genuinely citizen, whether they've changed addresses, etc. And some

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Speaker 2: of the names that you're talking about here are very

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Speaker 2: common names. So you know, if you've got a guy

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Speaker 2: named one Carlos, and one of them is a citizen

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01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 2: who's rightfully registered vote in Fulton County and the other

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01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 2: is not, they would kick him off the ballot and

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Speaker 2: it caused all sorts of incidents where you know, the

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Speaker 2: ballots with all of these legitimate voters perge from the rules.

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01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 2: And now this is what the Trump administration is trying

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Speaker 2: to do in states across the country. As I said before,

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Speaker 2: Republican states are going along with it. Democratic states are

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01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 2: resisting this direction. The Trump administration is suing them to

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01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 2: try to get access to their vetererals so they can

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01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: make some case, they can analyze the data and make

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01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 2: them kiss Oh my god, there's all these illegitimate voters,

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01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 2: and it's part of a larger scale attack on the

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01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 2: midterm elections. You know, some of these things are like

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01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,759
Speaker 2: within the bounds of what are ugly and at times

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01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 2: undemocratic politics, are like the gerrymandering fight, and some of

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01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 2: them are completely out of bounds, like when Steve Bannon suggests, hey,

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01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 2: let's have ice agents at the poll to intimidate people

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01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 2: so that they don't show up. Or when Trump suggests, hey,

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01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 2: we should nationalize elections, Hey, I've decided that I've come

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01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 2: up with some legal argument that would allow me unilaterally

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01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 2: to end in mail in ballots, not even through an

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01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 2: Act of Congress, but just me, myself and I through

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01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 2: an executive order. So yeah, obviously there's a lot of

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01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 2: reason why people are deeply concerned about what this is

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01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 2: going to look like for twenty twenty six and twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty going forward.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, I'm counting among them. I'm one of

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01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 3: the people that feels like, I mean, some of the

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01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 3: started in twenty sixteen with Hillary Clinton flirting with this

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01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 3: idea that the there was a Russian effort to mess

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01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 3: with voting and that some of the election had been thrown.

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01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 3: There were a lot of Democrats who were flirting with

1505
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 3: that idea at the time, even to the point of

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01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 3: saying voting machines might have been the problem, but nothing

1507
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 3: compared to what Trump did after he lost the twenty

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01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 3: twenty election, and from there it just exploded. You know,

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01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 3: Georgia is a basically there's nobody who denies that Georgia

1510
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 3: had so many people who voted in their prior area

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01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 3: of residence incorrectly that it was more than the margin

1512
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 3: which was like eleven thousand. They were like fifteen thousand

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01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 3: people who voted that and doesn't mean that their votes

1514
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 3: were not legitimate votes, right, they were legitimate votes, but

1515
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 3: they were done incorrectly. And that's the type of thing

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01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 3: that makes people say, oh, fraud would be easy to

1517
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,879
Speaker 3: do in Georgia, and so people lose trust in the system.

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01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 3: And that's where I actually honestly think there's a case

1519
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 3: for the Save Act from that perspective that you have

1520
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 3: so many people on the right who now just trust

1521
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 3: elections like it's it's almost like how Brokana talks about

1522
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 3: his billionaire tax being anti revolutionary. From my perspective, a

1523
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 3: case for save where you have, you know, if we

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01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 3: allowed everybody to vote on their phones, that would be

1525
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 3: mass enfranchisement of voting. I don't agree with that. I

1526
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 3: think voting should happen the same day, but it should

1527
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 3: be a national holiday, everybody should get it off and

1528
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 3: all that kind of thing. That's not what Trump is pushing,

1529
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 3: of course. So yeah, it's partisan.

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01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 2: Politics and the distrust doesn't just come out of nowhere.

1531
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 2: And it's not just because like, oh, things were messy

1532
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 2: in Georgia. I mean every election because it's run because

1533
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 2: it's you know, federalized, or it's it's states, yeah, states,

1534
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 2: it's not run nationally, and so you're always going to

1535
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 2: have some oh something weird happened here, the line was

1536
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 2: too long there, et cetera. It's the nature of our election.

1537
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 2: The reason that Republicans have lost trust is because Trump

1538
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 2: told them that twenty twenty was rigged and spun up

1539
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 2: an entire election conspiracy and tried to put fake electorates

1540
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 2: electors forward and you know, incited people to you know,

1541
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 2: January sixth and all of that.

