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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name

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Speaker 1: is they call me Ben. We are joined with our

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Speaker 1: super producer Paul Decants. Most importantly, you are you. You

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Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know. Pardon that momentary pause. I was thinking

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Speaker 1: to myself, should be open by saying good day, But

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Speaker 1: that's that's kind of low brow for us. You aren't

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Speaker 1: taken aback by my odd introduction of myself. I was not.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to know more about what the new me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just a little more robotic. Okay, I've been assimilated

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Speaker 1: by the borg. Oh I knew it. I could tell

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Speaker 1: you have all this machinery kind of protruding from your cranium. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the big red one eye. Ben. You you did

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Speaker 1: a masterful thing just then. You didn't open by saying

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Speaker 1: good day, but you also kind of did you know.

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Speaker 1: It's like when you add just saying at the end

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Speaker 1: eating it too. There we go. Well done. This micro

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Speaker 1: circuitry is doing wonders. Yeah, firing on all micro cylinders. Right,

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Speaker 1: So we are going, uh, we're going to travel a

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Speaker 1: of you have written to us and said, well, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the all the stuff you guys do on the show,

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Speaker 1: We're looking at the U s sides of things. And

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Speaker 1: earlier when we were talking off air, uh, Matt, you

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Speaker 1: and Nol were telling me a little bit about some

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Speaker 1: um that guys were very excited about was the concept

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Speaker 1: of cryptids, but not just all the cryptids we've covered

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Speaker 1: so far in the past, cryptids down under, cryptids of Australia. Right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We had someone named leaf Alan creed right into us

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Speaker 1: us to cover that and a couple of other things, uh,

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Speaker 1: the what the bunyip? And lots of things like that.

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Speaker 1: Interesting conflation too, as we'll find out. So, yes, we

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Speaker 1: are diving into the strange and fascinating world of cryptids.

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Speaker 1: When we started this show years and years and years

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Speaker 1: more often than not we would find a grain of

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Speaker 1: truth in these stories. And crypto zoology candidly is one

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Speaker 1: the night, like in nighttime. Yeah, or like some kind

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Speaker 1: of misinterpretation of a fossil. Yeah, good call, good call. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's why we used to think dragons were real for

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Speaker 1: so long? Wait? Or were we wrong? You know? Sure? Hope? So, man,

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Speaker 1: I need to believe in something. I wish the Jurassic Park,

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Speaker 1: Dragon Park, Dragon Park? And how does that not happened? Yet?

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Speaker 1: They probably what happened all the Dragon movies that's true.

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Speaker 1: insides of animals and humans, and also how they tell stories.

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Speaker 1: When they tell stories, the journey is the most important part,

424
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Speaker 1: so they always show the stops. So this is my journey.

425
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: I flew there, this is the town, the village, this

426
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: is I then went on land to Sydney. Yeah, and

427
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: this is This means journey's end. It's like a cool

428
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Speaker 1: circle things. Would you be okay with us posting some

429
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: photos of the didre do uh and some of the

430
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: other stuff you have brought on our facebook page? Yeah? Absolutely,

431
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: that would be more helpful than me kind of vaguely

432
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. No, I think it's great. Watch rewind and

433
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: watch along. Annie. You have also brought a boomerang. I

434
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: have auto boomerang. Um. This was more just for fun.

435
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: They are kind of dangerous. They I always assumed they

436
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: were just silly, to be honest, but they're used for

437
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: hunting UM and they are seen as weapons and you

438
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: can't have them on planes and you carry on really yeah?

439
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: Hold yeah, how would you use a playing We did

440
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: have our training today about like office awareness. Yeah. I

441
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: was just wondering if I get disarm someone. We didn't.

442
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: We didn't get taught how to disarm someone, didn't. That's

443
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: gonna come back, come back. Well, Annie, thank you so

444
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: much for taking the time to explain the dream time.

445
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: It's a fascinating concept and it's something that I think

446
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: the three of us heard about but hadn't done much

447
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: investigation into beforehand. Uh So hopefully we can talk to

448
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: you into coming back in the future as a guest

449
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: on a full episode to have more adventures. What do

450
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: you think, guys? Please? Yeah? I love it? All right,

451
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: Well we're I guess we're gonna sit here and watch

452
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: you did you do through portal? I'm ready? Let's see.

