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Speaker 1: Patrick Walker and Kyle Yeoman's one. It's time for an
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Speaker 1: SWBC studios at the Star in Frisco. We're about to
Speaker 1: break down more Cowboys news throughout the off season. Of course,
Speaker 1: we are sixteen days away from the NFL Draft. We'll
Speaker 1: talk a little bit of draft. We're gonna talk a
Speaker 1: little bit of wide receiver today as well, some news breaking,
Speaker 1: maybe not with the Cowboys, but around a potential Cowboys
Speaker 1: target at one point in time. Alongside Isaiah stand Backpatrick
Speaker 1: no C. Walker, We've got Chris Beam running everything in
Speaker 1: the Backham Kyle Yeoman's gentlemen, how we doing fantastic? How
Speaker 1: you doing? Isaiah? You good man? How about yourself? I'm good.
Speaker 1: So as much as we missed talking about it, as
Speaker 1: much as we wanted to talk about it over and
Speaker 1: dover and dover and over again. And I mean we
Speaker 1: built it into the rundown because every that's exactly what
Speaker 1: fans want to hear, right, they want to hear about
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior. It's what they want, and we missed
Speaker 1: talking about it. But guess what that saga is officially
Speaker 1: over right, the doors officially closed. Odell Beckham Junior assigned
Speaker 1: with the Baltimore Ravens. The number is just it's it's
Speaker 1: hard to say it. I didn't get their actual numbers.
Speaker 1: I heard the up to so it's fifteen guarantee, Yeah, million,
Speaker 1: one year, great job front office. Yeah, so that was
Speaker 1: gonna be the topic of the conversation. Would you rather
Speaker 1: have Brandon Cooks, who you got this offseason you had
Speaker 1: to trade a fifth round pick for him, or would
Speaker 1: you rather have Odell Beckham Junior and pay the price
Speaker 1: to act that the Ravens just paid for him fifteen
Speaker 1: million over one year, eight up to eighteen million this season.
Speaker 1: It's not that simple of a question, Kyle, What do
Speaker 1: you mean? You know why? It's not that simple. It's
Speaker 1: not that simple. It's pretty simple. It's pretty simple. It's simple,
Speaker 1: but it's not simple. Tell me why it's so complicated.
Speaker 1: I'm a complicated Listen up with with Brandon Cooks. Right,
Speaker 1: half of his contract or a majority of his contract
Speaker 1: is being covered by his former team. Yeah, so by
Speaker 1: had of having him on the team, you do not
Speaker 1: You don't, you don't. You don't strap yourself, right, You
Speaker 1: don't hand strap yourself to not being able to acquire
Speaker 1: more people, right. Okay, so by having Brandon Cooks, you
Speaker 1: have a deep threat, which is what you needed. Sure, Okay,
Speaker 1: you have somebody who's accomplished, which is what you needed.
Speaker 1: You have somebody who is smart, which is what you needed,
Speaker 1: who's gonna allow for you to run the offense that
Speaker 1: you want to run. You have somebody who has multiple
Speaker 1: thousand yards seasons, which is what you wanted. Right, And
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now you're still in a position
Speaker 1: where you can still go out and acquire more guys
Speaker 1: if you want to, not only through the draft, but
Speaker 1: you can still go through free agency. Should you please
Speaker 1: and acquire more guys? Flip the script. You go over
Speaker 1: to Odell Beckham. Had you acquired Odell Beckham for the
Speaker 1: number that he was just acquired for by the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 1: You now are not in a position to go out
Speaker 1: and continue adding to that position group or any other
Speaker 1: position group. So I say it's not as simple because
Speaker 1: it's not as much. It's not as simple as a
Speaker 1: Brandon Cook's versus Odell Beckham. It's it's not just those
Speaker 1: two side by side. It's looking at it and saying, hey,
Speaker 1: what did the front office have to take into account
Speaker 1: to be able to make an educated, informed decision by
Speaker 1: making this the decision to go with Brandon Cooks, who
Speaker 1: might not be as dynamic of a receiver as Odo'beckham
Speaker 1: has been at one point in time. We don't know
Speaker 1: where he's at now. However, he is pretty dog on
Speaker 1: good receiver. You add him to a roster. Dad already
Speaker 1: has another really good receiver on your roster on the
Speaker 1: opposite side now, and you still can go add pieces.
Speaker 1: That's why I say it's not as simple, but it is.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny to me, and I tweeted it,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say it here again. Odell Beckham Junior.
Speaker 1: He hopped on Twitter when the rumors were running rampant
Speaker 1: that he was asking for close to twenty million dollars,
Speaker 1: and he made sure that he tweeted who said I
Speaker 1: was asking from up to twenty million dollars. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying four's not enough. And fast forward to now much
Speaker 1: more Ravens eighteen million max value, fifteen guaranteed. I know
Speaker 1: some people say, oh, well, the eighteen is to max value.
Speaker 1: Hear me out, fifteen is guaranteed between his signing bonus
Speaker 1: and fifteen guarantee is guaranteed with an opportunity to earn
Speaker 1: up to eighteen. I would have preferred Brandon Cooks over
Speaker 1: a twelve million dollars Odell Beckham Junior. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: most certainly prefer him over a fifteen million dollars guaranteed
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior. And that is before I start start
Speaker 1: factoring in what you were talking about, Isaiah. What Kyle
Speaker 1: knows so eloquently two torn acls and he's over the
Speaker 1: thirty year old horizon. Okay. But also Brandon Cooks has
Speaker 1: one more thousand yard receiving season than does Odell Beckham Junior.
Speaker 1: So we know what Odell Beckham Junior was in his
Speaker 1: prime in his years with New York Giants. But we
Speaker 1: also know that while he's still highly productive. He's also
Speaker 1: not that New York Giants guy. We don't know that
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks is still not in his prime, right. Brandon
Speaker 1: Cooks hasn't had durability issues. He's well rest season ending issues,
Speaker 1: especially especially coming off of last season in his fat
Speaker 1: with the Texans, and he was just that wasn't right.
Speaker 1: So his rep count okay. He's rested, he's healthy, rejuvenated,
Speaker 1: is where he wants to be, right. So kudos to
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior, because I think we can all agree,
Speaker 1: we're all player advocates when it comes to getting your back.
