1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This He's Talking Cowboys, 3 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: Star Fresco. And now your hosts, I see a stand back, 5 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: Patrick Walker and Kyle Yeoman's one. It's time for an 6 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: offseason addition of Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company, 7 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: the official coffee of the Dallas Cowboys. Welcome into the 8 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: SWBC studios at the Star in Frisco. We're about to 9 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: break down more Cowboys news throughout the off season. Of course, 10 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: we are sixteen days away from the NFL Draft. We'll 11 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: talk a little bit of draft. We're gonna talk a 12 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: little bit of wide receiver today as well, some news breaking, 13 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: maybe not with the Cowboys, but around a potential Cowboys 14 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: target at one point in time. Alongside Isaiah stand Backpatrick 15 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: no C. Walker, We've got Chris Beam running everything in 16 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: the Backham Kyle Yeoman's gentlemen, how we doing fantastic? How 17 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: you doing? Isaiah? You good man? How about yourself? I'm good. 18 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: So as much as we missed talking about it, as 19 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: much as we wanted to talk about it over and 20 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: dover and dover and over again. And I mean we 21 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: built it into the rundown because every that's exactly what 22 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: fans want to hear, right, they want to hear about 23 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior. It's what they want, and we missed 24 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: talking about it. But guess what that saga is officially 25 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: over right, the doors officially closed. Odell Beckham Junior assigned 26 00:01:55,040 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: with the Baltimore Ravens. The number is just it's it's 27 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: hard to say it. I didn't get their actual numbers. 28 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: I heard the up to so it's fifteen guarantee, Yeah, million, 29 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: one year, great job front office. Yeah, so that was 30 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: gonna be the topic of the conversation. Would you rather 31 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: have Brandon Cooks, who you got this offseason you had 32 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: to trade a fifth round pick for him, or would 33 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: you rather have Odell Beckham Junior and pay the price 34 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: to act that the Ravens just paid for him fifteen 35 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: million over one year, eight up to eighteen million this season. 36 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: It's not that simple of a question, Kyle, What do 37 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: you mean? You know why? It's not that simple. It's 38 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: not that simple. It's pretty simple. It's pretty simple. It's simple, 39 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: but it's not simple. Tell me why it's so complicated. 40 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm a complicated Listen up with with Brandon Cooks. Right, 41 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: half of his contract or a majority of his contract 42 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: is being covered by his former team. Yeah, so by 43 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: had of having him on the team, you do not 44 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: You don't, you don't. You don't strap yourself, right, You 45 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: don't hand strap yourself to not being able to acquire 46 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: more people, right. Okay, so by having Brandon Cooks, you 47 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: have a deep threat, which is what you needed. Sure, Okay, 48 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: you have somebody who's accomplished, which is what you needed. 49 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: You have somebody who is smart, which is what you needed, 50 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: who's gonna allow for you to run the offense that 51 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: you want to run. You have somebody who has multiple 52 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: thousand yards seasons, which is what you wanted. Right, And 53 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now you're still in a position 54 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: where you can still go out and acquire more guys 55 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: if you want to, not only through the draft, but 56 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: you can still go through free agency. Should you please 57 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: and acquire more guys? Flip the script. You go over 58 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: to Odell Beckham. Had you acquired Odell Beckham for the 59 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: number that he was just acquired for by the Baltimore Ravens. 60 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: You now are not in a position to go out 61 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: and continue adding to that position group or any other 62 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: position group. So I say it's not as simple because 63 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: it's not as much. It's not as simple as a 64 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: Brandon Cook's versus Odell Beckham. It's it's not just those 65 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: two side by side. It's looking at it and saying, hey, 66 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: what did the front office have to take into account 67 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: to be able to make an educated, informed decision by 68 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: making this the decision to go with Brandon Cooks, who 69 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: might not be as dynamic of a receiver as Odo'beckham 70 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: has been at one point in time. We don't know 71 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: where he's at now. However, he is pretty dog on 72 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: good receiver. You add him to a roster. Dad already 73 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: has another really good receiver on your roster on the 74 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: opposite side now, and you still can go add pieces. 75 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: That's why I say it's not as simple, but it is. 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny to me, and I tweeted it, 77 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say it here again. Odell Beckham Junior. 78 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: He hopped on Twitter when the rumors were running rampant 79 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: that he was asking for close to twenty million dollars, 80 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: and he made sure that he tweeted who said I 81 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: was asking from up to twenty million dollars. I'm just 82 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: saying four's not enough. And fast forward to now much 83 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: more Ravens eighteen million max value, fifteen guaranteed. I know 84 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: some people say, oh, well, the eighteen is to max value. 85 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: Hear me out, fifteen is guaranteed between his signing bonus 86 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: and fifteen guarantee is guaranteed with an opportunity to earn 87 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: up to eighteen. I would have preferred Brandon Cooks over 88 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: a twelve million dollars Odell Beckham Junior. Yeah, so I 89 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: most certainly prefer him over a fifteen million dollars guaranteed 90 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior. And that is before I start start 91 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: factoring in what you were talking about, Isaiah. What Kyle 92 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: knows so eloquently two torn acls and he's over the 93 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: thirty year old horizon. Okay. But also Brandon Cooks has 94 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: one more thousand yard receiving season than does Odell Beckham Junior. 95 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: So we know what Odell Beckham Junior was in his 96 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: prime in his years with New York Giants. But we 97 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: also know that while he's still highly productive. He's also 98 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: not that New York Giants guy. We don't know that 99 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks is still not in his prime, right. Brandon 100 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: Cooks hasn't had durability issues. He's well rest season ending issues, 101 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: especially especially coming off of last season in his fat 102 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: with the Texans, and he was just that wasn't right. 103 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: So his rep count okay. He's rested, he's healthy, rejuvenated, 104 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: is where he wants to be, right. So kudos to 105 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior, because I think we can all agree, 106 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: we're all player advocates when it comes to getting your back. 107 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: Gonna get your back. Congratulations Odell Beckham. You got a 108 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: team to almost pay you're asking price. But from a 109 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: Cowboys standpoint and no version of the multiverse, was I 110 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: going to be okay with Odell Beckham Junior at twelve plus, 111 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: let alone fifteen with a max of eighteen. I'm on 112 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: a record on the show and on every other podcast 113 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: that I've been on saying I would have preferred a 114 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: reunion with t Y Hilton over a more expensive Odell 115 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: Beckham Junior. So what do you do? You're gonna get 116 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks. I'm fine, I still want Ty, and this 117 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: was I'm glad you said that mail back question this week, 118 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: does t Y Hilton still fit into this mix? Yes, 119 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: I think he does. But from a players standpoint, having 120 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: proven that you can still be an impact guy, you're healthy, now, 121 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: I think his value exceeds what his fit would be 122 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: here in Dallas. So I think if you're t Y Hilton, 123 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: you're saying I can get more playing time and a 124 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: higher salary somewhere else. Now that higher salary won't be 125 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: fifteen million guaranteed, but it'll be higher than what the 126 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: Cowboys would pay, simply because the Cowboys wouldn't need as 127 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: much from him in twenty twenty three, so they wouldn't 128 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: pay him as much. So from a player standpoint, I 129 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: don't know that he would ACQUI us to that. From 130 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: a team standpoint, absolutely, give me all the talented, give 131 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: me all the former pro bowlers, give me all. Do 132 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: you really think that Dallas would lowball him much more? 133 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: I don't. I wouldn't call it a lowball. I wouldn't 134 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: call it a lowball. I T t Y don't. It's 135 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: the value versus need equation, So I don't think it 136 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: would be lowballing. I think if you from a players standpoint, 137 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: he might feel his lowballing. What would you give Ty two? 138 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: I give him too. I think that's too low. Here's 139 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: him his standpoint, and that's fair. Here's my thing about 140 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: t Y that people don't necessarily realize. It's not this 141 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: isn't Madden, this isn't just going I'm picking up a 142 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: guy because he's on the street. Did not play in 143 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: the regular season or for much of the regular season 144 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: last year because he didn't want to. He wanted to 145 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: be around his kids. He wanted to watch his family 146 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: grow up. He wanted to be able to attend high 147 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: school sporting events. He wanted to be able to live 148 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: his life a little bit around his family. Ty came 149 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: in ready to go, and credit to him for that, 150 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: veteran move, ready to go, came in and made an 151 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: impact immediately. So with that being said, just because he 152 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: came in ready to go and he made an impact 153 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: and the Cowboys of course loved him, and he came 154 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: in and did what he needed to do and did 155 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: his job, doesn't mean he wants to turn back around 156 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: and go to training camps. It doesn't mean he doesn't 157 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: want to go back around and go to the week one, 158 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: So keep that in mind. Yes, if the Cowboys want him, 159 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: go get him, because I think as a veteran presence 160 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: in that room, he helped. I think if you add 161 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: him into the mix with a Brandon Cooks so Michael 162 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: Gallup a CD Lamb, that is a nasty, nasty trio. 163 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: And you've got some young guys. Yeah, a draft pick. 164 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: You've got young guys. Oh, we grab one in the 165 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: draft as well. We'll see about that. That's gonna be 166 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: a topic of conversation in a second. But if you 167 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: want to go get t Y Hilton, do it. But 168 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: t Y Hilton's gonna have to return that. He's gonna 169 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: have to want that. So don't think that it's cut 170 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: and drops Kyle. Just you want him, absolutely, yes, I do, guys, 171 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: Will t Wise dessert guys, he's the cherry on top. 172 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: He sprinklos and sprinklos winner And you know something is 173 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: he's a dessert. End of the year. December, you need 174 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: a guy you called t Y? Yeah, I like it, 175 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: which I put on a two shirt. He's the dessert. 176 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: He's the thank you t Y and December if you 177 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: need a guy called t Y. All right, So Patrick 178 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: brought this up. Patrick alluded to this, First, I want 179 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: to hit the actual like the exact numbers on Odell 180 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: Beckham's contract thirteen point eight three to five guaranteed its 181 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: signing fifteen million average up to eighteen million in bonuses. 182 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: He's only a four million million dollar cap hit this year, 183 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: but then the Ravens are going to sprinkle that out 184 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: over the next four years, sprinkle starting with next year 185 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: with he may not even be on the roster, but 186 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: his cap HiT's going to be close to eleven million. 187 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: So that's not gonna be great. Dead cap of eleven million, 188 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: that's a lot. But yeah, then on the other side, 189 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, he counts as six million against the cap, 190 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: but that's half and half with the Texans. Who's throwing 191 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: him the ball? We don't know yet. They don't know yet. 192 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: It's not gonna be Tyler Huntley, Lamar Jackson or in 193 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: certain name here I really know. Reportedly Lamar was in 194 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: on trying to help recruit um ob J. But that 195 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that all his will suddenly my money. Yeah, 196 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: no doing my money, all his will suddenly in happy land. 197 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: So it's just a perk, no clue, no clue. So 198 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: with the Cowboys current wide receiver situation, current wide receiver situation, 199 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: right now, you got number one, Ceedee Lamb, number two, two, 200 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, number three maybe to be if you really 201 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: want to look at it. However, you want Michael Gallup. 202 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: And then you have these other names like a semi 203 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: Phohoko who hasn't necessarily stepped. Let's talk about the guarantees. 204 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: Those three plus Turpin he's gonna be there, he'll be 205 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: there for Yeah. So usually you carry five receivers active active, 206 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: maybe six if if you have a special team, so 207 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: maybe six. Let'll think about this. Ye. So yeah, two spots. 208 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: Are you okay with where you're at right now? Or 209 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: do you go spend and I'm not gonna I'm not 210 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: gonna say a draft pick. I'm gonna say a premium 211 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: draft pick at wide receiver. Do you go get one 212 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: of those Jackson Smith and Jigbuzz if he falls, or 213 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: at Quinston Johnson from TCU if he falls, do you 214 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: go get a premium first round, second round, maybe even 215 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: the third round wide receiver like you did last year 216 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: with Jalen Tolbert. Knowing what you have back here at 217 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: home with the addition of Cooks. I'm probably out as 218 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: on a first rounder, okay, I'm not out on the 219 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: sick and a third round. I'm certainly not on the 220 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: third because I'm not out on the same So if 221 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: the Cowboys standpad at fifty eight and they grab one 222 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: of these wide receivers at fifty eight, I'm completely fine 223 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: with that because if you look at the cook situation, 224 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: it's not a long term situation. As we have this conversation, 225 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: so you're going to while you're about to be able 226 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: to enjoy Cooks for twenty twenty three, you also need 227 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: to have the duality of being able to look beyond 228 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three and say, okay, who's going to be 229 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: the long term complimentary piece four CD LAMB. We hope 230 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: it's Michael Galli. But if we want to keep it 231 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,239 Speaker 1: as a three headed monster, because we know how effective 232 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: and dynamic this offense can be with a three headed 233 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: monster at wide receiver, then yes, you're gonna need a 234 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: post Cook's plan right now, effective this April. So yeah, 235 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm completely fine with it that second round, in the 236 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: second round, and most certainly in the third. The reason 237 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: I would shy away from it in the first is 238 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: because I'm still looking at offensive line for example. So 239 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: knowing that, and if you're on the clock at twenty six, 240 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: and let's just assume that Bijean is long gone, you're 241 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: on the clock at twenty six, Bijean is long gone, 242 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: and you have either Lawrence or a Vela still sitting there. 243 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: You don't take a wide receiver. You gotta put somebody 244 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: in front of Dak Prescott to help protect that man. 245 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: And then you circle back in the second round and 246 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: you say, okay, well what do we have here? And 247 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: then you go from there. Some of the second round 248 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: receivers on my board, Quentin Johnston is the top of 249 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: that list. He's very much so a borderline first round 250 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: second round grade for me. Zay Flowers from Boston College 251 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: where she rice from SMU, Jalen Hyatt from Tennessee, Josh Down, 252 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: North Carolina, Parker Washington, Penn State, and Marvin Men's from Oklahoma. 