1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the Less Bureau Podcast. 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm so excited because my dear friend Navia Robinson is here. Guys, 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be here, my dear friend Sammy 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: here obviously because it's your podcast. Really, this has been 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: so long overdue. Yes, it totally has. We've been talking 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: about this for ages, and I'm so glad to finally 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: be here. I was thinking about it and I met 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: you in that sounds correct, And at that time I 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: had just come back from the UK and I was 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: filming a show and I am pretty certain I was 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: speaking to you. And what was a British? Were British? 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: I was convince she was British. Guys. We were all like, 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: I was my first big shoe and I worked with 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: three Dio Disney and it was at the Sacks fifth Avenue, 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: like rand opening, and I met Navia because we were 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: we were the only kids there, yes, that were like interviewing, 17 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: and then she was like British and my mom was 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: there and my brother is there, and I remember us 19 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: leaping be like what was her accent? Is she British? 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: So funny to me. I remember quite a few things 21 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: from that night. Well, first of all, I want to say, 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: I don't understand why I was talking in a British 23 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: accent because I played an American character on that show. 24 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: But I was also at a very impressionable age, and 25 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: so I guess I just soaked up that accent. I 26 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: probably liked it a lot, because you know, I was 27 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: like loving it. Doesn't love a British accent, beautiful accent. 28 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: And I'm sure my castmates were like this, go on, Um, 29 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: I was there for three months, okay, but an impressionable age, Yes, exactly, 30 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: thank you so much. I'm helping you, trying to help me. Yeah. 31 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: We also saw we bonded over seeing Neil Patrick. We 32 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: were like, we're freaking out because yes, I just remember 33 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: bonding over. I mean already. It was quite a strange 34 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: circumstance because it's a very novel experience. We were at 35 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: Sax Fifth Avenue working there for like the window unveiling. 36 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: It was special and we were still they shut it 37 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: down the store that day, and we were so young 38 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: and it was so overwhelming and surrounded by adults too. 39 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: Of course, I was so scared because here you were, 40 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, you're you're an actress. You've been on TV. 41 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: I this was coming up on my since my first 42 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: real year like working with them, and I hadn't done 43 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: anything like that before. You must have made quite the impression. 44 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: This is you're one, you're two. If this was your 45 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: year one, yeah, wow, and you're already that's incredible. I 46 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: was just like, I still have stage fright in a way, 47 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: and particularly at that age. I think when I started, 48 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: I was like five or six years old, so I 49 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: had no fears and no insecurities. Yeah, you don't think 50 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: about it. And then at eleven and then probably until 51 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: like fifteen, I was just a mess. Do you still 52 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: have stage right when you act? Yeah, a little bit. 53 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: I'm getting rid of it because I think you literally 54 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: have to in order to you know, be vulnerable or 55 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: like unfold in front of the camera. You have to 56 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: like try to get rid of that anxiety. But as 57 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: you get older and you develop more in securities and 58 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: like whatever in your teenage years, it's it gets harder. 59 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: I think being filmed during your teenagers while you're going 60 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: through puberty is an experience that so few know. But 61 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: the few people that I know, such as yourself, have 62 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: gone through it. It seems like it's been a whirlwind. 63 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: You're so good at this. I need to answer the question, 64 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: but I can't help. But um, well, yes, it's so weird, 65 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: and maybe not want to watch the show I was 66 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: a part of for that period of adolescence. But I 67 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: think now literally every single person is going through it, 68 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: maybe in a you know, just in a different way. 69 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: We all have social media now, and kids have Snapchat 70 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: and they'll broadcast that to their friends, and maybe it's 71 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: inescapable for them too. So I feel for everyone. I 72 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: think we're all going this really. I mean, in today's times, 73 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: it's just we're so exposed. What was it like growing 74 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: up having so many eyes on you and the pressures 75 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: of social media? With that, I know you're barely on 76 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: social media. If we love, we stand, but you know what, 77 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: mental health is a priority and I get that. So 78 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: what was that like? Because I remember, for a minute, 79 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: they're in like and you were really active and you 80 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: were I remember I ran into her. I remember I 81 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: ran into Navia at Beauty Content was before we became 82 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: like friends, and I remember she was just I was 83 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: seeing her just always posting and just on the ground. 84 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: I was like, how does this girl? Um? I love you. 85 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: I feel like that was a different person. It's hard 86 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: to even I mean, that's what you are at thirteen 87 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: or whatever. You're just kind of like a sponge soaking 88 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: up your environment, what's arounding, what other people are doing. 