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Speaker 1: the country. As plans is starting to develop to open
Speaker 1: up sports, leagues are facing the very real possibility of
Speaker 1: competing without fans. And there's a lot of factors to
Speaker 1: consider here. First of all, you have public safety, you
Speaker 1: have the financial impact, and then just the logistics of
Speaker 1: getting everybody in one area to try to play these games.
Speaker 1: But something that's harder to quantify is really the bond
Speaker 1: between fans and the competitors. You know, that adrenaline rush
Speaker 1: you get from hearing the roar of the crowd, you
Speaker 1: hit a last second shot, you hit a home run,
Speaker 1: you strike somebody out with the bases loaded, the rituals
Speaker 1: of tailgating, the sense of community you have when your
Speaker 1: team goes out there rallying for the home team, and
Speaker 1: the stronger leagues can make this work financially. TV money
Speaker 1: has changed the way many sports are organized, and most
Speaker 1: of the industry should be able to survive without ticket revenue.
Speaker 1: As fans were hungry to watch. We want to watch
Speaker 1: something that's real, But something will be lost during the
Speaker 1: strange and unprecedented time. It'll be lost in translation there
Speaker 1: because we're going to be watching, we won't be there.
Speaker 1: They're going to be playing, but they won't hear us.
Speaker 1: It'll be something that we're not going to forget. Players
Speaker 1: are not going to forget. But hopefully it's a brief
Speaker 1: period that will be able to safely root for our
Speaker 1: favorite teams in person at some point. I know that
Speaker 1: we talk about jump starting the economy, and everybody wants
Speaker 1: that to happen. I don't understand when we attach sports
Speaker 1: to jump starting the economy. You jump start the economy
Speaker 1: through sports. If you're able to go to sports. If
Speaker 1: I can have one hundred thousand fans at the Big House,
Speaker 1: if I can get twenty thousand, it's staples. If I
Speaker 1: can get ninety thousand at the Coliseum to watch USC football,
Speaker 1: that's helping to jump start the economy. If you're playing
Speaker 1: a game and I can't go to the game, and
Speaker 1: all I'm doing is doing what I'm doing now, and
Speaker 1: that's sitting at home. That's not jumpstarting the economy. So
Speaker 1: I disagree with the leaders who say, hey, this will
Speaker 1: help jump start the economy until we get to go
Speaker 1: to a game. It's not jumpstarting the economy. It jump
Speaker 1: starts our mood because now we have something that we
Speaker 1: can watch that's live, instead of saying, hey, let me
Speaker 1: go back and watch something from nineteen seventy two. It's
Speaker 1: Kareem Abdul Jabbar and the Bucks against the Detroit Pistons, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, I was watching this morning. Kareem is
Speaker 1: so great. He is so great back then. So it
Speaker 1: was Oscar too, his point guard. And then you had
Speaker 1: some people talking yesterday, people who get paid to do this.
Speaker 1: The Vice president Vice President Pence had a call with
Speaker 1: college college commissioners, and you've had some reaction to this.
Speaker 1: USA Today said part of the call had to do
Speaker 1: with differentiating college sports from professional leagues. Pro athletes can
Speaker 1: collectively bargain their working conditions in their return to play.
Speaker 1: College athletes cannot. In fact, the liability of bringing college
Speaker 1: sports back too soon and exposing athletes to infection could
Speaker 1: be significant. The Commissioners USA Today goes on to say,
Speaker 1: will be the main entity that will decide when college
Speaker 1: sports return, with input from the NCAA and medical personnel.
Speaker 1: Of course, college football does not have a central authority.
Speaker 1: Most power is held by the Power five conferences, ACC,
Speaker 1: Big ten, Big twelve, Pack twelve. In sec you can't
Speaker 1: order them back, and you can't you can't say to
Speaker 1: your athletes, hey, it's not safe enough for students to
Speaker 1: come back, but come on back. Not gonna happen, can happen,
Speaker 1: And you can't say to them they're student athletes. I
Speaker 1: think it really puts them in a precarious position. Imagine
Speaker 1: if your kids, you know your children are one of
Speaker 1: those players, and you can't go back to school, but
Speaker 1: we want you to go back and play football. If
Speaker 1: they have safeguards put in place where everybody is tested,
Speaker 1: where those who need to get tested can get tested.
Speaker 1: But then we start to look at the athletes and
Speaker 1: you want to get them tested, and you're going to
Speaker 1: do that on a weekly basis. All it takes is
Speaker 1: one person to test positive, and then you shut down
Speaker 1: one person. Let's say Michigan's football comes back one player
Speaker 1: test positive, you shut it down right. Those are some
Speaker 1: of the hurdles that you have here, and that's where
Speaker 1: it's difficult. You know, you're talking about a mayor in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Mayor Garcetti. You're talking about the governor, Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 1: They're not going to be having fans in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: at sporting events, not anytime soon. You know, the NFL
Speaker 1: is planning on this. I told you, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's I don't even know what day it is sometimes,
Speaker 1: but was it a week ago or two weeks ago?
