1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You from how Supports 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline. Caroline. Maybe we should call this the 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: podcast Caroline. I got some weed puns and I'm not 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: afraid to use I know. I look forward to this 6 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: entire episode being peppered sprinkled with with puns. And I 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: would also like to note that Caroline is decked out 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: in green today totally by accident. Sure you are, uh. 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: First of all, though, before we get into this women 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: in Weed conversation, I would like to dedicate this episode 11 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: to our San Francisco lady listeners, some of whom are 12 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: participate in weed farming and have reported to us. So 13 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: they listened to Stuff Mom Never Told You while they 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: are trim and buds. So ladies were thinking of you 15 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: right now. So with that, let's talk a little bit 16 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: about the history of marijuana, specifically in the United States, 17 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: because a global history with most space it would just 18 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: take too long. Yeah, that would be an entire episode 19 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: by itself. Um, it did originate in China, we think anyway. Anyway, 20 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: what's interesting about marijuana and the history of its use 21 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: and growth is that policies around it, attitudes around it 22 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: have really kind of ebbed and flowed over the years. 23 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: It's never it hasn't been one straight trajectory in in 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: a negative direction like we like we tend to view 25 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: it today. It's kind of been up and down. Starting 26 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: in the seventeenth century, if you look at the American colonies, 27 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: the production of himp was actually encouraged for use in 28 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: rope sales and clothing, and years and years later George 29 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: Washington and Jefferson actually grew it. Yeah, and I'm the 30 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: first draft of the Declaration of Independence was actually written 31 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: on hemp paper, which I'm sure marijuana enthusias probably already 32 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: know and our fist pumping too right now. Um, And 33 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: just to clarify, hemp prefers to the stocks, stems, and 34 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: sterilized seeds of cannabis sativa. Marijuana is the leaves, flowers, 35 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: and the vible seeds of that plant. So there, it's 36 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: like different words for different parts of the plant. Right. Well, 37 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: So looking at the nineteenth century and the way they 38 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: viewed and used cannabis, they used it in more of 39 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: a medical way. Uh. Cannabis became a really popular ingredient 40 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of medical products and was sold in pharmacies. 41 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: It was so popular for medical use, in fact, that 42 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: Queen Victoria's personal physician prescribed a hemp solution to help 43 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: relieve her painful minstrel cramps. Yeah, we found a lot 44 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: of fascinating cultural history of marijuana and his she's smoking 45 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: and weed smoking for Martin A. Lee's book Smoke Signals 46 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: the Social History of Marijuana, and he noted that in 47 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: eighteen forty two, an Irish guy named William O'Shaughnessy published 48 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: the first modern medical article about cannabis to appear in 49 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: a British scientific journals and it was read though by 50 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: both people in the UK and uh in the fledgling 51 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: United States. And he noted though that the general effects 52 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: of him which he had traveled to India and this 53 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: was where he first saw people smoking hashish and marijuana, 54 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: and he described the side effects as perpetual giggling, ravenous appetite, 55 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: a sensation of ascending mental exultation. And he also emphasized 56 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: it's potent painkilling effects and called it an anti convulsive 57 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: remedy of the greatest value. Well, so that sounds like 58 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: a pretty good pain remedy, a pretty good medical answer 59 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: to to a lot of ailments. Sounds like a wonder 60 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: drug to make Caroline interesting. Well, yeah, even sweetheart. Louisa 61 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: may Alcott in eighteen sixty nine wrote a short story 62 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: depicting the recreational use of cannabis, not not a medical use, 63 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: not you know, making sales out of hemp, but just 64 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, hanging out, yeah, smoking marijuana. Well, they weren't 65 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: even smoking. This story made me laugh because they were 66 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: using early edibles. They were bond bonds laced with pot 67 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: that a doctor like profered to this board. So she 68 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: likes she was like, I need some excitement in my life. 69 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: And this doctor was like, why don't you eat some weed? Yeah, 70 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: I'm picturing like, I'm picturing some man with a like 71 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: a nefarious looking man with a mustache and a cape. Yes, 72 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: like here, and he opened his cape and he's got 73 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: all these brownies tucked inside exactly and coming from Luisa 74 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: may Alcott, you know, well, so I mean, continuing the 75 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: shift in attitudes, It's really interesting to see what happens 76 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: starting in the twentieth century, because we get good old 77 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: fashioned racism changing the way we you and use marijuana. Yeah, 78 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: I mean. Martin A. Lee notes in his book that 79 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: by the end of the nineteenth century, smoking ishies was 80 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: really seen as a stylish bohemian thing to do. Upper 81 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: class people would go to lounges and get stoned. And 82 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: it really wasn't until you have more Mexican immigrants entering 83 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: the US and the Mexican Revolution in nineteen ten that 84 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: you start seeing all of these just like all of 85 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: this anti marijuana propaganda coming out talking about how Mexicans 86 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: are smoking it and it gives them superhuman strength and 87 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: they would just become these killing machines, and they're giving 88 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: it to school children. Really, a lot of kinds, like 89 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: a lot of scare tactics were still kind of here today, right, 90 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: And it's you know, we we see this a lot 91 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: in various social stigma areas where something terrible is going 92 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: on in society and we pin our fears on us 93 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: gapegoat group. And in this case, it was the foreigners, 94 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: the Spanish speaking foreigners who who scared us. Because when 95 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: you look at the nine thirties, you know, we have 96 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: the Great Depression going on, you have massive unemployment. This 97 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: increases public resentment of these immigrants and it escalates concern 98 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: both about the immigrants themselves and this mariljuana cigarettes that 99 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: they're smoking. Yeah, they called it the marijuana Menace. And 100 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: just for one brief geographical note, the way that marijuanna 101 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: kind of worked its way, like from Mexico into the 102 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: United States is that essentially what they think happened is 103 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: slaves who were brought over to Brazil brought cannabis seeds 104 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: with them, and then from Brazil it's sort of snuck 105 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: its way up all the way to Mexico and then 106 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: into the United States. Because you know, when George Washington 107 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: was growing all this hemp and there was just hemp everywhere, 108 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: a lot of people weren't smoking it just because they 109 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: didn't know you could smoke it. So and meanwhile you 110 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: have people like William O'Shaughnessy going to India and seeing 111 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: people smoke She's like a different form of marijuana, and 112 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: then bringing that over. So then everything starts to combine 113 