453
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: It's weird because there's a door in the studio. I mean, whatever,

454
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: that's true. That's fascinating stuff. Yeah, and you can catch

455
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: any right now. On Savor, it's a podcast about food

456
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: and why we like the things we like. It's got

457
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: a lot of science and history to it. It's super cool.

458
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: She's also on stuff Mom Never told You. Yes, so

459
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: do check it out, friend of the show. We're also

460
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: we're also big fans of food stuff, stuff Mom Never

461
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: Told You and Anning Reese in general. So let's let's

462
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: look at some of the cryptids that occur in Australia

463
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: and we can we can stop along the way if

464
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: we want to see what types of cryptos these are,

465
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: what categories that would fall in. By far, the most

466
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: famous the breakout single the Real Banger off the Cryptozoology

467
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: Mixtape of Australia is something called the Bunyip. The bun Yip,

468
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: it is a strange look thing. If you've ever seen

469
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: a picture of it online, I would encourage you to

470
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: search for images of it. Uh. It's funky. M It's

471
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: kind of like a snake, kind of like a plant,

472
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: kind of like an aquatic creature. When I just read

473
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: the descriptions in the text years ago, my first question was,

474
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: is this a platypus? Are you just describing a platypus?

475
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: Because it sounds like they just threw all the leftover

476
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: stuff in there, you know. But it's interesting to bring

477
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: up the the idea of the appearance, right. The only

478
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: really consistent stuff about the bun. Yet which does is

479
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: mentioned in Dreamtime is that it is a creature that

480
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: lives in or near bodies of water like creeks, pools, swamps.

481
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: And it's so ubiquitous that there are nine regional variations

482
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: of this that are presented and described differently in different

483
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: traditions and different threads of folklore. And at this point

484
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: there's no real consensus about what this thing looks like.

485
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: We it has some common characteristics, yes, indeed there are,

486
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: and these include things like tusks, flippers. Always wanted a

487
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: flipper only it's sort of like a either either you

488
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: get feet or you get a flipper. Yeah, wait, you

489
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: really want to classics? Oh that's true. I guess I'm

490
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: thinking of like a fin. It could be cool. Well, no,

491
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: what does a mermaid have? Is that a flipper or

492
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: a fin? Now that is a question for the ages,

493
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: and that really a tail? Okay, alright, Ben, also speaking

494
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: of which a horse like tail um and and of

495
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: course you know, possibly a mermaid like tail um. And

496
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: then there's also this belief that they come out at

497
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: night to feast on animals and of course young children,

498
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, because they're savory and delicious. Weakest in the

499
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: herd and women. Yeah and here, Well, we'll get into

500
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: it a little later. Let's let's keep going on with it.

501
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: But I have some my ideas of about this creature

502
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: um with regards to storytelling and safeguarding of the young

503
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: in a but let's let's keep going. So. They also

504
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: have a characteristic noise that they are notorious for making

505
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: when they approach. I just found it described as a

506
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: loud bellow. Yeah. Yeah, and it can be heard from

507
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: like miles away, from very very far away. You'll always

508
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: know the bunyip yell. When you hear it for the

509
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: first time, you're like, oh, that was a bunyip. Ah

510
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: the yellow the bunyap. Come. Well, I mean I like that.

511
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: That's a good catchphrase for a T shirt. That really

512
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: is like his one string, Ah the yellow the bunny up. Okay,

513
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: t public, here's looking at you. Hopefully hopefully you're listening,

514
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: you guys, look at it. You. But I think we

515
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: have to fill out a form or something, all right

516
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: or no, you're right, we have to fill out a form.

517
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: We have to ask nicely. But let us know if

518
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: you think that's a good idea for a T shirt.

519
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: But that's it sounds like the Sasquatch yells and some

520
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: of the communications that we've heard about where you it's

521
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: tough to nail down exactly what it sounds like, but

522
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: if you hear it, you'll know that that's what it is. Um.

523
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: Some some recordings have been made over the years of

524
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: supposed Sasquatch sounds. UM, And I wonder I haven't dug

525
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: too deep into the bunyip yell or the shriek or

526
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: whatever you might call it, but I haven't found a

527
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: good recording of something like that says that's what it

528
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: is that I would at least say, hey, let's play

529
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: that right now. Yeah, yeah, I I see what you mean.

