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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcoin Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: I had a column in the New York Post yesterday

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Speaker 1: on a topic you've heard me cover on here, a

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Speaker 1: lot friendship. The hook was a study published last week

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Speaker 1: in the UK's Nature Medicine Journal. It found, and none

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Speaker 1: of this is a surprise, people with stronger social interactions

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Speaker 1: live longer than those without living with a partner. For example,

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Speaker 1: is as good for physical health as regular exercise. That's

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Speaker 1: what researchers found, and having non related friends to confide

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Speaker 1: in also extend lifespan. We need each other. Nothing surprising.

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Speaker 1: We've been hearing for years now how bad loneliness is

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Speaker 1: for our health. A US Surgeon General's report from twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three found it is just as dangerous as smoking,

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Speaker 1: associated with a greater risk of cardiovascular disease, dementia, stroke, depression, anxiety,

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Speaker 1: and premature death. While upwards of sixty percent of Americans

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Speaker 1: feel lonely on a regular basis. So it's good for

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Speaker 1: us to have friends and maintain those friendships. So why

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Speaker 1: don't we do it? The answer is it's easier not to,

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Speaker 1: and I have a lot of data and the piece

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Speaker 1: and again You might have heard some of it on

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Speaker 1: the show before, about the collapse of friendships. How we

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Speaker 1: used to have six close friends and now many people

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Speaker 1: have zero. It's easier not to have friends, and that's unfortunate.

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Speaker 1: It's like eating vegetables. You have to do something, you

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Speaker 1: have to participate in some way, and it's hard. We

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Speaker 1: know we're supposed to do it, but you know, tired,

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Speaker 1: exhausted from the day, just not wanting to interact with anyone.

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Speaker 1: So what needs to happen Because a lot of people

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Speaker 1: do end up eating their vegetables and going to the

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Speaker 1: gym and doing all the things you're supposed to do

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Speaker 1: for better life living, maybe not all the time. So

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Speaker 1: why aren't we maintaining this other part of our lives

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Speaker 1: that is also good for us? Maybe friendship needs to

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Speaker 1: be part of that life hacking with the kids that

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Speaker 1: are all into you, wake up early, make your bed,

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Speaker 1: text a friend, to make plans. We have to see

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Speaker 1: it as part of taking care of ourselves and something

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Speaker 1: good that we do to make ourselves feel better in

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Speaker 1: the short term and the long term. I get that

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Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard for me, and I plan to

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Speaker 1: put this in action as much as possible. If you

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Speaker 1: end up putting it in practice, drop me a line

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Speaker 1: and let me know. Thanks for listening. Coming up my

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Speaker 1: interview with Kevin Walsh. But first, after more than a

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My

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Speaker 2: guest today is Kevin Walsh. Kevin runs this amazing website

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Speaker 2: called Forgotten new York and he has two books, Forgotten

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Speaker 2: new York and Forgotten Queens. Hi, Kevin, So nice to

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Speaker 3: I know it, Carol, It's good to see you.

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Speaker 2: So We've known each other a long time, mostly on

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Speaker 2: the Internet, and I've always loved the work that you do,

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Speaker 2: kind of preserving memories of the old New York. How

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Speaker 4: Well, Forgotten new York has many mothers and many fathers.

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Speaker 4: Back in nineteen sixty two, I know it makes me

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Speaker 4: sound very old, lap sixty seven. Now, I started Forgotten

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Speaker 4: It's twenty fifth year in existence. Well, back in nineteen

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Speaker 4: new ones. Now, these were the old cast iron lampposts

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Speaker 4: I was fascinated by this. I didn't understand why I was.

