1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Hey, it's fifty cent and I'm Charlie Webster. I know 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: so many of you loved the first season of Surviving 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: l Chapo, the twins who brought down a drug lord, 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: and have been patiently waiting for season two. 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: Don't worry, we got you. Season two starts next week. 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: We got the Real Deal. This is the story of 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: identical twins Jay and Peter Flores speaking to us publicly 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: for the first time, and their wives Foul and Bed. 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: The Floreest twins became the biggest drug draft beckers in 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: North America at twenty three, but they wanted to break 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 2: the cycle and give their children a better life, a 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: chance they never had went away from crime. The only 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: way out was to turn themselves into the US government 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: and cooperate against the biggest drug lord of all time, 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: a man who they saw is family the real Deal, 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: Joaquin Guzman laretam El Chapo. 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: The consequences of their decision start to unravel more than 18 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: they ever could have imagined. Since we've been making this 19 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: production for the last two years, this has played out 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: in real time, as you'll soon start to find out 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: in season two. Back in season one, right in the 22 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: middle of recording in the safe house, the wives lawyers 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: called with some devastating news. It was the call that 24 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: changed everything once again for the Flores's family. Now Valenvieve 25 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: find themselves heading to prison, fifteen years after their husbands 26 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: first turned themselves in. In season two, we will bring 27 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: you up to date with the story of the Flora's 28 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: family from the moment they were brought in by US authorities, 29 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: went face to face with El Chapo in the courtroom, 30 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: all the way up to present day. Stay tuned to 31 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: discover if the Flores's family still feels the Twins did 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: the right thing, weather they feel it was all worth it. 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: Season two begins exactly where we left off, So here's 34 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: a short recap of everything that happened on the last 35 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: season of Surviving l Chapo. The Twin two brought down 36 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: a drug lord. 37 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 3: Our introduction to the drug business started at a seven 38 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: years old when dad came home from prison. 39 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 4: How long was he in prison? Some news? It was 40 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 4: an earning experience. 41 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 3: I don't even think we thought marijuana was like a 42 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: bad thing, right. It was like as soon as he 43 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 3: got home and he was like. 44 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 4: A back ay. 45 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: Our own was raided by the Chicago Police Department my 46 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: older brother took a blame the first time. The second 47 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 3: time they came, they're the ones there to take the 48 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 3: blame for him. When my dad wasn't the run, my 49 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 3: other brother he would sell cocaine out the house. 50 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 4: We started meeting our kinds of people. 51 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 3: You know, in his business he sold like a lot 52 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 3: two kilos an apartment and he was arrested by that 53 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: DEA and that loft us in our situation that we 54 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 3: depended on him, you know, he was our provider. Not 55 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 3: too long after that when we first got approached by 56 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: his connect as drug supplier with the opportunity to to 57 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: get into business. I'm sixteen years old, some two years old, 58 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 3: and you know there's ten thousand dollars worth of bills 59 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: on the table. I mean, working in Walmart wasn't going 60 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: to cover that. 61 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 4: Three months into. 62 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: Our drug checking career, we're making a million dollars. 63 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: At seventeen, Jay and Pete had made a million dollars 64 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: in cash. By twenty three, the twins were the biggest 65 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: drug traffick is in North America. 66 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: My brother that we probably easily pushed over one hundred 67 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: and thirty one hundred and forty tons since nineteen ninety eight. 68 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 4: February ninety two, thousand and four, and here my phone 69 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 4: started ringing, ringing, the ring. 70 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: I remember answering my phone and there's my sibs and 71 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: she's like, pee. 72 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 4: They're in the houses. 73 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: They're in everyone's house, defensident. 74 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 4: They're looking for you, they're looking for don't go on. 75 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: Is there everywhere? 76 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 4: And I remember that panic hit. There's a word out 77 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 4: for our rest. There's an a pendent in Dinatman out 78 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 4: of Milwaukee. There's search wards. That's not good. 79 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 3: Remember crossing the bording and just fiting some relea to 80 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 3: have crossed that border. 81 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 4: Get to Mexico. It's about Jay, my older brother and 82 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 4: his wife. They can take me up. 83 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 3: We're like, it's just so happy to see tell them like, okay, 84 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: we made it out. You know. 85 00:04:58,520 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 4: It's of mets. 86 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: And little by little I was going to kind of 87 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: fade out and stop doing that, like stopped selling drugs, 88 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 3: and did the opposite. 89 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 4: It happen. Yeah. 90 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: The brothers fled to Mexico as fugitives with their wives 91 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: Ball and Viv, and despite not being on the ground, 92 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: their drug business just continued to boom. Pete's wife, Viv 93 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: explains that things got more and more chaotic. 