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Speaker 1: Warning, today's episode canase spoilers for the X Men movies,

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Speaker 1: Deadpool and Wolverine, X Men ninety seven, and various X

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Speaker 1: Men comics be worn. Hello. My name is Jason Sepsion

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Speaker 1: and I'm Rosie Knight, and welcome back to x Revision,

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we dive deep into your favorite Joe's movies,

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Speaker 1: comics and pop culture company from my Heart. We're bringing

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Speaker 1: you three episodes.

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Speaker 2: Weekly list news.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, we've got a special treat for you.

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Speaker 3: We're still a few months away from Avengers Doomsday, but

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Speaker 3: with so many players spread across movies, TV, and of course, comics,

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Speaker 3: each month we will dive deep into a set of

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Speaker 3: characters to help you prepare for the MCU's next big

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Speaker 3: tempole Avengers movie. Burst Up, Jason and I look through

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Speaker 3: the many messy romantic entanglements of the X Men. Then

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Speaker 3: we'll debate the X Men's introduction to the MCU, who

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Speaker 3: should be on the team, do we want the Old

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Speaker 3: God to be involved? And how do the X Men

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Speaker 3: movies compare to the best of the MCU. And finally,

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Speaker 3: will theorize about the X Men's role in Doomsday and beyond.

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Speaker 1: The main thing about the X Men, rosie is that

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Speaker 1: they are messy. Oh messy, messy, messy, messy, messy people

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Speaker 1: forget that. Professor Charles Xavier, the vaunted Professor Charles Xavier

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Speaker 1: once had a crush on the fifteen year old Jean Gray.

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Speaker 3: I would say she was around fifteen at that time.

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Speaker 3: She was his first ever student, and he immediately fell

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Speaker 3: in love with her. It's a controversial time.

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Speaker 1: It was a different time. It was nineteen sixty three,

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Speaker 1: Cuban missile crisis.

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Speaker 2: He had a lot going on, right, he was a lot.

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Speaker 2: He was doing his best, he was doing what he could.

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Speaker 1: But the X.

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Speaker 4: Men have long been a messy institution with many romances

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Speaker 4: going on underneath Charles Xavier's roof, not only himself.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's talk about the big ones. Uh, we have

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Speaker 1: to start with would you agree that this is the

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Speaker 1: iconic coupling of the X Men, Jean Gray and Cyclops.

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Speaker 1: I mean they grew up together, it was first love,

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Speaker 1: They got married, they had a kid. He married Clone

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Speaker 2: They stole a clones kid.

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Speaker 3: Bus I would say this is definitely the most well known.

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Speaker 3: If you look Weddings magazine or six one six, you know,

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Speaker 3: is the never ending, always on and off again ultimate Relationship.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because it was more of a late stage.

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Speaker 3: Edition because, as we know, early on on the X

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Speaker 3: Jean Gray, so they would be in the danger room.

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Speaker 3: They would be trying to impress her, you know, but

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Speaker 3: this was this.

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Speaker 2: Was who she chose.

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Speaker 1: She chose Scott, it was you know, before the student

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Speaker 2: Me, too bad. Jean was scrabla.

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Speaker 3: It didn't maw as their Iceman colossus.

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Speaker 2: Everyone was sick of it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't I think that You're right. I

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Speaker 3: and honestly has always been a place for love triangles.

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Speaker 2: We hear about them a lot. I haven't old.

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite loved Oh?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean a favorite love triangle is a tough question,

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Speaker 1: Destiny was deceased at the.

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Speaker 3: Time exactly, but you know, there was a Forge and

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Speaker 3: Mystique ended up together, and I'm obviously.

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Speaker 2: A Destiny and Mystique. That's my end game. I want

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Speaker 2: Obviously one of the early relationships, but.

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Speaker 1: Bobby Drake was involved in that.

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Speaker 3: There was a push and pull against who Polaris would

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Speaker 3: Established idea of a woman with two men fighting over

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, we let's let's work up to the Krakatoa

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Speaker 1: But I think you know, for me, I always tend

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Speaker 1: do it. But it was it, Oh God, that that

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Speaker 1: just was such an exciting relationship for so long.

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Speaker 3: It was, and we've gotten to see it in all

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Speaker 1: And very so inspiring.

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Speaker 3: Oh you know Chase, Well, speaking of Chase, Jana's though,

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Speaker 3: I do believe personally. This is not a man who

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Speaker 3: yana is in that X men. When it comes to

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Speaker 3: romance and relationships, it's going to be Wolverine.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Logan has been a life for one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 3: his Silver you know, Silver Fox, it's Bacon's mother, Marico ripen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, he has had his moments with Storm Domino, mystique,

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Speaker 3: Electra Yukio. I mean, this man over one hundred and

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Speaker 2: This man is just absolutely living in his own life.

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Speaker 3: And I suppose that's what happens when you've been a

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Speaker 1: Well, you know the thing about Wolverine, and you tell

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Speaker 1: the dynamic with Wolverine and his yearning and his various

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Speaker 1: You get the feeling like you know, you it's gonna

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Speaker 1: sense that it's like, Okay, I'm attracted to this guy.

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Speaker 1: Maybe something will happen, and maybe I kind of want

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Speaker 2: It's true.

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Speaker 3: He does not seem to instill pride in Damn, which

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Speaker 3: I do think is funny because, like you see, it

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Speaker 2: He's a little short king, he's burie, you know.

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Speaker 1: But fashion sins is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Fashion says is crazy.

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Speaker 3: Also, like, let's be real, this guy's been wandering around

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Speaker 2: Likes he's been around.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but you know, what the ladies love

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Speaker 2: But you know, we as we said, when.

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Speaker 3: We get to that Kukoha era, it will we will

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Speaker 3: learn that maybe he's finally found something that works for him.

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Speaker 2: But I will also say, another threesome. I just want

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Speaker 3: We often leave her out because she was generally seen

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Speaker 3: as just like an ally to Professor Xavier for a while,

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Speaker 3: but Professor x Moira mctagger and bats that was a

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Speaker 3: big love triangle because Moira chose Badshi over and over again.

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Speaker 3: many problems globally and galaxyly cosmically, many international and.

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Speaker 2: Global wars over who he chooses to sleep web. So yes, Moira,

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Speaker 3: But she would move Banshee onto Murre Island, and then

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Speaker 3: Charles would be there doing event or some kind of

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Speaker 1: Here's you know, Here's the thing with Professor X is

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Speaker 1: he can He could never even with Lilandra, Empress of

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Speaker 1: He struggled with a woman who was his equal or his.

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Speaker 3: Better, which is funny because that's also all he ever pursues.

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Speaker 1: It's holly of a pursus, and I think he I

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Speaker 1: think there was a little bit of a I don't know,

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Speaker 1: and uncomfortability. Certainly Moiro was looking for, like she just

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Speaker 2: Chill dude, He's gonna do the laundry, He's.

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Speaker 1: Gonna actually no problem. Yes, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean also, Magneto has a history alongside Charles, of getting

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Speaker 2: Obviously Magneto and Magna. Well, I was thinking a lot

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Speaker 3: Legion's mother and how Magneto, Charles, and Legion's mother all

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Speaker 3: I mean, you just can't keep these men in check.

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Speaker 3: That's the wildest thing. And let's not even begin to

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Speaker 2: Jason, I have a question for you.

