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Prescription required restrictions at for hers dot com. 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:26.520 Apply right God Welcome Back, Episode twenty three, twenty. 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.679 Three Jordan's Yes, we in the zone, like the only 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.520 two three Jordan or Jan Old Joe. 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.560 So my mother would tell me, don't don't put on 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.560 twenty three, as you would say, don't know what you 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:37.840 wear that number anymore? 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:38.400 Say tired. 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.720 That's what my mother says about the Juny three twenty 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:42.400 three to Jordan. 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:42.720 Yeah. 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:44.679 So yeah, man, First and foremost, thank you guys for 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.920 your support. You know, it's been it's been a tremendous journey. 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:49.680 It's crazy, only twenty three weeks and it's like it 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:51.120 feels like we've been doing this like five years. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.080 Everybody asked, it's the same thing. This has only been 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.320 six months. Yeah, I haven't been doing this forever. That's 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:55.680 a fact. 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:56.520 This is a fact. 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:58.400 Twenty three episodes a great platform. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.400 I appreciate youall having Nah, thank you, thank you. So yeah. 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:05.760 Today is a very extremely special episode. We actually was 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.880 planning on speaking about a few things, but then we 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.600 had like an hour long conversation that kind of shifted 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.080 the conversation. I think we're going we got this is 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:16.920 this is gonna be a good one. So O May 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:20.799 and Chris Gotti, if you're not familiar, so Murder inc 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.720 Ran the music industry in the early two thousand when 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:29.040 I was in prep school in high school, I couldn't 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.080 turn on MTV of BT without Jaul shan t like 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:32.799 it was crazy. 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:36.079 They destroyed it. 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:41.280 So so yeah, so you might know obviously Jaul, but 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.000 Chris Gotti was one of the founding members. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.720 Yeah, me and my brother, you know IRV Gotti boy, 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.200 So this is Irv's baby. 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:52.280 I'm the uncle to Murder. 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.320 So yeah, so heavy in the music business. But we're 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.800 gonna talk about a lot of other things outside of music, 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:02.240 just business in general, because obviously this is a business podcast, 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:03.840 so we want to quip you guys with all of 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:04.520 the different. 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:05.080 Tools that you need. 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:07.320 So before we start, I want to tell a story 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.880 how we actually met because networking is powerful, right, that's. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:10.919 Right, relationships. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.520 Yeah, So Chris, he does a lot of different things, right, 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.560 He was a music exact, he ran a construction company, 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.280 really invests in real estate. And another thing that he 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.280 does is he's in the financial services industry. So anybody 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.480 that listens to the podcast, you know my financial advisor. 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:31.240 So long story short, we got introduced through a mutual 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:34.200 colleague and he's like you ever heard of Chris Gotti. 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:39.440 I'm like, yeah, of course he's I think you guys 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.760 should be I might be able to work together. So 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.320 we were I don't even know if you remember this, 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:46.839 but I have like an impeccable memory. So we were 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:59.960 in LA at Greystone, right, a nice club, Greystone fact, 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.600 that's crazy, that's crazy. So we was in Graystone, me 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:07.320 my man Mike, Mike was Scutt and so another one 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.360 of our friends, DJ suss One. 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:12.640 Yeah, we're from the same area. 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.000 So sus was DJing that night, and so we were 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.239 in like the v I P area, right, So Chris 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.480 was there, and I introduced myself to Chris. 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.040 I'm telling him, He's like, yeah, cool. 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.800 So we exchanged numbers and then when we got back 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.400 to New York, we actually met in the office and 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.200 just a super humble dude, Like you can kind of 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.880 just tell somebody's energy when you meet him. And that's 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.920 the first thing that I, I, you know, I noticed, 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:39.760 is that it just real humble and just you know, 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.279 just you could kind of feel like that energy of 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:46.159 just organic and just just a good dude. So but 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.760 that night was crazy though, because Rihanna was definitely there. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:53.320 I remember, and should. 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:53.640 I tell that story. 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:58.320 Tell this is a real one. So so my man Mike, 0:04:58.640 --> 0:04:59.120 my man. 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.400 Mike is there and I'm telling him. Club's closed at 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:04.320 like two o'clock. In LA, they'll close early. So we're 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.840 from the New York. Club's closed like four thirty, right four, 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.400 So it's like one thirty. The club is about to close, 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.520 and the VIP section is like real small. So we're 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:17.360 in there. We're right next to Chris and like three 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:21.280 feet away, I see Rihanna comes with her people. So 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.280 I'm like yo, I'm like yo, Mike, that's Rihanna right there. 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.520 He's like, let's not Rihanna. I'm looking right at her 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:28.279 like that, I see Rihanna, she's right there. 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:28.920 Facts. 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:32.200 So so he told he told Sus. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.640 So Sus obviously knows that. So Sus walks up to it. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.560 Like so he's in Suss like the introduced me to Rihanna. 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:42.039 It's us kind of like ignored him. So Sus talked 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.480 to her. So Mike tell me like, yo, get your 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:45.880 camera ready. I'm like, no, don't do that. 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:47.000 Don't do it, bro, do it. 