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Speaker 1: We've reached the end of the off season program. Mini

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Speaker 1: camp is complete. It's time for another media round table.

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Speaker 1: I'm JP Shadrick and our special guests today are some

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Speaker 1: familiar faces around here. John Oser, Jaguars dot Com. Hi John,

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Speaker 1: how are you? I feel like I haven't seen you

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Speaker 1: in minutes? Yeah, just just a few minutes. Frank Franzie

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Speaker 1: tent ten x Elvoys of the Jaguars. What's up, Frank? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be here, especially because Osier is here

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Speaker 1: in art and the most special guests you haven't even

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Speaker 1: introduced yet, and that's why I'm excited. The columnists from

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Speaker 1: the Times Union, the legendary Geane for not. I feel

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Speaker 1: like this meeting is circa nine, and the Times Union.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have lunch in the river room after this

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Speaker 1: was I might not get a worded on this podcast

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Speaker 1: of these three today, let's start a big picture here,

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Speaker 1: Jaguars at the end of the off season program, five

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Speaker 1: weeks away coming up. What's the most promising thing you

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Speaker 1: be a positive season for the Jaguars. Do you know,

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Speaker 1: anything stand out to you. Well, the number one thing

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Speaker 1: that that stands out to me is when I'm watching

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Speaker 1: ball is not on the ground as much. That's that's

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Speaker 1: the one thing that stood out to me. I mean,

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Speaker 1: with the exception of the of Nick Foles. First o

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Speaker 1: and he had a very shaky seven on seven period

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Speaker 1: I think you know that's that's a that's an encouraging sign.

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Speaker 1: The accuracy and particularly the accuracy throwing the ball down

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Speaker 1: the field. He's the story JP, just the president president.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but we've watched, we've all been around the

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Speaker 1: NFL more every year, more than the last year, quarterback

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Speaker 1: matters more. You don't think he will, And then the

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Speaker 1: next year it matters even more and even more. And

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Speaker 1: there's a presence about the guy. It's the way he's

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Speaker 1: but we see we go to every practice, he's talking

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Speaker 1: there's a presence. Leadership is an overused word and overused cliche,

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Speaker 1: and I get it, But don't you sense that just

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Speaker 1: being around watching them out there? I said all along,

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Speaker 1: from what we've seen we would expect just that sort

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Speaker 1: field position game. This is a game where if his

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Speaker 1: I said that all along that we talked and talked

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Speaker 1: playing from a head, Because this offense never got ahead

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Speaker 1: when the offense is ahead JP I, so to me,

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Speaker 1: I think Nick Foles will greatly improved the Jaguars defense, right,

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Speaker 1: and then it's not supposed work that way, but he

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Speaker 1: will greatly improve the defense. Well. The other thing that

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Speaker 1: Jean for Net from The Times Union, John os or

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Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com. Frank Franzie from Tintin x L. We

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Speaker 1: flip it around now. The greatest concern for this football

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars concern right now? Frank? Where do you want

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Speaker 1: I'd throw a big umbrella over that, JP. Will the

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's the maturity thing here nearly as

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Speaker 1: They'll redo that option because they'll have to. It's what

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