Speaker 1: Gonna get your back. Congratulations Odell Beckham. You got a
Speaker 1: team to almost pay you're asking price. But from a
Speaker 1: Cowboys standpoint and no version of the multiverse, was I
Speaker 1: going to be okay with Odell Beckham Junior at twelve plus,
Speaker 1: let alone fifteen with a max of eighteen. I'm on
Speaker 1: a record on the show and on every other podcast
Speaker 1: that I've been on saying I would have preferred a
Speaker 1: reunion with t Y Hilton over a more expensive Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham Junior. So what do you do? You're gonna get
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks. I'm fine, I still want Ty, and this
Speaker 1: was I'm glad you said that mail back question this week,
Speaker 1: does t Y Hilton still fit into this mix? Yes,
Speaker 1: I think he does. But from a players standpoint, having
Speaker 1: proven that you can still be an impact guy, you're healthy, now,
Speaker 1: I think his value exceeds what his fit would be
Speaker 1: here in Dallas. So I think if you're t Y Hilton,
Speaker 1: you're saying I can get more playing time and a
Speaker 1: higher salary somewhere else. Now that higher salary won't be
Speaker 1: fifteen million guaranteed, but it'll be higher than what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys would pay, simply because the Cowboys wouldn't need as
Speaker 1: much from him in twenty twenty three, so they wouldn't
Speaker 1: pay him as much. So from a player standpoint, I
Speaker 1: don't know that he would ACQUI us to that. From
Speaker 1: a team standpoint, absolutely, give me all the talented, give
Speaker 1: me all the former pro bowlers, give me all. Do
Speaker 1: you really think that Dallas would lowball him much more?
Speaker 1: I don't. I wouldn't call it a lowball. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: call it a lowball. I T t Y don't. It's
Speaker 1: the value versus need equation, So I don't think it
Speaker 1: would be lowballing. I think if you from a players standpoint,
Speaker 1: he might feel his lowballing. What would you give Ty two?
Speaker 1: I give him too. I think that's too low. Here's
Speaker 1: him his standpoint, and that's fair. Here's my thing about
Speaker 1: t Y that people don't necessarily realize. It's not this
Speaker 1: isn't Madden, this isn't just going I'm picking up a
Speaker 1: guy because he's on the street. Did not play in
Speaker 1: the regular season or for much of the regular season
Speaker 1: last year because he didn't want to. He wanted to
Speaker 1: be around his kids. He wanted to watch his family
Speaker 1: grow up. He wanted to be able to attend high
Speaker 1: school sporting events. He wanted to be able to live
Speaker 1: his life a little bit around his family. Ty came
Speaker 1: in ready to go, and credit to him for that,
Speaker 1: veteran move, ready to go, came in and made an
Speaker 1: impact immediately. So with that being said, just because he
Speaker 1: came in ready to go and he made an impact
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys of course loved him, and he came
Speaker 1: in and did what he needed to do and did
Speaker 1: his job, doesn't mean he wants to turn back around
Speaker 1: and go to training camps. It doesn't mean he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to go back around and go to the week one,
Speaker 1: So keep that in mind. Yes, if the Cowboys want him,
Speaker 1: go get him, because I think as a veteran presence
Speaker 1: in that room, he helped. I think if you add
Speaker 1: him into the mix with a Brandon Cooks so Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup a CD Lamb, that is a nasty, nasty trio.
Speaker 1: And you've got some young guys. Yeah, a draft pick.
Speaker 1: You've got young guys. Oh, we grab one in the
Speaker 1: draft as well. We'll see about that. That's gonna be
Speaker 1: a topic of conversation in a second. But if you
Speaker 1: want to go get t Y Hilton, do it. But
Speaker 1: t Y Hilton's gonna have to return that. He's gonna
Speaker 1: have to want that. So don't think that it's cut
Speaker 1: and drops Kyle. Just you want him, absolutely, yes, I do, guys,
Speaker 1: Will t Wise dessert guys, he's the cherry on top.
Speaker 1: He sprinklos and sprinklos winner And you know something is
Speaker 1: he's a dessert. End of the year. December, you need
Speaker 1: a guy you called t Y? Yeah, I like it,
Speaker 1: which I put on a two shirt. He's the dessert.
Speaker 1: He's the thank you t Y and December if you
Speaker 1: need a guy called t Y. All right, So Patrick
Speaker 1: brought this up. Patrick alluded to this, First, I want
Speaker 1: to hit the actual like the exact numbers on Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham's contract thirteen point eight three to five guaranteed its
Speaker 1: signing fifteen million average up to eighteen million in bonuses.
Speaker 1: He's only a four million million dollar cap hit this year,
Speaker 1: but then the Ravens are going to sprinkle that out
Speaker 1: over the next four years, sprinkle starting with next year
Speaker 1: with he may not even be on the roster, but
Speaker 1: his cap HiT's going to be close to eleven million.
Speaker 1: So that's not gonna be great. Dead cap of eleven million,
Speaker 1: that's a lot. But yeah, then on the other side,
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, he counts as six million against the cap,
Speaker 1: but that's half and half with the Texans. Who's throwing
Speaker 1: him the ball? We don't know yet. They don't know yet.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be Tyler Huntley, Lamar Jackson or in
Speaker 1: certain name here I really know. Reportedly Lamar was in
Speaker 1: on trying to help recruit um ob J. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that all his will suddenly my money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no doing my money, all his will suddenly in happy land.
Speaker 1: So it's just a perk, no clue, no clue. So
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys current wide receiver situation, current wide receiver situation,
Speaker 1: right now, you got number one, Ceedee Lamb, number two, two,
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, number three maybe to be if you really
Speaker 1: want to look at it. However, you want Michael Gallup.
Speaker 1: And then you have these other names like a semi
Speaker 1: Phohoko who hasn't necessarily stepped. Let's talk about the guarantees.
Speaker 1: Those three plus Turpin he's gonna be there, he'll be
Speaker 1: there for Yeah. So usually you carry five receivers active active,
Speaker 1: maybe six if if you have a special team, so
Speaker 1: maybe six. Let'll think about this. Ye. So yeah, two spots.
Speaker 1: Are you okay with where you're at right now? Or
Speaker 1: do you go spend and I'm not gonna I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say a draft pick. I'm gonna say a premium
Speaker 1: draft pick at wide receiver. Do you go get one
Speaker 1: of those Jackson Smith and Jigbuzz if he falls, or
Speaker 1: at Quinston Johnson from TCU if he falls, do you
Speaker 1: go get a premium first round, second round, maybe even
Speaker 1: the third round wide receiver like you did last year
Speaker 1: with Jalen Tolbert. Knowing what you have back here at
Speaker 1: home with the addition of Cooks. I'm probably out as
Speaker 1: on a first rounder, okay, I'm not out on the
Speaker 1: sick and a third round. I'm certainly not on the
Speaker 1: third because I'm not out on the same So if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys standpad at fifty eight and they grab one
Speaker 1: of these wide receivers at fifty eight, I'm completely fine
Speaker 1: with that because if you look at the cook situation,
Speaker 1: it's not a long term situation. As we have this conversation,
Speaker 1: so you're going to while you're about to be able
Speaker 1: to enjoy Cooks for twenty twenty three, you also need
Speaker 1: to have the duality of being able to look beyond
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three and say, okay, who's going to be
Speaker 1: the long term complimentary piece four CD LAMB. We hope
Speaker 1: it's Michael Galli. But if we want to keep it
Speaker 1: as a three headed monster, because we know how effective
Speaker 1: and dynamic this offense can be with a three headed
Speaker 1: monster at wide receiver, then yes, you're gonna need a
Speaker 1: post Cook's plan right now, effective this April. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm completely fine with it that second round, in the
Speaker 1: second round, and most certainly in the third. The reason
Speaker 1: I would shy away from it in the first is
Speaker 1: because I'm still looking at offensive line for example. So
Speaker 1: knowing that, and if you're on the clock at twenty six,
Speaker 1: and let's just assume that Bijean is long gone, you're
Speaker 1: on the clock at twenty six, Bijean is long gone,
Speaker 1: and you have either Lawrence or a Vela still sitting there.
