1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: wortled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt and 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: I am Ben. We're here with our super producer Null. 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: Put your foot down, Brown, that's right, he's just the 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: one glass pain away. Or maybe it's two. I think 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: it's double pained. Ye, so dude, Yes, sir, We're in 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 1: this new office. It's pretty swank, pretty sweet. I'm loving it. 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: I don't know about you. I think you're enjoying yourself here, right. 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's a nice place, you know. 12 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: One of the things that is here is a fairly 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: open break room area that is between where you guys 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: sit and where when I say you guys, I mean writers, editors, podcasters, 15 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: you guys are all over there, and then all of 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: the video team is back here in this kind of 17 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: cordoned off dark room area. Why don't you just say 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: you people to people are over there and in between us? 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 1: Is this no man's land with a giant question mark 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: table and all of the coffee and and sometimes I 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: don't know if this happens to you. But when I'm 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: over in that area, I will over here something that 23 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: maybe I wasn't supposed to hear um because somebody will 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: be having a conversation, but the office is so open 25 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: that it's you know, you just hear things. And it 26 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: made me think about this week's topic, just because sometimes 27 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: there's information that people don't want you to hear. But 28 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: we don't live in a vacuum. Well, met, you're here, 29 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: knowl's here. I'm here, listeners, You're the most important part 30 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: of the show. You're here, and I guess on behalf 31 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: of the listeners, i'd have to ask, Uh, what where 32 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: are you going with this? What are you talking about? So, Ben, 33 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about is a trial in an Italian 34 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 1: court in there's this guy who's considered a right wing 35 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 1: terrorist named Vincenzo vin Siagia working for a right wing 36 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: terrorist group whose name translates to a new Order. Yes, precisely, well, 37 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: this group. He stated that his group participated in what 38 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: they would say is a false flag terrorist attack, uh, 39 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: several of them, which were meant to discredit communists in 40 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: the region. Now, he also said, Ben that this these 41 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: acts that they were taking part in and his group 42 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: was a part of something called Operation Gladiol and that 43 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, is the subject of our episode today, 44 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: Operation Claudio. In this moment in four in this Italian court, 45 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: when this when this guy who is a terrorist, Vincenzo, 46 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: when he says that he uh, when he says that 47 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: his group was there to discredit the communists. That's because 48 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: this was originally blamed by the mass media of the 49 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: time and the government of the time on a group 50 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: called um the Red Brigades, which were supposed to be 51 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: a you know, there were a communist affiliated group of activists. 52 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: But he said, not only did they do a false 53 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 1: attack to discredit this communist group which hadn't bombed anything, 54 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: but they have bombed other things as well, and they 55 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: did this on the orders of their leaders and Operation Claudio. 56 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: And here's the weird thing there. Uh. Their leaders, he alleges, 57 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: are not you know, ideological crazy skinheads or super fascists. Uh, 58 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: they are someone higher, much much more official. This makes 59 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: a Venetian judge named Police Cassan uh very curious. He 60 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: sees anomalies in the reporting of this case, which was 61 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: I believe originally was the Petrono bombing. So this judge police, 62 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: he goes to the archives of the Italian military secret service, 63 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: where he discovers documents confirming the existence of Operation Gladio, 64 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: forcing the Prime Minister at the time, Giulio Andreati, to 65 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: confirm the existence of this international program. This is the 66 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: first time a government official has confirmed it. A lot 67 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: of people think Operations Gladiol went public in n but 68 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: that's not true. It's eighty four, as you said. But 69 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: then we keep saying the name Operation Gladiol, and I'm 70 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: sure our listeners are just going, what the hell is that. Well, 71 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: here's the basic idea of what it is. It's a 72 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: state sponsored stay behind program for armies like these standing 73 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: stay behind armies for aces in mostly Western Europe after 74 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: World War Two, in order to basically stamp out in 75 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: a lot of these places too. I guess, act, act 76 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: and do things that armies and official you know, military 77 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: could not do. And a lot of times they were 78 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: really bad things, like we said, carrying out terrorist attacks, um, 79 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: and these were these groups were sponsored through Gladiol. Gladiol 80 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: by intelligence agencies and even NATO. Right. Uh. One important 81 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: distinction for us to make here is that when these 82 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: stay behind armies were started, we'll walk through the timeline here. 83 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: When they stayed behind armies were created. Their purpose was 84 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: not to do offensive actions, you know, like to perform operations. 