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Speaker 3: Is the X Men the most incestuous of our superhero teams?

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Speaker 1: Well, clearly, absolutely question Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: keep coupling. We just gotta keep And it's not only

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Speaker 2: Let people.

438
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: He backs it up. And the sad part of it

439
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: is if your gambit, you have to I have to

440
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: feel like in his quiet moments, he's like, I get it.

441
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: Even I would would make the same choice. I would

442
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: do that. Let's talk about Let's talk about Krakoa, because

443
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: it's a place where just anything goes. You know, the

444
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: first law of Crico, as you mentioned, make more mutants

445
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: and what does that mean? You know, the implication is

446
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: pretty clear. It's get it, get it going, let's hook up,

447
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: let's get let's make more of us. And and attached

448
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: to that, let's enjoy life. You know, we've been persecuted

449
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: for so long. Let's enjoy life in all of its facets.

450
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: And within that, I think that there there is a

451
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: defining really relationship and that came about with the discovery

452
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: that mm hmm, I mean Cyclops, whoa, Gene, and Wolverine

453
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: all had rooms in Cracola that were connected by interior doorways.

454
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 3: Oh and nobody else did nobody else security.

455
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: Risk must revealing those blueprints. But I mean we were

456
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 2: all living like great news.

457
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: Now, you know. Mister Sinister, who was publishing a gossip

458
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: rag on the island at the time, said in one

459
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: of his sinister blind items quote, He's the best there

460
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: is at what he does. She's married with a kid.

461
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: The husband knows exactly what's going on, but who is

462
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: he to point the thinker? He's up to much the

463
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: same and more. Maybe this is just the new normal

464
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: on the Mutant Island. Now listen, that's been there before,

465
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: He's been out in Gene and some of the costs

466
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: freakiness that had been going on there.

467
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: Didn't talk about the fact, by the way, that he

468
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 3: fell in love with his own ex wife, his own

469
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: who he thought was dead wife's clone, and had a

470
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: baby with that and it's called the baby, so yes,

471
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 3: it's he's really.

472
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: How would you the revelation that Emma was psychically dressing

473
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: up his Gene in their interactions crazy. That is still

474
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: to this day shocking stuff.

475
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 2: I have never been shocked.

476
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: And it was also actually, I have to say, one

477
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: of the few times I actually felt empathy for Scott

478
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 3: because it was one of the first times we'd ever

479
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: seen him as a human being, a flawed human being

480
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: who was like soup, deeply fucked up, which is who

481
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: wouldn't be in this insane sex house that they all

482
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: live in.

483
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: And also, can I just say, even pre Krakoa.

484
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: There are some very famous moments from the clam on

485
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 3: X Men where like someone will walk into a room

486
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: and they're all just laying around.

487
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: In robes on like sofas.

488
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: So I do feel like there has I mean, there's

489
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 3: there's even a moment where T'Challa stumbles into a mew and.

490
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: Orgy and something.

491
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: You know, I would say this is a very sexually

492
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 3: free community.

493
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody's always by the pool in bikinis, looking great,

494
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: sweaty from playing some softball classes like lifting cars and stuff.

495
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: You know.

496
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 3: Yes, I would also say when it comes to unrequited loves,

497
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: we did get a very interesting revelation recently about Morph's

498
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: unrequited feelings very.

499
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: Or logan, Yes, I mean Jason, there is.

500
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: Just so much unbelievable romance and messiness in this team

501
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: and honestly, we have just touched the iceberg. So guys,

502
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: if you ever want to know more about the messy

503
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 3: romantic world of the X Men. You just got to

504
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 3: hit us up because, trust me, we could do a

505
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 3: whole book on this one.

506
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: There's so many.

507
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: Let's stick it quick break and we'll be right back.

508
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: Let's bring in super producer Aaron Now to walk us

509
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: through some fun debates we're gonna have about the Mutants,

510
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: their relationships, and what we might see of them in

511
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: Avengers Doomsday.

512
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 5: Jason, Rosie, thank you for having me back.

513
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 6: I am excited to hear your hot takes spicy on

514
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 6: the X Men and the mutant world in general. Now,

515
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 6: speaking of hot, this has been a question that's going

516
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 6: through my mind. Are we in hot summer's summer? Is

517
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 6: Psycops finally going to have his on screen moment? He

518
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 6: had a big moment in X Men ninety seven, They

519
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 6: really gave him a good open, but in the movies

520
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 6: he's been criminally underutilized. Yeah, what do you think is

521
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 6: this hot summer summer?

522
00:29:58,880 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: Rosie?

523
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: Oh, this is a tough one for me. I've always

524
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: been a Cyclops skeptic. I was in the age where

525
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: I felt like he was very overused. But I do believe,

526
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: I do believe that X Men ninety seven did a

527
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 3: lot for the pro Cyclops, cause he had been a

528
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: easy hate focus for a while for us who thought

529
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: he was a little bit preppy, a little bit whimpy.

530
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: And you know, James Marsden, I love him. I'm very

531
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: excited to what they hinted.

532
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 3: I just want to make sure those graphics look good

533
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: and the big screen actually pops when he is on it,

534
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: because so far with symphonm trailers not too exciting. I

535
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: think you could actually be touching on something else, which

536
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: is I think it might be hot summer's summer, because

537
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: we might be getting more of the summers. I wonder

538
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: if that is also out of it, Like it's not

539
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 3: just Cyclops. We might get a little Rachel, a little Hope,

540
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: a little you know whoever. Else We might see Alex

541
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: like it.

542
00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: I think the dead, we see his dad, Oh my god,

543
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: I love well. We would love to see a little

544
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: space pirate action.

545
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean this is just very I think I

546
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: think we can expect the Big Five, the original five.

547
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: To play a major part in this. Your Cyclops, your gene,

548
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: your beast.

549
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: I think they are going traditional and I do think

550
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: that after X Men ninety seven, really Gambit and Cyclops

551
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 3: came out of that looking very very good.

552
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: I think that this is going to be, or should be,

553
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: rather summer summer. Listen, Cyclops is a late blooming character.

554
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: I think for most of his depiction he was he

555
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a wet noodle. And I

556
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: only say that because you know, he's got it. He's

557
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: immensely powerful, but he's very buttoned up because anything he

558
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: looks at he can destroy. And I think for a

559
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: time that was the dominant side of his personality, that

560
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: kind of control freak aspect. I must be in control,

561
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: I must control everything.

562
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: I must be repressed.

563
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: I must be repressed. But something happened, you know. I

564
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: think around in the comics, around Astonishing X Men, and

565
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: then further where you know, but the mutants in general

566
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: just got more militant. And I think when you look

567
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: at the trailers right, there's almost like a you know

568
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: it kind of mirrors like what's going on in society.

569
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: You've got these elderly fucking leaders in Behavior and Magneto.

570
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: They're so fucking old, and I listen, much.

571
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 7: Respect, they've done a lot of good, but maybe it's

572
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 7: time for a younger, more radical, more insurrectionist, more militant.

