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Speaker 1: those in extreme environments. And so the fact that one

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Speaker 1: of my friends, George Sorial, has decided to join us

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Speaker 1: today is not both just exciting for me because of

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Speaker 1: also because of the knowledge base he has and our

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Speaker 1: further ado, I'd love to welcome George to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, David, my honor, my pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 2: Those are some very kind words. I'm not sure I

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Speaker 2: deserve them all, all right, that's what you always say,

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Speaker 2: but I do appreciate them. So thank you.

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Speaker 3: Good, You're welcome. I think you know everybody.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we're in this crazy space of the tsunami of

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Speaker 1: this eight channel you know, fish bowl of information, and

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Speaker 1: now it's at an all time high. In particular, you

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Speaker 1: is is the craziness is even more expansive, and it's

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Speaker 3: Why does he do? Why is he operate like this?

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Speaker 3: What gives him the right for this? Or he's like

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Speaker 1: You're a person that has known the president intimately for

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Speaker 1: twenty five years now, and I thought it would be

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Speaker 1: interesting to start the conversation with what it was like

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Speaker 2: Sure, well, I think shortly I would first say that

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. It wasn't you know. If somebody

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Speaker 2: never have believed it. I immigrated to this country when I

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Speaker 2: boat for me. Well, no, my father is an Egyptian

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Speaker 2: He was a head and neck surgeon. But again, I,

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Speaker 2: like many people, I went to college. I didn't really

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Speaker 2: just being very honest and blunt, and I spent some

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Speaker 2: Then I met Trump. I actually met him on the

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Speaker 2: It was a we were representing a group of Wall

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Speaker 2: I walked up to him, and you know, as a

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Speaker 2: The rest is history. But at the time I was

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Speaker 2: always had this thing in me, David, that every so

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Speaker 1: Was it a difficult transition coming from a big law

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Speaker 2: It was. It was different, and you know, I just

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Speaker 2: I said, okay, you know that. That was the other

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Speaker 1: And I think you think that's really what entrenches somebody

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Speaker 3: It's that fear.

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Speaker 2: It's that core change is a trigger for fear. And

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Speaker 2: Something really appealing to me about you know, I'd always

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Speaker 1: Did he do you think he knew how hard it

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think we didn't think it would be

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Speaker 2: And I remember at the time he said to me,

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Speaker 3: Talk about premonition, talk about yeah, a paradigm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, But you know, really, in a long way

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Speaker 2: there were others. You know, his children were very well respected.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there was no clear you know, there's nothing

434
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Speaker 2: more clear than who ran the company, right, So there

435
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 2: was that kind of you know, where is this going

436
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: to go? But I think when everyone you know, I

437
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: remember he once asked me and I said, well, you know,

438
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: if you're going to run from behind your desk and

439
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: fifth Avenue. I don't know what's going to happen, but

440
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 2: and I really meant that. I said to him, if

441
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Speaker 2: you're going to get out and meet people, I think

442
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: you can win. Really you felt that, yeah, because there

443
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: was something, you know, there was once. You know, he

444
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: took a lot of and kind of giving his views

445
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: on things and trying to teach the people that he

446
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: worked with. And you know, there was one day where

447
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 2: we were working on a construction site and he he

448
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: just said to me, you know, I'm successful. People ask

449
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: me all the time why am I successful? And he said,

450
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: it's really easy. I just look, I look at what

451
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: people want and I give it to him.

452
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: Right.

453
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Speaker 2: So he's also a voracious reader. I mean he reads everything.

454
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: And you know, if you think about the elegance and

455
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 2: the simplicity of that statement, I look at what people

456
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: want and I give it to them. You know. Again,

457
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: that's another paradigm for what he did in twenty sixteen. Right,

458
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: people got fed up of the politicians. I mean, even

459
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: you know, everybody from you know, it doesn't matter was

460
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: what side of the aisle you were. You know, even

461
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: people like myself who try to be you know, I

462
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: watched the news. People were getting fed up with what

463
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 2: was going on, and I say that that means both

464
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: sides of the aisle. And it was really refreshing to

465
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: have a business person like him, who is not a

466
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: Washington guy, come in and really bring a new approach

467
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: to how, you know, we ran our country because I

468
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: think you know, again, I don't I don't want to

469
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: get too political in this conversation, but I think everyone

470
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: would agree that DC was in need of something different.

