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Speaker 3: Hi Germo, Hi, Katie lows, You're never gonna believe this.
Speaker 4: What I just if?
Speaker 3: I sound insane? I just got a filling redone. Do
Speaker 3: you have cavities?
Speaker 4: I do have a lot of cavities.
Speaker 3: Oh god, I don't because I'm perfect and I love dentists.
Speaker 3: I go every three Mensu'm so obsessed with flossing and
Speaker 3: liistenering the whole fucking thing. But I have a couple
Speaker 3: of fillings and they're replacing them because it turns out
Speaker 3: they're like twenty five years old or something like that,
Speaker 3: and they have to just take out the old ones
Speaker 3: and put in new ones. That is my day today.
Speaker 3: And now we are we talking about a very specific
Speaker 3: episode of Scan special episode A lot with the inside
Speaker 3: of my mouth.
Speaker 4: Yes, with mowlers and by cuspits and all sorts of teeth.
Speaker 3: Also, who the hell, guys, this episode is wild. We
Speaker 3: are talking about the episode that caused the next ten
Speaker 3: years of my life for me to walk around on
Speaker 3: the street and for Scandal fans come up to me
Speaker 3: and be like, oh, you still got your teeth. Let
Speaker 3: me look intide you.
Speaker 4: Literally, yes, I had people come up to me and
Speaker 4: be like can you lick me? Like I've literally had
Speaker 4: people want to take a picture with me licking them. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because of this episode.
Speaker 3: And that was so pre covid.
Speaker 4: It was super pre covid.
Speaker 3: I had just so many people for years just be like,
Speaker 3: can I check inside your mouth? You still have all
Speaker 3: your teeth? And I'm like, this is getting weird, is
Speaker 3: what It's over.
Speaker 4: Your mouth and your mouth was jacked up and you
Speaker 4: have four teeth, and you were like, yeah, here you go.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It was like, this is what's given me my sort
Speaker 3: of obsession with the dentist. To be compliant, I feel like.
Speaker 4: You were obsessed with the dentist probably before, way before
Speaker 4: this episode.
Speaker 3: Whatever I'm covered for to get my teeth cleaning, I
Speaker 3: think you get it once every six months or something.
Speaker 3: I pay extra one hundred and twenty five dollars to
Speaker 3: go every three months because because so many strangers be
Speaker 3: looking all up inside my mouth.
Speaker 4: That's why there you go. I am mad at you.
Speaker 4: I am mad at you.
Speaker 3: And today we have a very special guest who's your friend.
Speaker 4: This person is just listen. I discovered her about a
Speaker 4: year ago. I discovered her talent in front of the
Speaker 4: camera about a year ago. But I've known her for
Speaker 4: many years, and she was in the industry but in
Speaker 4: a whole, completely different role. And now she's just she's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yes, she's so famous, and she's like the young guest
Speaker 3: guest we've ever had, and maybe the youngest person I've
Speaker 3: ever known, because she is a big deal on the
Speaker 3: ticker Talker.
Speaker 4: Which is she's a genius like content creators.
Speaker 3: Genius content creator is literally doing SNL level, if not better,
Speaker 3: sketch work her social media channels. I don't even that's
Speaker 3: a compliment, right, I feel so older?
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, me too. Listening great, but also she is
Speaker 4: not only that she's the hugest Scandal fan. She knows
Speaker 4: the show I feel like better than you and.
Speaker 3: I I completely agree. Who better to have on than
Speaker 3: to talk about one of the harder episodes that you
Speaker 3: and I ever had to shoot than someone that knows
Speaker 3: the show better than us inside and out Because she
Speaker 3: is a true to her core gladiator fan, a gladiator gladiator,
Speaker 3: and without further ado, we have the one, the only the.
Speaker 4: Only Supria Bright.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean such a fan.
Speaker 3: I'm such a fan. Also, are you fought like you're
Speaker 3: so bloody talented? But also are you five? And were
Speaker 3: you allowed to be watching Scandal when it was on?
Speaker 3: Why were you not in bed? What the hell?
Speaker 2: I am seven years old? No, I was in college
Speaker 2: during this Scandal trime.
Speaker 3: Wow you are.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start telling people I'm like, twenty's totally.
Speaker 3: Please, so great. I have no idea, but I just
Speaker 3: did the craziest deep dive of like all of your
Speaker 3: genius sketches, Like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: Aren't they fucking amazing? There? My god, listen, I just
Speaker 4: I've known Sabrina for a long time. Let's just start
Speaker 4: by also saying she she used to work at Jill
Speaker 4: McGrath's office, working for Jill McGrath before she was in
Speaker 4: front of the camera.
Speaker 3: Wait are you out? Get the fuck out of here. Okay,
Speaker 3: hold on a second. You're an influencer, you're a talent,
Speaker 3: you're all those and creator. You are cool. We are not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but also listen, I started watching her videos about
Speaker 4: a year ago, I want to say, or even less
Speaker 4: than that, and now I am addicted. When you post
Speaker 4: on Instagram. I get so excited. They're so addictive and infectious,
Speaker 4: and that character you play is just the dopest Galchy's
Speaker 4: You're so good at what you do.
Speaker 2: You guys are too much. I also just like really
Speaker 2: need it to be said, like I really just wish
Speaker 2: I had a mirror and like a camera and a
Speaker 2: time machine that I could go to myself. In college
Speaker 2: when I used to like bootleg Scandal to it that
Speaker 2: I would stay up, I'm not kidding someone. It was
Speaker 2: like a problem. I was staying up to four in
Speaker 2: the morning. I couldn't get myself to go to sleep
Speaker 2: because I was so intensely watching it, so obsessed, talked
Speaker 2: about until everyone who would listen to me, And if
Speaker 2: I could show you guys saying that about me.
Speaker 3: I love that And for listeners, hold on a second,
Speaker 3: you so that people don't know who Jill McGrath is. Explain,
Speaker 3: explore backtrack, explain to me how you guys originally know
Speaker 3: each other, because it was Gearmo's idea that was like
Speaker 3: Sabrina who has pulse of all the people like Scandal,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what we need to get her on
Speaker 3: the podcast.
Speaker 4: She also has a deeper connection to the show Scandal
Speaker 4: than just watching it and being a fan. And we'll
Speaker 4: get into that as well.
Speaker 3: And we'll tell me why you first met each other
Speaker 3: and who Jill is.
Speaker 2: So the first connection that we're talking about right now
Speaker 2: is that when I graduated college, a time in which
Speaker 2: I was at my scandal heights of obsession, an intensity,
Speaker 2: you could call it, like a mental breakdown. Ways, I
Speaker 2: graduated college. A month later I started working for Jill
Speaker 2: McGrath as her assistant, and I sat, I remember sitting
Speaker 2: in the interviewing situation, and she was like, yes, like,
Speaker 2: we have really incredible clients. Did a duck your moodias
Speaker 2: And I went, I'm sorry, huk, Yeah, I know who
Speaker 2: that is. And then I got the job. And then
Speaker 2: for two years I assisted Jill and all of her
Speaker 2: incredible clients, including King Kiirmo and.
Speaker 3: Jill's a very fancy Hollywood manager.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jill is my manager. And now she's Sabrina's manager
Speaker 4: as well. Full circle.
Speaker 2: Another thing that I would not have believed if you
Speaker 2: had told me yes.
Speaker 3: At that time, How did that come to pass? Like,
Speaker 3: how did that conversation.