573
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: Type of that mutant politics. And I think Scott Summers,

574
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: as we saw him in ninety seven, as we've seen

575
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: him in various carnations in the recent X Men comics,

576
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: I think is the perfect face of that because you look,

577
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: he's a good looking white guy, but he is like

578
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: the most cutting edge mutant radical there currently is. And

579
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: he came to that place organically through fighting against Magneto,

580
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: through fighting against the Brotherhood, through fighting against various splinter

581
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: mutant factions, while also fighting against the Sentinels and you know,

582
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: human supremacist extremists, and the leader that Scott is now

583
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: is like a like a Shay Gavara type, you know.

584
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: And and if they bring that to the screen, you know,

585
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: I think that will be incredible. You know, I've talked

586
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: about like what I kind of hope the thing is,

587
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: which is that, you know, either the mutants are are

588
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: dooms kind of like I think that's like their horsemen,

589
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: or you know, we get a version of this where

590
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: young mutants, including Scott come to the six one six

591
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: and while anti mutant fervor hasn't happened yet like it

592
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: did in their dimension, they know it will.

593
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it has started with all the Wilson Fisk

594
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: stuff and every.

595
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I think so, I hope that this is Cyclops's moment,

596
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: and I think it is.

597
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, Rosie follow up with that. Are the X Men

598
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 6: as a team kind of hampered by having these these

599
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 6: old favorites that people have loved since the original film?

600
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 6: Is it time to really let the Vets retire so

601
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 6: we can actually develop some new heroes and villains.

602
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 3: Aaron, I think you are touching on something really important here.

603
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: I do think, well, obviously, you know you heard about

604
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: the characters we talked about. We do love the classics.

605
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: We love the Original five, We love Giant Size obviously,

606
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: that's mine and Jason's favorite era.

607
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 2: We love the Clermont stuff, that's the iconic stuff.

608
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: I will say, I do think that in the movies especially,

609
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: they have been hampered with the small amount of characters

610
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 3: they've been able to explore. And I do understand because

611
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: Magneto and Charles are so engaging.

612
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 2: It's a story that has propelled us through.

613
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 3: You know, fifty sixty years of history at this point,

614
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 3: and we love them, and we love Storm, and we

615
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 3: love you know, all these great characters. Wolverine, you know,

616
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 3: there was a time they had to kill Wolverine off

617
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: and have a counter because he was.

618
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: In like two hundred monthly comics or something like. It

619
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 2: was insane.

620
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: So you have touched on the biggest issue I think here,

621
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: which is actually there is an unbelievable amount of X

622
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: Men characters.

623
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: There are other X Men teams we haven't even had. There,

624
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: there's Generation X, there's you know, X Factor, X Force.

625
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 3: Like we've seen like kind of joke versions of them,

626
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 3: and we've especially in the Deadpool space, they have used

627
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: a lot of like weird characters to be like, hah,

628
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 3: look at Shatterstar. What a silly guy. But there is

629
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 3: actually an incredible range of young heroes and that's why

630
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: the team is so incredible and why the books have

631
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 3: gone on for so long. So I hope that once

632
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: the MCU gets to do a really cool version of

633
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 3: Scott and a really cool badass version of Gene and stuff,

634
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: we do not need to do Dark Phoenix again yet. Guys,

635
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: Like it's okay, like that's been done. It's hard to do.

636
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: Let's give some other storylines a chance. Let's like this

637
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: is gonna there's such a me one because I'm gonna

638
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: be like, I want to see boom boom, Like do

639
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: a boom boom story, Like.

640
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: Do a freaking you know, a true Space Pirates Corsair

641
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: type story. Do a story about.

642
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 3: The new Mutants that's actually really scary, you know. Bring

643
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 3: back Anna Taylor Joy. We know she loves a franchise,

644
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: and she is so fucking good in that movie, even

645
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: though the movie itself has a lot of flaws. That's

646
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: great magic casting. There's so many incredible people, Aaron. I

647
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: think you're right. I do think that they have slightly

648
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 3: been hampered throughout the years by trying to replicate what

649
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 3: we love from the eighties comics and also the nine

650
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 3: s TV show. Now we have X Men ninety seven

651
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: that did a good job bringing in new, accout characters

652
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: or bringing other characters to the forefront, like Gambit, who

653
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 3: we did get in one of the kind of failed

654
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: X Men type spin offs. But like, it would be

655
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 3: great to see them believe in a new roster. But

656
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: I think first we're gonna have to get to them

657
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: doing a version that they feel like is good in

658
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: the MCU, that takes advantage of it.

659
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: I think you just I think everybody's just kind of

660
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: a younger, Like I think when you look at Brand

661
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: New Day and that, yeah, and cities potentially being gene

662
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm actually very excited by that. I you know,

663
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: I think that there is a world in which if

664
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: you introduce these young characters, maybe you could do a

665
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: version of Dark Phoenix as long as you let the

666
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: audience kind of grow up alongside them and experience things

667
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: and get there naturally.

668
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 3: I imagine if it was like a ten year plan

669
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 3: and the end of that was Dark Phoenix, that would

670
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: be unreason that would be that would be a real

671
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: MCU and you could do a We've never seen real

672
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: Dark Phoenix brought to the screen. Every version of it's

673
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: been terrible. Let somebody else write it, please, It's always

674
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: been the same guy. Like, uh, I like the anime advision,

675
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: but the live action.

676
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: Ones, I think that, Yeah.

677
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: I think you're right, Jason. They could They can.

678
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 3: They can do it by just making everyone younger, but

679
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 3: also having a wider pool of young talent that represent

680
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: different hairroes and different mutants and see where that goes.

681
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: And I think when you look at that trailer, there's

682
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: some very interesting threads there, including the fact that one

683
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: Peter Parker's going through mutation. We talked about this previously,

684
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't be surprised if if Sadie Sink is

685
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: indeed Jean Gray. It's because a X Men team is

686
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: like reaching out to contact this new mutant that just

687
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: popped up on Cerebro. And two when uh, when the

688
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: Incredible Hulk shows up, When Bruce Banner shows up, he

689
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: appears to be wearing like a power dampener to keep

690
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: him from hulking out. Now, did Bruce Banner inadvertently invent

691
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: the anti mutant technology of the future.

692
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 3: It could happen because that was also something we saw

693
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: in chey Arc.

694
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: It was this kind of new technology.

695
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: Yes, I could definitely see that, especially because I think

696
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: they are gonna blow the lines between mutants and mutates

697
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: as we would call them in the comic books.

698
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: So I think we could definitely see that.

699
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 3: I could see Bruce unintentionally creating essentially, you know, mutant collar.

700
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: That would be very interesting. It would also could tie

701
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: into Forge. We could see some connections there.

702
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 2: Also.

703
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 3: Bruce Banner somebody who was event originally mutated by gamma radiation,

704
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: but again we call him a mutat, not a natural mutant. Yes,

705
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 3: I think that's very interesting, Jason.

706
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: So all you know, all of which is to say,

707
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: I think if you do him younger, I think if

708
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: it's a I think if they're younger, that solves a lot.

709
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: You know, It's it's I mean, you know, Charles and

710
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: Charles and Magnito are are actors in their eighties, Like,

711
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: we can't do this forever, guy.

712
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: We need we need them to discuss to decide what

713
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,959
Speaker 3: they're going to do about the Magneto of it all.

714
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: That's the biggest question because obviously it's so such an

715
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: important part of his personality that he is Jewish, that

716
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: he's a Holocaust survivor. But timeline wise, the movies do

717
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 3: not have a shifting timeline the same way the comics do.