85 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: Their their purpose what it was, you know, if they 86 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: were a box of cereal, what what said on the box, 87 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: what it's said on the box exactly, was that they 88 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: would be, uh, they would be waiting in secret in 89 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: the event of an invasion from the from the communist side, 90 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: an emergency situation thing right specifically though not non emergency 91 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: situation like an earthquake or something like that, but an 92 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: emergency situation uh, defined specifically by communist powers from the 93 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: USS are attempting to invade, you know, like other West Germany, 94 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 1: other countries that were on the border. So these guys 95 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: originally weren't supposed to do anything but wait because at 96 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: the time Western Europe and the United States were convinced 97 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: that World War three was going to happen very soon 98 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: and it would be between essentially between capitalism and communism. 99 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: So they all got together in secret and built these 100 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: invisible armies for this coming secret war in countries just 101 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: throughout the area, part of countries that were part of NATO, 102 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and countries that were not. 103 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: We have a list of them too, right, Yeah, let's 104 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: just go through Finland, Oh, Sweden, Italy, Spain, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, France, Belgium, Denmark, Greece, Luxembourg, Norway, Portugal, Turkey, Cyprus, 105 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: and possibly even more. I would say, probably, we don't know. Yeah. 106 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: So these groups that were hired, these were often like 107 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: far right activists so imagine, uh, separatist militias imagine. And 108 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: this was the case in Germany, former s S soldiers. Uh. Yeah, 109 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: they were supported by the local governments. There were no 110 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: big arrest or prosecutions. When things did start getting pear 111 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: shaped for a while, a lot of times they were dropped, right, 112 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: The charges against these groups were just dropped mysteriously too. Yeah. 113 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: And they depended on secret caches of weapons that were 114 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: distributed all over Europe. Like think of finding an abandoned 115 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: mine with just create after Creative C four is that 116 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: kind of so crazy? It reminds me of some of 117 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: the spy video games I've played, where there's like a 118 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: specifically hit Man, where there's a weapon cash somewhere on 119 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: the level they just had to seek out and find it. 120 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: I played one hit Man is the guy who's bald, right, 121 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: he's got the gas? I think I played one version 122 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: of hit Man, and I quickly just got waxed because 123 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be sneaky and I didn't. I didn't 124 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: get that at first. No, I ran through, and yeah, 125 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: I was terrible at it. I'm glad one of us 126 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: is good at it. You're the expert on hit Man 127 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: from now on. But here's the million dollar question, right, Matt, 128 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: did Gladiol Armies ever cross the line from being a 129 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: ready defense force to active domestic terrorism, which is not 130 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: what they were supposed to be doing. Well, you know, 131 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: from the first thing we Stay did on this podcast, 132 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: it seems like maybe they have. But let's learn more. 133 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. So to begin this story, 134 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: we're going to have to start way back in time 135 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty, when Prime Minister Winston Churchill creates the 136 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: Secret Stay Behind Army UH, the Special Operations Executive to 137 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: assist resistance movements and carry out subversive operations in enemy 138 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 1: held territory. Now, this, you'll notice, is a little bit 139 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: different because this group he starts already is in enemy territory. 140 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: It's not like a um right, yeah, that's a great 141 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: way to say it. There behind the lines. So they 142 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: are actively doing stuff. But at the end of World 143 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: War two, when their new armies created there based off 144 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: the experiences and strategies of this s O group and 145 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: their former officers. Right, so if we if we fast 146 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: for a word, we see that there's already trouble brewing 147 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: by the end of the war. Yeah. Then in nineteen 148 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: in Finland, the Communist interior Minister, he exposes a secret 149 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: stay behind which is currently at that time being closed down. 150 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: Which is interesting because that's one of the first times 151 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: you hear, oh wait, this guy is officially closing this 152 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: secret thing that nobody knew about, right yeah, And some 153 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: people say, just like a communist. And just a few 154 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: years later in ninety seven, this is a big date 155 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: for every US resident and probably for most people in 156 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: the world. Then President Harry Truman creates the National Security 157 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: Council and the Central Intelligence Agency. They also have a 158 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: special branch of the CIA at this time it's called 159 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: the Office of Policy Coordination, and that is what sets 160 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 1: up these armies that stay behind in Western Europe. These 161 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: invisible militias. And I just got a point out that, 162 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: regardless of how you feel about this policy, it's so 163 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: strange that so many covert and technically I guess illegal 164 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: things that governments do fall under such vague names. Oh absolutely, 165 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: that sounds nice, Like that's okay. Office of Policy Coordination. 