530
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: And even with even with very well established or well

531
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: known cryptids such as big Foot or Sasquatch, it's still

532
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: it's such an audio rorschach test, you know what I mean,

533
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: Really will hear things that they want to hear unfortunately,

534
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, But that's the that's the thing with a bunyip,

535
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be a very distinctive characteristic fellow. We

536
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: have not found a definitive recording of that. We did

537
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: find the earliest published reference to the bunny upper one

538
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: of them, which was a pamphlet published in eighteen twelve

539
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: by a guy named James Ives, and he refers to

540
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: it as a black seal like creature that has a

541
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: terrifying voice. I have chills. Chills, knoll, I have chills.

542
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: It's probably like that, but like a lot more sinister.

543
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a sinister it's like an arch

544
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: that's that's to Scooby dooish. That is, it has to

545
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: be lower like a like a like more of a

546
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: death metal seal. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, yeah, like

547
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: a death like the seal has corpse paint on. That's

548
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: that that would that would spook me. We've solved it, folks.

549
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: You heard it here first the bunyup. So this this

550
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: black seal like creature, right, that's that's one of the

551
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: that's one of the descriptions. Other accounts, also in the

552
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, called it a dog like amphibious animal or

553
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: a calf size, shaggy haired or main quadruped sometimes seen

554
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: on land, but mostly amphibious. So what what does that mean?

555
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: You know, originally in the Aboriginal dream time, which you know,

556
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: early anthropologists created this word to describe that worldview. But

557
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: we'll go with it. In the dreamtime, bunyips were very

558
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: nasty creatures. They were punishing spirits. They were like forces

559
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: of uh righteous punishment that you did not want to

560
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: run into. But now they're they're pretty toned down. Yeah,

561
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: you can find them in commercials now and they're like

562
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: kids commercials like as in it, look at this thing.

563
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: It's a bunny. It's fine, it's silly, it's uh, it's

564
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: gonna bring your cereal to you. I honestly don't know

565
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: if it's been using this series to be fair bunny

566
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: it's it'. It sounds a lot like bunny to me,

567
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: so it makes me think of something cute and malleable.

568
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like a scary word to me either.

569
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: But there's a long list of supposed sightings of these creatures,

570
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: and some of the most recent ones were during the

571
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: midst of the depression, during the nineteen thirties. I wonder

572
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: what correlation there is there. I wonder why, Yeah, I

573
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: wonder why as well. M It was the thirties, the

574
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: economic depression that that rack to the world did drive

575
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people to pursue alternative viewpoints. I mean

576
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: economic and cultural and spiritual that they ordinarily wouldn't have done. Yeah,

577
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: and probably alternative like living like places to live and

578
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: trying to save money and live off the land in

579
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: different ways. And maybe there's something there. Well, what about

580
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: what I mean, if they were something, would they be

581
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: a relic population of an animal that we thought went

582
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: extinct before? There's that possibility. What is this thing called

583
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: the die protodon? De protodon? The de protodon? Oh, yes,

584
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: the the old de protodon. This is a fascinating looking creature.

585
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: It's this I don't know, it looks kind of like

586
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: a bear, but if you mixed like the head of

587
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: a hippo or something in with it or kind of

588
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: melded that into the creature walks on all fours and

589
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: it's a marsupial and it's pretty dang huge. Yeah. And

590
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: some Aboriginal tribes have identified bones of this creature, fossils

591
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: of it as bunyant bones, so that might be the

592
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: grain of truth there. Well. And you know what, This

593
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: Deprotodon went extinct roughly forty six thousand years ago, so

594
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: after humans had crossed over into Australia, right, um, so

595
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: they would have coexisted with this thing for thousands of years.

596
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the name that was given at the time

597
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: to these things. So is it then? Is it then

598
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: a relic from oral history perhaps right, some kind of

599
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: memory carried over. You could say the same thing about

600
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: another candidate for the bunyip tail, which is the polar

601
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: chest Days, which means ancient leaper or dancer. And this

602
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: thing when extinct eleven thousand years ago, so it has

603
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: even more of an overlap with human settlements, no occupation.

604
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: It looks crazy. It's like a tape air looking creature

605
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: about the size of a horse. Yeah, that's like again,

606
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: if you're going if you look at the de Prodoton,

607
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna stand over six and a half feet tall generally,

608
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: so taller than you. And that's walking on all fours.

