1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning. 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: This is Laura, Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's 3 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: episode is going to be a longer one. It's part 4 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: of my interview series where I talk with fascinating people 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: about how they take their days from great to awesome 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: and they share tips that will hopefully help the rest 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: of us have better days as well. So today I 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: am excited to welcome Lisa Woodruft to the show. Lisa 9 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: is the owner of Organized three sixty five, a company 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: that teaches people how to make their lives better. She 11 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: is the creator of the famous Sunday Basket method of 12 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: life organization, which we will talk about, and she also 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: has all sorts of great other projects going on in 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: her life. So Lisa, welcome to the show. 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me. 16 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: Laura, I'm excited that you are here. Maybe you could 17 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: tell our listeners a little bit about you and how 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: you wound up in this line of work. 19 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: Well, part of it was reading your books. They really 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: helped me conceptualize time differently. I've always been a person 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: that has wanted to squeeze every second out of every day, 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 2: very creative, and when I turned forty, I decided to 23 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: start my own company that someday would hopefully employ people. 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: So I've been doing this thirteen years, podcasting for ten 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: and I've really dove about as deep as you can 26 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: get into as to how do we manage our households? 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: How do we look at that both from a business 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: lens and as a home owner or somebody who lives 29 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: in a household, but also from an academic lens, and 30 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 2: how can we create operational systems that make it easier 31 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: for everyone instead of everyone having to reinvent the wheel 32 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: and create their own systems inside of households. 33 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and to that end, you actually went back to 34 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: school to research organization from sort of like a psychological 35 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: you know, organization management persons. Maybe you can talk a 36 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: little bit about that. What led to that. 37 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, So in twenty twenty one I hired someone who 38 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: had a PhD. And we did academic level research in 39 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 2: order to figure out how much housework are we doing 40 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: or what is housework? And I didn't know much about academia, 41 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: and as we were doing our study, we stumbled upon 42 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: the fact that there is no definition of housework anywhere, 43 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: not in academia or anywhere, and After we did our study, 44 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: we found some significant results, and I realized that if 45 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: I wanted to keep researching this, I wanted to be 46 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: the researcher who did it. So at the age of 47 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: fifty one, I went back to school and I'm getting 48 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: my PhD. I'm at the end of my second year 49 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 2: and getting ready to start my dissertation. And I'm so 50 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: glad I did because there's so much amazing, awesome research 51 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: and literature out there already. But we have not truly 52 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: defined a lot of our household management roles or operational definitions, 53 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: and so the studies are not really comparable. And the 54 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: studies talk a lot about the problem, but we aren't 55 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: doing a lot of applying where we're applying a solution 56 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: and then seeing if that solution is significant, And that's 57 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: what I really want to do. 58 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: Well, that's really exciting. Yeah, I mean it makes sense. 59 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: It's an area that just people have not done a 60 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: whole lot of research into. I mean, obviously there's a 61 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: lot of sort of feminist writings back in the day 62 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: of housework being something that people spent time doing, but 63 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 1: I doubt it has been approached from a very systematic 64 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: perspective in that I always love studying time use and 65 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: so just even seeing how people spend their time in 66 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: their homes. It's just this area that everyone does, and 67 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: yet it wasn't deemed worthy of study. I mean probably 68 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: because it was mostly women doing it. I mean, I 69 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: guess that would be one of the reasons. 70 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, And to your point, there are so many studies 71 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: and instead of looking at how we utilize households when 72 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: we move from our childhood home to our own home, 73 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: like from eighteen to eighty years old, all of the 74 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: studies strip away people who are single parents, strip away 75 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: people who are not married, and they narrow all of 76 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: their studies to married couples with children. Because you're right, 77 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: it's all rooted in feminist literature coming out of the 78 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 2: late seventies and early eighties, and so we have a 79 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: lot of theories about why women do more in married couples. 