166 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: That's really good. They're getting in between the different you 167 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: know groups, and they're just like, hey, this is the 168 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: policy guys, right, yeah, what could go wrong? Then in 169 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: nineteen in France, the Interior Minister reveals the existence of 170 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: another secret stay behind army code named Plan Blue b 171 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: L e U. Yes, yeah, so there's one. Then in 172 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: in France, there's something in Finland. In Austria, same year, 173 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: forty seven, another stay behind armies exposed, but this has 174 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: been set up by right wing extremists and they were 175 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: named Susse and Ross and a chancellor at the time 176 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: named Corner Pardons the accused under say it with me, Matt, 177 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: mysterious circumstances. Oh, here you go. In nineteen forty nine, 178 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: really important year, another one. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization 179 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: is founded and the European headquarters is officially established in France. 180 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: That's NATO. Yeah, NATO, that's the one that you hear 181 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: of Vladimir Putin and Barack Obama name dropping all the time. Right. So, 182 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty one, just a few years later, a 183 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: CIA agent who may be familiar to some of you 184 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: out there named William Kolby is in Sweden training these 185 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: stay behind armies. Uh, in both that country, Sweden, and 186 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: train a new one for Finland, and in the NATO 187 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: members Norway and Denmark. It's crazy, it's proof that the 188 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: CIA was involved with this. Yeah, in nineteen fifty one. 189 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: Then next year, in nineteen fifty two, in Germany, a 190 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: former s S officer Hans Auto, which you may have 191 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: heard before, that name, he reveals to the criminal police 192 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: in Frankfort the existence of another, this time fascist Germans 193 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: stay behind army and uh. The arrested right wing extremists 194 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: guess what, they're found not guilty under mysterious circumstances. Right sold. 195 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: Just one more time, or maybe a couple more times. 196 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: In Sweden, the police arrest a right wing guy named 197 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: Otto Hallberg in three and that is how they discovered 198 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: the stay behind army that is in Sweden. Hallberg walks 199 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: away free because the charges against him are dropped under 200 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: mysterious circumstances. Man, these circumstances, they sure work in mysterious ways, 201 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: don't right, Yeah, you gotta. Uh So, Okay, now we 202 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: get to the point where it starts to seem as 203 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: though the stay behind Armies might be doing more than 204 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: protecting operatives, right, but they might actually be affecting the 205 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: government in which they reside. In nineteen sixty in Turkey, 206 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: the military, supported by secret armies, they stage a coupata 207 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: and they kill Prime Minister A Don Mendarius. Yeah. And 208 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: so in sixty four in Italy, uh, the Stay behind 209 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: Army that Gladiol instituted is involved in a coup with 210 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: with the Italian military general Giovanni de Lorenzo in Operation Solo, 211 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: makes the socialist ministers of Italy leave the government. And 212 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: then they called it a silent coup um just I 213 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: guess a reorganization of power. Yeah, yeah, that's what it 214 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: was in the Office of reorganizations of right. Yeah. So 215 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine in Italy, the Piazza funt On 216 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: a massacre which you may have heard of in it's 217 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: in Milano. It kills sixteen injurs and maims eighty, it's 218 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: blamed on the left. Then, thirty years later, during a 219 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: trial of right wing wing extremists, General g Gia Delio Maletti, 220 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: he's the former head of the Italian counter intelligence anyway, 221 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: he claims that the massacre had been carried out by 222 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: the Italian Stay behind Army and right wing terrorists on 223 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: the orders of the U S Secret Service and Central 224 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: Intelligence Agency, and they did it in order to discredit 225 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: the Italian communists. In Turkey and seventy one, there's another coup, 226 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: the military takes power. Uh. These are where we see 227 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: allegations that the stay behind Army from Gladiol is waging 228 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: domestic terror and killing civilians. Next year, nineteen seventy two 229 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: in Italy, a bomb explodes in a car near the 230 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: village of Petiano, killing three police officers. The or this 231 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: act is first blamed on the left, and then it's 232 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: a later trace back to the right wing terrorist Vincenzo 233 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: vincey Guira. Isn't that interesting who we mentioned at the 234 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: beginning of the podcast. Yeah, and the Italian stay behind 235 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: code named Gladio, and this takes us Let's let's fast 236 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: forward because when he's finally in trial as we mentioned, 237 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: and he uh Vincey Gheta reveals the involvement of NATO 238 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: Stay Behind Army and these acts of terrorism to discredit communists. 