WEBVTT - Last Call At Night Cheers 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:06.880 It's eleven fifty eight pm back in Roswell, New Mexico, 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:28.440 and you're listening to Night Call. Hello, and welcome tonight Call, 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:33.360 a call in show for our dystopian reality. I'm Emily Oshida. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.559 I am in Charlotte, North Carolina, and with me on 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.080 the other line are Molly Lambert and Teslaly and shere 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:45.760 in l A. Hello, Hi, guys. This is the Night 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:50.560 Call Finale spectacular. We have a lot of stuff planned 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:56.160 for this episode, a lot of calls, more calls than ever. Um. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.640 It's We've got so much feedback from you guys after 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:03.600 we announced that we were ending the show, and it, 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.760 you know, really moved all of us. We were very 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.840 grateful to all of the calls, all the emails we 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:14.640 got from everybody, and so this episode is dedicated to y'all. 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.920 We love you guys, and we're this has been such 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.440 an adventure and such your ride to do this podcast, 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:23.240 and so we want to send it off into the 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:30.040 night proper. How you guys feeling, Um, you know, I 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.760 think it was such a great idea to do a 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.520 call in show, and I think Emily, that was maybe 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.960 your idea. I don't know if I would ever want 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:42.560 to do a podcast that didn't have call ins, because 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.920 one of the coolest things about this show has been 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:47.920 that we have gotten to know so many people, Like 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.360 we got calls from all over the globe, we got 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:56.320 serialized ghost stories, true ghost stories, which we'll talk more 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.440 about later. And I just think we have a really 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.640 amazing group of listeners who have supported this show and 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.680 it's it's really fun to have gotten to know them 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.799 and we will take you with us. Yeah, this show 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.080 has been like a magnet for like such a specific 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.080 kind of weirdo, a tune to our our collective frequencies 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.720 that the people that we've heard from, the people that 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.360 we've met at live events, like all of the above 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:23.760 has just been I don't know, it's it feels like 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.000 a very special and unique little thing that happened, and 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.000 I don't know, I'm very grateful that it happened. It 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.080 was almost three years three years in February, Yeah, our 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.000 first episode. I have to scroll the way back in 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:43.320 my iTunes. H Yeah, February was the debut night call episode. 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.880 So yeah, where did the time go? I mean, especially 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.520 in the last few months, like it could have been 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.040 five years. Who knows. I feel like we've just been 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:56.000 doing a podcast for like just an infinite amount of time, 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.880 and then sometimes the frequency tunes in. There was always 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:05.480 a podcast there. Um. Yeah, So we are going to 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:10.760 play a lot of your calls this week, and we'll 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.720 still take some of your questions. We're still answering questions 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.760 on here. Um. So yeah, do you guys wanna do 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.360 you guys want to open up the voicemail bag? Let's 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.919 do it. Let's do it, high ladies, um, it's talent. 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.880 I just wanted to call and say congratulations on a 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:32.240 great run. I am going to miss the podcast very 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:36.520 very much, but I know that you know it's happening. 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.680 This is happening for a reason, and I'm really excited 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:46.520 to um see whatever you are all up to it next. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:51.680 And I do have a question about an important topic 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:57.120 to me, UM that I need y'all's perspective on, which 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:04.280 is what show is better, Cheers or Frasier, because I 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:09.360 watched all of Cheers from like March two. I don't 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:13.400 really know when I finished, maybe like Junior July um 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:18.839 earlier this year, and I haven't really been able to 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:23.680 get into Fraser in the same way. Obviously, there are 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.919 quite different shows, even if one is you know, a 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:32.839 spinoff of the other. And so I wanted to know, Um, 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:37.520 for your money, which is better and why? Yeah, that's 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:42.120 about it. So UM, take good care and thank you 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:48.200 for the fun fun times by the question for the question, honestly, 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.200 I know, I feel like maybe we've been always tiptoeing 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:56.000 around this question because we're too cowardly to answer it. Um. 