Speaker 2: Manifestation is I think a very real thing. I certainly
Speaker 2: manifested it and dreamed about it like every day when
Speaker 2: I was working for her. Never thought that was going
Speaker 2: to be a possibility, But she and I just of
Speaker 2: course stayed in it as great friends and had a
Speaker 2: mentor mentee relationship even after I left her desk for
Speaker 2: another desk, And so for a while, it was just
Speaker 2: that thing where it's like your ex boss who is
Speaker 2: your friend, And she was the number one person I
Speaker 2: was always learning from, even as I moved away from
Speaker 2: that job, and until finally when the other stuff started happening,
Speaker 2: it was really like an organic she At first it
Speaker 2: was just a friend, and then it just made sense,
Speaker 2: and so much of what I do and how I've
Speaker 2: learned is from her. So it kind of it's been
Speaker 2: nice where it's like the partnership now is so organic
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 4: But also, Sabrina, we can both agree that Jill is
Speaker 4: a hard ass. Jill is no joke. She doesn't just
Speaker 4: if she chose you to be your manager, she believes
Speaker 4: in you one hundred percent. I feel like I'm still
Speaker 4: auditioning for Jill and I've been with her for over
Speaker 4: twenty something years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's pretty scary, Like, I love her. I've hung
Speaker 3: out with her a thousand times on this scandel no
Speaker 3: her Cadie I did. Oh my god. I absolutely love her.
Speaker 3: She's so hardcore. Also, nothing is more appropriate for this
Speaker 3: episode that we're going to get into today except that
Speaker 3: I just had a cavity redone. I am not We
Speaker 3: are talking about the episode where Quinn got her teeth
Speaker 3: pulled out by Huck and I literally, I am not kidding.
Speaker 3: We didn't know we were going to do this episode today.
Speaker 3: This disappointment has been in the books four weeks. This
Speaker 3: is weird.
Speaker 4: This just come over to my house. I still have
Speaker 4: the path Sanda, you mus have done it for free. Listen, Sabrina.
Speaker 4: Shonda Rhymes gave me as a gift when we wrapped
Speaker 4: the show, the actual pliers that I pulled Quinn's teeth
Speaker 4: out with. They're hanging on my wall in this room.
Speaker 3: And guess what I got. Guess what I got?
Speaker 4: What did you get?
Speaker 3: It Pop's department. When we wrapped this, this episode almost
Speaker 3: killed me. First of all, I was so scared about
Speaker 3: being me. I was supposed to be naked. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: was supposed to be naked, and I wore a duck.
Speaker 3: They just duct taped my boobs and we called it
Speaker 3: a duct tape bra, and they gave me my duct
Speaker 3: tape bra and the whole prop department signed it. When
Speaker 3: I made it to the end of the episode and
Speaker 3: I was done, and I don't think and I had
Speaker 3: it saved in a box like with all my scandal memorabilia.
Speaker 2: Just love that baby duct taped directly on your skin.
Speaker 3: No, I had like a nude band do bra and
Speaker 3: then like things around it. But I don't remember what
Speaker 3: was around my vagina, but it was definitely more duct tape.
Speaker 2: I was like Katie's naked. I did not remember this.
Speaker 2: I was like, what a commitment to the craft.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, Sabrina.
Speaker 2: Oh. Then when you had the thing in your mouth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that mouth thing opener, that metal mouth opener.
Speaker 2: This was crazy.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you one of the questions. And
Speaker 3: then were getting this episode. Wait, so we're gonna can
Speaker 3: you just tell our listeners how did you get into
Speaker 3: doing what you do? And why are you so so
Speaker 3: huge on all the socials? Like how is this happening?
Speaker 2: Orchard? Jill always was like trying to write and make things.
Speaker 2: That was always the plan was to make things and perform.
Speaker 2: I just wasn't sure how I was going to do it.
Speaker 2: When I left Jill, I was a writer's assistant, and
Speaker 2: I was still continuing to work in the television industry
Speaker 2: in the more formal way, and then in COVID. I
Speaker 2: wasn't one of the like viral COVID people, but how
Speaker 2: insane I felt during quarantine made me finally start putting
Speaker 2: myself on Instagram, which was something I think I really
Speaker 2: in my gut always wanted to do, but it was
Speaker 2: really afraid. I just for a year was just playing
Speaker 2: around with this character on Instagram, just like on a
Speaker 2: low level. And then by twenty twenty one I put
Speaker 2: things on TikTok and then since then increasing in that
Speaker 2: space and decreasing as being a Hollywood assystem, which I
Speaker 2: haven't done. And I guess like a year and a
Speaker 2: half or two years, and.
Speaker 3: So yeah, congratulations' huge so much as you guys know,
Speaker 3: like you guys know, Yeah, we've worked every shit side
Speaker 3: job in the history I mean, and that's and you know,
Speaker 3: being Jill's assistant. Sorry Jill, not a bad job, that's
Speaker 3: a great job.
Speaker 2: I remember. We're with Jill now. The way we are,
Speaker 2: not to say it wasn't incredible, but this is obviously
Speaker 2: the friends of of course, and then and yeah, with
Speaker 2: the internet stuff, it was just like, it's funny to
Speaker 2: be on the other end of it. To me, it's
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four and I've been doing it since twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one. But of course as you build, you get
Speaker 2: better at it. What you're doing evolves. Everything else that
Speaker 2: has had has happened has just been a result of
Speaker 2: me just continuing to do the videos.
Speaker 4: And you write all your stuff, right, you like write
Speaker 4: all your stuff, which is so hilarious.
Speaker 2: Everyone who like makes the video with me, I love
Speaker 2: to give like the co writing credit to because it's
Speaker 2: so collaborative. I make them friends in my family, and
Speaker 2: it's so collaborative where I come in with a concept
Speaker 2: and I have an idea of it, and they are
Speaker 2: going I feel like someone wouldn't say that, or I
Speaker 2: feel like this is more of that, and so we
Speaker 2: could have work together and it's a little improv and
Speaker 2: it's a little that and we just cook something up.
Speaker 4: And listen, I think, when are me and Katie going
Speaker 4: to be in one of your videos? I think your
Speaker 4: video with me Katy as Quinn in Hut or some
Speaker 4: shit like that at something.
Speaker 3: I'm always I love it when we are available.
Speaker 2: Okay, when I come back to La, I'm going to
Speaker 2: come back in a few months. And when I come back,
Speaker 2: don't Also, don't make promises if you're not right.
Speaker 4: I'm so serious.
Speaker 3: I'm so sing here and hear it now. And I
Speaker 3: are one hundred percent in to act in any of
Speaker 3: your videos. TikTok, like like, oh my god, yeah totally.
Speaker 2: But like in my head, I'm like, okay, so what
Speaker 2: we could do? So trust me, don't be like if
Speaker 2: you really feel that way, it's all let's do it.
Speaker 4: Let's freaking do it, Katie really quickly. Also, Sabrina, Sabrina,
Speaker 4: tell everyone your connection to scandal beyond being a fan,
Speaker 4: because there's something that I just found out that I
Speaker 4: had no idea what.
Speaker 2: Why, I tell Okay, So before meeting Jill, I'm in college, okay,
Speaker 2: and my best friend Varsha, she's in the door room
Speaker 2: right next to me. I remember walking into Varsha's room
Speaker 2: and she was like, I just had like a freaking dream,
Speaker 2: like I just like it felt so real, like there
Speaker 2: was this war in like B six thirteen was there.