1542
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 3: Well, he was platforming Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani's debinion voting.

1543
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 2: Which he continues to do. And you know, I mean

1544
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 2: that's the other piece of this is you've got Maduro

1545
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 2: sitting in prison. I no longer think that it's crazy

1546
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 2: at all to imagine they're gonna they're going to strike

1547
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 2: some deal with him where he claims, oh, yeah, I

1548
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 2: totally rigged twenty twenty.

1549
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 4: You're right, you got me, Me and the.

1550
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 2: Ghost of Hugo javas rigged it, rigged it against you

1551
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 2: and for Biden, and use that as a pretext to

1552
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 2: say the whole thing is fraudulent. It's all rigged. Them

1553
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 2: declaring some sort of a national emergency and trying to

1554
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 2: seize power. And it's an open question how much he's

1555
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,679
Speaker 2: able to get away with. But that's what he's constantly testing.

1556
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 2: What can I get away with? Can I get away

1557
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 2: with sending in the federal.

1558
01:18:58,680 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 3: Can I get away with the third term?

1559
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 4: Can yeah? Can I get away with the third term?

1560
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,719
Speaker 2: Can I get away with seizing you know, the ballots

1561
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 2: in Fulton County and spinning up this fake thing and

1562
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 2: sending in Tulci gabberd. Can I get away with with

1563
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 2: having ice go to the polls and intimidate people. He's

1564
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 2: constantly pressing like where is the where's the limit?

1565
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 4: Where is the limit? Where's the limit?

1566
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 2: And then he'll have to he'll get checked like he

1567
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 2: did in Minneapolis and have to pull back a little bit,

1568
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 2: But then it'll, you know, he'll just continue pushing forward.

1569
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 2: And this term he only has people around him who

1570
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 2: are in support of those most maximalist aims or who

1571
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 2: are actively like Steven Miller in favor of the most

1572
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 2: maximalist approach to these things. I found it very chilling

1573
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 2: when he told The New York Times, I regret not

1574
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 2: sending the National Guard in to seize the ballot boxes

1575
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, but I don't know if they'd be

1576
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 2: up to it. My guess is that he thinks that

1577
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 2: ICE would be up to you know, something like that.

1578
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 2: And that's why you know he's They've got so much funding, so.

1579
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 3: They have DHS secretary talking about it.

1580
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 4: That's why the DHS secretary is talking about it exactly right.

1581
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think that's true. Let's put this pro

1582
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:02,839
Speaker 3: public cover up on the screen. Speaking of Georgia, headline

1583
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 3: here is the conservative researcher being linked to the FBI

1584
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 3: seizure of election records in Georgia. Their lead is a

1585
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 3: conservative researcher whose theories have often been rejected by Georgia

1586
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 3: election overseers and who once pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor

1587
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 3: charge of voyeurism, is emerging as a central figure in

1588
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 3: the investigation that culminated in the FBI's shocking seizure of

1589
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 3: twenty twenty election records from Fulton County Georgia in late

1590
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 3: January that Theah Crystal was just referencing with Tulsa Gabbard.

1591
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 2: Yes, so this is a total crank named Kevin Monkla.

1592
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 2: He's a lesser known crank than like Sidney Powell or

1593
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 2: Mike Lindell. Yeah, I didn't even know his name, some

1594
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 2: of the well known cranks from twenty twenty. This is

1595
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 2: a lesser known crank who I think is affiliated with that,

1596
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,759
Speaker 2: you know, Stop the Scale affiliated organization, the Election Integrity Network,

1597
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 2: which has been very influential in terms of personnel placements

1598
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 2: within the Trump administration. And so not only are they

1599
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 2: relying this guy whose theories are of course completely discredited. Oh,

1600
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,520
Speaker 2: by the way, he was found guilty of his voyeurism

1601
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: charge for putting cameras in his own bathroom to spy

1602
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 2: on the HouseGuests that were staying with him, including in

1603
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 2: his house in his own bathroom, including two young children.

1604
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 2: So this is the quality of the people that they

1605
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 2: are relying on here for some of their theories.

1606
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 3: Man, like you said, cringe or not cringe fringe cranks

1607
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 3: that combined them into cringe cranky fringe people. Yeah, I

1608
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 3: guess you could call it cringe