718
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 3: Obviously we are going to get a classic Ian McKellen

719
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: version of Magneto here, but what do they do when

720
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: Magneto comes back? What version do we get? What horrific

721
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 3: thing did he survive? What does his Jewishness mean to

722
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: him in this day and age? That's going to be

723
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 3: so important. So I also think it's a lot of

724
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: questions around what we're what choices they're going to make

725
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 3: and we're going to have to basically wait till Doomsday

726
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: to start getting an idea. I think of what they

727
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: want to do.

728
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 6: Speaking of Magneto, Rosie, we know Patrick Stewart and Ian

729
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 6: McKellan are in Doomsday. Yes, we don't know yet they're

730
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 6: involvement in Secret Wars. But with the X Men's introduction

731
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 6: into the MCU, do you want them to have a

732
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 6: a Magneto figure, either McKellen or someone else, or would

733
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 6: you rather they start off with a different big villain

734
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 6: and let us get to Magneto later in order to

735
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 6: avoid this, As you said, Magneto problem.

736
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 5: Of his origin and the timeline. How important is he

737
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 5: to the beginning of the X Men.

738
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 3: Sorry, I think if you're gonna have Professor X, you

739
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 3: have to have Magneto.

740
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: Sadly, they are basically like the.

741
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: Batman Joker, but with more romantic tension of this universe.

742
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 3: I would also say, though there are other incredible villains,

743
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: like you could have mister Sinister, and you could have

744
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 3: Charles and Magneto bi more like Ali Allies, or you

745
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 3: could have Magneto and crocoa like he doesn't. But I

746
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 3: think not having Magneto at all, it's like not having

747
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: Bruce Wayne's parents in the Batman or something.

748
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: It's such a key part to the origin.

749
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: But I don't necessarily think that Magneto has to be

750
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: your ultimate villain because also we're gonna be in a

751
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 3: world where everyone is gonna be on Magneto's side, Like

752
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: there's not as much of the clear like before. It

753
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: was more of this like you can be nice and

754
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: try and work on side people, or you can and

755
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: we know that doesn't work anymore, right, it doesn't even

756
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: work in the MCU. So I think that's also another

757
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 3: thing is like, are we gonna see Magneto as the

758
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: leader of the X Men more along lines of what

759
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: we'd seen in X.

760
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: Men ninety seven?

761
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: Or I always love the Storm Scott kind of X

762
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: Men argument who.

763
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: Should be the head master? So I think there's lots

764
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: of options.

765
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: I do think you need Magneto, but I also think

766
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: that that is probably the character and the concept that

767
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: has been keeping them up for the last like ten

768
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: years working out how.

769
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 6: To do it real quick? Which is your favorite of

770
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 6: the Fox X Men movies?

771
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: M Well, probably X two X.

772
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 5: Men United, Rosie, What about you?

773
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna go I'm gonna go later because

774
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: I do love those.

775
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 5: But wine is your favorite?

776
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, how do you know? No, I'm actually

777
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 2: I'm a big I'm a Days of Future Past lover.

778
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: I think they take something really incredible.

779
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 3: I X two was definitely my favorite for the longest time,

780
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: but I think nowadays of Future Past is what I

781
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 3: go back to. And Rewatch. I love the way it looks.

782
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: I think that it does what First Class was trying

783
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: to do, but like in a way more interesting way.

784
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 3: I think it's the best until you know Logan, which

785
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 3: I think is probably the best X Men movie we've gotten,

786
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 3: though I think it stands a little bit differently. Is

787
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: it's just really in depth. It has really interesting casting.

788
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 3: I love the time travel aspects. I like what they

789
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: do with the Magneto flashback. It just all works for me.

790
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 3: So very fun stuff.

791
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 5: Also has Blink, one of my favorites. Yes, iconic Blink

792
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 5: on screen.

793
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love to get Blink.

794
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: We also get Boo Boo Stewart, we get like, we

795
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 3: get indigenous heroes.

796
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: Like it's really it's pretty cool stuff.

797
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 6: Where do you think the best of the X Men universe?

798
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 6: Where does that rank within the MCU level of movies,

799
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 6: because these really kicked it off and came well before

800
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 6: the Avengers initiative was really happening in the MCU. Do

801
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 6: you think X two or Days of Future Past belong

802
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 6: in that top pantheon of.

803
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: How many movies would Infinity five top five? I don't

804
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: think Center sold sadly, no. I think that I think

805
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: that you could make an argument that X two and

806
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: Days are.

807
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 3: Like loads like eight to twelve in between, like ten

808
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 3: and fifteen, eight and fifteen.

809
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: I would say they the MCU had, especially the early stuff.

810
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: It had a verve and like a vibrancy that a

811
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 3: lot of those didn't get. It had costumes that looked

812
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 3: more like real costumes. It didn't do the militarized thing.

813
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 3: I think while the X Men movies did start us

814
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 3: on the trail of the big Hollywood superhero movies, same

815
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 3: with the Spider Man that would come out a couple

816
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 3: of years later.

817
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 2: I will say that I think, you know.

818
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: They were a little bit more of what we expected

819
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: from kind of an action movie, whereas something like Blade

820
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: that had come out in nineteen ninety nine had tried

821
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: to be more or ninety eight had tried to be

822
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: more like this is a comic book, you know, and

823
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 3: I think the MCU took us more back to that

824
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 3: comic book space when they really expanded out Marvel Studios.

825
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 6: All Right, last thing before we had to break a

826
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 6: rapid fire role player section, I'm gonna name off a

827
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 6: couple categories. You tell me who you want either from

828
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 6: previous MCU I'm sorry, from previous X men movies, or

829
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 6: from the comics to fill this role in the upcoming

830
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 6: MCUX men.

831
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 5: Who is the glue guy?

832
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 6: Who's who's the teammate that holds everything together that they

833
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 6: have the best relationship with everyone, whether or not their

834
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 6: rooms are adjoined or you know, in the mansion is

835
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 6: for debate.

836
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 5: But who's the best glue guy?

837
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: Night Crawler? He's got the high. Everybody loves him. There's

838
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 1: nobody that doesn't like Kurt.

839
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going for Jubilee nice because everyone wants to

840
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: look after her.

841
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: But now she's a little bit more evolved. She's kind

842
00:45:59,120 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: of a mother.

843
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 3: She she can she knows someone like Logan, but she's

844
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 3: also chill with Scott, Like.

845
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: Is she a vampire?

846
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: Now she's been a vampire. She might be a vampire.

847
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: She might still be a vampire might be a vampire terrorist.

848
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 6: Not sure who's the heart throb, Who's the one that

849
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 6: that either audiences or other X men are lusting after.

850
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: I'm going for Emma because I just think she's like

851
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: the forever heart throb. And I'm thinking of like those Christie,

852
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 3: those Chris Anka, like Kevin Wada crazy.

853
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: She's got the ex costume on the.

854
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: Frank quietly X She's my She's my forever heart. But

855
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 3: I mean the X men are full of them. I'm

856
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 3: not gonna lie. It's sexy, folks.

857
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: It's pretty, it's pretty packed. But I think of people

858
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: that have existed in in the movies and this is

859
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: not connected to the actors who portrayed them, right correct,

860
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: But I would say I would say for the guys,

861
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: it would be Scott and for the for the ladies,

862
00:46:59,160 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: it would be Emma.

