WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Rosario Dawson 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.280 Courst Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:07.080 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:09.760 Ladies and Gentlemen. 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:12.440 This is Quest Love and you're listening at a QLs classic. 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.680 This is from February seventy twenty and eighteen. We talked 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.680 to our friend Rosario Dawson about our acting career and 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:25.560 her political activism. We did this in Los Angeles at 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:29.080 Sunset Sound Studios, where a lot of nineteen ninety nine 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.600 and Purple Rain was reported. So, yeah, it would be 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:34.840 a good time to do it back with our friend 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:35.760 Zorio Dawson. 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:51.519 Courst Love Supreme Classic. Here we go, sun Sure all 0:00:54.400 --> 0:01:05.520 Supreme self, bream up self. She's always in my hair. Yeah, 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:06.959 she's always on my back. 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:16.520 Yeah, she's uh whatever. 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:20.800 My name is Fante. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:25.880 Yeah, I do not beg Yeah, Zarios and kids, I 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.640 have no legs. 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:35.080 I hate road. 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:36.640 My name is Sugar. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:37.520 Yeah. 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.720 And I'm unstoppable. Yeah, just like that train. 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:52.160 Yeah, and unstoppable going off already for the worse in 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:52.560 l A. 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:57.520 Yeah, that's the scenario. Yeah, and it's time Yeah. 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:06.920 To interview Rosario. Bring my Road, bring my role. 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.000 It's like yeah with the original. 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.520 Yeah, my rights yeah, An, let's good in the shower, 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.280 supre My roll. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.720 Roll and Sea down Avenue X. That's why I flex 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.560 Brooklyn in the house like Mickey Mouse. 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:41.600 Supra roll Call, Supra Selpreing roll Call, Supremo Sun Sun 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:47.040 sup Breing my rod Caremon sure roll. 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:52.760 I seen you sweet feet shower. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:54.120 She's smart and sexy. 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:54.280 You know. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.720 I'm like, this took me back to like high school 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:02.760 because it was like we go out like I used 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.760 to hear that all the time. I didn't have my 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:10.920 like Laisha. There used to be a couple of songs 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:11.280 and I. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:12.360 Was like that kind of rocks. 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:15.600 So thanks y'all, Thank you the kids. 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:15.760 One. 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:17.600 I'm sorry, I don't know if y'all take urm. 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:19.240 Clearly I hate you. 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.600 I was going to make like everything. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.640 Did you know how fa You knew instantly that was 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:26.359 gonna be your Yeah? 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You was that quiet. You was too 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:30.440 quiet in the corner. 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:31.679 I'm like, what you know? 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:33.480 As soon as we found we were gonna have her. 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:35.040 That was my first one. It was either that one. 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:36.480 It was going to be a twenty five hour reference 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.400 because that's like probably one of my favorite movies of yours. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.760 I really loved your performance in that crazy how. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.720 Many written on your arm? I think it's Harmony's birthday 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:47.240 to day or it was just Yester something like that. 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:51.920 Actually now yeah, yeah many. 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:57.680 Actually k okay, I just want to make sure I 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.720 wasn't saying it wrong for the last fifteen whatever. 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:01.680 You let me let the audience. 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:02.320 In three years. 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:03.720 Wait, ladies and. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:08.200 Gentlemen, welcome, welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme. 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.120 Of course Love here with teams Supreme. 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:14.120 It's like you Sugar Steve and Boss Bill and Fantigelo 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:19.240 uh and today we have a good friend. 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:22.760 Yes, we have what's up? What's up? Roario? 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.600 We have actress, producer and director and singer in philanthropists 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:32.200 and and political activists and humanitarian and and Newava New Yorker, 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:39.160 New Way yorka a new way. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:40.359 Yeah that. 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:48.760 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Rosario Dawson. Thank you for 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:50.839 coming through. This is a very last minute request, but 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:52.880 you came through. I appreciate it anytime. 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.520 Bo love you. 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.520 Where are you from in California? 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:58.280 I'm not from in California. 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.840 Well, I mean you're here lot though. 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:05.000 Yeah I live here now. Yeah, okay, I'm from Brooklyn. 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:06.960 I'm raised in the Lower East. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.680 But are you from New York the way that I'm 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:10.719 from Philadelphia? 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.200 What does that mean? No, I'm from New York. I'm 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:14.679 in New York. I still got my nine one seven. 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.440 I'm there all the time, the fast the last five 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:19.720 shows that I did for Marvel, we're all in New York. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.560 I was flying back and forth. It was insane. Man, 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.200 I'm always there. There's still people who think that I 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:25.680 live there. 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:30.240 Okay, but I'm saying, plane out of here, out out 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:34.000 of out of your New York residence and your California residence. 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:39.160 Where are where's the majority of your undergarments located? 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.000 That's a very specific specific question. 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:44.040 What are those. 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.120 Very white? Real quick? Sorry? Yeah, what are those? Anyway? 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:57.160 No? 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.120 No, for real, Thank you for doing this for absolutely 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.360 so New York. You said Brooklyn because I thought you 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.200 would see. Once again, I'm always wrong. I'm always on. 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.840 Well, no, I start you always Alphabet city. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:12.520 Yeah, I was raised there. 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.400 So you were born in Cone Yup. 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:19.719 And conceived on AVENUEIX. So he got gain was like home. Yes, 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:24.120 I actually I had actually been in Lincoln High School 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:29.520 as a little fetus in my mom's belly when she 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.440 was attending there. Her brothers went there as well, and 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.839 she got pregnant with me when she was sixteen, and 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.279 because she got justes stational diabetes, she kept passing out 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.240 all the time, so she ended up falling down the 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.480 stairs and having to quit school. And then she got 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:47.880 her what she calls good enough diploma. Here ged and 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.800 eighteen years later, I'm doing a movie with Spike Lee 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.960 and I'm in Lincoln High School and I got to 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.080 be back all those years later, sort of validating her 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:00.560 and vindicating her. Yes, you know, and everything and all 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:02.719 the sacrifices she went through. It was a really powerful moment. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.320 Actually, how long were you there for? I mean before 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:06.000 you moved. 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:09.000 To We moved to Manhattan probably when I was like 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:13.160 five or five, but I was always there because that's 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.200 where all my family still was, so we went back 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:18.840 all the time. A lot of my memories are in 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:19.480 Coney Island. 