1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome and everybody to the Clay Travis 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show Wednesday edition. Got a lot to 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: get to with you today on updates from the battlefield 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: in Ukraine. What are EU partners going to do about this? 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: NATO partners, what's going to happen with these MiGs? The 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: Polish offered up that looks like they're not going to 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: make their way all the way through Ukraineley's not yet. 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: The political fight back here at home over energy. The 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: Biden administration wants it both ways. They're not standing in 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: the way of energy, except it's going to end the 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: world if we don't stop using fossil fuel. So which 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: one is it? They're lyned you even more about the 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: don't the parental rights bill in Florida. We need to 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: stop using the term that they use for it because 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: it is meant as one of propaganda. It is a lie. 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: But that's how they've managed to get so much attention 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: for all of this. And beyond that, I have a 19 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: story i want to talk to you about with the 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: Shackleton voyage. So the Shackleton Ship Endurance was Found under 21 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: the Sea. That'll be later on in the show. I 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: just love that book, the book Endurance about the actual 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: the non fiction book about the Shacklin Boys. We'll talk 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: to you about that later. That's a book recommendation for 25 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: the weekend. Good mix things up. We got our friend 26 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: Raheem Kassam joining later on in the program to talk 27 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: to you about that. He's from the National Interest, editor 28 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: in chief there, Carol Markowitz Joy, he's gonna talk about Ukraine. 29 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: Carol mark Witz joining to talk about the slow walk 30 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: away from We know masks work, we know lockdowns work 31 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: to well, I mean, like not really and they're saying 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: this in the New York Times. But we'll dive into 33 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: that and then the bottom of this hour actually come 34 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: up just a few minutes. Jack Carr, former Navy seal sniper, 35 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: number one best selling New York Times, author of a 36 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: thriller series, The Terminal List, he'll be with us. I 37 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: wrote an op ed with him on Foxnews dot Com 38 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: right now. You can go check it out. Here's how 39 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: America can help Ukraine cripple the Russian war machine. We're 40 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: gonna do it. We're gonna be assisting that we might 41 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: as well, do it the best way we can. But 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: here's the big concern right now, play as this is 43 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: clearly getting worse than as exactly as we had anticipated. Putin's. 44 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: This is on the daily mail right now, for example, 45 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: Putin's hospital atrocity. I mean, you're seeing the awfulness of 46 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: war and people are becoming more emotionally involved in the 47 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: desire to do something in Ukraine. What does this mean 48 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: if Putin starts to lose. Here is a nuclear weapons expert, 49 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: Joe Syncone, saying, if Putin starts losing, the risk grows. 50 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: That's the danger. Ironically, if he is losing the war, 51 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: the nuclear risks row, the stakes for him become very high, 52 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: and he may feel like a gambler at the table 53 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: who's losing his hand. He's just going to bet the house. 54 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: And Russian doctrine does allow for something called escalate, to 55 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: de escalate, to use a nuclear weapon first to try 56 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: to back off the West. If they're He's right about that, 57 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: that is Russian military doctrine that they will they will 58 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: use a nuke as essentially a back off maneuver if 59 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: they think they're about to lose dramatically. Clay, we've gone 60 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: quite a ways from just a couple of weeks ago 61 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: where the country seemed very much in favor of non 62 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: intervention and now over seventy percent say they want to 63 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: know fly zone. Well, this is I think utterly the 64 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: danger and the analogy we've used, and I think it's 65 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: a good one on this show is the guy who 66 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: loses the fist fight, and maybe Putin is losing the 67 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: fist fight right now and isn't happy with the result 68 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: and the embarrassment that comes with that loss, and decides 69 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: to bring a knife or a gun or brings in 70 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: a bunch more guys to try to exact revenge over 71 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: what has happened. I also think we should mention buck 72 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: the situation in Poland. We talked about that live on 73 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: the show yesterday and I think diagnosed what ultimately the 74 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: State Department ended up coming to that same conclusion, which was, 75 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: and to reiterate for people out there who may have 76 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: missed this, the idea was Poland was going to give 77 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: airplanes to jets fighter jets to Ukraine, but they were 78 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: going to do it by using a base in Germany 79 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: to make the transfer. And initially we said, look if 80 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: they try to do it in Poland. Then the Russians 81 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: may well attack those jets before they get airborne, and 82 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: so Poland said, hey, we'll put those jets in Germany. 