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Speaker 1: hopefully everyone's had a good weekend. Sun is shining, great

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Speaker 1: time for golf. Memorial Day right around the corner, then

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Speaker 1: Were big on organic reach. Uh well, I've been saying

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Speaker 1: it for a long time. Justin Thomas isn't just gonna

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Speaker 1: the great players in the history of the sport. Eldrick

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Speaker 1: Tiger Woods didn't just gravitate to this guy randomly. You know,

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Speaker 1: They literally could do it all high low stingers, draws,

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Speaker 1: in the extra holes, that low cut stinger. Like most

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Speaker 1: I make thirty starts five to seven times. I have

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