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:24.640 Actually, So, okay, can you explain You've talked about living 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.720 in Lower Manhattan before, But yeah, you just because I 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.760 never understood the whole squatting thing. So how how did 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.360 that work in the early nineties or the late eighties. 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:39.120 Well, we moved there when I was around six and 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:45.280 lived in this railroad apartment on Avenue A, and it 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.120 was like rat infested and just like there was a 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:48.800 lot of problems with it. And there were a bunch 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.400 of squats in the neighborhood, a lot of buildings that 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:56.440 had been abandoned. And my very tenacious young parents were like, well, 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.680 we could do something about this. There's a space that's open, 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:00.920 there's no other families in there, does no water, heater 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.080 or electricity, but Dad does construction. Mom learned how to 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.880 do plumbing, so they put in a sewage line. The 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.040 squatters who had been living there for two years were 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.480 literally pissing in buckets and taking showers with the fire 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:16.080 hydrant for two years before we moved in, and we 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.920 transformed that and that was the building that I was 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:21.480 discovered in. 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:25.920 So you guys transformed the entire block, and well. 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:27.840 Bit by bit, a lot of the squatters and people 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:33.840 who survived that era. You know, it was a really crazy, scary, 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.439 beautiful experience of just people who came from all around 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.080 the world, and artists and struggling artists and just all 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.240 types of other people who were you know, just really 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.520 marginalized or people who were really going through it and 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.040 drugs and all types of things and just you know 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.800 willing to you know, create a culture in the Lower 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.000 East Side because no one else wanted to be there. 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:58.920 And so even though there was like one working street 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.920 lamp on the block and there was no reason to 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:04.120 call the cops because they would not come, there was 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:08.720 you know, great music and art and personalities and things 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.439 that were coming out of it that ended up transforming 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.760 the neighborhood. So it's the reason why it's so gentrified 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:18.360 now because people, you know, the storytelling of that space 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:23.400 gave us everything from rent to you know, CBGB's you know, 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.240 like it's just it's the impact of New York at 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.840 that time, and you know, Basquiat and all of those 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.960 different people who in so many different spaces just transformed 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.480 what the idea of that neighborhood was, which is one 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:39.880 of the reason why I'm so proud to come from it. 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:41.240 You know, when I grew up, it was the sort 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.880 of idea of like get out. But for me, it's 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.520 you know, I recognize that all of those people, no 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.800 sacrifices and all that art and all those wonderful things 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.000 that were created when it was at it's not necessarily 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.080 its best, but that was the that was the best 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.400 for me because it was you know, block parties, and 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.680 so it was a beautiful and powerful experience and place 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.720 to come from, and I think prepared me for everything 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.040 else that I've encountered in life. 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.079 So how does the so how does. 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:11.080 Legal wise, how does the city acknowlenge that, like years ago? 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.160 It became a building that came under you have so 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:18.640 a lot of other buildings became co ops or got 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:22.760 ownership in different ways. You have took over the building 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.000 many years ago, but did not fully pay its taxes 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.320 and do all these different things. So the building was 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:32.480 everyone almost was almost evicted fairly recently, about two three 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.679 years ago, and I got a lawyer for everybody in 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.120 the building and now they've all just moved in in 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.679 November as homeowners for the first time after thirty two years. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.920 Well for some people thirty four years. 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.960 Wow. Yep, man, you took your action. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:48.720 Yep. 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:49.600 That's crazy. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:57.880 So, uh, your story is that that Larry Clark had 0:10:58.040 --> 0:10:59.600 an harmony together over Yeah. 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:03.679 Larry harmony. It was the it was the cinematographer, it 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:05.640 was some of the other crew members. They were scouting 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.120 for locations on the block. They ended up actually shooting 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:11.840 down the block, which is fairly unrecognizable because when you're 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:16.600 when they're calling up, Oh my god, I'm a bad one, 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.240 am I forgetting her name? Darcy? They're in the calling 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.240 up for Darcy. When you see the you know, the 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:22.839 building that she was in that she comes out of 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:24.800 the window is still there. But when you look across 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.360 at them downstairs calling from a blow, there's this empty 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.200 lot that's behind her, which is now a building. But 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:32.080 so they shot down that block, and had they not 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.600 shot in the neighborhood, I probably would not have been 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.240 in that movie. So they were sitting in front of 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:36.679 you right now. 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.280 They were initially they were initially shooting, and. 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:40.559 They were scouting for locations. 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:41.240 Oh scouting. 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:42.120 Yeah. 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.280 And by that point, did you have any acting experience 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.040 or aspirations to the arts. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.640 Or not so much? I mean, I had written my 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.280 first song when I was six, and I grew up 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:56.280 around artists who are either poets or photographers or actors. 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.319 My uncle's comic book artist, you know. So I grew 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.600 up around people were artists, but also most of them 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.320 having to do another job and it just being this 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.000 thing that they did because they loved it, but they 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.640 weren't necessarily financially compensated for it. So when I got 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.640 actually the opportunity because my when I was discovered, I 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:14.760 was discovered for an audition. I had to audition for 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:19.200 the role and I loved it and it was amazing, 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.600 but I remember just kind of feeling like this is 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.840 not going to go anywhere because of it. But I 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:26.480 had to take advantage of the opportunity because I grew 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.640 up with people who I knew would have fought and killed. 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:31.680 Were not killed, but they would have thought were such 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:32.400 an opportunity. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:37.240 And you know, because because of Larry's unconventional style and 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:41.520 the way this art is, how does this fly with 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:42.040 your mom? 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:43.120 Oh? 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.319 I mean my dad came with me on the audition 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.760 and Larry leans out and goes, is that your boyfriend? 