Speaker 2: It felt so real that. I was like, what are
Speaker 2: you talking about? She was like Scandal. I was like,
Speaker 2: and I hadn't. I was not exposed to Shonda. I
Speaker 2: was not a Gray's House like growing up, so it
Speaker 2: was just not something I didn't really understand any I
Speaker 2: think I even watched How To Get Away with Murder
Speaker 2: first before, and so I was like, Wow, well, she's
Speaker 2: really feeling a deep, scared connection to the show. I
Speaker 2: probably should check it out. And she's a doctor now,
Speaker 2: so she really knew what she was talking about, and
Speaker 2: I really knew and I so I was like, I
Speaker 2: guess I'll try this Scandal thing. What it was like
Speaker 2: a disease that took over me. I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 2: would like skip class. Sorry, parents. I couldn't stop watching.
Speaker 2: I couldn't pry my eyes away. And then in the
Speaker 2: midst of that, I had a friend who was like,
Speaker 2: guess who I'm connected with now and who I can
Speaker 2: introduce you to? Is that here? McGhee, Yes, hear me.
Speaker 3: He was one of the staple rate writers on Scandal
Speaker 3: for a long.
Speaker 2: Time, absolute icon, king of a man. Yes, and just
Speaker 2: not only the most incredible person to me as a mentor,
Speaker 2: but also the fact that he happened to be so
Speaker 2: involved with scandal. It was just crazy, and so I
Speaker 2: spent like a year kind of being like, here's so funny.
Speaker 2: I thought, what if I like interned and I just
Speaker 2: really pitched and he was really trying to make it
Speaker 2: happen for me too, because he is an angel. And
Speaker 2: then it was only like not that it was like
Speaker 2: may or something. I got called from Mary Howard. So
Speaker 2: I interned member of twenty uh sixteen. I want to
Speaker 2: say the summer before my senior year of college, I
Speaker 2: spent three weeks as a production intern. Tom Verracle was
Speaker 2: the direction.
Speaker 3: Of the episode I am dying. What was the episode?
Speaker 3: Do you remember anything about it?
Speaker 2: It was the last season. It might have been like
Speaker 2: six oh one, like it might because it was sixty. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because Tom would.
Speaker 3: Have only directed the start and the last, so that
Speaker 3: makes sense he would only direct the first episode in
Speaker 3: the last episode of the season.
Speaker 2: I don't six sounds more right to me than seven.
Speaker 2: We meet?
Speaker 4: Did we meet?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Did we see you on Saturday?
Speaker 2: I never met Germo up close. I Katie we definitely
Speaker 2: were in like crafty together. I was.
Speaker 3: I was definitely crafty.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised I wasn't there and crafty with because Katie
Speaker 4: and I would be like, do you want to get food?
Speaker 4: And we're like, yeah, let's go get food.
Speaker 3: Always a scene that you weren't in. That would be
Speaker 3: the only reason why Katie.
Speaker 2: I definitely remember like you coming back. I was scared.
Speaker 2: I think at one point I was like getting food,
Speaker 2: like right next to Tony Goldwin, so I was like, hi, Tony,
Speaker 2: and so it was like but I was so scared
Speaker 2: that I was only waiting for the exact moment I
Speaker 2: could say hi to people. And I don't think it
Speaker 2: ever happened with either of you guys. And I also
Speaker 2: wasn't on set the whole time. I had some days
Speaker 2: on set, but I went on like location and scouts,
Speaker 2: which was really cool. And then Scott was like directing
Speaker 2: the next episode. It might have been one of the
Speaker 2: first I actually want his location scout too, And I
Speaker 2: remember we all went to fancy restaurant like, oh wow, idea,
Speaker 2: what's happening? And I was just like And also like,
Speaker 2: when you're an intern in college because of all those
Speaker 2: labor laws, you can't really do.
Speaker 3: Any No, you can't. Yeah, you're just sort of looking around.
Speaker 2: You're looking around. I remember one time Sarah was there,
Speaker 2: a lovely blonde producer named.
Speaker 3: Wow right hand. I love Sarah was Miller.
Speaker 2: I remember she was like, shoe, I left my water
Speaker 2: bottle at the steak and I was like, oh got it,
Speaker 2: because I get it. There's nothing I could do. If
Speaker 2: you can't touch the costumes, you can't touch anything, so
Speaker 2: like to be useful, I was like dying. It's not
Speaker 2: just be in everyone's way. And so I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't want to make the intern get the water.
Speaker 2: I was like, please, it would be my pleasure.
Speaker 4: And then I come back with a box of waters.
Speaker 4: But now check you out.
Speaker 3: Was anybody rude to you? Please tell me? Was anybody fucking.
Speaker 2: Rude to you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Katie, I'm like sitting here, I'm like, oh shit, does
Speaker 3: she have some craft service story where I was like
Speaker 3: a bitch and I cut her in line for like
Speaker 3: a turkey sandwich.
Speaker 2: It was the vibe ever yeah, happy all the time.
Speaker 2: And also one other thing I remember she was like
Speaker 2: that remember that guy who's really like like strong and
Speaker 2: big and he was like the vegan cross.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, was he New Zealand. He was a Kiwi.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he had a lot of tattoos and he
Speaker 3: was bald and tan and hot.
Speaker 2: Amazing. Yes, yes, happy I've ever had since having other crafty.
Speaker 4: First, listen and Katie and I talk about food a
Speaker 4: lot on this podcast. It's one of our favorite things
Speaker 4: to do. But really quickly, now look at now you're
Speaker 4: on the scandal Rewatch podcast, being going from being a
Speaker 4: fan to being an in the queen And how appropriate
Speaker 4: for this episode because this is one of my favoritepisodes ever.
Speaker 4: Ye We'll be right back guys.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's get into this episode really quick. It's episode
Speaker 3: three oh nine entitled Yola Yo first the youngest person
Speaker 3: we know and have ever had on this podcast. Sabrina
Speaker 3: should be doing the Yolo episode. It aired on December fifth,
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, and.
Speaker 4: It was written by Chris van Duson and it was
Speaker 4: directed by Oliver Bolckelberg. But do you remember, Katie, our
Speaker 4: original director was let go and then Oliver had to
Speaker 4: jump in and finish directing the episode. I won't mention
Speaker 4: no names, but but yeah, there was some stuff going back.
Speaker 3: Alson got fired and then Chris and Newson, who wrote
Speaker 3: the episode, actually also wrote and created the first season
Speaker 3: of Bridgerton. The guest stars in this episode are out
Speaker 3: of control. It's Paul Aedelstein as Leo Bergen, Yara Shahidi
Speaker 3: as the young Olivia Pope, and handy Elly.
Speaker 4: J oh favorite I love her so much, Candy Alexander
Speaker 4: as Maya Lewis, and Kelly McCreary who's also on grays
Speaker 4: Anatomy as Claire Tucker queens Man. They're so good.
Speaker 3: Amazing means the guest stars were so insane on this
Speaker 3: episode and on the whole show. Okay, the synopsis is
Speaker 3: synopsis and scandal pays. Ready, here we go. As the
Speaker 3: team gets closer to the truth, loyalties are tested in
Speaker 3: relationships are pushed to the limit.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Cyrus has to deal with his own crisis and
Speaker 4: he realizes that he may have gone too far, too far.
Speaker 3: Guys, this episode, Yes, I literally thought that Quinn was
Speaker 3: going to die.
Speaker 2: This was it.
Speaker 3: This was the one where I was like, I'm done.
Speaker 3: Everybody hates me. Quinn is over. Goodbye job, goodbye financial security.
Speaker 4: Goodbye, like not gonna happen. We were always afraid of
Speaker 4: that that we were gonna get killed off, and it
Speaker 4: never happened, but it.
Speaker 3: Was so odd. Did you enjoy watching it back? Giermo
Speaker 3: and Sabrina, What did you guys think watching those fucking
Speaker 3: torture scenes? This is the episode, guys where Quinn is
Speaker 3: on Hawk's tarp and she's getting her teeth ripped out. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's iconic. It's an iconic Scandalip of.