Speaker 1: The NFL's looking at a truncated schedule that they're looking
Speaker 1: at twelve game, fourteen game. Maybe you get to sixteen games,
Speaker 1: but they have to look at alternative plans here. Washington
Speaker 1: Post had that yesterday, Mark Maski, while still publicly committed
Speaker 1: to kicking off its twenty twenty season in September to
Speaker 1: pack stadiums, the NFL has been contemplating contingencies that include
Speaker 1: a potentially shortened schedule, holding games and empty or partially
Speaker 1: filled stadiums, and moving or rescheduling games if necessary. That's
Speaker 1: three people familiar with the league's planning set on Wednesday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got that information. Two weeks ago and they were
Speaker 1: looking at you know, it was probably going to be
Speaker 1: twelve games. I said, would they go down to ten?
Speaker 1: And I got a pause at the other end and said,
Speaker 1: probably not. They would want to try to get twelve
Speaker 1: games if possible. A lot of scenarios, and we should
Speaker 1: be thinking about scenarios. But I also think you got
Speaker 1: to Mike Trout said yesterday to Mike Treco on NBC
Speaker 1: Sports Network. Look, I don't want to be quarantined for
Speaker 1: four months. My wife is pregnant. I can't leave to
Speaker 1: then be there for the birth of my first child.
Speaker 1: But they want to get paid. They need to get paid.
Speaker 1: So there's so many different loopholes here. Can I put
Speaker 1: a big bubble over Phoenix and Scottsdale and Chandler, Arizona
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, go in there and it'll be safe.
Speaker 1: I hope it's safe. Can I do that to Florida
Speaker 1: where it's far more spread out. It's just a challenge
Speaker 1: here to try to do it. You got the WWE
Speaker 1: coming back, the UFC is going to be coming back.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk to the Commissioner of Golf the
Speaker 1: PGA tomorrow and ask about golf coming back. You know,
Speaker 1: I can see golf coming back. You know there is
Speaker 1: social distancing. I could see tennis coming back. There's social distancing.
Speaker 1: I don't have any fans there, but you could still
Speaker 1: hold those types of events. You could do remote cameras
Speaker 1: with golf. Augusta could set that up right now. They
Speaker 1: have the money, they have the infrastructure there to just
Speaker 1: set up remote cameras. It's not going to look pretty.
Speaker 1: You'll have robotic cameras. That's what we have here in
Speaker 1: the man Cave, robotic cameras. One person is in control
Speaker 1: of that, set it up. Number of people. You limit
Speaker 1: the number of people who go out to work on
Speaker 1: the course, and you hold an event. Now the players
Speaker 1: understand social distancing, You and your caddy. That's about it.
Speaker 1: I think you can do some of these sports. It's
Speaker 1: what are we rushing back for. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: jump starting the economy. And if it was, I'd say, okay,
Speaker 1: I understand, but if no fans can go, this is
Speaker 1: about TV revenue, This is about the TV networks here,
Speaker 1: This is about the players getting paid. That's not jump
Speaker 1: starting any economy. But we continue to search here and
Speaker 1: we continue to try to come up with scenarios which
Speaker 1: which we should It's when we put a time frame
Speaker 1: on these leagues on a decision. Look how many times
Speaker 1: we've done this all of the sports, you know, what
Speaker 1: should be able to come back in April. Hey, we're
Speaker 1: planning on coming back first to May. Hey, we're thinking
Speaker 1: about June. Hey, now there might not be football in
Speaker 1: the fall. Now we're talking about springfoot. We're all over
Speaker 1: the place here, and that's where it gets dangerous because
Speaker 1: you're pushing something that maybe it's the immovable force against
Speaker 1: the irresistible object. You've got to be careful of how
Speaker 1: much we push, how much we open this up. And
Speaker 1: I have friends who live in states and say, what
Speaker 1: is the big deal here? I have a friend who
Speaker 1: lived lives in Arizona. He's playing golf every day. He goes,
Speaker 1: We don't see anything. This isn't a big deal out here.
Speaker 1: I said, well, it might be, but there are other country,
Speaker 1: parts of the country that are severely impacted by this,
Speaker 1: and you've got to be fair to them. If you're
Speaker 1: Rutgers playing in the New York City area, can you
Speaker 1: really host a game? Can you travel Syracuse? Can you travel?
Speaker 1: Can somebody you know they're all these logistical nightmares. But
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're exploring it, and yes, we all want
Speaker 1: it to come back, but I just don't think anything's
Speaker 1: coming back anytime soon. There's gonna be a whole lot
Speaker 1: of pressure to do it. I just don't know if
Speaker 1: we could do it and make it safe for everybody.