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:48.520 Don't do it, brother, I get your camera. 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:49.880 Man. 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.919 So he walked up to her and I'm staying like 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.880 five people because I don't want to keep and he's like, yo, 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.279 he starts saying, He's like, you know, I get a picture, 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:02.960 and you know the way she looked at was so 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.240 so violently disrespectful. 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.040 It's the island girl that maybe. 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:13.040 The picture never got took for. 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.600 Shout out to Rihanna, shout out to shout she's doing big. 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.200 She's blowing up right now. I think millions. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.000 Yeah, don't worry about the music. Fenty is going to 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.120 take it out of this world. Shout out. Shout out to. 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:30.719 Jay Brown too. That's where it helps. Yeah, definitely, incredible 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:31.680 moves they make. 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:33.560 So all right, so we're gonna jump right into it. So, 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:37.359 like I said, my man Chris Ran, they murder ain't random. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.760 I can't really if you're not old enough to fully understand, 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:41.479 it's half for me to actually say how big that 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.600 they were. But you were telling me before, like you 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.160 had like a number one song on the radio or 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:48.680 something like that for like twenty weeks. 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.880 Not No, it's not just one song. It was multiple songs. 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.800 So you know, a lot of the misconceptions they just 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.920 think it was murder ink. But the reality IRV as 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.880 a producer who was one of the Biggs producers, if 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:04.359 not the biggest at that time, and we produced for 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:09.280 everybody the industry. We literally produced for the industry. IRV 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.160 was looked at it as the fixer. So if you wasn't 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.520 selling records, we called IRV gotti, let me get a 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.120 single or something, and next thing you know, you sold 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.040 some records. So we was I believe it's forty eight 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.480 weeks out of fifty two weeks at number one with multiple. 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.000 Artists outside what you said, forty eight weeks out of 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:26.760 fifty two weeks in a. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:27.960 Year, that's a different type of run. 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:29.240 Murder ain't had a song. 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.760 Imagine, imagine you do that, like you could understand how 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.920 powerful we were, or just from that saying that, like 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.360 every record exect, every label wanted to do business with 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.200 you because you was that hot. You're on the Billboard 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:47.520 charts every week and it's your music, your sound, like man, 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:52.560 it was. It was a great time. Thirty million more 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:58.240 than that now but yeah, you know who's counting, so yeah, 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.760 so all right, but over forty million. But before the 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:05.600 music industry started, you actually you ran a construction company. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.320 Yes, so can we talk about that, because that to 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.040 me was real interesting where you told me that you 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:12.880 were a millionaire before you got into music. 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.560 Yeah, that was me and my sister Tina. 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:21.560 You know, we found a general contractor actually did demolition, 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.080 and we wanted to do all of the building side 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.600 of it, not the demo part, and cut a deal 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.960 Ken Frolick Gateway Demolition. That was the name of the 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.520 company that's still existing. They are still out there. And 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.240 he cut a deal and we was able to bond 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.120 these jobs. So if you didn't understand what I mean 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.000 why you need to be bonded because you have to 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.200 have the money for the job in case something goes wrong. 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.040 So if the job is five million dollars, you had 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.040 to have five million dollars you know, to cover that 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.560 job or a bond they would covered for you. And 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.280 had to have the you know, all the assets that 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.480 you might need to acquire the bond for you. And 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.160 we didn't have it at the time, and you know, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:01.760 cut the deal and we went on a nice little 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:03.240 run with construction. 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.480 While you were doing a construction though, right, So you're 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.160 you learned a bunch of trades, right, and pretty much 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:09.319 did everything everything. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.760 I tell I like to tell everyone, I built everything, 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:17.720 but a bridge, right, think about that. I built high rises, buildings, 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.600 I did streets, you know, the roads and highways, parks. 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.360 I mean, there's nothing I really didn't do from a 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.520 construction standpoint. And we did the concrete side, which is 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.360 so if you think of a from a dollar standpoint, 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.360 if if there was a job to build a building, 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.120 the biggest part of that job is the concrete, right, 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.559 That's the foundation, that's all the walls, that's everything going 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.760 up the floors. And that's what we did as a 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.839 black owned company. It was crazy, all self taught, all 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.959 self taught, and everything self taught because you all right, 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.160 so you still didn't go to school. So that's a 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.360 big deal for me, Like I always throw that out 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.760 there because I let everyone know you could do it right. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:58.720 You don't have to go to school to learn. You 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.360 could learn on your own, but you got to have 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:02.040 the will to learn. 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.120 And I did definitely have to be glad you said 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.680 that because we actually had an episode we talked about college, 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:08.960 and more and more people are saying, like, it's college 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.319 worth it, right, So we're not discourage anybody from going 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.199 to college, but there are ways to be successful if 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:15.040 you don't go to college. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:15.280 Right. 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:19.800 So you okay, but college helps, right, So let me 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:21.440 answer that. 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.880 Does college help? Do you agree that college helps? 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.719 It depends on the I think it can help. It 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.040 can help, It has the potential to help. 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:32.760 You know, when I think of myself, I don't think. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:37.320 I don't look at myself as typical average, right, I 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.319 think and only because of I knew my drive. When 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.400 I watch these other people, everyone doesn't have the same 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.240 passion and devotion. 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.880 You know, dedication to do these things. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:51.319 So education is something to fall back on that could 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:55.600 at least get you into a stability from a lifestyle, right. 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.440 You know if you ask me, you know, people talk 0:10:58.480 --> 0:10:59.920 to me all the time about that, and I'm like, 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:01.520 I didn't know what the hell I was gonna do. 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.040 I had no clue. I filled out to be a 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.800 sanitation transit police. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:09.839 But no, no, but this is real. 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.720 This is these are real jobs, like especially like in 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.040 our community, Like a sanitation job is like hitting a 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:15.920 lottery right, Like. 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:18.360 Well, when you didn't go to school, this is what 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:19.240 you did exactly. 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.600 So I'm glad you said that because it's like, Okay, 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.680 you became a construction worker, right, but then. 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.040 A laborer at seven thirty one Local seven thirty. 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.400 You could have just called it a quits at that, right, 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.640 But what made you say, Okay, I learned construction from 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.640 working construction and turn it into a business. 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.120 I actually, at a very young age, I looked at 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.200 it as it's the trades. 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.880 I talked to other laborers. 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.320 And they was millionaires from being a laborer because that 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.240 annuity that they had they worked, yes they worked twenty 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.400 plus years, but they had an annuity in their union 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:58.559 that was over a million dollars. So I'm sitting there like, damn, 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.760 you could do this. You gotta shovel, that's all you 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.600 gotta know. You have over a million dollars waiting or 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.800 you could access whenever you want. And that was very 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.959 intriguing to me. And it was from a trade standpoint. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.320 So all I did was say, let me learn these trades, 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.400 and it's something that they could never take away from you. 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.520 I always had a chip on my shoulder cause I 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.720 didn't go to school. I'm five years in high school, Okay, 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:26.480 So not because I didn't wasn't smartest because I didn't go. 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:28.720 I wasn't showing up. I just wouldn't go. 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:30.679 But I go in take a test, get seventy five, 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.400 eighty five, and be out. It's just who I was. 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.280 And it's like I always look at education is damn 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.360 what if I did do it? Or Okay, I don't 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.200 have it, what am I gonna do? Like what do 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.120 I have to fall back on? Like if I got 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.640 to support myself, my family, whatever it may be, without 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.160 an education to go get a job, because when you 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.800 really start going to get a job, you realize they 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.760 don't want you unless you have that piece of paper 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.439 or you have something behind you. Like you go out 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.920 just looking for jobs to pay for your life. There's 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.800 only a few things that I looked at that you 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:12.920 could actually make a really good living without the education. Again, 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.440 when you talk about police, you could do that with 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:16.560 those jobs. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:17.440 Like a plumber. 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:19.200 Yeah, but a trade. Yeah. 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:21.240 That's one of the things we stress too, is like 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:22.800 everybody's not going to go to college. 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.439 We know that got to it's not for everybody. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.920 So it wasn't for me teaching kids trades that they 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.959 can still have a successful life with. And that's the 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.240 thing that they don't show them. Man, like go to college, 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:34.920 go to college, get a four year degree. I'm an 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:36.760 education so like, yeah, that's a big proponent of it. 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.880 I'm like, like, I know kids that coming out of 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:40.520 high school, they're not going to college, so we got 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.960 to prepare them for other things like construction could be 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.880 something like where we're from, like we said, sanitation. 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.920 Is huge and look, everything insane. 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.800 It resonates with me so strongly because I always wanted 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:54.480 to empower my people, always talk to my block, telling 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.760 the kids what they should do don't do. And when 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:02.040 you think about from a work standpoint, again that construction, 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:03.319 it was. 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:07.840 A very good job for something you don't own. 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.360 From talking from a nine to five standpoint, you made 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.680 a very good wage and you could really grow it 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.040 if you want to, like we did. And that's what 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.520 I did, and again I recommend it still to this 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:23.000 day because you cannot take that skill set away. Someone 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.920 has to build these homes, someone has to build the roads, 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.480 the highways, and they get paid a very well, very 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:30.040 good wage. 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:31.240 But so you. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.040 But but you was entrepreneurial enough to see the flip 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.520 side of the coin where it is a good job 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.800 to get paid, but the owner always makes more an employee. 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:44.160 No matter what business it is, NBA construction, the owners 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:45.520 always going to make more risks. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:47.640 As the owner, you have the risk, you should get 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:48.160 the reward. 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:48.760 Exactly. 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:49.680 It's that simple. 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:53.400 You know, I'm for all the NBA players making as 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.000 much money, but the risk still lies with the owner, right. 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.280 So so because you had to start, I just thought 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.360 about this. You did a family business twice. You did 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.120 a family business with your sister. I think you did 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.080 a family business with your brother, right, So we talk 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.200 about that as well as far, especially in our community. 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:10.120 We don't understand the power of a working together enough, 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.760 but also the power of family businesses. 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:13.000 Right. 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:14.560 It's something that you. 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.400 Know, they say it's the hardest thing to do. Work 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.080 with family, Work with family, you know what. I think 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.680 that is very difficult. So I work, I work with 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.080 my family. I'm blessed. I think. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.080 I think it depends on your family, right because I mean, 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.400 if you have a good relationship, If Jory that's my 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.800 that's my brother, we work together, it's no problem. But 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.920 if we have a bad relationship, then the business. 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.520 Is going to be bad. Took a different I think 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.120 I think just want of you hear on this mic 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:46.280 studio said that. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:47.280 Let me actu you construction. 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:51.320 So because a lot of listeners everybody's not able to 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.040 make it the music, right, that's a fact, even though 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:55.440 a lot of people do want to make the music. 0:15:55.640 --> 0:16:00.000 But anybody can be a carpenter, a construction worker, a plumber, 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:01.760 and anybody can own their own company. 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:01.960 Right. 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.680 So for somebody that's a construction worker or just interested 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.760 in being an entrepreneur, how did you how did you 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.200 get your own company? As far as the constructuse there's 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:11.600 a lot that goes into it, as far as in 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:12.040 New York. 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.400 City, and we wasn't doing like homes, like a local 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.480 construction company. I didn't start off there. I started write 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.800 off with city jobs which you had to bid on 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.480 and becoming honestly, that's my sister Teama worked in the 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.640 office of a company called Prew. 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:32.640 Construction, and she learned how the bids got put together. 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.560 She didn't know how many men it would take or 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.720 how to actually build the wall, but she knew exactly 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:43.360 how many screws pieces of rebard that went in the wall, 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:45.840 which is how you got to the formula to make 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.560 the bid. And then she also knew how which is 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.080 to me, the hardest part of the business to collect 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.000 to know how to do all the paperwork to get 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.240 to the city offices to make sure they pay you 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.080 when you finish a portion of the job, because you 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:03.160 got paid portion. And one day she just asked me, 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.280 can you put up a wall? And how many men 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.680 do you need? And I answered her and she was like, let's. 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:09.720 Start her own company. 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.160 And the audible thing is that you didn't just look 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:13.720 for anybody to hire, like, no, I. 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:14.280 Wasn't the community. 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.240 I went back to my people again and educate them, 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.920 taught them to trades, but they have to want it, 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:22.080 Like I can't give you that. You have to want 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:23.880 it they give you a job. I had to fire 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:27.000 a lot of guys too, you know, because they wasn't working. 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:28.920 This is business, so if you're not working, I got 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.560 someone else. And then you started realizing different differences, like 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.560 an older guy that might have kids is way more 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.119 reliable than that young guy that's ready to go party 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.879 every night. You know, you didn't think about those things 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.720 at that moment. Now you started looking at that. And 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.000 I would give the older guy the job before because 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:47.640 I knew he had to feed his family. I would 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:51.440 do things like that. But I really had an incredible 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.439 crew of an array of different people. I had just 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.800 two Italians, but the rest was all black or Spanish guys. 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.240 That were. 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.120 We was over forty two employees we had. 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.680 So how do you scale, like, because I mean, I 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.080 guess that's a lot of money to start a construction company, Like, 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:09.520 how do you scale? 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.560 Well, okay, so we was blessed right and we were 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.399 smart enough to get that deal done, which was the 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.000 fifty to fifty deal where they put up the bond 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:20.800 for the job, we have to bid the job, and 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.360 we won the first job. It was a Queen's Queen's 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:28.920 colding park in Queens. It was a job for about 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.479 a million dollars. It was about eight nine hundred thousand 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:33.920 and some change and we bid the job. 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:34.280 Want it. 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.960 So now we're funded because now we went to our 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.840 partner who's fifty to fifty partners on all the profit, 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.600