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: and there's this terrifying marijuana minute. It's just a it's 114 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: it's slimer. It's just slimer, which is appropriate for the 115 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: green color. Well, so then in the nineteen thirties you 116 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: start you start to see a lot of dominoes falling 117 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: as far as policy is concerned. Uh. In nineteen thirty 118 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: the Federal Bureau of Narcotics is created and Henry j. 119 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: Anslinger serves as first commissioner. By nine thirty one, twenty 120 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: nine states had already outlawed marijuana, and side note, in 121 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six, that's when we get the propaganda film 122 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: Reefer Madness, and an singer, by the way, was really 123 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: intense in his dislike of marijuana, and he also, in 124 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: a similarly racist bent to that anti Mexican immigrants sentiment, 125 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: also was on the lookout specifically for black musicians of 126 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: the jazz movement who were also into weed. Um. And 127 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: he actually kept a special file called Marijuana and Musicians, 128 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: keeping tabs on people like Louis Armstrong, Count Basie, Jimmy Dorsey, 129 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: and Duke Ellington. Interesting. Yeah, So in nineteen thirty seven, 130 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: two things happened. One Congress passes the Marijuana Tax Act, 131 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: which effectively criminalizes marijuana, restricting possession of the drug to 132 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: people who paid an excise tax for certain authorized medical 133 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: and industrial uses. So still we're seeing that, Okay, some 134 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: medical uses are okay, but we're seeing a move towards 135 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: kind of outlawing marijuana basically, but also in nineteen thirty seven, 136 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: Anslinger pins the unintentionally hilarious essay Marijuana the Assassin of Youth. 137 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: I tell you what I mean. The thing is the 138 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: way Anslinger describes the effects of marijuana. It sounds as 139 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: I was reading it last night, I read a part 140 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: out loud to my boyfriend. He was like that drug 141 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: sounds amazing whatever it is, because it's like he's like, 142 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: marijuana will turn you into someone who will dance all 143 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: night and forget their cares. I obviously that's someone who's 144 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: never smoked. Well. But then he follows it up with 145 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: and then you kill yourself? Or do you turn into 146 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: some kind of murderous monster? Right? Yeah, Like from the 147 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: very beginning of that essay, he's he's painting young girls, 148 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: is like this vulnerable population, because he says, he describes 149 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: this this crime scene and it's the sprawled out body 150 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: of a young girl crushed on the sidewalk after a 151 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,239 Speaker 1: plunge from an apartment house. Everybody called it a suicide, 152 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: but actually it was murder. The killer was a narcotic 153 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: known to America as marijuana and to history as hashish. 154 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: And it is around this time we start to see more, 155 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 1: in like the forties, fifties and sixties, these dubious studies 156 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: linking marijuana to all sorts of criminal activity. Ay, and 157 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: not criminal activity in the sense of like organized crime 158 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: rings or drug rings, I should say, but criminal activity 159 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: in terms of kids smoking a joint and then just 160 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: breaking windows and you know, jumping off buildings and sort 161 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: of the same thing too. It reminds me of that 162 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: classic anti drug p s A starring a very young 163 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: Helen Hunt, where she smokes PCP and then jumps out 164 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: the window. A lot of I mean, like a lot 165 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: of the symptoms they were associated with marijuana were a 166 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: lot more like things that you might more plausibly see 167 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: in as side effects of drugs like PCP, right, yeah, 168 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: they yeah, scare tactics. Yeah. So through the nineteen fifties 169 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: and sixties, marijuana gets more popular with the counterculture. Of course, 170 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: think about you know, Summer of Love. Hippie is free love, 171 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But at the same time that it's 172 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: getting more popular with hippies, it's also making inroads into 173 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: the living rooms of the white upper classes, So it's 174 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: definitely kind of an equal opportunity substance. But in the 175 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, we after all of that stuff with an 176 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: Slinger and the Marijuana Tacks Act, we see efforts to 177 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: lessons sentences and decriminalize marijuana, alongside more conservative social movements 178 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: to get rid of it and say that it's a 179 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: terrible influence on all of our young people. Yeah. In 180 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, famed anthropologist Margaret Mead actually testified book 181 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: for Congress that yes, she had tried it and that 182 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: it should be legalized. And I did not know before 183 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: researching for this podcast, Caroline. There's actually a congressionally appointed 184 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: a committee that looked into all of the research on 185 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: marijuana and all the laws, and they recommended to President 186 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: Nixon that he should decriminalize it. And he was like, nope, 187 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: I am not a crook and I'm not going to 188 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: decriminalized weed. And that was my Nixon impression. That's right, 189 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: she's waving peace signs in the year right now. Um. 190 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: But so it's it's interesting that the things that are 191 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: happening parallel to one another in the nineteen seventies, because 192 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: in seventy three, the d e A is founded, and 193 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: a year later, in seventy four, you have High Times founded, 194 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: which is a publication for buy and four marijuana ficionados. Yeah. 195 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: I think the original concept for it was Playboy Marijuana. Yeah, 196 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: so you have like centerfolds of plants instead of ladies, 197 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: or you have naked or nearly naked ladies with marijuana 198 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: nuggets covering unmentionable areas their bathing suit areas, their bathing 199 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: suit areas. Right, and actually we won't get into it yet. 200 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: Well we'll talk about this later, but that whole use 201 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: of naked women or scantily clad women in High Times 202 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: plays into what marijuana culture would become. But so in 203 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: seventies six, you have a lot of conservative parents groups 204 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: lobbying for stricter regulations of of marijuana and the prevention 205 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: of dragon by teenagers, and a lot of those groups 206 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: ended up becoming very influential, helping to shape a lot 207 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: of policies that we saw develop in the nineteen eighties. Yeah, 208 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: there was actually a milestone event in this anti marijuana 209 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: backlash that happened here and on podcast Backyards Caroline and Atlanta. 210 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: Apparently in August of nineteen seventies six, there was this 211 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: birthday party for I think it was the squirrel's twelfth 212 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: birthday or something. And the way the story was recounted, 213 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: it sounds very strange, so I'm curious to no more 214 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: details about it. But apparently the squirrel's parents, ron and 215 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: Marsha Mannett, went out into their backyard after the party 216 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: goers had went gone home, had flashlights and we're searching 217 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: through the grass and found all of these like joint 218 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: roaches and other paraphernalia, and a lot of like malt liquor. 