253 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: There are options in the second round. And you just 254 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: named several who were a part of the Cowboys official 255 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: thirty visits ye Jalen Hyatt, Josh Downs, I mean Downs. 256 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: I don't think Downs was a thirty visits. I had Hyatt, 257 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: Flowers and oh wait, I have Downs and Rice. Those 258 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: are the three. Okay, I would double checkdowns. I do 259 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: have downs. But nonetheless, these are guys the Cowboys interested in, 260 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: and I think Downs confirmed at the combine that there 261 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: was some interest, even if informal. So cowboys are looking, 262 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: they're looking, and they're gonna get somebody. I don't think 263 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: there's any question about that. The question is that's five 264 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: spots gone. Let's assume five at some point in time 265 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: in the draft, they're gonna acquire a receiver. I think 266 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: we all pretty much are in agreement with that. Okay, 267 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: So that's five receivers of your six. So now you 268 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: got Tolbert, Semi, Phijoko and the rest of the committee 269 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: that they acquire that is already sitting there in practice squad, 270 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: and they're guys that they're gonna be acquiring onto their 271 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: practice squad battling for one spot. I love it, one one. 272 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: I like it. I love it. If you assume the 273 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: Beamer situation where if you need a guy in December, 274 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: you call it t y dessert. Yeah, go get your desert. 275 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: Which one of those guys, which one of these younger 276 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: receivers that you're hoping take a step up, has the 277 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: biggest possibility of taking a step up? Which one do 278 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: you have the most confidence in, the most the most confidence. Yeah, 279 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Okay, because I think that he's 280 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: had a year to sit back and and really appreciate 281 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: what a role on special teams means to this team, 282 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: and how he got a chance to sit there and 283 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: watch nor Brown, you know, kind of sin and then 284 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: obviously disappear based upon who's that quarterback. But he got 285 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: a chance to see how long he stuck around doing 286 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: one thing really well while you're still developing a receiver. 287 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: And I think that this past year, having taken that 288 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: off right rehabbing and working with Britt Brown and the 289 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: rest of the rehabilitation squad, I think he's he's learned 290 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: if he hadn't already known what hard work really is 291 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: and what's required to compete at this level and stay 292 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: on a roster, whether it's out this team or another team. Right, 293 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: I think that time is very important to sit back 294 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: and just analyze where you're at and what value you present, 295 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: because you recognize during that time that the train keeps moving. Right. 296 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: So I'm not assuming that he that he came the 297 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: big head or anything like that. But I'm saying I 298 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: have spent a lot of time and you recognize how 299 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: minute you are in comparison to the grand scheme of things, 300 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: and it gives you a greater appreciation for the opportunities 301 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: that you have present to you. Here's why I am 302 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: And my answer is also Semi for Hoco for a 303 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: slightly different reasons but not entirely different. Been in the 304 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: system multiple years. McCarthy loves him, Dak Prescott, there's chemistry there. Hell, 305 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: Simi even has chemistry with the backups. Okay, Semi Forhohoco 306 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: was one of the more dominant players in this last 307 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: year's training camp. I mean, it's I and you can 308 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: attest to a cow. Didn't it feel like every day 309 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: Semi for Hoco was making a play of some sort. Yeah, 310 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: it also felt like there was every day he was 311 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: making a mistake of some spirit consistency. I feel like 312 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: if you put it even if that considered, you put 313 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: it all in a package. And it's hard for me 314 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: to compare that to the struggles that Jalen Tilbert, for example, 315 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: had in year one, And say, Jalen Tilbert has the 316 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: edge going into twenty three over Semi for Hoko, who 317 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: even with the mistakes and he still needs to grow, 318 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: and he's coming off of the injury. He's been in 319 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: the system. He understands the quarterbacks, he understands the timing, 320 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: and he's been developing, not simply as because he came 321 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: in as more of a speed guy, but he's learning 322 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: how to attack the ball at the high point. He's 323 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: getting better with running his route, So you're seeing some 324 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: development there Whereas if you look at the others who 325 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: would have to fight with him to get that sixth spot, 326 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: presumably you don't have as many pros versus as many cons. 327 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: So I think the lead horse for WR six right 328 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: now has to be Semi for Hoko, and I think 329 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: that's going to be the case. And for Hoko, much 330 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: like Tobert and some of these other guys, he's in 331 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: the dack yard as well this offseason working with Dak 332 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: Prescott and now Brandon Cooks and some of these other guys. 333 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: So I think the edge goes to Semi for Hoco 334 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: for WR six. But if you're talking about one of 335 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: the more interesting position battles going into the summer, like 336 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: White receiver especially if the Cowboys do what we expect, 337 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: which is draft a guy. Oh man, that's that's gloves off. 338 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: It's gonna it's gonna be. You also have to start 339 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: looking at what value do each of those guys bring 340 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: you talk, you talk about Simi Phoco is more verse 341 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: now in special teams Simko. Simi Phoco also has a 342 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: larger frame, Okay, and he's more physical. So when you 343 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: look at the receiver room as it stands, who's your 344 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: physical receiver? Uh? Probably Phoco six three two twenty. I 345 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: mean that's probably your I'm like nor Brown was your 346 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: physical guy. He get his hands dirty, exactly right, crackback blocks, 347 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, get in there, being the wing position, blocking Dana. 348 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: Even think about just getting outside, think about just getting 349 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: on the outside and having a contested catch. Guy. You 350 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: don't really have one of those on your roster right now. 351 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: So if you're going to draft a guy, maybe that's 352 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: where you look. Maybe that's the type of receiver, the 353 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: proto type that you're looking at because you need that out. 354 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: So how big is that from a quarterback standpoint of 355 00:18:54,680 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: having different elements of receiver, different different different types. Yeah, 356 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: all this stuff matters. I mean every situation presents something different, right, 357 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: So you have an advantage in disadvantage in every situation, 358 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: every play, on every passing scheme. So you need to 359 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: have a go to guy. Sometimes I need to come 360 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 1: in there and have a quick guy that I need. 361 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: I need to be able to beat beat the slot 362 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: I sometimes I beat a nickelback. Sometimes I need a 363 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: route specialist, right. Sometimes I need a sure handed guy. 364 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: Sometimes I need a guy that's go up there and 365 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: go grab that thing and just eat some syrial off 366 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: somebody helmet right. Doesn't have to be the best ball, 367 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: but if I put it up there, he's gonna come 368 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: down with him. So, depending on the situation, you need 369 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: the versatility of guys. There are very few teams in 370 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: this league that have the same style of receiver. Very 371 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: few better look at Kansas City to make that point. 