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:55.480 That's dad? And you know, I remember we were doing 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.520 a rehearsal at Harmony's place or no, it was at 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.520 Larry's place and harm and and I can't remember, but 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.640 it was a bunch of photos from from U Tulsa, 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.600 which was this photography book that Larry had done in 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:14.120 a drug den and sort of just being like interesting people, 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.439 I'm working with and my parents. I was fifteen. I 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:20.040 had just turned fifteen, and my parents the only thing 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:21.760 that they balked out was that my character was supposed 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.880 to be smoking. But they didn't ask to change. They 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.679 didn't ask to change any lines. They didn't. They let 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.400 me go to you know, I biked over to White 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:33.479 Street to like go and to you know, audition, and 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.400 well it's like Tribecca. I remember, it was just Tribeca 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.240 was somewhere like around that area. And I remember my 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.040 bike got stolen. I went on the very first day 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.560 I went to do reversal. I came back out my 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.640 bike was gone. And then I like walked around trying 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:49.679 to see if I needed to like grab my bike out, 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:51.960 went to different bike stores see if some junkie had 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.480 sold it or whatever. And I was like Jesus, like 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.160 walking on by myself at fifteen, and my parents were like, 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:02.120 that sucks. Congratulations you're official. 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:04.640 Yeah, like that. 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:09.600 The movie came out of nowhere and really kind of 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.640 well one of was it. It was it was a 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.200 starmaker for you, but just what was what was the 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.520 effect the after effect of the movie, because. 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.760 We'd never now it was unlike anything that we had 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:23.520 ever seen before. 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:24.520 I mean that was. 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:26.840 Yeah, No, Clueless was supposed to be the film that 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:31.120 was supposed to establish the next generation. But Kids was 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.320 the film that really established Like. 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:38.360 Kids was Snapchat twenty years ago, like that was what 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:40.360 social media looked like with Yeah. 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:41.120 That shit was crazy. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:45.200 It's amazing how much that movie doesn't work today because 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.080 I mean, you know, the whole premise of just trying 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:52.360 to find someone you would just sort of like see 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.240 where they're tagged themselves in their last social media post 0:14:55.320 --> 0:15:01.560 is or But it's a beautiful moment that got sort 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.120 of captured of what New York doesn't look like that anymore. Kids. 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:07.720 You know, a lot of the same behaviors are going on, 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:11.240 but it's just a different energy around it that I 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.840 just feel so glad that that got immortalized, actually, because 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.160 that was a lot of what my child had looked like, 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.800 and it's and there was a lot of beauty to 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.520 it. It was a lot of you know, did you know 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.880 those violence and abuse and just dangers and being a 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.040 latchkey kid and all these different kinds of things. But 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.320 the fact that still all these years later, I have 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.200 parents who come up to me and go that opened 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.680 my eyes to the world and what my personal experience was. 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.040 And I did so many things afterwards to protect myself. 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.320 And this is the movie I decided to sit down 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:47.200 with my teenager now to start this conversation. On my 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.120 daughter's fourteen I can't imagine watching that movie with her. 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:54.520 It's weird now because I mean, it's just back then 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.520 when you're watching it. It came out what ninety five, like, 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:03.120 it's so much more dream now that that kids seems 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:09.400 rather a tame in comparison, And well, yeah, it's I mean, 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:13.280 it's still real, but I'm just saying that it's even 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.200 crazier now some twenty plus years later. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.640 That you disagree with me. No, no, no, I'm following you. 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.080 I see we're going oh oh. 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.880 But I'm well, yeah, I'm just saying that, how do 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.640 you how do you feel that it's faired in. 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:31.600 Time? 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.360 Like as I think the reason why it still resonates 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.240 with people is because it feels so honest and raw, 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:42.640 and there was just it was a different time. There 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.680 wasn't wasn't like the movie was made to be a 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.840 cult classic or made to make a whole ton of money, 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.560 or like, you know, it was really about sort of 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.280 revealing and capturing a moment. And I think that honesty 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:55.840 is something that still resonates to you. I look at 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.240 Princess Nokia video and I'm like kids, look at you know, 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.840 like I see how much it's carried on for so long, 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:08.760 and it and it it, it's made precious and beautiful 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.440 something that was not ordinarily looked at as precious or beautiful. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.120 That is now I think continued after all of these years, 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.320 just feeling like something really authentic and powerful and just 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.680 as necessary as sort of like the super filtered way 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.040 of looking at things that we have now where everything 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:25.880 is so like glossy or whatever. 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.600 How much of that is important, how much of it 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.280 was like scripted, and how much of it was kind 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.160 of ad lib because it feels it part I think 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.080 why it resonates so much is because part of it 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.080 feels like a documentary, like some of it. 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:37.280 Is like. 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:42.720 Based on like Harmony wrote at that when he was nineteen. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.120 He locked himself into a room for about two three 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.800 weeks and wrote it out, and it was based on 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.320 all of the experiences he'd had with all of his 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.120 scared of friends and just folks and washed Ustar Park 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:54.840 and all just the people that they knew, how was 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:56.840 he and so they just put it all nineteen So 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:01.359 they put it all together as one story in one day, 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.959 which is that's what makes it so outrageous. But almost 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.720 everything that happened in the movie is actually stuff that 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.920 actually had happened to one or himself or his friends, 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.080 and then he just dramatized it. But that's why I 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.240 think it also resonates because there is truth to it. 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.879 And then on top of that, everyone was a non actor. 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:22.040 I'd never acted before. Chloe, Chloe had Chloe was his 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.520 best friend. He'd written it for her. They had cast 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.200 someone else who was an actual actress that then they 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.520 fired and then hired Chloe. Like the weekend before we 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.760 started shooting, it was just everyone, you know, just real 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.359 skater kids, Harold, everybody just justin. It was just all 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.360 of us just like chilling and hanging with each other. 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.840 And the language was written by a friend who you know, 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.320 spoke like a teenager, and so we all it just 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.720 felt really like there wasn't anything about it that felt 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:48.800 really inorganic. I was in high school. This is how 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:52.000 the kids were talking. It made sense, so it didn't 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.520 feel like acting. It had been in Shakespeare, I think 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:55.960 everyone would have been sweating. 