94 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 5: It was just so much going on, so many different 95 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 5: people coming in and out of the house, different cars, 96 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 5: Jane with his one hundred phones, few with his I mean, 97 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 5: it was just overwhelming. 98 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: And then Pete was kidnapped in Mexico. 99 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 4: My older brother club. He said, Bro, they just called. 100 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: They said that they have Peter Kinner and they were 101 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 4: them up. 102 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 3: They walked me to a small room like a sun 103 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 3: and there's no windows in there. 104 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,559 Speaker 4: They have a bed in there. I was just happy, 105 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 4: still alive. So I get another con from somewhere else. 106 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 4: He said, we're calling. We have your brother. 107 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: You guys a chapel temperate eat. 108 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 4: My best friend Tommy, I call him right away. 109 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: When I told Tommy that chapel has Peter, He's like, 110 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: let's go to Coli. 111 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 4: We're gonna get your brother back. We arrived to this. 112 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 3: Like farm, but there's planes, a bunch of small assessments. 113 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 4: We start walking. 114 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 3: There's the pilot's this holl skinny kid wearing flipflops. He 115 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: has to be sixteen years old. And he like opens 116 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: the door and I'm like, this is not right. And 117 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 3: I sat there like, oh my god. And as we're 118 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: kind of. 119 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 4: On the plane. 120 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 3: We're going to big peaks like the plane, I feel 121 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 3: like something there's the tree are going to just like 122 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 3: rub the belly of the plane. 123 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 4: And it was this big mountain. 124 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 3: Were king of heading towards end. And now I'm really 125 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: really scared. I'm like, what the he lands, I'm kind 126 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: of getting off. Everyone's just looking at me. We come 127 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: up the stairs and realize it's a big old it's huge. 128 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: There's tables. I see that there's like these picnic tables. 129 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: There's a bunch of newspapers and if someone have to 130 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: pull the face in the front of it. And I 131 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: looked and I could see his hat and coming up 132 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: so slowly. Then I see him. 133 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 4: He looks at me and he. 134 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: Couldn't gives a second take, reaches out his side and 135 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: he like, kingman, I tell my name, are the real 136 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 3: Florestan the florest. 137 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 4: He's kind of stairs. 138 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm kind of trying to give me back 139 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: my hand a little bit, and and so how could 140 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 3: I help you? 141 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,679 Speaker 4: And said, well, look, I'm here because they killed my brother. 142 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: I don't owe that money, and I'm here to see 143 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: if I could work something that's for my brother. Well, 144 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: he said, I'm sorry to say, but that money's old 145 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: to me and I'm not going to forgive that then. 146 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 3: And he said, there's no money that's worth losing your brother. 147 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: I just lost my and I would pay whatever it 148 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 3: is to just get my brother back. And then when 149 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: you come back, we could do business. You could come 150 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: work for me. I could give you drugs. We could 151 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: keep making money together. So I started collecting money, started 152 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: making payments. The next day, I get a call early 153 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: no morning. So he says, hey, listen, your brother's not well. 154 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 3: And he said, and everything that. 155 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 6: You know I had known of you, it seems like 156 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 6: you're you're a man of your word, and that that 157 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 6: says a lot. I don't give me your word that 158 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 6: you're going to pay me back my money and. 159 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 4: I'll let your gotta like I'm let me get up 160 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 4: the truck and kiss. I was like, that was gonna die. 161 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 4: And he was like, what happened? And I was like, 162 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 4: I'm at chapel. 163 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: The meeting with l Chapo to free Peete is ultimately 164 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: what led to the twins becoming part of the Cineloa 165 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: cartel family. This is what changed everything. As Jay's wife 166 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: Val describes. 167 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 7: Their life, changed drastically over night, and there was just 168 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 7: so many new people around. 169 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: Us, and who's going to protect us better than the 170 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: biggest drug lords in the world. They welcomed us in 171 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: with open arms, and the mecca of drug lords in 172 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 3: present time, the drug lords that we know about it 173 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: Chapel Mile. At that time, we were important to them. 174 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: We had access to more drugs than anyone else because 175 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 3: of who we were as in our personalities, how we 176 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: carried ourselves. 177 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 4: I think there was a turning point. 178 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: We're at the table with the biggest drug lords and 179 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 3: they love us, and. 180 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 4: With that comes power and protect power. 