372 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: Kansas City they get specialists at wide receiver. They get 373 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: the speech or they get the route runner, you know, 374 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: they get the tough guy who wants to get dirty 375 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: and crack a chest plate. Yeah. So that I think 376 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and this is something we kind of touched 377 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: on a few weeks ago. It's interesting because I've seen 378 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: the Cowboys start to borrow from a formula like what 379 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 1: you're seeing in Kansas City, especially at the wide receiver position. 380 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: And if you do that, the formula is proven, and 381 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: that excites me. It's it's fine to do wide receiver 382 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: by committee if your committee is elite in everything they 383 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: specialize in. Ceedee Lamb is elite, is becoming elite, and 384 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: arguably he is now elite. And what he specializes in, 385 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks is elite, and what he specializes in speed 386 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: taking the top off Michael Gallup if he can have 387 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: a bounce back year. He's elite at eating cereal off 388 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: of the top of a guy's helpme, okay, and then 389 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: you add from there. So for me, I see what 390 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: the cowboys doing at this moment as eerily reminiscent of 391 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: what the Kansas City chiefs have been doing for years now. 392 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: They lost Tyreek Hill in the trade, or not lost him, 393 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: because you trade the guy, you didn't lose him. So 394 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: they trade Tyreek Hill, and everybody said, oh, well, the 395 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: sky is gonna fall. Patrick Mahomes is gonna turn into kryptonite. 396 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: Not so fast. What do you do? You bring in Juju, 397 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: a guy who was specialized he specialized in this particular thing, 398 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: which complimented me coole with special go dogs, which complimented 399 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: who specialized in the certain thing. Cowboys can stand to 400 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: learn from that formula, and I think they are. Ah Man, 401 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: that's so interesting because I feel like if they were 402 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: to follow that path, they would need to add one 403 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: more guy and they would be a physical, bodied wide 404 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: receiver that's going to be a starting caliber guy on 405 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: the outside. Which there's a couple of those guys in 406 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: the draft. But for the most part, and even reports 407 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: coming out lately that aren't necessarily surprising, but it actually 408 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: helps the Cowboys is that the league isn't as high 409 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: on this wide receiver class as the media is. That 410 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: there's there's thoughts that these wide receivers are going to 411 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: start slipping. Maybe not the top guys, maybe not the 412 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigbuzz, the Jordan Addison's, the Quentin Johnston's, 413 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: but like that second tier, the names that I wrote 414 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: read off earlier, they might slip this league. Apparently the 415 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 1: league does not like it, or that's what the reports are. 416 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: The league is not as infatuated with these wide receivers 417 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: as the media is. So if you get fifty eight. 418 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: Could that be subterfuge from just g we've seen that. 419 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: You might see that, But to me, from Dallas's perspective, 420 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: you might also see them what we talked about in 421 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: the last episode, go out there and acquire a big 422 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: boy tight end just because of what this tight end is. 423 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: His name, Yeah, I just say his name, say his name, 424 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: but yeah, he's from your school. Say his name from 425 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: your school. I'm saying that there are guys out there 426 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: that they might they might go out there and acquire 427 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: because of what this, what Linda Wells has done with 428 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: that tight end group historically, and no one getting versatile 429 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: guys at that position group make it so that you 430 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: don't have to have as deep of a receiving corps. 431 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: That makes sense as a name. Darnielle Washington also one 432 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: of the Cowboys official thirty visits. I had a conversation 433 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: with Lunda kind of off the cuff last week about Darnell, 434 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: and Lunda's eyes lit up. Yeah, big fan of Darnell Washington. 435 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: There you go. So now, to be fair, there are 436 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: a couple of other players that he's also a fan 437 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: of the Cowboys potentially looking into first in the early 438 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: second round. But that conversation was specific to Darnell, and 439 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: I was just wondering, you know, what was his feel 440 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: on him strengths, opportunities for improvement, and U Lunda really 441 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: really likes what Darnell brings to the table, and he 442 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: agrees that he's a how could you not, I mean, 443 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: freak of a let's talk about you talk about ceiling. 444 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: It's hard to not like where he brings to the table. 445 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: So really interesting to keep in mind. All right, and 446 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: we come back. We're going to take some calls. 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Today to talking Cowboys, Hey Isaiah, Yes, 491 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: what are you doing this time of year? Are you 492 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: doing a lot of reading? Yeah, doing a lot of 493 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: reading this time of day. What are some of the 494 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: things that you're reading? Oh? Are you talking about this 495 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: thing right here? To get all cowboys star? I mean 496 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? The draft? Did you You 497 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: had a big part of that inju I did? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 498 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: I've been reading this draft guide a lot here getting 499 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: ready for the Draft here, Kyle, I'm literally looking forward 500 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: to it. It's really informative. Yeah, that's the official twenty 501 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: twenty three Dallas Cowboys Star magazine, The NFL Draft Guide. 502 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: If you want to just call it the Cowboys Draft Guide, 503 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: you can do that too, fine now available. This year's 504 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: edition features scouting reports for more than ever and over 505 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: five hundred prospects listed in all. There are also features 506 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: on the passion for football in Texas, the annual mock Draft, 507 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: and do the Science yourself Science the science of selecting 508 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: a running back is in the first round and that's 509 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: in the guide as well. Do your Cowboys draft with 510 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: the Cowboys by getting your Draft Guide today Dallas Cowboys 511 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: dot Com, slash Star. Listen. That Draft Guide is biblical. 512 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: It is like the amount of work that our guy 513 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: Kyle put into that. Kurtis Will, Kurt Daniels, Michael Villeria, Yeah, man, 514 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: everyone ever a great job, everybody, And thanks guys for 515 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 1: letting me tap in on that and get, you know, 516 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: an episode of the Science Lab and they're talking about 517 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: that was the first thing I read science. You know, 518 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: like you get a yearbook a lot of times, the 519 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: first thing you do is you flip to your your 520 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: own picture, you know, like that wasn't the case with me. 521 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: I flipped right to your story and I read that's 522 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: funny because me, I'm like Erica, but I do know 523 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm sensitive about my so I actually flew right past mine. 524 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: I went straight to your work. I went straight to yours. 525 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: Let me see what, let me not let me not 526 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: read that, let me not read you a page. I 527 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,239 Speaker 1: went to gott which ones you go to? You went 528 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: to find the centerfold you and then he took the 529 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: state wrong wrong Cowboys Star Magazine. I went to page 530 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: fifty two, Kyle, Oh, I know what I want at 531 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: twenty six. Yeah, you won't want a big boy. Want 532 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: a big boy, big fellow, big boy. Straight to the 533 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: middle of the middle of the magazine. But he's holding 534 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: up a picture of Osiris Torrence. It's not a it's 535 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: not a centerfold poster that you can rip out, unfortunately. Okay, yeah, 536 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: maybe next year he's taking up the whole page. Yes, 537 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: that's literal. Yeah, man, how much of how many of 538 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: those would we have sold if we would have just 539 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: put a big center fold like picture and it's b 540 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: Jean Robinson edited into a Cowboys uniform, and it's just 541 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: that it's just sold almost its bait. It would be basa, 542 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: it would totally be all right, let's take some calls 543 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: from Cowboys Nation. Shall we start things off in the 544 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: great state of Florida. Dan oh is on the line. Dan, 545 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: you're back on talking Cowboys. How's it going good? How 546 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: you guys doing what you're doing? Great? Well, I want 547 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about the the O and 548 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: D line. Okay, Okay, I know, I know Jerry Jones 549 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: made a comment something to the effect that Steel should 550 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: be the swing tackle. I think that's a huge mistake. Uh. 551 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: I think you gotta have seventy three out at left tackle. 