Speaker 1: I don't get on any political soapbox. I try not to.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to be realistic. I'm being honest with
Speaker 1: you in what I see, what I hear, and what
Speaker 1: I think. There're no political I don't want to weaponize
Speaker 1: anything that to do with COVID nineteen. I don't. I
Speaker 1: had opportunity to go to Yale Hospital two days ago
Speaker 1: with my wife, who makes ice cream, and she wanted
Speaker 1: to hand it out to workers, just to show up
Speaker 1: and say, let's put a smile on their face. And
Speaker 1: you're witnessing the front lines. They have four hundred cases
Speaker 1: of corona virus there, and you could see in their
Speaker 1: faces they're shell shocked. They're like, oh my god, thank you,
Speaker 1: Like they just wanted something that's said thank you, smile
Speaker 1: on your faith, just anything. And they said, well, how
Speaker 1: come you're here, And I said, look I'm along for
Speaker 1: the ride, just to try to get some credit here
Speaker 1: with my wife. She's the one that's wanted to come here,
Speaker 1: and they said, thank you. No one on the streets,
Speaker 1: no one. It's like a ghost town in New Haven,
Speaker 1: Connecticut at Yale, one of the great hospitals in the world,
Speaker 1: and you could just see what they're going through. So
Speaker 1: you can't go, hey, let's just be cavalier about this.
Speaker 1: You can't be. If you're around it, you see it,
Speaker 1: you feel it. And I'm fortunate that I'm I'm safe
Speaker 1: and my kids are and nobody has contracted this. But
Speaker 1: I feel lucky that I'm able to do this every
Speaker 1: single day. So just understand it might not be where
Speaker 1: you are, but it could, and it is affecting a
Speaker 1: lot of people. Maybe not as many people as we thought,
Speaker 1: but it's still affecting quite a few people. New York
Speaker 1: City is apocalyptic. You don't even you know, people who've
Speaker 1: been in New York and people who have to live
Speaker 1: in New York and stay in New York and stay
Speaker 1: in their apartment tell me you just look outside and
Speaker 1: there's no life. There's nothing there. It's just you can
Speaker 1: hear echoes when people talk. So it's haunting, and that's
Speaker 1: why I always caution, let's not put a time frame
Speaker 1: on this. Let's understand exactly what we have in front
Speaker 1: of us here, tack it together, and hopefully we get
Speaker 1: something in our lives that we've come to appreciate, expect
Speaker 1: take for granted, and that is sports back in an arena,
Speaker 1: in a football stadium, all of those things which I
Speaker 1: think we could all use some comfort right now when
Speaker 1: it comes to that, all right, eight seven seven three
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Speaker 1: Mclov and you got a poll question for me. I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is an actual poll question, but
Speaker 1: if we put up are you okay having sports without fans?
Speaker 1: How do people respond to that? At this point, I'm
Speaker 1: fine with it, but but I don't have an option.
Speaker 1: Do you think most fans feel that way? Well, you
Speaker 1: can put it up there, but we don't. We don't
Speaker 1: have an option. So it doesn't feel like there's any
Speaker 1: other answer than yeah, I'll take sports because we have
Speaker 1: we have no other choice here. Yeah, another question to
Speaker 1: you said that it won't jump to start the economy
Speaker 1: from like a dollar in sin San Clois. But is
Speaker 1: there like a financial value of lifting the mood of
Speaker 1: the country and putting sports on TV. I feel like
Speaker 1: sometimes like the stock markets all based on the mood
Speaker 1: of the country anyway, So I feel like lifting the
Speaker 1: mood has a value maybe. So I'm just talking about
Speaker 1: these smaller cities, these college cities, college towns, small businesses,
Speaker 1: people who rely on tailgates and that they supply food
Speaker 1: that you come in, there's takeout, there's atmosphere, Like, that's
Speaker 1: the economy I'm talking about. It's the little guy who's
Speaker 1: being crushed here. You know, bigger business they'll survive, they'll
Speaker 1: take a hit, but they'll survive. The smaller guys. That's
Speaker 1: where you go into these You know, you go to
Speaker 1: Lambeau and you know there's certain places you can go
Speaker 1: there and eat. You know, you can go there and drink.
Speaker 1: Like those people, they're the ones that are hurt. They've
Speaker 1: been stung and may not recover. So when you jump
Speaker 1: start an economy and our mood changes and the stock
Speaker 1: market goes up, Okay, but that's not what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: When we're dealing with the economy. Yeah, McLevin, you're not
Speaker 1: on Andy, Sorry. Another question about college sports. Do you
Speaker 1: think that this will end up getting payers played or
Speaker 1: just change the whole structure of college sports because you
Speaker 1: said they can't go back as regular students. Is there
Speaker 1: any chance that they label them professionals and go back. Well,
Speaker 1: Pauli and I talked about this yesterday after the show.
Speaker 1: Can you just say, look, we're going to treat you
Speaker 1: as college employees, then we pay you minimum wage. I
Speaker 1: wonder what the future of the NCAA is going to be.
Speaker 1: I do I think big picture. I wonder what the
Speaker 1: nc double A is going to be after this year,
Speaker 1: after we get through this pandemic. I don't know, are
Speaker 1: we going to expand A We're going to rip up
Speaker 1: that contract with the final four that ESPN has and
Speaker 1: make it sixteen teams because you have that might be
Speaker 1: the lifeblood for some of these A lot of these
Speaker 1: universities with their secondary sports, they may all go under.