219 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: And because they were so enraged by the use of 220 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: drugs even more so I guess in the alcohol, they 221 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: formed the Nosy Parents Association, and that effectively kicked off 222 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: this massive conservative parent led backlash against marijuana because they said, 223 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: my daughter was turning twelve years old and people were 224 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: smoking joints. Here I am again President Nixon apparently, but uh. 225 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: And and that set off this chain of events to 226 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: six with Ronald Reagan signing the Anti Drug Abuse Act, 227 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: which ratcheted everything back way way up, and then some 228 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: for weed laws. Yeah, we'd became on par with heroin 229 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: in terms of like being accused of crimes and being 230 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: sentenced for crimes well, and considering how dangerous it was, 231 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: saying that marijuana is as dangerous as heroin, I mean, 232 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: that's just a that's a that's quite a leap. That 233 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: just sounds like more people who have never smoked marijuana 234 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: than In ninety nine, we have George Bush, the first 235 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: his War on drug starting, and in we see that 236 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: California voters. And it's interesting because as goes California, so 237 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: goes the rest of the country. California voters passed Prop 238 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: to fifteen, allowing for the sale and medical use of 239 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: marijuana for patients with AIDS, cancer, and other serious and 240 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: painful diseases. So you can see that throughout history, nobody 241 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: has ever really denied those very very very early opinions 242 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: on marijuana that they were helpful or cannabis, that it 243 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: was helpful for painful conditions or just to help you sleep. Yeah, 244 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: and um. Today though, even though we have for instance, 245 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: most recently in two thousand twelve, Washington in Colorado voting 246 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: to legalize marijuana, and still in California, if you have 247 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: a medical marijuana license, you can buy it from dispensaries, 248 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: but it is still classified as a Schedule one drug, 249 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: which means that federally speaking, you no matter what state 250 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: you live in, federal law puts it on par with 251 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: drugs like heroin, LST and ecstasy. Yeah. They they claim 252 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: also if it's a Schedule on drug, that means that 253 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: it has no current accepted medical use in the US 254 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: and a high potential for abuse, which you know, goes 255 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: against a lot of other things that a lot of 256 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: other people have said, which basically means that pot is 257 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: somehow worse than cocaine and meth. Yeah, because what they're 258 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: saying is that there have been medicinal uses somehow four 259 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: derivatives of those other drugs, even though you do have UH. 260 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: For instance, a synthetic THHC product called Marinal, which has 261 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: been developed specifically to help control nausea and vomiting side 262 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,119 Speaker 1: effects from things like chemotherapy, and also to stimulate appetite 263 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: and AIDS patients. In Marinal was labeled as a Schedule 264 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: three drug, meaning it as a moderate to low potential 265 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: for physical and psychological dependence. UM And one thing I 266 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: wish I had written down the name of the specific drug, 267 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: but it's not a synthetic THHD product. It is actually UM, 268 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: a THHD compound derived straight from marijuana that Georgia lawmakers 269 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: are actually trying to make legal in this state, which 270 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: is notable simply because Georgia is so conservative. I mean, hello, 271 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: we're the birthplace of the nosy parents society, right, Um, 272 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: But there these lawmakers are saying that it's important force. 273 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: I think it's helping for side effects for kids with 274 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: um seizure seizures, And of course other lawmakers argue, well, 275 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: this is a slippery slope towards putting a joint in 276 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: the hand of every school child in Georgia, which you're nope. 277 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: But even um, I mean not to get too much 278 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: off on a local politics tangent, but even conservative Governor 279 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: Nathan Deal, because the marijuana, the medical marijuana thing failed, 280 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: even Deal has said that he would try to work 281 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: something out, kind of working around the legislature. So even 282 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: Nathan Deal sees the benefit of helping children who have 283 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:09,239 Speaker 1: these life threatening seizures. But anyway, speaking of its medical use, 284 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: medical marijuana is legal in twenty states and d C. 285 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: So there's something to it. And before we get into gender, 286 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: because I have a feeling some of our listeners have 287 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: been like, what, well, what about women and weed. He said, 288 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: this is gonna be women and weed. Don't worry. There 289 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: is so much to talk about in terms of gender 290 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: women in marijuana. But before we get into our midroal break, 291 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: I just want to first run down quickly today who 292 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: is smoking weed in the United States. Well, according to 293 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, eighteen 294 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: point one million Americans over twelve years old in two 295 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: thousand ten said that yes, they had smoked pot in 296 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: the past thirty days, over fifty percent. Now, according to 297 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: the a c l U of Americans also support the 298 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: legalization of marijuana and inteen if you look at older Americans, 299 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: thirty eight percent of adults say that they've tried it, 300 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: and the average age of smoking marijuana for the first 301 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: time as of two thousand twelve was seventeen point nine years. 302 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: But and now we will lead into gender, Caroline, men 303 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: are twice as likely to report smoking it. So let's 304 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: get into the gender of marijuana consumption when we come 305 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: right back from a quick break and now back to 306 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: the show. Okay, so right before the break, Christien was 307 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: giving you a breakdown of who is smoking marijuana in 308 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: the US, and she did mention that guys are a 309 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: lot more likely than women to say that they have 310 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: smoked marijuana. Um, but let's let's talk a little bit 311 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: about age first, because that that gender gap and they're 312 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: is one, uh definitely appears right out of the gate. 313 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: So we found a lot of studies basically looking at 314 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: the gender breakdown among adolescents because as a studying sex 315 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: roles from points out, marijuana is conspicuous as a token 316 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: of leisure and sociability in adolescent culture, and adolescents tend 317 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: to get it from their peers. And one of the 318 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: other studies we looked at from the Journal of Addictive 319 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: Medication and twenty eleven pointed out that while males guys, 320 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: male adolescents are more likely to use marijuana, girls transition 321 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: from first use to regular use faster than guys do. 322 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: Although they cite previous research, mail adolescents are more likely 323 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: to become dependent in the first few years after initiation. 324 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: So there you have the development of more dudes are 325 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: doing it. And if you look at overall numbers though, 326 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: of high schoolers who have smoked pot, forty two per 327 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: scent of high school seniors said that they had used 328 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: marijuana at some point in their lives according to two 329 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: thousand eight data. And if you look at the gender 330 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: breakdown of that, I mean, the percentage of boys versus 331 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: girls who have tried pot in say middle school or 332 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: high school, is it huge. Uh. They found twenty nine 333 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: percent of the guys that they pulled said that they 334 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: had smoked pot in the past year compared to of girls. 