552 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: You got to get a guard. You got to get 553 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: a real road greater in this draft. And there are 554 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,479 Speaker 1: several and and and I think Patrick and and some 555 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 1: of you other folks have said taken a guard at 556 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: twenty six is and the worst thing in the world. 557 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: I totally agree with that. Matter of fact, That's where 558 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: I would go. He ottish solid. I think Zack Martin 559 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: is Zach Martin. And everything I've seen and read about 560 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: Terrence Steel is that he's making great progress in his rehab. 561 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: You know, Tyrone I would give him his gold jacket. 562 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: If he wants to be the swing tackle and can 563 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: accept that position, I would go that route. But I 564 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: don't see the sense and put in him in. He 565 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: hasn't played an entire season since I think twenty seventeen, 566 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: so we're talking, you know, five six seasons. You know 567 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: the best you know of what's that saying? The best 568 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: ability is availability? He isn't given around that often. And 569 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: I'd hate to see the continuity of that offensive line 570 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: broken up because from one puzzle piece of a puzzle 571 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: and then on the D line. I gotta be honest, 572 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad they got Hankins back. I mean, as I 573 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: agree totally would pathic that manage the key up front. 574 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: I wish we had gotten Carlos Watkins back. I really do. 575 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: I think that is a big time lost. I mean, oh, 576 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: diggi zuwa is solid. I think Chauncy Goldstein has got 577 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: the ability at the potential to be something special inside 578 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: at That's just my thoughts. I'm not a Neville Gallimore fan. 579 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: I mean I watched every game. He seems to get 580 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: washed a lot. I mean, if you remember that backbreaking 581 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: throw to Kittle over the middle in the San Fran game, 582 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: he's in coverage on the guy. Why if you look 583 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: at that, he gets washed down the line of scrimmage, 584 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: turns around seats you know, Kittle, and he faces him. 585 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: Maybe that's good, but I don't know. Um anyway, that's 586 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: just my nickel. I really think that. I think the Cowboys. 587 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm tired of his Dak bashers. I'm so tired of him. 588 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he played at an elite level. We have 589 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: seen him play at an elite level. And I think 590 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: two things. I do agree that making the change at 591 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: the OC was was necessary, and I also think Bilbin 592 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: just you know, I don't think he was getting the 593 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: most out of those guys. I don't know anything much 594 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: about this new guy other than you know he was 595 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: Tom Landry. Well that's fifty years ago. Um, that was 596 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: the offense, that was the offensive line coach. By the way, 597 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: that that that was with Landry. Really, yeah, I don't 598 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: I don't remember that. But uh, he's got to be 599 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: in his early seventies at this point. Yeah, you know, 600 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: I just don't know if if that's a great fit. 601 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: But again, you know, I'm sitting here and those guys 602 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: are sitting there and making a decision, So that's something. Um, 603 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: but again, I just think grabbing a guard is the 604 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: most important thing. I think. Uh, I agree with the receivers. Um, 605 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: I'd love to see t Y Milton back. I think 606 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: it's I think it's really I think I got something 607 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: gone with him too, And I think you got to 608 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: look at a comfortability factor. Completely agree, Dan, thanks so 609 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: much for the call. Really appreciate you. And let's let's 610 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: start with let's start with offensive line, because that's where 611 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: he kind of wanted to go initially. And we've brought 612 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: this topic of conversation up in terms of Terrence Steel, 613 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: We've we've brought the topic of conversation up with Tyren Smith. 614 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: Do you think it's all just a smoke screen? Do 615 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: you think it's all just I hope so playing games. 616 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: I mean, because it could be. It could be just 617 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: playing that card just to kind of rile everybody up. 618 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: It could be. And we know, as well as everyone 619 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: else knows that Jerry Jones does love to stir the 620 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: pot a bit every once in a while, keep the cowboys' 621 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: names in the headlines and at the water cooler as 622 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: talking points, and hopefully this is what that is. Just 623 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: logistically speaking, though, and we talked about this in detail 624 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago. I just don't see how how 625 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: it makes great roster sense to demote Terrence Steele or 626 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: try to move him inside, which is what some people 627 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: are speculating might happen. I think Terrence ste he's proven 628 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: that he's a really good starter at right tackle, and 629 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: you keep with that. So if he's going to be 630 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: on this roster, which it appears that he will be, 631 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: and we'll see, if you know, barring any kind of 632 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: other team making an offer that the Cowboys don't want 633 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: to match because the Cowboys have a second round tender 634 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: on him, they get a second round pick set c. 635 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: But assuming that Tyren still is still on the team 636 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: come September and he's healthy and ready to go, he 637 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: has to be your starting right tackle. Don't create issues 638 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: where issues don't exist because you already have issues to 639 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: figure out. Guess what your left guard needs to be 640 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: figured out. You need to figure out how you're going 641 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: to do this Tyler Smith versus Tyron Smith thing. But 642 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: on the left side. So on the right side, a 643 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: healthy Terrence Steele plus Zach Martin, you got that side 644 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: figured out don't go shuffling it unnecessarily. Tyron Smith. By 645 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: the way, I mean since twenty twenty, he's played in 646 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: seventeen games. Since twenty twenty, that's three seasons. He's missed 647 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: two entire regular seasons. In terms of games worth of games, 648 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,239 Speaker 1: he's missed twenty four games in the last I'm not 649 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: demoting Terrence do three seasons twenty four or that's not 650 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: that's not even twenty four. That's terrible math on my part. 651 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: That's thirty four games in the last two or three seasons. Isaiah. 652 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: That's a lot, it's a lot um and unfortunately he 653 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 1: can't help that. But when he's present, I don't think 654 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,919 Speaker 1: there's anybody who's had any complaints about his performance. No, Nope, 655 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: he's an animal. But that's probable, that's that's a problem. 656 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: But that's that's what he can control, right, So as 657 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: long as Dallas Cowboys decided to keep him around, he's 658 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: gonna control the controllables, and that's performing well when he's 659 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: on the field. Now, the other aspect, that's for the 660 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: upper management to figure out in terms of what that 661 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: situation looks like. But when he's called upon and when 662 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 1: he's on the field, he shows up until they started 663 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: talking about his play is falling off. Hes gonna be around. 