239 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: He gets sentenced to life. Some would say that's big. Well, 240 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: clearly he did it. People think he did it. But 241 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: other people were saying that he was not protected by 242 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: the organization because he started talking about it. So the 243 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: he's a young magistrate judge at the time. Felice, as 244 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, Felice Cassan forces the Prime Minister to 245 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: acknowledge the existence of Gladiol at least in Italy. But 246 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: we start seeing more mysterious stuff because once this watershed, 247 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's like a damn. Once there's a fracture, 248 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: a leak in a damn, that the entire structure begins 249 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: to compromise. People start getting nervous about their own involvement, 250 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: and you know, like where where are the legal lines here? 251 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: It's it's tough to know exactly where they are. So 252 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: then in nineteen nine and Switzerland, former commander of the 253 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: Swiss Secret Stay behind Army p. Two six, in a 254 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: confidential letter to the Defense Department, declared that he's willing 255 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: to reveal quote the whole truth unquote. Thereafter he's found 256 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: at his house stabbed with his own military banditt. So 257 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: let's go forward to later in the same year in Belgium, UH, 258 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: NATO denies. No. NATO is based in Belgium, and Belgium 259 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: NATO denies these allegations of the Italian Prime minister and 260 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: this idea of secret war in Western Europe. UH. The 261 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: next day though, right after that, so it's like November five, 262 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: they say that. November six, they come back and they say, UH, 263 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: that denial have been false. We will not answer any 264 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 1: further questions. So yeah, hey, look, we lied to you, 265 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: but we can't talk about it. Okay, well, let's not 266 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: say we we lied. That's just saying we were wrong. Yeah, 267 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: we were wrong. That's not accurate. We didn't. Maybe we 268 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: didn't have the information at the time. Now we do, 269 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: but we still should talk about and then lastly for 270 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: this timeline or we've got a couple more here. But 271 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: in the US, the National Security Archive at the George 272 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: Washington University in Washington, they file an fo I a 273 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: a Freedom of Information Act request concerning the secret stay 274 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: behind Armies with the CIA in the interests. So they're 275 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: going to the CIA trying to request these documents, and 276 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: they're trying to get them with the interest of public 277 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: information and science the research. That's for the reason they're 278 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: trying to get them. Now the CIA rejects the request 279 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: with their standard reply that we have we've heard before 280 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: in movies and in television. Ben quote, the CIA can 281 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: neither confirm nor deny the existence or non existence of 282 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: records responsive to your request. Gosh, that is so polite 283 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: and just shadowy. There was a great article about the 284 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: man who originally made that statement. I can't remember if 285 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: it pertained two JFK or something like that, but we'll 286 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: we'll find that out and we'll put it up on 287 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: our social media if we haven't already, So go visit 288 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 1: us at Facebook and Twitter where we are conspiracy stuff. 289 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: It really is perfect language for not for not really 290 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: saying anything, but very cordially. Yeah, it reminds me of 291 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: Joseph Heller and Catch twenty two. For anyone who's a 292 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: fan of that book. The there seems to be an 293 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: inherent and absurdity. But you got to check out that 294 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: article we found because that will explain in depth. Uh, 295 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: just how carefully worded that kind of stuff had to be. 296 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: So we've got that timeline, and we see some trends 297 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: in some of these cases. We see an initial act 298 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 1: of terrorism, a furious, sudden accusation of left wing groups, 299 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: and then later information seems to often reveal a connection 300 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: between the state and these groups. So at at this point, Matt, 301 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: having looked over this timeline, and thank you for walking 302 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: through that with us listeners, at this point, we're seeing 303 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: something that we see often when we talk about shadowy 304 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: organizations or UH government operations, and that is that there 305 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: there's some stuff that has proven and is is crazy 306 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: and is illegal and has proven after the fact UH. 307 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: And then there's a much larger category of stuff that's 308 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: unproven but alleged. We're going to see that stuff for 309 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: the end of course, but we can start at least 310 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: with the things that have already been proven. Well, one 311 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,239 Speaker 1: thing that we do know is that these groups that 312 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: are supported by Operation Gladioli, they did some of them 313 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: at least did commit some sort of acts of terror 314 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: or terrorism we would call terrorism now in century. Bombings, yes, 315 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: bombings in particular. They say that this was at least 316 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: these groups say it was on the order of NATO 317 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: and or m I six and or the CIA. But 318 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: those organized organizations, they just straight out deny any of 319 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: their involvement and they prefer to paint the terror as 320 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: acts of unimal, unilateral decisions made by these unrelated groups. 