Speaker 1: You don't take a wide receiver. You gotta put somebody
Speaker 1: in front of Dak Prescott to help protect that man.
Speaker 1: And then you circle back in the second round and
Speaker 1: you say, okay, well what do we have here? And
Speaker 1: then you go from there. Some of the second round
Speaker 1: receivers on my board, Quentin Johnston is the top of
Speaker 1: that list. He's very much so a borderline first round
Speaker 1: second round grade for me. Zay Flowers from Boston College
Speaker 1: where she rice from SMU, Jalen Hyatt from Tennessee, Josh Down,
Speaker 1: North Carolina, Parker Washington, Penn State, and Marvin Men's from Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: There are options in the second round. And you just
Speaker 1: named several who were a part of the Cowboys official
Speaker 1: thirty visits ye Jalen Hyatt, Josh Downs, I mean Downs.
Speaker 1: I don't think Downs was a thirty visits. I had Hyatt,
Speaker 1: Flowers and oh wait, I have Downs and Rice. Those
Speaker 1: are the three. Okay, I would double checkdowns. I do
Speaker 1: have downs. But nonetheless, these are guys the Cowboys interested in,
Speaker 1: and I think Downs confirmed at the combine that there
Speaker 1: was some interest, even if informal. So cowboys are looking,
Speaker 1: they're looking, and they're gonna get somebody. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any question about that. The question is that's five
Speaker 1: spots gone. Let's assume five at some point in time
Speaker 1: in the draft, they're gonna acquire a receiver. I think
Speaker 1: we all pretty much are in agreement with that. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's five receivers of your six. So now you
Speaker 1: got Tolbert, Semi, Phijoko and the rest of the committee
Speaker 1: that they acquire that is already sitting there in practice squad,
Speaker 1: and they're guys that they're gonna be acquiring onto their
Speaker 1: practice squad battling for one spot. I love it, one one.
Speaker 1: I like it. I love it. If you assume the
Speaker 1: Beamer situation where if you need a guy in December,
Speaker 1: you call it t y dessert. Yeah, go get your desert.
Speaker 1: Which one of those guys, which one of these younger
Speaker 1: receivers that you're hoping take a step up, has the
Speaker 1: biggest possibility of taking a step up? Which one do
Speaker 1: you have the most confidence in, the most the most confidence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Okay, because I think that he's
Speaker 1: had a year to sit back and and really appreciate
Speaker 1: what a role on special teams means to this team,
Speaker 1: and how he got a chance to sit there and
Speaker 1: watch nor Brown, you know, kind of sin and then
Speaker 1: obviously disappear based upon who's that quarterback. But he got
Speaker 1: a chance to see how long he stuck around doing
Speaker 1: one thing really well while you're still developing a receiver.
Speaker 1: And I think that this past year, having taken that
Speaker 1: off right rehabbing and working with Britt Brown and the
Speaker 1: rest of the rehabilitation squad, I think he's he's learned
Speaker 1: if he hadn't already known what hard work really is
Speaker 1: and what's required to compete at this level and stay
Speaker 1: on a roster, whether it's out this team or another team. Right,
Speaker 1: I think that time is very important to sit back
Speaker 1: and just analyze where you're at and what value you present,
Speaker 1: because you recognize during that time that the train keeps moving. Right.
Speaker 1: So I'm not assuming that he that he came the
Speaker 1: big head or anything like that. But I'm saying I
Speaker 1: have spent a lot of time and you recognize how
Speaker 1: minute you are in comparison to the grand scheme of things,
Speaker 1: and it gives you a greater appreciation for the opportunities
Speaker 1: that you have present to you. Here's why I am
Speaker 1: And my answer is also Semi for Hoco for a
Speaker 1: slightly different reasons but not entirely different. Been in the
Speaker 1: system multiple years. McCarthy loves him, Dak Prescott, there's chemistry there. Hell,
Speaker 1: Simi even has chemistry with the backups. Okay, Semi Forhohoco
Speaker 1: was one of the more dominant players in this last
Speaker 1: year's training camp. I mean, it's I and you can
Speaker 1: attest to a cow. Didn't it feel like every day
Speaker 1: Semi for Hoco was making a play of some sort. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it also felt like there was every day he was
Speaker 1: making a mistake of some spirit consistency. I feel like
Speaker 1: if you put it even if that considered, you put
Speaker 1: it all in a package. And it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to compare that to the struggles that Jalen Tilbert, for example,
Speaker 1: had in year one, And say, Jalen Tilbert has the
Speaker 1: edge going into twenty three over Semi for Hoko, who
Speaker 1: even with the mistakes and he still needs to grow,
Speaker 1: and he's coming off of the injury. He's been in
Speaker 1: the system. He understands the quarterbacks, he understands the timing,
Speaker 1: and he's been developing, not simply as because he came
Speaker 1: in as more of a speed guy, but he's learning
Speaker 1: how to attack the ball at the high point. He's
Speaker 1: getting better with running his route, So you're seeing some
Speaker 1: development there Whereas if you look at the others who
Speaker 1: would have to fight with him to get that sixth spot,
Speaker 1: presumably you don't have as many pros versus as many cons.
Speaker 1: So I think the lead horse for WR six right
Speaker 1: now has to be Semi for Hoko, and I think
Speaker 1: that's going to be the case. And for Hoko, much
Speaker 1: like Tobert and some of these other guys, he's in
Speaker 1: the dack yard as well this offseason working with Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott and now Brandon Cooks and some of these other guys.
Speaker 1: So I think the edge goes to Semi for Hoco
Speaker 1: for WR six. But if you're talking about one of
Speaker 1: the more interesting position battles going into the summer, like
Speaker 1: White receiver especially if the Cowboys do what we expect,
Speaker 1: which is draft a guy. Oh man, that's that's gloves off.
Speaker 1: It's gonna it's gonna be. You also have to start
Speaker 1: looking at what value do each of those guys bring
Speaker 1: you talk, you talk about Simi Phoco is more verse
Speaker 1: now in special teams Simko. Simi Phoco also has a
Speaker 1: larger frame, Okay, and he's more physical. So when you
Speaker 1: look at the receiver room as it stands, who's your
Speaker 1: physical receiver? Uh? Probably Phoco six three two twenty. I
Speaker 1: mean that's probably your I'm like nor Brown was your
Speaker 1: physical guy. He get his hands dirty, exactly right, crackback blocks,
Speaker 1: you know, get in there, being the wing position, blocking Dana.
Speaker 1: Even think about just getting outside, think about just getting
Speaker 1: on the outside and having a contested catch. Guy. You
Speaker 1: don't really have one of those on your roster right now.