83 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: But what you then create is the possibility of Vladimir 84 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: Putin attacking Germany to try to keep those jets from 85 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: going into Ukraine and making it to Ukraine airspace. And 86 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: so what you're pointing to, Buck sevent people may favor 87 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: a no fly zone, but they're probably thinking about the 88 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: no fly zone in the context of what happened in Iraq, 89 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: where we had total air superiority and we weren't in 90 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: danger of creating World War three. I thought Marco Rubio 91 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: said it well when he said, look, a no fly 92 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: zone basically creates the entire situation for World War three 93 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: to exist, and if that were to end up happening, 94 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: what we're doing is sort of a slow walk up 95 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: to potentially an escalating situation where the United States gets 96 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: officially drawn in. And that's the debate we were having yesterday, Buck. 97 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: At what point does AID become not aid anymore, but 98 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: an actual tacit action to put you in as a 99 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: combatant to me fighter planes feels like it's pretty close. 100 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: I think it was last week when I said, here, 101 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: I understand we're rooting for Ukraine because they're the underdogs. 102 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: They've been invaded, and there's all these reports about how 103 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: strong the resistance has been. The Russian war machine is vicious, 104 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: it is fierce, and it is gaining ground. They are currently, 105 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: if you look at it on a map, carving up 106 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: areas of Ukraine and establishing total control on the ground. 107 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: Now it's not a majority of Ukraine, but there's a 108 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: whole region in the north, a region in the east, 109 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: in a region of the south where they're effectively creating 110 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: a de facto annexation for the Russian Federation. That's happening 111 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: right now. They're also increasing the shelling, they're increasing the 112 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: destructiveness that they're willing to engage in at this phase. 113 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: And when we're talking about a no fly zone, to 114 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: the point you just made a second ago, it is 115 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: you know, when you put American planes in the sky 116 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: and you say we will shoot down Russian planes, now 117 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: just turns into who's going to fire first, because there's 118 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: no way Russian planes and American planes are in a 119 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: no fly zone and they're just flying past each other. 120 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: Nothing happens, right we know that. So here's a former 121 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: ambassador is actually on MSNBC saying you shouldn't call it 122 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: just a no fly zone. Here's what you should call it. 123 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: I think a no fly zone is the wrong move. 124 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: Let's just get rid of this euphemism no fly zone. 125 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: Let's call it for what it is, is war. If 126 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: we try to implement a no fly zone, that means 127 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: that an American pilot has to shoot down a Russian pilot. 128 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: And if we do that, that's a declaration of war. 129 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: And Vladimir Putin has been very clear that that's the 130 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: way he sees it. And if we're prepared to do that, 131 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: if the American people want to go to war with Russia, 132 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: I think it would be a mistake. But if we're 133 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: prepared to do it, then we should have a vote 134 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: in the US Congress, because the Congress is supposed to 135 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: declare war. That's what we need to do. First. We 136 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: should stop calling it a no fly zone, and we 137 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: should start calling it declaration against Russia to go to war. 138 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: I was former US ambassador to Russia for a long time. 139 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: McFall We'll say it is a leftist and something of 140 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: a loon on things like Trump issues. But on this point, 141 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: on this issue, Clay, I think what he's saying is true. 142 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: I think what he's saying is right. And also, Buck, 143 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't even require and conscious decision and intent to 144 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: shoot down a plane. You know this as well as 145 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: anybody out there listening to would also the amount of 146 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: potential errors that could come into play when you've got 147 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: all of these jets flying around over Ukraine. Even if 148 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: there is an attempt to avoid conflict, it virtually is 149 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: impossible to have that conflict avoidance occur. So yeah, I 150 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: think that's that's really where the rubber meets the road. 151 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: We have to decide what is our limit in terms 152 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: of engagement as it pertains to Russia and Ukraine and 153 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: so far. To me, And I don't know if you 154 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: agree with this, Buck, but putting jets, giving jets to 155 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: Ukrainians and allowing them to take off and pilot those 156 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: jets feels awfully close to me. I mean, and I 157 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: don't know if you agree with me, but I'm thinking 158 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: about it almost and you know, try to think about 159 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: it from a Russian Vladimir Putin perspective. It's one thing 160 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: if you're giving guns, it's another thing. If you're giving 161 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: even the anti anti tank apparatus and everything else, Theoretically 162 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: Ukraine could find ways to buy that on the black market. 