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Speaker 2: Trump backs off, at least for now. His threats against

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Speaker 2: Iran as Neo CON's push for all out war more

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Speaker 2: signs that the oil market is totally and completely screwed

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Speaker 2: this time because of the entry of the Huthis into

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Speaker 2: the fight. Ukraine attacks Iran as they beg for World

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Speaker 3: ahead and start with Iran. As Crystal said, all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, everybody in Washington just woke up to stockpiles.

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Speaker 3: Not news to anybody who's been watching this show, but

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Speaker 3: of course mainstream media and all those people finally paying attention.

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Speaker 3: After many reports came out over the weekend, there have

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Speaker 3: been now three successive nights of no strikes on Iran.

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Speaker 3: There was apparently a major oval office or a situation

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Speaker 3: room confrontation in which the Vice President and the General

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Speaker 3: Chief Chairman of the Joint Che's Staff, General Dan Kine,

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Speaker 3: advised that critical munitions and stockpiles of interceptors in particular,

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Speaker 3: are running. Solow rationing was now in effect could explain

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Speaker 3: why many of those US forces were killed, and also

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Speaker 3: that if we were to reignite major combat operations, that

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Speaker 3: it would be even more critical, and that we could

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Speaker 3: potentially completely wipe out the entire stockpile that is used

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Speaker 3: in or held in reserve for other potential conflicts. Here

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Speaker 3: is Mike Waltz, the United States you ambassador to the

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Speaker 3: United Nations, is being pressed about this. The former National

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Speaker 3: Security Advisor He admits the stockpile issue, but also says

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Speaker 3: anybody who leaked that should go to jail.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. You've raised assets. I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you about the assets.

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Speaker 4: NBC News is reporting the Pentagon is actually rationing some

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Speaker 4: defense weaponry amid diminishing supplies. Is America backing away from

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Speaker 4: a larger military attack because its military stockpile has been depleted?

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Speaker 5: Well, look, we have to take a step back here

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Speaker 5: in that a lot of stockpiles were depleted, not only

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Speaker 5: from what we gave Ukraine over the last however many years,

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Speaker 5: four or five years, and the administration inherited the Secretary

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Speaker 5: Secretary Headseth inherited a depleted situation from not only Ukraine,

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Speaker 5: but also the ongoing fight with the hu Thi's under

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Speaker 5: the Biden administration and a depleted military under the Biden administration.

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Speaker 5: So they have decided one they're going to new types

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Speaker 5: of munitions, cheaper munitions, new technologies, but also with these

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Speaker 1: However, I want to be clear.

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Speaker 4: I want to acknowledge their deplete I want to be

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Speaker 1: I want to be crystal clear.

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Speaker 5: The US military and I've verified this every which way,

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Speaker 5: has everything that it needs to conduct this campaign as

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Speaker 1: Needs to be.

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Speaker 5: And I have to tell you that people that are

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Speaker 1: A lot going on there. Oh, it's all Biden's fault.

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Speaker 3: Blame Biden plenty on this show, talked a lot about

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Speaker 3: it over the last five years about stockpiles. But Biden

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Speaker 3: is not the person who fired twenty five percent of

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Speaker 3: the entire sad stockpiles.

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Speaker 2: Biden's fault. But also, there's no problem.

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Speaker 1: It's Biden's fault. There's no problem, There's no problem. And

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Speaker 1: I have the stat in front of me this.

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Speaker 3: I put this out on day two of the war,

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Speaker 3: which is in the twelve day War, the Operation Midnight Hammer,

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Speaker 3: the United States fired twenty five percent of the entire

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Speaker 3: global stockpile of thats just in twelve days, mostly to

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Speaker 3: defend ISRA. By the way, so who even wants to

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Speaker 3: know what the number is today? I wouldn't be surprised

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Speaker 3: if it was down to seventy five percent, not to

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Speaker 3: even mention all the patriots, all these other type of systems.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is a full fledged disaster as of now,

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Speaker 3: which explains why there was rationing in place, potentially why

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Speaker 3: bases have basically been abandoned as confirmed by satellite imagery

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up here on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Let's spend a lot of time here because there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of Washington games that are happening. So inside this

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Speaker 3: story is from Barack Revive. The headline may actually give

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Speaker 3: a mistaken impression. They say the top US military commander

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Speaker 3: in the Middle East advised halting horror moves bombing. But

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Speaker 3: to be extremely specific, what he said is that currently,

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Speaker 3: days or so, was that Trump was exclusively bombing targets

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Speaker 3: along the Strait of Hormoz. What Admiral Cooper is saying

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Speaker 3: here is that the effectiveness of bombing just the target

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Speaker 3: where it can no longer be effective, as in, we

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Speaker 3: have hit everything we can hit.

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Speaker 1: Now, keep that in mind.

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Speaker 3: If the admiral is saying we have hit everything that

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Speaker 3: is still able to fire, that means already it's been

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Speaker 3: a total military failure because everything is about degrading. No,

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Speaker 3: it's it's that even of a single person with you know,

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Speaker 3: enough to cause the insurers to cancel their policies to

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Speaker 3: disrupt traffic. That's why ultimately a diplomatic solution is the

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Speaker 1: You can listen to the.

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Speaker 3: Vice President's comments on this very matter on the Joe

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Speaker 3: buried within this and multiple other reports that are coming

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Speaker 3: out as of this morning, Admiral Cooper is advising that

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Speaker 3: they should continue to go forward and to bomb twenty

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Speaker 3: set from Operation Epic Fury from the major Combat operation earlier.

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Speaker 3: Admiral Cooper has also said he doesn't have as much

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Speaker 3: all of that, then I'm good. Now that's not his job.

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Speaker 3: So that's where the Washington game comes in. So let's

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Speaker 3: to look specifically at comments from General Dan Kine, who's

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Speaker 3: the chairman of the Joint Jesus Staff. His job is

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Speaker 3: at the entire picture, including China, Russia and Black Swan

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Speaker 3: that resuming major combat operations was doable, but quote would

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Speaker 3: dangerously deplete interceptors available, which is responsible not just in

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Speaker 3: raised and held significant We're both raised, held and pushed

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Speaker 3: by the Vice President, who also raised them in the

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Speaker 3: initial lead up to the war. So to explain again

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Speaker 3: very clearly, Admiral Cooper is still advocating for the resumption

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Speaker 1: Of this morning, is putting out this quote I heard,

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Speaker 3: But Cain is not the Only reason I'm spending time

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Speaker 3: on this is that Admiral Cooper, which I've heard now privately,

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Speaker 3: it as well, is that Admiral Cooper has been advised

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Speaker 3: by Mark Dubowitz over the financial the foundation for the

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Speaker 3: defensive democracies. He is absolutely taking a lot of counsel

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Speaker 3: from these neo cons very close apparently with his Israeli counterparts.

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Speaker 3: He is somebody who you know, quote wants to finish

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Speaker 3: one of the worst military defeats in modern history, you know,

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Speaker 3: I went back and checked dan Kine from this report

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Speaker 3: and then none of this has been denied. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Do you know how insane that is?

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Speaker 3: There is only one chairman in the last twenty five

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Speaker 3: So that is how extraordinary the current situation when the

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Speaker 3: general is like, no, we can't do this, sir, please

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Speaker 3: please don't make us do this. And reportedly he said

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Speaker 3: I also really want to caution people about this pause.

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Speaker 3: It could definite right now, there's a lot of deliberation.

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Speaker 3: And guess who's coming to town today BB All right,

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Speaker 3: so I wouldn't bet against him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is all well, and Zelensky is coming later

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Speaker 2: and we'll get to that. And how he also was

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Speaker 2: pushing an aggressive posture here as well well, has found

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Speaker 2: it to be advantageous for himself too. I mean, we

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Speaker 2: already know the truth of the matter. NBC News has

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Speaker 2: US military is letting some Iranian projectiles through its defenses.

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Speaker 2: We are already rationing, rationing this munition supply because we

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Speaker 2: do not have enough to protect everywhere, so we're prioritizing. Okay,

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Speaker 2: if this has headed and it could cause service member

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Speaker 2: We're already in that place. It's just insane to me,

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Speaker 2: like one point five trillion dollars that they're pushing for

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Speaker 2: so he spent time with the baby. And this is

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Speaker 2: the guy that you've.

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Speaker 3: Got Mike Wells IQ of approximately fifty here defending the

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Speaker 3: Iran warm also not saying refusing to commit that we

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Speaker 3: will be out by twenty twenty six. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people are very interested in the timeline

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Speaker 4: of this because President Trump had initially said that this

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Speaker 4: conflict would last for a matter of weeks, five to

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Speaker 4: six weeks. He said, we are now at the five

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Speaker 4: month mark. Will this war be over by the new year?

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Speaker 5: Well, first, this war has been going on for forty

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Speaker 5: seven years. These attacks on Americans not in this of course,

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Speaker 5: not necessarily this intensity.

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Speaker 1: But at some level, do.

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Speaker 4: You anticipate this conflict will be concluded by the new year?

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Speaker 5: Oh, I'm not going to put some kind of timeline

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Speaker 5: on it. The President has all options on the table,

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Speaker 5: and he is exercising both diplomatic, economic, and military to

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Speaker 5: achieve a very clear strategic game.

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Speaker 1: And that's what's different.

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Speaker 3: A few days, few weeks, few months, few years, been

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Speaker 3: here before, seen the movie.

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Speaker 1: It's not very good. Let's go to the next one.

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Speaker 1: This was from Trump.

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Speaker 3: He posted this yesterday strike on carg Ai. But I

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Speaker 3: think he posted like fifty Ai memes yesterday. If you

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Speaker 3: want to go and take a scroll of a.

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Speaker 2: Long mental illness, that's what that is.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, strike on carg at the very same time

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Speaker 3: that we're not even bombing. We also just want to

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Speaker 3: just give you all a little taste of the rhetoric

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Speaker 3: which we can also see from a lot of the

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Speaker 3: cheerleaders here of the war. Here is Ben Shapiro assuring

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Speaker 3: the president we we and we truly wonder Ben who

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Speaker 3: we is in this sentence, are okay with American casualties.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. I get why people are confused

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Speaker 1: and upset.

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Speaker 6: It feels like things are stalemated, that they're getting broader

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Speaker 6: and more difficult.

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Speaker 1: Why.

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Speaker 6: Well, because what the American people want is victory. There's

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Speaker 6: this bizarre notion in four policy that the American people

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Speaker 6: are deeply worried about the immediate cost of war to

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Speaker 6: the enemy, That the American people that we can't handle

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Speaker 6: the ugliness of war for even a day, that every

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Speaker 6: conflict has to be totally antiseptic. And here I'm not

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Speaker 6: even talking about the American willingness to undergo casualties. No

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Speaker 6: one in America wants American casualties. It's tragedy and a horror.

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Speaker 6: We do understand that war does come along with casualties,

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Speaker 6: and we are willing to undergo those casualties in pursuit

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Speaker 6: of an end and a victory for America. But as

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Speaker 6: far as the idea that, for example, America, we can't

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Speaker 6: hit Cargo Island because the Iranian people would then be

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Speaker 6: deprived of oil resources. The American people are, i should say,

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Speaker 6: not particularly concerned about that. We are far more concerned

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Speaker 6: with why we're there not winning. I think though we

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Speaker 6: actually ought to do is say an I for everything,

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Speaker 6: Like you touch a ship in the Strait of Hormuz

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Speaker 6: and we kill the head of the IERGC, we Killkhlibaf,

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Speaker 6: we kill your entire leadership class. Again, we destroy South

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Speaker 6: Pars and we strike hard one drone and that's what happens.

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Speaker 6: That is the way you win in the middle. By

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Speaker 6: the way, it's the way you win generally. We are

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Speaker 6: okay with it. I mean, this is this is what

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Speaker 6: they have come to. We're gonna show you a clip

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Speaker 6: here in a second.