609
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: And I mean that it would be It would be

610
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: pretty pretty creepy. And I bet it could make a

611
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: fellow that you would here for a long way away,

612
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: as well as what was the other one, oh, the

613
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: parlo chests. Yeah, I bet, I bet both of those

614
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: could make a sound that you would notice. So here's

615
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: the question, then, is this real? Is there a grain

616
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: of truth to it? The thing is there's a solid

617
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: core of reasonably good anatomically consistent accounts of the bunyip.

618
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: Despite those regional variations, the most common one is a

619
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: dark furred dog headed quote seal dog. So is it

620
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: a Is it a seal that swam out of place

621
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: and somehow got to a river or a swamp swamp

622
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: or something, or maybe a small population of them that

623
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: started living in existing in a different environment than they

624
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: normally would over the course of you know, a couple

625
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: of thousand years, right, Maybe they found a place that

626
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: didn't have some of the natural privations they had have

627
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: to combat, so maybe the living was easy. I don't know,

628
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: it's just that keep going back to the bellow like no,

629
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: like you did with the seal sounds, that seems like

630
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: that would be loud enough, you know, Yeah, I mean

631
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: it's a bark. Yeah, they're inherently that they carrying, right.

632
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: So that's that's our case on the bunyip. Let us know,

633
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: if you listen to your opinion of it. Do you

634
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: think it's just folklore? Do you think it's an animal

635
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: that went extinct at some time but maybe not as

636
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: long ago as we think. Um, you do want to

637
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: do a lighter cryptod well, but yes, But first I

638
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: want to talk about what we were discussing at the

639
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: very top of of talking about the bunyips, that idea

640
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: that they will hunt usually or at least in the

641
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: stories that are told about them, they'll hunt children, they'll

642
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: hunt women, to keep you away from bodies of water

643
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: or you know, the existing bodies of water. And my

644
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: thought is, perhaps it's an oral tradition to try and

645
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: safeguard the the young of of a community, and perhaps

646
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: um safeguard them from not only bodies of water, which

647
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: can be very dangerous, and there can be animals close

648
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: to water or in water that are you know, would

649
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: would probably be carnivorous or could be carnivorous and attack

650
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: a small child. Yeah, a boogeyman story to safeguard I

651
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: don't know that. In my mind, that makes a whole

652
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: lot of sense. I can see that. I can see that.

653
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: And also kind of the extrapolation from this is using

654
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: that the dream time, the oral tradition of the dream time,

655
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: because a lot of UM in many cases stories from

656
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: the dream time are used as kind of an allegory

657
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: to teach a lesson or to have something that you

658
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: need to learn. So there's like one place that you

659
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: could go to or one set of stories you could

660
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: tell that would give a person living in your community

661
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: everything they would need to know to survive. There a

662
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: lot of just that's part of folklore and that's part

663
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: of history learning those things. I just gotta put that

664
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: out there. Absolutely. Would you, I mean, would you say,

665
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: coming back to the boogeyman thing, would you say that

666
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: the next animal or a list is also a boogy

667
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: bad the drop bear, the drop bear, drop bears? No,

668
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: what you know about them? Well, it's a delicious gummy

669
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: treat with a marshmallowed tummy. Oh how much th hc

670
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: per um per milligram? Isn't there? Um? Okay, it takes

671
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: you right to the dream time? Right? No, but seriously,

672
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: it's like a terrifying carnivorous marsupial that drops down upon

673
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: you from the trees. At least legend would have it. Yes, Yes,

674
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: it's got giant fangs, right, yeah, it's got giant jagged fangs, claws,

675
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure, claws, and it it uses these fangs and

676
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: claws to rip chunks of flesh from the neck, head,

677
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: and back of unsuspecting tourists. Because like if it comes

678
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: down on you and gets you on the back. It

679
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: probably immediately jaws right down on the back of your neck,

680
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: right right, gets artery or vein to pay on the

681
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: side of the neck, maybe paralyzes you. That's a drop bear, folks.

682
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: Luckily it's taken about as seriously as the idea of

683
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: a jackal loope, which do people if you if you're

684
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: not familiar with jackalope, google it. It's this weird American

685
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: in joke. Isn't it just really a taxidermy joke? Yeah,

686
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's a taxidermy joke, is very American.