Speaker 1: So if you're going to draft a guy, maybe that's
Speaker 1: where you look. Maybe that's the type of receiver, the
Speaker 1: proto type that you're looking at because you need that out.
Speaker 1: So how big is that from a quarterback standpoint of
Speaker 1: having different elements of receiver, different different different types. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all this stuff matters. I mean every situation presents something different, right,
Speaker 1: So you have an advantage in disadvantage in every situation,
Speaker 1: every play, on every passing scheme. So you need to
Speaker 1: have a go to guy. Sometimes I need to come
Speaker 1: in there and have a quick guy that I need.
Speaker 1: I need to be able to beat beat the slot
Speaker 1: I sometimes I beat a nickelback. Sometimes I need a
Speaker 1: route specialist, right. Sometimes I need a sure handed guy.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I need a guy that's go up there and
Speaker 1: go grab that thing and just eat some syrial off
Speaker 1: somebody helmet right. Doesn't have to be the best ball,
Speaker 1: but if I put it up there, he's gonna come
Speaker 1: down with him. So, depending on the situation, you need
Speaker 1: the versatility of guys. There are very few teams in
Speaker 1: this league that have the same style of receiver. Very
Speaker 1: few better look at Kansas City to make that point.
Speaker 1: Kansas City they get specialists at wide receiver. They get
Speaker 1: the speech or they get the route runner, you know,
Speaker 1: they get the tough guy who wants to get dirty
Speaker 1: and crack a chest plate. Yeah. So that I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and this is something we kind of touched
Speaker 1: on a few weeks ago. It's interesting because I've seen
Speaker 1: the Cowboys start to borrow from a formula like what
Speaker 1: you're seeing in Kansas City, especially at the wide receiver position.
Speaker 1: And if you do that, the formula is proven, and
Speaker 1: that excites me. It's it's fine to do wide receiver
Speaker 1: by committee if your committee is elite in everything they
Speaker 1: specialize in. Ceedee Lamb is elite, is becoming elite, and
Speaker 1: arguably he is now elite. And what he specializes in,
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks is elite, and what he specializes in speed
Speaker 1: taking the top off Michael Gallup if he can have
Speaker 1: a bounce back year. He's elite at eating cereal off
Speaker 1: of the top of a guy's helpme, okay, and then
Speaker 1: you add from there. So for me, I see what
Speaker 1: the cowboys doing at this moment as eerily reminiscent of
Speaker 1: what the Kansas City chiefs have been doing for years now.
Speaker 1: They lost Tyreek Hill in the trade, or not lost him,
Speaker 1: because you trade the guy, you didn't lose him. So
Speaker 1: they trade Tyreek Hill, and everybody said, oh, well, the
Speaker 1: sky is gonna fall. Patrick Mahomes is gonna turn into kryptonite.
Speaker 1: Not so fast. What do you do? You bring in Juju,
Speaker 1: a guy who was specialized he specialized in this particular thing,
Speaker 1: which complimented me coole with special go dogs, which complimented
Speaker 1: who specialized in the certain thing. Cowboys can stand to
Speaker 1: learn from that formula, and I think they are. Ah Man,
Speaker 1: that's so interesting because I feel like if they were
Speaker 1: to follow that path, they would need to add one
Speaker 1: more guy and they would be a physical, bodied wide
Speaker 1: receiver that's going to be a starting caliber guy on
Speaker 1: the outside. Which there's a couple of those guys in
Speaker 1: the draft. But for the most part, and even reports
Speaker 1: coming out lately that aren't necessarily surprising, but it actually
Speaker 1: helps the Cowboys is that the league isn't as high
Speaker 1: on this wide receiver class as the media is. That
Speaker 1: there's there's thoughts that these wide receivers are going to
Speaker 1: start slipping. Maybe not the top guys, maybe not the
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigbuzz, the Jordan Addison's, the Quentin Johnston's,
Speaker 1: but like that second tier, the names that I wrote
Speaker 1: read off earlier, they might slip this league. Apparently the
Speaker 1: league does not like it, or that's what the reports are.
Speaker 1: The league is not as infatuated with these wide receivers
Speaker 1: as the media is. So if you get fifty eight.
Speaker 1: Could that be subterfuge from just g we've seen that.
Speaker 1: You might see that, But to me, from Dallas's perspective,
Speaker 1: you might also see them what we talked about in
Speaker 1: the last episode, go out there and acquire a big
Speaker 1: boy tight end just because of what this tight end is.
Speaker 1: His name, Yeah, I just say his name, say his name,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he's from your school. Say his name from
Speaker 1: your school. I'm saying that there are guys out there
Speaker 1: that they might they might go out there and acquire
Speaker 1: because of what this, what Linda Wells has done with
Speaker 1: that tight end group historically, and no one getting versatile
Speaker 1: guys at that position group make it so that you
Speaker 1: don't have to have as deep of a receiving corps.
Speaker 1: That makes sense as a name. Darnielle Washington also one
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys official thirty visits. I had a conversation
Speaker 1: with Lunda kind of off the cuff last week about Darnell,
Speaker 1: and Lunda's eyes lit up. Yeah, big fan of Darnell Washington.
Speaker 1: There you go. So now, to be fair, there are
Speaker 1: a couple of other players that he's also a fan
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys potentially looking into first in the early
Speaker 1: second round. But that conversation was specific to Darnell, and
Speaker 1: I was just wondering, you know, what was his feel
Speaker 1: on him strengths, opportunities for improvement, and U Lunda really
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Speaker 1: what are you doing this time of year? Are you
Speaker 1: doing a lot of reading? Yeah, doing a lot of
Speaker 1: reading this time of day. What are some of the
Speaker 1: things that you're reading? Oh? Are you talking about this
Speaker 1: thing right here? To get all cowboys star? I mean
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? The draft? Did you You
Speaker 1: had a big part of that inju I did? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been reading this draft guide a lot here getting
Speaker 1: ready for the Draft here, Kyle, I'm literally looking forward
Speaker 1: to it. It's really informative. Yeah, that's the official twenty
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Speaker 1: It is like the amount of work that our guy
Speaker 1: Kyle put into that. Kurtis Will, Kurt Daniels, Michael Villeria, Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: everyone ever a great job, everybody, And thanks guys for
Speaker 1: letting me tap in on that and get, you know,
Speaker 1: an episode of the Science Lab and they're talking about
Speaker 1: that was the first thing I read science. You know,
Speaker 1: like you get a yearbook a lot of times, the
Speaker 1: first thing you do is you flip to your your
Speaker 1: own picture, you know, like that wasn't the case with me.
Speaker 1: I flipped right to your story and I read that's
Speaker 1: funny because me, I'm like Erica, but I do know
Speaker 1: I'm sensitive about my so I actually flew right past mine.
Speaker 1: I went straight to your work. I went straight to yours.