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Speaker 3: Mark Tiessen, who by the way, huge cheerleader of the war,

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Speaker 3: very important figure in the war, who has been on

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Speaker 3: Fox News every single day urging action, used to it.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday he literally slipped up and said, President Boo Trump,

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Speaker 3: as in his old boss George W. Bush, it's like

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Speaker 3: a joke. It's like a sick joke that is being placed.

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Speaker 1: This is lot.

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Speaker 2: These psychos have to be drummed out of the public

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Speaker 2: square when I mean all the same people are cheerleading

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Speaker 2: for the Iraq War right back in the driver's sept

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Speaker 2: for this freaking things. Absolutely sick. I'm with you, truth

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Speaker 2: and recon we genuinely, genuinely, after all this is over.

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Speaker 2: But Wisha, hero, there is so much there. So first

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Speaker 2: of all, oh, we are willing to accept American Who

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Speaker 2: are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Who's we you are?

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Speaker 2: Why don't you go sign up? Go ahead, go over

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Speaker 2: the Middle East? They need recruits. I'm sure they'd love

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Speaker 2: to have you over there. So that's a number one.

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Speaker 2: Number two, he says this thing about like, oh, Americans

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Speaker 2: don't really care if the you know, if our enemy

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Speaker 2: suffers losses. I haven't heard anyone talking about, you know,

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Speaker 2: oh they'll be deprived of oil and gas if we

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Speaker 2: Bombcark Island. But I have heard a lot of Americans

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Speaker 2: who are utterly disgusted with the fact that we triple

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Speaker 2: tapped a little girls' school. Okay, I think we do

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Speaker 2: have actually some morals around this who are disgusted with

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Speaker 2: the fact that now it's just totally a daily occurrence

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Speaker 2: that Trump floats new war crimes. Let me bomb the bridges,

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Speaker 2: let me bomb the civilian infrastructure. Yeah, I think people

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Speaker 2: are disgusted with that, and they are thoroughly disgusted with

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Speaker 2: what we've been complicit in in Gaza, seeing the largest

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Speaker 2: population of child amputees, seeing entire cities that are now

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Speaker 2: no more remember when all lives were on rafa. Look

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Speaker 2: at how much the politics on Israel have changed because

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Speaker 2: of the horror of what we did with our tax dollars. So, actually, Ben,

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Speaker 2: maybe you don't care about those things, maybe you don't

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Speaker 2: have a moral core, but yes, I do think the

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Speaker 2: American people are deeply concerned with some sense of morality.

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Speaker 2: They would like to preserve some image of America being

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Speaker 2: a potentially positive force in the world, and through this

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Speaker 2: president and the last one that has been effectively taken

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Speaker 2: off of the table. It is so disgusting and so

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Speaker 2: and then the final thing he says there, oh, we

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Speaker 2: should kill their leadership class again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say, how many how many

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Speaker 3: assassinations that last time?

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Speaker 2: Guess what you traded one supreme leader who had a

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Speaker 2: fatwa against nuclear weapons for one who reportedly is much

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Speaker 2: more open to it. So congratulations on that. But his

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Speaker 2: strategy is the Israeli strategy. If you murder Goliboff, which

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Speaker 2: we already tried to do. By the way, we tried

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Speaker 2: to murder all these people. Who are you going to

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Speaker 2: negotiate with That then commits you to the war. It

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Speaker 2: means that there is no choice left on that there

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Speaker 2: is no negotiated option on the table, which is exactly

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Speaker 2: what he wants. That's what he wants. He wants to

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Speaker 2: get anyone reasonable that we could even theoretically have a

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Speaker 2: deal with. He wants them dead. So disgusting, deeply discussed.

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Speaker 3: And just the lecturing, the hectoring of the American people

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Speaker 3: for being unwilling.

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Speaker 1: To take casualties.

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Speaker 3: America is fine with taking casualties if we think it's

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Speaker 3: worth it.

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Speaker 1: It just hasn't been worth it since World well too, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: genuely think about it.

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe Korea, I'm not not my opinion.

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Speaker 1: But most people supported it, at least at the time.

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Speaker 3: Since then, not really, And like that's the point is

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Speaker 3: everything is built on hectoring, on lecturing, on saying you're

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Speaker 3: not enough of a patriot, and then what they have

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Speaker 3: to do is to shape it so that we are

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Speaker 3: the failures and that we can we can. We are

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Speaker 3: the failures, not the leaders who were elected literally on

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Speaker 3: a specific promise of no New Wars.

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Speaker 1: Like, that's the crazy part about it.

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Speaker 3: The person who literally ran on a no New Wars platform,

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Speaker 3: whose advisors I mean, Jad literally wrote the op ed

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Speaker 3: wym endorsing Trump his best legacy is no New Wars.

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Speaker 3: Stephen Miller, I mean, I'm pretty sure said Kamala will

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Speaker 3: send your sons to war and would be a neocon,

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Speaker 3: you know, neo kon warmongering hawk who would start a

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Speaker 3: war with Iran. And then you come around and you

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Speaker 3: do something which honestly is worse than anything Biden is.

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Speaker 3: I don't even think Liz Chaining all these other psychos

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Speaker 3: would have maybe oh okay, I won't.

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Speaker 1: Go that off. I wanted to give some people a

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Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 3: But at the very least, like what we can see

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Speaker 3: here is this grappling and shaping of Fox News to

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Speaker 3: explicitly be a place to lecture the base and to

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Speaker 3: force them to spread it to all of us that

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Speaker 3: any of us who criticize war are unpatriotic, are fools,

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Speaker 3: that we are selfish for not wanting to pay four

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Speaker 3: dollars in gasoline. You know, the vice president is like

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Speaker 3: their chief opponent. But there's plenty more lecturing going on,

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: If you look at the end result of our Libya

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Speaker 7: policy after Gaddafi was killed lybya basically turned into a

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Speaker 7: failed state. You had a refugee crisis, You had a

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Speaker 7: lot of violence, a lot of terrorism come from that.

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Speaker 7: How is it in the United States's interest to have

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Speaker 7: ninety four million desperate people flooding into Europe, flooding into

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Speaker 7: the United States to have, you know, sort of the

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Speaker 7: terrorists infrastructure that can get established when you fan tear

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Speaker 7: us all over the world. We've run this experiment before.

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Speaker 8: And Jadvance keeps putting up these straw men. He says, well,

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Speaker 8: the people who want President Trump to go back to war,

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Speaker 8: they want to send one hundred and fifty thousand troops,

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Speaker 8: and nobody's saying that. Nobody is saying that at all.

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Speaker 8: You don't have to turn to tear down straw man.

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Speaker 8: We've liberated four hundred million people during the Cold War

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Speaker 8: without a single boot on the ground.

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Speaker 3: Nobody is saying that. No, Mark, you actually are saying that.

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Speaker 3: And the reason why is what's your plan? When you

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Speaker 3: hear Shapiro, if that's your plan, that's actually the Libya

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Speaker 3: model that literally is the Libya model. If you want

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Speaker 3: to listen to Mark to the ultimate end state of

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Speaker 3: what he's actually advocating for regime change and continue dropping.

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Speaker 3: It is sacrificing the full might of the American Empire

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Speaker 3: literally for what so that we can open a strategic

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Speaker 3: waterway which was open on the.

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Speaker 1: Day that the war was launched. It is absolute madness.

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Speaker 3: And then pairrot here with sid Rosenberg, another you know,

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Speaker 3: ultra zionist neocon again on the Fox News air waves

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Speaker 3: delivering this lecture.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen.

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Speaker 9: It is inevitable that President Trump is going to have

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Speaker 9: to do what he doesn't want to do, which is

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Speaker 9: going there with this massive, all out attack. There's no

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Speaker 9: other way to stop this. There's another way to win

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Speaker 9: this war. So again, he's trying to do the best

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Speaker 9: he count. He's a very nice man. I love President Trump.

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Speaker 9: He doesn't want people to die, he really doesn't. Okay,

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Speaker 9: he's a nice man. But there's no other way to

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Speaker 9: end this. Once you start this. Midnight Hammer was great

637
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Speaker 9: at Victoria was great. Once you start this, there needs

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Speaker 9: to be a finish, and the only finish is complete

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Speaker 9: surrendered by the Iranians. I hate to say it, but

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Speaker 9: complete annihilation. Look, I'm not a parent of an army person,

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Speaker 9: a marine person, so I'm very sensitive to that, trust me.

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Speaker 9: But look, we have the army, we have marines for

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Speaker 9: a reason. They're not there to shake your hand at

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Speaker 9: the airport, Rachel, Okay, they're there for a reason.

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Speaker 10: Last night I checked.

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Speaker 9: We don't have a draft in this country. So these

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Speaker 9: courageous men and women know what exist. Actually what they're

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Speaker 9: signing up for. This is war.

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Speaker 3: This is war. That argument really galls me. They signed up,

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Speaker 3: they knew what was on the line. Maybe some of them,

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Speaker 3: like Isabella Gonzales or first of all, let's we lets

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Speaker 3: not even talk about the fact that we throw money

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Speaker 3: at like the poorest Americans begging them to join the military.

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Speaker 1: So that's one, right.

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Speaker 3: Two is maybe maybe some of them, many of them,

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Speaker 3: Many of these people joined after well before Trump was president,

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Speaker 3: had some level of faith that their lives would not

658
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Speaker 3: be used, as you know, dice rolled on a table

659
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Speaker 3: carelessly and foolishly by an American president.

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Speaker 1: I think maybe that's the latter.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that we should never use them, but

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Speaker 3: I think everybody should be extremely careful in what we

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Speaker 3: use or expend their lives for ultimately, and there's there's

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Speaker 3: no there is nothing happening with the war with Iran

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Speaker 3: right now that is worth Isabella Gonzalez's life, who is

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Speaker 3: nineteen years old, or those one hundred and sixty eight

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Speaker 3: mina school growth. Nothing has happened which has worth that.

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Speaker 3: Nobody could say that, And so it's so disgusting when

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Speaker 3: they say that, they're like, oh, they volunteered. It's not

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Speaker 3: even draftees. By the way, this is one of my arguments,

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Speaker 3: you know, for a draft.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I mean, I'm sure soccer they all signed

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Speaker 2: up to put their lives on the line for Israel

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Speaker 2: and for Trump to secure some sort of a legacy

675
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Speaker 2: as a world changing leader. That's they were all willing

676
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Speaker 2: to die for that cause. I mean, it's just utterly

677
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Speaker 2: disgusting the way that And this is the problem with

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Speaker 2: our leadership class. One of many problems with our leadership

679
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Speaker 2: class is they don't care, right, they don't care about

680
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Speaker 2: these service members. They don't come from their echelon of society.

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Speaker 2: So to them, they're completely expendable. If you want a

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Speaker 2: window into how they think about these individuals who sign up. Oftentimes,

683
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Speaker 2: like you said, it's an economic decision that is made.

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Speaker 2: Here is the reason that they sign up for the military.

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Speaker 2: Just take a look at the Epstein files and the

686
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Speaker 2: way that they talk about those who they considered to

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Speaker 2: be lesser than them. They barely see them as humans,

688
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Speaker 2: if at all. And this guy, by the way, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if it was the same appearance, I think

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Speaker 2: it was or another one. He has the gull to

691
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Speaker 2: call Zoronmumdanni a terrorist. Meanwhile, a sentence later he's calling

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Speaker 2: for complete annihilation of a run. If you want to

693
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Speaker 2: understand how screwed up and perverted this man's moral compass. Ultimately,

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Speaker 2: is last thing we have here, which is an important

695
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Speaker 2: one to get to. We mentioned Nanyahu coming to town.