89 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: And so that really doesn't feel like me as much 90 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: as it feels like a character that was like an 91 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: amalgamation of the people around me. So that's kind of 92 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: my answer on that. I don't know how I was doing, 93 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: and I don't. I just don't think I had the 94 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: self awareness at the time to like really be introspective. 95 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: You know, maybe at that time I should have been like, 96 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, you're learning. Yeah, you've always been so mature 97 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: and I am always so just in awe of how 98 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: like we are very similar in that where I think 99 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: we're a lot older than our age and have always been. 100 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: And I think it's just it's a struggle for people, 101 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: especially making friends with people are age. I think that's 102 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why we connected, because it's hard 103 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,119 Speaker 1: to it's hard to find people that have the same 104 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: drive or don't want to focus on the same things 105 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: like social media. I mean, yeah, and gosh, that's a 106 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: good point. I think that is why we connected, and 107 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: you've always been so good at managing social media and 108 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: being I know it's really I mean, from my perspective 109 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: at least like being on it um for an appropriate 110 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: amount of time. But also I don't know, it just 111 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: seems like you're well balanced and you just traveled to Europe. 112 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: Can I say that you just traveled to Europe by yourself? 113 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean that's like a testament to who you are, 114 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: not just drive, but your own you know, esteem and 115 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: confidence within yourself. And I'm really inspired by it. Thank 116 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: you so much? Did you enjoy yourself? So it was 117 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: up and down. Solo travel is not easy, but I 118 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: wanted to prove to myself that I could do it 119 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: because I was just we're just overcoming anxiety. That's just 120 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: the goal, you know. I've been thinking of my life 121 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: is like three months increments and I'm like, Okay, who 122 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: am I going to be in the next three months? 123 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: And how can I grow to that person? That's good. 124 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: That makes me anxious thinking about it, But that's good. 125 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: But I mean does that help you? That helps manager? 126 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: And it helps manage my anxiety because if I think 127 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: of everything over a year, Oh, but then when I 128 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: think of little increments, and for me, so travel with 129 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: something I've really wanted to do, but more so I 130 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: saw someone some friends do it, and I was really 131 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: inspired by them, and I just was prepared. I well 132 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: researched my area before I went. But I spent like 133 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: six days in Paris by myself. Wow, oh, I have 134 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: so many questions. What are your questions? I just, um, 135 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: did you meet anybody while you were there? No? I 136 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: was by myself. Did you you said it was up 137 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: and down? What was that? What did that tradectory look like? 138 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: First day? You were up and then maybe? So here's 139 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: my here's okay. So basically I the flight was fine. 140 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: I get to Paris. My phone isn't working, and I'm like, 141 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: oh it was. And for those who don't know me, 142 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm an anxious person and this was just testing my anxiety. 143 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: So I my phone wasn't working, I couldn't text. I 144 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: logged into the WiFi of airport and then finally allowed 145 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: me to log on, but I still couldn't reach. I 146 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: got a car before because I knew I wouldn't be 147 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 1: able to read the airports because it was all in French, right, 148 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: So I was very cautious of that, and then so 149 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: I couldn't find my driver. I eventually found him, smart 150 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,239 Speaker 1: by the way he didn't. It was It was weird 151 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: because I was told that my driver that I that 152 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: I got um had a flat tire, and so this 153 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: driver was going to bring me that driver. But this 154 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: driver didn't do that, and so in my mind, I'm like, oh, 155 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: my goodness, I'm just in a car with this person. 156 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: No I am in France. If you're me, I'm thinking 157 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: that this is I'm thinking I'm being Yeah, i think 158 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm being kidnapped. I'm thinking all the worst things, like 159 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: phone isn't working, it's a hundred and five degrees when 160 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: I land, and that it was during like the heat wave. 161 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: So did it get better better from there? Not much 162 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: better from there, I think. So. I have always been 163 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: very aware of like the mind to body connection and 164 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: how like your mental health, your anxiety, how it can 165 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: manifest in your bodies physically. But it was so aggressive, 166 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: it was hard to take control, and because no one 167 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: else was there, no one can help me snap out 168 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: of my own mind. So it was a challenge in 169 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: that respect, but I pushed through it and it was 170 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: really good. I made my own perfume in Paris. I mean, 171 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: there's no other place in which you should make right now, 172 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: but you can't spell it war off. Yeah, perfumes don't 173 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: wear on me at all. Yeah, exactly, that's what I mean. 174 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: So fast, so fast, I don't know. Yeah, I put 175 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: someone like two minutes ago. I went to the Liful Tower. 