80 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: Do you realize that only forty percent of the United 81 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 2: States is married, and less than that even have children. 82 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: So there's sixty percent of the adult population that really 83 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: has not been studied at all. 84 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, fascinating, And I know you're going to come 85 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: up with some great stuff on that, but let's talk 86 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: a little bit about how Lisa organizes her days. So 87 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about your morning routine. 88 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: Oh, it's so simple, and I like that it's so simple, 89 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: and I talk about that all the time because I 90 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: think often we can think that our morning routines have 91 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: to be really elaborate. It's very simple. I take a shower. 92 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: I either curl my hair or I don't curl my hair. 93 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: That's a twenty minute decision right there. I wear the 94 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: same makeup every day, seven days a week. I'm one 95 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: of those always has makeup on. I grab my protein 96 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: bar and coffee and I'm out the door. 97 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: Awesome. And then what do you do once you get 98 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: to work? 99 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: So this is what I realized. I have a morning, afternoon, 100 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: and evening routine at home, and I have a start 101 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: of the day, mid day and end of day routine 102 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: at work. And those six routines really create a scaffolding 103 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: for me. So when I get to work, I like 104 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: to say that I'm going to jump right into work, 105 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: but I never do. I always make a coffee, I 106 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: walk around and I talk with the other team members 107 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: that are here. I check Instagram too many times, I 108 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: check my email, I get everything situated and it's usually 109 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 2: about thirty minutes before I actually hop into my first 110 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: meeting or whatever I'm going to work on for the day. 111 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, so tell me a little bit about Organized three 112 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: sixty five of the business, because you said, you know, 113 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: one of your goals starting it, you wanted to employ people, 114 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: and obviously you have a team. Now what exactly does 115 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: the business do and what does that team look like? 116 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? So I was a school teacher and a former 117 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 2: stay at home mom, so I do not have any 118 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: business training whatsoever. So when everybody said like, oh, you 119 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 2: could have products, I was like, Okay, you can create courses, Okay, 120 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: you can have a podcast. I'm always like yes. I 121 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: said yes and to everything. So we do a lot 122 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: of things here at Organize three sixty five. We have trademarks, 123 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: patent patents, copyrights, but basically we're an adult school. So 124 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: if you want to learn the skill of organizing as 125 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: an educator, I've created wrap around services. So you mentioned 126 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: the Sunday Basket, which we'll talk about. Every single product 127 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: that we have has a physical component like you're getting 128 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: your school supplies or your office supplies. It has an 129 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: online teaching component where I have courses and lessons that 130 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 2: go along with the physical product. And then we have 131 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: a community aspect, so there are co working times for 132 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: all the different products, so you can get online every 133 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: week and literally do that activity with someone live. 134 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: And many of those activities are about organizing the household, 135 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: organizing paper, things like that. Yep. 136 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: So we have weekly for the Sunday Basket, which is 137 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: planning your week. We have weekly for the Workbox, which 138 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: is planning your work. We have weekly for our Productive Solution, 139 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: which is organizing your home. And then we don't have 140 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: weekly for the paper. We usually do those in weekend 141 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: retreats or we have certified organizers. So we'll walk you 142 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: through taking your file cabinet and turning it into binders. 143 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, We're going to take a quick ad break 144 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: and then I'm going to be back with Lisa talking 145 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: a little bit more about how you might organize yourself 146 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: with some of her tips. Well, we are back for 147 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: those just joining us. This is before Breakfast, but this 148 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: is a longer version of the show. Once a week 149 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: or so, I am interviewing interesting people about how they 150 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 1: take their lives from great to awesome and the tips 151 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: they have to help us as well. So one of 152 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: Lisa's great products over at Organized three sixty five is 153 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: called the Sunday basket, And obviously you can get an 154 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: actual basket, but it's also a method of organizing your life. 155 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: So tell us what the Sunday basket is and why 156 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: people find this useful. 