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Speaker 2: What is this? I think his eighth.

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Speaker 3: Visit six still more than any other, more than.

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Speaker 2: Any other world leader, breaking records here, I'm sure bringing

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Speaker 2: his laundry, dirty laundry in tow He was asked about

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Speaker 2: what he would tell Trump when he meets with him.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 6: What can you tell us about any fresh new intelligence

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Speaker 6: that you may have about.

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Speaker 11: That nuclear program that you are about to present President

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Speaker 11: Trump with.

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Speaker 12: Well, first, let me say that Lindsey Graham is a

707
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Speaker 12: terrible loss. He was such a great friend, such a

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Speaker 12: champion of America and a patriot, and such a champion

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Speaker 12: of the Israeli American alliance. He believed in the benefits

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Speaker 12: that Israel gives to the United States in terms of

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Speaker 12: intel weapons technology, and of course we appreciated very much

712
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Speaker 12: all the help that we got from the United States.

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Speaker 12: So it was an extraordinary American patriot and we miss

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Speaker 12: him greatly. As far as the nuclear program, we constantly

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Speaker 12: exchange information. Our intel services and yours are working so

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Speaker 12: close together that it's not that I'm going to present

717
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Speaker 12: new information, but I think it's a good thing to

718
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Speaker 12: have the opportunity to sit with our good friend President

719
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Speaker 12: Trump and to hear what he has in mind, because

720
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Speaker 12: I think in many ways it's his decision.

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Speaker 2: So our intel commune, we're constant communication, we're deeply in

722
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Speaker 2: mesh with one another. And of course they're pushing legislation

723
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Speaker 2: to make it even more so between the military and

724
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Speaker 2: intel services. So he's going to come and push whatever

725
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Speaker 2: his perspective is on why we should go to back

726
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Speaker 2: to and all out.

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Speaker 1: Update for everybody.

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Speaker 3: It's real Channel twelve Yah who will present Trump with

729
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Speaker 3: an up to date intelligence on Iran's progress towards a

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Speaker 3: nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 2: Great, got it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were.

733
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Speaker 2: The ones pushing all the pickax amount.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking two weeks. What do you think that what

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Speaker 1: I do? Yeah? What do you think I'm gonna go with?

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Speaker 1: Two weeks?

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Speaker 2: I would say that's a pretty safe thing. You've been

738
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Speaker 2: saying that since like nineteen ninety one, or it.

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Speaker 1: Could be two days, It could be two days.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Dead Sea scrolls actually said Iran is weeks

741
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Speaker 3: away from But.

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Speaker 2: You know, the thing is like at a certain point

743
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Speaker 2: it will become true because not like because that is

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Speaker 2: the direction we push them in, right, right, at some

745
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Speaker 2: point we keep going in this direction. You know, we

746
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Speaker 2: murdered the guy who was who was opposed to pursuing

747
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Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon. We've made it clear you can't negotiate

748
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Speaker 2: with us. The straight up hor moves is an effective

749
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Speaker 2: to turn four now, but that's not going to last

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Speaker 2: forever because you can build new pipelines and you can

751
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Speaker 2: use renewable energy, and eventually, over time that diminishes. So

752
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Speaker 2: what's left if you're Iran and this is an existential

753
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Speaker 2: threat and you want to preserve your sovereignty doesn't leave

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Speaker 2: a lot of other options on the table, since the

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Speaker 2: shaded options seems to be a fool's errand at this point,

756
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Speaker 2: so yeah, at some point, not now, who will be right?

757
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Speaker 2: At some point if we continue to go in this direction.

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Speaker 3: Not only will he be right, he will be the

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Speaker 3: reason that he is right, which is irony in and

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Speaker 3: of itself. All right, let's get to Saudi Arabia. Let's

761
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: turn down to Saudi Arabia and the ongoing situation with

762
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Speaker 3: the Red Sea, which is highly determinative of where this

763
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Speaker 3: war could go, and the shortage in oil. We do

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Speaker 3: want to kick off though, with Mark Tieson, who we

765
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Speaker 3: showed a little bit of you earlier in our show

766
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Speaker 3: where here he says and pleads to the American people,

767
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Speaker 3: if you can't handle four dollars gasoline, then maybe we're

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Speaker 3: just not a superpower anymore.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 2: That sort of is the good news out there.

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Speaker 8: If we can't handle four dollars oil for a period

772
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Speaker 8: of months in order to disarm around up a nuclear weapon,

773
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Speaker 8: we're not a superpower anymore. Yeah, but there are a

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Speaker 8: lot of Americans who their kitchen table issues matter to

775
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Speaker 8: them more than foreign policy.

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to ask.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, easy for Mark to say, I see him a

778
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Speaker 3: whole foods all the time. I'll say hi next time

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Speaker 3: I see you there, Mark, Yeah, Tommy Laren.

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Speaker 2: You know, actually people kind of care about this, and

781
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Speaker 2: that's not unreasonable, by the way.

782
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's pretty disgusting.

783
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Speaker 3: See these like think tank people with fake jobs who

784
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Speaker 3: build their entire Look, I talk for a living, so

785
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Speaker 3: who am I But I'm not lecturing others on four

786
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Speaker 3: dollars gasoline.

787
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Speaker 1: I'm walking out suck it out the name.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking out for the for the people who, or

789
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 3: try to speak for the people who actually four dollars

790
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: of gasoline is going to break them financially. And that's

791
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: why it's just so ridiculous and disgusting, and you to

792
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: lecture people about that.

793
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Speaker 2: And you know what's crazy saga is I'm thinking back

794
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Speaker 2: to the beginning of the Ukraine War. After Russia invaded,

795
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: Americans were more willing, remember the polling, there were more

796
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Speaker 2: willing to pay high gas prices for that because they

797
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: saw it through a moral lens. They're like, this is

798
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Speaker 2: big country picking on this smaller country. This is illegal,

799
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: it's an invasion, we should stand on the side of Ukraine. Well,

800
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: we've talked plenty about how there was a lot more

801
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: going on there. We'll talk more about that actually in

802
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: the next block. But there was a moral sentiment behind it,

803
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: and people actually were willing like, Okay, you know what,

804
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Speaker 2: I can suck it up for a brief period of time.

805
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 2: I can pay more because this is a just cause.

806
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Speaker 2: It's not that Americans are selfish. They're looking at this

807
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Speaker 2: and they're going, this is not a just cause we're

808
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: bombing little girls school, Like, no, I'm not going to

809
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: pay war at the gas pump for this. I'm completely unwilling.

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Speaker 2: And this is exactly the opposite of what you said

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Speaker 2: you were going to do when you were running for

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Speaker 2: president and wanted our votes. So yes, you know what,

813
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: if it was some sort of truly just cause, I

814
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: think Americans would be willing or to suffer and pay more.

815
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Speaker 2: But they're looking at this and going absolutely not. This

816
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: is a horror show. And why and just even if

817
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: you take it his word like so to prevent ran

818
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Speaker 2: from developing a nuclear weapon, guess what we had the

819
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: JCPOA where you had them in a nuclear deal. Guess

820
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: what Before this whole we started this whole discussing war,

821
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: we were in negotiations that would have led to an

822
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Speaker 2: outcome where they were not going to pursue a nuclear weapon.

823
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Speaker 2: Now they are much more likely to pursue a nuclear weapon.

824
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Speaker 2: So we're paying four dollars a gas and we're more

825
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Speaker 2: likely to have a nuclear armed run. That's what we're

826
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Speaker 2: actually doing.

827
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Speaker 3: Let's put the let's just underscore the oil problem, which

828
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Speaker 3: ultimately will be really what forces everybody's hand.

829
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Speaker 1: Let's put this up here on the screen.

830
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Speaker 3: This was huge news which really was under reported in

831
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Speaker 3: American media. So the top shipping insurers have told brokers

832
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Speaker 3: they will no longer sell war cargo insurance to any

833
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia linked ships in the Red Sea following the

834
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Speaker 3: attacks by Yemen's who the rebels, in a further risk

835
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Speaker 3: to exports from the region. Several of the leading maritime

836
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Speaker 3: marine war insurers at Lloyd's of London said they would

837
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Speaker 3: exclude vessels quote with any Saudi touch points from coverage,

838
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Speaker 3: including ships traveling from under other flags that have made

839
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Speaker 3: pass calls at Saudi ports. This is titanic news in

840
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Speaker 3: the oil market because, as we have shown, people previously,

841
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Speaker 3: it's not the straight of horror moves that get shut

842
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 3: down or opened by America or by Iran to a

843
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Speaker 3: certain extent, it's the insurance companies on whether they're going

844
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Speaker 3: to be allowed to remember, in the early days of

845
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Speaker 3: the war, Trump actually created this wartime insurance board which

846
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Speaker 3: would enable these ships to go through the Strait of

847
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Speaker 3: Horn Mouz with an insurance contract, kind of an insurer

848
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Speaker 3: as last resort that does not yet exist in the

849
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Speaker 3: Red Sea. It also shows that the hooty threat to

850
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Speaker 3: target any vessel which docks at a Saudi port and

851
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Speaker 3: tries to go through the Bab al Mandeb strait is

852
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Speaker 3: fair game. And obviously now because they have shot at

853
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Speaker 3: several vessels coming through the Red Sea that they are

854
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Speaker 3: able to just tell the insurre effectively signal to the

855
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 3: insurers they have this to turn capability. The insurers cancel it,

856
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 3: which means very little oil from Saudi Arabia will be

857
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Speaker 3: able to flow through. Why does this matter? Maps are

858
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Speaker 3: actually important. If you're just listening, I'm gonna do my

859
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: best to describe this. Let's put this up here on

860
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Speaker 3: the screen. And this shows from the Wall Street Journal,

861
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Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia's vast oil supplies now increasingly depend on a

862
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Speaker 3: single exit. So as they show you turmoil and straight

863
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Speaker 3: of Hormoves in the red seat, means the Kingdom and

864
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Speaker 3: wood and world energy markets are relying heavily on the

865
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Speaker 3: Suez Canal. We've talked about this before, but I actually

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Speaker 3: think this map does a really good job of just

867
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Speaker 3: showing the various choke points for Saudi Arabia. They have

868
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Speaker 3: the Yanbu Terminal, which they previously had been able to

869
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Speaker 3: export oil through the Red Sea that's shutdown.

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Speaker 1: They also had been.

871
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: Able previously to export through the Strait of Hormuz, so

872
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: Hormus was their number one lifeline. During the war, they

873
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: shifted everything via the East West Pipeline to Yanbu to

874
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 3: get the oil out of the Red Sea. That's the

875
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: blue line for those who are watching now, they have

876
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: to rely on this alternative route to move oil through

877
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: the Suez Canal through the Mediterranean Sea around the Cape

878
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 3: of Good Hope in this alternative route to China and

879
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: to the rest of the world, or to various other buyers.

880
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: This is a huge problem for two reasons. As you

881
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: have said multiple times, Crystal, the very large what is

882
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: it the vlccs like the very.

883
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: Law, I forget exactly what it stands for.

884
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 3: But that type of ship is not going to move

885
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: through the Suez Canal, so already that's a big problem.