471
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: We may disagree about what that solution does.

472
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 3: That's fine and pretty definitive.

473
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: I would say too, David. There's nothing wrong with political discourse.

474
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with a wide variety of political opinions.

475
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm still friends with many people that disagree,

476
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: but I think we all kind of had this feeling

477
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: that we need something different. And he answered that voice. Now,

478
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: whatever you think about him, and you know, again, I

479
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: don't see him through rose colored lenses. There are things that,

480
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: like anybody, he says and does that you know, we

481
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: may say and do differently. But I think what people

482
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: found very attractive is, you know what came from inside.

483
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: The motivation was pure right, Okay, the motivation was to

484
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: undo this damage and change the trajectory of I don't

485
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: care what anybody says. I can say this. As an immigrant,

486
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: I was raised with the ethos that the United States

487
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: is the envy of the world. Do we do it perfectly? No,

488
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: there's no such thing as perfection. But people from all

489
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: over the world still to this day, come here and

490
00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: they find freedom and they enjoy a lifestyle that doesn't

491
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Speaker 2: exist for the overwhelming majority of people on this earth.

492
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: I mean, we can go on a show like this

493
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Speaker 2: and I can criticize the president and I can say

494
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: anything I want. Most countries, you can't do that. Now

495
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: you're going to and I think there are there are

496
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: a lot of people in this country that don't appreciate

497
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: that freedom. But something that my parents would say to

498
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: me envy of the world, almost on a daily basis,

499
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: the United States is the envy of the world. You're

500
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: lucky to be here. We would spend a lot of

501
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: time traveling seeing our family in the Middle East, you know,

502
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: even around Europe, and I felt that when I came home,

503
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: I said, I'm really happy that I'm home.

504
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: Wow, that's cool.

505
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: So I think he went there he felt to kind

506
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: of rekindle that greatness of America because I you know,

507
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: again I don't want to be partisan, but I think

508
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: we can all agree that, you know, look at Reagan,

509
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Speaker 2: Let's say, for example, look at the greatness of America.

510
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: That's right.

511
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: We had fallen as a guy that at the time

512
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: was going all over the world apologizing, working with different people,

513
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: you could see that we had lost our luster, and

514
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: people will kind of take you aside and say, what's

515
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: going on.

516
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Speaker 1: Well, I think for me, I felt that just in

517
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Speaker 1: my service alone. Like I mean, I worked for Clinton,

518
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: I worked for George Bush Junior, and I worked for Obama,

519
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: and you know, the transition obviously pre nine to eleven.

520
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think that the fiasco of

521
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: Somalia and Mogadishu, the fiasco of probably the Cobart Tower bombings,

522
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Speaker 1: and you know, just the the non strength that Clinton

523
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: was projecting was definitely felt in the organization in special operations.

524
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Speaker 1: And then obviously nine to eleven exploded. But then after

525
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Speaker 1: ten years and we're conducting of random drone strikes against

526
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 1: American citizens and you know, and their children. It's like, Okay,

527
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: where are we at now?

528
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: Peace through strength?

529
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at what cost right, And I think what

530
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: we had done is we had exhausted that goodwill of

531
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: America as well too, and we had contorted it. And

532
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: that leans me back to this idea. All right, So

533
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: he makes this decision and goes in.

534
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Speaker 3: What were some of the misconceptions.

535
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Speaker 1: Do you believe that that not only the organization, but

536
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Speaker 1: his team and his political team that they didn't expect

537
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Speaker 1: and what they faced.

538
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody ever expected the magnitude of hatred, Okay,

539
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: and I'm very specific to use that word, just hatred

540
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: that was thrown his way. Okay, I can tell you

541
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: you know. And again, and I'm speaking for my own

542
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: personal when someone went Obama was elected, I wasn't happy

543
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: that night. I woke up the next morning and I

544
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: said to myself, Okay, maybe something good will come out

545
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: of him. Maybe I'm wrong. This person is going to

546
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: be the next president of the United States. I will

547
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: support him, I will respect him, and I will hope

548
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: and pray that he is the best president ever. Why

549
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: Because then I'm an American and I want to support

550
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: my president succeeds the nation succeeds. He never was given

551
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: any of that. It was starting election night tear him down,

552
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: smear him, malign him with lies, malign his family with lies.