163 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: You can't buy a jet on the black market, right like, 164 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: you can't just randomly end up with one of these 165 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: high powered jets. So there is to me a standard 166 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: where giving armaments goes beyond just hey, here's some guns, 167 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: here's some anti tank missiles, here's some javelin javelin materials, 168 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: and oh, by the way, here's twenty fighter jets. The 169 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,479 Speaker 1: fighter jets feels to me buck like a pretty substantial 170 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: acceleration if I'm looking at this from a Russia perspect Well, 171 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: if they're gonna be take if they are taking off 172 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: from bases outside Ukraine, which they have to be, which 173 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: they initially would would be, I mean, I don't think 174 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna draw them. They're not gonna put them on 175 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: on trucks and take them across the border by land, 176 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: so they're gonna fly them in. But if they're flying 177 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: strikes from outside of Ukrainian territory, the Russians are going 178 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: to see that as I mean, that is an act, 179 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: that is an active war. I mean, we just need 180 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: to start using these terms, that's an active war. If 181 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: you're if you're allowing someone else to fly planes off 182 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: to do strikes against you, you're going to look at 183 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: that as they're a belligerent now they're in the conflict. 184 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: Even to your point, you have to start that way, right, 185 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: because they're not going to put these things on trains 186 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: or on big trucks and try to somehow cross the 187 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: border with the plane on the ground, like you have 188 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: to have them take off with Ukrainian pilots from a 189 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: other area, you know of another country to fly in. 190 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: That feels to me like, if I'm Russia, a declaration 191 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: of war. In some ways, it's different than bringing guns 192 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: or bringing these other materials across the border. To me, 193 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: do you feel the same way that that feels like 194 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: a fairly substantial acceleration. It's an escalation for sure, which 195 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: is why I think the US response, but it has 196 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: been whoa hold on a second, We didn't feel it yet. Yeah, 197 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: so there's there's clearly something different. Plus we were already 198 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: selling armaments. I mean know that the Chinese. I mean 199 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: there are people that have been selling armaments to Russia. 200 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: We're not about to say we're at war with them 201 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: right there. But there's something more specific and something right 202 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, next to the battlefield, so to speak about 203 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: allowing the MiGs to be transferred to Ukraine. That clearly 204 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: is raising is raising concerns, raising tensions. And I'm amazed, 205 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: Clay people say, and I've seen this now, Putin's not 206 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: gonna fire nukes if we start shooting his planes out 207 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: of the sky. Yeah, it's a it's a bill, it's 208 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: a big bible to just be saying that. That's that's 209 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, think of what we're talking. We're not We're 210 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: not saying, you know, oh, the Ruble might tank fifteen 211 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: percent if we start shooting planes of the sky. It's 212 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: he won't fire nuclear weapons, folks. And this is what 213 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: we're actually we're having this discussion right now. We've just 214 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: come out of a two year pandemic, and we're closer 215 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: in America at least to the prospect of a nuclear 216 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: exchange than what any Cuban missile crisis probably. I mean, 217 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: let's be realistic. When was the last time we were 218 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: really sitting around saying this feels like you could go 219 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: wrong and there could be nukes at any moment. It's 220 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: been decades at a minimutly at least back to the eighties. 221 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: Look at how quickly we've moved along. I mean, I'm 222 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: kind of stunned, Clay, at the polling and by the 223 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: people can say, oh, Buck, maybe you shouldn't believe the polling. 224 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: But I see a lot of people, a lot of 225 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: people in the right. No, we need to do this. 226 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: No fly zone for Ukraine. Really, all of a sudden, 227 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: a no fly zone. We're two weeks into this, and 228 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: by the way, what have I been saying? It's gonna 229 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: get ugly. Forget about the ghost of Kiev and the 230 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: beauty queen with her air soft rifle and all this 231 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: initial propaganda about the glorious resistance. This is going to 232 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: turn into hell. It's going to look awful. We're going 233 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: to see some of it. It's going to be playing 234 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: on the emotions of everyone who's not in the conflict. 