664 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: I mean every time that he's played in at least 665 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: double digit games since twenty thirteen, double digit game since 666 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, he's made a Pro Bowl. That's all it's been. 667 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: He even played eleven games in twenty twenty one and 668 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: he made a Pro Bowl. He is stiller, Yeah, but 669 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: it's that's the biggest asterisk there. Quickly hit on the 670 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: defensive line. He mentioned Neville Galimore and how he's been disappointing. 671 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: He's not alone in that sentiment. I think Neville Gallimore 672 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: is under the microscope as soon as training camp is 673 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: underway in Oxnard. He I mean, he's going to be 674 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 1: heavily scrutinized. Yes, yes, because of the role that they had, 675 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: the role that they had set for him to fulfill. 676 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: I think they wanted him to be what Hankins is. 677 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't think they wanted him to be more of 678 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: a penetrator than versus being a run stopper. You know, 679 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: I think he's he's kind of fallen into the category 680 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 1: of a penetrator now instead of being that big, big 681 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: man that really locks things up in a side he's 682 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: more soul that he's more soul the ladder than the 683 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: guy that's actually holding things up and being a John Hankins. 684 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: So I think that they're hoping that he kind of 685 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: fulfills that role. He kind of acknowledges that, Hey, we 686 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: don't need more guys getting vertical of the field like 687 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: we got. We have guys for that. Right to the 688 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: point we were just talking about in regards the offense, 689 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: we need guys that can go up there and clock 690 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: some things up and consume blocks. And if you can't 691 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: be that guy, then to Kyle's point, you're going to 692 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: be heavily scrutinizing. And I hope that they address that 693 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: in the draft again or in free agency again. But 694 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: they need to add somebody behind big John Hankins. They 695 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: have to add that. No secret, I was and remained 696 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: high Nevill Gallimore. And I can tell you what I 697 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: think the problem is with Nevil Gallimore. And I've said 698 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: this before and a couple of Science Lab articles. He's 699 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: a bowling ball, and with a bowling ball, bowling balls 700 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: require momentum. So if you go back and you look 701 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: at his film pre NFL and in the NFL. The 702 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: more reps he gets, the more momentum he gets, the 703 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 1: more of an impact player he is. Once you start 704 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: to reduce those reps, he loses momentum, and then when 705 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: you put him in the game, you're not going to 706 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: see nearly as much impact. How Dan Quinn balances that 707 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: going forward, knowing that he has so many guys that 708 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 1: he can throw waves and waves of guys at opposing offenses, 709 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: that's going to be the challenge. I have seen Nevill 710 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: Gallimore be an impact player, but his biggest place, his 711 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: biggest games he's had with the Cowboys, and prior to 712 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: coming to the Cowboys has been games where he's logged 713 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: a lot of reps. Once he gets going, he's very 714 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,439 Speaker 1: hard to stop. But until you get him going, he's 715 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,959 Speaker 1: not as hard to stop. So the talent is there, 716 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: but he's very momentum based. So I call I refer 717 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: to him as a bowling ball juggernaut. There you go, 718 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: Juggernaut Marvel style. Once he gets going, there's nothing that's 719 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: really stopped at him. But if you get him standing still, 720 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: then it's easy to keep him from moving forward. So 721 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: that's the perfect analogy for Nevill Gallimore. Now, as far 722 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: as Carlos Watkinson is concerned, the Cowboys tried to keep him. 723 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: Spoke with dan Quinn not one day before Colins Watkins 724 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: went to the Arizona Cardinals. And then if you go 725 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: and look at the Arizona Cardinals the deal they gave 726 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: him one year of minimum deal. Obviously the Cowboys were 727 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: willing to match that, maybe even go a little bit over. 728 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: It just seems like Carlos Watkins decided that it was 729 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: a better situation for him in Arizona. Maybe he gets 730 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: more reps because they clearly at the defensive line, the interior, 731 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: they don't have as many bodies vying for reps as 732 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: the Cowboys do. So from a players standpoint, I want 733 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: to play. It makes sense he wants to play, and 734 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: if the money is equal or similar, there you go, 735 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: and he's going to another dome team and a warm climate. 736 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: It's not like he's going outside to Green Bay. So 737 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: from a Carlos Watkins standpoint, I get it. But the 738 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: Cowboys and dan Quinn, dan Quinn specifically told me he 739 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: was hopeful and optimistic after they got Hankins that they 740 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: could keep Watkins, but Watkins made his choice so kind 741 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: of some clarity there. But Chauncey Ghoston needle point in 742 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: due North, Osa or Diggi Zuwa is coming off of 743 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: a breakout season. So we can't look at Osa and say, Okay, well, 744 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: we feel like he can be if you're a Cowboys fan, 745 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: so we feel like he can take the next step. 746 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: He's already taken a huge step, so you have to 747 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: now be excited about where he can go from here. 748 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: A couple of things on that. I mean, first, you 749 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: gotta also in this adds to your point, but you 750 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,720 Speaker 1: got to remember that when he was drafted in twenty twenty, 751 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: Mike Nolan was the head of this defense. I mean 752 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,240 Speaker 1: it was one year and then it was Dan Quinn, 753 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: so he might have had a role change. He might 754 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: have been thought as a three technique, as a guy 755 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: who can go sideline to sideline. I just went back 756 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,760 Speaker 1: and looked at my scouting report that I had him 757 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,760 Speaker 1: on had on him in the twenty tinety draft sideline 758 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: to sideline for Nevill Gallimore, and I was like, he 759 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: doesn't have bend, he doesn't have pass rush ability, but 760 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: he's still somebody that's gonna he's gonna defend the run. 761 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: He's gonna plug up gaps, He's gonna take up multiple gaps. Yeah, 762 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: I love the bowling ball reference, I really do. And 763 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: then the second thing on it is, if I were 764 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 1: to say today what the pick would be at fifty eight, 765 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna happen at twenty six. I 766 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: would put a strong feeling that it would be Mazzi 767 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: Smith from Michigan interior defensive line, big time one technique 768 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 1: to come in and learn behind Jonathan Hankins. Really, in 769 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: my opinion, Modsy Smith was the best run defender I 770 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: watched in the interior defensive line in college football. So 771 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,439 Speaker 1: one pick first, pick one and two with the big 772 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: fellows on the inside, Go watch excited, Go watch him 773 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: for me. I'll send you. I'll send you some tape. 774 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: I say, I want you to watch him for me. 775 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: I want you to let me know what you think 776 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: about it with definitely. All right, let's go to Brian 777 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: and Iowa. You're on Talking Cowboys. Brian, how's it going, Hey, 778 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: it's going pretty good. How are you guys doing it 779 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: doing great? What's on your mind? Well? I just heard 780 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: you guys talking about Hankins. I think that was the 781 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: biggest prize in the off season for the Cowboys, and um, 782 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 1: I believe that the Cowboys are not done doing third 783 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: dude diligence in the free agency or um or a 784 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: post draft. You know something that we don't know? Are 785 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: you trying to trying to drop a scoop here? What 786 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: what you got on them? No? I think Jerry and 787 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,240 Speaker 1: Steven are working their wheel magic of being the genius 788 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 1: of businessmen that they are and showing the media that 789 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: they're not afraid doing what they do best. Okay, and 790 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: what is how do you expect them to use that 791 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: over the next couple of weeks. I expect them to 792 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 1: either trade up in the draft okay, or trade down 793 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 1: to get multiple picks to get more valuable players that 794 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: they feel like could help the team to get to 795 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: that next step. Brian, I love this, and you just 796 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: gave us the perfect transition into our third segment. Thank 797 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,240 Speaker 1: you for the call. We're going to take our second break. 