553
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have to go back much further

554
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: than Russia and all that nonsense, which has now been

555
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: completely completely to disproven, debunked. And I will add that

556
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: nobody been held accountable.

557
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: For that, not one.

558
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Speaker 1: I just released the show a little bit ago stating

559
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: this whole thing, like, all right, great, but where's the persecution, right?

560
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: Where when are we going to have some conviction? Just

561
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: give me one person, right, even if you you know,

562
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: even if you throw an indictment at James Camy, John Brennan,

563
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: whoever you want for even if it's not for the president,

564
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: it's at Mike Flynn or whatever capacity, the fives of

565
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: the guys.

566
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: Let's hope it's coming, David. And that's not you know,

567
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: people leave it label it as oh, it's a revenge.

568
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: It's not a revenge tour. It's justice. It's justice. It's

569
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: holding people who have broken the law, okay, broken the law,

570
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: holding them accountable. Okay. So it was really this whole

571
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: wave of hatred, and what's really hatred. Hatred is evil,

572
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 2: and I don't think anybody really expected, you know, and

573
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: again you weren't really dealing with a naive group of people.

574
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: But nobody really expected what the challenges that came at

575
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: him from day one. It was just an onslaught and

576
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: it really lasted. I mean, what else could they throw

577
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: at him? There will still go investigations and Pete's still

578
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: going on, impeachments, you know, assassination attempts. There's a real

579
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: there's just a sickness. But you know, I again being positive,

580
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 2: I think there are fringe elements, and they're on both sides.

581
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: For sure.

582
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 2: You have crazies on the right and you have crazies

583
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: on the left. But what I have seen and what

584
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: I find really encouraging is I think when you get

585
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: down to the nitty gritty and you scrape below, you know,

586
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: the politics on the surface, most people are actually you know,

587
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: and it's something that I talk about all the time.

588
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: They're the same, Yeah, okay, do we want we want

589
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: to be able to live in freedom. We want to

590
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: be able to have families, We want to support our families,

591
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: we want to be able to worship freely. We want

592
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 2: our children to have futures. You could say that about

593
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: a Democrat or Republican or anything. So I think the

594
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: good news is, although we're being fed otherwise, I don't

595
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: think that we are as divided as we're being told

596
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: we are. And I have a lot of optimism about

597
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: despite some of the craziness that's been hurled at DJT

598
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: over the first one hundred or so days, wherever we

599
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: are right now, I think when we get through some

600
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: of the really difficult challenges that we're dealing with right now,

601
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: we all know what they are. I do think that

602
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: you're going to see Trump actually uniting people because I

603
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: saw it in the organization. I saw it in his

604
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: leadership style. He isn't the person that he's painted out

605
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: to be, and he has an amazing ability of bringing

606
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 2: people together right And you can even see it now

607
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: what's going on internationally. You know. Again, I don't profess

608
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: to be an economic expert, and I don't want to

609
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: talk too much about tariffs. You know, for better or

610
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 2: for worse, they're bringing people to the table to have

611
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: discussions about, Okay, how can we level said, what's a

612
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: better way to move forward? You know again, maybe it

613
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: isn't the most elegant way, but sometimes you need a

614
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: disruptor to bring in change.

615
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: Well, I agree, couldn't agree more.

616
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: And I think what DC, what we're seeing and what

617
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: we have seen as a result of him being the

618
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: conduit for this hatred, you know, because he was he

619
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: was you couldn't buy him off. And I think that

620
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: was the thing that disrupted the blah or the deep

621
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: state or whatever you call it. So fundamentally we've seen

622
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: this now, you know, when you have you know, the

623
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: doge and exposing what USAID was actually spending money on

624
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: in fifty billion dollars and their annual budget, and we're

625
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: you know, the craziness that we're getting. You know, that's

626
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: going to disrupt a lot of people's bank accounts, and

627
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: that's going to disrupt the status quo in DC. You

628
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: have now since taking a break leaving the organization in seventeen,

629
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Speaker 1: was it?