321 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: And you know, hey, look guys, we had nothing to 322 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: do with this, right And uh, in Italy we know that, 323 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: at least in Italy and probably in other places, these 324 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: Gladioli groups were associated with criminal elements or corruption or 325 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: what is often called the deep state. So specifically, these 326 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: guys are working with one of your favorite organizations conspiracy wise, 327 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: which is a Masonic lodge or arguably a pseudo Masonic 328 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: lodge named Propaganda Do. Yeah, that group is is fascinating. 329 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: I think we've briefly covered them a couple of times 330 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: in video, but yeah, it is worth your time to 331 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: do a little further research on P two Propaganda do right. Yeah, 332 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: they have a they often referred to as a state 333 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: within a state or shadow government. Uh. This this is 334 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: a strange thing to read about, especially if you are 335 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: interested in corruption cases. They had journalists members parliament, the 336 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: equivalent of the big businessmen the military leaders. So think 337 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,959 Speaker 1: of it. If you're listening to this in the United States, 338 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: think of this as a club where Um Glenn Greenwald, 339 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: Cole and Powell, every President, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Oprah, 340 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: everybody who has a lot of influence goes to hang 341 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: out here. Kind of does freemason stuff, which I guess 342 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: would mean that they wouldn't have Oprah in that organization. 343 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: But they, you know, they do freemason stuff. And then 344 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: they say, here's how we're secretly going to run the country, 345 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: and I don't part of that. I just have to 346 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: believe that he would not be a part of that. Well, 347 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: I I don't. I don't think that they're they're definitely 348 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: not members of p P two S which was later 349 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: supposedly disbanded. But now so we have that stuff proven 350 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: acts of terrorism right, possibly some some other stuff and 351 00:23:54,680 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: and cooperation with crime, cooperation with international until aligence networks. 352 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: But we have a lot more unproven stuff and one 353 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: of them, I guess the woman can just jump into. 354 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: Is is pretty frightening if it's true. Yes, it's this 355 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: thing called the strategy of tension, which is pretty interesting. 356 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: And the the idea here is that the constant constant 357 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: terrorist attacks create this fear amongst the populace. It encourages 358 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: this atmosphere in which there's hostility in the public against 359 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: these uh left wing groups. So basically, basically what it 360 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,479 Speaker 1: will do is or what they're hoping it will do, 361 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: is create that tension so that the public in general 362 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: will start clamoring for more control, more security from either 363 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: the government or right wing groups or both, and you know, 364 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: kind of give them even more power over the state 365 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: in general and the economy. Yeah, as the operative Vincenzo 366 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: Vincigena said during that famous trial in you had to 367 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown, people 368 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. 369 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: They were supposed to force these people to turn to 370 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: the state to ask for greater security. Yesh right. And 371 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: then there's there's more. That's what. That's one accusation, which 372 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: is which is frightening if it's true. Um, But then 373 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: there's also these accusations or allegations of assassinations. That's right. 374 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy eight, there's an investigative journalist named Mino Pecarelli, 375 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: and he thought the Prime Minister Aldo Moro's kidnapping an 376 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: assassination by the Red Brigades had actually been masterminded by 377 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: somebody else, by this what he called a lucid superpower, 378 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: and was since he was inspired by the logic of 379 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: Yalta uh or who he thought it was. He thought 380 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: the attack an assassination was inspired by the logic of 381 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: Ylta and uh. There was something that Aldo Moro was 382 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: doing during that time, right before his kidnapping an assassination. Yeah, yeah, 383 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 1: he was. He was looking into this thing and negotiating 384 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: this thing called the Historic Compromise, which would have allowed 385 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: the Communist Party for the first time since the expulsion 386 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: in nineteen seven, to re enter the government. And that 387 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: would have been a big change that a lot of 388 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: people would not have liked to have seen. So let 389 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: me get this straight. And I'm not saying it's true. 390 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's been proven, but let me get 391 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: the official story straight. So the guy who was making 392 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 1: moves to get the Communist Party back into you know, 393 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: a legitimate party status was kidnapped and assassinated by Communist activists. 394 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: That's the story. Okay, Well, you know, at a different 395 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: time maybe uh. Also NATO, you know, we talked about 396 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: these the possibility of these NATO sanctioned coups. We're walking 397 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: through the timeline, but let's get to perhaps the most 398 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: important question that But by the way, that's a huge thing. 