Speaker 1: And it started with since Mattie's saying we're getting rid
Speaker 1: of our soccer program because they were going to save
Speaker 1: close to eight million over the next ten years. And
Speaker 1: then you had Old Dominion canceling their wrestling program. I
Speaker 1: think they opened the door. They opened the door, and
Speaker 1: all bets are off right now. So I just think
Speaker 1: there's so much attached to this, and as much as
Speaker 1: we want to come up with game plans, using caution
Speaker 1: is the smartest thing that we can do. How can
Speaker 1: I ensure safety for these football players when they come back?
Speaker 1: How can I ensure safety for these baseball players when
Speaker 1: they come back? The NBA, if it comes back, fans
Speaker 1: aren't going to be able to go out. I'm of
Speaker 1: the mindset I will not see a game in person,
Speaker 1: probably in the next year. Like I really wonder when
Speaker 1: we could actually go back. When do you feel confident,
Speaker 1: when you feel safe going back? Because as we found
Speaker 1: out with Rudy Gobert, when one guy test positive, he
Speaker 1: brought down an entire league. And you extrapolate that he
Speaker 1: basically brought down sports because now we realize there's something
Speaker 1: really attached to this. Now, it could hit anybody. Now,
Speaker 1: it could be the people who came in contact with him,
Speaker 1: the referees who did a game, they contracted this, you
Speaker 1: know what, other players, Donovan Mitchell and then you know,
Speaker 1: we're fans around this, the training step like it, it
Speaker 1: just trickles down there, and that's where trying to jump
Speaker 1: start the economy. I hope we can, and I hope
Speaker 1: sports plays a large role on that, but I just
Speaker 1: don't see that happening. We'll come up with a pole
Speaker 1: question today. We'll talk about the Bulls documentary. And also
Speaker 1: there was talk yesterday with Odell Beckham Junior, the third
Speaker 1: maybe being traded. It was I'm going to say it
Speaker 1: was more of a I'm hearing or a rumor by
Speaker 1: a sports host a w f an in New York.
Speaker 1: I did some work on that and have an update
Speaker 1: on the possibility that Odell Beckham Junior was on the
Speaker 1: trading block to the Minnesota Vikings nineteen after they were
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Speaker 1: All right, I did some research yesterday, did some homework
Speaker 1: and I saw the report. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was a report, Andy, can you tell me exactly how
Speaker 1: that was presented by a host on wfa N. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe it was Mark the Lusis said that he
Speaker 1: was hearing that the vikings und we're talking. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was a hearing I'm talking about that Odobal trade. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, So you know, when if it's a report,
Speaker 1: that's one thing. But I'm hearing, you know, then I
Speaker 1: sort of go, Okay, I hear a lot of things,
Speaker 1: and a lot of things I don't tell you because
Speaker 1: I'm just hearing. That doesn't mean that it's happening. So
Speaker 1: I thought, all right, let me reach out to a
Speaker 1: source and I said, uh, let me see why would
Speaker 1: Obj want to go to the Vikings run oriented, defensive
Speaker 1: minded head coach. And my source said, well, he can
Speaker 1: be the number one wide receiver and a very good
Speaker 1: team offense is run by Kubiak and the staff includes
Speaker 1: his son. They've been together for a while. And I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: but Minnesota they need a big time guy. Since trading digs,
Speaker 1: they go from one hard to coach wide receiver to another.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, exactly, like, why is Minnesota wanted
Speaker 1: to bring in Odell Beckham junior when you just had
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs who wanted to get out of Minnesota. And
Speaker 1: I know Obj is great, I get it, all of
Speaker 1: that stuff. I don't want him, and if anything, if
Speaker 1: I'm Cleveland, I want to see if I can make
Speaker 1: this work with Baker Mayfield, Jarvis Landry. I want to
Speaker 1: see if now everybody's got to change the problem I
Speaker 1: have with OBJ is I think Baker Mayfield tried to
Speaker 1: force the ball to him to make him happy. I
Speaker 1: want to go to OBJ as much as I can,
Speaker 1: but when you force it and you're not looking elsewhere,
Speaker 1: then it affects the overall performance of the offense. So
Speaker 1: then I got a text this morning from the same
Speaker 1: source and he says, sounds like the Vikings are more
Speaker 1: inclined to draft a wide receiver than make that trade.
Speaker 1: And I said, how come and he said, more of
Speaker 1: the same headache. You know, Look, we're hoping for stories
Speaker 1: like this, but in you know, the reality of this
Speaker 1: is Mike Zimmer's a tough minded guy. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: put up with this. That head coach is not why
Speaker 1: you don't trade for that. Stephan Diggs was already there,
Speaker 1: and then Stefan Diggs maybe became a different player. And
Speaker 1: then you want your touches because hey, I had this
Speaker 1: unbelievable catch to beat the SEC like I'm something now
Speaker 1: I need to have the ball. I need my touches.
Speaker 1: But you're not looking for a headache. And that's what
Speaker 1: you would be doing if you trade for OBJ. You're going, hey,
Speaker 1: let's look for another headache here. Now that doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. I want to see what Baker Mayfield does.