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.800 She said that Harmony was four years older than you 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.440 at the time at the time, That's what I meant, 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:05.000 like I needed to reference for how much older than 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:06.760 he was in the actual cast he was writing for. 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:08.919 Okay, so he was a teenager himself. 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.119 Do you guys still have a relationship everybody, like, you know, 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.040 at least the team who was together most every day, 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:19.960 especially like Chloe, and see each other. 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.720 We like some some folks more than others. I mean, unfortunately, 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:28.359 we've also lost quite a few people justin what Yeah 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.120 he killed himself. Yeah years ago. 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:31.160 Oh shit, I didn't know. 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.760 Because then he was in the other one, Ken Park 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:35.760 that I think Larry directed. 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:37.280 Tiff. 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:41.560 Yeah, I'll see Leo, I'll see you know, you see people, 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:45.200 and it's awesome that, you know, so many of them 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.760 are still working or doing different things and becoming parents 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.199 or you know, it's just it's a pretty wild journey. 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:50.680 I have to say. 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:53.960 It's interesting foundation to start relationships with. 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.040 The soundtrack for that movie was really great too. 0:19:58.280 --> 0:19:59.560 Daddy never understood. 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:08.920 So how uh, how did you jump start your actual 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:13.800 career in from that film? Like did you instantly just 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:17.040 get an agent and like, Okay, why this isn't a 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.440 one off for me, I can do this for real. 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.000 Like, well, I'd only worked on the film about four 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.520 days and then I got what yeah, and then I 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.520 got like a thousand dollars I think from working on 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:32.879 the movie. But of course my parents took it right 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:37.679 and because I was fifteen. And then we went to 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.680 Texas because my dad's extended family was there and he 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:43.440 hadn't seen them for years, and my mom would go 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.359 on vacation. It was the summer, so we ended up 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:49.880 going on vacation and moving to Texas because my mom 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:51.640 was always trying to get out of New York City 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:56.280 to Garland, right outside of Dallas. So I ended up 0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:00.000 like two weeks, three weeks after you know, wrapping movie 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.640 to Garland, Texas and then doing all of that and 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:07.159 you know, glamour shots and you know, winter Ball and 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.280 all of that interesting stuff. And I took a theater 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.199 one on one class because I, you know, it was 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:13.680 like I did this movie and it was kind of cool. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.199 I didn't tell anyone I did the movie, but I 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.040 had had this experience that I really liked that I 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.320 thought maybe I should explore some more, and then I 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:21.960 got this call from Larry and Harmony saying that they 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:24.800 had a photo shoot with Harper's Bizarre and that they 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:27.000 wanted all of us to come back to New York 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:30.600 for the shoot. And I didn't realize they had put 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:32.440 me as the k and the kids in posts and 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.720 the on the poster, so they really wanted me back, 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:36.960 and it had taken them a really long time to 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:38.879 track me down to Texas. They're like, what you're doing 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.960 in Texas? And then they'd had this already done, this 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:46.800 midnight screening at Sundance that had just made everyone super 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:48.280 excited about it, put a lot of buzz on it. 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:50.159 So then they flew me out to New York. I 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:54.439 was now sixteen, and I did this photo shoot for 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:57.760 Harper's Bizarre, and then I had decided I did not 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:00.040 want to go back to Texas, so I convinced my 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:01.840 parents to let me stay in New York without them, 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.840 and got roommates and finished up high school, and I 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:09.840 ended up getting an agent from conversation my parents. 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:10.000 See. 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:11.239 The reason why they even let me do the movie 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:13.560 in the first place is I had already been babysitting 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.920 for years. I had been tutoring for years. I ended 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.280 up becoming a pre calculus and calculus tutor. I took 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.840 civil engineering at Columbiuni at a I. Yeah, I took 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.760 civil engineering clumb University. I had taken pre calculus and 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:29.000 calculus did at the Cooper Union. Yeah, it was a 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:31.600 Really I was a smarty pants. I didn't. I mean, 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:34.120 my family knew very well that I was not interested 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.000 in having a boyfriend and having sex and doing any 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:37.320 of that kind of stuff. Because my mom had got 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:41.920 pregnant with me at sixteen. I was like new to control. Yeah, 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:44.600 and I was also kind of not always no no, 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:47.240 no, no no no. Like my daughter was like, oh cool, 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:50.560 So grandma was a teenage mom and then she had you. 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:51.640 That's awesome. 0:22:51.720 --> 0:23:00.480 I'm like, no, wow. 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:04.040 So how much time laps between Was he Got Game? 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:05.000 Your second film? 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.480 He got Game? No? But he Got Game was my 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:09.600 senior film. So I did that film when I was eighteen. 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:11.840 That was the film I did getting out of high school. 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.120 So it's just a couple of years later. I turned eighteen. 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:17.560 On one of my auditions, like Spike made me audition 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:20.520 for that movie like fifteen twenty times. Really, I had 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:23.080 to keep going in because he was having me read 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:24.680 with a bunch of different people, So I don't I 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:27.359 don't even know who I was up against. I just 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:31.840 know I read with like a ton of different basketball players, 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:33.240 and I remember I was still at the it was 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:35.119 at the last couple of months of high school, and 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:36.680 I'd be going, I'm like, I just read with Alan 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:37.760 Iverson today and they're. 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:42.200 Like, oh, yes, I would. 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:48.120 Read read. 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:52.600 I'll be do we talk about practice. 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:57.560 Bazario between starting in Kids and then your next situation 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:00.919 was Spike in retrospec Looking back, how did how did 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:02.520 that help you in your career? Because it seems like 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:05.440 those are like some real into trenches experiences, especially for 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:08.360 the beginning, like how did how did do you look 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:09.800 back at that and say, Okay, well, now I was 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:10.480 prepared for this. 0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:13.320 Well, I mean when you start off with Kids and 0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:16.120 the Kids is such an incredible film because it's so raw. 