335 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: So there's clearly a little you know, a few more 336 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: guys who are doing it. But was even more significant 337 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,719 Speaker 1: is that a lot of times, Carol and you mentioned 338 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: that a lot of times these kids will get weed 339 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: from other kids, and it's usually boy kids and they're 340 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: getting the weed from And there was even in that 341 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: sexual study. Um, what they did was essentially said up 342 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: these focus groups with kids, asking them about times that 343 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: they had smoked pot, what their perceptions were of girls 344 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: and guys who smoked pot, and basically said that if 345 00:21:55,520 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: a girl is smoking pot, she's usually kind of a 346 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: you know, one girl among many guys, and that it's 347 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: considered more of a guy thing and not very uh, 348 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: not very ladylike. Should we say, well, that's something I mean, 349 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: that's something that somebody actually said, like, you know, I 350 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: somebody was saying my mother told me not to do 351 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: it because it wasn't the ladylike thing to do. That 352 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: this is something that just stoner guys do. Women are 353 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: supposed to hold it together. But um, yeah, that sex 354 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: roles study from from nine was talking about how these 355 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: traditional roles, these boxes that were in limit girls in 356 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: their access to that particular form of leisure. It's supposed 357 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: to be just a guy thing, and if girls are 358 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: doing it, oh well, they must be kind of their 359 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: floozies pots pots, going back to little reefer madness, right. 360 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: But I found it interesting too that when these researchers 361 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: in that Journal of Addictive Medications study, we're looking at 362 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: the demographics of who was smoking poe in high school. 363 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: They found that white girls essentially were among all of 364 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: the girls, had the highest likelihood of doing it. Which 365 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: is in contrast too, if you look at arrest numbers 366 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: for marijuana offenses, African Americans four times as likely to 367 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: be arrested, even though especially if you move into the 368 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: adult populations, they're not smoking it anymore than white people 369 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: are smoking it. Yeah, and among adolescent males, African American 370 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: or Hispanic and Latino ethnicity was associated with greater odds 371 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: of past thirty day use in that study, so there 372 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: is a divide there as well. And one thing about 373 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: this episode we should point out we're not going to 374 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: get into deeply into the health aspects of marijuana. We're 375 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: not going to debate whether or not it's healthy or 376 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: unhealthy to smoke marijuana compared to drinking alcohol um. But 377 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: we should note, especially for younger populations, a lot of 378 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: these studies are focused on the concern of kids smoking 379 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: pot because you would think, with developing brains and all, 380 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: that probably not a great idea for kids to be 381 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: smoking pot. And most of these studies tend to find 382 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: negative behavioral correlates to adolescent pot use, such as having 383 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: lower grades or having behavioral problems girls in particular dealing 384 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: with anxiety and depression, which I have a feeling you 385 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: would see reflected also in the adult female population who's 386 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: smoking pot UM. But then you also get into issues 387 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: of correlation versus causation that a lot of these studies 388 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: don't really address very much. So if you look just 389 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: at all of these study abstracts, it does make it 390 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: look a little marijuana menace ee saying that only bad 391 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: kids are smoking weed and smoking weed makes kids bad, 392 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: whereas it's probably a variable in a whole cocktail of 393 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: things happening. Exactly, Yeah, totally. Well, if we look at 394 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: those adolescent girls as they grow up, they are playing 395 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: a major part in this conversation that a lot of 396 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: people are having today around kind of marijuana, the use 397 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: of it, the whole industry as a whole um, especially 398 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: since we tend to have this stereotype of of pot 399 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: smokers as being you know, the Big Lebowski. Yeah, I 400 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: mean there's the whole trope of and he's usually white, 401 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: which is also important. We'll get into that as well, 402 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: but the whole trope of a slacker stoner dude. I mean, 403 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: just think about all of the movies you have, Half 404 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: Baked Friday, the Big Lebowski, Pineapple Express. This is the 405 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: end um. I may or may not when I was 406 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: in high school have seen the movie How High starring 407 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: method Man in the theater and what what else are 408 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: you gonna do on a Friday night? Um? But there, 409 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's endless. And when there are girl 410 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: or even in Knocked Up, where Seth Rogan and his 411 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: friends are always hanging out taking bong rips and meanwhile 412 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: the women are busy getting their lives together. Yeah, the 413 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: women are all nags. They're busy getting their lives together. 414 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: They're not partake partaking in the pot smoking. And mcclan's 415 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: magazine in March looked at that, looked at that division 416 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: of how like, if there is a stone er, if 417 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: there's a male stoner character, there are no apologies for 418 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: his behavior. You sort of accept him as he is, 419 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: and it's okay because he's a lovable guy. He's hanging 420 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: out in his basketball shorts just smoking pot and eat 421 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: and Dorrito's and that's okay, that's what we expect. And 422 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: it's also that these guys, like christ and said, are 423 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: normally white, so it's it's safe because it's not playing 424 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: off of what we like stereo dangerous stereotypes. Yeah, because 425 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: if you look in pop culture at weed among white guys, 426 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: it's this sort of lovable, soft slacker dude, Whereas if 427 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: you look at pop culture stereotypes of weed and black guys, 428 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: it's usually tied into crime or portrayals of gang activity, 429 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: or they're the ones who are dealing to the slack 430 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: or white guys. And this is something that sociologist Wendy 431 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: Chapkiss addressed in her essay called the Trouble with Mary 432 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: Jane's Gender that she wrote in a and she said quote, 433 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: the slacker attitude relies on a mismatch between expectation and condition. 