Speaker 1: There's a lot attached to this season. I think with
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield it may not be you know, success or
Speaker 1: bust poring, but you know, we'll get close to that
Speaker 1: if he has another year where he struggles, but he
Speaker 1: has to stop zeroing in on one guy. You know,
Speaker 1: the great quarterbacks spread it around. Go back to one
Speaker 1: of my favorite moments in painful moments, because I was
Speaker 1: a Bengal fan back then, when Joe Montana leads them
Speaker 1: down and they score the touchdown under a minute ago,
Speaker 1: and he throws it to John Taylor because you know
Speaker 1: what they did. They put Jerry Rice as a tight end,
Speaker 1: and Joe knew Jerry was going to confuse them and
Speaker 1: open things up, and John Taylor had single coverage and
Speaker 1: he threw it to John Taylor. One of the biggest
Speaker 1: moments in forty nine or history and the greatest wide
Speaker 1: receiver of all time was a decoy. That's the interesting
Speaker 1: part of that. Use all of the weapons you have,
Speaker 1: and if Baker Mayfield's going to be great, he has
Speaker 1: to go back to that rookie year where simplify it.
Speaker 1: Don't try to be Brett Farve, just make the plays
Speaker 1: that are there in front of you. Because that team
Speaker 1: is so good in so talent I should say, not good,
Speaker 1: but talented. And I think that'll be interesting to see
Speaker 1: what happens with the Cleveland Browns trading Odell Beckham. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have brought him in the first place, and don't
Speaker 1: I don't want somebody to take this out of context.
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated watching him, but understand I was fascinated watching
Speaker 1: Jameis Winston. OBJ is an incredible talent. He's an entertainer.
Speaker 1: I don't like entertainers. I like guys who know what
Speaker 1: they do and how they make a team better. Entertainer, boy,
Speaker 1: that sounds so singular and selfish, and that makes me
Speaker 1: nervous here. I know wide receivers or divas, but even
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice was a team player. He would come back
Speaker 1: and tell Montana, and Montana says this, Hey, I'm open,
Speaker 1: you gotta throw me the ball. Well, the quarterback has
Speaker 1: to be able to say, I'll get it to you.
Speaker 1: I had somebody else, you know. And that's where the
Speaker 1: coach comes in and says, look, it doesn't run through you, Odell.
Speaker 1: The offense does not run through you. You compliment the
Speaker 1: offense because it's an entire offense, not just you. And
Speaker 1: I never met a wide receiver. Wasn't open, by the way,
Speaker 1: Mary Kay Cabot, she covers the Browns does a great job.
Speaker 1: She had this to say about the possibility of trading
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior. I haven't gotten any sense so far
Speaker 1: that there really is anything to it. Now. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that a conversation or a phone call didn't take place.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean somebody didn't try, didn't inquire, But as
Speaker 1: of right now, from everything that I understand, there's just
Speaker 1: nothing there. Yeah, and that doesn't mean something won't happen.
Speaker 1: But from what I'm told this morning, you know, my
Speaker 1: source said that more likely to trade. Every team in
Speaker 1: the draft will get a wide receiver. By the way,
Speaker 1: that's how deep this draft is from every single one.
Speaker 1: So all thirty two teams the first round they're not
Speaker 1: at all taking okay, yeah, yeah, in the draft they're
Speaker 1: going to take They're gonna get a quality wide receiver.
Speaker 1: That's how I think there's forty two they are considered
Speaker 1: quality wide receivers. That's how deep this wide receiving field is.
Speaker 1: That everybody's gonna get a wide You get one, and
Speaker 1: you it'll be like Oprah, you get a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and you get a wide receiver. Did we set on
Speaker 1: a pole question? McLevin. I actually kind of want to
Speaker 1: go with a uniform question maybe, Okay, keep it light
Speaker 1: on the pole question. Okay, so the Browns came out
Speaker 1: with a new uniform. It's kind of old school. I'm
Speaker 1: going to ask you to put your eighteen year old
Speaker 1: shoes on your recruit. Would you go with an old
Speaker 1: school uniform or a new school uniform? New school like
Speaker 1: our friends in Oregon Oregon, Baylor, Yeah, Likenville, Yeah, somebody
Speaker 1: who changes up every every week. Penn State, Michigan with
Speaker 1: the old school. I as much as I hated Michigan
Speaker 1: and growing up, I'd still think Michigan's got one of
Speaker 1: the great uniforms in all of sports. I do Ohio
Speaker 1: State has been varying there as they change it up
Speaker 1: a little bit with their helmets jerseys there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and Penn States it's sharp. But if I'm an eighteen
Speaker 1: year old, yeah, I didn't like Penn States uniform back then. Yes, boy, Dan,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I was raised Irish Catholic south Side Chicago.
Speaker 1: I had no choice but to be a Notre Dame fan. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can remember, maybe eight or nine years old, I
Speaker 1: watched a Michigan football game and that's probably the first
Speaker 1: time I saw them and watched them. I was like,
Speaker 1: I saw those helmets and the look and Anthony Carter
Speaker 1: and the gold pants and May's pants, excuse me, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I like that, and I Fritzy did
Speaker 1: the same thing with the broncos. I know it's different, question, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I love the old school ones. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of the kids may not understand or appreciate a tradition,
Speaker 1: but if you've got a chance to play for a
Speaker 1: team that's been around one hundred fifty years or whatever
Speaker 1: and everything is pretty much stayed the same, I'd want
Speaker 1: to wear one of those with the Yeah, I understand
Speaker 1: that it's marketing, and you know, because I don't like
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean I mean that's not I'm not their
Speaker 1: target audience. If you've got an eighteen year old or
Speaker 1: twenty two year old, they're like, yeah, it looks pretty cool.