157 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: So, as I mentioned in our last part of the episode, 158 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: you know, one of the things that I've realized inside 159 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: of households is that there are no operational systems. Like 160 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: you move into a household, you literally have no furniture, 161 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: you have nothing like you have to build everything from scratch, 162 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: and that includes your operational systems. So the Sunday basket 163 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: is a kindergarten simple easy way to take all of 164 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: the decisions that come at you during the week, save 165 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: them for Sunday, and make all of your decisions at 166 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: one time and plan out your week. Many productive people 167 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: already have a similar situation or process that they do 168 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 2: that they have created on their own. The difference to 169 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 2: the Sunday basket is that you literally could just buy 170 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: it and it comes to you in the mail, and 171 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: I walk you through how to do this in a 172 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: very simple, easy way, and it's basic point it's just 173 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: taking your mail, your decisions, going through your text messages, 174 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: your email on Sunday, making all your decisions and planning 175 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: your week. However, the longer you use the system, the 176 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: more you realize that you can organize all the things 177 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: we do as household managers. Like if you do have kids, 178 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 2: their school things can be in there. We have slash 179 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 2: podcasts for any ongoing household projects that you have going 180 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: on in there, anything for yourself personally, because often our 181 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: projects at home can't be done in one week. If 182 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: you're going to do remodeling, you're going to have to 183 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: save money for that for years and then it's going 184 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: to take months to do it. Where do you put 185 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: all that stuff while you're doing it or while you're waiting? 186 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: And that's the problem that the Sunday basket solves. 187 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: So it's a physical spot where you corral all the 188 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: things that you need to deal with. So you know, 189 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: as an example, I spend time signing children's permission slips. 190 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: Presumably those would go in the basket and then I 191 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: sign them. But you say corraling like your text messages, 192 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: what does that even look? I mean, because we have 193 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: a basket, my text messages are on my phone. I 194 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: assume most peoples are there. How does the basket interact 195 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: with the text messages on your phone? Yeah, so this. 196 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: Is you know, and I am going to be doing 197 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: my dissertation on the Sunday Basket. I believe that it 198 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: improves your working memory and reduces task switching and opens 199 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: up your capacity during the week and reduces your cognitive load. 200 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: And it does that by not having to remember everything 201 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 2: in your head. So part of the Sunday Basket process 202 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: is you literally go through your text messages over the 203 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: last week and make sure you reply to everything. You 204 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: go through your email, or you get to the point 205 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 2: where you're used to going through your email and realize, oh, 206 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: this is something I could do on Sunday. You literally 207 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: print it out and then most of my Sunday basket 208 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: is notes to myself. Like if we were on video, 209 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: you would see tons of notes around me. I've written 210 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: six to myself this morning of things I need to 211 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 2: remember to do but don't have to be done immediately. 212 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: It's kind of like a to do list, but they're 213 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: all on individual pieces of paper. That way, you can 214 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: write notes anywhere, and you can also toss them when 215 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 2: you're done with them. 216 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're actually if you think, at some point 217 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: during the week, you know, I should reach out to 218 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: Bob to see you know about the neighborhood association thing 219 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: for X, Like you write that on a piece of paper, 220 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: you stick the paper in the Sunday basket, and then 221 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: on Sunday when you pull that out, you call Bob. 222 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: Exactly how that works. 223 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: Yes, And that's what we all do, except for we 224 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: write it down on a piece of paper or we 225 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: text ourselves a message, but we don't trust that we're. 226 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: Actually going to do that. 227 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 2: So then our brain is like, call Bob, Call Bob. 228 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 2: You're like, forget it. I'll just stop everything I'm doing 229 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: right now and call Bob. So I don't forget to 230 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: call Bob. And so once you create a better system 231 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: for having thoughts or getting requests at any time and 232 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: delaying those decisions to Sunday and knowing you'll actually do it, 233 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: that's where the increased mental capacity comes during the week. 234 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: Excellent. Yeah, I talk about this some with One of 235 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: my favorite tips for people is to batch the little things. 