863
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's the I think that's the general vibe,

864
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: especially as well.

865
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: Has Beast has very SPONSI very I would say, like once.

866
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 6: You graduated from Wolverine, you get I kind of exactly.

867
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: I kind of love the nature of the freakiness of

868
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: mutants and like like for Alt, another person.

869
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 2: Who has a lot of fans, mistake.

870
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on, you know, yeah.

871
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: All kinds of stuff.

872
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 1: So basically that all hot throbs.

873
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 5: They Yeah, no, rogue. I'm surprised. Who's the trade bait?

874
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: Who?

875
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 6: Who is the X Men member that you want on

876
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 6: an in other movies that you want to see not

877
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 6: Wolverine necessary, but Wolverine showing up in Hawkeye or Wolverine

878
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 6: showing up in Black Panther. Who is the X Men

879
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 6: member you want involved in the mc U at large?

880
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: Oh? I like that?

881
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I think for me that Storm because I

882
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: think if they were smart, they would do Storm as

883
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 3: the kind of Nick Fury of this era, Like she's

884
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: the headmaster, She's the one who knows what's going on.

885
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: She's Charles confidante. And I also think if you couldn't

886
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: commit to a full Storm movie now because you don't

887
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 3: know how to make the powers look good or you

888
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 3: haven't got a great writer, you could have her pop

889
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 3: up in the TV shows, in the movies.

890
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: In Doomsday. I would love to I would love to

891
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: see that. So she's definitely mine.

892
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: You know, did you say not Wolverine?

893
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 5: It could be Wolverine. I just used him.

894
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: Ashe listen, Hugh Jackman, think much respect to him and

895
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: everything he has done for this character. Get me a

896
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: young Wolverine.

897
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 2: Thank you, Short Wolverine.

898
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: Get me a young short Wolverine. And just because I

899
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: mean we mentioned it earlier, just because of his popularity,

900
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: there are so many crossovers, cameos, Limited series Wolverine and Habit,

901
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: Wolverine and Captain America, Wolverine and Spiry. You know, there's

902
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: that iconic image of Wolverine scraping his claws across Steve's shield.

903
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: I think the kind of curveball chaos that Wolverine brings

904
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: to his various cameo appearances could be really really cool

905
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: in the MC writ large because you know, he's a

906
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: guy who it's that, you know, it's the classic thing.

907
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: You know, we're watching Daredevil right now. There's always this

908
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: classic interplay that is a Daredevil trope that's in a

909
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: lot of comics, but you know, very pointed in Daredevil,

910
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: whre it's like, Matt won't kill but that's why he

911
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: keeps teaming up with the bulls Eye. They will do it.

912
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: And he's like, how dare you kill.

913
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: Killing these people? I obviously want you to kill that,

914
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: I mean, don't do that.

915
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do that, but you did it. And I

916
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 1: think that there's that aspect to team ups with Wolverine

917
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: where you could see Spider where Spider Man or Captain

918
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: America is like, Lohan, what the hell are you doing?

919
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: Why is there like five decapitated heads in the courton?

920
00:49:59,800 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: You know?

921
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 3: I would also say you make it a good point, Jason,

922
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 3: because also like they've been trying to do Logan throughout

923
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 3: the MCU anyway, because that Tony Stark as the mentor role,

924
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 3: that's really Logan. The doctor Strange taking that over, that

925
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 3: would be Logan. So also something I think people don't

926
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 3: really talk about about, like the popularity of those Venom

927
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 3: movies and why they made so much money even though

928
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: their quality is questionable. When me and Jason were growing up,

929
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 3: like every single person had a Venom sports jersey or

930
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 3: a Venom. It was this nineties nostalgia and Wolverine was that.

931
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 2: But even more so, I.

932
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 3: Think when it comes to safe bets of what people

933
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 3: will show up and spend money on, especially if you

934
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: do it well, that would really be your smart option.

935
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 2: All right.

936
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 6: Last one, who is the locker room problem? Who of

937
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 6: the X Men roster? Do you not want them to include?

938
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 6: Not want them to include? Yeah, well some problems are good.

939
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: I like, okay, like that, who's who would be?

940
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 3: Or like they bring them back and you're like, why

941
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 3: did they cast this?

942
00:50:59,400 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

943
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: Why did they bring this character in?

944
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: Wow? Interesting?

945
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 3: I would have used to say morph based on the

946
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 3: old stuff, and I felt like in the Nice two

947
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: stuff he was so annoying.

948
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 2: But I've really liked what they.

949
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 3: Did with him and woverine m duality, so I would

950
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 3: say that used to be my go to, like I

951
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: hate him, I mean hilariously, if you'd have asked me

952
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 3: like five years ago, I would have been, like Scott's Summers,

953
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 3: like we've said enough of that guy.

954
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: It's tough because we really do love like all of

955
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: the X men. I'm like, who don't probably you know what.

956
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: I don't want them to bring back Blob just because

957
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 3: they never know what to do with it. They always

958
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: do some problematic shit. It's never funny. They don't have

959
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 3: an interesting thing. I'd rather they do something like Globe Heerman,

960
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 3: where you have something interesting and like weird and you

961
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 3: can have conversations about it. I think those kind of

962
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 3: like throwaway characters that they never really do enough with

963
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 3: same in the in previous movies with like Juggernaut, but

964
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 3: in the comics, Juggernaut's an amazing character, like so in depth.

965
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was gonna I'm glad you mentioned Blob

966
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: because I was I was also gonna go Brotherhood. I

967
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: was gonna say Toad.

968
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, like, we don't need to see that shit.

969
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: And I just think that if you're going to do

970
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: a character like Toad, there is a schism within mutant

971
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: culture where you know, the non human presenting mutants have

972
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: their own kind of culture, their own kind of thing,

973
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: and they have spoken about how much more difficult it

974
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: is for them than for like a Geen Gray for instance.

975
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: And I would like to see a non human presenting

976
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: mutant like Globe Herman, who is who you get to

977
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: engage with their humanity, rather than Toad, who is kind

978
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: of like like a carnival character.

979
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 3: They always feel like he is just like a gross

980
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: little guy and gross slimy.

981
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: Yu yeah, the m bugs, he's got tongue. Actually, you

982
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: make a good point.

983
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 3: I think that really is the summation of what they

984
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 3: need to do, is like, if you're gonna take a

985
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 3: weird little character. You've got to tell us why we

986
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: need to care about them. Yes, and the previous ones

987
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 3: it's often just been like, look at this freaky little guy.

988
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 3: But we're kind of beyond that now and in cultural

989
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: conversation and our knowledge of the X Men.

990
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 2: So I think that's a really good cool.

991
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 6: Like Leech as the resident producer who's always worried about

992
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 6: the the the flow of money back to the studios,

993
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 6: and I'm always very business focused there. I am going

994
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 6: to say Blob is gonna be in it because if

995
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 6: the nineties cartoon of Blob eating all the pints of

996
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 6: ice cream, that image is burned in my brain. And

997
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 6: now use that, I'll use that to sell X Men

998
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 6: themed you know, Briars ice cream things or whatever.