Speaker 2: Course remembered that Huck gets crazy, but I did not
Speaker 2: really remember this, and so watching this scene after because
Speaker 2: it's like my first watch was like Gearmo was like
Speaker 2: I couldn't have imagined him as a person now that
Speaker 2: I know him to watch you. Also, when you lick
Speaker 2: Katy's face.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, zero, like that is even happening. I was
Speaker 3: scripted right, Yes, yet we took some risks on the show,
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't have been like, let me lick her
Speaker 3: face real quick in the shot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was definitely scripted. Definitely definitely.
Speaker 2: You're like, well, guys, I'm sick, but I'm not that sick.
Speaker 2: It was also like it was a reminder too of
Speaker 2: the shondness of the pushing the boundaries. Yes, so many
Speaker 2: moments where when you would cut out and scenes and
Speaker 2: you're like, they're not really going to show it and
Speaker 2: then like they do, and you're like, does what it wants?
Speaker 2: This is?
Speaker 4: This is the first episode two that they had to
Speaker 4: put a major like content warning before the episode starts. Oh,
Speaker 4: and so that tells you right there how much we
Speaker 4: pushed the limits on this one. I mean it starts
Speaker 4: off with me with the pliers and cleaning them with
Speaker 4: a you know, with a cotton ball with alcohol and
Speaker 4: just getting ready to dig into your mouth.
Speaker 2: Three. And we we know Quinn at this point, so
Speaker 2: it's not like seeing the typical victim.
Speaker 3: So it's really like intense, you know, barely watch it
Speaker 3: this time around. First of all, I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, Katie, slow it down with your acting.
Speaker 4: Just no, you were so good. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: You're your own worst critic. I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Clearly it got to my head that I was like,
Speaker 3: I only have my eyes to act because my mouth
Speaker 3: is covered with duct tape. So let's make sure that
Speaker 3: all my m and my like, my eyes are just
Speaker 3: doing the craziest shit you were. I washiking the shit
Speaker 3: out of those scenes. It was absolutely insane. But I
Speaker 3: just now that I know, I feel I think similar
Speaker 3: to you Subrina. It's like, now I know we're Quinn
Speaker 3: huck end Up. I just couldn't believe he did that
Speaker 3: to her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was super emotional too. I mean even Huck
Speaker 4: gets emotional in the scene when he's like, I've never
Speaker 4: done this to a family member or something like that.
Speaker 3: Right, he says, I love you, I've ever done this
Speaker 3: to someone I love.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you not only betrayed me, you betrayed Olivia
Speaker 4: as well. And I think that's what you know. He
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, we have to discipline her and set
Speaker 4: her right.
Speaker 2: Yes, it shows his intense loyalty live no matter how
Speaker 2: close they had gotten nothing, He's the loyal service.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yep.
Speaker 3: First of all, for listeners, Gimo Diaz, greatest, most giving.
Speaker 3: This is what I do remember. I remember Gearma being
Speaker 3: so kind. I was super freaked out to shoot these seas.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie, like, I felt very vulnerable. I
Speaker 3: was like, first of all, naked on a set pretty
Speaker 3: much like in a tiny bikini covered with duct tape,
Speaker 3: which is like never great. And then and then also
Speaker 3: like in it kind is never read not great. And
Speaker 3: then I just remember being like I'm scared to do this.
Speaker 3: It just felt really scary and Garmo, I just I
Speaker 3: have flashes of memory of you being like, if you
Speaker 3: want to like you just checking in with me between
Speaker 3: every take? Are you okay? Do you need anything? I'm
Speaker 3: here with you, Like you were such a caretaker, even
Speaker 3: though you were such a shit like your face. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was so crazy. I remember that, and I remember
Speaker 3: that I did this stupid thing actresses listening. This shit
Speaker 3: is so dumb, it doesn't work. Don't do it.
Speaker 4: Ever.
Speaker 3: I remember doing some juice cleanse the four days leading
Speaker 3: up to it. This was when juice cleanses were really
Speaker 3: big fifteen years ago. People would do it. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: remember doing that like forty work because I was like
Speaker 3: terrified that I had to be like in ended up
Speaker 3: seeing nothing, so it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but no you see you see you looking super
Speaker 4: snatched and hot when you're in the towel after Charlie
Speaker 4: comes to you to save you.
Speaker 3: I could have eaten the whole could have eaten the
Speaker 3: whole week.
Speaker 4: You see your shoulders, you see your back. Yeah, no,
Speaker 4: you look hot.
Speaker 2: You were a woman in distressed. There's nothing hotter.
Speaker 3: That's so true. It was horrible, and I remember, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I'm never gonna use cleans again. I'm so tired,
Speaker 3: like I have no energy, Like what a dumb rookie
Speaker 3: actor choice. That is just not necessarily.
Speaker 4: It's Tens.
Speaker 3: It's not your fault, if not my fault, it was Tens, Katie.
Speaker 4: I remember, speaking of diets and all that stuff. I
Speaker 4: remember you on our lunch break having an amazing looking
Speaker 4: salad and a big old thing of tupp aware and
Speaker 4: it had all these fancy lettuces and you just you
Speaker 4: dressed it with just olive oil and lemon, and you
Speaker 4: had turkey chopped up turkey in there. So you were
Speaker 4: super on that. Like I'm eating.
Speaker 3: Healthy, really fat all the time.
Speaker 4: I love that shit too, And my mouth is watering
Speaker 4: right now thinking about it because it looked it looks
Speaker 4: so good. Meanwhile, I was probably like eating a hot
Speaker 4: dog next to you or something, or a Mexican.
Speaker 3: Bowl Sabrina, what's your favorite lunch right now? To get
Speaker 3: back to scandal, I think my sister I saw Ghiaramo recently.
Speaker 3: I think my sister said this to Gueramo. But I, okay,
Speaker 3: there's something else about my scandal in ternsh of experience
Speaker 3: that does have to do with food.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 2: All we're on the topic that is really important to me,
Speaker 2: which is that, of course the experience of being on
Speaker 2: Scandal was so amazing, but there was something else that
Speaker 2: was really amazing about it, which was that I have
Speaker 2: the best cookie I've ever had in my life that
Speaker 2: I to this day nothing has compared, and I have
Speaker 2: never stopped thinking about it. And I talked to a
Speaker 2: lot of people in my life about it, and I
Speaker 2: think that my mom was like concerned and called my sister.
Speaker 2: I was like, I, this internship is going well, but
Speaker 2: she keeps talking about like the cookies.
Speaker 3: Wait, wait was the craft services going around with like
Speaker 3: warm cookies in the afternoon?
Speaker 2: You know how there was like a cafe on the law.
Speaker 3: I love that cafe.
Speaker 2: I used to get the kale salad, caesar salad and
Speaker 2: this cookie and it was like big and had sea
Speaker 2: salt on top.
Speaker 3: Oh. I used to get that cookie too, did chocolate chip?
Speaker 3: My mouth is a guyser waterfall.
Speaker 2: And what I'm talking about, well, I wasn't the best
Speaker 2: cookie in the world. And then I remember one time
Speaker 2: at the first production meeting where I was there, they
Speaker 2: had all these cookies and I was like, I need
Speaker 2: to eat one, and then I ate one, and then
Speaker 2: the production meeting was going on, and I kept going
Speaker 2: up and getting more.
Speaker 3: They were really oversized, right in a plastic individual bag.