886
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: You also have this Siu Men pipeline, which is what

887
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: they're able to move oil through, but that pipeline has

888
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: a much more limited capacity, so already you're down to

889
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: basically a single point of failure. So both on their

890
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: production side and on their export side, they are being squeezed. Actually,

891
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: right as we're recording the show, Saudi Arabia just fired

892
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: multiple interceptors after attacks from drones came via Iraqi militias

893
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: which are linked to Iran at the Aramco facility, which

894
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 3: produces the vast majority of Saudi oil. So their economy

895
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: is in a serious, serious problem. Second to that is

896
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: that you have seen now that the choke on Saudi

897
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: Arabia was not able to be fully effective with horror

898
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 3: moves because they had that lifeline through the Red Sea,

899
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 3: but with both now closed off, relying both on this

900
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 3: pipeline or the sus Canal, they really are in a

901
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: situation where they're going to have to shut in oil

902
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 3: and take serious damage to their infrastructure on top of

903
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 3: what's going on with these drone strikes that are happening

904
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 3: literally right now as we speak, and that alone accounts

905
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 3: for what I'm four or five percent of the entire

906
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 3: global oil supply, not to mention the UAE, Kuwait and Kutar,

907
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: all of which continue to either be shut down or

908
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: dramatically lessened to where it was previously. Remember in the

909
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 3: early days of the war, Kuwait did not export one

910
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: single barrel of oil for thirty days. That's like three

911
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: to four percent alone of the entire global oil supply.

912
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: And we have Ukraine to mention Russian capacity. You have

913
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: yan Bu and this other oil infrastructure in addition to

914
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: Aramco which is getting hit that is very vulnerable to

915
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: future attacks. So they're tightening the screws, you know, bit

916
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 2: by bit by bit. The introduction of the huthis into

917
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 2: this obviously extremely significant. The Iraqi militias, we don't talk

918
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 2: that much about them, but in a lot of ways,

919
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: you know, they're viewed. This is what Professor Morandi told us,

920
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: that their view to sort of like their strongest allies

921
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,959
Speaker 2: in the region that you know, have not fully joined

922
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: the fight as well. So It's not like this is

923
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: the maximum that they can do. There are more levers

924
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 2: that they can continue to pull to squeeze the global economy.

925
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 2: And just as we're talking, report from Reuter's Iron says Monday,

926
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: still in control of the Strait and not seeking to

927
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: resume peace talks with the US after Trump halted a

928
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: two week bombing campaign that his top brass told him

929
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: had run its course. So, just as we expected and predicted,

930
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: the Ranians are saying, you might be interested in negotiations,

931
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: we have no reason to trust you, and we don't

932
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: think that you're in a place where we're going to

933
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: be able to achieve and secure what we have actually

934
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: already secured on the battlefield. And one other update is

935
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: we were talking the last block about the you know,

936
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: the costs of this war and how casually our foreign

937
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: policy elite are willing to send service members to die

938
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: and posture lego. They all signed up for this. The

939
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: Pentagon has just updated their accounting and you now have

940
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 2: over six hundred service members who have either been killed

941
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: or wounded in the context of this war. So that

942
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: is a you know, that's a large number that we're

943
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: already at over six hundred who have You know, most

944
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: of those are alive, thankfully, most of them are wounded,

945
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: not killed. But you know, six hundred and twenty four

946
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: since we launched this war in Iran on February twenty eighth,

947
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: and that's with us trying to do this standoff bombing campaign.

948
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: You can only imagine what those numbers would be if

949
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: we're actually, you know, sending in some sort of a

950
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: ground force and taking greater risks than what we've done

951
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: thus far.

952
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 3: I can't I mean traumatic brain injury, shrapnel, disfigurement potential.

953
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many long lists of people from

954
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: the global War on Terror who already had to live

955
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 3: with this for a year.

956
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: You can ask them, you know, was it worth it?

957
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: Let's put B four up here on the screen.

958
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 3: This also, as I was saying earlier, there have been

959
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: multiple now attacks on Saudi oil facilities from these either

960
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 3: Iran from the hoo Thies or from now from the Iraqi.

961
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: So over the weekend, this was on top of the

962
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 3: Ramco strikes I just talked about fired missiles and drones

963
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: at two of their strategic oil facilities actually on the

964
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: Red Sea, both at the Yambu facility, but at another one.

965
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 3: Iran previously had had multiple strikes that were launched at

966
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia or at Saudi Arabi in facilities. Many of

967
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: these more recent ones though, are coming from the Iraqis

968
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: and from who these and so really what you can

969
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 3: see is that this new front of the war arguably

970
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: is you know, the tipping point you know, if you will,

971
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 3: for a decision that has to be made on whether

972
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: Trump is going to go full on invasion or full

973
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: on fold Now, you know, with this, with the pipeline

974
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 3: and with oil prices and all that where they are,

975
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: it may not necessarily be you know, today tomorrow, but

976
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 3: the bleeding and the restriction of supply will of course,

977
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: as we said earlier, eventually catch up to reality.

978
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: In the meantime.

979
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 3: Less put B five up here on the screen. Gas

980
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 3: is still four dollars an eleven gallon. That's the national

981
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: price average. The entire Ascella Corridor sees, you know, pretty

982
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 3: high gas prices, and you know non Human mentioned the

983
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: entire West coast bathed and read there California at five

984
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 3: sixty four a gallon. Significant amount of their oil actually

985
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: coming remember from the Middle East previously, so you could

986
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: see that they're facing significant pressure and this remains just

987
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: a general nightmare for the American consumer. Again, as you said, yeah,

988
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: I mean I have major problems with the will pay

989
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 3: more for Putin's price hike and all that. But we've

990
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: talked about this previously at the very least, like we

991
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: didn't invade Ukraine.

992
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: They did.

993
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 3: It was an external shock, so Putin's price hike was fake.

994
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: But I mean, I could understand why people fell for it.

995
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: There's nothing here.

996
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: You know.

997
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 3: Trump is one of the only wartime leaders in history

998
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: in American history to not give a major address before

999
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: the launching of a Warris White, it was even necessary

1000
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 3: to this day, I don't think it could actually point

1001
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 3: to a single address that he's made to be like,

1002
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: here's what I'm doing, here's why I'm doing it, Here's

1003
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 3: what it will cost, here's the cost to you, Here's

1004
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 3: why it's worth it. I mean, straight comments here and there.

1005
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 3: Remember the war was launched in the cover of darkness

1006
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: at two am Eastern Time, with a bizarre video of

1007
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 3: Trump wearing a Maga hat telling Iranians to rise up

1008
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 3: and take back their country.

1009
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: That's how the war was.

1010
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 3: And then he was silent for forty eight forty eight hours,

1011
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: if I recall, it didn't even make any public come.

1012
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 3: So that's the comparison really with all of the other Yeah,

1013
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: all of.

1014
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: The other wars.

1015
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: Original justification right after he launched it was basically like

1016
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: the protesters and human rights and rise up and take

1017
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: back your country. He'll still go back to that well sometimes,

1018
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: even though I mean it's always been utterly preposterous to

1019
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: imagine that Trump cares about the human rights of the

1020
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: Iranian people and has some sort of a noble reason

1021
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: for doing this. You know, we're still left in the

1022
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: dark guessing. I think we've got a pretty good outline

1023
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 2: of what it was, based on reporting from Johnson Swan

1024
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: and Maggie Haberman, among others, of what was going on

1025
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. High on his own supply from Venezuela,

1026
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: fixated on his legacy, you know, as an old man

1027
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 2: wants to leave his mark on the world, got persuaded

1028
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: that this he could be the one that did what

1029
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: no other president was willing or able to do. Very casualty,

1030
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: casually launches this war thinking it's going to be over

1031
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: in a few days time, and then has no plan B.

1032
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: When that doesn't work, because anyone who had looked at

1033
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: this at all could tell you that that wasn't going

1034
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: to work. You know, we're going to talk about some

1035
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: of these Lindsay Graham clips. Hopefully we'll be able to

1036
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 2: get to it today in the show. If not, we'll

1037
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 2: cover it tomorrow. But one of the clips of Lindsay

1038
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: Graham's him saying that he thinks some Iranian cities are

1039
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: going to fall in just a mere few weeks time. Right,

1040
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: this is a guy who spent his life thinking about

1041
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: this conflict, and you know, veiling himself of all of

1042
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: the military intelligence that he has access to, and talking

1043
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: to Nahu about and all these other people, and he

1044
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 2: had deluded himself into thinking that Iranian cities were on

1045
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: the verge of collapse. And now here we are, you know, however,

1046
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: many months later, and this government is stronger in many

1047
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: ways than it was before we launched the war. So

1048
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: just absolute idiocy and arrogance. Truly blinded by arrogance all

1049
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: the way around.

1050
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, all right, let's get to Ukraine.

1051
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 3: Turning down to Ukraine, some insane developments again not getting

1052
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 3: new the coverage that it deserves here in the Western press.

1053
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: Let's start with the Foreign Minister of Iran, Arachi. Let's

1054
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 3: put this up here on the screen. He says, quote,

1055
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: Zelenski has attacked an Iranian commercial vessel, killing a sailor,

1056
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 3: a blatant un charter violation done at Israel's behest to

1057
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 3: drag Europe into its war. In calls with the EU

1058
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 3: High Representative Kalas and Foreign Minister Lavrov of Russia, he

1059
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 3: made clear that what the freeloader in Kiev did cannot

1060
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 3: go unanswered, cannot go unanswered in all caps. So this

1061
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 3: highlights a new front here that we have in the

1062
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 3: World War.

1063
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: Let's put it up here on the screen.

1064
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 3: Iran says that this Ukrainian attack on a vessel in

1065
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 3: the Caspian Sea killed a sailor. Basically, what has happened

1066
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: is that attack came in the Caspian Sea, which, if

1067
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 3: you want to take a look at a map, is

1068
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 3: pretty far from Ukraine and you might have a lot

1069
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,479
Speaker 3: of questions as to what exactly is going on here.

1070
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 3: So Iran's Caspian ports are actually pretty important for trade

1071
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 3: because of the US blockade whenever it comes to the

1072
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: southern maritime round, so the northern corridor allows Iran to

1073
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 3: import goods from states around the Caspian Sea and to

1074
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 3: receive Chinese cargo, which is transported overland by rail through

1075
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: Central Asia before it reaches a port on the Caspian

1076
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: coast and then makes it way to Tehran or to

1077
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 3: any of the other major cities. Arachi called quote for

1078
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 3: a firm response to the strike from the UN Security

1079
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: Council and from the European Union. But the reason why

1080
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 3: all of this is honestly pretty important is first of all,

1081
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 3: the Ukrainians just killed in Iranian sailor now you could

1082
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 3: say from Ukraine side, and I'll be fair, there's a

1083
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 3: lot of Iranian drones which have killed a lot of Ukrainians.

1084
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 3: Let's be honest, right, But here in this case, let's

1085
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Speaker 3: just see that Ukraine is a vassal state for the

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Speaker 3: United States and for the European Union. They literally would

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00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: not exist it wasn't for us. We give them all

1088
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 3: their weapons, they know, even the stuff they is all.

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Speaker 1: Paid for basically by the US.

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Speaker 3: Here, so Ukrainian attack drones financed supported by the United

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00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 3: States being used to try and block an Iranian export

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Speaker 3: here in the Caspian Sea. But this is where Ukraine's

1093
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,959
Speaker 3: logic breaks down. They claim ultimately that they're the ones

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00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 3: doing the fighting, and the European Union and NATO and

1095
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: the US are the ones that are just supporting them. Well,

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00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 3: by this logic, Russia could go out and start striking

1097
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 3: American ships or European Union exports that come from Poland

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00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 3: into Ukraine because it's literally being directly used for the

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00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: war effort. Now, this is why, you know, their general

1100
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,479
Speaker 3: escalatory logic is one of yeah, we're going to fire

1101
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 3: at them. Largely we all know why because to get

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00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: on trump good graces to ensnare themselves as part of

1103
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 3: this you know, grand plan what Neo Khan takeover here

1104
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: in Washington As evidence now by Laura Lumer and apparently

1105
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 3: all these other people who have changed their mind Ukraine

1106
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 3: and supporting supporting the Ukrainian war effort. The point remains

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00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 3: that Ukraine is doing this because they desperately need two

1108
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 3: things from Washington. Number One, they need more pack two,

1109
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 3: Pack three missiles, patriots and others to be sold from

1110
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 3: the United States to Ukraine being paid for by European weapons.