999
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back,

1000
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about our theories for as Dead

1001
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: and we're back. Okay, Avengers Doomsday. We know there's gonna

1002
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: be X Men in it. You know there's gonna be

1003
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: mutants in it. How what cheap do we think that

1004
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: we'll have. Let's talk about this first. Xaviery and Magneto

1005
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: obviously are front facing in the mini trailer that they

1006
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 1: are in that little scene read to me like the

1007
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: moment they died ten minutes into the movie.

1008
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, so, you.

1009
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: Know, but what do they what is will they appear

1010
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 1: in a larger sense, and what would their relationship be

1011
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: if in do.

1012
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 2: If indeed they do appear, You're right.

1013
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna be in like a ten minute

1014
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 3: cold open like they did for Days of Future Past.

1015
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be something along the lines of that.

1016
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 3: I also think there's a version where they really take

1017
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 3: from that and we see them kind of sending Gen

1018
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 3: two Spider Man, like that's how Jane got the we

1019
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 3: learned is they're doing some kind of multiversal movement, be

1020
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: a Kitty.

1021
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: Pride or whatever. I don't know.

1022
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 3: I'm I'm very intrigued to see, but I'm also ready.

1023
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 3: I love those actors, But like, how many times.

1024
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: Have we killed that Charles Xavier.

1025
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 3: We've killed We've killed Patrick Stewart, Charles Xavier so many times.

1026
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 3: He's been killed by Jean Gray, He's been killed by

1027
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 3: fucking wonder Now, who's basically the MCU's version of g Gray.

1028
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: At this point, like, we get it, he's gonna die.

1029
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 3: But what I really want to know is like, does

1030
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 3: them being in it mean that we won't get a

1031
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 3: younger version of them in the same movie.

1032
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: Are they saving that for Secret Wars?

1033
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: Right?

1034
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 2: That's probably what I think, Jason.

1035
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 3: What do you think their status quo of their relationship

1036
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 3: is going to be.

1037
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be allied again. I think it's

1038
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: going to be like recently broken up based on the

1039
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: kind of uh, you know, long running structure of their relationship,

1040
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: which is that Charles is the more like integrationist, like

1041
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: we can we can show our worth to the people

1042
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: in power and show that we'll play ball and we're

1043
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: not a threat, you know, while also being you know,

1044
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: putting up a strong deterrence you know, mechanisms showing people

1045
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: how how powerful we are and letting them know like,

1046
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: don't mess with us, but we're happy to work with you.

1047
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: And then and I think we'll have a magneto that's like, oh, Charles,

1048
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: you naive little bitch.

1049
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: Like their style.

1050
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're inventing technologies and weapons and developing superpowered people

1051
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: all the time whose main target is going to be us.

1052
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: That's where it's always going to go. They can't let

1053
00:56:55,239 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: a a race of people this powerful flow, and there

1054
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,479
Speaker 1: will always be an incentive to, if not totally wipe

1055
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: us out, keep us at numbers small enough.

1056
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 2: That we are contruction weaponize us. Yes, right, that's always

1057
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: the way.

1058
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 1: I think that that will be the shape of their relationship.

1059
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 3: Okay, so then what do we want the X Men's

1060
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 3: role to be in Doomsday? If it is what we

1061
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 3: look what we think it looks like, which is some

1062
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 3: kind of like their kids are playing a role in it,

1063
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 3: and maybe, you know, maybe Doom is trying to do

1064
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 3: some kind of like I don't know, Jesus style, like

1065
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 3: killing all the kids of the superheroes.

1066
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1067
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like what Tony's Robert Downel union has

1068
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 3: been hinting at. But where do you see the X

1069
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 3: Men's place, Like, are they going to be in the

1070
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 3: main MCU with us? Is it going to be this

1071
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 3: incursion or are we going to be seeing these different

1072
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 3: universes kind of coming together as a sort of battle

1073
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 3: world situation.

1074
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: Interesting, I think it's going to be. I think it's

1075
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: gonna be a hodgepodge of different ones. I think we're

1076
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: going to get characters from altern into mentions, whether that's

1077
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: Jack Man or Deadpool or whoever. I think we're going

1078
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: to get through Sadie Sink for instance. I think we're

1079
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: going to realize that there is a community of young

1080
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: mutants living underground currently living.

1081
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: Love that kind of like a Morlocks type situation, and

1082
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: not literally.

1083
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: Underground, but like training at the X Mansion under the

1084
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: guise of being regular kids. I think that that makes

1085
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: and then I think we're going to kind of retcon

1086
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: that to be like, oh, this has been going on

1087
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: for decades, like they've been doing this.

1088
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also wonder if maybe there's a way, like

1089
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 2: we found.

1090
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 3: Out Kamala was a mutant obviously in uh in her

1091
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 3: TV show and Miss Marvel, but I'm wondering also if

1092
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,479
Speaker 3: there's gonna be something about how like the incursions or

1093
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: the inhumans or whatever it is kind of spark this

1094
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: new wave of mutations. So maybe they don't have to

1095
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 3: explain why they haven't been doing it for a long time,

1096
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 3: and maybe they kind of will just do a version

1097
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 3: where in the six on six or in the you know,

1098
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 3: nine nine nine, they're gonna say, hey, this, whatever's happening

1099
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 3: right now is making this spate of mutations, and that

1100
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,479
Speaker 3: could even explain why Piter starts having a secondary meaning.

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00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: Yes, and I think that within that, we simply must

1102
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: have an Avengers or a sex Men fight. It's gotta happen,

1103
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: you can't, you know, when you look at the the

1104
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: way superheroes are put together in the MCU and in comics,

1105
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: like it's it's like the thor Tony fight. First they fight,

1106
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: then they team up. And so there's gotta be that

1107
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: moment where the X Men aren't sure what side the

1108
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: Avengers are on. It's the same thing Avengers aren't sure

1109
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: who the fuck the X Men are even, Yeah, like

1110
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: why against Doom? Does one of them think Doom is

1111
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: the good guy and doesn't realize it? And and I

1112
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: think we're gonna get a x Men versus Avengers showdown

1113
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: in this movie.

1114
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 2: Oh that would be so freaking cool.

1115
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 3: Okay, So when we think about that, what would your

1116
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 3: if you're putting together a roster of like five Avengers,

1117
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: it's a mixture of Avengers and X Men who kind

1118
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 3: of realize and team up. Like, who are some of

1119
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,439
Speaker 3: your most hyped team ups that you want to see

1120
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 3: on screen between your MCU characters and your X Men characters.

1121
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: Well, I think let's start with the Avengers. I think

1122
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna I think we have Steve. Here's the question,

1123
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: do we see of alt universe Tony.

1124
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: As I know, I'm trying to work that out to

1125
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess no.

1126
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no, Yeah, I would say. I think

1127
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Steve. I think it's gonna be like

1128
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be Carol Danvers. I think it's

1129
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: gonna be the Hulk. I think it's gonna be Spider

1130
01:00:55,600 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: Man on not on the Avengers, if they remember him

1131
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: by this point. That's if they remember him by this point,

1132
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: and Doctor Strange and probably you know Vision and Scarlet Witch,

1133
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:20,439
Speaker 1: but on the mutant side and on the and then

1134
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: because I think she's gonna be like fuck you guys,

1135
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: like it's all.

1136
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 3: I think she's gonna come back obviously as we knew,

1137
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 3: because she never really dies. And I think what will

1138
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 3: happen is she will probably be with Magneto and they'll

1139
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 3: be like, this is my door, like and I think

1140
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 3: they will do that, Okay.

