WEBVTT - Featuring Navia Robinson 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.160 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the Less Bureau Podcast. 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:09.520 I'm so excited because my dear friend Navia Robinson is here. Guys, 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:13.680 I'm so excited to be here, my dear friend Sammy 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:18.160 here obviously because it's your podcast. Really, this has been 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.720 so long overdue. Yes, it totally has. We've been talking 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:22.960 about this for ages, and I'm so glad to finally 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:25.200 be here. I was thinking about it and I met 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:29.680 you in that sounds correct, And at that time I 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.120 had just come back from the UK and I was 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.920 filming a show and I am pretty certain I was 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:37.520 speaking to you. And what was a British? Were British? 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.159 I was convince she was British. Guys. We were all like, 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:42.920 I was my first big shoe and I worked with 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.599 three Dio Disney and it was at the Sacks fifth Avenue, 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.279 like rand opening, and I met Navia because we were 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:52.240 we were the only kids there, yes, that were like interviewing, 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.040 and then she was like British and my mom was 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:56.440 there and my brother is there, and I remember us 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:59.720 leaping be like what was her accent? Is she British? 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.640 So funny to me. I remember quite a few things 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:04.240 from that night. Well, first of all, I want to say, 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:05.840 I don't understand why I was talking in a British 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.440 accent because I played an American character on that show. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.319 But I was also at a very impressionable age, and 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.200 so I guess I just soaked up that accent. I 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:15.880 probably liked it a lot, because you know, I was 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.040 like loving it. Doesn't love a British accent, beautiful accent. 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:22.440 And I'm sure my castmates were like this, go on, Um, 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:27.280 I was there for three months, okay, but an impressionable age, Yes, exactly, 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.479 thank you so much. I'm helping you, trying to help me. Yeah. 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:35.280 We also saw we bonded over seeing Neil Patrick. We 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:39.000 were like, we're freaking out because yes, I just remember 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.600 bonding over. I mean already. It was quite a strange 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.399 circumstance because it's a very novel experience. We were at 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.920 Sax Fifth Avenue working there for like the window unveiling. 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.400 It was special and we were still they shut it 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.320 down the store that day, and we were so young 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.360 and it was so overwhelming and surrounded by adults too. 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.360 Of course, I was so scared because here you were, 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:02.600 you know, you're you're an actress. You've been on TV. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:06.280 I this was coming up on my since my first 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.040 real year like working with them, and I hadn't done 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.280 anything like that before. You must have made quite the impression. 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:16.440 This is you're one, you're two. If this was your 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:21.120 year one, yeah, wow, and you're already that's incredible. I 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.520 was just like, I still have stage fright in a way, 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.480 and particularly at that age. I think when I started, 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.760 I was like five or six years old, so I 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.920 had no fears and no insecurities. Yeah, you don't think 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.200 about it. And then at eleven and then probably until 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:39.560 like fifteen, I was just a mess. Do you still 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.840 have stage right when you act? Yeah, a little bit. 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.440 I'm getting rid of it because I think you literally 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:46.920 have to in order to you know, be vulnerable or 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.520 like unfold in front of the camera. You have to 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:52.359 like try to get rid of that anxiety. But as 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.200 you get older and you develop more in securities and 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.639 like whatever in your teenage years, it's it gets harder. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.680 I think being filmed during your teenagers while you're going 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:04.720 through puberty is an experience that so few know. But 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:06.920 the few people that I know, such as yourself, have 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.680 gone through it. It seems like it's been a whirlwind. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:15.880 You're so good at this. I need to answer the question, 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.760 but I can't help. But um, well, yes, it's so weird, 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:21.799 and maybe not want to watch the show I was 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.040 a part of for that period of adolescence. But I 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.960 think now literally every single person is going through it, 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.160 maybe in a you know, just in a different way. 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.280 We all have social media now, and kids have Snapchat 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.359 and they'll broadcast that to their friends, and maybe it's 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.440 inescapable for them too. So I feel for everyone. I 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.760 think we're all going this really. I mean, in today's times, 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.960 it's just we're so exposed. What was it like growing 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.400 up having so many eyes on you and the pressures 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.360 of social media? With that, I know you're barely on 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:54.640 social media. If we love, we stand, but you know what, 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.160 mental health is a priority and I get that. So 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:58.760 what was that like? Because I remember, for a minute, 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.360 they're in like and you were really active and you 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.520 were I remember I ran into her. I remember I 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.920 ran into Navia at Beauty Content was before we became 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.880 like friends, and I remember she was just I was 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.520 seeing her just always posting and just on the ground. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.920 I was like, how does this girl? Um? I love you. 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.120 I feel like that was a different person. It's hard 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:23.560 to even I mean, that's what you are at thirteen 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.960 or whatever. You're just kind of like a sponge soaking 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.200 up your environment, what's arounding, what other people are doing. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.760 And so that really doesn't feel like me as much 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:33.960 as it feels like a character that was like an 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.680 amalgamation of the people around me. So that's kind of 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.360 my answer on that. I don't know how I was doing, 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:39.440 and I don't. I just don't think I had the 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.600 self awareness at the time to like really be introspective. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:44.480 You know, maybe at that time I should have been like, 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:48.800 you know, you're learning. Yeah, you've always been so mature 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:52.200 and I am always so just in awe of how 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:54.760 like we are very similar in that where I think 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.080 we're a lot older than our age and have always been. 0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:59.919 And I think it's just it's a struggle for people, 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.400 especially making friends with people are age. I think that's 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.360 one of the reasons why we connected, because it's hard 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.119 to it's hard to find people that have the same 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.760 drive or don't want to focus on the same things 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.520 like social media. I mean, yeah, and gosh, that's a 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.159 good point. I think that is why we connected, and 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.560 you've always been so good at managing social media and 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.240 being I know it's really I mean, from my perspective 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.640 at least like being on it um for an appropriate 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.400 amount of time. But also I don't know, it just 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.760 seems like you're well balanced and you just traveled to Europe. 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.520 Can I say that you just traveled to Europe by yourself? 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.600 I mean that's like a testament to who you are, 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.160 not just drive, but your own you know, esteem and 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.240 confidence within yourself. And I'm really inspired by it. Thank 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.479 you so much? Did you enjoy yourself? So it was 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:47.000 up and down. Solo travel is not easy, but I 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:48.560 wanted to prove to myself that I could do it 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.440 because I was just we're just overcoming anxiety. That's just 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.000 the goal, you know. I've been thinking of my life 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.800 is like three months increments and I'm like, Okay, who 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.120 am I going to be in the next three months? 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.080 And how can I grow to that person? That's good. 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.800 That makes me anxious thinking about it, But that's good. 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:05.919 But I mean does that help you? That helps manager? 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.599 And it helps manage my anxiety because if I think 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.960 of everything over a year, Oh, but then when I 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.760 think of little increments, and for me, so travel with 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.280 something I've really wanted to do, but more so I 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.240 saw someone some friends do it, and I was really 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:25.440 inspired by them, and I just was prepared. I well 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:27.839 researched my area before I went. But I spent like 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.040 six days in Paris by myself. Wow, oh, I have 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.240 so many questions. What are your questions? I just, um, 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.360 did you meet anybody while you were there? No? I 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.400 was by myself. Did you you said it was up 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.800 and down? What was that? What did that tradectory look like? 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.320 First day? You were up and then maybe? So here's 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.600 my here's okay. So basically I the flight was fine. 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.720 I get to Paris. My phone isn't working, and I'm like, 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:56.240 oh it was. And for those who don't know me, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.600 I'm an anxious person and this was just testing my anxiety. 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.920 So I my phone wasn't working, I couldn't text. I 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:08.080 logged into the WiFi of airport and then finally allowed 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.400 me to log on, but I still couldn't reach. I 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:12.560 got a car before because I knew I wouldn't be 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.679 able to read the airports because it was all in French, right, 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.600 So I was very cautious of that, and then so 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:23.760 I couldn't find my driver. I eventually found him, smart 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.239 by the way he didn't. It was It was weird 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.120 because I was told that my driver that I that 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.880 I got um had a flat tire, and so this 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.120 driver was going to bring me that driver. But this 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.200 driver didn't do that, and so in my mind, I'm like, oh, 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.480 my goodness, I'm just in a car with this person. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.160 No I am in France. If you're me, I'm thinking 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.160 that this is I'm thinking I'm being Yeah, i think 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:49.320 I'm being kidnapped. I'm thinking all the worst things, like 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.560 phone isn't working, it's a hundred and five degrees when 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.960 I land, and that it was during like the heat wave. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.600 So did it get better better from there? Not much 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.880 better from there, I think. So. I have always been 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:05.320 very aware of like the mind to body connection and 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:09.560 how like your mental health, your anxiety, how it can 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:13.800 manifest in your bodies physically. But it was so aggressive, 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:15.720 it was hard to take control, and because no one 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:17.320 else was there, no one can help me snap out 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.720 of my own mind. So it was a challenge in 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.520 that respect, but I pushed through it and it was 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:28.720 really good. I made my own perfume in Paris. I mean, 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.560 there's no other place in which you should make right now, 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.800 but you can't spell it war off. Yeah, perfumes don't 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.280 wear on me at all. Yeah, exactly, that's what I mean. 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.040 So fast, so fast, I don't know. Yeah, I put 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.600 someone like two minutes ago. I went to the Liful Tower. 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:48.080 I went. Everything there was like all my meals. It 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:52.200 sounds very romantic. It was very romantic, but so inexpensive. Well, 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.600 I'm going, you're gonna I want to go to Europe. 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.520 Wanted we should go. We should get a group who Oh, 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.320 I literally have a friend's in Paris right now. I'm 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:01.880 not going to say their name because they like to 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:05.600 be like, you know, down down, and that would be 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.920 so fun. So you're moving to Atlanta for six months 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.400 next week, Sammy, I am so happy to see you. 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.040 It really is, like obviously, it's a pleasure to see 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.000 your friend who you love and trust and get tough 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.800 great conversations with. So I I am busy, but I 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.800 think I'm kind of like in for opinion for a pound. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.080 If I'm busy, I don't mind being even busier if 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.480 the new ends. Absolutely, I know, because if you're already 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.160 in it, you're like, yeah, also, you're not like a 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.160 thing on the to do list. I'm happy to see you. 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:37.280 I'm feeling a lot of things about I'm from Atlanta, 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.240 so it's going to be going back. I'm going back, 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.160 and I really I think in the past year, I 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.120 found my place in l A and found my friends 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.599 and kind of falling in love with it in a 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.319 way I didn't think I would. I was like, l A, 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:52.360 you know that's so, you know, we became we probably 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:57.720 became friends this time last year, yeah, August, yeah, or July, 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:03.120 probably July. We met in um catch up lunch, and 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:04.520 I feel like knowing each other for years, and we 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:08.320 actually became friends. We talked about shows, yeah exactly. We Yeah, 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:13.960 we've been acquaintances, like really warm acquaintances, acquaint acquaintances, acquaintances, 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.400 and then we actually became friends. Like a year ago, 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.240 we were in such a different place. We were, Yeah 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:26.680 you were in college. Well yeah, yeah, in college, in 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:31.920 college going to school. But honestly, something that's really genuinely 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.960 like motivates me and inspires me. It is like how 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:39.160 much you're still motivated by school and determined like it 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.600 pushes me to be like, you got this, that's really sweet. 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.920 First of all, your commitment to both maintaining your career 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.120 and also, you know, pursuing an academic career has really 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.040 been inspiring to me. Um, but also just the fact 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:57.240 that you are very thoughtful about your future. So whatever 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.120 that means, it might not mean completely you know what. Ever, 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.520 it means you're just super thoughtful about it. And I 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.120 think I really want to adapt that to my life. 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.480 So I am currently on the route, you know, attending 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:09.160 a four year but at the same time, I'm like, 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:14.120 I like your totally. I like your fluidity that you've 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.240 embraced in your life and managing it, and I think 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:20.400 I want to apply that to my It's because I 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.600 I've been learning there is a gray area, and I've 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.520 been and I struggle with that. I'm like the other 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.280 you know, there's this whole gray area. So I'm just 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:33.120 taking it semester by semester and seeing what life happens. 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.959 Because also, like, school is always there and I know that, 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.440 and I'm learning a lot while there. But on the 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.959 other hand, if an opportunity would present itself, it's always 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.280 it's always there as a backup. Totally. I think that's 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.120 a perfect way to put it. I mean, you have 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.440 to live your life, and life is unpredictable, and to 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.120 think that we can plan it outstep by stuff, it's 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.880 just unreasonable. I am guilty of it, but I'm trying 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:59.199 to step How does your go ahead? Sorry, no, it's 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:03.920 just it's hard. How does your anxiety manifest? Oh? My, 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:11.640 so many different ways? Socially, academically, Okay, what else is there? Generally? 