434 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: This is why it's most available to white, hetero men 435 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: with some measure of class privilege. And so yet again 436 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: you still kind of see in a way echoes of 437 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: that early twentieth century racism that first planted the seeds 438 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: in the American public's mind as marijuana being you know, 439 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: something something bad, something that you know these other people 440 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: would do, not not our, you know, our good, upright 441 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: American citizens. And yet now with white guys doing it, 442 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 1: it is sort of like been the trope has been 443 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: molded to wear. It's not necessarily acceptable, but kind of 444 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: lovable and acceptable. Who doesn't love the dude? But women? Yeah, 445 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: but women aren't really afforded that. And so, in talking 446 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: about the show the new show broad City, mcclean's point, 447 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: mcclean's magazine points out that you know, here to women 448 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: who are kind of paving the way in somewhat because 449 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: they're not making apologies for their behavior. And they even 450 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: mentioned screenwriter Jamie Denbo's Best Buds, a stoner comedy that 451 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: she's developing with Natalie Portman, and she was telling Jezebel 452 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: back in two that it's kind of her cause to 453 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: prove that, uh, women can smoke weed too and have 454 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: fun and still be like contributing members of society. Yeah, 455 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: I mean, because if you think about, for instance, how 456 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: prominent role that alcohol plays in a you know, the 457 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: most seminal female show of all time, can we call 458 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: it Sex in the City, where they tend to go 459 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: out at least one steering every show, they have their 460 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, their Cosmopolitans and have signature drinks that they get, 461 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: and it's interesting to see how, I mean, weed doesn't 462 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: play as prominent role I would say in broad City, 463 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: but nonetheless you have a Lana an Abby Abbey openly 464 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: smoking weed or looking for weed, and it's kind of 465 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: treated in the same kind of way as going out 466 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: and getting cosmos is among Carrie and the gals, which 467 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: is sort of a refreshing twist. And another thing too 468 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: that's also refreshing about broad cities portrayal of this is 469 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: that a lot of times in those like Stoner Dude 470 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: kind of comedies. They might have a token girl who's 471 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: also a stoner, but she's usually seen as sort of pathetic. 472 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: The fact that she would be playing video games and 473 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: eating cheetos all days, like, oh poor thing. But for 474 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: a lot of abbey is just like what, Yeah, they're 475 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: they're hilarious and they're just gonna smoke. Yeah, and that 476 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: whole you know, pathetic girl on the couch is is 477 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: definitely one portrayal of women in weed culled. Sure. Another 478 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: kind of unfortunately, in my opinion, is the bikini bud tenders. 479 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: These women who are being hired by pot dispensaries to 480 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: show we like their bud light girls like you know, 481 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: just a little bikinis or nurse outfits. These are also 482 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: the women who were at conferences and conventions trying to 483 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: answer questions or just posing for pictures with fans. Yeah, 484 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: it reminded me of our craft beer episode that came 485 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: out recently and how you have, uh, these women who 486 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 1: are starting to brew their own beer and start up 487 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: labels and are actually making names for themselves in craft beer, 488 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: but they still aren't always getting taken seriously because of 489 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: the legacy of shot girls of attractive girls being hired 490 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: to where you know, tiny bud light bikinis to sell beer, 491 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: and so because sort of in a similar way as 492 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: beer has been, you know, more of a predominantly male 493 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: culture as is weed, it perpetuates this idea that weed 494 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: is something that guys do and they often do it together, 495 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: and women are just accessories. And it also two ties 496 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: into the whole High Times culture of women just being 497 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: objects upon which you placed marijuana leaves in strategic locations, 498 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: which I mean I looking at those centerfolds as we 499 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: did to prep for this podcast, Caroline, I don't know 500 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,719 Speaker 1: how men would find that sexy. It just doesn't. I mean, 501 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: obviously I can see how attractive women in their bodies 502 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: are considered sexy, but the it's so the pot leaves 503 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: everywhere is just so silly and cliche to be like, 504 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: it's it's not very aesthetically pleasy. I just don't. I don't. 505 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,239 Speaker 1: I don't get that. So you won't be hanging those 506 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: up in your cubicle anytime soon. I mean, if I 507 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: were a guy, I would just be laughing at myself, 508 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: laughing at these weed centerfolds, rather than being like, oh, hubbub, 509 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: because that's what guys say right when and then they're 510 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: in their eyes, bug out of their head. Oh yeah, 511 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: Um well, a lot of a lot of scholars would 512 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: argue that that whole tongue in cheek, high time, centerfold 513 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: bikini bud tender culture is actually doing kind of a 514 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: disservice to a lot of women, not just the women 515 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: who are in the magazines themselves, but also kind of 516 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: women overall who want to be in the culture, want 517 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,719 Speaker 1: to be in the industry, want to help shape policy reform. 518 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 1: Wendy Chakis, who Kristen cited earlier in her paper from 519 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: talks about women's voices being muted while their bodies are 520 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: hyper visible in this commercial cannabis culture, and she talks 521 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: about how by not paying attention to gendered stereotypes and inequalities, 522 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: we are putting up obstacles to women's full participation in 523 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: drug policy reform. Yeah, she even refers to these initiatives 524 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: to legalize marijuana also as a guy sing because if 525 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: you look at it's changing a little bit now. But 526 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: if you look at the predominant leadership among groups that 527 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: are lobbying for marijuana's legalization in the United States, it 528 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: usually is mostly men. At the top, and it probably 529 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: ties into these sort of social prejudices against marijuana and 530 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: maybe a heightened penalty for violating that if you are 531 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: a woman, because it's already considered sort of an unladylike 532 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: thing to admit to do. Um. And so she says 533 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: that it's expected that guys will do it because there 534 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: is at least since some you know, sort of subcultures, 535 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: sort of a cool cashide being a dude stoner bra. 536 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: I mean, there's an entire show Workaholics all about me. 537 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: I know, I was just talking about Broad City and 538 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: how they smoke pot, but I mean Workaholics even before 539 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: that is all about guys who would rather smoke pot 540 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: than go to work. Yeah, but then you have the 541 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: pathetic woman stoner character, and I mean that's just what 542 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: that's just literally swapping out a woman for a man. 543 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: So that's just another example of women doing male behavior 544 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: or the male stereotype and being judged for it. Yeah. Yeah. 545 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: Whereas on the flip side to one, one last thing 546 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: about those bud tenders, I just also thought it was 547 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: funny that these women are being hired to where sexy 548 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: pot clothes if you want to call them clothes because 549 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: normally they're kind of too small to constitute clothing. But 550 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: it's like if if you get a group of stoners 551 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: in a room, you don't need anything else to help, 552 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: So we except weed, you know, right, yeah, And even 553 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: if we move away from say weed conventions, because yes, 554 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: we had conventions exist, um and on screen portrayals of stoners. 