399 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: NATO sanctioned coups. Oh yeah, yeah, Well, cous are a 400 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: part of geopolitical policymaking process, and we had talked about 401 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: the possibility that NATO have been sponsoring coups as well 402 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: when we were walking through the timeline, right, yes, and 403 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: you know we I guess we kind of glazed over 404 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: him as we're going through the timeline. But the idea 405 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: of a kudata in any country is a huge deal, 406 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: and it's sponsored by anybody. It doesn't matter. That probably 407 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: shouldn't happen. Um. And you know, even even if there 408 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: is a brutal dictator or something like that, creating a 409 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: coup is a big deal, no matter which side you 410 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: lay on, right, if you think it's a good thing 411 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: or a bad thing for a country as a whole. Oh, 412 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Having a third party come 413 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: through and influence a turnover of government, that's a big deal. 414 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: Well yeah, and that's that. I'm glad you say it. 415 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: That way, Matt, because that's a big point. A lot 416 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: of people who um first hear of, you know, the 417 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: founding of a nation or the change in the government, 418 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: can get misled when when you read in a in 419 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: a history book or something that the people decided to 420 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: make a change, because as you look, often not all 421 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: the time, of course, but often, uh, these people are 422 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: these internal groups that are leading the charge are being 423 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: bankrolled or motivated by some third party, often another country 424 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: so or somehow affiliated with it, sometimes another sometimes just 425 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: a large company. But uh, but yeah, so do be 426 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: cautious when you when you hear that sort of stuff. 427 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: Are we saying that there is are proof that everyone 428 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: admits that NATO, you know, orchestrated cuse we can't, we can't. 429 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: The U. S. State Department certainly does not agree with that, 430 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: or with most of the ideas about most of the 431 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: ideas about the Operation Gladio incidents. However, there's one really 432 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: big one that I'm sure they would miss entirely as 433 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory and as the last the last of 434 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: the unproven allegations that we have to mention today, but 435 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: chilling if they are true, and it comes to us 436 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: from a lady named Sybil Edmonds, a former FBI translator 437 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: turned whistleblower. Yes, she alleged is that Gladiol continues today 438 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: and that it's called a pro a very similar named 439 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: program Claudio b Okay in a burst of creativity. Right, 440 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: So what what this is, according to the account of 441 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: Sybil Edmonds, is a cooperation or a cooperative enterprise between 442 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: US intelligence agencies, the Pentagon, and al Qaeda or other 443 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: uh mujadem forces to the point where they said that 444 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm in al Zahawei met with the members of U 445 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: S Intelligence at an embassy in Azerbaijan starting in seven 446 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: and continuing all the way to two thousand and one. 447 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: Now that is oh, that is a tough piece of information. 448 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: That isn't solid information. This is something that is alleged 449 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: sure by hemans. However, that is a tough piece of 450 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: information to swallow for anybody who believes some of the 451 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: theories UH specifically behind the tax of September eleven. Right, Yeah, 452 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: and that isn't to say that you know, we just 453 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: I guess we just have to push pretty hard that 454 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: those I can't even I can't emphasize enough that that 455 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: this is alleged However, it is alleged by somebody who 456 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: was working from the FBI who spoke a lot of 457 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: different languages yeah and four languages, yeah, and was paying 458 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: attention to things so interesting, one of which is a 459 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: clear uh so this this idea that she's talking about 460 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: in gladiol B, she says, what's happening is that uh 461 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: NATO wasn't just meeting with these people. They were taking 462 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: some of these groups to Central Asia and to the 463 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: Balkans to help with destabilization efforts because you know, one 464 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: of the questions is GEO politically is a stable Central 465 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: Asia and the best interest of outside powers. So she 466 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: said that people were flown to Turkey on US orders 467 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 1: to train and participate in these destabilization operations that were 468 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: going to be coordinated false flag efforts that they were 469 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: gonna steal nuclear weapons secrets. Um and it's just a 470 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: dirty game. So she she even reported that some of 471 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: the hijacker that were you know, a part of nine 472 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: eleven were being trained in these facilities. Ah yes, yeah, 473 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: at least some of them. And there's there's an interesting 474 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: thing that occurs here because a paper of note in 475 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, the Sunday Times speaks to some anonymous 476 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: m I six and Pentagon forces and they say that 477 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: the operation of gladiol B is real. It's it's not 478 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: just real, it's not past tense, it's currently happening. And 479 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: apparently there was pressure from outside and not all of 480 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: this report was ever published. Well yeah, and she ended 481 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: up going to court right because she there. Oh man, 482 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: I was going through some of the official FBI response 