630
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Speaker 2: I left in twenty nineteen. I nineteen when he became president,

631
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: David I kind of transitioned. I was executive vice president

632
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: and counsel much more focused on the development side. I

633
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: became Chief Compliance Council EVP and chief compliance counsel globally,

634
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: so I dealt with a lot of the issues that

635
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: were initially hurled at him, Monument's issues and I spent

636
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: a fair amount of time going back and forth in

637
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: Washington dealing with various congressional questions and inquiries.

638
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: What was that like?

639
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: I mean, here you're going and you're doing deals, and

640
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: now of a sudden, you're you know, having I mean,

641
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: compliance within the government is a matrix in and of itself,

642
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: and now you are being thrust into dealing with people

643
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: that have potentially a nefarious political agenda.

644
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: What was that try? You know, looking back, I certainly

645
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: was naive. It was not something that I had any

646
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: experience in. You know, again like my career pivot once

647
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: again pivoted. But I think it was you know, it

648
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Speaker 2: was an interesting opportunity. There was a need for it.

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Speaker 2: They had all been very good to me. I really

650
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Speaker 2: wasn't in a position to go and join the administration

651
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Speaker 2: for many reasons. So this was a way that I

652
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Speaker 2: could really help.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you so much for listening today. Pardon the interruption,

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Speaker 2: So I took the challenge, you know, happily, but it

686
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: wasn't any you know. And I should also say I

687
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 2: had a very very good team of people. We had,

688
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: you know, people within the organization. We had a whole

689
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Speaker 2: field of people that were really expert in that subject.

690
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: So I certainly, you know, I was probably the smallest,

691
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: you know, cog on that wheel of trying to figure

692
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: all this stuff out. But it was interesting because there

693
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: weren't regulations or statutes or case law that we could

694
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Speaker 2: go to. This was the first time something like this

695
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: had ever really happened. Wow. So we had all these

696
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: people coming to us and you know, saying, you know,

697
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: the initial issue that we dealt with was this whole

698
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: issue of the emoluments and all some some people would say, well,

699
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Speaker 2: you have to sell everything, and then I would respond

700
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Speaker 2: by saying, well you think it's really that easy, you know,

701
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Speaker 2: when you sell a house put it on the market,

702
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: it may sit there for a year. You know, it's

703
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: like trying to sell a three hundred million dollar hotel.

704
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Speaker 2: And then, oh, by the way, you can't sell to

705
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Speaker 2: people connected with foreign governments, which puts out everybody in

706
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: the Middle East and India and the Asia. You know,

707
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: the people would normally buy these things. So it was

708
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Speaker 2: really difficult. But we endeavored to do the best we

709
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Speaker 2: can in an unscripted territory, and you know, I think

710
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: we did a very good job. But you know, to

711
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: answer your question again, no nobody expected the depth of

712
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: the hatred, the complexity of the challenge, and really the

713
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: you know, if I'm being sincere, I mean the insanity

714
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Speaker 2: that was hurled at us. I mean, you had half

715
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Speaker 2: a government or more that was trying to tear their

716
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: own president down in every way. And you know, people

717
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: talk about all of the deep state, whatever you want

718
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: to call it, but you have this whole class of

719
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: entrenched civil servants, ninety nine percent of them are extremely

720
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 2: far left, and I witnessed it over and over again

721
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: that they would take it upon themselves to try to

722
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: interfere with the will of the president. The man that

723
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 2: was elected lawfully, lawfully by its citizens. So that whole

724
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: spirit that we hope I think that makes us different

725
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 2: as Americans. Where somebody gets elected and you support them,

726
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: even if maybe it's not the person you chose, but

727
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: you support them for the add of the nations, You

728
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 2: respect the office for whatever reason. All that stuff went

729
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: out the window.

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Speaker 1: And well, I mean, I think the clearest sensation is,

731
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Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a group of traditional Washington insiders,

732
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Speaker 1: those bureaucratic lifers, if you will, that understand the complexities

733
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Speaker 1: of the grift, and they've gotten really good. I mean

734
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Speaker 1: when you look at, you know, just the web of NGOs, right,

735
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Speaker 1: the seven thousand or so NGOs that are affiliated with

736
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Speaker 1: the State Department, USAID and some of these other organizations,

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Speaker 1: the Center for an Institute for Peace or you know

738
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Speaker 1: these things, it's like, wait a minute, what's going on?

739
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: How does this work? Well, they figure it out, and

740
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Speaker 1: it's that that cyclicaless.