1141
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: And then I think it's gonna be I think it's

1142
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: gonna be Magneto, his daughter, Scarlet Witch and and a

1143
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: roster of young X Men high headlined by Jean Gray Scott.

1144
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: Probably Wolverine, I think the I think Classics. I think

1145
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: maybe night.

1146
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 2: Crawler, a little Colossus, a little Classis. Yeah, I think

1147
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 2: you're right, And then I think is probably.

1148
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: Going to be there too. Sorry, oh yeah, on the

1149
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: Avengers side.

1150
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, then I also wonder like how quickly I'd probably

1151
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 3: say we get like a five to ten minute You know,

1152
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 3: you want something that evokes like cap picking up thors Hammer,

1153
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 3: end game.

1154
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 2: You want those big moments. Then who is your dream?

1155
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 3: Like, Okay, well, now we're splitting off for the mission

1156
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 3: and we know we're on the same side. Like, who

1157
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 3: do you which X Men and Avengers do you want

1158
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 3: to see team up?

1159
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 4: Well?

1160
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: I think they will eventually. I think that after the

1161
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: fight they all team up to take down Dune.

1162
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, is there any characters you particularly want to see

1163
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 3: interact from the MCU and from the X Men. I

1164
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 3: think like a Logan as much as it's like, you know,

1165
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 3: kind of basic the whole, like Logan, Steve of.

1166
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 2: It All, Man haf Time, I think is really fun.

1167
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: That well, because I think there's a world in which

1168
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: I think there's a world in which depending on what

1169
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: universe Logan comes from. He's done missions with Steve exactly.

1170
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 2: That's the fun thing. Like, I think there's a lot

1171
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 2: of silliness there.

1172
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 3: The same with I think that I would love to

1173
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 3: see kind of your Spider Man and your Iceman, like

1174
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 3: your younger heroes team up. I mean, we know that

1175
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 3: it's gonna hypothetically be Kelsey Grammar Beast, but I also

1176
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised to see Nicholas Holt's kind of younger Beast.

1177
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: I think he's really great.

1178
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm interested to see that aspect of it, Like

1179
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 3: who do they think they should team up? I mean,

1180
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 3: I just this is two people from the same universe,

1181
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 3: But like I want to see come like Kamala Khan

1182
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 3: and Peter Parker together, Like that's so long overdue for me,

1183
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 3: so I will that would be interesting because she's a mutant,

1184
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:43,439
Speaker 3: but she is.

1185
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,919
Speaker 1: Idolizes the Avengers, so like we're actually good.

1186
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 3: And also I think if we have someone who's gonna

1187
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 3: be at the school where we know that she is going,

1188
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 3: I think that it could be very interesting to have

1189
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 3: her basically be the one making the arguments scientifically, just

1190
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 3: like we know that she Immani does in real life

1191
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,919
Speaker 3: and imman Vaalani with Figy where she kind of makes

1192
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 3: these law arguments publicly with him. I think we could

1193
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 3: see Kamala at the X Mansion having the argument that

1194
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 3: we've always had in the comic shop with each other

1195
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 3: to Charles.

1196
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 2: Xavier, like, well, why won't you let him in?

1197
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 3: He's a kid who is mutated and Charles is like, no,

1198
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 3: he's not like a mutant, you know. I think we

1199
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 3: could see her kind of playing that in character role.

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01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Ian great core Storm and Thor. We know

1201
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 3: that they have a lot of tension, a lot of love.

1202
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 2: I love that.

1203
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: My my. Here's the thing that I wonder, whether it's

1204
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: doomsday or post doomsday, Yeah, what is the political what

1205
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: is the political consciousness of the X Men the Mutants

1206
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: at this time exactly? Are they like this outlaw semi militant,

1207
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:02,919
Speaker 1: like a mutant liberation kind of organization or are they

1208
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: a more do they water it down? That's why I

1209
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: need they're just a superhero team. Okay.

1210
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 3: So I would say if they wanted my gut says,

1211
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 3: if they felt like they wanted to do something unexpected,

1212
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 3: And I would say that if if she is Jean

1213
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 3: Gray Sadie Sinc. And I would also say it's been

1214
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 3: very interesting to see people bring up the typhoid Mary's suggestions.

1215
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 3: I would obviously love that she is a mutant, but

1216
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 3: I do think the age difference between her and Matt

1217
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 3: doesn't work.

1218
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 2: That's a very.

1219
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 3: Important part of her plot, in my opinion, not to

1220
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 3: tie a woman to a man, but it is she

1221
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 3: tries to kill him, he tries to kill her. It's

1222
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 3: a whole thing. But I do think that you could

1223
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 3: be onto a very unique way of introducing the X Men,

1224
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 3: which is essentially introducing them as a liberatory force and

1225
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 3: that being something that the Avengers rub up against because

1226
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 3: they're like, but look how well we've assimilated, and everyone's like,

1227
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 3: but you actually haven't, and you're fucking it up for

1228
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 3: all these other people who live with powers, who are

1229
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 3: being prosecuted, who are being put in the you know,

1230
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 3: Department of Damage Control prisons. I also wonder if that's

1231
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,439
Speaker 3: why the X Men are coming out, if they're coming

1232
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 3: out from underground because of the DODC doing everything Magne

1233
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 3: I said that would happen when people with powers were public.

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01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that I wonder about the effect of

1235
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: some of these like interdimensional X men who come from

1236
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: the it's like the Rachel Summers issue right exactly where

1237
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: she comes from a future where it's just fucking crazy

1238
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: and the mutants are enslaved and put in camps and

1239
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: exterminated and used as like.

1240
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 2: Hunting dogs, yeah, and like weapons, and.

1241
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder what the I think there will be

1242
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: a kind of radicalizing dynamic. I hope when some of

1243
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: these interdimensional mutants come to the six one six and

1244
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: and these young mutants are like, obviously they can see

1245
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: the way things are going with the Department of Damage

1246
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: Control and like energy dampeners and all these other and

1247
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: the super powered prison and all those things, right, and

1248
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: they're thinking that, well, obviously this isn't good, but this

1249
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: is like probably a rational reaction to the existence of

1250
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: superpowered individuals like thor like the Hulk, et cetera. And

1251
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: then these interdimensional mutants come to the six one six

1252
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, no, no, no, you don't get it. Well,

1253
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: here's where it's going. It's going with you with a

1254
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: leisha on and they're usually to hunt down your people.

1255
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: That's where it's going.

1256
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 3: I think that's a really great point because also that

1257
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 3: could tie into that end sequence from the Marvels where

1258
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 3: we meet you know, Beast and we see Monica Rambo

1259
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 3: with Beast.

1260
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 2: Because also if you even think.

1261
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 3: About what has gone on in that world, they've had sentinels,

1262
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 3: they've seen people get destroyed, they even though they have

1263
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 3: tried to stop.

1264
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,919
Speaker 2: Things, and from as far as we know, from the end.

1265
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 3: Of Days of Future Past, there's like some weird like

1266
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 3: everything's good again. But then we've seen Logan, so we

1267
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 3: don't really know what the timeline is going to be.