Speaker 1: They're not going to be buying into what I grew
Speaker 1: up with and say, yeah, that looks awesome, that looks classic.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get I mean, that's why the Rams took
Speaker 1: a chance on their uniforms. It's not for me because
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go what are you doing? I think a
Speaker 1: Roman Gabriel Jack snow like, what are you doing to me?
Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, then we become to
Speaker 1: get off my lawn guy. When it comes to uniform,
Speaker 1: they're not marketing for me because I haven't bought a
Speaker 1: jersey in since Archie Manning with the Saints. Is the
Speaker 1: last time I think I bought a jersey. That's a
Speaker 1: great jersey, Yeah it is. It was. Now I have
Speaker 1: a lot of jerseys in here, but I haven't bought
Speaker 1: any jerseys in a long long time. You might think
Speaker 1: that this is the Michael Jordan documentary. It's the Bulls
Speaker 1: documentary and it will start airing on Sunday. Michael. Michael
Speaker 1: has already come out and had that preemptive strike to
Speaker 1: basically say when you watch this, ah, you're probably not
Speaker 1: gonna like who I am, but that's who. So he
Speaker 1: was on Good Morning America with Robin Roberts, and that
Speaker 1: was a whole different Michael Jordan because he was emotional
Speaker 1: and he was funny. And I don't know, if you
Speaker 1: like looking at yourself when you're younger, I think I
Speaker 1: think Michael is this is what Mike had to do
Speaker 1: to become Michael Jordan. He pushed you, He pushed himself.
Speaker 1: But as he says in the documentary, I didn't ask
Speaker 1: you to do anything that I wouldn't do. He wanted
Speaker 1: to push you. He picked on people. He also talked
Speaker 1: about Jerry Krause, who was one of the architects of
Speaker 1: the Bulls back then told the head coach Phil Jackson
Speaker 1: that Phil was not be not going to be coming back,
Speaker 1: hence the Last Dance. This was a courtesy of Good
Speaker 1: Morning America at the beginning of the season. It basically
Speaker 1: started when Jerry Kraut told Phil that, you know, he
Speaker 1: can go eighty two and O and he would never
Speaker 1: get the chance to come back. And you know, knowing
Speaker 1: that I was, I married myself to him, you know obviously,
Speaker 1: and if he wasn't going to be a coach, then
Speaker 1: you know, obviously I wasn't going to play. So Phil
Speaker 1: started off the year by saying, this is the last dance,
Speaker 1: and and we played it that way, you know, so
Speaker 1: mentally it just kind of it tugged at you throughout
Speaker 1: the course of the year, you know, but that this
Speaker 1: had to come to an end. But it also centered
Speaker 1: our focus to making sure we end it right. So
Speaker 1: that's Michael Jordan. That was courtesy of a Good Morning America.
Speaker 1: Imagine you have a team that's still in its prime.
Speaker 1: You have Jordan, you have Pippin, you have Rodman, and
Speaker 1: you why not max this out one more year? You're
Speaker 1: going to win another championship. Here, all you're doing is
Speaker 1: writing a check, like how much is that? Is it
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars that you're going to spend thirty million
Speaker 1: to Mike. But you're making money, You're making tons of money,
Speaker 1: and an ego getting in the way is truly amazing.
Speaker 1: But ego gets in the way of dynasties all the time.
Speaker 1: Go back to Shack and Kobe. Ego got in the
Speaker 1: way the greatest band of all time, the Beatles. Ego
Speaker 1: got in the way. You don't want to be around
Speaker 1: this person. You can do it without this person. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'll show you I built this, I can build another one.
Speaker 1: Amazing and it's something that you it's hard to quantify
Speaker 1: that when you when you see somebody their ego, like
Speaker 1: what is that ego and what's it mean? You know,
Speaker 1: you can say magic and his ego, how he played
Speaker 1: he was selfless, you know, Bird his ego different than
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's ego. Hey, I don't want to throw it
Speaker 1: to you because I could. I'm better than you, So
Speaker 1: why would I throw it to you? Because I should
Speaker 1: be the one taking the shot like just and then
Speaker 1: two of the biggest shots in Bull's history were by
Speaker 1: John Paxon and Steve Kerr. It's ego. It's about winning?
Speaker 1: Is it winning together? Is it winning in spite? You
Speaker 1: want to show that you can do it. You know,
Speaker 1: Kobe wanted to, you know, disassemble and say I can
Speaker 1: do it without Shack. Shack wanted to prove that he
Speaker 1: could do it without Kobe in Miami, Phil Jackson, Oh
Speaker 1: you don't think I can. You don't want me here
Speaker 1: in Chicago. I'll go to La I'll do it again.