555 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: Even women who are you know, in the real world, 556 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: have real jobs, have their lives together, and enjoy smoking pot, 557 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: are very hesitant about coming out of what is referred 558 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: to as the weed closet. And freedmen who we type 559 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: so many times in the podcast. She wrote a piece 560 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: for New York Magazine in two thousand thirteen and was 561 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: talking to women about their pot habits, and none of 562 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: them wanted to be named because either because a in 563 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: a lot of places that it's still illegal, and so 564 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: they didn't want to put themselves out there, you know, 565 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: for any kind of workplace risk, but also just not 566 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: wanting to have any kind of negative stereotypes saddle to them, 567 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: because as soon as you say, oh, well, yeah, I 568 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: I smoked pot, then you might have a laundry list 569 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 1: of negative judgments of like oh well wait, you must 570 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: be some kind of horrible slack or who can't control 571 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: herself with anything. Yeah, like I won't be able to 572 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: trust you to get your job done or whatever. You 573 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: must dance all night and then jump through windows. Um. Yeah, 574 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: because one woman that Freeman talked to said, you know, 575 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: I I've always been kind of proud of the fact 576 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: that I'm not the stereotypical pot smoker. You wouldn't look 577 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: at me and know that I smoke pot. And she says, 578 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,240 Speaker 1: I have my bleep together. Yeah, bleep bleep is altogether 579 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: she's got her beep buttoned down. Well, And that was 580 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 1: the same case as with this two thousand nine Marie 581 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 1: Clear article about the quote unquote Stiletto stoner's basically women 582 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: who make a good amount of money who smoke pot 583 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: instead of drink wine to wind down. And one of 584 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: them went on the record with her name, but the 585 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: other ones were also all anonymous because they just didn't 586 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: want to be seen as pot smokers. Yeah, And the 587 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: whole thing was like women, women, working women going home 588 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: at the end of a long day and winding with 589 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: a blunt instead of a glass of wine. And then 590 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: you know, talking about how these are all like type 591 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: a career track rat race, women in power suits who 592 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: go home and light up, whether alone or with with girlfriends, 593 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: all as sex in the city. And it does make 594 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: me wonder, like, did you just realize that women's smoke pot? 595 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,760 Speaker 1: I think it is sort of this emerging realization, especially 596 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: because women smoking pot are still being portrayed as trend pieces. 597 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: It's still this you know, we're uncovering these pockets of 598 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: women doing it. Um. But one thing too that came 599 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,760 Speaker 1: to mind with the stiletto Stoner's is that the after 600 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: five cocktail happy our culture is so accepted as a 601 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 1: part of you know, corporate America, where you're gonna you're 602 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: gonna work really hard and then you're gonna go reward 603 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: yourself with eighteen scotches. And that's not a radical idea, 604 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: even though it's horrifically but you know, potentially damaging to 605 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: your health and and expensive and expensive, and you know, 606 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: yet an occasional weed smoke every now and then it's 607 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: seen as something you know that you don't even want 608 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: to talk about, right well, because there's this attitude you 609 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: you you think of women involved in marijuana at all 610 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: as the mothers who are fighting against legalization. And when 611 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: you think of men involved, it's either as the stoners 612 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: or as the people who were, you know, angling for 613 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: marijuana to become legalized. And that's just not that's just 614 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: not the case necessarily. I mean, I'm not saying that 615 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: it's not. But there is a bigger internet presence for 616 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: instance for women, uh websites like Ladybud dot com, Women's 617 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 1: Marijuana Movement dot org. There's even the quote unquote marijuana 618 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: Mommy is going on CNN to say that smoking makes 619 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: them better moms. So there's like there's a lot more 620 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: diversity going on and a lot more openness I think 621 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: in industry involvement, whether well industry or just culture involvement. Yeah, 622 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: and and with the whole mom angled too, for people 623 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 1: who involved in a legalization activism, they are trying to 624 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: target moms more. For instance, when Washington voted in two 625 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: thousand twelve to legalize marijuana, they sided women voting, and 626 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: specifically this one ad that was released right before the 627 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: election that depicted this soccer mom type talking about all 628 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: of the different ways that legalizing marijuana and the tax 629 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: benefits from that, and how that would enrich school systems. 630 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: There would be I d checks to make sure that 631 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: kids wouldn't be able to just walk up to a 632 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: dispensary and buy it. And also how by freeing up 633 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: all of the law enforcement resources that are focused on 634 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: marijuana arrest, diverting that into you know, other areas that 635 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 1: will help make kids safer. It was a brilliant tactic. 636 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: And of women voters in Washington voted for legalization right 637 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: because and yeah, and they talked to basically the people 638 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 1: who were behind this this marketing push. And yeah, once 639 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: once you get moms on board with the fact that 640 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: this regulation has a lot more to do with your 641 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: family's safety than it does with you know, Stone or 642 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: Joe down the street getting high and potentially, like I 643 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: don't know, driving a car through your backyard. You know, like, 644 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: once you change the focus, Caroline Stannard, Joe is not 645 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: gonna get up. And that's exactly well, that's exactly what 646 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: you have to You have to educate people about what 647 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,399 Speaker 1: marijuana is gonna do to you. Stonard, Joe is playing 648 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: World of Warcraft any pizza roles and having a great 649 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,879 Speaker 1: time doing it. That sounds like what did roommate does 650 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: without any sort of substance I now just want pizza roles. Um. 651 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: But let's let's look at another area too where women 652 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: are being recognized and also making inroads on their own, 653 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 1: kind of similar again to our craft brewing podcast, and 654 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 1: that's within the actual industry. We've talked about women consuming marijuana, 655 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: buying marijuana, voting for the legalization of marijuana. But what 656 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: about the women like the ones who this podcast is 657 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: dedicated to tending to the actual plants. Yeah, more and 658 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,439 Speaker 1: more women are actually joining the industry now that it's 659 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: now that it's maturing. They might not necessarily be doing 660 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: the same exact things that the men are doing. Uh. 661 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: There was an article in l and a study by 662 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: Karen August from Humboldt State University in talking about how 663 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: there is just this army of women behind male weed 664 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,320 Speaker 1: farmers or just the men who are dominating the industry 665 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: in general. Yeah. Um. Karen August, the Homeboat State University researcher, 666 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: did note that women growers who are the people that 667 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: she wanted to talk to, But women growers are still 668 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 1: on a large scale, pretty few or far between, and 669 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,320 Speaker 1: so there aren't even really any studies at all on 670 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: women growing. But if you look at the marijuana farming process. 