483 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: to their investigations of Sybil Evans and just the reports 484 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: that the FBI put out even internally. It is interesting, man, Yeah, 485 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: and it's so vague because they can't mention a lot 486 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: of the stuff, right, especially considering and this is something 487 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,479 Speaker 1: you can see in our video on whistleblowers that aren't 488 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: Edward Snowden, which came out this past week as we 489 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: record this. What's interesting is the concept of retroactive classification. Yeah, 490 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: which would be super handy in a relationship. Right when 491 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: you break up retroactively, everything I told you is classified. Oh, well, 492 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: how are you going to enforce that? I don't know, man, 493 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: I guess I better call NATO. But yeah, that's I 494 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: guess that's what you would have to do. Just a 495 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: quick note everybody, Uh, noll if we could have some 496 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: advice music that is not and should not be confused 497 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 1: with relationship advice. That than that no agencyally what am 498 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: myself trained life coaches or relationship experts. He's right now 499 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: getting back to Operation gladiol B. Um, I guess we can. 500 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: Can we go over a couple of these little quotes here, 501 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: because this is really interesting to me. According to Edmunds 502 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: nine eleven September eleventh attacks, they were a gladiol B operation, 503 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: and she states that the objective of gladiol B is quote, 504 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: projecting US power in the former Soviet sphere of influence 505 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: to access previously untapped strategic energy and mineral reserves for 506 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 1: the US and European communities, pushing back Russian and Chinese power, 507 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: and expanding the scope of lucrative criminal activities, particularly illegal 508 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: arms and drugs trafficking. That's a that's a great way 509 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: to make some side money, you know. So currently Sybil 510 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: Edmonds is not allowed to talk about this stuff. She's 511 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: under a state secrets privilege or gag orders. The thing 512 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: that I focused on specifically was looking at her allegations 513 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: about this activity in Eurasia, because one thing that you 514 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: and I have found over the course of doing different 515 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: episodes on the show are on this region, is that 516 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: since the days of Empire, way like, way way before 517 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: even the modern era, uh, the the great game of 518 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: who owns Eurasia has has continued almost unabated, you know, 519 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 1: like the Mongol empires. Uh, China's venturing out into that area, 520 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: the thing that was called the great Game between various 521 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: Western powers in the time. You know, Ridary Kipling not 522 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: the best person, but he has a great book about 523 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: it called kim It's about voice by but but it's 524 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: pretty interesting. I enjoyed it, and uh, it's strange that 525 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,439 Speaker 1: this continues today. You can also read a book called 526 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: The Grand Chessboard by a guy named Meg new Braznetsky, 527 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: which I cannot believe I pronounced correctly. Fascinating dude, and book. 528 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And what this means is that these destabilization 529 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: efforts could be plausible. You know. Uh, it's and there 530 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: has to be something there because why was stuff retroactively classified? 531 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,439 Speaker 1: Apparently a lot of the stuff that Edmonds originally brought 532 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: up about this alleged claudio b was public record technically 533 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: because it was in the Congressional record. The biggest thing 534 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: for me, Ben after researching this is how is if 535 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: that is true, that stuff, that information is true, how 536 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: is she still alive? Man? And and I don't mean 537 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: to be to blunder scary, you know, scary about it. It 538 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: It just seems that that information, if true, is so explosive. Yeah, 539 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: it's I can't even fathom if that stuff was just known, right, Yeah, 540 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: that's the question. But then another question would be, well, 541 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: would the death of someone who revealed this information be 542 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: just more confirmation? You know what I mean? I mean 543 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: that it's just scary because people have been dying mysteriously 544 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: for a long time now we're connected to things like this. Sure, 545 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: and it's it's really creepy. Man. And I don't understand 546 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: like she she's still writing a lot, and well I 547 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 1: was reading some of her stuff today, right, Yeah, it's 548 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: strange because this story which Daniel Ellsberg, who the guy 549 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: leaked the Pentagon papers, he said it was this was 550 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: more explosive than the Pentagon papers. But it's something that 551 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people are not aware of. And then 552 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,919 Speaker 1: also it's something that a lot of people would say, well, 553 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 1: war is an ugly business, and this is part of 554 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: why it's such an ugly thing that these that ultimately 555 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: these sorts of actions are at the very least let 556 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: us bad than what would happen if they weren't. They argue, 557 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: it's necessary. Man. So this is where we have to conclude, 558 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: because we don't have all the information we'd love to 559 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: hear from. You. Do you think that Operation Gladiol B 560 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: is real the or that Operation gladiol continues