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:22.920 It's kids, and it's you know, it's honest and it's 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:26.960 vulnerable and it's stark, and you know it's about HIV 0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:29.959 and AIDS and latchkey kids and what are kids up 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:32.800 to when their parents aren't looking and society isn't caring 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.399 and I mean it was so powerful and provocative and 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:38.600 important to and still resonates today. That's how authentic and 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:41.640 remarkable it is. That like the bar was set really high, 0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:44.800 and that's the reason why I was even visible to 0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:47.640 someone like Spike. And then I remember when I got 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:51.399 cast and he got came. Spike's like, yo, so you 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.119 got to help realin out and I'm like, dude, like, 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:56.760 I don't, i don't know what I'm doing, Like I 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.720 just I'm just starting off myself. Have him like you know, 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.520 Denzel around and he's like no, and Spikes whole thing 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:06.800 is like, if I've cast you, I don't make mistakes, 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:09.800 so do the job I hired you for. So it 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.800 was interesting. It was sort of like this reverse sort 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:16.640 of confidence builder of just going well, I trust him 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.200 and I believe in him, and I love Spike's work. 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:20.760 So if he's saying I can do it, then I'm 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:22.439 guessing I'm gonna have to manifest how to do this 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.720 and acting and show up, you know. So it was 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:28.280 really interesting. And he would leave sometimes like he'd literally 0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:30.879 be like, Yo, the game's about to start. Peace, you 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:34.280 can finish this, he laughed. When we were doing the 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:39.119 Wonder Wheel scene. Oh he laughed and Spike and and 0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:42.240 Ray was sick because he we'd already done the cyclone. 0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:46.520 We'd have massive headaches and he's guzzling pepto bismol on 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:51.680 this wonder Wheel. I'm by myself with this like vombity 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:56.000 guy beautiful, awesome, remarkable, vomity guy trying to do this 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:57.920 sexy scene and Spikes live piece. 0:25:57.960 --> 0:25:58.800 I got a game. 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:04.760 Game it was ninety seven. Yeah, yeah, my thoughts where 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:09.240 he was watching Jordans or something. But was it intimidating 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:13.040 because I also know that Denzel is a very even 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:16.640 though you had a few scenes with him one or yeah, 0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:19.200 then that one with the karate chap to the next scene. 0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:21.879 Same thing with Unstoppable one scene. I've got to do 0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:24.440 a movie with Denzel that actually has me have more 0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:26.040 than one scene with him. All of my stuff and 0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:29.800 Unstoppable is on the is over the phone, and it 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:32.920 was literally this other dude who we called White Denzel, 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:36.960 who sounds just like Denzel but is not Denzel, but 0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:41.520 he would do his voice and innotations. So all of 0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:43.760 my acting stuff except for the actual day I was 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:45.440 on set with Denzel white. 0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:49.200 Room talking about you'll see about that. 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:50.960 We're training day three with you. 0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:53.159 There. 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:55.119 That's not like, you know when people come up to 0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:56.919 me and go, I really liked you, and Alexander I 0:26:57.000 --> 0:27:01.240 have to say oh, because you only oh and I 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:03.200 like you? Thank you? 0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:21.160 So uh anyway, anyway, we're back. So yeah, so you're 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:27.480 saying that, how how awkward or intense was that film? 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:30.560 Because I felt as though. 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:36.879 That film and a lot of our eyes we're seeing 0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:37.720 you as la la. 0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:38.479 Oh. 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:42.880 Yeah, I still got called cast la la people screaming 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:46.080 down the block. I'm like, why why would you be 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:46.880 in love with that girl? 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.120 And the first time I met you, I was like, man, 0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.679 she's the furthest thing from I know. 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:56.320 I remember Derek Jeter, I think hit up Spike and 0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.080 was like, y'all I want to meet or whatever, and 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.399 Spike was like Juter and I'm like, I'm going to 0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:03.800 show up in sweats and that's exactly what I did. 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:06.480 And Derek was like and I was like, I am 0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:10.720 not laala, like even remotely, not even a little bit. 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:12.679 And you know, because how many times did we hang 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.239 out during that time? I never like, did I wash 0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:15.720 my hair? 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.800 Yes? Who is human? 0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.240 Nice? What are you gonna doa Can I just meet 0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:24.040 see her? 0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:27.439 I actually thought was cool. I was like, oh, okay, 0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:28.600 she's a nerd. 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:37.000 Okay, nice to meet you. But actually we met the 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:40.880 weirdest circumstances was Tarik's party the first time we met. 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:45.240 I think so actually, and I was just thinking about 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:51.080 recently this time that we went to mister Chows together. Yo, 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:52.280 do you remember that? 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.240 You don't know the half of it. 0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:58.960 I remember we went there and I was there and 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:03.200 everybody's still sarted, launching into these stories about like y'all 0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:05.600 remember that time your mom's attacked you with the knife 0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:11.240 getting and it turned into this crazy conversation about mama, 0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:15.120 bases about mama and like how your family members. So 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.160 were like, I'm gonna make you more scared of me 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:20.440 than the drug dealers, keep you in check. 0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.200 No harsh love, all right. So the thing is this, 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:25.760 this is one of the Knights where d pool day, 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:27.840 I can't sing like whatever. 0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.360 We was at like Radio City Music for a week, 0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:34.520 so to these nights he canceled sickness or whatever, so 0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:35.720 we had the night off. 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:40.680 So and most was also on the show. 0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:46.040 So we thought, okay, let's go to mister Chiles and 0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:49.320 you know I was not on mister Childs's budget, So 0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:52.800 I'll explain the second half of. 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:53.520 This dinner thing. 0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:57.440 Anyway, So we're sitting in this back then, mister Chiles 0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:00.600 was the standard, you know, the illustrio. You know, you 0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.920 go to mister Child's. I think like Leonardo was there 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.840 at night. He ignored us and just said he said, 0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:10.120 I to most and maybe Brazario, but everyone else. 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:11.520 We were like minions. 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:13.800 So it was like ten of us and me and 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:16.600 Moses brothers. Like you know, like when when black people 0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.840 get together, we share the worst whooping stories ever, that's 0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:21.440 like our favorite thing, like to share. 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:22.400 Who has the worst tragedy. 0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:28.000 Yeah, we bond, right, But like my my boyfriend at 0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:29.800 the time was there, and he grew up in Hawaii, 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:32.920 barefoot surfing and like with hippie parents. So he walked 0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:37.120 out of their traumatized, like, oh my god, that's abuse. 0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:41.360 That was his mother did that? Why were they laughing? 0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:45.880 It was like the worst the abuse, the funnier the story. 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:48.880 Yeah, and everyone wanted to one up each other like. 0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.600 Yeah, but most of those brothers, oh god. 