235 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: And you have to think about this stuff rationally and 236 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: in a calculated fashion. Does miscalculation here, Clay, that's the 237 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,599 Speaker 1: kind of stuff that keeps you up. I don't know 238 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: what else to say. I mean, how how much higher 239 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: can the stakes possibly be than what we're talking right now? 240 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: With these decisions about US involvement in Ukraine, which I'm 241 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: sitting here saying no, no, there's a question that I 242 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: have for you, Buck, and you may know the answer, 243 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: and I don't know, and I haven't even seen it 244 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: covered very much. What kind of protection missile shield do 245 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: we have in the event that Putin decided to launch 246 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: a nuke? Let's talk. I mean, to what extent do 247 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: we have the knowledge technologically to be able to try 248 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: to keep one of these things from landing? That used 249 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: to be talked about a lot in the nineteen eighties 250 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: and the early nineties when the Cold War was still 251 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: kind of unconscious. Thought, I don't remember having that conversation 252 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: in thirty years posed this way. And then we'll bring 253 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: in somebody who understands the combat combat on the ground 254 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: very well. You know how this stuff goes. Jack Carr, 255 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: former Navy seal who's a sniper, saw combat overseas. He'll 256 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: be joined the best selling author too, you guys. I'm 257 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: sure I've read his books. He'll be joining us in 258 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: just a few minutes. Clay, I would just say this, 259 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: the government that just made us mask up for two 260 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: years unnecessarily is not averment that I sleep well at 261 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: night hoping would be able to shoot a nuclear weapon 262 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: out of the sky in time. I'm going to tell 263 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: you that right now, I don't know. You know, I've 264 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: been out of the system. 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And I'm 295 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: curious with your background in the CIA, what you would say. 296 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: Let's pretend that Vladimir Putin is backed up against the 297 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: wall and he makes the decision to fire a nuclear weapon. 298 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: Let's presume that he decides to do that. Obviously an awful, 299 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: horrible situation. Where does he fire it? And what are 300 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:00,359 Speaker 1: the chances that we could meaning the countries that potentially 301 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: would be targeted shoot down that nuclear missile without it landing. 302 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: And what does that even look like? I mean, is 303 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: that a cataclysmic explosion when you shoot down a nuclear 304 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: warhead in the air? Like, what is it? What would 305 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: the where do you think he would aim? And what 306 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: do you think the chances are that we could shoot 307 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: it down? Look, there's a there's a whole set and 308 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: this is this is a little bit clay. Like in 309 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: the sports world, there are people who know baseball really 310 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: well and people who know football really well. And I'll 311 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: just tell everybody missiles is I have a baseline level 312 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: of knowledge about this from from time and government and academically, 313 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: so this is not And I've I've got some friends 314 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: who could come on who could speak to this with 315 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: greater specificity than I think. So I always want to 316 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: tell this audience what I know and what I don't know. Yea, 317 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: in terms of where he would fire, Um, I think 318 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: the most likely scenario and this is from conversations I've 319 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: had with missile people. Yes, that's the Wait, a missile 320 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: guy or girl whoever that is, would actually be kind 321 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: of a fascinating conversation because I are you with me 322 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: that there's just not that much discussion about this in 323 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: an intelligence question. I think people are waving off the 324 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: possibility of a low yield nuclear weapon being used. Remember 325 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: there's different grades and levels of nukes, but a low 326 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: yield nuclear weapon being used by Putin as essentially the 327 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: al Right, you know, I've got ICBMs. You know I've 328 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: got a lot more. That was a taste of what's coming. 329 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: Do you want more? So? I think the light you're 330 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: asking me if Putin does go with that Madman move 331 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: of firing off a nuke, I think it's a low 332 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: yield tactical they call it tactical nuclear weapon that goes 333 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: off somewhere in theater. And I think if there's air 334 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: fields involved, for example, on a no fly zone, I 335 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: mean that would be the first that would probably be 336 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: the first place you go in terms of whether they 337 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: could shoot it down. I mean, I honestly, I don't know. 338 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: I don't I'd love to know. 