Speaker 1: Let me see what, let me not let me not
Speaker 1: read that, let me not read you a page. I
Speaker 1: went to gott which ones you go to? You went
Speaker 1: to find the centerfold you and then he took the
Speaker 1: state wrong wrong Cowboys Star Magazine. I went to page
Speaker 1: fifty two, Kyle, Oh, I know what I want at
Speaker 1: twenty six. Yeah, you won't want a big boy. Want
Speaker 1: a big boy, big fellow, big boy. Straight to the
Speaker 1: middle of the middle of the magazine. But he's holding
Speaker 1: up a picture of Osiris Torrence. It's not a it's
Speaker 1: not a centerfold poster that you can rip out, unfortunately. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe next year he's taking up the whole page. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's literal. Yeah, man, how much of how many of
Speaker 1: those would we have sold if we would have just
Speaker 1: put a big center fold like picture and it's b
Speaker 1: Jean Robinson edited into a Cowboys uniform, and it's just
Speaker 1: that it's just sold almost its bait. It would be basa,
Speaker 1: it would totally be all right, let's take some calls
Speaker 1: from Cowboys Nation. Shall we start things off in the
Speaker 1: great state of Florida. Dan oh is on the line. Dan,
Speaker 1: you're back on talking Cowboys. How's it going good? How
Speaker 1: you guys doing what you're doing? Great? Well, I want
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about the the O and
Speaker 1: D line. Okay, Okay, I know, I know Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: made a comment something to the effect that Steel should
Speaker 1: be the swing tackle. I think that's a huge mistake. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think you gotta have seventy three out at left tackle.
Speaker 1: You got to get a guard. You got to get
Speaker 1: a real road greater in this draft. And there are
Speaker 1: several and and and I think Patrick and and some
Speaker 1: of you other folks have said taken a guard at
Speaker 1: twenty six is and the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 1: I totally agree with that. Matter of fact, That's where
Speaker 1: I would go. He ottish solid. I think Zack Martin
Speaker 1: is Zach Martin. And everything I've seen and read about
Speaker 1: Terrence Steel is that he's making great progress in his rehab.
Speaker 1: You know, Tyrone I would give him his gold jacket.
Speaker 1: If he wants to be the swing tackle and can
Speaker 1: accept that position, I would go that route. But I
Speaker 1: don't see the sense and put in him in. He
Speaker 1: hasn't played an entire season since I think twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: so we're talking, you know, five six seasons. You know
Speaker 1: the best you know of what's that saying? The best
Speaker 1: ability is availability? He isn't given around that often. And
Speaker 1: I'd hate to see the continuity of that offensive line
Speaker 1: broken up because from one puzzle piece of a puzzle
Speaker 1: and then on the D line. I gotta be honest,
Speaker 1: I'm glad they got Hankins back. I mean, as I
Speaker 1: agree totally would pathic that manage the key up front.
Speaker 1: I wish we had gotten Carlos Watkins back. I really do.
Speaker 1: I think that is a big time lost. I mean, oh,
Speaker 1: diggi zuwa is solid. I think Chauncy Goldstein has got
Speaker 1: the ability at the potential to be something special inside
Speaker 1: at That's just my thoughts. I'm not a Neville Gallimore fan.
Speaker 1: I mean I watched every game. He seems to get
Speaker 1: washed a lot. I mean, if you remember that backbreaking
Speaker 1: throw to Kittle over the middle in the San Fran game,
Speaker 1: he's in coverage on the guy. Why if you look
Speaker 1: at that, he gets washed down the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: turns around seats you know, Kittle, and he faces him.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's good, but I don't know. Um anyway, that's
Speaker 1: just my nickel. I really think that. I think the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of his Dak bashers. I'm so tired of him.
Speaker 1: I mean, he played at an elite level. We have
Speaker 1: seen him play at an elite level. And I think
Speaker 1: two things. I do agree that making the change at
Speaker 1: the OC was was necessary, and I also think Bilbin
Speaker 1: just you know, I don't think he was getting the
Speaker 1: most out of those guys. I don't know anything much
Speaker 1: about this new guy other than you know he was
Speaker 1: Tom Landry. Well that's fifty years ago. Um, that was
Speaker 1: the offense, that was the offensive line coach. By the way,
Speaker 1: that that that was with Landry. Really, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. But uh, he's got to be
Speaker 1: in his early seventies at this point. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I just don't know if if that's a great fit.
Speaker 1: But again, you know, I'm sitting here and those guys
Speaker 1: are sitting there and making a decision, So that's something. Um,
Speaker 1: but again, I just think grabbing a guard is the
Speaker 1: most important thing. I think. Uh, I agree with the receivers. Um,
Speaker 1: I'd love to see t Y Milton back. I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's really I think I got something
Speaker 1: gone with him too, And I think you got to
Speaker 1: look at a comfortability factor. Completely agree, Dan, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for the call. Really appreciate you. And let's let's
Speaker 1: start with let's start with offensive line, because that's where
Speaker 1: he kind of wanted to go initially. And we've brought
Speaker 1: this topic of conversation up in terms of Terrence Steel,
Speaker 1: We've we've brought the topic of conversation up with Tyren Smith.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's all just a smoke screen? Do
Speaker 1: you think it's all just I hope so playing games.
Speaker 1: I mean, because it could be. It could be just
Speaker 1: playing that card just to kind of rile everybody up.
Speaker 1: It could be. And we know, as well as everyone
Speaker 1: else knows that Jerry Jones does love to stir the
Speaker 1: pot a bit every once in a while, keep the cowboys'
Speaker 1: names in the headlines and at the water cooler as
Speaker 1: talking points, and hopefully this is what that is. Just
Speaker 1: logistically speaking, though, and we talked about this in detail
Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago. I just don't see how how
Speaker 1: it makes great roster sense to demote Terrence Steele or
Speaker 1: try to move him inside, which is what some people
Speaker 1: are speculating might happen. I think Terrence ste he's proven
Speaker 1: that he's a really good starter at right tackle, and
Speaker 1: you keep with that. So if he's going to be
Speaker 1: on this roster, which it appears that he will be,
Speaker 1: and we'll see, if you know, barring any kind of
Speaker 1: other team making an offer that the Cowboys don't want
Speaker 1: to match because the Cowboys have a second round tender
Speaker 1: on him, they get a second round pick set c.
Speaker 1: But assuming that Tyren still is still on the team
Speaker 1: come September and he's healthy and ready to go, he
Speaker 1: has to be your starting right tackle. Don't create issues
Speaker 1: where issues don't exist because you already have issues to
Speaker 1: figure out. Guess what your left guard needs to be
Speaker 1: figured out. You need to figure out how you're going
Speaker 1: to do this Tyler Smith versus Tyron Smith thing. But
Speaker 1: on the left side. So on the right side, a
Speaker 1: healthy Terrence Steele plus Zach Martin, you got that side
Speaker 1: figured out don't go shuffling it unnecessarily. Tyron Smith. By
Speaker 1: the way, I mean since twenty twenty, he's played in
Speaker 1: seventeen games. Since twenty twenty, that's three seasons. He's missed
Speaker 1: two entire regular seasons. In terms of games worth of games,
Speaker 1: he's missed twenty four games in the last I'm not
Speaker 1: demoting Terrence do three seasons twenty four or that's not
Speaker 1: that's not even twenty four. That's terrible math on my part.