741
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Speaker 2: Pool of money. That's right, it's the cess pool and

742
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: it's our money. That's the thing that's so disgusting, David,

743
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: is that you know, another thing that amazes me, whatever

744
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: you think about Alon Musk and all that, this was

745
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: a man that came from nothing, yes okay, and built

746
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Speaker 2: what he built and overcame so many We should be

747
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: so grateful to have people like that that are willing

748
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: to come forward and serve. But it just shows you

749
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: how sick, how sick these people are. And we could

750
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Speaker 2: talk about you know, I happen to think that there's

751
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: a lot of it is evil, although they throw that.

752
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: You know, that's another thing. These are people that say

753
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: they're just in challenging the president and doing everything they're

754
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: doing because we're taking on evil. You got to be

755
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: very they use the terms right, You've got to be

756
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: very careful, David, right when you use that word. But

757
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: having lived through what I live through, and believe me,

758
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Speaker 2: on the spectrum of people that encountered headaches, the headaches

759
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: that I encountered were very minor compared to others and

760
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: certainly compared to the family and him, nobody contemplated that

761
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: level of hatred.

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Speaker 1: I heard at one point that his legal bills a

763
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Speaker 1: month were twenty thirty million plus.

764
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Speaker 2: Would not surprise me. And you know, aside from just

765
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Speaker 2: a mental train of being you know, questioned, investigated, challenged,

766
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 2: you know, here you are trying to run a nation

767
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Speaker 2: which still leads the world. I mean, we do have

768
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 2: a responsibility. I'm not going to suggest that America needs

769
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Speaker 2: to be the world's policemen, but we are leaders, and

770
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Speaker 2: we do have a responsibility, especially towards its weaker nations,

771
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: to lead, to protect, Okay, to provide support. So you

772
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: have all those challenges in addition to managing the domestic headache,

773
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: and you know, you have every person out there that

774
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: disagrees with you trying to undermine and destroy you. Not easy,

775
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: but it also shows you the strength. I mean, this

776
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: guy's a warrior, David sure, you know, this guy just

777
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: thrives on conflict. And you know that never give up ethos.

778
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's another thing that was really instilled in

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Speaker 2: all of us in the organization. You don't quit. You

780
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: don't quit under any circumstance. So that's something that I

781
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: very much try to instill in my own children and

782
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 2: then the people around us. We can fail, Okay, failure

783
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: is acceptable as a matter of fact. You measure, you know,

784
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: what a person is made of when they fail? You

785
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: see can they get up? Can they You know, we

786
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 2: all fail, But quitting, no way, It's just not an option. Well,

787
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Speaker 2: and I think that's something that you know, sometimes people

788
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: will say, what what what makes somebody successful? And I think, uh,

789
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: you know certainly that you know, I don't quit. That

790
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: mentality is you know, a primary primary driver of how

791
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Speaker 2: you're going to do in life.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting where we we we kind of really

793
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 1: intensified our relationship was there was around that time where

794
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: you had decided like I'm done, I just want to

795
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Speaker 1: get away from it, I want to go, I want

796
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Speaker 1: my life back, I want all of that.

797
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Speaker 3: And you know, we.

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Speaker 1: We talked, we'd have these beautiful talks about you know,

799
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Speaker 1: the intensity of of of what that integrity looks like

800
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: being in the fight that never quit mindset. And those

801
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: are you know, some of my most fondest memories during

802
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: those very difficult times over the last four years, because

803
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: as as you and your colleagues watched a relentless pursuit

804
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: if you will, you know, I saw, you know, my

805
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: colleagues and the work that we've done essentially demoralized in

806
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: terms of the Afghan withdrawal, you know, the tempted conviction

807
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: of Eddie Gallagh or you know, all of this madness

808
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: that like, you know, in a different space and different

809
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: industry obviously, but it was there, and so the recognition

810
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: of that potential and what it grew into I think

811
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: is transformative and it really affected me, you know, I

812
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Speaker 1: you know, it got me back wanting to do this,

813
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: but to do it in a way that now I

814
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: can have these conversations when we can discuss these things

815
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: in a much more articulator or a sense not sensitive,

816
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: but or an intimate measure, right, a reflection of, Hey,

817
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Speaker 1: what are the challenges and what looking forward? Coming through

818
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: all of that transition. You know, you re engaged in

819
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: that never quit mindset and you launched Javelin Advisors.