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:56.280 Umi, yeah yeah yeah, mom. I never mean his mom. 0:30:57.040 --> 0:31:00.920 She's quick with the switch. Anyway, So the check right, 0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:03.080 and this is the first. 0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:07.880 Time I'm looking at a four figure check because I 0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:11.200 made the mistake of in typical mirror fashion, I was 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:15.080 you know, I showed up late. So Most was like, oh, 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:18.040 it's cool, I'm gonna take the liberty and just you know, 0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:20.520 I'll pre order for everyone. So I was like, cool, 0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.640 because I'm not thinking that I'm ever going to be 0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:26.840 subject to a meal that's going to cost twelve hundred dollars. 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:30.840 So Most just ordered one of everything off the menu. 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:35.600 On top of that shit, he ordered you a birthday 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:39.360 cake and it wasn't even your birthday. 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:42.000 I'm like, nigga, you're trying to stump on my dollars. 0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:43.560 Wasn't one of the moment where it's like, let's just 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.440 split this equally, no matter or whatever. 0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:47.640 So something happened. 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:53.320 Something happened, and I knew something was up when four people. 0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:56.760 Brought check and the check looked like four people. 0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:58.680 It looked like not even war in peace. The shit 0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:05.240 looked like the Koran like it was a check, and. 0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:07.200 It looked like a mile long, and it looked like 0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:09.200 the damn when you go to CVS to print out 0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:09.720 that you get with. 0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:13.040 So wait, I need you to dissect this moment because 0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:14.320 at this moment, all of y'all a still at a 0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:15.080 certain tax bracket. 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:16.680 So how long do you look at the check? 0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:18.080 Because you know you don't want to look too long. 0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:18.760 I want to want to. 0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:22.400 Cool, But motherfucker, I had diarrhea. I played. 0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:28.480 Because I mean back then in two thousand, you know, 0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:34.920 like I was probably on an allowance that between my 0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:38.320 record habit and my sneaker habit, you know, a twelve 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:41.920 hundred dollars dinner check could wipe me out. 0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:45.960 You're on top ramen for the next three weeks. 0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:48.960 Yo. I was living off of the d and the 0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.240 tour bus and anyway. 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:54.160 So I went to the bathroom, and you know, Most 0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:57.160 was like all trying to gauge you in another abuse story, 0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:01.640 kind of behind your back. I was like, Yo, the 0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:07.280 bathroom now, so me, Most and his two brothers are 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:10.640 now in the bathroom. 0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:11.560 Fighting over twelve hundred dollars. 0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:17.280 DM, Like we're counting it in the bathroom, and the 0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:21.440 bill was twelve hundred and I think we collectively scrapped 0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:26.480 together like eight hundred and nineteen dollars and we're like, yo, that. 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:29.480 I can't do. So I begged. 0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:32.280 I begged, and Tina at the last minute shout out 0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:35.560 to Tina Fairs. I said, Tina, do not tell Shuan 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:39.800 g don't tell Rich Please swipe the roots card on 0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:43.320 on this thing and get us out of this predicament. 0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:46.560 And I just prayed, and she picked up and came 0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:47.840 to the last minute and saved us. 0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:51.160 Amazing never again. 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.200 Most Oh, y'all dinner, it's like for real, like most. 0:33:54.000 --> 0:34:01.240 Probably that's the last you get in line. 0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:06.680 Yeah, and you were none the wiser I got invited, 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:09.719 dog was I got a birthday cake. 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:13.160 I was like, that's when I got married because I 0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:15.920 looked at him like, yo, dog, is not even her birthday, 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:21.520 but you know what the cake was like one hundred 0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:24.279 and nineteen. But like, yo, dog, I hope it was 0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:26.520 the best cake you have. Eight No, I couldn't eat. 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:26.919 I lost. 0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:28.840 I was trying to regurgitate the food and give it 0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:31.120 back to them. How bad, you know. 0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:33.319 But I think about that story a lot because I 0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:36.200 think about like it's it took that comes up for 0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:38.440 me over so many years, especially at this moment that 0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:40.840 we're in right now. I mean for so many years, 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.359 like you know, we got this times up thing that's 0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:48.600 happening right now, which is really powerful, and all of 0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:51.040 these people who are coming out about harassment and abuse 0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:53.640 and just you know, we've got sexual predator in chief 0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:55.800 in office, and like just so many different things that 0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:57.960 are kind of coming on. And after years of being 0:34:57.960 --> 0:34:59.560 on the board of v Day and Lori's Side Girls 0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:02.359 Club and so many organizations and traveling around the world 0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:06.000 to places like Congo and talking to people from abuse 0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:09.080 and having been abused myself as a kid, and you know, 0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:12.160 just so many different things and recognizing how often we 0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:14.880 really do marginalize the pain that we've gone through and 0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:18.400 how we excuse the harsh sort of realities that we 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:20.440 sort of live in. And it's been really beautiful to 0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.400 see over the years people get their come upance and 0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:25.840 be able to kind of grow past that and become incredible, wonderful, 0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:30.719 beautiful people who are championing light and love and compassion 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:34.080 and empathy and just seeing people like knowing fully well 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.279 what they went through to get to this position, Like 0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:40.239 even watching jay z and concert just talking about like, yo, 0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.120 I came from ugliness and I did ugly things to 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:46.640 get here and now I'm here because I kept speaking 0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:49.160 into the future what I wanted to create because I 0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:51.680 didn't how many people when I was a teenager, I 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:54.480 went to their funerals, And there are a lot of 0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:56.560 people whose funerals that I went to, and there's a 0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:58.719 lot of people who have who are really tortured and 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:01.960 traumatized from not just the neighborhoods and the circumstances they 0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:03.680 grew up in, but from the harsh love that their 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.920 parents and grandparents felt that they needed to wield in 0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:10.520 order to quote unquote protect them and that stuff really, 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:12.680 you know, And and it was just interesting because we 0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:14.360 were right in that moment. It was still something that 0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:17.239 was kind of really blind to me how much we 0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:21.400 tolerate because it's our normal and how you know, like 0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:27.560 as a parent, now that's just not something that's acceptable parents. 0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:33.760 How do you guys view you know, corporate punishment. 0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:35.680 Well, not just corporate conversation has changed now. 0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:38.200 It's not as acceptable to see people talking about that loud, 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:38.600 like it is. 0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:40.919 Like we would laugh at you know, white people saying 0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:42.960 like oh, time out, you know, that sort of thing. 