687
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: I feel like nobody really believed in the jackalope, but

688
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: maybe maybe they did, just so anyone who doesn't know

689
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: it's it's a jack rabbit or a larger rabbit and

690
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: or a hair and it's got antlers, right, that's the

691
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: whole point of it. Yeah, there you go, jackalope. So

692
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: it's it's been uh acquiring to folklore. That belief has

693
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: been around since colonial days, but the belief in the

694
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 1: drop bear is a little bit more recent. We don't

695
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: know exactly when it occurred, but it's it's like an

696
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: in joke for Australians. Yeah, it's fun. You tell the tourists, hey,

697
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: watch out for drop bass. Yeah right right, Well but

698
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: again and there's a there's this delightful commercial that you

699
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: can find on YouTube right now. It's for this company

700
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: called Bundaberg or Bundy rum uh and Cola. That's a

701
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: whole thing. It's at least one of their products, and

702
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: it features this drop bear where there's a group of

703
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: these camping blokes I'm gonna call them blokes in this instance, Um,

704
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: they're accompanied by a polar bear who's just hanging out

705
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: by the trunk of their car, the boot or whatever

706
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: you call it. There, uh and there. The whole point

707
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: is they're trying to convince this separate group of Sheila's

708
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: in this case, see what we're doing here. Um. Yeah,

709
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: they're trying to convince the ladies to join them in

710
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: camp with them, because they're like, oh, you guys are

711
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: camping over there, we're camping over here, we should get together. Well,

712
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: the polar bear understands what's happening here, So the polar

713
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: bear sneakily climbs up to this tree that's hanging over

714
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: the ladies tent right right, and then the lads. They

715
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: go to the Sheila's and they're like, hey, you gotta

716
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: be careful them drop bears. We got drop bears around here,

717
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: and they're like drop bears? What are those? And then

718
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: the polar bear drops down onto the tent and they scream,

719
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: and then they all camped together and they drink. I

720
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: guess the bear doesn't like dismember them, and then drinks

721
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: mumming coke. No. No, the bear falls on the tent

722
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: and then gives him a nice little like winking like

723
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: why why is the bear want to help out these blokes?

724
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: I don't understand that. The motivation there. He is certainly

725
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: in with that group, so he's either, uh, he's one

726
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: of the gangs. His motivation is to maintain that group

727
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: of friends. So he's an anthropomorphic pervy bear. He's a

728
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: polar bear, and he's also on the bunderberg Rum. He's

729
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: like part of their logo. Oka. He's like they're two

730
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: can sam oh I get it? Or he's like there

731
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: coke polar bear. I guess I don't like it. Well,

732
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: it's it is, it is, but hey, I don't know.

733
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: It's like high jinks. It wasn't aiding a crime. Right, Well,

734
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: well we've only seen a snippet of this bear's life. Yeah,

735
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: and we we only know how the nights started. That

736
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: is also true. And while we're overthinking animal commercials, uh,

737
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: you guys know about panda cheese, right, I'm sure when

738
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: ad nausea and panda cheese, what the hell is that? Oh? Okay,

739
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: so we're gonna have to hang out for a second

740
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: after we record and will post this. And here's where

741
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: it gets crazy when this episode comes out. There's an

742
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: Egyptian cheese company named Panda and they put out a

743
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: number of years ago a series of advertisements about this

744
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: evil panda that would appear if you turned down Panda cheese,

745
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: it would appear and ruin your life. What's an increasingly

746
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: dark and sinister ways. Okay, there's a YouTube video called

747
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: top seven Panda Cheese commercials. We don't have time to

748
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: do it now, but he's doing a slow clap in

749
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: this one, but they're worth it. There were is a

750
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: creature pure evil. So I would take the Bundy rum

751
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: guy over this one. But you know what we should

752
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: also take at this point a break. Yes, yeah, you

753
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: just need to set them up and I knock them

754
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: down there and we're back. So we talked about the bunny,

755
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: if we explored the drought bear just for fun. Now

756
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: it's time to dive into this story of what I

757
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: would call the most likely to be real cryptid here

758
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: in this case, and that is the Thila scene or

759
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: Tasmanian tiger, one of the most fascinating alleged cryptids in

760
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: the region. Also known as the Tasmanian tiger um, this

761
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: creature technically went extinct in Tasmanian the nineteen thirties with

762
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: the last Thila scene, which was a male named Benjamin.

763
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like your name. They have a weird

764
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: they have they have a weird story about Benjamin. Well,

765
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: let's get to it. So Benjamin died in a zoo

766
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: in ninety six, and for years and years after there

767
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: was this controversy because they didn't know the gender of

768
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: the animal. So there were some people who went back

769
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: and obsessively watched video this one short clip of the

770
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: animal walking frame by frame by frame, enhancing the crap

771
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: out of it until they could see one testicle. So

772
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: a lot of science went into that. Wouldn't you just

773
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: couldn't they have just said, oh, its name is Benjamin.