798 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: Brian and Iowa just set us up perfectly. Are they 799 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: Cowboys going to pick at twenty six? 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Very few tickets remain. Get yours before they're 845 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:10,359 Speaker 1: gone at seegeek dot com. You missed it. I wanted 846 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: to do it again here, Isaiah, again, I talk about 847 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: two titans of their industry, darthing Dolly. I mean, are 848 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: you kidding me, Dolly, I'm gonna have to try and 849 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: sneak into that one. Nobody heard that from upstairs. I'm watching. No, 850 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna sneak into that one. 851 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,839 Speaker 1: All right, Our friend Brian and Iowa set us up 852 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: very nicely. I like Iowa, Isaiah. Would you if you 853 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: were the Cowboys at twenty six? Would you rather I'll 854 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: keep it simple, trade up or trade down? In this draft? 855 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: What would you rather do? Trade up, spend some picks, 856 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: go get a higher quality prospect, or pull the parachute, 857 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: get out and take in some high quality picks in return. 858 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: It's the only options I have, only two. Give me 859 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: the double parachute for three thousands. Wow. Double you're trading 860 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: out twice. You're gonna trade down to thirty four and 861 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: then to trade down to forty five. John Schneider approach. 862 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,839 Speaker 1: He trades out the seventh round. Um, yeah, go go 863 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: get some more. Okay, get some more. I'm not necessarily 864 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: for this year, but and you know, for years to come. 865 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: But I don't want them trading out. I think twenty 866 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: six is a good spot for words for what they 867 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,359 Speaker 1: need right now. I think they've done a great job 868 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 1: positioning themselves before the twenty six pit. Okay, that's not 869 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,359 Speaker 1: a bad idea. If Vijon is not there at a round, 870 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,840 Speaker 1: and I've said it, if he's there, still in the 871 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,359 Speaker 1: clock at nineteen, still available at nineteen, you're on the phone, 872 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: you should be making some calls. Assuming he's gone, and 873 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: I think he's going top ten, definitely top fifteen. Um, 874 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: put the parachute, get out of there, because I feel 875 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: like the odds of you, anyone you pick at twenty 876 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,319 Speaker 1: six of Viala, notwithstanding, towards, notwithstanding, will be there for 877 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,799 Speaker 1: you at you know, thirty eight, thirty nine. And then 878 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: you get back on a pick having already sent two 879 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: picks away, which Kyle and I were laughing about before 880 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: we got on, before we went hot, because you sent 881 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: two fits away, one for Gilmore, one for Cooks. And 882 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 1: we're not saying that's a bad thing, because it's not 883 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,759 Speaker 1: a bad thing. We're simply saying it's, you know, objectively, 884 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: it's the fact you sent away two picks, and we 885 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: love the reason you sent those away. However, here's a 886 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 1: chance to get a pick back and a plus one back. 887 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: And again, you're not talking I wouldn't double parachute like, no, 888 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,920 Speaker 1: we're not, we're not. But if you're talking about going 889 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 1: from twenty six too, you know, high thirties, low forties, 890 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: get you another pick still in a great position for 891 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: early day too, I think i'd be I'm completely fine 892 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: with that. I know a lot of Cowboys fans who 893 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 1: will be sitting around all night on Thursday waiting to 894 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: see who the Cowboys pick in the first round, just 895 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 1: to find out that the Cowboys traded back, will be 896 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 1: very upset. But we've also seen that just because you're 897 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: upset one day doesn't mean you won't be elated at 898 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: the next circle back to free agency if you need evidence, 899 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 1: or even years draft too. A lot of people on 900 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: Twitter were posting their reactions to Tyler Smith. I would 901 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 1: absolutely trade a fun Day one for an electric day two. Okay, 902 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: that's a fair way. And you mentioned a lot of 903 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 1: names earlier, the thirty visit names. If you're looking at 904 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 1: bread crumbs with this Cowboys team the way that they 905 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 1: brought in those thirty visits, those prospects are second round 906 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,240 Speaker 1: early second round picks. A lot of them are too 907 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,839 Speaker 1: rich for fifty eight. They're not going to be there 908 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 1: at fifty eight, but they're also not valuable enough for 909 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:44,239 Speaker 1: twenty six exactly. So if you're looking at that, then 910 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,080 Speaker 1: that means trading down as a possibility to get multiple 911 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: of those guys. Think about this, if if you were 912 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,280 Speaker 1: to trade up, I've heard of a couple landing spots. 913 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: Sixteen is one. If they really wanted to go get 914 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,399 Speaker 1: up and try and get Bijeon. Bijean makes it out 915 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 1: of the top fifteen, Bijean Robinson, the running back for 916 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 1: Texas is there. It's sixteen, You get on the phone, 917 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,960 Speaker 1: you start making calls to try and get up to sixteen, 918 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen. It's probably gonna cost you. You're twenty 919 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 1: sixth overall pick, maybe a second rounder and then maybe 920 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:21,479 Speaker 1: like like a late round six. This question at twenty six. 921 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,920 Speaker 1: This is for all as in giggles. Okay, you have 922 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,960 Speaker 1: an option to get Bijan or an option to get 923 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,359 Speaker 1: a Vila. It's not even like you heat they're both 924 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: at twenty Sorry, Steve, I'm asked at twenty six. Now 925 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,439 Speaker 1: I'm going straight to Bijean and I'm running that card. 926 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,520 Speaker 1: The reason I've been a long career Bijan I'm not 927 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,399 Speaker 1: even and I'm no, I'm not even gonna play that game. 928 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 1: I think Bijan's a better player. I would say I 929 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,880 Speaker 1: was out on talking about Bijean because I eat in 930 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,239 Speaker 1: no world. I see him available at twenty six. But 931 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,279 Speaker 1: in this scenario, if he's there at twenty six, what 932 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,080 Speaker 1: are we even doing? Backflips? What have you been talking about? Seriously, 933 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,239 Speaker 1: what are we talking about? I've I've heard some interesting things. 934 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,759 Speaker 1: If he's there twenty six, you grab Beijan to twenty six. Yeah, Unfortunately, 935 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,799 Speaker 1: you lose out on the villa. And I'm huge on 936 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,440 Speaker 1: a villa. But you lose out on the villa. Then 937 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 1: what you can do, though, is you can package to 938 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 1: move up in the second round from fifty eight and 939 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,319 Speaker 1: you go back and you you dress the offensive line there. 