Speaker 1: But ego, and you know, you try to put that
Speaker 1: in the proper perspective and it's hard to do because
Speaker 1: you're going, wait, what, why do you have a problem
Speaker 1: with him? Why don't you want Donovan McNabb and Tarall
Speaker 1: Owens problem there? Teammates problem went to war together in
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Ego you know, was the ego of
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's or ego Bill Belichick? How involved. Was that
Speaker 1: with the Patriots, Tom's ego saying, I don't want Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo around him. Trade him. Robert Kraft trades him. The
Speaker 1: ego Bill Belichick saying, all right, all right, you got
Speaker 1: what you wanted. Now let me see what you can
Speaker 1: do when you go someplace else. And I'm coaching the
Speaker 1: Patriots ego. Yeah, the ninety seven ninety eight Bolls with
Speaker 1: Jordan Pippin, Robin all that Crewker, they're sixty nine and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we're sixty two and twenty. And of course
Speaker 1: they won the NBA finals. Do you know the roster
Speaker 1: of the team the next year that won thirteen games? Uh?
Speaker 1: Well that was Tim Floyd's team. Yeah, Tony Cook coach
Speaker 1: was the holdover. Didn't they have a guy out of
Speaker 1: Iowa State? Oh, Marcus Fiser, the Marcus Spiser era. That
Speaker 1: was one year later because I got a high draft
Speaker 1: pick that had Brent Berry, Ron Harper, Randy Brown, Dicky Simpkins,
Speaker 1: Mark Bryant, Andrew Lang, Cornell, David those are the starting
Speaker 1: like like Grahamville Waiters wasn't on the rosters. Waiters now
Speaker 1: he was not Eddie Curry area, but that was Tyson Chandler.
Speaker 1: Like Tyson Chandler has carved out an unbelievable career, but
Speaker 1: not at first. Remember when you had those those high
Speaker 1: school guys and they took both of those guys and
Speaker 1: Eddie Curry. Do I still have the Eddie Curry Dallas
Speaker 1: Mavericks jersey around here? It's in the bathroom. It's Mark
Speaker 1: Huban sent it to us that it's the largest jersey
Speaker 1: the Mavericks ever made, and he used I don't I
Speaker 1: think he used it for four games. It could be
Speaker 1: a prom dress. It's so long, it could be a formal.
Speaker 1: That is a huge, huge uniform. All right, we'll come back.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the best uniforms and uh
Speaker 1: an updated list here. Um. Paul Lucas is going to
Speaker 1: join us. He does a uniwatch and he actually helps
Speaker 1: rank the best uniforms that we have in sports. I
Speaker 1: was surprised at USA today put out a list the
Speaker 1: number one uniform in the NFL. We'll see if the
Speaker 1: Browns are rising on that with their new uniform. What
Speaker 1: about the Buccaneers. We'll talk to him coming up next
Speaker 1: and our play of the day after this. Thanks for
Speaker 1: listening to the Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to
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Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show. The documentary coming up at the
Speaker 1: top of the hour. We saw where the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: new uniforms. We also have the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons. Paul Lucas actually does this for a living.
Speaker 1: He looks at uniforms. He's the founder and editor of
Speaker 1: uniwatch dot com. What do you think of the Cleveland
Speaker 1: Browns new edition, Dan, I think it's a great example
Speaker 1: of moving forward by going backward. They basically went back
Speaker 1: to their classic look, which they never really should have
Speaker 1: gone away from. When you look at these new uniforms,
Speaker 1: you think this is what the Cleveland Browns are supposed
Speaker 1: to look like. And it's sort of a question of
Speaker 1: how did they get it so disastrously wrong five years
Speaker 1: ago with the set that they're now moving away from.
Speaker 1: How did the Rams get to where they are now?
Speaker 1: Where you have one of their legends, Eric Dickerson, who
Speaker 1: works for the Rams railing against the Rams with their
Speaker 1: new logo. Here. You know, the Rams have done something
Speaker 1: that it's a little uncommon, and I think in a
Speaker 1: way is a little unfair to the fan base, and
Speaker 1: that is, instead of unveiling their entire new identity, meaning logos, uniforms,
Speaker 1: the works, they just did the logos and they're going
Speaker 1: to do the uniforms sometime in May after the draft.