774
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, one would think obviously, so last one

775
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: dies in nineteen thirty six. As you were saying, no, right,

776
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: it's a fascinating looking creature, it really is. Yeah, and

777
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: over there it's it's true. And over the years there

778
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: have been numerous residents of Tasmania have claimed to see

779
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: uh encounter even this carnivorous marsupial. So it's a lot

780
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: like the drop bear in that respect. Um. So the

781
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: Tasmanian tiger can grow to six ft long if you

782
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: count the tail and um. Folks like Andrew Orchard who

783
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: have investigated this cryptid claim to have seen the creature

784
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: multiple times. And often people hunt these um much with

785
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: the same dedication that we attached to bigfoot hunters here

786
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: in the United States. So maybe we could interview uh

787
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: devil hunter. Also, that sounds really cool, Yeah, the devil hunter. Well,

788
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: it looks it's a fascinating looking animal. It looks kind

789
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: of like the head of a canine almost in a way. Um,

790
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: but then its tail is very rodent or marsupial like,

791
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: but again it's large, and then its body has the

792
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: stripes of gosh, I don't even know. Almost some African

793
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: animals that you can find just to have the stripes

794
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,959
Speaker 1: of this kind Almo not tiger stripes, but they're very

795
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: their lines, they're not like some kind of jagged shape

796
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: or any kind of they're not even really swooping or anything.

797
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: And they start on the upper back and then they

798
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: expand as they go down towards the haunches. It's a

799
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: very very strange placement. It looks like somebody customized the

800
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: creature in a video game of some sort. So it

801
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: was it was common in Australia for some time as well,

802
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: but it went extinct in Australia first and then later

803
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: extinct in Tasmania at least officially. And as as you

804
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: pointed out, role there are a ton of people in

805
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: Tasmania who are certain they have seen this thing, you know.

806
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: And the Australia Rare Fund of Research Association has almost

807
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: four thousand reports of Tasmanian tigers in Australia since ninety six,

808
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: like observations or sightings of some sort. Right, And if

809
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: you look at the silhouette or the profile of the thing,

810
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: it looks different enough from a dog or dingo, even

811
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: because that tail sticks straight out like like a kangaroo tail. Absolutely,

812
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: if you saw it at night, I can see how

813
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: you would mix this up with a few things, with

814
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: the exception of the tail, if you're like seeing it

815
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: with a flashlight night or headlights or something. You know.

816
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: The most popular, uh, I guess misidentified animal we have

817
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: here in Atlanta now? Is a coyote? You yet I have?

818
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, me too, and some foxes. I've got them

819
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: mixed up initially. Really yeah. I saw in a neighborhood

820
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: outside of Atlanta, fears Back. I saw a lost dog

821
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: poster and someone's like, have you lost your dog? I've

822
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: been seeing this one around. I haven't caught him. He's

823
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: kind of shy. It's totally a coyote. Yeah, kilch and cats.

824
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: But um, but look, people who think that the Tasmanian

825
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: tiger survives, I think that it survives most likely in

826
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: a remote part of Tasman you know, the island off

827
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: of Australia, or in a very remote part of the

828
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: Australian not quite the outback the bush. Like you said, no,

829
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm blissy, don't let the game boy machine head. Did

830
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: you know he played the bad one of the bad

831
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: guys in Constantine? Yes, he did, and he was fantastic

832
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: at it. Very wasn't anything else. Um, there are the Australian, British,

833
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: British and take the trip. Damn. It would have been

834
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: a good a good transition, not a transition, at least

835
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: a better non sequitor. Well uh speaking of fantastic segways, Yeah,

836
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: sequitors and segways which is another name of a different

837
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: podcast will probably do one day. What about large cats?