today? This stuff, um, 561 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: that was once treated as a conspiracy theory a few 562 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: decades ago, is now largely confirmed. Not not all of it, 563 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: Not all of the connections or are written out there, um. 564 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: And there are people drawing some dotted lines, which might 565 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: be a leap of logic, but in large part, yeah, 566 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: it's it's moved to a conspiracy fact. So what what 567 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: do you think? Do you think that these kind of 568 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: destabilization efforts continue today? The Great Game, by the way, um, 569 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: which we talked about, I think in our look at 570 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: Soviet Russia and the UK, the Great Game was about 571 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: spheres of influence, trade, economy, and resources. And I've been 572 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: pretty clear with my opinion about this stuff as well, 573 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't buy the idea of wars 574 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: for ideology, often at least wars of invasion or aggression 575 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: for ideology. I think it's a nice window dressing to 576 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: put on a resource grab. I think they I think 577 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: those have happened in the past. But you have to 578 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: have a very special person. When I say special, I 579 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: mean a charismatic leader. Oh well, a leader that believes 580 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 1: in himself, in his I'm gonna say b s enough 581 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 1: that makes it ideological kind of Merlin and King Arthur's Court, 582 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: right or Connecticut Yankee. Yeah, not just a regular Merlin. 583 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: And also, if you want to write to us and 584 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: let us know some stuff that we should cover in 585 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: the future, our best ideas come from you. Will give 586 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: you our email at the very end of the show. 587 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: But first it's time to do something that we haven't 588 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,959 Speaker 1: done in a while. We're gonna read a little piece 589 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:10,760 Speaker 1: of listener mail. Then I'm going to read a quick 590 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 1: or I'm I guess I'm going to read parts of 591 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: this message we got from Kelsey. Kelsey says, hey, guys, 592 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: I was just thinking about the final question you posed 593 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: at the end of Who Runs the Internet? Dealing with 594 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 1: the future of the Internet. I watched a YouTube video 595 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: from verge or the The Verge where Bill Gates talks 596 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: about how the Internet and technology is going to help 597 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: with education and lower income countries, and Kelsey says, when 598 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: you combine this with your YouTube videos about historical revisionism 599 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: and what if the Middle Ages never happened, things that 600 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: start start to get interesting. Kelsey says, here's where it 601 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: gets crazy. What if the US government is just helping 602 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: the Third world quote to get free internet in education 603 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: so they could be the ones who are teaching them 604 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: the way they want to. That is really interesting. Um 605 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: basically saying that they would sway that part of the 606 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: world to be more aligned with Western ideology. At least 607 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 1: that's what I would do if I were them in 608 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: this situation that Kelsey says, anyways, just an idea of 609 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: the show. Keep up the good work. Well, thanks, Kelsey, 610 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: that's a that's a massive compliment, but also that that's 611 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: a great question. You and I met. We did a 612 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: piece on something similar when we talked about textbooks, which 613 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: are which are a huge deal and completely different depending 614 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: upon where you go in the world, you know, and 615 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: it's it's strange because I'm sure that, of course an 616 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: Arab textbook will differ widely from an Israeli textbook, just 617 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: as a Japanese or Chinese textbook will also differ, especially 618 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: about World War two and things like Manchuria. Right, depends 619 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: on the consensus of you know, which side you're on 620 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: and stuff went down. Yeah, And I think I think 621 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: it's completely plausible, Kelsey, that some some entity would say, 622 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: will let me, let me inculcate a certain type of 623 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 1: belief structure by not really showing you any other possibilities. Right, Yeah, 624 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,720 Speaker 1: it's a it's a good point. I think it's something 625 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: that would be possible to prove if we could find it. 626 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: But you know this, this is a a battle that 627 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: takes place within countries, especially in a country like the 628 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: United States, where every state is on some level autonomous, 629 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: right with certain things. And we've seen, at least you 630 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: and I have met, uh, the battles over what should 631 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: and shouldn't go into a textbook, sex education, evolution, how 632 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: historical events are portrayed, you know, yeah, history of the 633 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 1: United States, just overall history during slavery, right, yeah, Or 634 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: how nobody teaches or at least nobody in the South, 635 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: uh teaches Martin Luther King's other speeches, the ones about 636 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: class equality, right, because that's that's a little bit too socialist. 637 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: I think, um, you know, I don't know how it 638 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: is in other states, but that that's a that is 639 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,320 Speaker 1: fantastic food for thought, and we've got to start digging 640 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: on that exactly. 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