176 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: I went. Everything there was like all my meals. It 177 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: sounds very romantic. It was very romantic, but so inexpensive. Well, 178 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: I'm going, you're gonna I want to go to Europe. 179 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: Wanted we should go. We should get a group who Oh, 180 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: I literally have a friend's in Paris right now. I'm 181 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: not going to say their name because they like to 182 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: be like, you know, down down, and that would be 183 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: so fun. So you're moving to Atlanta for six months 184 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: next week, Sammy, I am so happy to see you. 185 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: It really is, like obviously, it's a pleasure to see 186 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: your friend who you love and trust and get tough 187 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: great conversations with. So I I am busy, but I 188 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: think I'm kind of like in for opinion for a pound. 189 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: If I'm busy, I don't mind being even busier if 190 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: the new ends. Absolutely, I know, because if you're already 191 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: in it, you're like, yeah, also, you're not like a 192 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: thing on the to do list. I'm happy to see you. 193 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: I'm feeling a lot of things about I'm from Atlanta, 194 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: so it's going to be going back. I'm going back, 195 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: and I really I think in the past year, I 196 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: found my place in l A and found my friends 197 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,599 Speaker 1: and kind of falling in love with it in a 198 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: way I didn't think I would. I was like, l A, 199 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: you know that's so, you know, we became we probably 200 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: became friends this time last year, yeah, August, yeah, or July, 201 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: probably July. We met in um catch up lunch, and 202 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: I feel like knowing each other for years, and we 203 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: actually became friends. We talked about shows, yeah exactly. We Yeah, 204 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: we've been acquaintances, like really warm acquaintances, acquaint acquaintances, acquaintances, 205 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: and then we actually became friends. Like a year ago, 206 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: we were in such a different place. We were, Yeah 207 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: you were in college. Well yeah, yeah, in college, in 208 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: college going to school. But honestly, something that's really genuinely 209 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: like motivates me and inspires me. It is like how 210 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: much you're still motivated by school and determined like it 211 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: pushes me to be like, you got this, that's really sweet. 212 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: First of all, your commitment to both maintaining your career 213 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: and also, you know, pursuing an academic career has really 214 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: been inspiring to me. Um, but also just the fact 215 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: that you are very thoughtful about your future. So whatever 216 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: that means, it might not mean completely you know what. Ever, 217 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: it means you're just super thoughtful about it. And I 218 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: think I really want to adapt that to my life. 219 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: So I am currently on the route, you know, attending 220 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: a four year but at the same time, I'm like, 221 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: I like your totally. I like your fluidity that you've 222 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: embraced in your life and managing it, and I think 223 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: I want to apply that to my It's because I 224 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: I've been learning there is a gray area, and I've 225 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: been and I struggle with that. I'm like the other 226 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, there's this whole gray area. So I'm just 227 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: taking it semester by semester and seeing what life happens. 228 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: Because also, like, school is always there and I know that, 229 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: and I'm learning a lot while there. But on the 230 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: other hand, if an opportunity would present itself, it's always 231 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: it's always there as a backup. Totally. I think that's 232 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: a perfect way to put it. I mean, you have 233 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: to live your life, and life is unpredictable, and to 234 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: think that we can plan it outstep by stuff, it's 235 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: just unreasonable. I am guilty of it, but I'm trying 236 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: to step How does your go ahead? Sorry, no, it's 237 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: just it's hard. How does your anxiety manifest? Oh? My, 238 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: so many different ways? Socially, academically, Okay, what else is there? Generally? 239 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: Um like, generally it's alwa, It's just it's always there 240 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: in some type of way. I also have O c D, 241 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: which makes it it's just like they feed off each 242 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: other and it's just not it's not it. I've just 243 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: been coming to terms with the fact that I may 244 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: be an anxious person. I really deny. I mean, this 245 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: is not diagnosed, and I don't know for sure if 246 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: I am. But I think I'm realizing that anxiety has 247 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: a lot of different definitions or off in a lot 248 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: of different ways, and I think I'm I'm super guarded 249 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: and sometimes and I think maybe that's just a form 250 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: of being anxious or like, definitely have a lot of 251 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: career academic anxiety. I find myself very much living in 252 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: the future or living in daydreams to try to like 253 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: cope with my fear about the present. Oh same, is that? 254 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: What that is? Do you do the same thing? I 255 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: do that too. It's it's really hard, especially I think 256 