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:00.800 I think Cheers is better. Um, no question, Cheers is 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:05.120 a better show and more beloved for a reason. I 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.359 don't think it would be possible for a spinoff to 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.680 surpass the original, although if anyone can think of any 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:14.680 counter examples, please let us know. There are a lot 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:19.800 of spinoffs that are like not really known as spinoffs, 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.760 that have their own life but like, and I feel 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:23.840 like Frasier is on on the cusp of that, Like 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:27.599 it's almost completely broken off from the host being even 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:32.120 looking at the Happy Days universe, like, we can all 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.640 agree that Happy Days is a more important show than 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:41.320 Mork and Mindy, Laverne and Shirley. They're like five other 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.400 Happy Days spinoff Joony loves Chacy, Mork and Mindy was 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:48.200 a Happy Days spinoff? Yes, really, yes, there's like an 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:53.040 episode where an alien comes to Happy Days, and it's 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.960 more what people were doing a lot of drugs in 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.040 I watched The Ship out of Work and Mindy everybody Mindy. Actually, 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.479 maybe I'm wrong, maybe more than Mindy is more beloved 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:08.560 than it's certainly beloved by the people it's beloved among. Ye. Anyway, 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.320 getting back to my point, I think Cheers is better 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.840 and and so you think it's better purely by the 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.640 rule of the original can never be surpassed by a 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.320 spin off or what are the quality specifically that you 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.920 think make it. I mean, I think Cheers is probably 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:28.640 just the best sitcom of all time. It's like very funny, 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:33.599 it's very dark. Sometimes it's very emotional. It's like before 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.520 sitcoms turned into like there's a hug and a lesson 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:40.000 at the end. Always it's like, because I didn't before 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:41.960 I saw it Cheers, I was like, why would anybody 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.880 watch a show about a bunch of alcoholics hanging out 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:48.680 in a bar? That sounds really depressing? And then I 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.600 lived on the East Coast and understood why people hang 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:56.320 out in bars. But also I watched Cheers almost like, 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:01.120 oh it knows it's depressing. It's a show about broken people, 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.120 and that's what makes it great. It's it's one of 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.919 those ones that you understand it more deeply, uh as 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.000 you get older, or it has more pathos as you 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.400 get older, because before it's just like grown ups hanging 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.000 out at a bar, which is a gross It seems 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:20.440 like fun. You could be friends with the mailman, that's right. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.920 But yeah, I think Fraser is also a good show 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.360 on its own terms. And I think we all agree 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.400 that it's like more of a nostalgia thing necessarily than 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:32.920 that it's the greatest show of all time. Oh I 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.560 would disagree with that. I have a lot of nostalgia 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.600 for it. But I think in every revisit that I 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:43.280 do of Frasier, I'm impressed with how technically great it is. Okay, Fraser, 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:49.640 I mean I I'm just reminded of this treat that 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.280 Hello Cullen on Twitter, but he did the Street is. 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.800 I am a psychiatrist. I moved from Boston, where I 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.280 went to a bar every day, to Seattle, where I 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.800 don't go to no bars. I'm on the radio now, 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.000 even though I never did that before. How did I 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:08.080 get this job? How did I even hear about it um, 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:09.960 he doesn't go to a bar because he goes to 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:14.720 Cafe Nervosa. It's clearly a one to one swap, and 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:18.120 he like joined a wine club instead. He like, he 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.440 doesn't go to a dirty, you know, basement bar, and 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.800 he grew up more. Yeah, grew up, Emily. Would you 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:29.000 argue that it's that Frasier is better? I so better 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.440 is a hard thing to say. I think, well, there's 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.920 a lot. I think there's a bit more of Cheers 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.800 and there is a Frasier, and Cheers is just a 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.520 richer ensemble, like Cheers is more like there's truly something 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:42.880 for everybody in it, which I think is a really 