Speaker 1: That's thirty four games in the last two or three seasons. Isaiah.
Speaker 1: That's a lot, it's a lot um and unfortunately he
Speaker 1: can't help that. But when he's present, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's anybody who's had any complaints about his performance. No, Nope,
Speaker 1: he's an animal. But that's probable, that's that's a problem.
Speaker 1: But that's that's what he can control, right, So as
Speaker 1: long as Dallas Cowboys decided to keep him around, he's
Speaker 1: gonna control the controllables, and that's performing well when he's
Speaker 1: on the field. Now, the other aspect, that's for the
Speaker 1: upper management to figure out in terms of what that
Speaker 1: situation looks like. But when he's called upon and when
Speaker 1: he's on the field, he shows up until they started
Speaker 1: talking about his play is falling off. Hes gonna be around.
Speaker 1: I mean every time that he's played in at least
Speaker 1: double digit games since twenty thirteen, double digit game since
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, he's made a Pro Bowl. That's all it's been.
Speaker 1: He even played eleven games in twenty twenty one and
Speaker 1: he made a Pro Bowl. He is stiller, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's that's the biggest asterisk there. Quickly hit on the
Speaker 1: defensive line. He mentioned Neville Galimore and how he's been disappointing.
Speaker 1: He's not alone in that sentiment. I think Neville Gallimore
Speaker 1: is under the microscope as soon as training camp is
Speaker 1: underway in Oxnard. He I mean, he's going to be
Speaker 1: heavily scrutinized. Yes, yes, because of the role that they had,
Speaker 1: the role that they had set for him to fulfill.
Speaker 1: I think they wanted him to be what Hankins is.
Speaker 1: I don't think they wanted him to be more of
Speaker 1: a penetrator than versus being a run stopper. You know,
Speaker 1: I think he's he's kind of fallen into the category
Speaker 1: of a penetrator now instead of being that big, big
Speaker 1: man that really locks things up in a side he's
Speaker 1: more soul that he's more soul the ladder than the
Speaker 1: guy that's actually holding things up and being a John Hankins.
Speaker 1: So I think that they're hoping that he kind of
Speaker 1: fulfills that role. He kind of acknowledges that, Hey, we
Speaker 1: don't need more guys getting vertical of the field like
Speaker 1: we got. We have guys for that. Right to the
Speaker 1: point we were just talking about in regards the offense,
Speaker 1: we need guys that can go up there and clock
Speaker 1: some things up and consume blocks. And if you can't
Speaker 1: be that guy, then to Kyle's point, you're going to
Speaker 1: be heavily scrutinizing. And I hope that they address that
Speaker 1: in the draft again or in free agency again. But
Speaker 1: they need to add somebody behind big John Hankins. They
Speaker 1: have to add that. No secret, I was and remained
Speaker 1: high Nevill Gallimore. And I can tell you what I
Speaker 1: think the problem is with Nevil Gallimore. And I've said
Speaker 1: this before and a couple of Science Lab articles. He's
Speaker 1: a bowling ball, and with a bowling ball, bowling balls
Speaker 1: require momentum. So if you go back and you look
Speaker 1: at his film pre NFL and in the NFL. The
Speaker 1: more reps he gets, the more momentum he gets, the
Speaker 1: more of an impact player he is. Once you start
Speaker 1: to reduce those reps, he loses momentum, and then when
Speaker 1: you put him in the game, you're not going to
Speaker 1: see nearly as much impact. How Dan Quinn balances that
Speaker 1: going forward, knowing that he has so many guys that
Speaker 1: he can throw waves and waves of guys at opposing offenses,
Speaker 1: that's going to be the challenge. I have seen Nevill
Speaker 1: Gallimore be an impact player, but his biggest place, his
Speaker 1: biggest games he's had with the Cowboys, and prior to
Speaker 1: coming to the Cowboys has been games where he's logged
Speaker 1: a lot of reps. Once he gets going, he's very
Speaker 1: hard to stop. But until you get him going, he's
Speaker 1: not as hard to stop. So the talent is there,
Speaker 1: but he's very momentum based. So I call I refer
Speaker 1: to him as a bowling ball juggernaut. There you go,
Speaker 1: Juggernaut Marvel style. Once he gets going, there's nothing that's
Speaker 1: really stopped at him. But if you get him standing still,
Speaker 1: then it's easy to keep him from moving forward. So
Speaker 1: that's the perfect analogy for Nevill Gallimore. Now, as far
Speaker 1: as Carlos Watkinson is concerned, the Cowboys tried to keep him.
Speaker 1: Spoke with dan Quinn not one day before Colins Watkins
Speaker 1: went to the Arizona Cardinals. And then if you go
Speaker 1: and look at the Arizona Cardinals the deal they gave
Speaker 1: him one year of minimum deal. Obviously the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: willing to match that, maybe even go a little bit over.
Speaker 1: It just seems like Carlos Watkins decided that it was
Speaker 1: a better situation for him in Arizona. Maybe he gets
Speaker 1: more reps because they clearly at the defensive line, the interior,
Speaker 1: they don't have as many bodies vying for reps as
Speaker 1: the Cowboys do. So from a players standpoint, I want
Speaker 1: to play. It makes sense he wants to play, and
Speaker 1: if the money is equal or similar, there you go,
Speaker 1: and he's going to another dome team and a warm climate.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's going outside to Green Bay. So
Speaker 1: from a Carlos Watkins standpoint, I get it. But the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and dan Quinn, dan Quinn specifically told me he
Speaker 1: was hopeful and optimistic after they got Hankins that they
Speaker 1: could keep Watkins, but Watkins made his choice so kind
Speaker 1: of some clarity there. But Chauncey Ghoston needle point in
Speaker 1: due North, Osa or Diggi Zuwa is coming off of
Speaker 1: a breakout season. So we can't look at Osa and say, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: we feel like he can be if you're a Cowboys fan,
Speaker 1: so we feel like he can take the next step.
Speaker 1: He's already taken a huge step, so you have to
Speaker 1: now be excited about where he can go from here.
Speaker 1: A couple of things on that. I mean, first, you
Speaker 1: gotta also in this adds to your point, but you
Speaker 1: got to remember that when he was drafted in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan was the head of this defense. I mean
Speaker 1: it was one year and then it was Dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: so he might have had a role change. He might
Speaker 1: have been thought as a three technique, as a guy
Speaker 1: who can go sideline to sideline. I just went back
Speaker 1: and looked at my scouting report that I had him
Speaker 1: on had on him in the twenty tinety draft sideline
Speaker 1: to sideline for Nevill Gallimore, and I was like, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have bend, he doesn't have pass rush ability, but
Speaker 1: he's still somebody that's gonna he's gonna defend the run.