236 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: And I tend to create what I call a Friday 237 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: punch list for me Friday is when I process a 238 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: lot of these things. It's just a time that works 239 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: for me, but I can see that Sunday would work 240 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: for other folks. And I create a list of all 241 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: the little things that are non urgent but I need 242 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: to get to And the idea, which I think is 243 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: what you're getting at as well with Sunday basket, is 244 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: then I don't have to devote mental space to calling 245 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: Bob the rest of the week because Bob is on 246 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: the list for Friday, and I have a time when 247 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: I know I will attack everything on the list that 248 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: I have, you know, delegated the little things I'm batching 249 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: for Friday. So is that the same mental process there? 250 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. And you're a very productive person and you're 251 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 2: so far down on your productivity journey. How you got 252 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: to the point where you knew to do that and 253 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 2: then had a cadence for that? The Sunday basket is 254 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 2: the kindergarten version, like, how do you get from having 255 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: all these thoughts and being so overwhelmed and so far 256 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: behind you don't know what to do to you know, 257 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: living an ultra productive organized life like Laura, how do 258 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: you even learn that? So it also teaches that skill. 259 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: You can do the Sunday basket any day of the week. 260 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: We don't choose Friday because we do all that for 261 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: our work stuff on Friday, So we do the exact 262 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: same thing for the Sunday basket on Friday with a 263 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: Friday work box. 264 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: So Sunday the Sunday basket, I mean, at least in 265 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: the way you're teaching it to people. It's more for 266 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: household management, right, So that's not where you're processing the 267 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: work stuff necessarily. So for people who are maintaining that 268 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: strict separation between work stuff and personal stuff, the ideas 269 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: you do Sunday basket for personal but then you also 270 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: have a Friday idea for your work stuff. Right. 271 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: Yes, again this is kind of based on an idea 272 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: out of your book one hundred and sixty eight hours. 273 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: You have more time than you think. When you said 274 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 2: that if you start at eight am Monday until eight 275 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: pm Thursday is half of your week, and then eight 276 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 2: pm Thursday until eight am Monday, I was like mind blown, 277 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: like are you kidding me? Like that's really half? And 278 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: I was like, you're right, it is half. And so 279 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: while I still work on Friday, Friday is definitely my 280 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: flex day where my housework and my work come together. 281 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: But Monday morning until Thursday night, like I am strictly 282 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: work work even in the evenings, Like I don't do 283 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: housework Monday through Thursday evenings because I know that if 284 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: I really focus on my work Monday through Thursday and 285 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: Friday's kind of flex, then I tend to focus more 286 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: on my family and my house Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and 287 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: so I actually have a better work life balance when 288 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: I actually divide things out this way, Laura, I've taken 289 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: it so far that we send out our weekly newsletter 290 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: at seven o'clock on Thursdays, because that's when I want 291 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: people to start transitioning into thinking about your household management 292 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: role because it is a full time role. Like you've 293 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: got a work role, household management role, I of course 294 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: also have a full time student role. So I have 295 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: so many hats that I'm wearing that I'm very very 296 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: strict with these times, and these boxes allow me to 297 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: have all the thoughts I have. So Friday, before I 298 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: leave work, I touch everything and make sure that I've 299 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: got it so that I can fully transotion over into 300 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: my household management role, run my household management role on Sunday, 301 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: make sure I get all that done fully transition back 302 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: over into work. 303 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it definitely seems you'd get organized and 304 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: you know what's coming in and not feel like things 305 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: are slipping through the cracks. I wonder when people first 306 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: hear this of the like, this sounds like, you know, 307 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: I could spend my entire Sunday dealing with the stuff 308 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: that's in the Sunday basket. What your promise is that 309 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: it does eventually save you time, correct. 