838
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: This is when it gets me. Every place that we

839
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: have ever investigated in terms of cryptozoology, they always have

840
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: at least a few large cats. Like every state in

841
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: the US has its own alleged cryptid large cat. Even

842
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: states that have mountain lions say they have a large

843
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: cryptic cat. But it's different. Yeah, it's different from mountain lion. However,

844
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: mountain lions are terrifying. If you've ever seen one in

845
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: the wild or maybe on your property, uh be where

846
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: that's a mountain lion, it will take your dog and

847
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: or maybe you. Yeah they're not they didn't come to

848
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: play with you. But it feels like the reports of

849
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: large cats in Australia have a little bit more credibility. Yeah,

850
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: there's one, I guess the most famous sighting is the

851
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: Gippsland phantom cat. It's been spotted all over the place,

852
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: repeatedly in the Grampians. Grampians, I don't know how to

853
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: say that correctly, Australians. I'm sorry, uh it since the

854
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies. Are Grampians like geriatric champions, Yes, just like that.

855
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: It's a it's a region or a little an area,

856
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: and experts and skeptics believe these are maybe perhaps the

857
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: feral descendants of just you know, plain old house cats,

858
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: but maybe a little bigger, maybe a little more feral. Yeah.

859
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: So this National Park is is huge. It's sixty six

860
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: square miles and it's a nature reserve, so it's taking

861
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: a lot of the boxes for us. It's not heavily populated,

862
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: and it's remote. There you go. Maybe it's a different

863
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: species that we just haven't cataloged yet. And where it's

864
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: located plays a role in its credibility too, because there's

865
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: this long standing theory or somewhat of an urban I

866
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: don't want to call it a myth, but there's a tail.

867
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: There's a story. At least it says when US soldiers

868
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: were stationed in Victorian World War two, they had a

869
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: pair of pumas that were mascots, and after the war,

870
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: when they were going back home to the States, they

871
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: release these cats into the wild. Pumas, pumas. You gonna say,

872
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: which is the same. It's just a cougar, A cougar, Yeah,

873
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: but it looks I mean, it's just a large it's

874
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: a large cat. It's another word for mountain lion. Two

875
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: to three feet in height. So maybe not as intimidating

876
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: as a gigantic wombat, but it is carnivorous. It can

877
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: run fifty miles per hour, and if you piss it off,

878
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: it will it will attack you. Right, most animals in

879
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: the wild, It's pretty much true everywhere, if they have

880
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 1: the option to avoid a human versus confronting them, the

881
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: majority of animals would rather avoid a human being, right, Yeah,

882
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: the majority of human beings would rather avoid human beings.

883
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: It's true. That's true. Um In in Victoria, however, these

884
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: reports of large and identified cats were taken very seriously,

885
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: so much so that the state government investigated the sightings

886
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: and they released a report that said there was no

887
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: evidence to back these concerns. Don't ask us how much

888
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: it costs to do this. Investigation, which became another sticking

889
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: point for the local government. But the stories continued, and

890
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: they continued today in eighteen and there was um. There

891
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,479
Speaker 1: was at least one case where somebody caught an unidentified cat. Yeah.

892
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: This was a fellow by the name of Kurt Angle.

893
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: He shot a that said an identified cat which had

894
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: a twenty six inch tail. It's huge, And tests on

895
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: the cat showed that it was at least partially a

896
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: common domestic cat. Yes, they had a mitochondrial DNA test,

897
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: which means they can only trace the matrilineal side in

898
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: the mother's side of it. So the official conclusion was,

899
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: like you said, partially regular common cat, Yeah, but the

900
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: other parts are just monster. Doesn't twenty six inches seem

901
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: cartoonishly long for your tail? It really does. Why would

902
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: you ever need that from an evolutionary perspective unless you're

903
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: like hanging from it or I don't know, getting objects

904
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: out of the water with it. Seems like it'd be

905
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: a liability. Maybe you can go fishing with it. Maybe

906
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 1: I bet you could deep sea fishing. Well, unfortunately, don't

907
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: know because he discarded the body was dumb. Thanks Kurt Angle.

908
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 1: One point six meters long although he says two meters

909
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: you can see a picture of um of the cat

910
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: hanging up where he caught it. But destroying the body

911
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: really hurt his credibility, you know what I mean. But

912
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: then there's other there are other video clips you can find,

913
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: and there's a wealth of stuff out there. The problem

914
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: is that people are skeptical about this stuff, will say

915
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: it's inconclusive. They're also rumors that there are large essentially

916
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: komodo dragons wandering the outback. Yeah, I can see that.