820
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Speaker 3: Can you talk a little.

821
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Speaker 1: Bit why you wanted to do that, knowing what the

822
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Speaker 1: landscape you had just kind of navigated for the prior

823
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Speaker 1: eight years and what you and your.

824
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Speaker 3: Team hope to accomplish moving forward.

825
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Speaker 2: Sure. Javelin Advisors is a government relations, consulting and lobbying firm.

826
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Speaker 2: We're based in Washington. The genesis behind it was really simple.

827
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Speaker 2: We had this favorable change politically and we saw it

828
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Speaker 2: a you know, obviously as an opportunity for us to

829
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: do something different for ourselves, for our families, but equally

830
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Speaker 2: or maybe more importantly, we saw it as an opportunity

831
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Speaker 2: to do some good. We know a lot of people

832
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: that are currently in government and we would like to

833
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: use those contacts to help to do some good. So

834
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Speaker 2: the you know, myself, my longtime friend Keith Schiller, and

835
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 2: also my longtime friend Rob Siden we all came together

836
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Speaker 2: and said, look, you know, let's see if we could

837
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Speaker 2: do some good here and none of us. I worked

838
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: with Keith for a long time in the Trump organization.

839
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Speaker 2: Keith started his career in the Navy. Then he spent

840
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Speaker 2: many years in law enforcement NYPD detective, then came on

841
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: board to the organization. He was head of security globally,

842
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: was also President Trump's personal bodyguard, and when President Trump

843
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: went to the Oval Office, Keith was director of Operations

844
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Speaker 2: for the Oval Office. Robert Sidon is another close friend,

845
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Speaker 2: longtime lawyer, legendary New York City prosecutor under the Great

846
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Speaker 2: Bob Morgenthaw. I think he spent fifty fifteen years in there,

847
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 2: never lost the case. He has his own specialty firm.

848
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Speaker 2: Their a litigation boutique shop, and he also has an

849
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: investigations firm globally. His firm actually did a lot of

850
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: the investigations for the organization when we were vetting partners.

851
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: So that's initially how I met Rob. So it was

852
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 2: a closely knit, tight group of people and we brought

853
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: in you know, we've a lot of other people that

854
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: work for us, but we're very focused. We're focused on

855
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 2: higher level West Wing Cabinet. We're currently doing some Farro work.

856
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: We have a number of different clients, but again the

857
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Speaker 2: focus is to try to do some good, try to

858
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Speaker 2: do some good for the United States, try to bring

859
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Speaker 2: some not so friendly governments closer to the United States.

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Speaker 2: Introduced the whole concept of economic diplomacy. Well, I shouldn't

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Speaker 2: really say introduce. It's something that's been out revitalized, reinforce

862
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: it that, you know, I'll even go so far as

863
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 2: to say this. You know, in the Middle East, there's

864
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: a lot of players there that over the past twenty

865
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: or thirty years, they may not love each other, but

866
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 2: they started to work together. They started to do business

867
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: with each other, one step at a time. Hey, I'm

868
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: doing business with this guy. He's on the other side

869
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: of the line. But he's got a wife like I do,

870
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: he's got kids like I do. He's got the same

871
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: sort of drives in life. So through that concept of

872
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: doing business, you start to get to know people and

873
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: you know, again, I can use the Middle East, I

874
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: can even use places like Northern Ireland where I've done

875
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: a lot of work. Different parties may not love each other,

876
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 2: there's still some distrust, but they're working together, there's peace,

877
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 2: they're moving in the right direction. So that was a

878
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: big part of the push for what we're doing by

879
00:52:55,239 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 2: trying to bring in these concepts of economic diplomacy to

880
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: try to do some good for the United States and

881
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: for our clients.

882
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: I think that is a fascinating analysis.

883
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: So often people throw out that term of lobbyists and

884
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: the negative connotations already infused into it regardless. Right, But

885
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: what people don't understand is that beneath the geopolitical aspect, right,

886
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: your army's this army where this we're going to. This

887
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: is how we're going to establish some type of interaction.

888
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: There's a million other avenues towards that, and the most

889
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: predominant an effective tool is through business. That's right, And

890
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: people don't understand that it's a.