310 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: So I mean kind of, So the Sunday basket is 311 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: going to take you ninety minutes on Sunday, but you 312 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: also spend that time during the week. I'm just changing 313 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: when you do it, and it actually is faster than 314 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: doing it during the week because you don't have the 315 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: task switching. But what I've realized is, you know, every 316 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: four to six weeks, I'll spend three hours on the 317 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: Sunday basket. I know you guys have all just tuned out. 318 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: Don't tune out. Here's the thing. We have a lot 319 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: of CFO management that we do in our households that 320 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: can't be done Monday through Friday, and five minutes stretches 321 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: of time, and even when you're processing the regular weekly 322 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: stuff on Sunday, you're going to need another ninety minutes 323 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: to actually call the IRS and do whatever that is. 324 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: Or our insurance guy retired, I had to get a 325 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: new insurance guy. 326 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: Like when do you. 327 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: Do all that? Where do you schedule all that? It 328 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: just takes a little bit longer time. So doing those 329 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: CFO tasks take ninety minutes about every four to six weeks. 330 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: In addition, yeah, well that's one of the reasons I 331 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: do a lot of my organization on Friday is because 332 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: then I can make those calls on Friday, because you know, 333 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: presumably the prospective insurance people are at their desk on Friday, 334 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: whereas they may not be on Sunday, which would make sense, 335 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: but you have to assign a time for things that 336 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: come out of something like the Sunday basket. 337 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: Then yeah, and I mean, I work full time, so 338 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: I can't do it on Friday, So I do it 339 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: on Sunday. And then I do absolutely everything I can 340 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: do on Sunday, and then the few things that you 341 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 2: can't do on Sunday, I then schedule on my calendar 342 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: to do, you know, first thing on a Monday, Tuesday 343 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: or Wednesday or in a lunch hour or something like that. 344 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: Awesome. So, Lisa, I mean you're obviously a very organized person. 345 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: What is your biggest time management challenge right now? The PhD? 346 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: The PhD well that little thing. 347 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: So I schedule twenty five hours a week for my 348 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: PhD because I mean, that clock is sticking and those 349 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: assignments are due. I'm better at some things than other things. 350 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: You know, going back to school in your fifties, it 351 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: was a little rusty the first couple of terms. Last term, 352 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: I took an extra class, which was great because I 353 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: have less classes to do, but I really it was 354 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: too much and I was really out of balance and 355 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 2: it was the family that suffered during that term. So 356 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: I have it all blocked out. I actually work Monday 357 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: through Saturday. I work a six hour day on Saturday 358 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 2: and two nights during the week. I don't do household 359 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: related things that I work on the PhD. But being 360 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 2: scheduled and knowing it was going to take twenty five 361 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: hours a week and blocking out that time half day Thursday, 362 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: half day Monday, all day Thursday, six hours Saturday, I've 363 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: been able to do it and still travel and all 364 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: the things they said I wouldn't be able to do 365 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: while I got a PhD. I'm still doing all those things. 366 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: But you have to be like so organized and when 367 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: it's time to do the PhD, like I can't do 368 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 2: some random organizing project instead, I have to like start reading, 369 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 2: start writing, don't mess around. 370 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely carving out the time for it. For sure. We're 371 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: going to take one more quick ad break and then 372 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: I will be back with more from Lisa Woodroff. Well, 373 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: we are back. I am interviewing Lisa Woodruff, who is 374 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: the owner of Organized three sixty five, a company that 375 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: will teach you how to organize your life. She studies 376 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: household systems of how people organize all the work that 377 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: goes into maintaining a household. So, Lisa, I wonder if 378 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: you could share just a quick tip or two something 379 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: that you use in your life that has made you 380 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: more efficient or helped you save time. 381 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very simple, and you're going to say, oh, 382 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: can't make that big of a