WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Bijan or Bust? 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.000 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:16.560 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.479 screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:32.320 Star Fresco. And now your hosts, I see a stand back, 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:45.919 Patrick Walker and Kyle Yeoman's one. It's time for an 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:50.640 offseason addition of Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company, 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.360 the official coffee of the Dallas Cowboys. Welcome into the 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:58.040 SWBC studios at the Star in Frisco. We're about to 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.720 break down more Cowboys news throughout the off season. Of course, 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.360 we are sixteen days away from the NFL Draft. We'll 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:07.000 talk a little bit of draft. We're gonna talk a 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:11.960 little bit of wide receiver today as well, some news breaking, 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.520 maybe not with the Cowboys, but around a potential Cowboys 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.679 target at one point in time. Alongside Isaiah stand Backpatrick 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.520 no C. Walker, We've got Chris Beam running everything in 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.440 the Backham Kyle Yeoman's gentlemen, how we doing fantastic? How 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.000 you doing? Isaiah? You good man? How about yourself? I'm good. 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:34.440 So as much as we missed talking about it, as 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.080 much as we wanted to talk about it over and 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.120 dover and dover and over again. And I mean we 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.520 built it into the rundown because every that's exactly what 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:44.520 fans want to hear, right, they want to hear about 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.600 Odell Beckham Junior. It's what they want, and we missed 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.040 talking about it. But guess what that saga is officially 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:55.000 over right, the doors officially closed. Odell Beckham Junior assigned 0:01:55.040 --> 0:02:00.880 with the Baltimore Ravens. The number is just it's it's 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.680 hard to say it. I didn't get their actual numbers. 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.480 I heard the up to so it's fifteen guarantee, Yeah, million, 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:11.079 one year, great job front office. Yeah, so that was 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.400 gonna be the topic of the conversation. Would you rather 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.680 have Brandon Cooks, who you got this offseason you had 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:22.400 to trade a fifth round pick for him, or would 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.040 you rather have Odell Beckham Junior and pay the price 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.080 to act that the Ravens just paid for him fifteen 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:32.360 million over one year, eight up to eighteen million this season. 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:34.640 It's not that simple of a question, Kyle, What do 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.200 you mean? You know why? It's not that simple. It's 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.080 not that simple. It's pretty simple. It's pretty simple. It's simple, 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.160 but it's not simple. Tell me why it's so complicated. 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:44.480 I'm a complicated Listen up with with Brandon Cooks. Right, 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.520 half of his contract or a majority of his contract 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.799 is being covered by his former team. Yeah, so by 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.040 had of having him on the team, you do not 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.680 You don't, you don't. You don't strap yourself, right, You 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:57.960 don't hand strap yourself to not being able to acquire 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.000 more people, right. Okay, so by having Brandon Cooks, you 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.600 have a deep threat, which is what you needed. Sure, Okay, 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.080 you have somebody who's accomplished, which is what you needed. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.760 You have somebody who is smart, which is what you needed, 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:11.280 who's gonna allow for you to run the offense that 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.600 you want to run. You have somebody who has multiple 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.359 thousand yards seasons, which is what you wanted. Right, And 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.000 all of a sudden, now you're still in a position 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.200 where you can still go out and acquire more guys 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.760 if you want to, not only through the draft, but 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.720 you can still go through free agency. Should you please 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:30.520 and acquire more guys? Flip the script. You go over 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.920 to Odell Beckham. Had you acquired Odell Beckham for the 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.120 number that he was just acquired for by the Baltimore Ravens. 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:40.200 You now are not in a position to go out 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.920 and continue adding to that position group or any other 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.760 position group. So I say it's not as simple because 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.360 it's not as much. It's not as simple as a 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:52.160 Brandon Cook's versus Odell Beckham. It's it's not just those 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.400 two side by side. It's looking at it and saying, hey, 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.480 what did the front office have to take into account 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.400 to be able to make an educated, informed decision by 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.800 making this the decision to go with Brandon Cooks, who 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.520 might not be as dynamic of a receiver as Odo'beckham 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:08.200 has been at one point in time. We don't know 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.760 where he's at now. However, he is pretty dog on 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.400 good receiver. You add him to a roster. Dad already 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.880 has another really good receiver on your roster on the 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.240 opposite side now, and you still can go add pieces. 