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: the times that we've lived in for the past two 257 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: and a half years, we've been daydreaming for like the 258 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: next thing to get out of where we're at. And 259 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: I feel like we're finally started at this point where 260 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: it's like we should be also be enjoying where we are, 261 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: but it's so difficult. Is that how your anxiety manifest 262 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: would you say? I think so? I think I'm yeah, 263 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: I think I'm also just super sensitive to like over stimulation, 264 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: which is kind of inevitable right now. Like you are 265 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: a young person who's grown up in the age of 266 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: the Internet and social media, you have so much coming 267 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: at you all the time, even if you try to 268 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: mitigate it, like I'm barely on Instagram, but still like 269 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: if I you know, being an actor, particularly entertainment should 270 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: be recreational, but it's also it's all I know exactly. 271 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: It's studying. When you listen to a podcast, it's it's studying. No, 272 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: I love podcast. My dad sorry, study, and I'm like, no, 273 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: I'm just listening. Try. It's hard, but it's hard, and 274 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: it's hard not to like watch something or see a movie, 275 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: which I love doing. But at the same time, that's 276 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: my career. So I get anxiously like, gosh, why am 277 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: I not doing something like this? How can I do 278 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: something like this? I like that my brain just feels 279 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: like it's always on, and I think a lot of 280 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: people experience the same thing. So I don't know what 281 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: to call it. Is it like, is that anxiety or 282 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: what is that? I think it manifests in so many 283 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: different ways. But when you know how a sausage gets made, 284 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: you know the process, it's so natural for that to 285 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: be Like, I wonder what they did about this totally. 286 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: I like the idea, though, like you can't explain art 287 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: down to a science. It's not meant to be. It's 288 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: not it's it's not math, it's not you know. It's 289 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: like I think, I I've been actually considering what I 290 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: want to study. I'm at a crossroads. I've always said 291 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to like definitely pursue something, you know, social 292 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: science and sociology, cultural loss of apology, yes, something like that. 293 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: But that I don't. I mean, I do really love 294 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: movies and I want to get behind the scenes of 295 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: it one day, And so should I be pursuing that. 296 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, you can do both. Yeah, there are some 297 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: curriculums or some programs for sure. Major double major major, minor. Yeah, 298 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: I guess that's probably the answer. But at the same time, 299 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: major and like film and then minor in psychology. That's 300 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: probably the route that I'm going to go. I could 301 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: could you see that from that's pretty badass? Okay, we 302 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: have to take a quick break, but when we come back, 303 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: I want to talk about other aspects of the industry 304 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: might be interested in partaking in, and some existential life questions. 305 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back. I could see 306 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: you doing some producing and directing in the future too, 307 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: I think that is. I mean, i'd like the idea 308 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: of control. Oh, same, I love the idea of it too. 309 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: It's so and I've just been Yeah, I've been an actress, 310 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: just kind of reading the lines I've been given. Um, 311 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: I do more than that. I would probably should't be 312 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: that reductive, but in essence, I've just been performing other 313 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: people's dreams and writings Since I was six, and I'm like, Okay, 314 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: I think maybe I want to I want to do 315 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: my own things. Yes, what was that entail? Um? I 316 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: definitely like the idea of writing. I've always loved writing. 317 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: Did I not tell you to do this? Like a 318 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: year ago? Na, I believe we had this exact conversation. 319 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: I would be like, yeah, you were really even really 320 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: good at like writing or doing something. I'm sure you 321 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: did because truthfully, and you're gonna deny this, you're always 322 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: a few steps ahead of not just me, but just 323 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: I feel like you're a very much a big picture 324 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: thinker and maybe when some people aren't ready for it. 325 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: I remember having this conversation. I was like, I feel 326 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: like we've had this conversation before. Um, probably definitely just 327 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: coming around too late, and I'm definitely coming around to it. 328 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: I think it. I had like an epiphany probably like 329 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: winter of last year, and I was like, oh, you know, 330 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: I don't have to wait. When we went to the 331 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: team books summit, Oh my gosh. Maybe around that side. 332 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: That was fun. That was the day. It was a 333 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 1: long day. That was that was a super long day. 334 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: But I think you've had it changed. My god. We 335 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: were at We went to the Team Books summit together 336 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: and it was in December, and I chose to wear 337 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: a dress, a sun dress I should wear, thank you, 338 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: but very not warm, um and true. So we went 339 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: across the street at one point when there was like 340 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: no speakers or anything, and Urban Outfitters was having a 341 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: pretty good thing and I was like, let me get 342 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: some pants and sure, and remember boots. I did get 343 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: a pair of boots and I love them, wear them. 344 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: I haven't the summer, but they are in storage for 345 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: my in my dorm room and we're going to whip 346 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: him out this year and we're just gonna rock them good. Oh. 347 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see them again. Those are I 348 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: think one of my favorite pair of boots I bought. 