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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Hello and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Holly Fry and I'm Tracy Vie Wilson. Happy Friday,

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday, Welcome to casual Fridays. What Stuff you missed

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Speaker 1: in History Class. One of the things we talked about

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Speaker 1: this week was Thomas Dorsey. Um, just as you had

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Speaker 1: been talking about the obvious nous for you of of

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Speaker 1: doing an episode on James Baldwin recently, Thomas Dorsey kind

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Speaker 1: of fit the same bill for me because, um, he

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Speaker 1: touched so many pieces of black history that we have

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Speaker 1: talked about on the show, and also ultimately his story

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Speaker 1: and his legacy is very uplifting. UM. I mentioned on

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Speaker 1: in the episode that I had heard a band play

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Speaker 1: It's Tight like that in New Orleans. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I said that was the song it it was, uh,

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Speaker 1: and that I had asked the bandleader about it afterwards,

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Speaker 1: and that's how I started, uh, you know, thinking about him.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you did say the song, But as

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Speaker 1: you were telling that story, I was kind of like,

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Speaker 1: I wonder if this happened in New Orleans, just because

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Speaker 1: I remember I don't know if this was on the

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Speaker 1: same trip when you and I were both in New

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Speaker 1: Orleans together, but there was just a lot of music

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Speaker 1: happening while we were there. There always is, that's New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't. It was on a subsequent trip that I

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Speaker 1: went on with a bunch of friends of mine from childhood,

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Speaker 1: So it was about a year ago, a little over

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Speaker 1: a year ago. And it's funny because that song to

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Speaker 1: a modern ear, the lyrics do not sound all that saucy.

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Speaker 1: But at the time, and with the knowledge of the

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Speaker 1: double ententgres in play, I mean, there were people that

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Speaker 1: were like, this is raunchy. How can you claim that

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Speaker 1: you are a man of God and dedicated to sacred

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Speaker 1: music and also making money off of this? That song

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Speaker 1: sold more than seven million copies. Goodness, And there's a

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Speaker 1: reason it's very catchy, uh, And there's a reason that

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Speaker 1: musicians even love to play it today because it is really,

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Speaker 1: um it's a great song. The other thing that I

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Speaker 1: have been thinking about a lot as we do this,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of mentioned it at the top of

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Speaker 1: the episode, is that even people that are not especially

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Speaker 1: religious are often very very moved by this genre of music. Um,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to talk about a particular thing that

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Speaker 1: happens that if I hope it's still happening, but it

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Speaker 1: was one of my favorite, favorite favorite things in the world,

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Speaker 1: which is that when I used to run a lot

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Speaker 1: of half marathons, at the end of Disney's Princess Half Marathon,

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Speaker 1: when you are about probably two tenths of a mile

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Speaker 1: from the finish line and you are completely exhausted and

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Speaker 1: probably feel like garbage, you turn a corner and there

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Speaker 1: is a huge gospel acquire and if that doesn't like

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Speaker 1: power you through to the end, I don't know what's

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Speaker 1: going on with you, because it is amazing. It's so good,

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Speaker 1: and it's one of my favorite favorite experiences I have

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Speaker 1: ever had in my life, not just in running, not

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Speaker 1: just a Disney It's beautiful and I don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: particularly religious, but it is moving as all get out,

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Speaker 1: So I hope they're still doing it. I haven't run

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Speaker 1: that race in the last several years, but every year

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Speaker 1: I did it up to that point where I stopped,

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Speaker 1: they did it every time. And that choir also is

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Speaker 1: amazing because they're out there often in the heat in

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Speaker 1: Florida in full robes, singing their hearts out, or sometimes

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Speaker 1: on a rare year in the cold and singing their

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Speaker 1: hearts out. So it's really amazing. And if you are

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Speaker 1: a runner and you haven't experienced that, I hope you

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Speaker 1: get to because it is like it's a moment. It's

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Speaker 1: just an amazing moment. One of our episodes this week

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Speaker 1: was the interview with Dr Rachel Lance about her new book,

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Speaker 1: it's just a couple of months old as of when

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Speaker 1: this episode is coming out, called In the Waves, My

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Speaker 1: Quest to Solve the Mystery of a Civil War Submarine.

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Speaker 1: We talk about the books some in that interview, and

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Speaker 1: I mentioned that I really enjoyed reading it because it's

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Speaker 1: this fusion of the historical story and her research into

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Speaker 1: solving this mystery, UM, and also just the experience of

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Speaker 1: doing the research which UM. At this point, we have

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Speaker 1: solicited questions for a Q and a episode of the

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Speaker 1: show that we are going to do. That episode has

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Speaker 1: not come out yet, but one of the things that

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Speaker 1: people ask us about a lot that will probably be

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Speaker 1: talking about in that episode is like our own process, UM.

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Speaker 1: And so it was really interesting to me that she

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Speaker 1: really just documented what the experience of doing all this

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Speaker 1: work was like because that's clearly a thing that people

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Speaker 1: are curious about when it comes to any kind of

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Speaker 1: research and project like this. Yeah, yeah, it always cracks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a question we feeld a lot during live shows,

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Speaker 1: and I think in some ways it surprises people that

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Speaker 1: we handle it very differently as do most people. Right,

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Speaker 1: Like I I think there might be a supposition on

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Speaker 1: the part of some folks that like, there is a

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Speaker 1: way to research certain things, and really everybody can kind

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Speaker 1: of figure out the technique and approach that works best

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Speaker 1: for them. Yeah. One of the things that I also

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Speaker 1: really liked about this whole thing, um was the part

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Speaker 1: about how people who aren't, you know, folks that have

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Speaker 1: advanced degrees in history, can still do meaningful work that

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Speaker 1: is contributing to the field of history even though they

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Speaker 1: might be outsiders to that field in some ways. It's

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Speaker 1: been a while since this has happened, but I know that, uh, you,

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Speaker 1: you and I have occasionally been kind of tagged into

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Speaker 1: conversations on Twitter, um at academic conferences where people are

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Speaker 1: kind of bemoaning non history ends in quotation marks doing

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Speaker 1: history podcasts, when like, really, there's a whole broad field

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Speaker 1: of the things that people can contribute to history and

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Speaker 1: can contribute to talk about history and to understanding our

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Speaker 1: past a little better. Yeah, for what it's worth, that's

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Speaker 1: not um a scenario specific to history. Sure, sure there

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Speaker 1: are there are lots of debates like uh in film. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there are some people that think that like people that

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Speaker 1: don't make films shouldn't have podcasts that discuss film from

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Speaker 1: like a media analysis perspective. Yeah, you know, name any

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Speaker 1: any area of expertise or study that a person could have,

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Speaker 1: and there are always people that are like, only degreed

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Speaker 1: experts should talk about this. Yeah. I UM, when when

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Speaker 1: the pandemic was really starting to cause shutdowns all over

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Speaker 1: the country, I remember seeing m a Twitter thread where

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Speaker 1: somebody in the medical field, clearly frustrated by the pushback

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Speaker 1: that was happening from people like did not have medical

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Speaker 1: experience or medical degrees, said something like, name a field

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Speaker 1: besides medicine where people who have zero experience in zero

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Speaker 1: training think they know more than the doctors, And the

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Speaker 1: replies were just like everyone naming their own fields. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm super appreciative that, uh that Dr Lance took time

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Speaker 1: to sit down with us and just one more time

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Speaker 1: in case folks have been meaning to get a pen

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Speaker 1: and write it down. That book is called In the Waves,

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