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Speaker 4: And then they built the Arizona Bridge across the street

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Speaker 4: They built this huge trench, and they put the Go

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Speaker 4: and I was fascinated by all this. I watched them

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Speaker 4: and some of that has shown up on Forgotten New

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Speaker 4: It was in November of nineteen sixty four. A few

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Speaker 4: years later, in nineteen sixty eight, my father, mother and

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Speaker 4: I were on a trip, went on a long subway

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Speaker 4: My father was a big proponent of tape recording, and

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Speaker 4: And I was just fascinated with this stuff, and you

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Speaker 4: I got into the printed words. I've had just about

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Speaker 4: I've I've done an author, yes, But at first I

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Speaker 4: this congealed in my brain in nineteen ninety eight. This

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Speaker 4: a couple we call publishers Publishers clearing House, which was

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Speaker 4: and I just sketched out in that office what I

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Speaker 4: to be, what was going to link to what? And

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Speaker 4: with my camera all over New York City photographing hundreds

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Speaker 4: because I wanted The most frustrating thing in the world

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Speaker 2: Kids these days don't know about that. Websites used to

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Speaker 2: be under construction. Yeah, so you know, it seems like

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Speaker 2: kind of an esoteric thing to collect pictures of kind

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Speaker 3: And that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: But you have quite a big following. Does that surprise

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Speaker 4: I am very gratified for the following I have gotten.

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Speaker 4: In the early days Forgotten York, there was about five

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Speaker 4: I was published in the New York Times, in the

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Speaker 4: by a lot of by comparison to places like Athamister

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Speaker 2: But for daily news, you can't you can't compare yourself

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I also my interest in doing the site

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Speaker 4: to several publishers. I was contacted by a guy named

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Speaker 4: for three seconds and I said, yes, I will. But

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Speaker 4: my motive is in writing, is in writing a guide

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Speaker 4: that doesn't talk about what the other guide books talk about.

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Speaker 4: it's well covered. I wanted to talk about New York

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I looked up everywhere I've lived. I really

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Speaker 4: what I do with Forgotten New York. I will I

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Speaker 3: I do Forgotten New York. Why do I do it? Parsonally?

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Speaker 4: You do it shows I enjoy its architecture, I enjoy

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna sound very selfish here. My mostly what

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Speaker 2: That's seven hours. Like I have a hard time imagining

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Speaker 2: What advice would you give your sixteen year old self.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I'm gonna be a little negative about myself here.

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Speaker 2: you just got to it a little bit later. You

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Speaker 4: Well, maybe there's pros and cons about it, you know,

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Speaker 3: I never know how they pronounce it, Marky or Marcus.

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Speaker 4: Who's who read a lot of biographies of people and

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Speaker 4: That's what I when I see a great deal of

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Speaker 4: they knew what they wanted from a very early age.

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Speaker 4: Now I see what they do and I most of it.

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Speaker 4: I say to myself, why on earth would you want

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, right. A lot of the dreams don't

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Speaker 3: It's yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've loved this conversation. I love the work you do.

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Speaker 2: It Forgotten New York. It's just really wonderful. And I

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Speaker 2: advise everybody to go check it out, buy the books,

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Speaker 2: check out the website. Leave us here with your best

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Speaker 2: tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.

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Speaker 4: Next time you're worried about something, Next time you're laying

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Speaker 4: going on, you're worried about something. Remember you were born

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Speaker 4: in the well in your case, Caroline, in your case,

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Speaker 4: you arrive in the United States of America, you know,

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Speaker 4: and all that comes, everything that comes with it. Enjoy

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Speaker 4: your opportunities and enjoy the things that interest you the most.

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Speaker 4: And that's what I've done. You know, I've never made

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Speaker 4: a lot of money doing what I do. I'm you know,

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Speaker 4: printing the print world doesn't pay a lot, doesn't you know? What?

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Speaker 3: When when when?

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Speaker 4: When the mistake is made, the copy editor and the

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Speaker 4: proof readers on the firing line. You know, I'm not

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Speaker 4: gonna I'm not gonna harp on that. But do what

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Speaker 4: you enjoy doing the most. And that's what I enjoy doing.

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Speaker 4: You know, I enjoyed the print world. I enjoy the

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Speaker 3: If it makes you happy.

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Speaker 2: To do, love it. He is Kevin Walsh. His website

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Speaker 2: has Forgotten New York. Check out his two books, Forgotten

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Speaker 2: new York and Forgotten Queens.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much, Kevin, Carol, it's been a pleasure, and

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Speaker 4: let's do this again, maybe my thirtieth anniversary years.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks so much for joining us on the

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Speaker 1: Carol Marko which show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.