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.960 That's why I say it's not as simple, but it is. 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.440 You know, it's funny to me, and I tweeted it, 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.839 but I'm gonna say it here again. Odell Beckham Junior. 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.279 He hopped on Twitter when the rumors were running rampant 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.359 that he was asking for close to twenty million dollars, 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:34.479 and he made sure that he tweeted who said I 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.600 was asking from up to twenty million dollars. I'm just 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.440 saying four's not enough. And fast forward to now much 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.719 more Ravens eighteen million max value, fifteen guaranteed. I know 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.680 some people say, oh, well, the eighteen is to max value. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:50.880 Hear me out, fifteen is guaranteed between his signing bonus 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.960 and fifteen guarantee is guaranteed with an opportunity to earn 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:59.080 up to eighteen. I would have preferred Brandon Cooks over 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:04.120 a twelve million dollars Odell Beckham Junior. Yeah, so I 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:08.160 most certainly prefer him over a fifteen million dollars guaranteed 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.280 Odell Beckham Junior. And that is before I start start 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.800 factoring in what you were talking about, Isaiah. What Kyle 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.440 knows so eloquently two torn acls and he's over the 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:22.480 thirty year old horizon. Okay. But also Brandon Cooks has 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:27.440 one more thousand yard receiving season than does Odell Beckham Junior. 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:29.839 So we know what Odell Beckham Junior was in his 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.760 prime in his years with New York Giants. But we 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.800 also know that while he's still highly productive. He's also 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:39.520 not that New York Giants guy. We don't know that 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.599 Brandon Cooks is still not in his prime, right. Brandon 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.360 Cooks hasn't had durability issues. He's well rest season ending issues, 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:51.640 especially especially coming off of last season in his fat 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.600 with the Texans, and he was just that wasn't right. 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:59.760 So his rep count okay. He's rested, he's healthy, rejuvenated, 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.159 is where he wants to be, right. So kudos to 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.720 Odell Beckham Junior, because I think we can all agree, 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.600 we're all player advocates when it comes to getting your back. 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.719 Gonna get your back. Congratulations Odell Beckham. You got a 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.880 team to almost pay you're asking price. But from a 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:21.080 Cowboys standpoint and no version of the multiverse, was I 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:25.560 going to be okay with Odell Beckham Junior at twelve plus, 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.520 let alone fifteen with a max of eighteen. I'm on 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.279 a record on the show and on every other podcast 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.800 that I've been on saying I would have preferred a 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:38.159 reunion with t Y Hilton over a more expensive Odell 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.360 Beckham Junior. So what do you do? You're gonna get 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:44.200 Brandon Cooks. I'm fine, I still want Ty, and this 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:47.000 was I'm glad you said that mail back question this week, 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.960 does t Y Hilton still fit into this mix? Yes, 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.760 I think he does. But from a players standpoint, having 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.840 proven that you can still be an impact guy, you're healthy, now, 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.440 I think his value exceeds what his fit would be 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:01.440 here in Dallas. So I think if you're t Y Hilton, 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.640 you're saying I can get more playing time and a 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.359 higher salary somewhere else. Now that higher salary won't be 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:10.000 fifteen million guaranteed, but it'll be higher than what the 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.720 Cowboys would pay, simply because the Cowboys wouldn't need as 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.360 much from him in twenty twenty three, so they wouldn't 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.000 pay him as much. So from a player standpoint, I 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:20.720 don't know that he would ACQUI us to that. From 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:24.160 a team standpoint, absolutely, give me all the talented, give 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.480 me all the former pro bowlers, give me all. Do 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.120 you really think that Dallas would lowball him much more? 