671 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: You do see a gender gap in who's doing more 672 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: of the manual labor in the farms and who does 673 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: the trimming. Women are often relegated to trimming the buds 674 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: because it's simply it's it's not, as I don't want 675 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: to say, physically demanding, because I'm sure it's very tedious work, 676 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,320 Speaker 1: but it's not. It doesn't require as much physical strength. 677 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: You're not having to move these massive plants around, right. 678 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: And she also talks about the female lead kind of 679 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: legitimate employment that surrounds the industry, like these cottage industries 680 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 1: that are springing up around marijuana farms. Uh, you know, 681 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 1: selling paraphernalia, selling edibles, things like that, even clothing lines, posters, 682 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,919 Speaker 1: marijuana art um. But it's often women creating these things. Yeah. 683 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: I did a quick search on Etsy for marijuana related goods. 684 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: And not to say that every you know Etsy account 685 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: is run by a woman, but let's just say there 686 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: was a lot of feminine looking marijuana paraphernalia being made 687 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: by artisans all over the world. Um. And Marie Claire 688 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 1: also cited women like Betty Aldworth, who's the deputy director 689 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: of the National Cannabis Industry Association in Colorado. There's also 690 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: Dale Sky Jones who who's executive chancellor of Oaksterdam University, 691 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: which is a school set up specifically to teach people 692 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 1: how to grow, tend, and start marijuana businesses. And Jennifer Murray, 693 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,760 Speaker 1: who is the CEO of Canned Labs, which is focused 694 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: on looking at different applications for marijuana, whether it's uh, 695 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,879 Speaker 1: you know, more for therapeutic and medicinal effects. So there 696 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: are you know, these different women doing all sorts of 697 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 1: things within the industry. And I think that slowly but surely, 698 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,320 Speaker 1: we might be chipping away at the idea of you know, 699 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 1: being exclusively something that the stoner guys, stoner bros do. 700 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: Bra Yeah. Well, And in contrast to our stereotype of 701 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,320 Speaker 1: the you know, angry conservative mother fighting against marijuana legalization, 702 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: you have this new image of a young mother fighting 703 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 1: for legalization because she is a mother, because she does 704 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:12,280 Speaker 1: have children who would benefit from the legalization of medical marijuana. 705 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 1: The Atlantic looked at this back in saying that women 706 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 1: have long been involved in this fight. If you look 707 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: back to the nineteen eighties, you have Mary Jane, very 708 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: appropriately named Mary Jane Ruthvean better known as Brownie Mary. 709 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: She's a well known medical marijuana activist who would bake 710 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: potlace Brownie for AIDS patients in San Francisco. And around 711 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: the time that voters in California approved that proposition, you 712 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,240 Speaker 1: have TV ads targeting women in support of legalizing medical 713 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 1: marijuana use, and the ad featured a sixty seven year 714 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: old nurse whose husband used it when he was dying 715 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: of cancer. So they're trying to drive home the fact 716 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: that there is this medical marijuana that could help families, 717 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 1: but also more women are just getting behind it because 718 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: they do use it for recreation. And what do you 719 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: think about mothers who advocate on behalf of you know, 720 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 1: legalized marijuana, whether it's medicinal or not. It's incredibly brave 721 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: because they're not just risking violating some you know, run 722 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: of the mill gender norms, but they're also risking putting 723 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,359 Speaker 1: themselves in situations where people accused them of being bad 724 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: mothers and possibly getting their kids taken away from them, 725 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: which is a nightmare scenario that activists. Renee Petro found 726 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 1: herself in recently when she was investigated by the Florida 727 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,239 Speaker 1: Child Protection Services based on a tip an anonymous tip 728 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: that she was giving her son, who has a rare 729 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,240 Speaker 1: form of epilepsy, cannabis extract, which she was not doing 730 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,280 Speaker 1: at all, But they came into her home and demanded 731 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,399 Speaker 1: to interview her son in a different room about whether 732 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 1: or not his mom was giving him weed. Well, I 733 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: mean yeah, And and speaking of Georgia, you know now 734 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 1: that Colorado has legalized medical marijuana. I mean I was 735 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,320 Speaker 1: listening to a story on NPR where all these families 736 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 1: They talked to some families in Georgia who were like, 737 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 1: I'm moving. I'm moving there because my kid has this 738 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,359 Speaker 1: life threatening form of epilepsy. Wouldn't you move to help 739 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 1: your child? And so that's where that's where all the 740 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: politics go head to head with actually protecting our children 741 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 1: and what do they need? But yeah, along the same lines, 742 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,359 Speaker 1: Dibby Goldsberry, who's the founder of the Berkeley Patients Group, 743 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: one of the largest dispensaries in California, was interviewed in 744 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: by High Times and basically confirms what Christian was talking about. 745 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 1: You know, we've had our children to protect this whole time. 746 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: She says, Um, it was scary because kids are being 747 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: taken from their parents who were arrested for simple possession, 748 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,279 Speaker 1: and she talks about how she was an activist long 749 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,279 Speaker 1: before she was ever a mother because she was just 750 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: she was scared too. She she didn't know if she 751 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: would be accused inaccurately of being a bad mother. Yeah, 752 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: I mean, And the whole kid's angle to the war 753 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: on drugs has always baffled me a bit because in 754 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: those studies it's confirmed over and over again that when 755 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 1: kids want to get their hands on marijuana, they do, 756 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: and they often do it from other kids. Like it's 757 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 1: it's just being illegal is not making it any safer 758 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: for these children, sure, because then you're gonna get it 759 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: from some dummy who's and it's going to be laced 760 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 1: with something and you know they're not going to do 761 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,359 Speaker 1: it at all, and then you might be Helen Hunt 762 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,279 Speaker 1: jumping out of a window. That's exactly right. Um, But 763 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 1: there are there are activists women organizing, and there are 764 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: these groups, uh include Normal Women's Alliance, Mothers Against Misuse 765 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,720 Speaker 1: and Abuse, and Moms for Marijuana that support not only 766 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 1: marijuana used by women, but they're also like actively trying 767 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: to change drug laws and as the case of Washington 768 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: and Colorado's legalization efforts have shown women are you know, 769 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: really a crucial demographic to legalizing marijuana. And it'll be 770 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: interesting to see in the coming years how that those 771 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 1: examples in those states might shape legalization efforts in other states. 