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:17.640 Um like, generally it's alwa, It's just it's always there 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.760 in some type of way. I also have O c D, 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.640 which makes it it's just like they feed off each 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.800 other and it's just not it's not it. I've just 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:27.720 been coming to terms with the fact that I may 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:32.000 be an anxious person. I really deny. I mean, this 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.360 is not diagnosed, and I don't know for sure if 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:38.360 I am. But I think I'm realizing that anxiety has 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:41.640 a lot of different definitions or off in a lot 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:45.400 of different ways, and I think I'm I'm super guarded 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.160 and sometimes and I think maybe that's just a form 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.880 of being anxious or like, definitely have a lot of 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.160 career academic anxiety. I find myself very much living in 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.480 the future or living in daydreams to try to like 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:01.920 cope with my fear about the present. Oh same, is that? 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:03.559 What that is? Do you do the same thing? I 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.720 do that too. It's it's really hard, especially I think 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.079 the times that we've lived in for the past two 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.880 and a half years, we've been daydreaming for like the 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.400 next thing to get out of where we're at. And 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.320 I feel like we're finally started at this point where 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.520 it's like we should be also be enjoying where we are, 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.120 but it's so difficult. Is that how your anxiety manifest 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.680 would you say? I think so? I think I'm yeah, 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:30.720 I think I'm also just super sensitive to like over stimulation, 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.520 which is kind of inevitable right now. Like you are 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.480 a young person who's grown up in the age of 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:40.040 the Internet and social media, you have so much coming 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.280 at you all the time, even if you try to 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.600 mitigate it, like I'm barely on Instagram, but still like 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:51.120 if I you know, being an actor, particularly entertainment should 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.200 be recreational, but it's also it's all I know exactly. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.360 It's studying. When you listen to a podcast, it's it's studying. No, 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:01.040 I love podcast. My dad sorry, study, and I'm like, no, 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.560 I'm just listening. Try. It's hard, but it's hard, and 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:08.120 it's hard not to like watch something or see a movie, 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.720 which I love doing. But at the same time, that's 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.240 my career. So I get anxiously like, gosh, why am 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:14.920 I not doing something like this? How can I do 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.199 something like this? I like that my brain just feels 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:18.839 like it's always on, and I think a lot of 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.320 people experience the same thing. So I don't know what 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.000 to call it. Is it like, is that anxiety or 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.280 what is that? I think it manifests in so many 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.080 different ways. But when you know how a sausage gets made, 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.640 you know the process, it's so natural for that to 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:37.080 be Like, I wonder what they did about this totally. 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:41.240 I like the idea, though, like you can't explain art 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.520 down to a science. It's not meant to be. It's 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.400 not it's it's not math, it's not you know. It's 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:51.320 like I think, I I've been actually considering what I 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.920 want to study. I'm at a crossroads. I've always said 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:58.000 I wanted to like definitely pursue something, you know, social 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.440 science and sociology, cultural loss of apology, yes, something like that. 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.160 But that I don't. I mean, I do really love 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.560 movies and I want to get behind the scenes of 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.200 it one day, And so should I be pursuing that. 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.960 I'm like, you can do both. Yeah, there are some 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:16.360 curriculums or some programs for sure. Major double major major, minor. Yeah, 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.360 I guess that's probably the answer. But at the same time, 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.880 major and like film and then minor in psychology. That's 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.320 probably the route that I'm going to go. I could 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:30.440 could you see that from that's pretty badass? Okay, we 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:32.320 have to take a quick break, but when we come back, 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.560 I want to talk about other aspects of the industry 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:38.880 might be interested in partaking in, and some existential life questions. 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:49.200 We'll be right back and we're back. I could see 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.640 you doing some producing and directing in the future too, 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.880 I think that is. I mean, i'd like the idea 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.880 of control. Oh, same, I love the idea of it too. 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.960 It's so and I've just been Yeah, I've been an actress, 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.080 just kind of reading the lines I've been given. Um, 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.000 I do more than that. I would probably should't be 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.920 that reductive, but in essence, I've just been performing other 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:15.520 people's dreams and writings Since I was six, and I'm like, Okay, 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.960 I think maybe I want to I want to do 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:22.560 my own things. Yes, what was that entail? Um? I 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.040 definitely like the idea of writing. I've always loved writing. 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:27.400 Did I not tell you to do this? Like a 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.840 year ago? Na, I believe we had this exact conversation. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.200 I would be like, yeah, you were really even really 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.840 good at like writing or doing something. I'm sure you 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.920 did because truthfully, and you're gonna deny this, you're always 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:40.960 a few steps ahead of not just me, but just 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.160 I feel like you're a very much a big picture 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.440 thinker and maybe when some people aren't ready for it. 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:48.720 I remember having this conversation. I was like, I feel 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:52.920 like we've had this conversation before. Um, probably definitely just 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.200 coming around too late, and I'm definitely coming around to it. 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.240 I think it. I had like an epiphany probably like 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.760 winter of last year, and I was like, oh, you know, 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:02.920 I don't have to wait. When we went to the 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.000 team books summit, Oh my gosh. Maybe around that side. 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.680 That was fun. That was the day. It was a 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:11.719 long day. That was that was a super long day. 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.639 But I think you've had it changed. My god. We 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:16.680 were at We went to the Team Books summit together 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:20.159 and it was in December, and I chose to wear 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.080 a dress, a sun dress I should wear, thank you, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:29.120 but very not warm, um and true. So we went 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.480 across the street at one point when there was like 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.800 no speakers or anything, and Urban Outfitters was having a 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.480 pretty good thing and I was like, let me get 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:42.359 some pants and sure, and remember boots. I did get 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.480 a pair of boots and I love them, wear them. 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:48.600 I haven't the summer, but they are in storage for 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:50.840 my in my dorm room and we're going to whip 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.920 him out this year and we're just gonna rock them good. Oh. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:56.600 I can't wait to see them again. Those are I 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.120 think one of my favorite pair of boots I bought. 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.479 It's not the best when you want to posibly buy 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.320 something and it ends up being like a staple. That 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:05.560 was crazy. That was great, But that was a real friendship. 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.959 That was a real friendship moment right there. I speaking 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:10.359 of the team folks on of this is like shifting 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.359 gears a little bit. But how do you feel about 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:17.639 this generation and the pressure of all of beings like 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:22.320 civically or um like politically engaged? Because I trust me 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.920 I mean, I've always been that way, just instinctualists talk 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.280 with you about this. I love this. So I feel 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.399 like it's really hard to be our age and I 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.400 feel like for me and I know it's different for everybody, 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.600 the way I feel less helpless is when I do something. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.760 And for me, that's also staying educated, that figuring out 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:45.920 how I can connect with elected officials. That's how I 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:50.240 can educate myself more on just our country and the 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.720 history and the way it treats people and how what 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:56.720 can I do personally? And so I think it's great 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.040 when other people get involved because I think that we're 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.240 the generation that when we come together in large amounts, 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.560 like we've seen what it can do. But I also 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.840 understand that some people that doesn't interest them and they 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.760 just want to be a kid. And I feel like 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.399 we shouldn't force anyone to do to be active if 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.040 it's just personally how I feel I am making an 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.840 impact or can do something in this crazy fucking no. 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:25.879 I I agree. I think that, um that is totally 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.200 like how I feel less helpless, Like I I feel 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.280 physically like I have to. At the same time, I 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.800 really get frustrated by the rhetoric that comes from older 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.639 generations that's sort of in line with like gen Z 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.800 is gonna save us, like it's our responsibility, Like we 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.840 need help, we need help. I think every individual should 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.960 be engaged some way, and sometimes it's can be so 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.760 small within your own community. But I mean there is 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.440 so much pressure when people have said, multiple people have 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:53.719 said to me, you know you're gonna be the one 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:56.840 to fix us, Like why Donna the generation? I'm like me, 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:03.400 little me. I still haven't gotten my permit um neither 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:07.320 have I. That's right, you told me about that. I know. 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:09.360 I still I'm nervous to take you a second time. 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:10.840 But my brother told me to just suck it up, 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:12.960 just do it. I'm like, if you fail, I fail, 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:14.840 you got it exactly. You can always do it again. 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.520 Here's a question. Are you more afraid of failure or success? 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:22.159 I'm thinking about this yesterday. Tell you my answer a 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:25.200 good question. Yeah, okay, So I think I'm more afraid 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:27.600 to succeed than to fail, because I feel like if 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:31.159 I'm failing, you're only failing if you don't get back up. 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.920 But I feel like if you succeed, then I'd be 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:40.040 worried of how much there is to lose. Let's just 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.399 got deep. But no, Sammy, that's like such a good question, 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.320