891
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 2: Very powerful tool. Business brings prosperity. When people can work,

892
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 2: they can feed and provide for their families. It's less

893
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 2: likely they're going to fight with each other, right, So

894
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 2: that's a big part of what we're doing. You know,

895
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: I can't get into minutia, but we are doing a

896
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 2: lot of work with Pakistan. Well, we are foreign agents,

897
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: we registered under Pharah, and you know, initially I'd be

898
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 2: disingenuous to admit that it wasn't something that we thought

899
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: about and you know, did a lot of kind of

900
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 2: internal discussion. But what we've found, we've confirmed. I mean,

901
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 2: they are very Pakistan has an interesting past, but the

902
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: current regime that we're working with, These are very smart,

903
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: well educated, pro West. They did what they had to

904
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: do under prior administrations that maybe didn't treat them so well.

905
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: But everything that we're seeing now is a willingness to

906
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 2: work with the United States on all levels, to trade

907
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: with us, to share information with us. You know, a

908
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: lot of what the administration and again I should say

909
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: very clearly that I am not part of the administration.

910
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: I was never part of the administration. I don't speak

911
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: on behalf of the administration. But a lot of the

912
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: efforts now are counter China. We've put ourselves in a

913
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: very vulnerable position, whether it's with medications or minerals where

914
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: we're dependent on a you know, I don't know if

915
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 2: you want to call them a hostile power, but a

916
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 2: foreign power for things that we need, and we're all

917
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 2: guilty of it.

918
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: Data.

919
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we paid a dollar for something that,

920
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: had we made here, would have cost us three. I mean,

921
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: this is thirty years.

922
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 3: Of exporting that that thing for cheaper labor.

923
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: At the cost of our own national security and the

924
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 2: national security our own citizens. We're trying to pull it

925
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 2: all back.

926
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 3: Well, that's fascinating to me.

927
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: You know, you talked a little bit about you just

928
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: mentioned minerals, and for what most people don't understand is

929
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: how pivotal rare minerals are for the development of pretty

930
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: much almost every new technology that's out there.

931
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 2: Cell phones, watches, vehicles, of course, the defense sector. I mean,

932
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: you you name you know the item or the sector,

933
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 2: and you will find that minerals are needed. You know,

934
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 2: minerals are needed, Lithium is needed for batteries. Well, guess what.

935
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 2: Ninety five percent of our minerals are sourced from foreign adversaries,

936
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 2: mainly China and Russia. And what's even more maddening is

937
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: that the excavation that we're doing here in the United States.

938
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: For example, there's a rare earth facility in Mountain Pass, California.

939
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 2: We don't have refineries here, so anything that gets pulled

940
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 2: out of the ground is sent to China and then no.

941
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 2: So we've allowed ourselves over decades to become extremely vulnerable.

942
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,959
Speaker 2: And this was actually something that Trump won the first

943
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: administration recognized as not just the supply chain issue, but

944
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: a matter of national security. And the tragedy of it

945
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: as well is that we have a lot of these

946
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,919
Speaker 2: materials here in the United States. So there's a real

947
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: effort now to change some of the regulations that have

948
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: been holding up drilling to start to mine and refine

949
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: these minerals here in the United States. But in the interim,

950
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 2: you know it's going to it doesn't happen overnight. Now,

951
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: you know, it's a five to ten year process. We're

952
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: headed down the right trash. But we have countries again

953
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 2: like Pakistan that are coming to Again, these are not

954
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: countries that historically, you know, have been that aligned with

955
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: the United States, but now they're coming in to fill

956
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: these gaps, and you know, I see a real willingness

957
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: from Pakistan and a number of other nations to kind

958
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 2: of move away from where they've been with China and

959
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: become much more aligned with the.

960
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: United States is fascinating.

961
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm you know, you always hope. I mean, people get

962
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: so caught up on the wavetops of what they're seeing

963
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, and they don't understand the minutia

964
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: of the energy that drives the wavetop, and so it's

965
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: fascinating that you can come on and really illuminate that

966
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: a little bit more for people out there.