772 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 1: And I will be curious to see how quickly legalization 773 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: spreads across the United States, because I mean, again, we 774 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 1: have not gotten into the health impacts of smoking marijuana. 775 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,279 Speaker 1: I mean, regularly smoking anything obviously is not good for you. 776 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,400 Speaker 1: All of the studies that suggest that it's harmful to 777 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 1: short term and even long term memory. There are don't 778 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 1: get us wrong, We understand that there are negative effects 779 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,800 Speaker 1: of marijuana, as there are negative effects to other drugs 780 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 1: and also alcohol, sigarettes, things that are plenty legal in 781 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 1: the United States as well. But a lot of these 782 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 1: activists would argue, look, I'm not trying to get my 783 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: kid to smoke a joint. I'm just trying to give 784 00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: him cannabis extracts so he doesn't have seizures and die. 785 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 1: Or I will say that I know at least one 786 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 1: marijuana mommy who after she had her kid, not while 787 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 1: she was pregnant, people don't worry, but after she became 788 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,720 Speaker 1: a mother she hadn't smoked occasionally beforehand, but she became 789 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,880 Speaker 1: a fairly regular pot smoker because she was just like, 790 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:23,319 Speaker 1: it really helps me deal with things. It really does well. Yeah, 791 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,280 Speaker 1: and I have a friend who has a really severe 792 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,840 Speaker 1: case of Crohn's disease and she was on all this 793 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 1: medication for a long time. She was just sick as 794 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 1: a dog all the time, and she smokes marijuana. Just 795 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 1: said that she can eat. So you know, well, I 796 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 1: think if anything, no matter what side of you know, 797 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 1: the legalization debate that you stand on, it's worthwhile to 798 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,160 Speaker 1: consider where, especially if you're in the US, because this 799 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,440 Speaker 1: is a very US centric conversation we've been having. But 800 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 1: where that American uh dislike or distaste for the marijuana 801 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,279 Speaker 1: menace really came from? Because it is rooted in a 802 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,920 Speaker 1: very dark place of racism. Yeah, it went from treating 803 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,840 Speaker 1: a queen's cramps to being called a menace because it 804 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:15,239 Speaker 1: was associated with the other, the foreign other. So now 805 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,920 Speaker 1: we want to hear from you out there, what do 806 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 1: you think about marijuana culture and all of this gendered aspects. 807 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,440 Speaker 1: Are you a woman who might be out in Humboldt 808 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,279 Speaker 1: County tending to harvest I don't know when harvest is 809 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 1: so so you might be like, no, there's like nothing 810 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,560 Speaker 1: to harvest right now. Um, are you a lady who 811 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 1: enjoys a joint after a long day at work? We 812 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:37,799 Speaker 1: want to hear from you. We won't write you out 813 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 1: to your bosses. Let us let us know all of 814 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,640 Speaker 1: your marijuana thoughts. Mom Stuff at Discovery dot com is 815 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: where you can email us, and you can also tweet 816 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,960 Speaker 1: us at mom Stuff podcast or send us a message 817 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,520 Speaker 1: on Facebook. And we've got a couple of messages to 818 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 1: share with you speaking of our craft beer episode yet 819 00:50:53,600 --> 00:51:00,799 Speaker 1: again about craft beer. So I've got one here from 820 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,080 Speaker 1: Eli and he said, Hi, ladies, after listening to your 821 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,839 Speaker 1: craft beer Brewster's podcast, I have a couple of things 822 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to write you about. When my girlfriend and 823 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 1: I go out to the bar, after we've ordered our beers, 824 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,480 Speaker 1: will either look at the bottles or look up the 825 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,759 Speaker 1: A B V on her smartphone. At least two thirds 826 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,799 Speaker 1: of the time she she will have gotten a beer 827 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,279 Speaker 1: that is significantly stronger than whenever I'm drinking. I don't 828 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,080 Speaker 1: know if she's going for economy or just trying to 829 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,440 Speaker 1: spite some people she knows who say girls don't drink beer. Also, 830 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,680 Speaker 1: she announced last month that she thought we needed a 831 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,600 Speaker 1: hobby we could do together. I immediately thought she meant 832 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,520 Speaker 1: fixing up some of the furniture we bought or something 833 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 1: like that. But no, we're going to start homebrewing beer. 834 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 1: It sounds like a fun hobby. So thanks, Eli, and 835 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,320 Speaker 1: I have a letter here from Phoenix who says I 836 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,200 Speaker 1: recently got a job as a part time brand ambassador 837 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 1: read promotional model for a small local craft brewer. The 838 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 1: company is so small that I actually get paid in beer. 839 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,360 Speaker 1: It is quite excellent and expensive, so I'm not complaining. 840 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,200 Speaker 1: Your podcast inspired me to share my experience. Both the 841 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 1: owners and brewers for the company are men. There are 842 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: two other brand ambassadors, also men. I am the only 843 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 1: woman on staff. This is absolutely not a problem in 844 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,680 Speaker 1: the workplace. Everyone respects my opinions and knowledge of the beer. 845 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,360 Speaker 1: When I go out for tasting, I find myself in 846 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,600 Speaker 1: a very different situation. Most people like my beers, but 847 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,920 Speaker 1: most of the comments I get are about me. This 848 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,680 Speaker 1: is really good, but you haven't even tried it. Pretty 849 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 1: girls like you don't like beer this strong? Or occasionally, 850 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,000 Speaker 1: what agency do you work for? Questions none of my 851 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,759 Speaker 1: male colleagues received it is frustrating, but when I give 852 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,120 Speaker 1: my honest opinions on the brew, these men typically have 853 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,960 Speaker 1: a change of heart. I get approached less by women, 854 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,880 Speaker 1: and most who come up are afraid all my beers 855 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,719 Speaker 1: will be bitter. I have never sold a whole case 856 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,760 Speaker 1: to a woman, but usually I can find a sample 857 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,959 Speaker 1: they like. As a response to your numerous comments about 858 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,439 Speaker 1: the bud light girls or chicks with big boobs selling beer, 859 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 1: I was taken aback. I have big boobs, naturally blonde hair, 860 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,240 Speaker 1: and an athletic body from being a professional equine dentist. 861 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,840 Speaker 1: Though this is definitely a reason some people question my 862 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,360 Speaker 1: sincere passion for beer. I want you and other listeners 863 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,640 Speaker 1: to know that girls with big boobs can really like 864 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,080 Speaker 1: beer too. Please help me stop stereotyping the busty women 865 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:15,120 Speaker 1: in beer. Cheers Phoenix, So thank you, Phoenix. I think, uh, 866 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, women with boobs or no boobs or some 867 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,319 Speaker 1: boobs are allowed to drink and love whatever they want. Yeah, 868 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,520 Speaker 1: I really I hope we didn't seem like we were 869 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,560 Speaker 1: anti big boobs. We're anti we're pro. I should say 870 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:32,359 Speaker 1: all boobs were pro boobs. Yeah, and whatever, shape, size, color, orientation, 871 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,320 Speaker 1: and by oritation, I mean which way they're pointing, nipple number, yeah, whatever. 872 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,760 Speaker 1: We support them all, all of it. We support the boobs, 873 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,640 Speaker 1: so uh. If you have thoughts that you want to 874 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,480 Speaker 1: share with us, Mom staff of Discovery. Dot com is 875 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,880 Speaker 1: our email address. 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