1111
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 3: Number Two, they need the sanctions build that is currently

1112
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: in the United States Congress to pass. Those two things

1113
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 3: are now directly linked with the Iran conflict. Iran because

1114
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 3: we began our story all talking about what the stockpiles

1115
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 3: massively depleted first for Ukraine then in the Iran War. Well,

1116
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 3: Ukraine is still desperate with their handout because the ballistic

1117
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 3: missiles are the one thing they can't shoot down, but

1118
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 3: without any without the drones and other things they've been

1119
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 3: able to shoot down with their own technology, So that

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00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 3: means they need us to either pay for them or

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00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 3: provide them to them, which you're not going to want

1122
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 3: to do whenever you have a very limited amount of

1123
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 3: supply and a supply chain bottom for our defense industrial

1124
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 3: Brace two. They desperately want those Russia sanctions pass, and

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00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 3: Trump has given them the greatest gift of all by

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00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 3: linking the Iran and Russia sanctions together, which provides secondary

1127
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: sanctions and effectively wipe foreign trade with Russia off the map,

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00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 3: which is a you know, the ultimate economic nuke.

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00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: I guess if you were going to call it.

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00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 3: Trump never even wanted to do it previously because he

1131
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 3: knew if I do this, there's no negotiations that are

1132
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 3: potential with the Kremlin. That's what these two things are about,

1133
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 3: not to even mention the belligerent behavior of Ukraine, like,

1134
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you can support Ukraine and all that if

1135
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 3: you want, even striking deep into Russia, which I think

1136
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 3: is nuts, but you know, okay, because they're a nuclear

1137
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 3: arm power. Here, you're directly inserting yourself into the Iranian

1138
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 3: conflict in a desperate bid to ingratiate yourself with the

1139
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: neocons of Washington. And by the way, you have your

1140
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 3: own war to be fighting, which is with Russia. So

1141
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 3: what are you doing here if not trying to play

1142
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 3: the game insert yourself in the neocons, you know, good graces,

1143
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 3: and now inviting potential Iranian response. What is America going

1144
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 3: to do? We're going to shoot down now Iranian you know,

1145
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 3: missiles coming into Kiev.

1146
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean, the entire thing would be insane.

1147
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: Well, the other possibility is that Ukraine wouldn't have taken

1148
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: these actions without US and NATO acquiescence and encouragement, and

1149
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: so I think I think that's a real possibility too,

1150
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 2: because this is important. You know, these trading roots through

1151
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 2: the caspiancy are important. I mean, this is basically how

1152
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: Iran is able to import things from China. And from Russia,

1153
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: obviously two countries very important to them. The world views

1154
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 2: Zelenski is pushing, which does, by the way, have some

1155
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: grounding to it, is that the Ukraine Russia conflict and

1156
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 2: the Iran US Israel conflict are actually very much linked

1157
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: and they're part of the same conflict. We've talked here

1158
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 2: about how there is There are definitely some linkage linkages here,

1159
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 2: you know, but Zelenski definitely wants to oversell it. He's

1160
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: constantly pushing, you know, how impactful Russia has been in

1161
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 2: terms of the Iran War. His claim is that Iran

1162
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: would not be able to target US service members and

1163
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,959
Speaker 2: radars and other important assets and facilities without Russian help.

1164
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: I don't know whether that is true or not, but

1165
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 2: he's effectively selling this worldview of the West versus Iran, Russia, China,

1166
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: and North Korea as this sort of new axis of evil.

1167
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: He also, while yes, Sager is right Ukraine obviously needs

1168
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 2: us for some things, he's also trying to position himself

1169
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: as you need me for some things. So he's been

1170
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 2: doing and we haven't covered this on the show, but

1171
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: he's been doing a bunch of deals with the Gulf,

1172
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: Arab allies in particular doing training. Hey, we've been dealing

1173
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 2: with these Shahad drones. We know how to do it.

1174
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 2: We've developed technology, selling them that technology in exchange for

1175
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 2: money and support from those golf Arab allies. So he's

1176
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: been striking all of these cooperation agreements to try to

1177
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 2: further and mesh himself and make Ukraine invaluable to the US.

1178
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Speaker 2: So now not only are we effect using the Ukrainian

1179
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 2: population in a proxy fight against Russia, but he's saying, hey,

1180
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: you can use this too for your proxy, you know,

1181
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 2: to as a proxy against Iran. And so that's I

1182
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 2: think the context that you have to look at. This

1183
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 2: attack on this Iranian ship is kind of an opening

1184
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: salvo in that. And I would be I would be

1185
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 2: surprised if they didn't at least have a green light

1186
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: from the US. I don't think that they would be

1187
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 2: entirely freelancing here. And that is certainly the Iranians view

1188
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 2: of things, that this is not just Selenski going out

1189
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 2: on a limb. This is a new US strategy of Okay,

1190
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: how do we further up the ancient apply more economic

1191
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: to pressure to Iran. We can use Ukraine to put

1192
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: pressure in the Caspian.

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Speaker 1: Sea, and you're not wrong.

1194
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 3: It also this is part of why this is so dangerous,

1195
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 3: by trying to link it as some sort of world

1196
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 3: war that would I mean, let's think about all of

1197
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 3: the massive risks, or at least right now, it's it's

1198
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 3: contained to the Middle East. Iran's greatest Iran's great strategy

1199
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Speaker 3: was to regionalize the war, to say, if you attack us,

1200
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 3: we attack everything all of So Ukraine also knows, at

1201
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: the end of the day, no Americans want to die

1202
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 3: or yes, continue to pay five dollars gasoline so that

1203
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 3: the eastern Gunboss region can be free. Sorry, I don't care.

1204
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 3: I know a lot of other people don't care either.

1205
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 3: He wants to globalize it into this grant and you'd

1206
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 3: actually even see it. Let's put C three up here

1207
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 3: on the screen, just to give you an example. Zelenski's

1208
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 3: new line is to say, I will instruct our intelligence

1209
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 3: to share with our partners the information we have received

1210
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 3: regarding Russia's assistance to the Iranian regime. Since the beginning

1211
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 3: of July, we have recorded active Russian satellite surveillance of

1212
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 3: the Gulf States and US military facilities located there. These

1213
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 3: images that appear in Iran at the same time, there's

1214
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 3: clear correlation between Russia's satellite imagery of these sites and

1215
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 3: Iran strikes, both before the attacks, in preparation for them,

1216
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 3: and effort to assess the damage inflicted, basically saying, it

1217
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: is Russia that is providing the backbone of the intelligence

1218
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 3: for the Iran conflict, and it is Iran that is

1219
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 3: supplying these drones to Russia to attack us. That's why

1220
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 3: you need to support us in this global conflict. Now,

1221
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 3: the funny thing behind all of this is that Trump

1222
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 3: is the one downplaying any Russian assistance to Iran. Why

1223
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to fight with Russia. He already has

1224
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 3: a bad enough fight on his hands. He put out

1225
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 3: a long truth social post saying President Putin has assured me,

1226
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 3: and I take him at his word, that he has

1227
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: not provided anything to Iran. President g has also assured me.

1228
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 3: Does he know that's bullshit? Of course he knows that.

1229
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 3: Of course they are helping Iran. We help Ukraine hit Russia.

1230
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 3: What we're not broughting all the battle damage assessments and

1231
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 3: all the technology and everything to go all these deep strikes.

1232
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 3: You be a fool not to believe that. So it's

1233
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 3: very obvious that this is happening. But Zelenski has this

1234
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 3: ultimate end of linking the two to become massively supplied

1235
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 3: by the United States and by the Trump administration, which

1236
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 3: is desperate to try and to defeat Iran. So these

1237
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 3: things being linked togaein because Lensky knows otherwise. In a vacuum,

1238
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 3: he's screwed, and basically has been since October seventh, whenever

1239
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 3: he had to compete with Israel for munitions and for resources.

1240
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 3: But one of the tactics that they are now using

1241
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 3: is to link these two things together by buying off

1242
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 3: or supporting many of the neo cons here in Washington,

1243
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 3: as evidence now by Laura Lumer in her recent trip

1244
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 3: to Ukraine, where she has made now a huge pivot,

1245
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 3: and her trip, she says, was financed by donors. Who

1246
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 3: knows exactly who these people are. Maybe she's speaking from

1247
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 3: the heart, but she sat down for a very softball

1248
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 3: interview here with Zelensky.

1249
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

1250
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 11: We saw that about a week or so ago, President Trump,

1251
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 11: after the death of Senator Lindsay Graham, tweeted that he

1252
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 11: wants Iron to be added to the Russia sanctions bill,

1253
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 11: and by posting that on truth Social it seems like

1254
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,919
Speaker 11: the President is willing to sign that Russia sanctions bill

1255
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 11: when it reaches his desk.

1256
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 2: So how does that make you feel?

1257
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 11: And why do you think the American people should get

1258
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 11: on board with a Russia and Iron joint sanctions bill.

1259
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 13: First of all, I think that President exactly understood that

1260
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 13: who really doesn't want to stop the war? I think so,

1261
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 13: I mean this even not this ways, So he understood

1262
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 13: that we want to stop them. He understood that we

1263
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 13: really want piece that there have been before a lot

1264
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 13: of voices that Ukraine doesn't want to stop, and they said,

1265
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 13: of course we want to win.

1266
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 14: Yeah, of course it's understandable. We have people and we

1267
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 14: are rioting on our land, etc. But first of all,

1268
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 14: we are focusing on the human lives. So if tomorrow

1269
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 14: we can stop the war to make fire, it's better

1270
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 14: than to fight ten twenty years for the victory and

1271
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 14: to lose your people. Of course, she's fire is better.

1272
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 13: Lindsay really was involved this bill, and he was I

1273
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 13: don't remember about two years, one year and a half

1274
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 13: something like this. And I think the idea of President

1275
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 13: Trump to join the sunctions.

1276
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 14: Or Iran.

1277
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 13: We support this idea. Of course, this is very good idea.

1278
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 13: I think that this idea is strong because you can

1279
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 13: join maybe different people in Congress, Senna. You can join

1280
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 13: people who are somebody is supporting Iranian sanctions, somebody is

1281
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 13: a Russian sanction. So this is the idea.

1282
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: So he's thrilled, obviously very thrilled about the idea.

1283
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 3: And by the way, after BB has his hand out

1284
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 3: here in Washington, another leader will come here to Washington

1285
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 3: the very next day. Let's put it up here on

1286
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 3: the screen. So just tomorrow, don't worry, Zelenski will be

1287
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 3: here in Washington in the Oval Office to meet with

1288
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 3: President Trump literally asking for I mean, you can look at.

1289
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: His Twitter timeline.

1290
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 3: All he's begging for Patriot and pack two, pack three missiles,

1291
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 3: all to be able to shoot down ballistic missiles. But

1292
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 3: of course you are going to have to ration them

1293
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 3: both at US in terms of the defense industrial base

1294
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,479
Speaker 3: and in terms of the future. But at the very least,

1295
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 3: I think it just highlights one of the major Trump

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Speaker 3: campaign promises was I'm going to bring the war.

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Speaker 1: What did he say before I even take office?