difference, so you're going 383 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: to resist doing it, But I say, just try it 384 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: for a week and see what happens. So my first 385 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: one is to literally write down everything you think or 386 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 2: you want to do on individual index cards, so just 387 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 2: grab a back of index cards or you know, a 388 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: small notepad. Don't use sticky notes. That doesn't work as well. 389 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: But literally I have to get in so I want 390 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: to get my haircut. I want to start a five 391 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: to ozho one C three. It doesn't matter how big 392 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 2: or how small it is. Every single thing goes on 393 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: an individual card. And the reason why is number one. 394 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 2: You'll just record a lot more if you have to 395 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 2: record it on a list. See my big Which list 396 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 2: does it go on? Which order? Am I going to 397 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 2: do it? Just the individual cards? If it can wait 398 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: till Sunday, it goes in the Sunday basket. You process 399 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: it on Sunday. And I found this writing one thing 400 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 2: down on one card very freeing because I just write 401 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: everything down and then also you may find they're done. 402 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: You can just toss them and then you can also 403 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: group like items together and they become a project. So 404 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 2: stop trying to use your brain to remember things and 405 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: just allow it to process things. That would be my 406 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 2: first one. 407 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: I love it one in the second. 408 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: One is very Laura vanderkam Esk, which is like record 409 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: everything on your calendar so the thing that you might 410 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 2: be missing on your calendar, which people in my audience 411 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: usually say once they start doing it, they can't believe 412 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 2: it is your drive time, like how much time you 413 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: spend driving. I have multiple calendars. I have a forward 414 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: facing corporate calendar. I have a corporate calendar where I 415 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 2: schedule out all the work that I'm going to do 416 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: that is not meeting work so that people can still 417 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 2: schedule meetings with me. And then I have a personal calendar. 418 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: And more than that, those are the only ones we'll 419 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 2: talk about now. So every single day, all day long, 420 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 2: I am recording how I use my time, like I 421 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 2: have a perpetual time diary that goes back like five 422 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 2: years in Google calendar, because I want to know how 423 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 2: much time I'm spending on everything. And with the PhD, 424 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: I've been really, really purposeful and making sure I spend 425 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: time with my husband, time with my daughter and my 426 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: grandson who live with us, so that I'm still making 427 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: sure that I hit those family components. They think they're 428 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 2: not getting enough time, I can tell you exactly how 429 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: much time they're getting. They're getting ridiculous amount of time. 430 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: So everybody's getting time, and I know where my time 431 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: is going, so write it down. If you're not good 432 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 2: at scheduling in advance, sometimes it's helpful to schedule after 433 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 2: you've done things, so you can see where your time went, 434 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: and then you can start making modifications to how you're 435 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: spending your time after you see where it's going. 436 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: I love it well. I'm a big fan of time diaries. 437 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: Longtime listeners know that I've been tracking my time for 438 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: about nine and a half years now, so it's good 439 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: to see where it all goes. And again, yes, I 440 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: can show how much time I've been spending with everyone, 441 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: and they may have their own impressions of it. But 442 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: we can't claim zero because that is not true. Of course, 443 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: we can't claim other things that might be over the top, 444 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: because I do not spend my entire life emptying the dishwasher, 445 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: much as I sometimes think I do. My time logs 446 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: will show otherwise, even if that is the story I 447 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: am telling myself. So, Lisa, I wonder if you can 448 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: share something you've done recently to take a day from 449 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: great to awesome. I mean, maybe this is something you've 450 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: done with your family, with your grandson or something like that. 451 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: Kin you know, as we were talking about tracking our 452 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 2: time and making sure that our family gets enough of 453 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: our time. I would say that now that I'm in 454 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: my fifties and I embarked on this PhD, my family 455 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 2: was not like, yay, my mom, that's gonna go do it. 456 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, that's great. I'm doing it anyway, 457 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: and I'm doing more of that. I'm doing it anyway. 