Speaker 1: And it's not clear. They haven't said if that's because
Speaker 1: the uniforms aren't ready yet or they just are trying
Speaker 1: to sort of draw out the suspense, but it really
Speaker 1: isn't It doesn't disservice to the fan base, and I
Speaker 1: think a disservice to your own marketing program when you
Speaker 1: release logos without the full context, because it's hard, you know,
Speaker 1: for for an NFL team, a logo could be appearing
Speaker 1: on your helmet or not, and you know, with the Rams,
Speaker 1: probably not because they're probably going to keep Ram horns
Speaker 1: on the helmet, and you really need to see the
Speaker 1: context of these logos. And so, yeah, you have fans
Speaker 1: and you have ex players like Eric Dickerson saying we
Speaker 1: don't like these logos, but really what matters is the
Speaker 1: uniform and that that's, you know, the most primary thing,
Speaker 1: especially for a team like the Rams, which as I said,
Speaker 1: are not going to almost certainly not going to wear
Speaker 1: their logo on their helmet, So I think, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait and see where that goes with
Speaker 1: the Rams. But I don't think they've done themselves or
Speaker 1: their fan base any favors by doing this two part unvailing. Well,
Speaker 1: what is the target demo for these new uniforms? I mean,
Speaker 1: the reason why I bring it up is the Rams
Speaker 1: aren't marketing to me, The Browns aren't marketing to me,
Speaker 1: The Atlanta Falcons aren't marketing to my age group. So
Speaker 1: so what if I don't like it. I'm not the
Speaker 1: one buying these jerseys unless I'm buying it for my
Speaker 1: son or grandson, and you know, then they're still getting
Speaker 1: their money out of there. So if you were going
Speaker 1: to say, what's the sweet spot for you know, marketing
Speaker 1: these uniforms, what would it be? Well, I think it
Speaker 1: depends on what you think the function of the uniform is.
Speaker 1: You're suggesting that it basically is just a piece of merchandise,
Speaker 1: and that's certainly part of it, but it's also the
Speaker 1: thing we see when we watch a game every Sunday,
Speaker 1: it's it's what we you know, look at and connect
Speaker 1: with when we when we turn on the TV. And
Speaker 1: you know, the famous Jerry Seinfeld line that we're all
Speaker 1: rooting for laundry is largely true. The players come and go,
Speaker 1: they get traded, they retire, but we keep rooting for
Speaker 1: that uniform no matter which player is wearing it. And
Speaker 1: that's an important thing as well. So while you could
Speaker 1: say that you know only the whatever the eighteen to
Speaker 1: thirty four year old demographic is what you know, who
Speaker 1: buys the jerseys, but they are marketing to you. They
Speaker 1: are marketing, you know, to me or my dad or whoever,
Speaker 1: because those are fans as well, and those are the
Speaker 1: people you want to connect with your you know, with
Speaker 1: your team and having an emotional attachment. But I won't.
Speaker 1: I won't turn my team off or pick another team
Speaker 1: because they have a crappy union form. No, but you
Speaker 1: may feel like a little warmer and fuzzier about it,
Speaker 1: and that can that can that can translate to other things.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at teams like the Packers or
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, or you know, for the Rams, for that man,
Speaker 1: you know, Rams fans, And I can tell you because
Speaker 1: I hear from a lot of them. Rams fans feel
Speaker 1: really strongly about that helmet with the you know, with
Speaker 1: the curly ramhorns on it, and and they're going to
Speaker 1: be you know, irrestio and think of the NFL. We
Speaker 1: feel really strongly about NFL helmets, right, Like what do
Speaker 1: you have in your studio or TV studios they have
Speaker 1: the helmets of the two teams that are playing, because
Speaker 1: that is almost a de facto logo for an NFL
Speaker 1: team is its helmet. And we don't buy helmets, helmets
Speaker 1: or not merchandise. I mean, you may buy a sticker
Speaker 1: that shows a helmet or you know a you know,
Speaker 1: a mini helmet or something like that, but in general,
Speaker 1: the helmet is not a major piece of merchandise. But
Speaker 1: it's a really important piece, arguably the cornerstone of any
Speaker 1: team's branding visual branding program. And so I do think
Speaker 1: it goes beyond just the merchandise sales. All right, final
Speaker 1: minute here, if you ran the Buccaneers, what would you
Speaker 1: do with the uniforms? Personally, I go back to the
Speaker 1: creamsicles and bring back Bucko Brusa because I have a
Speaker 1: soft spot for that, but I certainly think they, you know,
Speaker 1: similar to the Browns, they rejected a sort of Nike
Speaker 1: approach of of let's go newfangled, let's kind of break
Speaker 1: the mold, let's push the envelope, and let's leave people
Speaker 1: scratching their heads thinking, you know, what the hell are
Speaker 1: you doing there? And let's go back to basics. And
Speaker 1: so they are now going back to their their classic
Speaker 1: Super Bowl era uniform, and again, I think that's an improvement,
Speaker 1: even though it's it's, you know, a step backwards on
Speaker 1: the timeline, but I think it's a step upwards in
Speaker 1: terms of design quality. Great to talk to you again, Paul.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Always a pleasure. Damn thanks for
Speaker 1: having Paul lucas founder and editor of unwatch dot com USA. Today,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you the top ten here. These
Speaker 1: are their favorite jerseys. Philadelphia Eagles come in at number ten,
Speaker 1: tenth best uniform in the NFL. Number nine the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 1: I do like the Vikings. I think I think in
Speaker 1: person I like it better. I think it's underrated. The
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys are at eight. I love that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hated the Cowboys growing up, but I love the uniform.
Speaker 1: I love the star. Okay, number seven is gonna maybe
Speaker 1: it'll surprise you. The Indianapolis colts it I like the horseshoe,
Speaker 1: I like the color. I'm surprised they're that high. Let
Speaker 1: me see number six the La Rams. I'll get to
Speaker 1: the top five, coming up top, the next down or
Speaker 1: tease one hour in the books from The Dan Patrick Show.