Speaker 1: He's gonna plug up gaps, He's gonna take up multiple gaps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love the bowling ball reference, I really do. And
Speaker 1: then the second thing on it is, if I were
Speaker 1: to say today what the pick would be at fifty eight,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna happen at twenty six. I
Speaker 1: would put a strong feeling that it would be Mazzi
Speaker 1: Smith from Michigan interior defensive line, big time one technique
Speaker 1: to come in and learn behind Jonathan Hankins. Really, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, Modsy Smith was the best run defender I
Speaker 1: watched in the interior defensive line in college football. So
Speaker 1: one pick first, pick one and two with the big
Speaker 1: fellows on the inside, Go watch excited, Go watch him
Speaker 1: for me. I'll send you. I'll send you some tape.
Speaker 1: I say, I want you to watch him for me.
Speaker 1: I want you to let me know what you think
Speaker 1: about it with definitely. All right, let's go to Brian
Speaker 1: and Iowa. You're on Talking Cowboys. Brian, how's it going, Hey,
Speaker 1: it's going pretty good. How are you guys doing it
Speaker 1: doing great? What's on your mind? Well? I just heard
Speaker 1: you guys talking about Hankins. I think that was the
Speaker 1: biggest prize in the off season for the Cowboys, and um,
Speaker 1: I believe that the Cowboys are not done doing third
Speaker 1: dude diligence in the free agency or um or a
Speaker 1: post draft. You know something that we don't know? Are
Speaker 1: you trying to trying to drop a scoop here? What
Speaker 1: what you got on them? No? I think Jerry and
Speaker 1: Steven are working their wheel magic of being the genius
Speaker 1: of businessmen that they are and showing the media that
Speaker 1: they're not afraid doing what they do best. Okay, and
Speaker 1: what is how do you expect them to use that
Speaker 1: over the next couple of weeks. I expect them to
Speaker 1: either trade up in the draft okay, or trade down
Speaker 1: to get multiple picks to get more valuable players that
Speaker 1: they feel like could help the team to get to
Speaker 1: that next step. Brian, I love this, and you just
Speaker 1: gave us the perfect transition into our third segment. Thank
Speaker 1: you for the call. We're going to take our second break.
Speaker 1: Brian and Iowa just set us up perfectly. Are they
Speaker 1: Cowboys going to pick at twenty six? Will they pick
Speaker 1: at twenty six or are there other options available? We'll
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Speaker 1: were the Cowboys at twenty six? Would you rather I'll
Speaker 1: keep it simple, trade up or trade down? In this draft?
Speaker 1: What would you rather do? Trade up, spend some picks,
Speaker 1: go get a higher quality prospect, or pull the parachute,
Speaker 1: get out and take in some high quality picks in return.
Speaker 1: It's the only options I have, only two. Give me
Speaker 1: the double parachute for three thousands. Wow. Double you're trading
Speaker 1: out twice. You're gonna trade down to thirty four and
Speaker 1: then to trade down to forty five. John Schneider approach.
Speaker 1: He trades out the seventh round. Um, yeah, go go
Speaker 1: get some more. Okay, get some more. I'm not necessarily
Speaker 1: for this year, but and you know, for years to come.
Speaker 1: But I don't want them trading out. I think twenty
Speaker 1: six is a good spot for words for what they
Speaker 1: need right now. I think they've done a great job
Speaker 1: positioning themselves before the twenty six pit. Okay, that's not
Speaker 1: a bad idea. If Vijon is not there at a round,
Speaker 1: and I've said it, if he's there, still in the
Speaker 1: clock at nineteen, still available at nineteen, you're on the phone,
Speaker 1: you should be making some calls. Assuming he's gone, and
Speaker 1: I think he's going top ten, definitely top fifteen. Um,
Speaker 1: put the parachute, get out of there, because I feel
Speaker 1: like the odds of you, anyone you pick at twenty
Speaker 1: six of Viala, notwithstanding, towards, notwithstanding, will be there for
Speaker 1: you at you know, thirty eight, thirty nine. And then
Speaker 1: you get back on a pick having already sent two
Speaker 1: picks away, which Kyle and I were laughing about before
Speaker 1: we got on, before we went hot, because you sent
Speaker 1: two fits away, one for Gilmore, one for Cooks. And
Speaker 1: we're not saying that's a bad thing, because it's not
Speaker 1: a bad thing. We're simply saying it's, you know, objectively,
Speaker 1: it's the fact you sent away two picks, and we
Speaker 1: love the reason you sent those away. However, here's a
Speaker 1: chance to get a pick back and a plus one back.
Speaker 1: And again, you're not talking I wouldn't double parachute like, no,
Speaker 1: we're not, we're not. But if you're talking about going
Speaker 1: from twenty six too, you know, high thirties, low forties,
Speaker 1: get you another pick still in a great position for
Speaker 1: early day too, I think i'd be I'm completely fine
Speaker 1: with that. I know a lot of Cowboys fans who
Speaker 1: will be sitting around all night on Thursday waiting to
Speaker 1: see who the Cowboys pick in the first round, just
Speaker 1: to find out that the Cowboys traded back, will be
Speaker 1: very upset. But we've also seen that just because you're
Speaker 1: upset one day doesn't mean you won't be elated at
Speaker 1: the next circle back to free agency if you need evidence,
Speaker 1: or even years draft too. A lot of people on
Speaker 1: Twitter were posting their reactions to Tyler Smith. I would
Speaker 1: absolutely trade a fun Day one for an electric day two. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a fair way. And you mentioned a lot of
Speaker 1: names earlier, the thirty visit names. If you're looking at
Speaker 1: bread crumbs with this Cowboys team the way that they
Speaker 1: brought in those thirty visits, those prospects are second round
Speaker 1: early second round picks. A lot of them are too
Speaker 1: rich for fifty eight. They're not going to be there
Speaker 1: at fifty eight, but they're also not valuable enough for
Speaker 1: twenty six exactly. So if you're looking at that, then
Speaker 1: that means trading down as a possibility to get multiple
Speaker 1: of those guys. Think about this, if if you were
Speaker 1: to trade up, I've heard of a couple landing spots.
Speaker 1: Sixteen is one. If they really wanted to go get
Speaker 1: up and try and get Bijeon. Bijean makes it out
Speaker 1: of the top fifteen, Bijean Robinson, the running back for
Speaker 1: Texas is there. It's sixteen, You get on the phone,
Speaker 1: you start making calls to try and get up to sixteen,
Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen. It's probably gonna cost you. You're twenty
Speaker 1: sixth overall pick, maybe a second rounder and then maybe
Speaker 1: like like a late round six. This question at twenty six.
Speaker 1: This is for all as in giggles. Okay, you have
Speaker 1: an option to get Bijan or an option to get
Speaker 1: a Vila. It's not even like you heat they're both
Speaker 1: at twenty Sorry, Steve, I'm asked at twenty six. Now
Speaker 1: I'm going straight to Bijean and I'm running that card.
Speaker 1: The reason I've been a long career Bijan I'm not
Speaker 1: even and I'm no, I'm not even gonna play that game.