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He is a former Navy 368 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: seal sniper and number one a New York Times best 369 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: selling author of The Devil's Hand, which you should all 370 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: go check out. Jack, Thanks so much, sir for joining us. 371 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: Appreciate you being here on Clay and Buck, oh thanks 372 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. What what crazy times? Who would 373 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: have ever thought that in twenty twenty two would be 374 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: talking about a nuclear confrontation between the United States and Russia, 375 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: Especially for those of us who grew up in the 376 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: Cold War era and saw come to end in the 377 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: early nineties. It's quite surreal. I mean, Jack, right now, 378 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: there's this discussion about no fly zones and I'm just 379 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: talking about Clay was asking I thought some great questions. 380 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard some of it right 381 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: before you came on about what we do. First of all, 382 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: Russian military doctrine when it comes to a nuclear first 383 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: strike is what as far as we know, and what 384 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: are the chances we could even counter it? Before it 385 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: went off, And what can you tell us about this 386 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: component of the equation, the most terrifying component of how 387 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: things could go terribly wrong in Ukraine and in the region. Sure, 388 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: it's so. Yeah. The Russian military doctrine does integrate the 389 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: use of tactical nuclear weapons, which which means they have 390 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: them and they could be employed. And they also have 391 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: this policy of escalating to de escalate, so either a 392 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: threat or maybe an attack not on a major city 393 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: but on a minor one just to show what they 394 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: could do to a major city or ton infrastructure. So 395 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: that's all part of the playbook. But when we're looking 396 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: at this, we often look at all of these things 397 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: through a Western lands and that continues to come back 398 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: to bite us. We have a history of doing that 399 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: and we're doing that in this case as well. Because 400 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: the Russian pot population has been on the steep decline 401 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: since the end of the Cold War, and Russia and 402 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: Ukraine has the largest ethnic population of our fall flation 403 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: of ethnic Russians outside of Russia, so they need those 404 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: people to continue to survive. They need that to field 405 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: an army if they want to continue to field an 406 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: army at its current level. So they really needed to 407 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: do this, not for energy, not for anything like that, 408 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: but so they could continue to survive. So when we 409 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: look at it through that lens, then that seems that 410 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: the Russian people, the Russian government put in particular, feels 411 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: like they're backed into a corner and they need this 412 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: ethnic Russian population to survive, which means that they will 413 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: probably do anything to get it, and that means that 414 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: they possibly they could use tactical nuclear weapons. So that 415 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: is something that is on the table and it is 416 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: a scary proposition and that has to be factored into 417 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: the US calculus when we look at what is in 418 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: the United States best interest is that which at top 419 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: of that list should be avoiding a nuclear confrontation with Russia. 420 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: They have about six thousand nuclear weapons. I think we 421 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: have about five thousand. Regardless, we both have the largest 422 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: stockpiles of nuclear weapons on the world, and we want 423 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: to do everything we can to avoid using them because 424 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: no one wins in that scenario, no doubt, Jack, and 425 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on, and this is kind of 426 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: the questions that I have that don't seem to be 427 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: discussed that much in the media or the larger discussion 428 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: surrounding these issues. So a couple of things, the building 429 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: off what you just said, a tactical nuclear weapon has 430 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: the capacity, I'm sure there's different loads for lack of 431 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: a better term, in terms of the damage that they 432 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: can do. What kind of damage are we talking about 433 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: a tactical nuke being capable of creating? And what kind 434 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: of defenses? What is the likelihood that in Europe, let's 435 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: say Russia deploys a nuclear weapon that it could be 436 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: shut down, beef shot down before it actually is allowed 437 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 1: to explode. Do we have any sense for that? And 438 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: who would be doing that? Is that a NATO defense? 439 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: Would they just allow it to land in Ukraine? How 440 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: would this be handled by the larger universe of geopolitical actors? Right? 