181 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 3: And protection and celebrations and a life that no one 182 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: could have dreamed of. 183 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: But the life at the top of the drug game 184 00:10:58,640 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: isn't always cracked up to be. 185 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 3: We were at the top right things are getting taken 186 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 3: for me, not just that I was going through hardships, 187 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: that was maturing. I was under starting to understand like 188 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 3: the destruction and everything that was doing to me, to 189 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 3: a family, and trying to understand that what we were 190 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 3: doing wasn't the right thing to do. And we could 191 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: sit there all the time and say, oh, yeah, well 192 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: I don't hurt anyone. I don't kill anyone that didn't matter. 193 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 3: I was watching thing this documentary came out about John 194 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 3: Gotti in the mo film. It just said that, you know, 195 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 3: Sammy the boy had received five years for nineteen murders 196 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 3: first corporation against John Gotty, and I remember thinking to myself, Wow, 197 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 3: you got five years recovering against John Gotty. In my head, 198 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 3: I was like, who the fuck is John Gotti? The 199 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 3: people we were dealing with. I felt like it was 200 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 3: living John Gotti's whole life. Each day I woke up 201 00:11:58,440 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: in the middle of the night and I do call 202 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: it in epiphany. 203 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 4: It was this moment of just charity. I could cooperate. 204 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 3: I think we would have to do some prison time, 205 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: but we'll have a chance to change your life. Sitting 206 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: at home and thinking about it and thinking about really 207 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 3: just wanting a way out, just one way, wanting a 208 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: way to just be there for my family, kill him 209 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: a different way of life. 210 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 4: I wanted the life. 211 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: The only way out was to cooperate against the man 212 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: they now saw his family Joaquin Guzman Luera El Chapo. 213 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: But first Jay had to convince his brother. 214 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 4: Peter, who shows up him in vir shop. 215 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: Hey, I said, come in the wash come in the bathroom, 216 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: and at that time, we have a really huge shower. 217 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 3: I was like a twelve people showers and we have 218 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: all these jets and it's like, I don't know, sixteen 219 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: shower heads. But when the shower heads were going, you 220 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: couldn't hear anything. I turned on the shower. I said, listen, 221 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 3: if we know, we could give them anyone they want, 222 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: and if you know, saving a bullcot five years for 223 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: nineteen murder thro a corporate turn got whooping a good situation. 224 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: So I'm just thinking that worst case that we could 225 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 3: get ten years. I don't think none of us want 226 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 3: the life that's coming for us, and I think that 227 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 3: this will be our chance for us to change our 228 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 3: life into something different. But we're gonna have to sacrifice. 229 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 3: I said, when we need to talk to our turney 230 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 3: and how we're going to do that. And I was like, 231 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 3: me and my brother Post looked. 232 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 4: About the attorney. 233 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 7: When I flew into Chicago, I went to his office 234 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 7: to go see him, and I just sat down in 235 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 7: his office and I'm like, listen, this is really important. 236 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 7: You can't say anything to anyone, I said, Jay and Peter, 237 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 7: they're thinking about cooperating with the US government, and we're 238 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 7: gonna need your help. 239 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 3: The first told me that he actually was able to 240 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 3: reach out to an agent and he said, I'm gonna 241 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 3: put you on the phone. His thing was Sam Chanelli, 242 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: and that's gonna be the first age we ever talked to. 243 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: He said, And I'm gonna talk to us a train's office. 244 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 3: I gotta talk to people higher ups and see how 245 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 3: we could do this. You guys are doing the right thing. 246 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: You're coming on to the good site. Right before we 247 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 3: hung up, he said, welcome to Tim, and say welcome 248 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 3: to Tam and say. 249 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 4: That hurt. 250 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 3: I was like Team USA, and I kind of made 251 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: me think like what team might have And I felt 252 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 3: like that was the biggest moment where I felt like 253 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 3: a trader, like right, they're just talking to them. And 254 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 3: I said, look, man, I'm looking to make a deal, 255 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: but I'm looking to make the that's still you ever made. 256 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: He said, I got three people for you, and I 257 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 3: told him again, I got chap of mine. 258 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 4: I thought the tub he tells. 259 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: Me, the only thing I can tell you is that, 260 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 3: but it would be the most valuable thing you could 261 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 3: do is start if you can documenting some of these conversations. 262 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 3: So I went to radio shop and bought a bunch 263 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 3: of recording device. 264 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 4: I'm meeting the facts. 265 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 3: We kind of get into the conversations. I remember the 266 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 3: first thing that I talked to him about was like, look, 267 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 3: I have I have a lot of information for you guys, 268 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 3: but I need to be reassured. 269 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 4: I need to know that I want. 270 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 3: I wanna promise that that no harmon's gonna be come 271 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: to my family, that you're gonna promise it keep them safe, 272 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: and that then nobody in my family will be prosecuted 273 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 3: for any of the crimes related to my drug trafficking. 