349 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: It's not the best when you want to posibly buy 350 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: something and it ends up being like a staple. That 351 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: was crazy. That was great, But that was a real friendship. 352 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 1: That was a real friendship moment right there. I speaking 353 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: of the team folks on of this is like shifting 354 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: gears a little bit. But how do you feel about 355 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: this generation and the pressure of all of beings like 356 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: civically or um like politically engaged? Because I trust me 357 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I've always been that way, just instinctualists talk 358 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: with you about this. I love this. So I feel 359 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: like it's really hard to be our age and I 360 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: feel like for me and I know it's different for everybody, 361 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: the way I feel less helpless is when I do something. 362 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: And for me, that's also staying educated, that figuring out 363 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: how I can connect with elected officials. That's how I 364 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: can educate myself more on just our country and the 365 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: history and the way it treats people and how what 366 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: can I do personally? And so I think it's great 367 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: when other people get involved because I think that we're 368 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: the generation that when we come together in large amounts, 369 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: like we've seen what it can do. But I also 370 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: understand that some people that doesn't interest them and they 371 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: just want to be a kid. And I feel like 372 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: we shouldn't force anyone to do to be active if 373 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: it's just personally how I feel I am making an 374 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: impact or can do something in this crazy fucking no. 375 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: I I agree. I think that, um that is totally 376 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: like how I feel less helpless, Like I I feel 377 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: physically like I have to. At the same time, I 378 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: really get frustrated by the rhetoric that comes from older 379 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: generations that's sort of in line with like gen Z 380 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: is gonna save us, like it's our responsibility, Like we 381 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: need help, we need help. I think every individual should 382 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: be engaged some way, and sometimes it's can be so 383 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: small within your own community. But I mean there is 384 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: so much pressure when people have said, multiple people have 385 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 1: said to me, you know you're gonna be the one 386 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: to fix us, Like why Donna the generation? I'm like me, 387 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: little me. I still haven't gotten my permit um neither 388 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: have I. That's right, you told me about that. I know. 389 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: I still I'm nervous to take you a second time. 390 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: But my brother told me to just suck it up, 391 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: just do it. I'm like, if you fail, I fail, 392 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: you got it exactly. You can always do it again. 393 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: Here's a question. Are you more afraid of failure or success? 394 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this yesterday. Tell you my answer a 395 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: good question. Yeah, okay, So I think I'm more afraid 396 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: to succeed than to fail, because I feel like if 397 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: I'm failing, you're only failing if you don't get back up. 398 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: But I feel like if you succeed, then I'd be 399 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: worried of how much there is to lose. Let's just 400 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: got deep. But no, Sammy, that's like such a good question, 401 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: Like I'm going to start asking other people that and 402 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: then giving you credit. Question. Um, I am totally just 403 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: so afraid of failure, so I think it will be 404 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: disingenuous for me to say anything else. However, I've never 405 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: considered fully being fearful of success. I even bringing it 406 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: back to the team, folks, I'm at I am terrified 407 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: of the amount of attention some people receive we talked 408 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: about and that you might receive as so. Prime example, 409 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: Olivia Rodrigo really just cool personal round performed there, and 410 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: just seeing the amount of people who were invested in her, 411 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: in her performance, when she was wearing and everything made 412 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: me and I'm not even uncomfortable. There were people like 413 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: I want to see what she's wearing, and I want 414 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: these grown me. These were grown men older than her, older, 415 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: way older. And I told and I remember, it was 416 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: just dis concerning how many people cared so much about 417 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: her personal life. And I think that's a real issue 418 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: that's happening. And we see this like you shouldn't put 419 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 1: anybody on a pedestal. It's dehumanizing to do that to anybody, 420 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: Like what people don't get these are just teenage Yes, 421 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: even if you could be praising them. I think praising 422 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: somebody excessively and like you know whatever, what's we're braiding 423 00:21:54,600 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: them excessively is totally coming from the same place. Yes, 424 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: And I saw that happen with her, and I was 425 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: just like, gosh, I feel for her because ultimately she's 426 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: just a human being like we all are. And in 427 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: that way, I'm totally fearful of success that like that 428 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: version of it, that concentrated and people know everything about 429 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: caring about you, being invested in your life and your decisions. 