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Speaker 3: I believe that's what he said, is that I'll have

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Speaker 3: it solved before I even take office. It's July twenty seven,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, almost two years into the Trump presidency,

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01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 3: and the war is escalating and now actually joining the

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Speaker 3: war that you started in the first place. So at

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Speaker 3: the very least, it's a total failure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think part of what is really scary

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Speaker 2: about this is that there is some truth to the

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Speaker 2: fact that this is a broader world war at this point,

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Speaker 2: and those linkages, you know, they are real in terms

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01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 2: of the way that these two conflicts interact. You could

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Speaker 2: even expand it to the Horn of Africa if you

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01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 2: want to look at what's happening in Sudan and the

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01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: way UA is backing that as well. And it's why

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01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: you know, we I mean, it's one of the reasons

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01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: why we've been very concerned about the launch of this

1314
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,479
Speaker 2: war to begin with, because of the way it could

1315
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: turn into this sort of global conflagration. Sager's been bringing

1316
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 2: up some of the World War One parallels. I think

1317
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: you can see it here, all these you know, linkages

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01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 2: between different allies and different commitments to different countries and

1319
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 2: the way that all comes together. So Celenski very much

1320
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 2: wants to make reality that conception of this is not

1321
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: just separate wars, but that they are in a sense joined,

1322
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 2: because that serves his interests of pushing us to do

1323
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: more against Russia and support him, makes him more indispensable

1324
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: to this entire fight. And you know, I think is

1325
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Speaker 2: having some success pushing in that time.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, you have to admire it, I guess

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01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 3: in a certain sense. You know, he'd a hopeless conflict

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01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 3: that just continues to drag on and which he is

1329
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 3: now escalated and actually convinced everyone that there's no risk.

1330
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 3: But just like what you said earlier about the risk

1331
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 3: of pushing Iran to a nuclear weapon, we have the

1332
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 3: same risk here with Russia. We're going to economically nuke

1333
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 3: them with the Russia sanctions link them with Iran. Well,

1334
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 3: then now there's no negotiation ability.

1335
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: We're really going to.

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01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 3: Draw the line in the sand over the Dunboss region

1337
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 3: of Ukraine. Seriously, but that's apparently what it is. What Meanwhile,

1338
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 3: Russia strikes or Ukraine strikes deep into Russia. Everybody in

1339
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 3: Washington and the whole Blue Brigade just wipes it like,

1340
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 3: oh yeah, you know, oh, it's okay, there's no risk.

1341
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 3: They literally have nukes. They can use them anytime that

1342
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Speaker 3: they want.

1343
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Speaker 13: It's it.

1344
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 3: Look, we saw remember the Wagner coup that almost I mean,

1345
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 3: who knows what could happen in this country. The reality is,

1346
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 3: if that there's any domestic problem in Russia, it will

1347
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 3: be and Putin is removed, it will be a right

1348
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 3: wing takeover that is much more likely to escalate the war.

1349
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 3: And Zelenski is also making that more likely with no

1350
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 3: pressure from Washington or from anybody else, anybody who's more

1351
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 3: cool headed to just bring the war to an end.

1352
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 3: And speaking of cool headed people who truly loved peace,

1353
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:50,919
Speaker 3: now let's talk.

1354
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: About Lindsay grid.

1355
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 2: This is actually quite extraordinary. Apparently, for the last year

1356
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 2: or so of Lindsay grin life, he was being followed

1357
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 2: by a documentary filmmaker who captured all of this behind

1358
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 2: the scenes footage of Lindsey Graham as the Iran war

1359
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 2: is being launched, even captured a phone conversation that he

1360
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 2: had with net and Yahoo, all of these sensitive meetings.

1361
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Speaker 2: This filmmaker, whose name is Alex Holder, who has quite

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Speaker 2: a long track record of making a lot of different documentaries,

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Speaker 2: had access to So we have a few of these

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01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 2: clips to share with you because they're quite illustrative. I

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01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 2: think we all know Lindsay gram is one of the

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01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 2: most consequential figures in terms of persuading Trump that the

1367
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Speaker 2: Iran War would be a good idea. This was a

1368
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Speaker 2: lifelong project for him. He was deeply committed to it.

1369
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 2: I think, deeply, ideologically, principally committed to it. And we

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Speaker 2: have now the live reaction on camera of Lindsey Graham

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01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 2: as he's watching Trump announce that the Iran War has

1372
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Speaker 2: been launched, and he has overcome with emotion. Let's take

1373
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 2: a look at that.

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Speaker 13: We've done it, almost cried.

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01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like, how long have we been pushing this?

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01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 6: You've been pushing this?

1377
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 1: Is here id Trump this morning. Boy's Jack. He's the

1378
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:11,479
Speaker 1: best thing I've ever done.

1379
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 13: He loves blowing stuff up.

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01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 15: So you know, there are a lot of people inside

1381
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 15: didn't want to do it. So I've had my challenges

1382
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 15: for President Trump. When he gets into the zone, he listens,

1383
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 15: he asks good questions.

1384
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 14: You know, no.

1385
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,439
Speaker 1: Tweeting, he has done nothing.

1386
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 16: He hasn't tweeted much at all.

1387
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 15: No drama. He's been a great wartime President. I said

1388
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 15: last night that Trump and BB are like Roosevelt and Churchill.

1389
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 15: I mean they're the right to guys to confront this.

1390
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 2: Evil, like Roosevelt and Churchill, confronting this great evil. He says,

1391
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 2: he almost cried when the announcement was made. There he

1392
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 2: is laughing, He's delighted, he's so happy. I'm so happy

1393
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 2: that this president loves in his words, blowing stuff up

1394
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 2: and talks about how many years have I been pushing

1395
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: this for? I mean, it really says it all there,

1396
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Speaker 2: doesn't he.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's ryan.

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01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 3: It's you know, watching this his dad his funerals today,

1399
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 3: So you'll try to be semi muted, I guess, but

1400
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 3: you know, this man revels in death like he revels

1401
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,759
Speaker 3: on his legacy and in conflict. And I actually think

1402
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 3: it's his funeral. So let's talk about his legacy, which

1403
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 3: we did kind of previously. Let's take a look at

1404
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 3: his actual track record, of his track record and his

1405
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 3: judgment who he is so unhinged in a phone call

1406
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 3: here with baby net and Yahoo.

1407
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: Baby has to talk him down.

1408
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 15: Let's take a listen, Hey, baby lindsay, I couldn't. I'm

1409
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 15: just so impressed. Glad to be your friend. I'm going

1410
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 15: to meet with the President this weekend. I'm going down

1411
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 15: to Durrel. I'm gonna try to get him to join

1412
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 15: with y'all in Lebanon to maybe fly some with you.

1413
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 7: Would you like that?

1414
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 10: Yeah, I get that. I think I think you have

1415
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 10: a point. But I've been thinking about the other side

1416
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 10: of it for a second, concentrated right now on if

1417
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 10: we tell that we're going all the way, but if

1418
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 10: we actually do it, okay and they have no reason

1419
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,560
Speaker 10: not to go all the way against.

1420
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 15: Okay, okay, later, well I'll uh, okay, Well that's that's

1421
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 15: actually good counsel. I'll put it out there as an idea.

1422
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 15: We can always go back to it.

1423
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 3: Do you guys see that he's saying, I'm going to

1424
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 3: go down to Durrell. I'm going to get Trump to

1425
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 3: join you in bombing Hasbol And BB's like, oh, we're

1426
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 3: just bombing Iran right now. I'll deal with Hesbola later.

1427
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,560
Speaker 3: But that's how unhinged he was. He was so unhinged

1428
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 3: he wanted to do a bombing campaign that even Netta

1429
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 3: Yahu didn't And by the way, his prediction is totally

1430
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 3: wrong in all of this as we're all about to

1431
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 3: show in a phone call with Jake Sullivan, former national

1432
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 3: security advisor for Joe Biden. So just to show you

1433
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 3: all the uniparty in terms of it's big club, We're

1434
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 3: not in it. Former National security advisor Jake Sullivan, Lindsey

1435
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,560
Speaker 3: Graham like this in terms.

1436
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 1: Of their worldview.

1437
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 3: He starts talking about how all these Iranian cities are

1438
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 3: about to fall, We're going to take over. Like his

1439
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 3: level of optimism, enthusiasm, and ultimately he died at a

1440
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 3: moment where he didn't get to.

1441
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,520
Speaker 1: Fully see what how the disaster.

1442
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 3: He unleashed, but he had an idea at least somewhat.

1443
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 3: Their predictions in the early days of the war, we

1444
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,600
Speaker 3: can never forget. Iran will rise up. We're going to

1445
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 3: kill the Iyahtola. This will all be over in a

1446
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 3: matter of days, and America will overwhelming win. We're catastrophically

1447
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 3: proven incorrect. At the end of the day, they were

1448
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 3: they got exactly what they wanted. They told us for years,

1449
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 3: No Americans have to die. They've been killing us for

1450
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 3: forty seven years. The forty seventh President will end the

1451
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 3: forty seven year war with a few bombs and a

1452
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 3: few aetola and then the entire region lit on fire

1453
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 3: and it became a total disaster. And at the end

1454
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 3: he at least knew that somewhat. And that's why the

1455
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 3: ben Shapiros and the Martestans and all these people in

1456
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 3: the world have to resort to cheap tricks on Fox

1457
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 3: News television to cast their spell over these boomers, to

1458
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 3: continue them to support the war.

1459
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: They've got nothing left. Reality has hit them in the face.

1460
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and excuse me, Lindsay Graham. I think as someone who,

1461
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,799
Speaker 2: in addition to, as you said, reveling in death and mayhem,

1462
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 2: he also has been constitutionally incapable of taking in new information.

1463
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 2: Very good at it in terms of the political landscape year,

1464
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 2: but very bad at it in terms of his core ideology.

1465
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: I mean, this is someone who never reckoned with what

1466
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 2: a failure of the Iraq War was, Libya was, Syria was,

1467
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 2: Afghanistan was, never moved, was completely unreconstructed, never moved his

1468
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:55,639
Speaker 2: ideological appetite for war, regime change wars even one inch,

1469
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 2: did not change his worldview and his desire for these

1470
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 2: endless wars even one bit. So do I think he

1471
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 2: was at the end of his life looking at this

1472
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 2: and going, oh, that was a disaster. No, of course,

1473
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 2: he was like the rest of these people, we just

1474
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: got to do more. We gotta go harder, we got

1475
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 2: to invade, we got to bomb carg Island, we got

1476
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 2: to join bb and bombing Lebanon, et cetera. The other

1477
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 2: piece of that clip that is consequential is that he

1478
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 2: feels like he can just go to Jerral and talk

1479
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 2: to Trump and get him to do whatever bombing campaign

1480
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 2: he wants. He seems to have that level kan Hey, babe,

1481
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 2: you want me to do this for you, no problem,

1482
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 2: I'm had it down to Jerral. I'll take care of

1483
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 2: it for you. I'll get I'll get us to join

1484
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 2: in your bombing campaign in Lebanon. And I don't think

1485
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 2: he was crazy to feel that he had that kind

1486
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 2: of impact. It gives you a window into just how

1487
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 2: important and consequential this man, this unreconstructed Neocon, ended up

1488
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 2: being in Trump's presidency. Trump the guy who ran on

1489
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 2: No New Wars. Sager set up this clip of Lindsey

1490
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 2: Graham talking to Jake Sullivan and you know, talking about

1491
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 2: how he thinks the war was going to unfold. You

1492
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 2: could see how you know with our own eyes, as

1493
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 2: in our lived experience here, how catastrophically wrong he was

1494
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 2: in every one of these predictions.

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Speaker 16: Let's take a listen, Democrats and Republicans are okay with

1496
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 16: the treaty. Now you'll never get the treaty into you

1497
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 16: get a pathway for the Palestinians. You just can't get there.

1498
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 16: You can't get NBS to recognize Israel. So when I'm

1499
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 16: gonna tell BB, and I just told later. I talked

1500
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 16: to BB this morning. He called me and thanking me

1501
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 16: for everything. He says. He's game. I said, listen, BB

1502
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 16: and Smoltridge and being Avere are not going to deliver.