274 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 3: And it was like, do you think we would give 275 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: a fuck about your family? What we need is a 276 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: solid case and Chop it was my and we could 277 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 3: get him with a recording that leads back to a 278 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 3: drug seizure. And she got don't I promise you the 279 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: best deal? You can imagine? Like, you get the best 280 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 3: you know the government has ever given up? 281 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 4: And I was like, that's it. 282 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 3: I was so nervous now, of course, to me the recording, 283 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: but what was to come? 284 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 4: What did this mean for my life? 285 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 3: Like it was an ugly feeling, you know, getting the 286 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 3: recorder and the only thing offense had killed me like 287 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 3: a ear piece with a microphone on. You know, when 288 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: you put the phone into your ear, you can hear 289 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: it and then they can record. 290 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 4: I remember putting into my. 291 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 3: Ear and like the secretary answered, I'm like, oh, it's 292 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 3: the twin and I'm like, I don't even know what 293 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: to say. I remember I'm saying Amigo, like carrying his 294 00:16:45,840 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 3: voice again, kid casthology and did by to get over that. 295 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: That was like a big moment, and I remember thinking 296 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 3: that this is my ticket home. On two weeks after 297 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 3: the trup of recording and we get a car to Sunday. 298 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 3: Our attorney wants to talk to us. It's early, right, 299 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 3: and he said you although us attorney. 300 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 4: Wants to talk to you. He said, he wants you 301 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 4: guys to turn yourselves in today. Really just hit us, 302 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 4: huh what? 303 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 3: I then it wanted to say goodbye to It was 304 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 3: scary to think that, and I didn't like losing my family. 305 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 3: And every day we tumped in the truck two agents. 306 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 3: Did you guys mean the recorders? 307 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 8: Yes? 308 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 3: And we were emotion it's okay, guys, you they're doing 309 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 3: the right thing. And they started driving towards the airport. 310 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 3: Didn't he come for a flat. 311 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: The twins were put on a private plane and escorted 312 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: out of the country by the FEDS. The rest of 313 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: the family were left to fend for themselves. Vall had 314 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: to step up to get the family out of Mexico alive. 315 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 8: When jamp left, he knew that there was just no 316 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 8: plan for us. It looked like this whole lake entourage, 317 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 8: and we had to drive two hours get to the border. 318 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 8: You got to pass through all these towels. You look 319 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 8: so fucking crazy, and it's the night, and we drove 320 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 8: through the whole night when it stopped, and we drive 321 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 8: up to the border and we get there and they 322 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 8: asked us for our papers, and I'm giving them my passport, 323 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 8: I'm giving them kids papers. I was like, the first 324 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 8: one ticket there and they're like, hold on, hold on, 325 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 8: everyone gotta wait. 326 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 4: I was like, no, we can't wait. We gotta go in. 327 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 8: And I'm like they're gonna kill us. They're gonna fucking 328 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 8: kill us. 329 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 9: I said, we have to get out of the country. 330 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 4: We have to get. 331 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 9: Back to the US or US citizens. And at that 332 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 9: point I knew, I just knew this was our life. 333 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 9: It didn't matter whatever. Champeded and co operated. I knew 334 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 9: at that point that they were gonna always look at 335 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 9: us like criminals. 336 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 8: I knew it, and I just I felt like he 337 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 8: needs such a huge mistake. 338 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 3: They're right, took the last step and I just like 339 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 3: stretching out my legs a little bit and my brother 340 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 3: gets it's behind me and he's like okay, and they're like, 341 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: all right, Turnron, it's excuse me, he said, Turnron put 342 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 3: trying to wreck and it hit. 343 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 10: Me and get put the heckus. That was where like 344 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 10: my brother and I looked at us like this is 345 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 10: this is our life? Ban no and cussed the shackles. 346 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 10: Just keep telling ourselves that we're doing the right thing. 347 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 10: We end up flying into small airport right out north 348 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 10: of Chicago. I remember when the plane landed, we looking 349 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 10: out the window and I just saw nothing but police 350 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 10: slights and. 351 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 4: Lots of. 352 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 3: The taxi and when the door opens, it's cold. I 353 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 3: remember stepping a foot outside of the airplane and standing there, I. 354 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 4: Just see the sea of like blue jackets like the e. 355 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: A US Marshalls, And when I saw the cards and 356 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 3: like all the agents in marshals, just like staring at us. 357 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 4: I think cause the first time I ever felt like 358 00:20:59,400 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 4: Holy shit. 359 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: Deep Vanierra. Season two starts once did a fourth. 360 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: Or backtop, surviving El Chapo, The Twins Who Brought Down 361 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: a Drug Lord. Season two is hosted by Curtis fifty 362 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: cent Jackson and me Charlie Webster. Produced by myself and 363 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: Jackson McLennan, Assistant producer and research support by Casey Hurtz, 364 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: Edit and sound design by Nico Polella. Theme music and 365 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: original score by Ryan Sorenson. It's executive produced by Curtis 366 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: fifty cent Jackson and Me Charlie Webster. Curtis fifty cent 367 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 1: Jackson presents a Lionsgate Sound and G Unit audio production 368 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: exclusively for iHeart Podcasts.