0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:48.759 But it's like, how do you how do you. 0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:54.200 Minister that now so that you don't traumatize your kids and. 0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:57.719 I think for me, I mean, I got boys, so 0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:01.120 you know, it's I think some with boys, there is 0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:04.560 a little particular raising young black boys, like you have 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:07.320 to let them know that the world is not gonna 0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:10.320 be fair, and that generally my message to them. 0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:10.759 I have. 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:13.120 My boys are seventeen and twelve. But I remember telling 0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:16.920 my twelve year old, I'm like, listen, your childhood is 0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:21.680 gonna end in like another year. Like that's pretty much 0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:25.239 when black childhood ends. Once you're no longer cute and 0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:28.600 cut lee and all that stuff, homie, you're a threat. 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:30.360 You get a little height on you, your voice, get a 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:33.240 little deeper, your you know, hands, get a little big Like, dude, 0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:36.040 you're not the same. So versus when you're eight and 0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:39.000 nine and it's you and your buddies at the mall 0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:41.200 or at Chuck E Cheese or whatever the fuck. It's 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:45.160 all these cute little boys. But take thirteen year olds 0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:47.600 and it's for y'all. Now, y'all are game, you know 0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:49.800 what I mean, So you just have to be cognitive 0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:52.880 of that. So to me, I in terms of just beaten, 0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:55.560 that's something that I mean, I definitely got a lot 0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:56.399 of beatens as a kid. 0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:57.360 My boys. 0:37:57.760 --> 0:37:59.759 I can probably count on one hand the number of 0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:01.880 times I ever had to spank them, like ever, you 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.480 know what I'm saying throughout their life. For me, it's 0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:06.640 just more so just a thing of just having conversations 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:09.440 with them and just trying to understand that you know, 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:12.080 you can talk to me about anything. If you bring 0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:14.879 something to me, you won't get in trouble for it 0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:17.160 if you get out ahead of it. But if I 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:22.000 find out some ship, that's your ass. So that's what 0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:29.400 I mean. Growing Yeah, I mean, that's that's how it 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:30.880 is me. And then too, I think we have to 0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:33.839 think of for me, a big thing was like just 0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:36.200 just as black Americans or just all people of color, 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.000 I think you have to think about where our shit 0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:39.279 comes from and all of it. 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:41.359 That ship comes from slavery, you know what I mean. 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:44.040 Like I remember being a kid and like my grandmother 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:46.200 making us pick switches, you know what i mean. 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:47.759 I'm sure, like you probably. 0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:51.560 Sure that in the village that we never put our 0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:53.880 hands on you. 0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:56.719 But that picking on like some slave ship, nigga, Like 0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:59.919 that's because that's not that goes beyond discipline, that's human, 0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.080 you know what I mean, Like that's I'm gonna fuck 0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:05.880 with you and make you pick your own punishment, you 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.320 know what I mean, Like that's psychology, that's some psychological 0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:09.000 abuse shit. 0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:11.040 So even think about like, damn. 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:14.160 Exactly, King Leopold never stepped a foot in the Congo, 0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:16.920 and they that's exactly what they would do, is have 0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:20.520 slaves beat other slaves, you know. And that's this how 0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.160 they created apartheid, Like they went and looked at what 0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:26.000 worked in multiple different countries and places around slavery to 0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:29.840 compile something together that would exactly gaslight people and have 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:32.359 them turning against each other. And I feel like that's 0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:34.440 the moment that we're in right now, where those device, 0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:38.080 those those tools for divisiveness are being exposed, and we're 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.560 recognizing how much we've been siloed from each other and 0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:44.200 and being in competition and creating violence and being marginalized 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:46.200 so that we actually think we're the minority, but we're not. 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:49.319 We're not right at all, and the world around and 0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:51.799 you know, and that part of that was exactly those 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:54.320 things of like you know, my family members who martyred 0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:57.799 themselves and sacrificed, and it was all about, you know, 0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:02.920 forfeiting needs for these other strategies and I was raised 0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.760 in that and it was incredibly corrosive to the spirit 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:09.040 and energy. And it's never mind all the stuff that 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:11.800 you see in culture that also demoralizes you and puts 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.960 you down and marginalizes you. But you got to recognize that, 0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:18.680 like that hate and that fear and those traumas also 0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:21.919 came from your family and that they didn't know any 0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:23.600 better because that's how they were raised. Like it's just 0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:25.640 like the fact that we're at this point right now 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:28.200 where we can really break that cycle, and a lot 0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:30.239 of that is like I love the conversation I was 0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:32.879 talking to people like Patrit's Colors, who's like, going, we 0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:35.840 need to have self care and it's not about me, 0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:38.239 just as you know, one of the founding members of 0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:39.680 Black Lives Matter, going, I need to take care of 0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:42.000 myself because you know, look at Erika Garner just dying 0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:44.759 right now from an enlarged heart. You know, like that's 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:48.440 that's a broken heart and someone who didn't get the 0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:50.200 chance to morn, who's been fighting and fighting and fighting 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:52.640 and now can't raise her child. It's like, you know, 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:54.560 we have to take care of ourselves. But also we 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:58.400 didn't hurt ourselves, and we also need to have a 0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:00.680 conversation that where we're really taking care of ourselves. So 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:03.440 I go back to that conversation often because in that 0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:05.920 when we made light of all of that abuse and trauma, 0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:08.440 and I feel like the conversation that's happening now is 0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:12.360 going really investigating it and going was that good? Was 0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:14.960 that necessary? I mean, it made sense for that time, 0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:17.480 but it no longer works. It's not and not even 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:19.600 that it necessarily really made sense for that time either, 0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:24.719 but it's no longer excusable. But we truly know better 0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:26.600 because I hear y'all and it makes sense. 0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:28.360 But then there's something inside of me just having an 0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:30.719 AMA's moment that makes me go, I was a child 0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:33.279 who got beatens right, not just the switch moment, but 0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:35.200 and it used to be a moment where I was 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:38.880 proud to say, yes, I got beat and I'm a 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:40.600 proud child that I'm not going to do the same 0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:43.759 to my children. But now it's so weird because those 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.680 words coming out of your mouth are now offensive. It's 0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:49.200 not politically correct to say like, but I remember ten 0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:51.560 years ago talking to peers and being like, I got 0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:53.680 beat them and beat my kads yeah, of course, it's 0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:56.440 just we we thought. 0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:57.960 It was normal and we knew the thing and I 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.239 complated is that there was love behind it, right, And 0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:01.799 that's what I said. It wasn't like I was there. 