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.839 good argument to make. It if not the best to 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.480 come of all time, at least a better to comm 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:51.959 than Fraser, Frasier is one note that is just like 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:58.240 really extremely well done and extremely itself and commits to 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.920 this bit and actually find like gets a lot of 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.120 mileage out of which like a lot of shows would 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.600 only get like a season out of, like you know, 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:12.040 it's fancy pants and more fancy pants versus cricket, cop 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:16.680 Dad and a dog. But I think, like I guess 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:20.120 in terms of like, I just think that Cheers could 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.040 never be replicated again. And I just think that Fraser 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.800 is something that is like the best version of something 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.559 that I wish happened more often, you know, And in sitcoms, 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:34.000 Fraser is like opera, yes, and that's why I love it. Uh, 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.880 it's just so silly. Yeah, And I love all the 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:41.040 like mistaken door knocking forest episodes at the ski Lodge. 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:45.000 It's very it hits those those nets. Yeah, Like I 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.880 grew up watching like Marx Brothers movies and stuff when 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:49.960 I was a kid. My mom was early into Mark's Brothers, 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.119 so we would like rent the vhs is from the library, 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.559 and so like getting into Frasier, which I also probably 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.400 was into at the same time, it just felt like, 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.640 you know, one led to the other and it's all 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:07.319 kind of borderline slapstick but still really verbally driven. I 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.200 don't know, I love Frasier a lot. I won't hesitate 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:15.520 to say it's better than Cheers, but I think I've 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.280 probably watched it more and that for whatever that story. 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.120 So yeah, okay, fine, I'm going to say it's better 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.200 than Cheers just to make it interesting. Yeah, come on, 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.360 take a stand. So that task has to be the 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:28.960 tiebreaker her favorite position to take. Oh god, um, here's 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.720 my my take on this is that Cheers is a 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:37.040 gumbo and Frasier is a consummate, and you can't ever choose. 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.640 You can't ever choose which is better because they belong 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:46.040 to entirely different moods and stages life. Good answer, I 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:51.520 thank you, diplomatic. Diplomatic as ever, I think like in general, 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:55.560 I go back to Cheers more because it has more 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.760 texture and more depth. But I agree with Emily that 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:02.800 Frasier is kind of like there there is something kind 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.640 of like operatic or whatever it's. It does it's things 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:09.760 so well, and it exceeds your expectations if your expectations 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.800 are that it will kind of like start to go 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.360 soft or whatever. It's like it doesn't ever disappoint in 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.600 the way that when I first started watching Frasier, I 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:20.760 was like, I'm going to be so sick of all 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.440 of these people. So I was kind of amazed. I 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.960 was like, Wow, they really hooked me. And it's like 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.880 it's an ambient vibe like it you know, it puts 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.400 you in a kind of alters your your state of 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.160 mind a little bit. I've been watching some star Trek 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.880 Next Generation with my mom out here, and it's like 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.160 I realized how much they're very similar design vibes too. 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.880 But the bridge of the enterprise, like the whole enterprise 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.800 and and Fisher's apartment are like so embedded in my 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.840 brain is just like a place I want to be mentally. Oh, 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:55.480 I was watching Girlfriends because it came on Netflix finally, 0:11:56.080 --> 0:12:01.720 Um and Girlfriends. It's like so similar a Frasier in 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.320 many ways. Um, and it's produced by Kelsey Grammar, which 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.200 I had forgotten except then he comes in an episode 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:14.679 as himself. Jones was like, Wow, it's TV's Kelsey Grammar. Um, 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:20.120 but Jones house in Girlfriends that they spend all of 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.440 the time in the show in because it's like a 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.040 beautiful craftsman house in Pasadena that is owned by like 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:30.320 a twenty eight year old lawyer or whatever. Um in 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:34.839 wonderful sitcom logic. Uh, it reminds me so much of 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.280 Frasier's apartment. And then somebody was like, oh, well, they're 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:42.040 set designed by the same person. The person who did 