1503
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 16: If you win your election, it's going to be before

1504
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,560
Speaker 16: our election. I think the time probably do this is

1505
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 16: Elaine Duck will know pretty quickly whether it BB is

1506
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 16: able to deliver. I'll to be honest with you, I

1507
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 16: think about three to four weeks we should have him

1508
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 16: in a spot where they start losing control of some cities.

1509
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 16: And what we're trying to do, it's just get a

1510
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 16: few cities to fall in the next month, get the

1511
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 16: air is more openly involved tomorrow or by the end

1512
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 16: of the week, and just have almost irreversible.

1513
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 2: Momentum, irreversible, incredible. Yeah, andol like three to four weeks,

1514
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 2: some cities are going to and I think this was

1515
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,879
Speaker 2: all there. You know, they had that crazy cockamating scheme

1516
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 2: with Akamdenojod is going to rise into leadership and Kurds

1517
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 2: are going to come in. We're going to arm these Curds.

1518
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 2: They're going to come in, They're going to start a

1519
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 2: civil war. They'll be able to take over these cities.

1520
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 2: Like they actually believe this crap. They thought that's how

1521
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 2: it was going to go, and that just like Venezuela

1522
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 2: fell so quickly into us hands and by the way,

1523
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 2: Venezuela now walking away from the ICC, because that's what

1524
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 2: we want them to do. But in any case, they

1525
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 2: thought Aron would be the same. We'll take out their

1526
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 2: leadership class, we'll arm these Curds, We'll barely have to

1527
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 2: do anything, and it's all going to crumble, it's all

1528
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 2: going to fall apart. Obviously, here we are months later

1529
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 2: and we have like we've lost. It's just a matter

1530
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 2: of time until we actually reckon with that.

1531
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 3: That tomorrow was five months to the day since the

1532
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 3: war began, so that was almost five months ago that

1533
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 3: that video was recorded. We're a few weeks away from

1534
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 3: these cities losing control wrong, a few weeks away from

1535
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 3: being able to by the way, even what he was

1536
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 3: saying there about a treaty that lets us in on

1537
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 3: a little secret. So because what he's trying to push,

1538
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:22,759
Speaker 3: just to explain a little behind the scenes, I assume

1539
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 3: I called Sullivan's because Sullivan is STI close to a

1540
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 3: lot of these Democratic senators, is to push some sort

1541
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 3: either what we just learned about this Saudi nuclear deal

1542
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 3: through in a lame duck style session in Congress, or

1543
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 3: some sort of normalization ish of relations between the Gulf

1544
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 3: Arab States and Israel.

1545
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: But ultimately that was his aim.

1546
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 3: His aim was to support Israel and to top all Iran.

1547
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 3: I mean, he's supported, he accomplished the first one. But

1548
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 3: it's just so crazy to me that he's more of

1549
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 3: a warmonger than b B himself, like that saying I

1550
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 3: just can't get over because.

1551
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 2: Phoebe said something like that in a Fox News I

1552
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,759
Speaker 2: think interviewed too, who was like, oh, lindsay he'd always

1553
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 2: be and I'll give you more a and I'll like,

1554
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 2: we don't even need this much I had to talk

1555
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 2: him back because he was always wanting to give us

1556
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 2: more and more and more. That's your taskpayer dollars we're

1557
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 2: talking about here.

1558
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, look, we talked about Zelenski, we

1559
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 3: talked about Boebe. They're all coming to his I'm like,

1560
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,839
Speaker 3: is anyone from South Carolina going to this guy's funeral?

1561
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: Literally?

1562
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 3: Like you have all these foreign ministers and ambassadors from

1563
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 3: the from Europe who were all like, oh, he was

1564
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 3: such a great friend. Any poor people in South Carolina

1565
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 3: hold their hands up and be like, thank you Lindsey

1566
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 3: Graham for did he fix any roads like anything? He

1567
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 3: was in Congress for a long time, not that I

1568
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 3: can see. You know, what's what's the post in Courier

1569
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 3: or any did do they mention anything? Does anybody down there,

1570
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 3: even you know, miss him? Now that his sister, I guess,

1571
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 3: will take up his mantle. You know, she's running for

1572
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,919
Speaker 3: his for the full election. It's crazy.

1573
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, who is this lady?

1574
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: Who are you? Yeah? I looked her up.

1575
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 3: She's like the she was on like the library board

1576
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 3: or something in South or which he got.

1577
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: Her the job. Now she's running for his entire term. Okay,

1578
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: I can't deal with this country sometimes, I really can't.

1579
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:03,719
Speaker 2: All right, Ecuador, Absolutely wild story unfolding down in Ecuador

1580
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 2: that we had to bring to you in relation to

1581
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 2: some of these alleged boat drone strikes from the Trump administration.

1582
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 2: Let's go on and put this reporting up on the

1583
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 2: screen from drop Site. Their reporter, Camilla Lord's Galarza says

1584
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 2: that a prosecutor investigating US boat strikes and claims of

1585
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 2: torture was murdered in Ecuador. So the TLDR here is

1586
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: that this prosecutor was appointed to investigate not only the

1587
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 2: boat strikes, but there were a number of survivors from

1588
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 2: these three different boat strikes, and they all claimed a

1589
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 2: very similar series of events that after the drone strikes,

1590
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 2: then they were apprehended by what appeared to be US

1591
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:46,879
Speaker 2: service members, They were held for more than a week,

1592
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:51,520
Speaker 2: they were tortured, and then they were dropped in El Salvador.

1593
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 2: The US denies all of this. They all described the

1594
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 2: uniform that appears to be like the US Coast Guard uniform.

1595
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 2: I'll go through some of the evidence that drop Site

1596
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 2: has been able to compile here that I would say

1597
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 2: is pretty compelling. They all showed back up with severe injuries,

1598
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 2: including their feet were torn to shreds. So there was

1599
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 2: evidence of this alleged torture. And this woman who was

1600
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 2: appointed to investigate this as a prosecutor has now been

1601
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,759
Speaker 2: assassinated on the street in Ecuador. Her sister, who tried

1602
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 2: to say for life, was also killed. Her security detail

1603
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 2: that she was supposed to have, because it is unfortunately

1604
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 2: not uncommon for these types of investigators to be assassinated

1605
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:33,759
Speaker 2: in Ecuador, that security detail sager nowhere to be found.

1606
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 2: So pretty insane all the way around. Let me just

1607
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 2: read to you the beginning of this and I'll pull

1608
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 2: out some quotes so that you can get the full

1609
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 2: gist of the story and some of the evidence they

1610
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 2: compiled of these allegations. Alexandra Bravo, the prosecutor assigned to

1611
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 2: investigate US strikes on three Ecuadorian boats and the thirty

1612
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 2: six survivors subsequent accounts of torture and kidnapping, was shot

1613
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 2: dead in the cultural city of Monte last month. According

1614
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,719
Speaker 2: to police, on June fourteenth, a hitman aboard a black

1615
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 2: motive cycle open fire on Bravo as she and her

1616
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 2: sister were leaving a cafe at about eleven am. Bravo's sister,

1617
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 2: who jumped to protect her, was also killed in the attack.

1618
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 2: Upon arriving at the crime scene, officers say they found

1619
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 2: five nine millimeters shell casings and Bravo's injured driver, no

1620
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 2: sign of the police detail that had been assigned to

1621
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 2: protect her. The Police director at which operates entirely under

1622
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 2: the executive Branch, has launch approke to determine if there'd

1623
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 2: been an internal security breach. So part of the political

1624
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 2: backstory here too, Sager, is that the leader of Ecuador

1625
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 2: is very right wing and very much allied himself with

1626
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 2: the Trump administration, has wanted to be a part of

1627
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 2: I came remember what they call this thing, Southern Spear

1628
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 2: or something like that, which is the entire operation to

1629
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,560
Speaker 2: drone strike these these boats that they claim to be

1630
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 2: drug runners. Some have already been proven to have been

1631
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 2: just ordinary fishermen out there trying to earn a living.

1632
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,640
Speaker 2: So he's really tried to associate himself with that and

1633
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 2: be a big partner to the Trump administration in all

1634
01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 2: of this. And you know, while I mentioned before, it's

1635
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 2: not uncommon for these prosecutors to be assassinated in Ecuador,

1636
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 2: and she was handling some other sensitive cases, so we

1637
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 2: can't rule that out. We do know based on drop

1638
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 2: site reporting, she was under a lot of pressure with

1639
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 2: regards specifically to this investigation. They wanted her to really

1640
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 2: downplay what had happened here, even though you had the

1641
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:25,440
Speaker 2: testimony and the clear signs of torture among these survivors.

1642
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 2: She had just actually been taken off this case and reassigned.

1643
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 2: So if you look at where she was feeling the

1644
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 2: heat internally from the administration in An, Ecuador, it was

1645
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 2: this case that seemed to be the hottest button is Yeah,

1646
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was about to point out, is

1647
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 2: that recently she had just been taken off of the

1648
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 2: case inside of Ecuador.

1649
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: Also, Daniel, how do you say? His name? Is it

1650
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: Noboah Noboa? Guess where he was born? Miami? Interesting?

1651
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 3: Just you know, my own personal ghat against the city

1652
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 3: of Miami continues.

1653
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: So we continue to look inside of this.

1654
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 3: As you said, initially, I thought, look, is Latin America

1655
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 3: prosecutors get killed all the time. You know. They even

1656
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 3: open the story by saying that there have been multiple

1657
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 3: of these, you know, the twenty sixth member of Ecuador's

1658
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 3: justice system to be assassinated since twenty twenty. The second

1659
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 3: individual investigating state crimes murdered just that week. But it

1660
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 3: does seem very suspicious that she was killed at this

1661
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 3: exact moment when she had been taken off the case

1662
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 3: she had previously been fighting, investigating and releasing some of

1663
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 3: those details. There is obviously immense pressure from Washington, specifically

1664
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,520
Speaker 3: Marco Rubio what does he call himself, like the Viceroy

1665
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 3: of Venezuela. He runs the country from his cell phone,

1666
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 3: he gets Delsea Rodriguez. I mean, yeah, I mean this

1667
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 3: is where bringing in the Washington policy of these you know,

1668
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 3: cartoonish vassal states just is so ridiculous. Like this more

1669
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 3: recent beef between the US and the ICC, which doesn't

1670
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 3: even have anything to do with US, has everything to

1671
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 3: do with Israel. Withdrawing from the ICC, we're trying to

1672
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 3: pressure all these countries to go after the ICC. They're

1673
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 3: trying to get Venezuela. Now, Delsea Rodriguez saying, oh, actually,

1674
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 3: you know, we also no longer like the ICC, trying

1675
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 3: to connect it to Nicholas Maduro ironically, who is currently

1676
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 3: in an American prison. But when you link these things together,

1677
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 3: you can see Washington and Rubio specifically love to see

1678
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 3: themselves as the governors of these territories look at nineteenth

1679
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 3: century ambition, and in this case, they're putting immense pressure

1680
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 3: on these governments. They're like, we need this to go away, right,

1681
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 3: And as we just said, assassination of political justice figures

1682
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 3: in Latin America is commonplace unfortunately for them. And so

1683
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 3: it's very possible, you know, that she was killed either

1684
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 3: on orders or through a cutout or via pressure.

1685
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: Who knows exactly what was there, but we do know the.

1686
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 3: US has got a lot to lose if these stories

1687
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 3: become very public. Also, you know, just as we were talking,

1688
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 3: just to look at the big picture, a new report

1689
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 3: actually just came out from the DEA they had to

1690
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 3: testify before Congress. Cocaine traffic has not slowed whatsoever as resulting.

1691
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 3: Just in case anybody is wondering how it's going, Yeah,

1692
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 3: engage anybody's wondering morality.