430 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 1: That is terrifying to me. But it also comes aloud privilege. 431 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: You know, it is interesting, but so many people our 432 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: age want that. It's interesting just seeing how many people 433 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: want their goal. Their end goal is faint, but not 434 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: what they're doing or their journey. And I want this, 435 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: But I think that's particular. I mean, maybe it happens 436 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: started and maybe like if I could guess, like nineties, 437 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: early two thousands, you had to ntview, you had just 438 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: more um kind of intimate entertainment about celebrities lives. So 439 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: maybe that sort of craze started then of like people 440 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: wanting not just to be an actress or wanting to 441 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: be famous. So maybe that's where it started. But I 442 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: think it's even more intense now within this generation, and 443 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: I think that's bad. I think some of the people 444 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 1: that started are like the Paris Hilton and the Kim 445 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: Kardashian where though I think they've become incredible like business 446 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: women and great things, at the time, they became famous 447 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: for not doing that, for just they became famous for 448 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: being famous. And I think that's where the craze started totally, 449 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: and it's even more intense now and and to some degree, 450 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: I get it. You want to be important. It hurts 451 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: to be alive and feel I imagine it would hurt 452 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: to be alive and feel like you hadn't left Mark 453 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: and I totally. I mean in speaking of you know, 454 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: if you're failure, that's where it comes from. For me, 455 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: it's like I want to make the most out of 456 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: this life, like I've got to do something with the 457 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: time I have. And so I think it's maybe those 458 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: people who strive for fame where we just have the 459 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: same fear, which is a failure and wanting to be important. 460 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: So I get it, but I saw compensating for something. Yeah, totally, 461 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: I get it. But I think we all needed like 462 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: shifter our values. And I say this, you know to 463 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 1: myself as well too, not success or whatever. People's definitely 464 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: enough that is, but just um pride within oneself and 465 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: the actions that you're taking. I've been defining success lately 466 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: as contentness, being happy with that and not about the numbers, 467 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: because as soon as I go down that, why do 468 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: I not grow down? Well? Comparison, Oh sammy, do you 469 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: do the same thing? Just like comparing I comparison. I 470 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: don't look at numbers for the podcast. If one person 471 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: is listening, that's all I care about. Yeah, yeah, I 472 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: think that you're totally right. I mean, I'm just so 473 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: bad when it comes to comparing and like but just 474 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: afected by the outside world. Yes, it's do it all 475 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: the time. And I think have you noticed that when 476 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: I'm when I'm on at least when I'm on social media, 477 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: I do it less. And that's why I am like, Wow, 478 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: social media is great to not be honest, yes, no, exactly, 479 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: Like that's why for most of the time I have 480 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: Instagram to lead it off my phone I'm not like 481 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: an angel, though I totally redownload and like, go check 482 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: somebody's story. But otherwise I like to keep it off 483 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: because if I'm not reminded of um, it's not even 484 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: particular people, it's just the world at large, I can 485 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: focus on myself and what I want to accomplish my 486 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: own self esteem. But it's incredibly difficult. So I guess 487 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: I would just encourage everybody to do what they can 488 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: to too. Detach a little bit. And I will say 489 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: that was one of the really good things about so 490 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: Will Travel for me is it gave me a lot 491 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: of time to think and thinking like where do I 492 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: want to go? What do I want it? What are 493 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: my intentions? What do I hope to put out right? 494 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: You know, you sort of have to force yourself to 495 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: be with yourself exactly, And I wish I would have 496 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: done that earlier. Wherever you go, there you are. Yeah. 497 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: And when I first heard that, it terrified the ship 498 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: out of me because I was like, Buck, I should 499 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: probably really learned to like being with myself if I'm 500 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: stuck with myself. So that's what the journey is. It's 501 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: so funny you say that, Gosh, that's Quotes like that 502 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: are bringing more and more too as I get older. 503 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: Just like the quintessential stuff you heard when you were younger, 504 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: whatever the meaning now yeah, I know exactly, just like 505 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: treat yourself the way you want to be treated. Just 506 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: all this stuff. It's like, oh wow, it's so hard. True, 507 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: it's incredibly hard. Um, but it's all ringing, very true. Yeah, 508 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: wherever you go, there you are. So you have to 509 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: focus your energy and resources in your time, not scrolling 510 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: through your feed I get the instinct, but instead focusing 511 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: it on yourself and how you can be a better person. 