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.200 the set design on Fraser also did the set design 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.240 on Girlfriends. And Girlfriends has a lot of also, just 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:52.560 like dinner Party Forest and stuff and slapstick. So that's 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:57.200 my other recommendation if you like Cheers and Fraser Watch Girlfriends. Well, 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:02.400 speaking of our favorite media h hobby horses of the eighties, 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:06.559 we also have a night email from Batia, who writes 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:08.960 to us, I can tell how much I'll miss the 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.880 podcast by the fact that, upon learning the following bit 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.559 of Big Chill trivia, y'all were the first people who 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.000 came to mind as the correct audience for it. So 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:21.080 before it's too late, here goes Lawrence Kasdin and Kathy 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.560 guys White have been friends going back to their time 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.200 together in Michigan, and she would regularly include references to 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:31.520 his movies and Kathy comics. So who in the Big 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.840 Chill is Kathy? It's got to be Meg, right. And 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.080 two is it too much of a stretch to say 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:40.280 that there's some crossover between the two, something about the 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.520 cognitive dissonance with regard to the adulthood you expected and 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.199 the one you have. This is completely new information to me, 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:52.400 So thank you, Batia. Yeah what, Yeah, this blew my mind. 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:58.280 I'm very surprised at this. This is also it's totally 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:02.320 like a college paper that one of us would have written, um, 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:07.400 right in this connecting will right, it would have been 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:13.680 like bourgeois affectations of baby boomers and like ac, yeah, 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.960 did you see a friend of the pot. Amy Nicholson 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.760 got this shirt that like, Kathy guy's wife has been 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:25.800 selling the dead stock of Kathy merchandise from her personal website, 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.000 which I tried to find. I need to text Amy 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.640 and find out where exactly this this is. But um, 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:36.400 these incredible vintage Kathy's shirts. She's still around the guys. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:40.360 Why is an amazing person. So it totally made sense 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.840 to me that well, it's also interesting she and Laurence 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.920 Cason are like these people who yeah, they also like 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:50.200 they made their artistic hobby into their career and made 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.760 it like a profitable, real career. They are the big chill. 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:59.040 I watched a documentary for Grantland about comic strip people, 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.040 and she was featured in it, and I just found 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.800 out that Kathy was like a very pioneering comic strip 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.520 Like there were not a lot of comic strips written 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.680 by women. It was the Murphy Brown of the Sunday, 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:16.000 It truly was. And also I learned from the documentary 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:20.360 that she is like very skinny and pretty in real life, 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:24.160 and the comic is all like her projection of her 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:28.440 insecure self. Um, it seemed like she definitely struggled with 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.880 some eating issues, all stuff that you can get from 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.640 the comic. But you're like, oh, there's like a real 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:40.120 person in this comic who's very interesting and uh would 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.880 totally be a character in The Big Chill. Yeah. No, 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:49.760 she's um she was hot, Uh like very she looks 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.560 like she could just like walk into the kitchen and 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:57.560 Big Chill. She doesn't look like Kathy is look her up. 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.480 She looks like like the ultimate seventies woman in who's 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:05.280 totally like would be in The Big Chill. Um. So yeah, 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.560 I was like, I'm not surprised that she and Lawrence 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.960 Castin had a you know, a close friendship lived in 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.320 the co op together. Also, she's just like peak boomer. 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:19.480 She was born in nineteen fifty September five, nineteen fifty. 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:23.280 She's a virgo. Um. Yeah, it's just interesting because like 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.480 Kathy is this comic that people used to make fun 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.800 of women or it became just sort of like all 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:35.480 the women yeah dieting. But watching this documentary, you're like, oh, yeah, 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.440 none of this stuff had been in a comic before. 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.480 It was very groundbreaking at the time, and just like 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.560 a lot of men's underground comics are about putting all 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:49.160 of your weird it and sexual neurosis into a comic, 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.680 and when you see like a woman do it, it 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.520 can be really uncomfortable in the case of Kathy, because 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:59.720 you're like, Kathy, just love yourself, Kathy, we love you. What. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:05.560 Thank you Batia for the email. Thanks for also bringing 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.440 Big Chill into our final episode because we couldn't get 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.479 through this finale. So who do you think Kathy is 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:18.160 in The Big Chill? No, this stumps me. Somebody, she said, 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.880 Meg obviously. Do you think she's Meg? Is that Mary 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.159 kay Place? That's that's what I also, I was like, 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.000 they all in my mind, they have no names anymore 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.520 in The Big Chill. Their names are their actor. All right, 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:35.920 who is she? I think she might be Glenn Close's character. No, 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:41.359 I think she's closer to Mary kay Place. Yeah, because 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:45.600 she needs to have it all. She's a cool lady, alight. 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:51.200 She's more neurotic, I think maybe, but they're all neurotic. Yeah, 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.400 but she's where's it on the outside a little more? 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:55.480 I don't know. She'd be the one who's married to 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.760 Robert or whatever his name is. But now I wonder, 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.639 you know, like like as you were saying, like, you know, 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.680 Kathy does not give off the vibe that you would 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.159 expect the creator of Kathy to give off. And I wonder, 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:11.159 you know, I was picturing that Onion article that's like 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.720 Gene whatever. It's like a column by a woman named 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.160 Jean that was always on the Onion, and she seems 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.000 like a stock photo, but it looked that is what 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.679 I picture Kathy looking like. So yeah, then she looks 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.440 like you know, Jill Clayburgh, and you're like, oh, this 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:31.400 is complicated, right, Yeah, like Lawrence Cosden's impression of her 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.200 and how he would like quote unquote write her into 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.879 a movie might be different than how she would right herself. 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:42.560 Or probably it's definitely different than how she would write herself. So, um, yeah, 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:44.840 I don't know, but I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.760 Mary kay place, I'll go with that because I've already 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:51.560 revealed how little of Kathy I know absorbed. No, Kathy 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.480 rolled right off my back. It was just it was 0:18:54.560 --> 0:19:09.359 just there for her. Yeah, But legacies, so let's open 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:17.320 up the voicemailbox again. Let's do it. Hi. My name 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:21.880 is Dan Uh. Live outside of Chicago. Longtime fan. Going 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.760 back to the girls in Hoodies days. UM really started 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.280 to hear the show is ending, UM, and I meant 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:31.320 to call you. Uh. Months ago, I went to summer 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:35.800 camp with Whitley Streeber's son. It was a performing arts 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:40.280 camp and upstate New York called Long Lag. I unfortunately 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.600 can't remember his name. It was the summer after eighth 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:48.119 grade UM when I went there, and we were in 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:53.760 a performance of Oklahoma together. He was curly and I 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:58.119 was Judd, which meant that we du edit poor Judd 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:01.960 is Dead together. So that was an experience. UM. I 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.400 didn't necessary like I think. I think I was familiar 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.679 with communion at the time, and I remember some of 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:12.840 the other campers UM referencing who he was and who 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:16.679 his father was, UM, and they made it pretty clear 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:20.119 that he didn't necessarily want to talk about that, so 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:22.359 I never brought it up to him. He was a 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.480 really good guy, really nice guy. UM, But I thought 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.879 you'd get a kick out of hearing that. Uh. You know, 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:33.639 I was in Oklahoma UM with Whitley Strieber's son. Uh, 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:37.080 This is back in like nineteen summer and ninety three, 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:40.400 I think, so I'm dating myself anyway, I thought you'd 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.200 like to hear that story again. Really started to hear 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:45.960 that the pot is ending, um, and I hope to 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.200 see all of the wonderful things that you all go 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:53.520 on to do in the future. Take care. This is 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:58.600 Patrick and it's about thirty Michigan. I just wanted to 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.200 give a call bease. Been of same you guys since 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.760 the jone Quickly episode of Behind the Bastards. It's just, 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.480 you know, sad to see they come to end, but 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.440 I am hopeful that I'll hear from you guys again. 