940 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: So now you got your electric running back and you 941 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 1: address your offensive line and then you go from there 942 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,239 Speaker 1: and figure it out. But yeah, I know you don't 943 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: like drifting a running back to you at twenty six. 944 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,520 Speaker 1: That's almost like getting Beijan in the second round. I 945 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,120 Speaker 1: take basically, I'm taking emotions out of it. I'm taking 946 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 1: emotions out. I'm not saying you are trust if you 947 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,720 Speaker 1: go watch, I'm looking at it for I get it. 948 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,839 Speaker 1: But he only do it my emotions. But he can 949 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 1: only do as much as his offensive line allows. For 950 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,719 Speaker 1: his offensive line in Texas was absolute garbage. He still 951 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: ran for fourteen hundred yards and twenty touchdowns. I think 952 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 1: I think he's fine. Yeah, Ezekiel was kind of good 953 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,920 Speaker 1: in Cauage to so I mean, yeah, yeah, how long 954 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,839 Speaker 1: did you How long did he last year? Seven years? Okay, 955 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:09,560 Speaker 1: that's how long would alignment last year? WHOA are we talking? 956 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,200 Speaker 1: We're talking about Tyran Smith? Are we talking about I'm 957 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,760 Speaker 1: talking about I'm talking about Zach Martin. I'm talking about Fredericks. 958 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,040 Speaker 1: I'm talking about you know what I mean. Like but 959 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,920 Speaker 1: Cyrus Torrence and Steve or not Travis Frederick and not 960 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,960 Speaker 1: Zach Martin. It is more comparable to put Bijean up 961 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 1: against the OSU version of Ezekiel Elliot than it would 962 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,839 Speaker 1: be to put Torrence who a veal, up against Zach 963 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,480 Speaker 1: Martin or you know, Travis Frederick out of Wisconsin or 964 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: Tyren Smith. It's those are two different conversations. I get it, 965 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 1: over and kneed. I got a question. I got a question, Yes, 966 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,279 Speaker 1: I got it. Would you have taken Ezekiel Elliot at 967 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,160 Speaker 1: twenty six overall if that was the scenario. If the 968 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: answer is yes, you just answered your question. I have 969 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,080 Speaker 1: to go back and look at what the rossal like 970 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,040 Speaker 1: back then. No, I mean in this scenario because again no, Bijean, 971 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 1: I think I think it's easier to find a free 972 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: agent running back than it is to find a dominant 973 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,520 Speaker 1: office alignment. Agree. That's that's my that's my only person. 974 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,160 Speaker 1: I agree that in a vacuum that is one accurate 975 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 1: And there's no one who pounds the table more for 976 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:19,399 Speaker 1: RBS matter than be period hands down. That said, not 977 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,359 Speaker 1: all rbs are created the same, so what you will 978 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,440 Speaker 1: get in free agency is not always going to be 979 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,560 Speaker 1: what you might get if you have a shot at 980 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,920 Speaker 1: a Beijan or an Ezekiel Elliott. Could you have replaced 981 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,360 Speaker 1: to Marco Murray with the free agent running back? Yeah, 982 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,680 Speaker 1: you got a thousand yards out of Darren mcfatten. But 983 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,440 Speaker 1: was Darren mcfatten ever going to be for you with 984 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,760 Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott was for you in his prime? The answer 985 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 1: is no. Is a free agent going to be what 986 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,600 Speaker 1: Bijan can be for you? No disrespect to any free agent, 987 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,920 Speaker 1: they all bring value to the table, but let's have 988 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,480 Speaker 1: a straight honest conversation. The answer is no. So if Bijan, 989 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, is there at twenty six, that's the answer. 990 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,120 Speaker 1: That's the pick. But I don't see that he will 991 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:07,000 Speaker 1: be super hypothetical. I just go by. I don't think 992 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,480 Speaker 1: it's out of the question. I really don't. And here's 993 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,840 Speaker 1: the thing. If you're if you're a team in the 994 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,399 Speaker 1: top ten, you're having this exact same conversation because there 995 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,680 Speaker 1: are more dominant players in the top tenation. That's what 996 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,239 Speaker 1: I'm saying. At twenty six, it should not be a 997 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,359 Speaker 1: conversation because, like you said initially, that's a second round 998 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,600 Speaker 1: grade on a player. For the most part, Bijan's a 999 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,839 Speaker 1: top ten player in this draft. But because of the 1000 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,600 Speaker 1: positional value, I don't think it's out of the ordinary 1001 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,960 Speaker 1: that he does slip to twenty six. Do you think 1002 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:41,040 Speaker 1: do I think it's likely? No? Do I think it's possible. Absolutely? Now, I, 1003 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,400 Speaker 1: like I said, I agree with what your statement was, 1004 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,360 Speaker 1: where it's easier to find a running back than it 1005 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,160 Speaker 1: is to find a dominant offensive lineman. If you could 1006 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:54,680 Speaker 1: guarantee me that Osirius Torrence Steve Avula are going to 1007 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 1: be those dominant forces, they're going to be the Zach 1008 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,200 Speaker 1: Martins of the world. Yes, give me those guys, but 1009 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,400 Speaker 1: they're neither one of those or guarantees. There are knocks 1010 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,680 Speaker 1: against both of their games. Bijean, it's hard to even 1011 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,160 Speaker 1: knock his game because he was that dominant. Listen, think 1012 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:16,239 Speaker 1: about it this way. Think about it this way, Lamb Cooks, Gallup, Ferguson, 1013 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:21,719 Speaker 1: Hinder shot Pollard Bijon with decade quarterback stop him. I 1014 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,600 Speaker 1: dare you give it your best shot? Good luck? I mean, 1015 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 1: this is what you could put in your hypothetical, This 1016 00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,600 Speaker 1: is what you could have with a twenty sixth overall. Peek, 1017 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,560 Speaker 1: I hear you. You know you know New Yor Giants 1018 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,680 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. No, you're Washington Commander's defensive lines. I knew 1019 00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,200 Speaker 1: what I knew that was coming. Do you know. I'm 1020 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,239 Speaker 1: more I'm more confident. I'm more confident that Bijean will 1021 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,640 Speaker 1: make an instant impact than I am, as much as 1022 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,839 Speaker 1: I love I am. You're talking, You're talking to somebody 1023 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,320 Speaker 1: who played with like a physical specimen like Brandon Jacobs. 1024 00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,799 Speaker 1: If you get to him in the backfield, it doesn't 1025 00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,560 Speaker 1: matter matter how great he is, it doesn't matter how 1026 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 1: dominant of a physical juggernaut he is. If you get 1027 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:06,520 Speaker 1: to him in the backfield, if you let him get 1028 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,560 Speaker 1: past the line of scrimmage because offensive line is blocking 1029 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,719 Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, now you got problems. You're not. This 1030 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,400 Speaker 1: is why I totally get what you double back in 1031 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,160 Speaker 1: the second round, even move up and address your offensive line. 1032 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,239 Speaker 1: I'm not saying ignore your offensive line. So for those 1033 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,560 Speaker 1: that are listening, Isaiahs, we'll go different hole. Isaiahs one 1034 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,160 Speaker 1: percent correct. What I'm simply adding on is you don't 1035 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,200 Speaker 1: pass on a value like beijon a top ten pick 1036 00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,200 Speaker 1: at twenty six. You say yesterday, you pull the trigger, 1037 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,759 Speaker 1: and then you figure the offensive line out with the 1038 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,879 Speaker 1: Knicks pick that's what I'm saying, all right. What I'm 1039 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,319 Speaker 1: saying is we got to get out of here before 1040 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,680 Speaker 1: Being kicks us out. But that's gonna do it for us. 1041 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,759 Speaker 1: It's gonna be Nate. Yeah, Nate's gonna come in here 1042 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,000 Speaker 1: and he's gonna be talking about offensive lineman. He's gonna 1043 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,960 Speaker 1: join Isaiah's forces, and it's just gonna be over for us. 1044 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,520 Speaker 1: But that's it, all right. We had some fun. We 1045 00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,279 Speaker 1: had a lot of stuff today. We went all over 1046 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,080 Speaker 1: the place for Chris being Isaiah standback Patrick, No see Walker. 1047 00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:02,319 Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long, Yes, good cashab Yes, yes, yes. 1048 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,480 Speaker 1: We recently lost a legend in the wrestling world, one 1049 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:11,399 Speaker 1: half of the famous Bushwhackers sadly passed away and as 1050 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,600 Speaker 1: huge wrestling fans, and of course we'll do this for 1051 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,360 Speaker 1: Rob as Will, who is another huge wrestling fan, and 1052 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,600 Speaker 1: we honor him every day with the bushwhacker motion and 1053 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,960 Speaker 1: it just means that much more so now, so rest well, 1054 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,320 Speaker 1: King very well said, We'll see you next week on 1055 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,160 Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. 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