917
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: We didn't dig too deep by that. That's just one

918
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: of those where I think I could also see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

919
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: but you know, you think there'd be more than just

920
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: a few sightings if there was a large enough population

921
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: of them out there, But who knows, maybe they're that isolated. Well,

922
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: but the best one, my favorite one. Yeah, yeah, what

923
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: is it anything walking around on two legs up in

924
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: this piece? I'm so glad you asked, Matt. Yes, there

925
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: are not one, but at least two types of big

926
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: Foot esque creatures in the world of Australian cryptozoology. The

927
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: first is the moon how of New Zealand. According to reports,

928
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: they're about the size of a normal person, normal guy,

929
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: but they have any blank face, long shaggy hair, and

930
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: really long fingers with sharp fingernails or claws. I don't

931
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: like that. Those with you until you get to the

932
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: long and started acting it out. Yeah, you crossed the

933
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 1: table towards you. They're thought to be responsible for two

934
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: deaths in two a prospector and a woman who was

935
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: found nearby. She'd been abducted from her home. Someone had

936
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: broken her neck. The prospector had been partially eaten. No

937
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: one knows what happened. Yeah did they Well, yeah, it

938
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: just makes you wonder if they found, you know, any

939
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: long scratches or strange creepy things. But it's contagious. Now

940
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: you're acting I know, and I'm not liking me doing

941
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: it even And then there's the Yahwi, which probably has

942
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: one of the more fun names cryptids. Oh yeah, I

943
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: mean this is this is your big foot. This is

944
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: your Australian bigfoot. Essentially, it lives deep within the wilderness.

945
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: It avoids contact with humans. You might be able to

946
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: hear uh a yahwe if you know, if you're walking

947
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: around the woods, you're maybe you're camping or something. You're

948
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: just exploring or hiking where you're on the like the

949
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: outskirts of the woods. Yeah, yeah, He's Alley, isn't that

950
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: a That's wow, He's Alley. It's a Pavement album. Ah.

951
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, all, there might be some confusion

952
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: here because within the oral storytelling over the years them

953
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: and within the Aboriginal communities, the term yawi is also

954
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:34,439
Speaker 1: a regional term, uh for the bunyip creature. So there's

955
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: some conflation and confusion there exactly. So maybe it just

956
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: wanted the same or at least originally was, and then

957
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: it just became its own separate set of stories. Yeah. Well,

958
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: if I have become persuaded in this episode about one

959
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: thing and one thing only, it's the Pavement should do

960
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: an album that is entirely about the awe and it's

961
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: called Yahwe's Ali. Well, first we got to get him

962
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: back together. Okay. Well, look, everything it's a journey of

963
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: of a thousand miles starts with a single step. So

964
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: members of Pavement forward, members of Pavement, if you're listening

965
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: right to us, do this for us. Please. Do you

966
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: know a member of Pavement will send them this podcast,

967
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: make them listen to the entire thing against their will.

968
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: Don't send them just the end and then hopefully they'll

969
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: they'll hear this, well it does. You know. We do

970
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: have to wrap up today. But we've explored, at least

971
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: on a cursory level, some of the most popular and

972
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: strangest cryptids in Australia. But there's much more to this

973
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: story because Australia has its own rich history of these sightings,

974
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: and although many of them share tropes and themes with

975
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: stories and other areas of the world, these are very different.

976
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: Found one big twist to the to the entire cryptid

977
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: story here, and it's that of all the cryptids in Australia,

978
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: at least once we encounter while working on the show,

979
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: large cats and the Tasmanian tiger are the most likely

980
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: to be quote unquote real right, rather than purposeful hoaxes

981
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: or being misidentified. But the big twist is we might

982
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: find Tasmanian tigers sooner than we think, and we might

983
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: not do it by searching the remote reaches of Australia

984
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: and Tasmania. In the past few years, scientists have successfully

985
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: drafted the DNA sequence of the Thighla scene. This means

986
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: that in the future we not all of us listening. Maybe,

987
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: but our species may be able to create our own hybrids,

988
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: just like the work on the wooly mammoth. We may

989
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: be able to bring the Tasmanian tiger back from the grave.

990
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: The Philacene Park will be born. We will get the

991
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: the blood from ancient mosquitoes trapped in amber and the

992
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: great Outback. Oh wait what, I don't even know what

993
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: you'd find in the outback where you would get DNA

994
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe maybe it will be huge. Australian mosquito

995
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: was unbeknownst to demand before this time, and we'll we'll

996
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: take that DNA and we'll book the whomever. The Jeff

997
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: Goldbloom of Australia, D Jerry and Malcolm will be there

998
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,920
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1002
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1003
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