Speaker 3: They were oversized chocolate chip cookies, and they had sea
Speaker 3: salt on them. But I think they also have an
Speaker 3: oatmeal option. Am I making this up? I think they
Speaker 3: had like another option too.
Speaker 4: But Katie, do you think we went to Sunset Gower
Speaker 4: this afternoon, me and you they would let us in
Speaker 4: to go to the commissary and get that cookie. Probably not,
Speaker 4: they'd be like, get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2: Maybe we go when we make the TikTok.
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. When I was in La recently, I was
Speaker 2: right across the street and I had the thought, I said,
Speaker 2: what if I just walked in there right now and
Speaker 2: asked if they still have this cookie? But maybe we
Speaker 2: all go to the cafe and we get the sal
Speaker 2: and the cookie and then we make a TikTok.
Speaker 4: That would be first. We have to get into the lot. First,
Speaker 4: we have to get past security.
Speaker 2: We get we greenlight, We get greenlight for a new
Speaker 2: project that films at Sunset Gower.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, just to get the cookie, just for the
Speaker 3: exactly what is happening. I'm so hungry for this and
Speaker 3: I am so excited and I can't wait for this
Speaker 3: to happen. Gladiators, you don't want to miss it at
Speaker 3: all of the Sabrina TikTok Social Medias any time of
Speaker 3: the episode. Fave highlight Carrie Washington School of Acting Moments
Speaker 3: of the Week. What were your highlight moments of this
Speaker 3: episode of People's Performances.
Speaker 4: One of my Carrie Washington highlight moments is when she
Speaker 4: speaks Chinese on the phone. I full on cracked up
Speaker 4: and was like, this girl can do anything anything, Like
Speaker 4: she's full on speaking to Chinese.
Speaker 3: Because she's talking to right, I was listening. They're trying
Speaker 3: to get Candy Alexander, who they're from Command. They're trying
Speaker 3: to get him her away from Rowan, and so they're
Speaker 3: trying to get her to Hong Kong with like fake
Speaker 3: social security, fake passports, like all this shit, and Carrie
Speaker 3: is just like on the phone with Hong Kong like
Speaker 3: I'm sending my mom. I thought, casual, just so casual.
Speaker 3: What about you, Sabrina.
Speaker 2: I it's so hard because so I haven't watched Scandal
Speaker 2: in a really long time. So to me, with every performance,
Speaker 2: I was like tweaking out because it was exciting to
Speaker 2: see all my friends again. I will say I was
Speaker 2: really excited to see Kelly McCreary because, oh my I
Speaker 2: again my Grays coming of age was posted Scandal. So
Speaker 2: now I'm in this place where I was like watching
Speaker 2: Scandal and then when I watched Grace and I'd be like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, both of Meredith's parents are from Scandal.
Speaker 2: Not that's right, people, it's the opposite. It's no, They're
Speaker 2: from Grays. And then they went to Scandal. So to me,
Speaker 2: just see one of those switcheroos, it was freaky and excite.
Speaker 3: She kill She's only in it for a short minute
Speaker 3: in this episode, but my god, she's so good. She's
Speaker 3: such a star. She just comes in. It's of course
Speaker 3: they just plucked her out of Scandal and placed her
Speaker 3: as a lead on Gray's Anatomy.
Speaker 4: That's and she has that Scandal pace down too, like
Speaker 4: she's she has a super spy like chick.
Speaker 3: I was obsessed with Paul Aedelstein's opening models to Sally
Speaker 3: about you need to switch to pro choice. He just
Speaker 3: comes in so huge in his choices and his commitment
Speaker 3: that it's just fuck, He's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: There were two others, Katie. I feel like that scene
Speaker 4: in the safe room where we're all live is on
Speaker 4: the floor, she's catatizhed, like she's going through it because
Speaker 4: her mother, she thought her mother was dead. And then
Speaker 4: the pace is so quick and so perfect. It's Abby,
Speaker 4: it's Harrison, it's Scott Foley and myself, and then we
Speaker 4: grab by and throw her on the table and then
Speaker 4: we have to dig that chip out of her neck.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and somebody says yeah, somebody says it's gonna hurt,
Speaker 4: and she says do it, and they just shove like
Speaker 4: something in her mouth, and then we just cut her
Speaker 4: neck and.
Speaker 2: Pull out the It's so fun to have those moments
Speaker 2: where you're like relive it because we in so many ways,
Speaker 2: hug and Jake are mysteries emotionally, but then in moments
Speaker 2: like that where they look at each other and they're like,
Speaker 2: we both know what to do because we were traumatized
Speaker 2: by this training and they're so on the same page.
Speaker 2: It's so interesting when we see like that kind of
Speaker 2: weird emotional connection.
Speaker 4: But that's so true. That's such a good point, yeah, true,
Speaker 4: and then the other one really quickly Katie is James
Speaker 4: and Cyrus when Cyrul says, like you slept with him
Speaker 4: in our house. Oh, I thought that scene was stellar,
Speaker 4: So proa scene.
Speaker 3: Dan Bugatinski's acting. It's for you guys listening. What goes
Speaker 3: on is Cyrus is trying to blackmail Daniel doug Daniel Douglas, guys.
Speaker 3: This is where my lip is not working. He's trying
Speaker 3: to fucking and have something on him, and so they
Speaker 3: he sends in James to like. Once they figure out
Speaker 3: that he's gay and he doesn't like, they keep trying
Speaker 3: to send women into Daniel Douglas to flirt with him
Speaker 3: and get him to cheat on Sally Langston and take
Speaker 3: photos of it so they can blackmail him and get
Speaker 3: Sally Langson off the ticket and get her out of
Speaker 3: their hair. And then they realize Daniel Douglas doesn't like chicks,
Speaker 3: he likes dudes, and so they send in James even
Speaker 3: though Cyrus is married to him. And the scene that's
Speaker 3: just absolute fire is when it finally comes out where
Speaker 3: James is like, you used me like you you used
Speaker 3: me as like a whore or whatever. He says, I'm
Speaker 3: trying to even remember what he said, and it's back.
Speaker 4: And forth with James and Cyrus is so properful because with.
Speaker 3: The laptop he shows I wanted divorce. I want a divorce.
Speaker 3: I wanted divorce. I want a divorce. I want a divorce.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I was gonna say it breaks down
Speaker 2: after that in front of Millie. I'm trying to again, please.
Speaker 2: Season three, I feel like at this point we had
Speaker 2: such like a slow burn with Cyrus of showing his humanity.
Speaker 2: So I feel like season three it was the fact
Speaker 2: that he's like crying and we're seeing the actual impact
Speaker 2: that his actions have on him emotionally. It's like we
Speaker 2: don't see that much of that from him at first
Speaker 2: because they keep him as such like a cold monster.
Speaker 4: That's so true. That's so true. Yeah, I feel like.
Speaker 2: At the time it was especially jarring and so sad,
Speaker 2: and I feel like also just touches on the theme
Speaker 2: of do I want to be a real person like
Speaker 2: the jam and the Vermont thing or want the political power?
Speaker 2: And here Cyrus, we know him as the person who
Speaker 2: political power is everything to him, but in this moment,
Speaker 2: it's like we see that.
Speaker 4: Crap, and then that that fractures quickly because then James
Speaker 4: is like, I'm taking my daughter and I'm leaving you.
Speaker 4: But then Cyrus. You see that monster come out of
Speaker 4: Cyrus again, and he's good luck because I have photos
Speaker 4: of you having sex with homeboy. Go ahead and try
Speaker 4: to take my daughter away, because I'll bring those out
Speaker 4: and that's not gonna be good. So yeah, you see him,
Speaker 4: you see the monster and then the his soft spot
Speaker 4: for his husband, which is his weakness. And yeah, it's
Speaker 4: so interesting, it's so good every I feel like.