967
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: And these are tremendous I mean, if you think about it,

968
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: you know, I think let's all be optimistic about the

969
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: whole situation now that's brewing between India and Pakistan, because

970
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: these are two great nations that have over two billion people,

971
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 2: that have tremendous resource, tremendous history. You know. I saw

972
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 2: the President make a comment coming off of Air Force

973
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 2: one that you know, look, we want to resolve this

974
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: by doing deals and getting everybody to work together instead

975
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 2: of with bullets. And I thought that was a great

976
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 2: love it, you know thing we have to stop, you know,

977
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: resist this urge to engage in kinetic warfare. I think

978
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: you can understand it's not you know, to me, you

979
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: go to war, is it necessary? Yes, when all else fails,

980
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: it's necessary. And we're very grateful that we have people

981
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: that are willing and able to do it, but it

982
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: represents a failure and really we should try to exhaust

983
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 2: every remedy before going that route. And I think this

984
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: whole concept of economic diplomacy, it's brilliant, it's a sound one,

985
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 2: and you know, let's exhaust that and a number of

986
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: other things before we send people's children, people's brothers, people's sisters,

987
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 2: people's sons, people's daughters, people's husbands and wives to face bullets.

988
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: And I think it's something that I have great admiration.

989
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 2: I mean, the President is strong, he's not going to

990
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: hesitate to defend us when necessary, but I think he

991
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 2: respects that it's a last resort.

992
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: On that. Just tell the audience a little bit about

993
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: your book, And.

994
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wrote a book, David. You know, it was published, yeah,

995
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: years ago, but really, the the the reasoning behind it. Again,

996
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: it was not something that I ever you know, I

997
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: never set out in my life to write a book.

998
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: But you know, I was having a conversation once in

999
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 2: the Oval office and he was very frustrated about you know,

1000
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: people that had written books about me. And he made

1001
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: a comment that you know people they sit with me

1002
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: for an hour and they say that they're my biographer

1003
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: and there my books. So I you know, said, look,

1004
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: I'd like to write a book. And you know, I

1005
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 2: got that stare for about thirty seconds, and he said,

1006
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: go ahead and do it, and his credit the book

1007
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: that you're holding, that's the version that he saw. There

1008
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: was no interference. I had, you know, a lot of

1009
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: help from my co author and a number of other

1010
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: people that contribute it to the book. But it was

1011
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: really an attempt to show the other side of him

1012
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 2: through example, through stories. It's a compilation of stories. It's

1013
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 2: very easy to read, very easy to digest. It doesn't

1014
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 2: really delve too much into the politics, but it gives

1015
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 2: you a slice of stories about what he was like,

1016
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 2: what it was like to work in the organization, what

1017
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: it was like to work in the family, how we

1018
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,439
Speaker 2: handle challenges, how we dealt with failure, how we dealt

1019
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 2: with victories. So it kind of gives you an insight

1020
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 2: into what he's like. And I've had people over the years, David,

1021
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 2: because I you know, we went out and promoted it heavily,

1022
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 2: and you know, we went on all the we did

1023
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 2: all the media circuit. I spoke at probably fifty different venues.

1024
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 2: I've had people come out to me and said, I

1025
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 2: hated the guy, but I read your book and I

1026
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: look at him a little different and it makes me

1027
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 2: really happy. That's kind of what I tried to do.

1028
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 2: So it was an attempt to really show the human

1029
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 2: side of him that I know, and it was also

1030
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 2: it was a fun, rewarding thing to do. I think

1031
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 2: there's probably another book or two once you get through it,

1032
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 2: you know. And again I really did have a lot

1033
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 2: of help from my co author. But once you, once

1034
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: you get through it, the drive to do it again.

1035
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 2: So I have that little voice now in my head

1036
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: that psyche, you gotta do a part two.

1037
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: Well let's hope that part two comes after a very

1038
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: successful another term.

1039
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 2: And thanks.

1040
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: So I hope you enjoyed this With George Sorial, he's

1041
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: an amazing human being, a great friend. Check him out

1042
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: on LinkedIn. He's got sorry' all consulting if you're interested.

1043
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Speaker 1: They deal a ton with business development, any type of

1044
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: other type of real estate development. They're a wonderful consulting firm,

1045
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: or if you're interested in check out Javelin Advisors.

1046
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, David, my pleasure, my friend. I'm

1047
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: almost happy to come and talk to you. Brother God,

1048
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 2: pleasure you