458 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 2: Like I now do jigsaw puzzling, even with a PhD. 459 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 2: I'm doing jigsaw puzzling from like seven to nine pm 460 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 2: after I take my long bath, and I have nights 461 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: where I don't do the PhD at all, and also 462 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: I don't put my grandson to bed, and I don't 463 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: empty the dishwasher or do the dishes. Like I literally 464 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 2: am putting myself on my schedule. And my kids are grown, 465 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 2: so they're older. But I think that we all should 466 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: be able to you know, I school Instagram for half 467 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 2: an hour and I don't care, and I put it 468 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: on my calendar. It's okay, Like we are worthy of 469 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: being put on the calendar just for something we want 470 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: to do that doesn't have to have a financial or 471 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 2: a productivity value to it. 472 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely, though, I love the idea of actually putting thirty 473 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: minutes of Instagram on the calendar because then it's chosen. 474 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: It has a start time and an end time, and 475 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: you know how it will fit with your day, as 476 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: opposed to randomly picking up the phone to look at 477 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: Instagram and then you know, yes, a similar time could 478 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: go or more, but you feel bad about it because 479 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: there were other things you felt you should be doing 480 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: as opposed to it being what you have chosen for 481 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: that time. 482 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I allow myself now to just have fun time. 483 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: Another thing I do is I play this silly little 484 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: game on my phone when I'm sitting around with the 485 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: family and we're just kind of talking instead just you know, 486 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: eyeballs on everybody, I just get out the phone. I'm 487 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 2: like playing this mindless game while we're chatting and the 488 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: grandson's running around. Like the kids play on their phone 489 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 2: all the time. Why can't I play on my phone 490 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: every once in a while. So a couple of days 491 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 2: a week, you'll just see me like for thirty minutes 492 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 2: playing this game until it tells me how to pay 493 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: them two dollars and ninety nine cents. I'm like, oh, 494 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: I guess I'm done for the day. 495 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: Now, done for the day. Now, that's the dividing line 496 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: once they start charging you exactly. Lisa, what are you 497 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: looking forward to right now? 498 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to the research I'm going to 499 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 2: be able to do and to be able to create 500 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 2: more systems like the Sunday Basket, and also to make 501 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 2: them more generalizable and more accessible to everyone. So I 502 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: am looking on starting a five oh one C three. 503 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 2: That is one of my little index cards because I 504 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: am starting to realize how everyone needs operational systems at home. 505 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: I'm talking to people in Habitat for Humanity here in Cincinnati, Ohio. 506 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 2: I'm talking to the Free Store Food Bank. I'm talking 507 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: to a group that moves people from homelessness into households, 508 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 2: and I'm really saying that once we move people into households, 509 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: or once they graduate from high school and they're on 510 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 2: the Free Store Food Bank, like how are they going 511 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: to run their household? There are some management things that 512 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: everyone needs that are not being taught, and I feel 513 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 2: that's part of how people fall back into homelessness or 514 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 2: are not able to be self sufficient, especially if you're 515 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 2: young and you are a single mother, which when my 516 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: daughter gave birth, forty percent of women in twenty twenty one, 517 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 2: we're single women giving birth and so you know you 518 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 2: don't have that marriage structure, that cohabitating partner with you 519 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 2: to help you in the household. There are a lot 520 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: of needs out there that are not being addressed because 521 00:24:59,240 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: they're not being. 522 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: Looked absolutely well. I know you will add to the 523 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: discussion a lot on that. So, Lisa, can you please 524 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: let our listeners know where they can find you? 525 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: Sure? The company is called Organized three sixty five. I 526 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 2: have a podcast that's been running for ten years and 527 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 2: I'm most active on Instagram under Organized three sixty five. 528 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, Lisa, thank you so much for joining us, 529 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: and thanks to my Before Breakfast listeners for sticking around 530 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: for these longer episodes. I hope you are enjoying them. 531 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: Feel free to send me feedback at Laura at Laura 532 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: vandercam dot com. And in the meantime, this is Laura. 533 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and here's to making the most of 534 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: our time. Thanks for listening to Before Breakfast. 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