Speaker 2: That's a theme in all of the characters, is like
Speaker 2: the idea of the political power versus being a human.
Speaker 2: But I feel like Cyrus, that's like his main Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: he's always so impactful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and in Olivia Pope, they do the same things.
Speaker 3: Are we gladiators or are we people? And it's like
Speaker 3: a very similar thing. Oh my god. I love breaking
Speaker 3: down this episode with you, Sabrina. You have such great
Speaker 3: these characters better than we do. Like we will be
Speaker 3: back with more after the break. Why were you so
Speaker 3: obsessed with scandal? Are you like a TV junkie and
Speaker 3: you always have a show? Okay, great, I'm great.
Speaker 2: Junkie, but I also the whole Shonda's whole way of
Speaker 2: putting a show together, and the really intense love triangle
Speaker 2: in the middle, and the ways that, you know, the
Speaker 2: casting choices that I feel like our thing in all
Speaker 2: of her shows, especially like the big thory like How
Speaker 2: to Go with Murder, Scandalut Grace, where like you meet
Speaker 2: a character and you it's not until seasons later that
Speaker 2: you have a different perspective of them. Like just all
Speaker 2: of those things that to me are just like the
Speaker 2: height of television entertainment. Along with the fact that obviously
Speaker 2: the writing and the craft of it is so gorgeous
Speaker 2: and incredible too. I just really had never seen anything
Speaker 2: like it, and it just really influenced me to want
Speaker 2: to be a Shonda one day and be the type
Speaker 2: of person who has a certain type of television I've
Speaker 2: created that I continue to repete in different ways.
Speaker 4: And you're doing that now. Use the character that you
Speaker 4: create on your own vignettes on your videos. It's such
Speaker 4: a special, quirky just outside of the box of it's
Speaker 4: just you've created these wonderful this wonderful character. So you're
Speaker 4: on your way.
Speaker 3: There were you Team Jake or team fits.
Speaker 2: So I was definitely much more in the It's hard because,
Speaker 2: like I hard, it's so hard for me, like Big
Speaker 2: Aiden Carrie, Like I feel like, ultimately, if I really
Speaker 2: had to pick, it would be Aiden, because even though
Speaker 2: I loved the Big Like storyline, I'm like, Aiden is
Speaker 2: so the best.
Speaker 4: But I hear you, I hear you.
Speaker 2: It's harder with this one because I I love that
Speaker 2: Jake is such an underdog. I love their connection more
Speaker 2: in ways, and I almost loved how it was less
Speaker 2: about the work and more about stripped down just their connection.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There were so many things about when Jake was coming
Speaker 2: in the scene. I was in the moment go with Jake. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they had physics, really done everything with it. I was okay,
Speaker 2: pay for that, not to let go. But I definitely
Speaker 2: it's a hard one.
Speaker 4: It's a hard one, really hard one.
Speaker 2: And I love a love triangle, Oh my god, I.
Speaker 3: Love a love triangle too. And poor ScOTF Foley has
Speaker 3: had the whole career of that. I feel like that
Speaker 3: was him on Felicity too, wasn't he just like oh yes,
Speaker 3: it was him and Scott Speedman and Kerrie Russell. Seven
Speaker 3: years I.
Speaker 2: Think interesting, he's so good at that.
Speaker 4: No cookies for those guys. No cookies because they were
Speaker 4: constantly naked, so they those guys barely eight on set,
Speaker 4: like they were always starving themselves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, me and Guirmo could do whatever we wanted. It
Speaker 3: was the best. Are there anything? Are you into horror, Sabrina?
Speaker 4: I love?
Speaker 2: I know that's GMO's pride and joy. I am into it.
Speaker 2: I would I couldn't. I feel we're saying around Girmo
Speaker 2: because I know it's like he's a scholar.
Speaker 4: Don't do it, don't deal it, don't do it, don't
Speaker 4: make me.
Speaker 2: Don't say but I I love like a good thriller,
Speaker 2: Like I definitely am into it. But I wouldn't say
Speaker 2: it like a horror junkie.
Speaker 3: Okay me, I hate them kidding.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was bummed out that this episode. I looked
Speaker 4: up everyone there. There's a couple of film films that
Speaker 4: are our wonderful producer found it. Jake Coleman was in
Speaker 4: a movie called The Land leading Paul Edelstein was in
Speaker 4: the menu. I looked those films up, and they're not
Speaker 4: true like horror films. They were like eh, But then
Speaker 4: I thought to myself, Yo, this episode is a horror film,
Speaker 4: and I thought that that made me so happy, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I was like, you, I loved shooting it. You loved
Speaker 3: I remember, I loved it.
Speaker 4: I love being insane on the show.
Speaker 3: Anything on Scandal happened where Hawk is crossing crazy shit
Speaker 3: and doing things that most actors would not be comfortable with.
Speaker 3: In that space, Girma was.
Speaker 4: I was into it, chomping at the bit for sure.
Speaker 3: I always felt uncomfortable, like in later seasons, they're giving
Speaker 3: me like a face rake to like murder this girl.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't like I like the
Speaker 3: walk and talk part, sitting in an investigation table, I know,
Speaker 3: like even the gun shooting, which I is the gun shooting.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, even now, I was uncomfortable. I was like,
Speaker 3: I am this is like I don't know what I'm.
Speaker 2: In And it's so funny because Germo as a human
Speaker 2: being is just a sweet little puppy, the sweet I
Speaker 2: was with recently and when we left we were just like,
Speaker 2: how someone so nice and amazing and something is so
Speaker 2: funny to me?
Speaker 4: Right drill people. But I feel like I liked it
Speaker 4: a little too much. I had too much fun, I
Speaker 4: think doing it. We had one director, Sabrina that would
Speaker 4: come up to me. I remember a few times we
Speaker 4: were doing an episode and he kept coming up to
Speaker 4: me and he would say, you're too maniacal. Why are
Speaker 4: you so maniacal?
Speaker 2: You're trying And I was like, Okay, you're like sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm literally having the best time in my life taking
Speaker 2: out Katie's teeth.
Speaker 3: I'm not, but because I love this. That's why I'm Anichail.
Speaker 3: I love doing this. I'm living my horror story dreams
Speaker 3: for near most six degrees of horror. I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's a true horror movie either, but Paul It'll
Speaker 3: find in the menu is fucking awesome. I loved that movie.
Speaker 3: He's incredible. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But it's not a horror film, right, It's not a consider,
Speaker 2: I think because it's more thrillery.
Speaker 3: Gotcha, Gee, can you please watch it and we can
Speaker 3: report back.
Speaker 4: On you to watch it. I'm going to watch it.
Speaker 3: Yes, all is amazing. Okay. Was there eating in this episode?
Speaker 4: Maya Pope eats a grape in a wide shot when
Speaker 4: Olivia brings her breakfast in a bag. That's the only eating.
Speaker 3: All the actors are only eating grapes. It's seasus.
Speaker 2: It's like, Mom, I got you breakfast, and she's.
Speaker 3: Just cutting up a grape into eight sections.
Speaker 4: Yes, and we see her eating. We see her eat
Speaker 4: it in the wide shot, and then when they're close up,
Speaker 4: she's just holding the grape while she's talking. I'm like,
Speaker 4: put it in your mouth, eat it. Oh, it's a
Speaker 4: delicious That ripe looks delicious. But other than that, there
Speaker 4: was no eating in this episode. But I remember you
Speaker 4: eating that salad, Katie, and that made me really excited
Speaker 4: being off set if camera.