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.320 I don't. I wouldn't call it a lowball. I wouldn't 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.080 call it a lowball. I T t Y don't. It's 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:37.320 the value versus need equation, So I don't think it 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.360 would be lowballing. I think if you from a players standpoint, 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:44.120 he might feel his lowballing. What would you give Ty two? 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.240 I give him too. I think that's too low. Here's 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.480 him his standpoint, and that's fair. Here's my thing about 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:55.840 t Y that people don't necessarily realize. It's not this 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.360 isn't Madden, this isn't just going I'm picking up a 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.640 guy because he's on the street. Did not play in 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.880 the regular season or for much of the regular season 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:08.040 last year because he didn't want to. He wanted to 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.480 be around his kids. He wanted to watch his family 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:12.600 grow up. He wanted to be able to attend high 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.000 school sporting events. He wanted to be able to live 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.840 his life a little bit around his family. Ty came 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.160 in ready to go, and credit to him for that, 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.000 veteran move, ready to go, came in and made an 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:28.920 impact immediately. So with that being said, just because he 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:30.760 came in ready to go and he made an impact 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.560 and the Cowboys of course loved him, and he came 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.360 in and did what he needed to do and did 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.440 his job, doesn't mean he wants to turn back around 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.320 and go to training camps. It doesn't mean he doesn't 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:42.360 want to go back around and go to the week one, 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.000 So keep that in mind. Yes, if the Cowboys want him, 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.200 go get him, because I think as a veteran presence 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.640 in that room, he helped. I think if you add 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:53.640 him into the mix with a Brandon Cooks so Michael 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:57.800 Gallup a CD Lamb, that is a nasty, nasty trio. 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.559 And you've got some young guys. Yeah, a draft pick. 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.480 You've got young guys. Oh, we grab one in the 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.360 draft as well. We'll see about that. That's gonna be 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.440 a topic of conversation in a second. But if you 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.240 want to go get t Y Hilton, do it. But 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.600 t Y Hilton's gonna have to return that. He's gonna 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.439 have to want that. So don't think that it's cut 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:20.120 and drops Kyle. Just you want him, absolutely, yes, I do, guys, 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.480 Will t Wise dessert guys, he's the cherry on top. 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.000 He sprinklos and sprinklos winner And you know something is 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.400 he's a dessert. End of the year. December, you need 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.320 a guy you called t Y? Yeah, I like it, 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:37.080 which I put on a two shirt. He's the dessert. 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:41.240 He's the thank you t Y and December if you 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.880 need a guy called t Y. All right, So Patrick 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:48.040 brought this up. Patrick alluded to this, First, I want 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.440 to hit the actual like the exact numbers on Odell 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.200 Beckham's contract thirteen point eight three to five guaranteed its 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:58.480 signing fifteen million average up to eighteen million in bonuses. 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.720 He's only a four million million dollar cap hit this year, 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.000 but then the Ravens are going to sprinkle that out 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.840 over the next four years, sprinkle starting with next year 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:08.960 with he may not even be on the roster, but 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:10.960 his cap HiT's going to be close to eleven million. 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:14.320 So that's not gonna be great. Dead cap of eleven million, 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.400 that's a lot. But yeah, then on the other side, 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.920 Brandon Cooks, he counts as six million against the cap, 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.440 but that's half and half with the Texans. Who's throwing 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.240 him the ball? We don't know yet. They don't know yet. 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.600 It's not gonna be Tyler Huntley, Lamar Jackson or in 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.160 certain name here I really know. Reportedly Lamar was in 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:36.280 on trying to help recruit um ob J. But that 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:40.000 doesn't mean that all his will suddenly my money. Yeah, 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.200 no doing my money, all his will suddenly in happy land. 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:48.880 So it's just a perk, no clue, no clue. So 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:56.640 with the Cowboys current wide receiver situation, current wide receiver situation, 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:00.280 right now, you got number one, Ceedee Lamb, number two, two, 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.120 Brandon Cooks, number three maybe to be if you really 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.800 want to look at it. However, you want Michael Gallup. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.760 And then you have these other names like a semi 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:11.040 Phohoko who hasn't necessarily stepped. Let's talk about the guarantees. 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.680 Those three plus Turpin he's gonna be there, he'll be 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:18.920 there for Yeah. So usually you carry five receivers active active, 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.280 maybe six if if you have a special team, so 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.959 maybe six. Let'll think about this. Ye. So yeah, two spots. 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.840 Are you okay with where you're at right now? Or 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.160 do you go spend and I'm not gonna I'm not 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.400 gonna say a draft pick. I'm gonna say a premium 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:36.280 draft pick at wide receiver. Do you go get one 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.640 of those Jackson Smith and Jigbuzz if he falls, or 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:42.040 at Quinston Johnson from TCU if he falls, do you 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.040 go get a premium first round, second round, maybe even 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.079 the third round wide receiver like you did last year 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:50.439 with Jalen Tolbert. Knowing what you have back here at 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:54.480 home with the addition of Cooks. I'm probably out as 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:56.920 on a first rounder, okay, I'm not out on the 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:58.800 sick and a third round. I'm certainly not on the 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.920 third because I'm not out on the same So if 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.839 the Cowboys standpad at fifty eight and they grab one 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.280 of these wide receivers at fifty eight, I'm completely fine 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.400 with that because if you look at the cook situation, 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.880 it's not a long term situation. As we have this conversation, 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.800 so you're going to while you're about to be able 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.040 to enjoy Cooks for twenty twenty three, you also need 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.600 to have the duality of being able to look beyond 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.000 twenty twenty three and say, okay, who's going to be 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.959 the long term complimentary piece four CD LAMB. We hope 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:26.640 it's Michael Galli. But if we want to keep it 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.239 as a three headed monster, because we know how effective 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.040 and dynamic this offense can be with a three headed 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.520 monster at wide receiver, then yes, you're gonna need a 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.600 post Cook's plan right now, effective this April. So yeah, 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.560 I'm completely fine with it that second round, in the 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.920 second round, and most certainly in the third. The reason 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.959 I would shy away from it in the first is 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.520 because I'm still looking at offensive line for example. So 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.520 knowing that, and if you're on the clock at twenty six, 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:55.959 and let's just assume that Bijean is long gone, you're 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.160 on the clock at twenty six, Bijean is long gone, 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.959 and you have either Lawrence or a Vela still sitting there. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.400 You don't take a wide receiver. You gotta put somebody 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.880 in front of Dak Prescott to help protect that man. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:09.880 And then you circle back in the second round and 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.360 you say, okay, well what do we have here? And 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.600 then you go from there. Some of the second round 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.320 receivers on my board, Quentin Johnston is the top of 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.840 that list. He's very much so a borderline first round 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.240 second round grade for me. Zay Flowers from Boston College 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.600 where she rice from SMU, Jalen Hyatt from Tennessee, Josh Down, 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:29.199 North Carolina, Parker Washington, Penn State, and Marvin Men's from Oklahoma. 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.040 There are options in the second round. And you just 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.680 named several who were a part of the Cowboys official 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:38.959 thirty visits ye Jalen Hyatt, Josh Downs, I mean Downs. 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.959 I don't think Downs was a thirty visits. I had Hyatt, 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:47.319 Flowers and oh wait, I have Downs and Rice. Those 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.080 are the three. Okay, I would double checkdowns. I do 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.960 have downs. But nonetheless, these are guys the Cowboys interested in, 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.320 and I think Downs confirmed at the combine that there 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.200 was some interest, even if informal. So cowboys are looking, 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.559 they're looking, and they're gonna get somebody. I don't think 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:04.880 there's any question about that. The question is that's five 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:08.439 spots gone. Let's assume five at some point in time 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:10.800 in the draft, they're gonna acquire a receiver. I think 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.000 we all pretty much are in agreement with that. Okay, 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.199 So that's five receivers of your six. So now you 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.840 got Tolbert, Semi, Phijoko and the rest of the committee 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.880 that they acquire that is already sitting there in practice squad, 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.200 and they're guys that they're gonna be acquiring onto their 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:32.400 practice squad battling for one spot. I love it, one one. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.560 I like it. I love it. If you assume the 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.080 Beamer situation where if you need a guy in December, 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:43.240 you call it t y dessert. Yeah, go get your desert. 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:48.160 Which one of those guys, which one of these younger 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:52.200 receivers that you're hoping take a step up, has the 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.600 biggest possibility of taking a step up? Which one do 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:59.160 you have the most confidence in, the most the most confidence. Yeah, 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:03.040 I'm gonna go with Okay, because I think that he's 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:08.040 had a year to sit back and and really appreciate 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:12.080 what a role on special teams means to this team, 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.360 and how he got a chance to sit there and 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.920 watch nor Brown, you know, kind of sin and then 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.760 obviously disappear based upon who's that quarterback. But he got 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.440 a chance to see how long he stuck around doing 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:26.160 one thing really well while you're still developing a receiver. 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.400 And I think that this past year, having taken that 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.760 off right rehabbing and working with Britt Brown and the 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:36.280 rest of the rehabilitation squad, I think he's he's learned 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:40.360 if he hadn't already known what hard work really is 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.400 and what's required to compete at this level and stay 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:47.080 on a roster, whether it's out this team or another team. Right, 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.560 I think that time is very important to sit back 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:53.560 and just analyze where you're at and what value you present, 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.640 because you recognize during that time that the train keeps moving. Right. 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.120 So I'm not assuming that he that he came the 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.240 big head or anything like that. But I'm saying I 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.120 have spent a lot of time and you recognize how 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.600 minute you are in comparison to the grand scheme of things, 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.200 and it gives you a greater appreciation for the opportunities 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.600 that you have present to you. Here's why I am 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:13.920 And my answer is also Semi for Hoco for a 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.960 slightly different reasons but not entirely different. Been in the 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:23.280 system multiple years. McCarthy loves him, Dak Prescott, there's chemistry there. Hell, 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:27.640 Simi even has chemistry with the backups. Okay, Semi Forhohoco 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:32.000 was one of the more dominant players in this last 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.960 year's training camp. I mean, it's I and you can 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.560 attest to a cow. Didn't it feel like every day 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.280 Semi for Hoco was making a play of some sort. Yeah, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.480 it also felt like there was every day he was 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:47.200 making a mistake of some spirit consistency. I feel like 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.920 if you put it even if that considered, you put 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.160 it all in a package. And it's hard for me 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:57.080 to compare that to the struggles that Jalen Tilbert, for example, 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.400 had in year one, And say, Jalen Tilbert has the 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.880 edge going into twenty three over Semi for Hoko, who 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:05.960 even with the mistakes and he still needs to grow, 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.159 and he's coming off of the injury. He's been in 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.960 the system. He understands the quarterbacks, he understands the timing, 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.600 and he's been developing, not simply as because he came 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.840 in as more of a speed guy, but he's learning 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:18.880 how to attack the ball at the high point. He's 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.119 getting better with running his route, So you're seeing some 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.879 development there Whereas if you look at the others who 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.320 would have to fight with him to get that sixth spot, 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:30.560 presumably you don't have as many pros versus as many cons. 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.879 So I think the lead horse for WR six right 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.320 now has to be Semi for Hoko, and I think 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.120 that's going to be the case. And for Hoko, much 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.080 like Tobert and some of these other guys, he's in 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.080 the dack yard as well this offseason working with Dak 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.200 Prescott and now Brandon Cooks and some of these other guys. 