441 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: So those are all all great questions. They have a 442 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: variety of nuclear weapons, so they have everything from nuclear 443 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: weapons obviously, ballistic missiles on submarines to the tactical ones too. 444 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: If you go back even in looking back in the 445 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: eighties and and even seventies, those they call them suitcase 446 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: suitcase bombs back then, a little bigger than a suitcase obviously, 447 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: but you can see those online see pictures of them. 448 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: So they have a variety of ways. They don't even 449 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: need to launch a missile. They can I would guess 450 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: that they still have those those suitcase bombs somewhere after 451 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: the end of the Cold War, and they can certainly 452 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: drop those off in the middle of the city and 453 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: h and leave, just to show the world, Hey, this 454 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: is a smaller city. We destroyed the entire thing. Do 455 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: you want us to do this to one of the 456 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: larger cities. And of course the implied threat there is 457 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: that if we can do it here, we can do 458 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: it elsewhere in Europe. And of course we want to 459 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: avoid triggering Article five of NATO so that we don't 460 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: have to get into this unuclear conflict with Russia. So 461 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: the good thing I think if you look at weather patterns, 462 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: I quickly scanned weather patterns and using them right now, 463 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like it's beneficial because the winds aren't 464 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: quite right for that. Because you use one of those 465 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: missiles that blows back on you, then it's obviously that's 466 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: not doing you any good. And right now we have 467 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: some some the winds are in our favor, but those 468 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: winds will shift at some point. But I would think 469 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: that our intelligence services are looking at this extremely closely 470 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: right now and figuring out the best way to counter 471 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: and avoid a nuclear confrontation. We're speaking to former Navy 472 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: seal sniper Jack Carr, also author of The Devil's Hand, 473 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: about the situation right now in Ukraine. Jack and I 474 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: co wrote a piece on Foxnews dot com. You can 475 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: check it out at Clainbuck dot com on how America 476 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: can help Vukrane cripple the Russian war machine. Jack, let's 477 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: dive into that for a second here. In terms of 478 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: the ground combat, it has been mostly ground combat so far. 479 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: The Russian aerial advantage has been substantial, but not totally 480 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: dominant the way that some had anticipated. So what is 481 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: allowing the Ukrainians to put up a stronger fight than anticipated? 482 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: And what do you think the American hand in this. 483 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: We've already made the decision that we're helping them, So 484 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: how should we help them? What should we give them 485 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: with logistics and support? Right So, it's it's interesting that 486 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: the Russians are not dominating the skies right now, because 487 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: you would think that would be one of the first 488 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: things that they would would do, because I think they can, 489 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: they have that capability. So how do you counter that, well, 490 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: you can counter that with Stinger missiles. And we know 491 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: that because we look at the Soviet experience in Afghanistan 492 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eighty nine, and when 493 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: we got those Stinger missiles in there and trained the 494 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: Mujahadin how to use them, that turn the tide of 495 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: the war. That was September twenty six, nineteen eighty six, 496 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: outside of outside of Jalalabad, when they shot down three 497 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: Soviet hind helicopters and after that over the net and 498 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: up to that point, from nineteen seventy nine until nineteen 499 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: eighty six, the Soviets dominated the skies over Afghanistan. After 500 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: those Singers were introduced three years later they were out, 501 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: they lost that dominance in the sky. So that's one 502 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: and you can look to history for that. And then 503 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: you can look at our experience in Interac and Afghanistan 504 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: and you can see the id S, specifically the EFPs 505 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: that came over from Iran and how that weapon of 506 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: tactical level weapon really gained a strategic importance because it 507 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: defeated the most technologically superior armor in the world and 508 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: undermined support for the war effort. So those on the 509 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: ground that are studying warfare in Ukraine can look to 510 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: both of those examples and then also look to the 511 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: other things that are working for them right now, namely 512 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: the javelin and I tank missile right there. So a stingers, 513 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: you get javelins, you get homemade essentially I eeds EFPs 514 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: on the ground there, and you're in for a protracted fight. 515 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: And once again, that Russian army wasn't really built to 516 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: invade countries. It was built to occupy countries where governments 517 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: had been installed by the Kremlin. And then there's an 518 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: intelligence apparatus that's more accurately described as a secret police, 519 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: that's silence and eliminates dissidence. But to invade and then 520 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: battle a well supplied, decades long insurgency, as we saw 521 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,719 Speaker 1: INTERAC in Afghanistan, it's difficult, and it's it's even more 522 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: difficult when your army is less prepared for that than 523 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: we were INTERRAC in Afghanistan. Jack, you learned from every 524 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: conflict and every struggle what has surprised you the most 525 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: that you were not anticipating so far? In Russia's invasion 526 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: of Ukraine. I thought, well, I would thought that they 527 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: would be they would take over Ukraine in about three days. 528 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: They massed their forces and I thought they would roll through. 