512 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: And I just realized you could swear on the pod. 513 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: Yeah you can't, And I think that's great. Yeah, anytime 514 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 1: we have to take one more quick break, but when 515 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: we come back, I'm gonna talk more about your love 516 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: of acting and your new amazing role in Gotham Nights. 517 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back. One of the 518 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: things that I'm curious about is there a struggle with 519 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: being an actor. You're going to someone else's mind and 520 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: you're drawing another character and creating another person essentially, but 521 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: when you're also working on yourself, is that every difficult 522 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: when you're working on someone else. Um, that's such a 523 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: good question, Sam, you're so good. Um, yes, and no 524 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: to So to be honest that my work thus far 525 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: has been pretty simple, and that when you were young, 526 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: you're usually cast because of your essence and not because 527 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: you're being asked to play some sort of like transformative character. 528 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: So I really haven't had that experience of having to 529 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: do like some deep psychological work. I'm excited for it 530 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: and look forward to that, but I haven't had that yet. 531 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: Going into this new job that I'm doing, it will 532 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: be different. I think I'll have to do more character work, 533 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: and I am and I'm excited about that. But I 534 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: think you kind of find yourself through characters. Maybe I 535 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: don't think they're entirely separate. Um, I think you kind 536 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: of you can just kind of unravel and unfold. And 537 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: I think that's why I gravitate towards acting. I think 538 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: I've always felt conflicted about who I am, and that's 539 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: partly because of age, but it's also because, as I said, 540 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: I think I'm I don't know if impressionable as the word, 541 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: but I really soaked up my environment and so when 542 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: I was younger, it was my four brothers and just 543 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: kind of becoming them and reflecting their personalities. Um and 544 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 1: so I've always felt like I don't know exactly who 545 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: I am, And maybe that's why I like acting, because 546 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: I can like no exactly and for once that becomes 547 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: a benefit and not something I just like about myself. 548 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: The idea that I can be a ton of people, 549 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: or that I hold a bunch of perspectives in my 550 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: mind is actually a benefit to me in acting. So 551 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: for me, I feel like it's just pulling from like 552 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: all the all the little parts with me right now. 553 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: That's that's so beautiful. That's also like a working theory. 554 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: But you know what, like that's life. And be easy 555 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: on yourself because you are still a teenager. Of course 556 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: you're you're about to not be soon. Know just airs 557 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: I'll be twenty What I didn't I was hesitant to 558 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: bring it up. But I feel like you're so ready 559 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: for twenty. I feel like when I first met you, 560 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: you were already like settling down. I've always ready to 561 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: have always been ready to not be a team ajan. 562 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: As soon as it started, I was like, Nah, this 563 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: isn't for me. So I'm hoping twenties is great. Oh, 564 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: I think it will be. I mean, that's all you 565 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: hear from people that either actually and then thirties are thriving. 566 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: My parents are like their thirties for their favorite decade. 567 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: And that's an extreme comfort to me because it's like 568 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: your twenties both more money exactly, more money resources and 569 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: you know yourself exactly. I like that, Sammy. I can't wait. 570 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: I wonder what's going to be like, Oh, I think 571 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: it'll be great. I think we'll be like just having 572 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: these same conversations, except maybe with a little more wisdom 573 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: and perspective. M I love that. I want to talk 574 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: about your show real quick because I am so proud 575 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: of you. You were I mean, god, I really just 576 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: love you and I'm great for you because you were 577 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: there for me. There was a year of unemployment and 578 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: you were there, of course to believe in me and 579 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: really um encourage me to kind of take my life 580 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: into my own hands. And it's great that I am 581 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: just now picking up on that, like like what's happened? 582 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: Like what's happened? So Gotham Knights. I saw the trailer. 583 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: I haven't even watched the whole thing because I can't why, Um, 584 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: I've used this word a lot of this episode to 585 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: excuse me, but yeah, it makes me anxious. You know what. 586 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: I was like, I did not expect the twist and turns. 