Speaker 1: I think Bijan's a better player. I would say I
Speaker 1: was out on talking about Bijean because I eat in
Speaker 1: no world. I see him available at twenty six. But
Speaker 1: in this scenario, if he's there at twenty six, what
Speaker 1: are we even doing? Backflips? What have you been talking about? Seriously,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? I've I've heard some interesting things.
Speaker 1: If he's there twenty six, you grab Beijan to twenty six. Yeah, Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: you lose out on the villa. And I'm huge on
Speaker 1: a villa. But you lose out on the villa. Then
Speaker 1: what you can do, though, is you can package to
Speaker 1: move up in the second round from fifty eight and
Speaker 1: you go back and you you dress the offensive line there.
Speaker 1: So now you got your electric running back and you
Speaker 1: address your offensive line and then you go from there
Speaker 1: and figure it out. But yeah, I know you don't
Speaker 1: like drifting a running back to you at twenty six.
Speaker 1: That's almost like getting Beijan in the second round. I
Speaker 1: take basically, I'm taking emotions out of it. I'm taking
Speaker 1: emotions out. I'm not saying you are trust if you
Speaker 1: go watch, I'm looking at it for I get it.
Speaker 1: But he only do it my emotions. But he can
Speaker 1: only do as much as his offensive line allows. For
Speaker 1: his offensive line in Texas was absolute garbage. He still
Speaker 1: ran for fourteen hundred yards and twenty touchdowns. I think
Speaker 1: I think he's fine. Yeah, Ezekiel was kind of good
Speaker 1: in Cauage to so I mean, yeah, yeah, how long
Speaker 1: did you How long did he last year? Seven years? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's how long would alignment last year? WHOA are we talking?
Speaker 1: We're talking about Tyran Smith? Are we talking about I'm
Speaker 1: talking about I'm talking about Zach Martin. I'm talking about Fredericks.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you know what I mean. Like but
Speaker 1: Cyrus Torrence and Steve or not Travis Frederick and not
Speaker 1: Zach Martin. It is more comparable to put Bijean up
Speaker 1: against the OSU version of Ezekiel Elliot than it would
Speaker 1: be to put Torrence who a veal, up against Zach
Speaker 1: Martin or you know, Travis Frederick out of Wisconsin or
Speaker 1: Tyren Smith. It's those are two different conversations. I get it,
Speaker 1: over and kneed. I got a question. I got a question, Yes,
Speaker 1: I got it. Would you have taken Ezekiel Elliot at
Speaker 1: twenty six overall if that was the scenario. If the
Speaker 1: answer is yes, you just answered your question. I have
Speaker 1: to go back and look at what the rossal like
Speaker 1: back then. No, I mean in this scenario because again no, Bijean,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's easier to find a free
Speaker 1: agent running back than it is to find a dominant
Speaker 1: office alignment. Agree. That's that's my that's my only person.
Speaker 1: I agree that in a vacuum that is one accurate
Speaker 1: And there's no one who pounds the table more for
Speaker 1: RBS matter than be period hands down. That said, not
Speaker 1: all rbs are created the same, so what you will
Speaker 1: get in free agency is not always going to be
Speaker 1: what you might get if you have a shot at
Speaker 1: a Beijan or an Ezekiel Elliott. Could you have replaced
Speaker 1: to Marco Murray with the free agent running back? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got a thousand yards out of Darren mcfatten. But
Speaker 1: was Darren mcfatten ever going to be for you with
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott was for you in his prime? The answer
Speaker 1: is no. Is a free agent going to be what
Speaker 1: Bijan can be for you? No disrespect to any free agent,
Speaker 1: they all bring value to the table, but let's have
Speaker 1: a straight honest conversation. The answer is no. So if Bijan,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, is there at twenty six, that's the answer.
Speaker 1: That's the pick. But I don't see that he will
Speaker 1: be super hypothetical. I just go by. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's out of the question. I really don't. And here's
Speaker 1: the thing. If you're if you're a team in the
Speaker 1: top ten, you're having this exact same conversation because there
Speaker 1: are more dominant players in the top tenation. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. At twenty six, it should not be a
Speaker 1: conversation because, like you said initially, that's a second round
Speaker 1: grade on a player. For the most part, Bijan's a
Speaker 1: top ten player in this draft. But because of the
Speaker 1: positional value, I don't think it's out of the ordinary
Speaker 1: that he does slip to twenty six. Do you think
Speaker 1: do I think it's likely? No? Do I think it's possible. Absolutely? Now, I,
Speaker 1: like I said, I agree with what your statement was,
Speaker 1: where it's easier to find a running back than it
Speaker 1: is to find a dominant offensive lineman. If you could
Speaker 1: guarantee me that Osirius Torrence Steve Avula are going to
Speaker 1: be those dominant forces, they're going to be the Zach
Speaker 1: Martins of the world. Yes, give me those guys, but
Speaker 1: they're neither one of those or guarantees. There are knocks
Speaker 1: against both of their games. Bijean, it's hard to even
Speaker 1: knock his game because he was that dominant. Listen, think
Speaker 1: about it this way. Think about it this way, Lamb Cooks, Gallup, Ferguson,
Speaker 1: Hinder shot Pollard Bijon with decade quarterback stop him. I
Speaker 1: dare you give it your best shot? Good luck? I mean,
Speaker 1: this is what you could put in your hypothetical, This
Speaker 1: is what you could have with a twenty sixth overall. Peek,
Speaker 1: I hear you. You know you know New Yor Giants
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. No, you're Washington Commander's defensive lines. I knew
Speaker 1: what I knew that was coming. Do you know. I'm
Speaker 1: more I'm more confident. I'm more confident that Bijean will
Speaker 1: make an instant impact than I am, as much as
Speaker 1: I love I am. You're talking, You're talking to somebody
Speaker 1: who played with like a physical specimen like Brandon Jacobs.
Speaker 1: If you get to him in the backfield, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter matter how great he is, it doesn't matter how
Speaker 1: dominant of a physical juggernaut he is. If you get
Speaker 1: to him in the backfield, if you let him get
Speaker 1: past the line of scrimmage because offensive line is blocking
Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, now you got problems. You're not. This
Speaker 1: is why I totally get what you double back in
Speaker 1: the second round, even move up and address your offensive line.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying ignore your offensive line. So for those
Speaker 1: that are listening, Isaiahs, we'll go different hole. Isaiahs one
Speaker 1: percent correct. What I'm simply adding on is you don't
Speaker 1: pass on a value like beijon a top ten pick
Speaker 1: at twenty six. You say yesterday, you pull the trigger,
Speaker 1: and then you figure the offensive line out with the
Speaker 1: Knicks pick that's what I'm saying, all right. What I'm
Speaker 1: saying is we got to get out of here before
Speaker 1: Being kicks us out. But that's gonna do it for us.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be Nate. Yeah, Nate's gonna come in here
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be talking about offensive lineman. He's gonna
Speaker 1: join Isaiah's forces, and it's just gonna be over for us.
Speaker 1: But that's it, all right. We had some fun. We
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