529 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: But I think what really turned the tide and really 530 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: what allows what prevented that from happening, is leadership. We 531 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: saw a leadership at the top. Of course, we offered 532 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: to bring the President of the Ukraine out and he 533 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: said no, And the world got to see that it 534 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: was and they didn't get to see that through our 535 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: press secretary, they got to see a real time on 536 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: social media. So the messaging in this conflict is extremely important. 537 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: That leadership is extremely important, and that really rallied not 538 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: just the Ukrainian military, but the Ukrainian citizenry as well 539 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: and most of the West. So I think that is 540 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: something that that that surprised me the most, because had 541 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: the Russians just rolled through over three days, we would 542 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: be in a different position right now. They'd probably be 543 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: holding Ukraine, maybe there'd be an insurgency, maybe there wouldn't be, 544 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: but the government would be decapitated and there wouldn't be 545 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: that leadership at the top. So it surprises me. That's one, 546 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: and then two is that they didn't assassinate the president 547 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: of Ukraine and have that be the trigger for the invasion. 548 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: So those things where the most surprising I think thus far. 549 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: Former Navy seal Jack Carr. Go check out at klanbuck 550 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: dot com the op ed we co wrote on how 551 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: the essentially the ground war can be turned against the 552 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: Russians with US armaments and Jack appreciate it. Also check 553 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: out The Devil's Hand. Jack, thanks so much for your 554 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: time today. Thanks so much for having me appreciate it. 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Some of you 581 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: are just finished off breakfast on the West Coast, And 582 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: I know gas prices are skyrocketing everywhere. Although small positive, 583 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: gas prices have come off about ten percent from the 584 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: all time highs they have hit. So maybe there was 585 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: a little bit of a little bit of speculation going 586 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: on early in the energy sector. Maybe it's not going 587 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: to be as bad. I don't I don't want to 588 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: try to sell false, false positives here, but at least 589 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: coming back off ten percent from the thirteen years hot 590 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: thirteen year highs is a positive even as prices continue 591 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: to go up across the country. But we've got a 592 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: Trump impersonator. I want to make sure that everybody out 593 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: there in the news media who is listening and covers 594 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: this show understands this is an impersonator, says not Donald 595 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: Trump himself. He has not called into the show. This 596 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: is a Trump impersonator, Sean Farish talking about gas prices. 597 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: Enjoy The gas is too damn high. I just have 598 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: to say, the gases too damn. I look at this 599 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: four eighty nine. It's a disgusting thing. I missened when 600 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: the gas used to be low. You know, it used 601 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: to be so low, lower than fake news, CNN's ratings 602 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: or aocs thank you. Now the gas is high, higher 603 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: than Jerry Nadler's pants or hunt to bid and through 604 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: a night on the town, Sleepy Joe. He could do it, 605 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, he could unleash American energy, but he'd rather 606 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: talk to Venezuela and I ran he'd rather negotiate with 607 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: communists and terrorists instead of negotiating with hardworking Americans. It's 608 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: a disgrace to what's happening. The dances too, dev high. 609 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: But it doesn't have to be Believe me, that is 610 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: the best unbelievable. He's the best trumping persona or I 611 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 1: have ever heard. I mean, there might be others, but 612 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of them. That guy's the best 613 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: trumping person. First of all, it's great content too, Like 614 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: it's very well written. He's not just sounding like him, 615 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: but he actually is saying funny things about everything. And 616 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: but I mean, I think Trump would say everything like that. 617 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: That was all Trump stuff that Trump would say. I 618 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: mean that's why I said, because if you just got 619 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: in your car and you didn't hear my introduction and 620 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: you just turned that on, you'd be like, oh, they're 621 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: playing a clip from Trump or he's on the show again, 622 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: And maybe I shouldn't have teased that up. I should 623 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: have just sit. Yeah, I wouldn't let you play whether 624 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: or not see if people's picked up, Yeah, that's right. 