587 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm so, I'm really I'm very excited to watch it 588 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, ship, didn't expect that. It 589 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: was just the trailer. I really, God, I hope you 590 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: like it. You know, it's hard, like there's so much pressure, 591 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: especially within like the DC comic book community, and um, 592 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: especially with me. I'm kind of hesitant to speak about this, 593 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: but like, I'm playing a character that's adapted from the 594 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: comics from the comic books called Kerry Kelly who was 595 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: depicted white m h in the comics, and I'm not, 596 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: um really yeah, I don't know. Did you know that? Um? So, 597 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: it's just been hard because like the first thing when 598 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: I was researching my character after I found out I 599 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: got the role, the first thing that shows up, because 600 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: Deadline had already done like press release that this news 601 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: was out there on YouTube, was some random video from 602 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: like this old guy Gotham Knights will be a woke disaster. 603 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: My face on the thumbnail. Great, that's a reminder of 604 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: like that's still where we are. That I can just 605 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: be born um and have a particular pigment and whatever 606 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: particular ethnic makeup, and I am representative of Awoke Disaster. 607 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: But that doesn't make any sense to me because it's bullshit. 608 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: But also, like your talent will just show that's all 609 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: you can do. All you can do is do your best, 610 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: thanks and be what you think this character is. I 611 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: think that's the direction we want to move into. Right 612 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: where where people are being I mean speaking, yeah, I 613 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: mean right. It's just like, why does it matter about 614 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: the essence of somebody? You know, why does it matter? 615 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: Don't worry whoever made that video? And who's all the 616 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: people who are disappointed in casting a lot of other 617 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: like white people on the show. So it's and I 618 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: promise they're there. You've got your representation, I promise, I 619 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: promise use enough representation for everyone. Trust me, Mr Gotha 620 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: Niese will be Awoke Disaster. I get the desire to 621 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: have representation, but you have it. It's there in the show. 622 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: You have it, you know what you know? Brown and yeah, 623 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: brown people can have maybe. I mean I don't like 624 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: to put myself on that pedestal, but but I think 625 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: everybody deserves obviously to be represented. I mean, that's what 626 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: we want out of entertainment. So just relax, people have 627 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: their time see it, you can be it, yes exactly, 628 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: and think of the impact that that can have on 629 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: people that will see you on the screen. I yeah, 630 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: And that makes me again, makes me anxious and I 631 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: and I don't want to put myself on that pedestal. 632 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: I I feel like we're in a time where there 633 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: are so many great examples of people of color represented 634 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: with them film and TV to look at, and so 635 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: um yeah I I, um yeah, Well, I know you 636 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: don't think yourself. I think you're who cares like what 637 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: your skin color is. I think you're just an incredibly 638 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: talented person. And I am so excited for this next 639 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: chapter and see what it's gonna just unravel for you, 640 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: because y'all were all is about to see nab A Robbins. 641 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: Get ready hopefully they like her. I don't know. I was, 642 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, I've never been very like caught into trailers, 643 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: and that trailer was really good. Yeah. That means I 644 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: highly recommend you watch it. Oh, I I'm you know, 645 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: I'm a fan of the show. Like I read the 646 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: first the pilot. Um, and got treated before I took 647 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: the role whatever, and I was a fan of it. 648 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: I was like, oh gosh, they did Natalie James, um Chad, 649 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: these writers, they just did a good job. It's fun. 650 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: It's it's really fun. In the second episode I just 651 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: read it, It's really fun, and I'm just like, oh, God, like, yeah, 652 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm excited to be a part of something that I 653 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: considered pretty kid gas and um. I have so many 654 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: ambitions as an actress and and this is one of them, 655 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: and I'm excited I get to fulfill this at such 656 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: a young age. So thank you for being supportive of it. 657 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: Of course, all I want is my friend's approval. I 658 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,479 Speaker 1: really mean it. I probably I will always be here 659 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: to support always, thank you all, always speak here to 660 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: support you. I'm a fan of yours and grateful for you. 661 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: I love you. You're just really an inspiration to me. 662 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: I hope you don't take that as sachurin. And I 663 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: can't wait to see where you go next. I can't 664 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 1: wait to be in our thirties together reflecting on reflecting, Yeah, exactly, 665 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: And I can't wait to see what this will look 666 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: like for you the next six months, hopefully I'll get 667 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: to visit you in Atlanta. Yes please, we'll FaceTime also 668 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: and just catch up and think it knows for FaceTime, 669 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: thanking us for FaceTime. And we can't let six months 670 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: go back. We can't. Oh, I'm sad this conversation's ending. 671 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: I'll do it again. We'll do it again. And just 672 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: thank you for just taking the time with everything you 673 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: have going on in your life. And I appreciate you 674 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: just always being there for me and be having you 675 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: as a friend and very grateful. It's a lovely way 676 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: to spend it. Thank you so much, Sai.