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.000 So I think the edge goes to Semi for Hoco 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:50.119 for WR six. But if you're talking about one of 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.320 the more interesting position battles going into the summer, like 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.919 White receiver especially if the Cowboys do what we expect, 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.920 which is draft a guy. Oh man, that's that's gloves off. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.400 It's gonna it's gonna be. You also have to start 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.360 looking at what value do each of those guys bring 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:09.040 you talk, you talk about Simi Phoco is more verse 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:13.480 now in special teams Simko. Simi Phoco also has a 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:17.119 larger frame, Okay, and he's more physical. So when you 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.880 look at the receiver room as it stands, who's your 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:26.159 physical receiver? Uh? Probably Phoco six three two twenty. I 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.800 mean that's probably your I'm like nor Brown was your 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:33.800 physical guy. He get his hands dirty, exactly right, crackback blocks, 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.280 you know, get in there, being the wing position, blocking Dana. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.679 Even think about just getting outside, think about just getting 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.439 on the outside and having a contested catch. Guy. You 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.680 don't really have one of those on your roster right now. 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.000 So if you're going to draft a guy, maybe that's 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.480 where you look. Maybe that's the type of receiver, the 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.440 proto type that you're looking at because you need that out. 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:54.600 So how big is that from a quarterback standpoint of 0:18:54.680 --> 0:19:00.000 having different elements of receiver, different different different types. Yeah, 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.119 all this stuff matters. I mean every situation presents something different, right, 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.560 So you have an advantage in disadvantage in every situation, 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:08.240 every play, on every passing scheme. So you need to 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:10.399 have a go to guy. Sometimes I need to come 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:11.719 in there and have a quick guy that I need. 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:13.520 I need to be able to beat beat the slot 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.960 I sometimes I beat a nickelback. Sometimes I need a 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.360 route specialist, right. Sometimes I need a sure handed guy. 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:21.800 Sometimes I need a guy that's go up there and 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:23.480 go grab that thing and just eat some syrial off 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.880 somebody helmet right. Doesn't have to be the best ball, 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:27.439 but if I put it up there, he's gonna come 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:29.920 down with him. So, depending on the situation, you need 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:33.000 the versatility of guys. There are very few teams in 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.560 this league that have the same style of receiver. Very 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.440 few better look at Kansas City to make that point. 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.920 Kansas City they get specialists at wide receiver. They get 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.040 the speech or they get the route runner, you know, 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.680 they get the tough guy who wants to get dirty 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:50.840 and crack a chest plate. Yeah. So that I think 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:52.720 the Cowboys, and this is something we kind of touched 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.840 on a few weeks ago. It's interesting because I've seen 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.960 the Cowboys start to borrow from a formula like what 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.719 you're seeing in Kansas City, especially at the wide receiver position. 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.040 And if you do that, the formula is proven, and 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.840 that excites me. It's it's fine to do wide receiver 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:13.040 by committee if your committee is elite in everything they 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.359 specialize in. Ceedee Lamb is elite, is becoming elite, and 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:18.879 arguably he is now elite. And what he specializes in, 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.679 Brandon Cooks is elite, and what he specializes in speed 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:24.000 taking the top off Michael Gallup if he can have 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.440 a bounce back year. He's elite at eating cereal off 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.000 of the top of a guy's helpme, okay, and then 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.399 you add from there. So for me, I see what 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:37.480 the cowboys doing at this moment as eerily reminiscent of 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.480 what the Kansas City chiefs have been doing for years now. 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:43.000 They lost Tyreek Hill in the trade, or not lost him, 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:44.520 because you trade the guy, you didn't lose him. So 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:46.840 they trade Tyreek Hill, and everybody said, oh, well, the 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:51.360 sky is gonna fall. Patrick Mahomes is gonna turn into kryptonite. 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.879 Not so fast. What do you do? You bring in Juju, 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.800 a guy who was specialized he specialized in this particular thing, 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.640 which complimented me coole with special go dogs, which complimented 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.320 who specialized in the certain thing. Cowboys can stand to 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.879 learn from that formula, and I think they are. Ah Man, 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.760