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.120 I guess the only thing else I have to say 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.840 is I wish you guys would have talked about cryptids. Uh. 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.560 Living in the Midwest, it's definitely one of those things 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.040 that you know, there's hundreds of roads that you don't 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.520 go down because there's some type of X murder or 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:26.800 my personal favorite as the dog Man of Michigan. Yeah, 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:31.119 I hope for the best for all you guys, and 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:37.600 I'll see in the future. Ahem, ahem. We have talked 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:41.000 so much about cryptids that you you must peruse our 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.680 archive I personally, I think we all agreed that maybe 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:48.440 the most cryptic heavy episode was when we had Dan 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:52.840 Hernandez on the podcast. He had some really good insider 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:57.280 cryptid knowledge because his dad is a crypto zoologist who 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:01.800 went on a big adventure to try and find cryptids. 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:04.400 That was then wasn't it like derailed by a hurricane 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.480 or something? His plans were thwarted. Yeah, they couldn't take 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:11.400 the boat out, which I recommend that. But also cryptids 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:14.600 have been on my mind recently because I get these 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:18.960 like news local news emails and there's this one person 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:22.880 who lives in my neighborhood who, uh like every few 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:27.600 weeks sends out the same like email that basically is 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:30.560 asking if anyone has seen big Foot in Griffith Park. 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.080 And he keeps describing a night five years ago where 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:36.679 he swears he saw big Foot. And of course this 0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:39.639 starts happening right when we were taking a break and 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:42.080 now we're ending the show, and I was like, this 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:45.560 is a local mystery I could solve on night Call. God, 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:48.879 we really we haven't ruled out the possibility of coming 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:53.480 back for some night Calls Super specials, Cryptic super special 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:57.040 Maybe we'll do some kind of one off mystery solving 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:00.760 you can get on a case a private detect of agency. 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:05.080 I know Tess is going to start researching this anyway, Yeah, 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:07.600 as as I do. Yeah, maybe this is just your 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:11.119 next show. Probably. Well, the stay at home order is 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:14.400 kind of like destroying my plans to you can still 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:17.720 go to the park. Well, it's so confusing the stay 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:19.600 at home orders in l A. It's like you can't 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.600 leave your house unless you're going to the mall. And 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:24.680 if you're at the mall, you can walk, But if 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:27.440 you're at your house, you can't leave your house on foot, 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:30.040 bike or bike car unless you need to go shopping 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:33.240 at a store. Alyssa walker in front of the pod, 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:35.520 had a good tweet where she was like, I can't 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:39.160 see my niece and nephew at the playground, so I'm 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:44.800 going to meet them at a tattoo parlor exactly. Um, 0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:48.560 but this just also sounds like Under the Silver Lake, Yes, 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:53.040 my favorite film of all time. Yes, um, I'm looking 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:55.399 now that. So if you go back, this is just 0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:59.240 you know, uh news you can use. I think it's 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:04.119 listed as uh it's on seventy three on iTunes. I 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:07.080 don't know what that number means honestly, because it counts 0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:10.000 down from the most recent too now, but it's from 0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:14.480 six nineteen. If you love the crib Cycle with Dan Hernandez, 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:17.520 there's so much cryptic talk in there, and I'm there 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:20.800 are so many other ones too. I mean, is that 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:24.399 the one where we talked about the um? What's it 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:29.280 called this? The squid? What do they sunk? The squawk? 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.960 Was that squawk talk? I think Squank made it. We've 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:35.320 talked about the Squawk a few times over the years. 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:39.040 I'm sorry for only realizing, uh, the very end of 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:41.119 the podcast that a good thing to do is to 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:43.679 put the topics and the title of the episodes so 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:48.080 that people can find it UM. But yeah, they're in 0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:52.119 the descriptions generally, and we definitely talked about cryptids a 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:56.000 time or two. So yeah, if, yeah, if you want 0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:59.120 to go back and rediscover it, you know, I think 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:02.919