625 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: If he if he Clay, if that guy called you 626 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: and he was like, Clay, Travis, I want to be 627 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: on your show, the best show to you know, if 628 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: he did the whole thing, would I would be like, yes, 629 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: mister president would think that was Trump. I mean, if 630 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: that guy called Saudi Arabia right now. I met that 631 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: he could get an old deal. Then I won't talk 632 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: to Biden, but I met they would talk to the 633 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: trumpet personator. Uh, he could definitely get he could probably 634 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: do an international deal. As the former president right now 635 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: on the phone. That guy. That guy's amazingly good. Look 636 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,959 Speaker 1: we got we gotta find and we will find here 637 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: on the show, certainly the the light moments and Speaker, which, 638 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: by the way, I get all excited about this play. 639 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: What is if you're gonna recommend one weekend read nonfiction 640 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: book to somebody, what is it like weekend nonfiction and 641 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: something that you just you can't even tailor it to 642 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: the person. You're just giving them one book that's nonfiction 643 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: to read that you think they're gonna like, I read 644 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: a I mean, first of all, that's a broad category. 645 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: I nerd, so I'd be like, I'm reading a book 646 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: about pickets arch, you know, and I'm like, you know, 647 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: third Day Battle of Gettysburg. I'm not sure that every 648 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: person out there is gonna love it. The one of 649 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: the best non fiction books that I have read, and 650 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: I came to this one a little bit late. The 651 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: Lost City of z have you read that book? No, 652 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: I read The Law I think it was the The 653 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: Law City. Oh gosh, I'm forgetting um something. Anyways, you 654 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: like that book, I haven't read that. One City of 655 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: the White Monkey God was the book. I I read that. 656 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: That was great too. I'm kind of I'm kind of 657 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 1: a h like, you know, explore. But you're you're hitting 658 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: on this because of the Ernest Shackleton. Yes, I have 659 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: not read this, this book at all that we were 660 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: talking about off the air so they just found it's 661 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: been over a hundred years since the ship sank two 662 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: miles beneath the surface of the water in Antarctica. The 663 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: book Endurance is incredible. It's about the Shackleton Voyage, the 664 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: Shacklin voyage at the time nineteen fourteen, right before really 665 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: right at the early stage of World War One. I 666 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: think it might have been a few weeks before, a 667 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: few weeks after. I think I forget. But anyway, nineteen fourteen, 668 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: the whole world was watching this thing play supposed to 669 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: make their way across all of Antarctica, and they get 670 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: stuck in a nice pack on this ship. And you 671 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: got to assume these guys are anargue this is pre 672 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 1: cell phone, pre battery, pre you know, pre phone. I mean, 673 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: and these guys man it. I mean, I want to 674 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: give stuff away. It's just a great read. I mean 675 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: if whether you're cuddling up next to the fireplace with 676 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: a glass of scotch or you're on a hammock on 677 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: a warm day, reading about what these guys went through, 678 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: you'd be like, at least I don't have to go 679 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: through that. So Endurance is the book, and they just 680 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: found the ship. It's actually well preserved. I've never recommended 681 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: this book to anyone. Clay who wasn't like, that's a 682 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: great read. I need to read it. You were talking 683 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: to me with talking about it off air with me, 684 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: and I also love reading those books because to your point, 685 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: you're hanging out by your fireplace or you're in a hammock, 686 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: it just brings home how small. And this is why 687 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 1: I think studying history is so significant in many ways, 688 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: because it brings home how frequently we get obsessed with 689 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: relatively small challenges when we've overcome massive challenges as a country. Yeah, 690 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: imagine trying to chase an elephant seal with a harpoon 691 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: across an ice flow. It's month four and you've dropped 692 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: thirty pounds? Arebaty? You know what I mean? Like, that's 693 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: a tough day. Yeah, it's a little bit tougher than 694 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: some of the challenges that we are told every day 695 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: are overwhelming in this country. My iPhone, my iPhone freezes, 696 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: Clay and I have a panic attack. It freezes for 697 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 1: five seconds, and it's five seconds of hell yeah when 698 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: we come back. By the way, speaking of historical analogies, 699 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: we've talked some about Zelinsky and the impact that he 700 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: has had as the figurehead of resistance in Ukraine. He 701 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: spoke to the British Parliament and specifically tried to make 702 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: himself Winston Churchill. What do we think of those historical 703 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: analogies and what is his overall importance to the resistance 704 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: as we go forward. We'll talk about it coming up 705 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: in the next hour.