Speaker 3: I thought they did a really good job of like
Speaker 3: when you rip off the duct tape of my mouth
Speaker 3: and stuff like blood comes out and stuff. I don't
Speaker 3: remember them putting like a blood pellet in there. I
Speaker 3: don't remember doing any of that.
Speaker 4: I don't remember that stuff either. Yeah, I don remember that.
Speaker 4: But I remember having to throw you up against the
Speaker 4: wall and it was all very much choreographed. We had
Speaker 4: because we were doing all this physical stuff and we
Speaker 4: were in this small space. It was on set, and
Speaker 4: we were on set Hucks. This is Huck's apartment, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: where he takes you over.
Speaker 3: No it's Quinn's apartment.
Speaker 4: It's Quinn's apartment, and they built it on set, remember,
Speaker 4: and we.
Speaker 3: Built it on that Yeah. And what I remember is
Speaker 3: that we did all the tour. It was one day,
Speaker 3: twelve hours, one day twelve hours straight of the entire
Speaker 3: torture scenario. And then my last scene of the night, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're so good. And then the last scene of the night,
Speaker 3: George Newborn showed up at ten or eleven o'clock at
Speaker 3: night to do the last scene where I have to
Speaker 3: drop and we have to make out right, And I remember,
Speaker 3: that's my cringe worthy We always talk about our own
Speaker 3: cringe worthy moments, which I've already been into where I
Speaker 3: was like, Jesus, Katie just slimmer down on the overacting.
Speaker 3: But the other thing is I love that Quinn's fucking
Speaker 3: teeth have been ripped out and she makes out with yeah,
Speaker 3: and she's, oh my god, it feels great, Like let's
Speaker 3: make out harder like I did one thing that was
Speaker 3: scripted where I'm like ow, and then I don't care.
Speaker 3: But you know what, maybe I'm going to justify that
Speaker 3: right now that Quinn is such a sick person and
Speaker 3: she's into how bad it hurts. Oh yeah, she's so
Speaker 3: messed up. It makes her feel alive. Right, that's so dark.
Speaker 3: That's so dark, She's so dark.
Speaker 4: It's true. Seeing you and George Newbern make out, it's
Speaker 4: like you guys are brother and sister, but on camera.
Speaker 4: Your chemistry on camera as as lovers is so believable.
Speaker 2: I was a stan I remember, because it's you like
Speaker 2: to see the characters who feel lonely and you want
Speaker 2: to see and the two of you guys were that.
Speaker 2: I was all for it.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, oh my god. That was my other
Speaker 3: cringe worthy moment is that scene again where Quinn and
Speaker 3: Charlie are going to make out but I say like, no,
Speaker 3: I don't have anyone and I'm alone, and because like
Speaker 3: she's saying, Hawk pulled my teeth out, so now like
Speaker 3: he's not my person. I don't have anyone. I don't
Speaker 3: have anybody, And I'm like.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you're acting was so good good and
Speaker 4: your hair was just slightly wet.
Speaker 2: My hair. I just like my hair.
Speaker 3: I liked my hair. I think you and I had
Speaker 3: no makeup on, which I'm always like, why do I
Speaker 3: prefer that?
Speaker 4: Look like? You look so good? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: I will really with blood dripping down my makeup.
Speaker 3: I liked my shower look like a lot like I
Speaker 3: was like, ooh, I cue that. I didn't like the
Speaker 3: blood look, but I did the towel.
Speaker 4: What other look I loved on you, Katie is when
Speaker 4: you and Charlie are walking away and you're like in
Speaker 4: a gray shirt with a black jacket and a ponytail,
Speaker 4: and your boobs looks so good that.
Speaker 3: I wrote on watching the sight, just in all.
Speaker 4: And I'm gay.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was boobs, and those boobs no longer exist
Speaker 3: because this was clean or just feeding two children for
Speaker 3: three years. I you were sat in rack and like
Speaker 3: a nice, perky.
Speaker 2: Good thing. It was documented.
Speaker 4: That's so true.
Speaker 3: I cletely agree. My husband was always like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: such a bummer that you didn't have to do like
Speaker 3: a topless scene like pre children, because what a gift
Speaker 3: like to just share because they were great and now.
Speaker 2: They are not.
Speaker 4: It is I'm sure, I'm sure they look great still better.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think, oh, yeah, you want to see you.
Speaker 3: I think honestly, if we weren't on video, I totally
Speaker 3: show you them. Everyone saying them, I don't care I would.
Speaker 3: I think they are good compared to people who had
Speaker 3: bad boobs and then breastfed, They're only going to be
Speaker 3: worse boobs. And I had great boobs and then I
Speaker 3: breastfed and now I have Okay, that's like the normal version.
Speaker 2: But anyway, boobs, the same, great boobs, but now they're
Speaker 2: just like enhanced by the experience of like external motherhood exactly.
Speaker 4: Thence their nuanced boobs.
Speaker 2: Yes, in a way, they're actually better because.
Speaker 4: They're like, I love you so much, Sabrina, I love
Speaker 4: you so much.
Speaker 3: Wait, okay, is there. I'm trying to think of any
Speaker 3: other moments in this chock full episode.
Speaker 4: There's one moment that we haven't talked about that I
Speaker 4: think is what carries. What it just makes this episode
Speaker 4: even better than what it is is the song that
Speaker 4: is playing constantly throughout the episode. It's Ben by Michael Jackson,
Speaker 4: sung by Michael Jackson, and the song is about a
Speaker 4: rat and the whole time, and and then at the
Speaker 4: end we find out that Maya, Olivia's mother is actually
Speaker 4: a rat. She's the bad guy. And I thought, how
Speaker 4: interesting is this that they chose this song and it's
Speaker 4: such a beautiful song, right, now a rat. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: about a rat. It's from a movie called Willard I Believe,
Speaker 4: which is about a guy who's obsessed with he has
Speaker 4: like a pet rat. He's obsessed with rats. I might
Speaker 4: be wrong about that, but the song is about a rat.
Speaker 4: The rat's name is Ben. Yes, yes, look it up.
Speaker 4: Look it up and look it up. I looked it
Speaker 4: up last night first.
Speaker 2: So yes, the music like nothing else like it. Oh
Speaker 2: my goodness, like the whole, the music of the whole.
Speaker 2: That was another thing. Oh yeah, when I was in college,
Speaker 2: I used to just like when I wasn't watching schedule,
Speaker 2: I was listening to the playlist.
Speaker 4: Really, I think it's.
Speaker 2: The freedom I needs mouth mentally. But also the way
Speaker 2: that like the music has this interesting juxtaposition.
Speaker 4: As to what's happening on screen.
Speaker 2: Yes, what's happening on screen. And also I feel like
Speaker 2: that song because of how they set it up with yours.
Speaker 2: She heard shy It's okay, this is a symbol of
Speaker 2: her childhood and this time of her life. But then yes,
Speaker 2: it's so sad that no, she never really had this
Speaker 2: innocent childhood, as it turned out, because nothing was innocent
Speaker 2: about the situation.
Speaker 3: It's is breaking it down, but breaking it down you
Speaker 3: could literally have your own podcast. Yeah out scandal episodes
Speaker 3: and what was really going on? And you look it up?
Speaker 4: Katie, did you look up Ben?
Speaker 3: Okay? I? First of all, I looked up the lyrics,
Speaker 3: which is one hundred percent about a rat. That's insane.
Speaker 2: It's just like the lyrics.
Speaker 3: You're like, Ben, the two of us need look no more.