1268
01:07:55,520 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 3: But I think that what you're saying makes them sense

1269
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 3: because also that could tie in really well with some

1270
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 3: of the best stuff that they're doing in Debt of

1271
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 3: or where they're playing with these ideas of like who

1272
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 3: is a superhero, who isn't, who gets punished this kind

1273
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 3: of violence of the anti vigil Anti task Force, and who.

1274
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 2: They're aiming that violence at.

1275
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 3: I think that some of those threads could end up

1276
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 3: playing a really big part in setting up this kind

1277
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 3: of more radical notion of what you need to be

1278
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 3: as a superhero, and the idea of people who are

1279
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 3: powered actually starting to protect their own community instead of

1280
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 3: always working with the government always aligning themselves with these

1281
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 3: organizations that ultimately throughout the MCU history have always betrayed.

1282
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 2: Them or put them in jail or been run by Nazis.

1283
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 3: Like, I think it's time to reimagine what the superhero

1284
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 3: framework is. And I do think that whether or not

1285
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 3: Doomsday and Secret Wars work, which I'm hoping they do,

1286
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 3: I think that X Men gives them a chance to

1287
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 3: do that over the next fusons.

1288
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: And like we said, I think Sadie Sink potentially being

1289
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: Jean Gray, I think is tremendously exciting because it tells

1290
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: us that potentially Charles Xavier School exists, but it is

1291
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 1: just as far as everybody knows, like a regular school

1292
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: while in secret young Mutants train there. It's got the

1293
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: Blackbird under the fucking basketball cork, all that stuff. Like

1294
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: I think that that is that is very possible with

1295
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: Sadie Sink's inclusion in Brand New Day, Like, I hope

1296
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:34,799
Speaker 1: that's the case.

1297
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 3: Okay, Jason, Then I'm sure you've been getting asked this

1298
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 3: a lot. I've been getting asked this a lot. Let

1299
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,560
Speaker 3: us talk about.

1300
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 2: If she is playing Jean Gray.

1301
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 3: People keep asking me why would they introduce here in

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Speaker 3: a Sony movie.

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Speaker 2: Why would they andreuce are in a Sony movie?

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Speaker 3: So my thing is one, Currently Spider Man is the

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Speaker 3: most successful property that the MCU is involved in, and

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Speaker 3: the excitement and the amount of numbers that Trey Lagal

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Speaker 3: prove that point, right.

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Speaker 2: I would also.

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Speaker 3: Say Destin is somebody they've worked with specifically inside the

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Speaker 3: MCU with that law, and as we know from other

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Speaker 3: movies like Multi Versts of Madness, Spider Man's New York

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Speaker 3: and Tom Holland, spider Man is the MCU, right, So

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Speaker 3: all of that is why it works. Secondarily, people have

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Speaker 3: said to me, well, would they want to introduce her there?

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Speaker 3: Does it open them up legally to issues with Sony?

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Speaker 3: This is Disney. If Disney is introducing an X Men

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Speaker 3: character in this Sony movie, they will have had lawyers

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Speaker 3: and contracts and all kinds of stuff that protects them

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Speaker 3: and let Sony know, hey, we're kind of giving you

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Speaker 3: a boon hair like this. If this really is her

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Speaker 3: and we introduce her like you're getting something from it,

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Speaker 3: we're getting something from it.

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Speaker 2: So even though even me, like a year ago.

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Speaker 3: Probably I think put post even post fantastic for I

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Speaker 3: may have said on this very podcast that I don't

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Speaker 3: know that they would do it. I think that the

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Speaker 3: state therein now actually makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: And also we know that.

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Speaker 3: They're trying to introduce mutants. We know they're trying to

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Speaker 3: introduce X Men. The first time we heard the X

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Speaker 3: Men ninety two slash ninety seven theme again was in

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Speaker 3: Miss Marvel, So we know that they are not as

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Speaker 3: precious as we once thought they were. So I think

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Speaker 3: this is a very high possibility. And I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's a legal issue for Disney, who are some of

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Speaker 3: the most litigious people in the world.

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Speaker 1: No, I think it's the fact is that while Sony

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Speaker 1: owns the film rights to Spider Man, this is not

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Speaker 1: like a Sony movie in the way that like Venom

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Speaker 1: is a Sony exactly. It's co produced. It's co produced

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Speaker 1: by Marvel, which makes a Geen Gray appearance absolutely possible,

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Speaker 1: and they're you know, I don't want to like bore

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Speaker 1: people with the way it's structured, but like, basically the

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Speaker 1: deal is that Marvel and Sony co produce MCU Spider

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Speaker 1: Man films, Disney co finances in part in exchange for

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Speaker 1: an equal portion of the film's profits. While they also

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Speaker 1: make all the money from the merchandising rights. So Sony

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Speaker 1: makes most of the money from Spider Man movies in

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Speaker 1: the MCU and the UH, and Disney takes a cut,

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Speaker 1: but there is that is a shared The Spider Man

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Speaker 1: MCU world is a shared space in the way that

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Speaker 1: like Venom and Morbius are not.

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Speaker 3: Oh no yeah and don't have like Marvel doesn't really

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Speaker 3: have much approval as those movies are being made, which

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Speaker 3: is why things often change at the end and they

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Speaker 3: have a lot of reshoots, whereas this is a movie

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Speaker 3: being directed by the guy who was originally supposed to

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Speaker 3: be directing these two massive Avengers movies and who is

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Speaker 3: clearly after wonder Man after what we've seen so far

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Speaker 3: from this Spider Man tree Law also like saying, hey, guys,

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Speaker 3: maybe it should have been right.

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Speaker 1: So like so functionally functionally, introducing Jean Gray in a

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Speaker 1: in Brand New Day is like not that different from yes,

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Speaker 1: introducing her in Doomsday. There's like other like obviously like

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Speaker 1: Brand New Day would stream on Netflix, I think not

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Speaker 1: Disney Plus because Sony is a separate streaming deal.

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Speaker 3: It would probably be it would probably end up going

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Speaker 3: to Disney later on thereis certain amount of time, but.

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Speaker 1: Also but creatively it's not different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would also say as well, think about

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Speaker 3: it this way, right, Fantastic Four couldn't hit a bill,

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Speaker 3: Thunderbolts couldn't hit a bill.

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Speaker 2: It looks like this movie is gonna hit a bill.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna hit a bill. I mean, it was eight

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Speaker 1: hundred million views in something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like if if you introduced Geen Gray in

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Speaker 3: the first MCU movie that has made a billion dollars,

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Speaker 3: every single person says, oh, the X Men are going

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Speaker 3: to be a success. So I think those are the elements.

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Speaker 3: If it is Gene and not some other character or

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Speaker 3: know too much noise around, too much noise around it

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Speaker 3: at this point. But if it is her, then I

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Speaker 3: think that they will have made a smart choice. And

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Speaker 3: if it is her and the conversation is is it her,

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Speaker 3: then this movie could even make two bill, which we

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Speaker 3: haven't seen for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're tremendous excited for the X Men to finally

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Speaker 1: hit the MCU.

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Speaker 2: We need it.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode of Xtra Vision, we're breaking down

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Speaker 1: this week's news and bringing you more Dare Evil Board again.

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Speaker 1: The Freaky Daredevil board, Let's look back at the history

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Speaker 1: of Darth Maul. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: Why x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and

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Speaker 1: Rosie Night and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Klefman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wax.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman.

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Speaker 2: And Heidi. Our disc called moderate, though