1693
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 2: Of this aside of just randomly drone striking and murdering

1694
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 2: people who we suspect maybe involved in the drug trade,

1695
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 2: it's also not working. Even if that was you know,

1696
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 2: even if that pragmatic goal was enough for you to

1697
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 2: justify the immorality. Here put E three up on the

1698
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,839
Speaker 2: screen because this has some more details about the pressure

1699
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 2: that she was experiencing. So it's, by the way, fantastic report.

1700
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 2: Shout out to this reporter. She did such a thorough job.

1701
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 2: She writes here. A source inside the Manta Police Department

1702
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 2: who knew Bravo personally told Drop Site that the Ecuadorian

1703
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 2: prosecutor was under pressure from her superiors at the Attorney

1704
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 2: General's office to treat the US attacks as exclusively cases

1705
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 2: of disappearance. The source, who asked for an anemity said

1706
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 2: Bravo was told to close all lines of inquiry after

1707
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 2: thirty six of the forty four missing men were found,

1708
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 2: despite arriving with the severe injuries including seventy percent vision loss,

1709
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 2: feet torn to flesh and bone, which medical experts found

1710
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 2: consistent with their accounts of explosions and torture. So let

1711
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 2: me just remind again what the allegations here are allegations are,

1712
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 2: and this is three separate boats that we're talking about,

1713
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 2: and the survivors from those collectively three boats that were

1714
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 2: subject to drone strikes very similar pattern in terms of

1715
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:30,759
Speaker 2: the appearance of the drones the explosions, then very similar

1716
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 2: stories about being abducted by these men wearing military uniforms

1717
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 2: on a US flagship and being tortured and kidnapped for

1718
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 2: eight days before being dumped in a country that is

1719
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 2: not even their home country. What are we doing here? Again?

1720
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 2: The UIs denis allegations, but their accounts are very consistent,

1721
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 2: and drop site has compiled significant evidence that would point

1722
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 2: to the US as having kidnapped these guys and then

1723
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 2: tortured them, as if trying to murder them wasn't bad

1724
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 2: enough to begin with. This is so completely insane, and

1725
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 2: you can imagine why we would do it, because this

1726
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 2: is all very uncomfortable. When they don't die and they

1727
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 2: live and they can tell their stories about Hey, guess what,

1728
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 2: I'm not a drug runner. I'm just trying to earn

1729
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 2: a living here like a random fisherman. They don't want

1730
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 2: those stories to get out, so they are trying to

1731
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 2: terrify and intimidate these people, and in many instances that

1732
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 2: has worked. Let me show you a little bit of

1733
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 2: the evidence that they compiled here, and I really you

1734
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 2: got to read the whole piece because there's a lot

1735
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 2: more to it than just this piece that I'm going

1736
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 2: to show you. Put E four up on the screen.

1737
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 2: They obtained exclusive video of US Coast Guard activity in

1738
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 2: the vicinity of the Negro Francisco bombing. That's one of

1739
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 2: the boats that was bombed. Open source intelligence that corroborates

1740
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 2: the testimonies and police interviews with eyewitnesses that confirm the

1741
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 2: US involvement alleged by survivors and documented by drop site

1742
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 2: with the help of Air Wars OCID analysts and former

1743
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 2: US Marine Corps member Tommy McClusky. Drop Site access additional

1744
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 2: NASA thermal imagery assistant with the Negrot Francisco bombing, and

1745
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 2: vessel tracking data placing the US Coast Guard activity along

1746
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 2: the route the fishermen say they were taken after the

1747
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 2: strike at play. Here is a particular US Coast Guard

1748
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 2: vessel which was in the vicinity, turns off their tracker

1749
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 2: so that you can't see where they're moving, and then

1750
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 2: turns it back on in an area where, again, if

1751
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 2: the survivors are telling the truth, where it would make sense. Okay,

1752
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 2: they were the ones who came, who apprehended, kidnapped these individuals,

1753
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 2: tortured them, took them back to El Salvador and dumped

1754
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 2: them there. The tracking data that we have access to,

1755
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 2: and the very fact that they turned off that tracking

1756
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 2: data for a time is relatively telling. And then you

1757
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 2: do have some eyewitnesses who weren't on the boats, who

1758
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 2: were in the area, whose accounts are consistent with what

1759
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 2: the survivors have said. So there's a lot here that

1760
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 2: indicates that what they're saying happened is in fact the truth.

1761
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 3: Right, And I mean, looking through generally with all of this,

1762
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 3: it just highlighted the sheer, I think insanity of that

1763
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:06,600
Speaker 3: entire camp. We've been so focused on Iran. That campaign

1764
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 3: was insane from the beginning. It's still and then right,

1765
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 3: it's still ongoing, but we covered it, and you know,

1766
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,919
Speaker 3: every single day when we were going Venezuela drug dealers,

1767
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 3: all this bullshit nonsense. All I would do was look

1768
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 3: at the DEA twenty twenty five report and say, Trump's

1769
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 3: DEA says less than seven percent of the world's cocaine

1770
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 3: even touches Venezuela.

1771
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 1: To the extent that it does touch.

1772
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 3: Venezuela, it's not coming to the United States, it's usually

1773
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 3: going to Europe. And then in terms of fentanyl, the

1774
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 3: number of the amount of fenchanyl coming through is zero.

1775
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:38,640
Speaker 3: They talk about trendy Argua, even their own report, the

1776
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 3: DEA report, trendy Aragua never rose above street level dealing.

1777
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 3: It's the Mexican cartels. So if you care about fentanyl,

1778
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 3: it's all coming through Mexico. They can't actually touch Mexico

1779
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 3: because of NAFTA and because of all the trade coming through.

1780
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 3: So we can try, you know, all these little diplomatic things,

1781
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 3: but the end of the day, nothing is actually going

1782
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 3: to happen with that. So they had to focus there

1783
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 3: on Venezuela and use it as a cover these drone

1784
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 3: strikes of like dum civilians, which we now see with

1785
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 3: the girls school strike and all the other strikes happening

1786
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 3: in Iran. Doesn't look like our target set or identification

1787
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 3: is all that good. And then on top of that,

1788
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 3: we remember all the script was written in this campaign

1789
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 3: for Iran, the double tap strike, remember kill them all

1790
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 3: order that was given by Hegseeth after this drone strike,

1791
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 3: the multiple testimony of the fishermen and others, all of

1792
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,600
Speaker 3: which just like with Iran, immoral wrong to do. But

1793
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 3: also it didn't even touch what it allegedly was about

1794
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 3: so foolish, foolhardy turning the people obviously of the region

1795
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 3: against us and now resorting to sixties and seventies Latin

1796
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 3: America dictatorial prop ups, which of course have never come

1797
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 3: back to bite us and the ass whenever it comes

1798
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 3: to our old strategy.

1799
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 13: So it is just.

1800
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 3: Begs belief that we even did it in the first place.

1801
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 3: And I do think that looking back, it was such

1802
01:28:56,200 --> 01:29:00,080
Speaker 3: an important thing for elevating Trump's confidence, this and the

1803
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 3: Maduro raid, for how we can really accomplish youran and

1804
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 3: now with the you know, the with nearly a year

1805
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 3: or so. Now later we can be like, it's such

1806
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 3: an obvious failure.

1807
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it happened. But of course nobody will even.

1808
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 2: Well, not only that that he could do it and

1809
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 2: get away with it. Yeah, you know, I mean that's

1810
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 2: that's part of it too. And just to speak to

1811
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 2: that broader picture, let's put E five up on the screen.

1812
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 2: The Guardian partnered I think it was with uh pro Publica.

1813
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 2: In any case, they partnered. No, it was a joint

1814
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:28,679
Speaker 2: effort by twenty journalists led by the Latin American Center

1815
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 2: for Investigative Journalism. They published identities of thirteen of those

1816
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 2: who've been killed in these drone strikes. There's roughly one

1817
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety four victims of these drone strike and

1818
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 2: so they put enormous investigative efforts into finding, Okay, who

1819
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 2: were these who were these men?

1820
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 1: Right?

1821
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 2: Who were the people that were being randomly killed by

1822
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 2: the US. And what they find is none of them

1823
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 2: could they definitively say they were involved in drug running,

1824
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 2: but some of them, they looked at the pattern behavior,

1825
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 2: it's possible these were even the guys who were potentially

1826
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 2: involved in moving drugs. These were like deeply impoverished, desperate

1827
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,719
Speaker 2: people in some of the poorest parts of the region.

1828
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 2: You're not taken out kingpins here, right, even in the

1829
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 2: ones where maybe they were moving drugs. You're taking out

1830
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 2: the low level people who are easily replaced that are

1831
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:24,480
Speaker 2: a dime a dozen because you have such desperate circumstances.

1832
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 2: So that's why you're never going to move the needle

1833
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 2: with this strategy. You know, you're not taking out the

1834
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 2: top dogs. They're not the ones that are doing this

1835
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 2: dirty work. And then in some instances they were not

1836
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,759
Speaker 2: involved with drugs at all. They were just living their life.

1837
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 2: They were fishermen trying to ecount a living and doing

1838
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 2: the best that they possibly could. What they also found

1839
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 2: is that it appears and by the way, the US

1840
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 2: military has never identified any of the people that they

1841
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 2: have murdered with these drone strikes. What it appears they

1842
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 2: do is they look at the boat itself and if

1843
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,679
Speaker 2: there are hallmarks of maybe potentially it's involved in drug trades.

1844
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 2: So it's not like they know these people are there's

1845
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 2: a case built against them, and then they're going out

1846
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 2: and doing it. I was still object by the way,

1847
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 2: because you know, the sentence is not shouldn't be death

1848
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 2: for cocaine trafficking, But in any case, that's not what

1849
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 2: they're doing here. They're just looking at the hallmarks of

1850
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 2: potentially and then going in with these drone strikes. And

1851
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 2: then if they're survivors, according to these particular survivors, they're

1852
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 2: picking them up and they're torturing them so that they

1853
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 2: won't tell the tale of what happened to them. They

1854
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:28,559
Speaker 2: won't tell their story, they won't file a lawsuit, which

1855
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 2: is what a few of the family members of the

1856
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 2: people who have been killed have done. So it is

1857
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 2: just a you know, as disgusting and counterproductive and nonsensical

1858
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 2: a policy as you could possibly imagine here.

1859
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, the entire thing it just is so it

1860
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 3: was stupid from the beginning. It was a bad use

1861
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:50,799
Speaker 3: of resources, it didn't work, It set the United States

1862
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 3: back in terms of how we should actually approach Latin America,

1863
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,639
Speaker 3: and then it set the stage for the insane Maduro operation,

1864
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 3: which ultimately is the script that led to this Iran operation.

1865
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 3: And in the meantime, as you just said, the only

1866
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 3: people who suffer are the extremely poor you know, civilians

1867
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 3: or in many case fishermen, or at the very least,

1868
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 3: the so called drug dealers, while the actual cartel leaders

1869
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 3: at the top are sitting pretty in Mexico completely untouched

1870
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 3: who you know, if anything, they don't care at all

1871
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 3: about some random fishermen who's out in the middle of

1872
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:22,759
Speaker 3: the Caribbean.

1873
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, you know, the leader of

1874
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 2: Ecuador Noboa has his own ties to high level ties

1875
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 2: to the it's Latin America cartels. But you know, this

1876
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 2: is our buddy. We're working with him, and then we're

1877
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 2: you know, murdering these random fishermen, you know, torturing them,

1878
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 2: et cetera. It's just could not be more disgusting.

1879
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 3: Okay, I am going to step off now. Ryan is

1880
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 3: going to come in and Crystal and him are going

1881
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 3: to interview Kashamas On. I will be out tomorrow, going

1882
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:49,680
Speaker 3: to be in New York City, but I will be

1883
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 3: back on Thursday for the show, So we'll see you

1884
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 3: all later