Speaker 3: We both found what we were looking for with a
Speaker 3: friend to call my own. I'll never be alone, Ben,
Speaker 3: You're always running here to there? I'm like, which is
Speaker 3: at a rat?
Speaker 4: And it's also about Maya Pope? Right, She's always running
Speaker 4: to and fro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we thought she had daddy issues this whole time,
Speaker 2: but really she has wmy issues. That's oh my god,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yes, And her dad in like.
Speaker 2: A metaphor for growing up with your parents, and like,
Speaker 2: this whole time, she thought that he made this decision
Speaker 2: in this way to spite her, but really he was
Speaker 2: trying to protect us. I was obsessed with this twisting.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 4: It's such a shocker too, right, because you're like, oh damn,
Speaker 4: she's the bad one.
Speaker 3: She's a bad one. And the biggest shock of the
Speaker 3: whole episode other than I mean, it's a two for
Speaker 3: one banger, is just the ending two minutes which you
Speaker 3: better not fucking move on or check your phone, because
Speaker 3: a we've got that Maya Pope is the rat, thank
Speaker 3: you very much, Michael Jackson. And then we've got number two.
Speaker 3: Sally Langston murders her.
Speaker 4: Fucking's the bloody pope on the floor.
Speaker 3: There's blood everywhere, and Daniel Douglas is just a face down,
Speaker 3: And I don't know who she calls, who she calls.
Speaker 4: I thought she calls James, I thought, doesn't she Oh, Cyrus?
Speaker 4: She calls Cyrus.
Speaker 2: Gray.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, it's Ellis Gray, which is such a different
Speaker 3: character than Sally Langston is because Caper is such a
Speaker 3: good actress.
Speaker 4: And Sabrina she's Richard Burton's daughter who was married to
Speaker 4: Elizabeth Taylor. She's like Hollywood royalty. Katie says this all
Speaker 4: the time. You're the first one that said, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, she was like a theater queen, like Steppenwolf or
Speaker 2: Cyrus Iris is Steppenwolf, and she's been on Broadway eight
Speaker 2: million times.
Speaker 3: Here she wouldn't Yelle.
Speaker 2: She was a queen in that way. But I didn't know.
Speaker 4: Also the Holly her dad is Richard Burton, who was
Speaker 4: a master actor. He was Anthony. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I always feel like this Scandal president and vice
Speaker 3: president is Royalty because Tony Goldwyn is Goldwyn Metro Holly
Speaker 3: Royalty if that's his family, and family is Richard Burton.
Speaker 2: I know same and to be as good as he is, yes,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: Now I have a question for you, Sabrina. Did you
Speaker 3: ever tweet about Yeah?
Speaker 2: So, I gotta tell you I was not chronically online
Speaker 2: until I became a person online I really did. It
Speaker 2: really was that I became a meme on Twitter, and
Speaker 2: that's why I started to be like, I have to
Speaker 2: figure out how Twitter works. I never on it in
Speaker 2: high school and college. There's a lot of people I
Speaker 2: could call him from and be like how much did
Speaker 2: I talk about Scandal from twenty until? And maybe like
Speaker 2: a lot we were worried about you? That's my evidence on.
Speaker 3: And do you tweet now?
Speaker 2: Now? I just Twitter and Instagram and TikTok. Yeah, same
Speaker 2: thing you see me doing across all Doing the videos
Speaker 2: primarily is my way of bothering people.
Speaker 4: That it's making our lives better. It is, it's ringing
Speaker 4: us enjoyment and happiness.
Speaker 3: And we're going to read some tweets of the.
Speaker 4: Top Spanish bird people.
Speaker 3: But I'm born that you and I did not spend
Speaker 3: any time tweeting. But honestly your parents did a good job,
Speaker 3: and that you weren't on Twitter as a college student
Speaker 3: because it wasn't a safe space. Yeah, not great, but
Speaker 3: we have at Lauren K tweeted on December fifth, twenty thirteen,
Speaker 3: at Katie q Lows gets her face licked by Akia
Speaker 3: mo Diaz tonight. I shouldn't be as excited as I am,
Speaker 3: but what can I say? Yola?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, let's see. Leone tweeted that opening scene between
Speaker 4: Hocking Quinn was too disturbing and that completely destroyed any
Speaker 4: shippy feels. Whatever Leone hashtag scandals.
Speaker 3: Get over it, you liked it. Hocke and Quinn get
Speaker 3: together next year. Isn't that next season where we hook?
Speaker 3: I don't remember.
Speaker 4: I still remember. We'll find out either.
Speaker 3: At Empowered on December fifth, tweeted, just curious how many
Speaker 3: grad students like myself have said, oh, I'll finish this
Speaker 3: paper during scandal and have failed miserably see Sabrina. There
Speaker 3: were other college students just.
Speaker 4: Like you, yo, and at Karina Bailey tweeted, oh my quick,
Speaker 4: someone turned on a Christmas movie. That episode of Scandal
Speaker 4: was too little, too intense for me. And if you're
Speaker 4: gonna turn on a Christmas movie, turn on Katie's Christmas movie,
Speaker 4: which is called I've Got to.
Speaker 3: Christmas Takes Flight on CBS. I've also got Mary kiss
Speaker 3: cam on.
Speaker 4: That's it with Jesse Bradford Klis. I love him, bring
Speaker 4: it on.
Speaker 3: I love him so much. At Treymarra tweeted at Carrie Washington, Honestly,
Speaker 3: I didn't think hash scandal could get any more scandalous.
Speaker 3: It's crazy hashtag. I love scandal, y'all really quickly.
Speaker 4: One more acting thing that stood out was your feet, Katie.
Speaker 4: You did the best foot acting in this episode. The
Speaker 4: foot fetishists out there are like salivating over night episode.
Speaker 3: They're okay that glass you.
Speaker 4: Grabbed, the glass, you throw it on the floor.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh maybe I should like upload that somewhere
Speaker 3: that I can get paid for.
Speaker 4: You need to monetize those feet.
Speaker 3: Ya, Sabrina, Wait, where can people tell people what you've
Speaker 3: got going on? Where we can find you what you
Speaker 3: have coming out? Because Garmon and I are obsessed with you.
Speaker 3: I think you're a fucking star and I need to
Speaker 3: know everything everybody.
Speaker 4: Sabrina posted a picture of her and I when we
Speaker 4: went to dinner with her sister and her a really
Speaker 4: great friend and a few other friends, and so many
Speaker 4: people on Instagram were like, oh my god, I love her,
Speaker 4: I love her videos like over and over. It was crazy. Anyway,
Speaker 4: go ahead, where can we find I?
Speaker 2: You can find me on the internet, Sabrina Briar and
Speaker 2: I have do have some fun things cooking that I
Speaker 2: will be that haven't been announced that I will be
Speaker 2: talking about Stuon. So just follow me, you guys, and
Speaker 2: thank you so much.
Speaker 4: We love you so much.
Speaker 3: You have so much shit coming out that you're gonna
Speaker 3: tell us you are like a working busy bee. It's
Speaker 3: all happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll never forget this. This was such a treat,
Speaker 4: such a gift that you came on and we're so
Speaker 4: happy treat.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Sabrina. And next week we've got what is
Speaker 3: the name of it? Oh my god? Episode three ten
Speaker 3: a door marked Exit. I don't know if we have
Speaker 3: a guest, but you should tune in to find out
Speaker 3: because you know we've got the best guests like Sabrina
Speaker 3: here and we.
Speaker 4: Got that good stuff.
Speaker 3: Episode three ten Door Marked Exit. We love you Gladiators
Speaker 3: until next week.
Speaker 4: Adios amigos. Thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking
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Speaker 3: Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is
Speaker 3: Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.
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