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:04.440 And it's a certain pride and me not I don't 0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:06.279 want to say me being fearful of my mother, but 0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:08.640 it's a certain respect level because although she is two 0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:10.919 feet shorter than me and one hundred pounds smaller, I'm 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:13.080 not fucking with her. But that's not my best friend. 0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:14.759 But I think it some of that was because of 0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:15.120 the beating. 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:15.799 It's just a weird. 0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:16.640 But there's a way you have to. 0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:18.480 I think there's a way you can establish, you know, 0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.680 respect and establish those boundaries that may not necessarily involve 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:24.319 hitting your kids, you know what I mean. You know, 0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:28.320 for me, I've just never had that issue with my boys, 0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:28.799 you know what I mean. 0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:29.520 They just don't. 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:32.680 And so I remember when Tamia Rice got killed and 0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:35.760 I sat my son down at the time, who was eleven, 0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:39.120 I think or ten, and I was like, this, this kid, 0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:41.560 you will be twelve in two years, you know what 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:43.839 I mean, And they just shot and killed this kid, 0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:46.600 just so he was aware of the world that he's 0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:50.160 living in and so just having those kinds of conversations 0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:53.239 just help you to understand that. It's like, listen, I'm 0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:54.879 telling you these things because I care. 0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:55.560 You know what I'm saying. 0:42:55.600 --> 0:43:00.000 And if you do something that is out of pocket, yeah, 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.160 I'm a scream on you, but it's because I'm trying 0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:04.160 to save your fucking life, you know what I mean. 0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:06.600 Like I'm being hard on you because I'm trying to 0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:09.360 protect you, and I may not that may not necessarily 0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:11.319 mean I gotta, you know, put hands on you. And 0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:14.160 as long as they understand that. With my boys, they 0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:17.400 get it. So I just personally haven't had a lot 0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:18.160 to do that. 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:20.480 I think that's just the tools just keep getting refined. 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:22.759 The relationship you have with your mom is because you 0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:24.640 two love each other and you're both good people and 0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:27.160 you want to have that dynamic. Did it have to 0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:29.239 go and be created in the way that it was. 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:33.000 That's arguable it, you know, because you're I'm seeing now 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:34.680 I can have a relationship with my kid that doesn't 0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:37.440 involve those things and I can still get that same 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:41.160 thing and without having to excuse some laps of judgment 0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:44.400 and art, you know, and violence and abuse because that 0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:46.799 wasn't necessary. It was an avenue. We grew up in it. Though, 0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:48.480 Like that's why I keep going back to that conversation, 0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:50.600 because it was like, these are all really good, really talented, 0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:53.919 really smart people, but we're all tolerating this thing because 0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.640 it's our normal. Is what it is, what it is, 0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:59.239 it's it's part of culture. And now the culture is 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:02.000 really transfer formed. And like that's the thing where it's 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:05.440 interesting where I don't necessarily agree about how outrageous young 0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:07.680 people are, and I think that's always sort of been there, 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:10.239 But there's this other beautiful and I get it because 0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:12.400 there's a lot of argument against calling with millennials and 0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:15.680 young people about entitled, but there is something really empower 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:19.120 amazing about how entitled young people feel like they have 0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:21.319 a voice. They have twenty four hour channels dedicated to them. 0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:23.680 We didn't have that. We had a couple of cartoons 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:25.839 and then that was it. It was an adult world. And 0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:28.480 now kids are catered to. They have access to information 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:30.160 that doesn't have to come from their teachers or their 0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.200 parents or their neighborhood. They can really and so at 0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:37.400 a very younger age, they're expressing themselves and feeling entitled 0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:40.240 to those opinions, and so like, you know, you're getting 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:43.719 a different pushback than just like a sassy teenager talking 0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:46.880 to you. You're getting this really young person who feels 0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:49.480 like they have to they can express themselves, which was 0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:51.840 not the same thing. But my mother or my grandmother 0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:54.359 went through in it was like yes, ma'am, no, ma'am, that. 0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:56.240 Did not exist. They are they're more informed. 0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:58.760 Are information is power, and so that's. 0:44:58.600 --> 0:44:59.960 More informed than we were at that age. 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.480 I mean for sure, you know, and it took us 0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:04.480 a long time for us to get to like this 0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:07.040 level of you know, non violent communication and all of 0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.680 this stuff is happening to us in our twenties and 0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:12.719 thirties and forties, and that's happening in teenagers now and 0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:15.640 younger and that that's pretty and seeing them assert themselves 0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:17.920 and going, don't you like you're gonna you don't talk 0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:20.080 to me that way, you don't hit you don't hit 0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:22.440 me like that. Like it's not just that we're deciding that, 0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:24.120 you know, we've decided we want to change, it's these 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:26.120 kids going, what do you think put your hand down? 0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:28.360 Well, well, now they ain't never said that to me. 0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:33.240 Now that'll get you fucked up? Yeah, with your hand, nigga, 0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:38.960 what you got on this mortgage? Nigga about that? 0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:40.799 I still have. I take that from the will Smith 0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:42.359 thing where you tell those kids all, he said, used 0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:44.040 to tell us kids all the time, like clean my room. 0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:46.359 That's my room. No, you ain't paying no rent, that's 0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:46.919 my room. 0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:47.279 Yeah. 0:45:47.400 --> 0:45:49.160 But I struggle, I mean I struggle with that though 0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:50.959 I do. I struggle with it just in the sense 0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:54.120 of like I'm always thinking about I don't know if 0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.560 you will remember. It was like some experiment that some 0:45:56.600 --> 0:45:59.280 scientists did like years this, like in the sixties and seventies. 0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:01.399 But it was basically this experiment where they took these 0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:03.279 fish and they had them in the bowl. They had 0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:05.560 them the fish tank, and so they put the fish 0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:08.040 in the fish tank, and they had one side of 0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:10.839 the fish of the tank closed off, so the fish 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:13.040 can only go into the bowl into like this little 0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:16.080 border or whatever. So then they remove the border, and 0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:18.640 the fish still stayed on the side, you know what 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:20.799 I mean. And so for me, that's kind of the 0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:23.760 thing with what it was raising like you know, black boys, 0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:26.560 it's like I look at like white kids, like if 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:28.040 you've be in the airport and you just see white 0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:30.600 kids just be everywhere, just be running all the funk 0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:33.520 around and they mamas don't stop them, They just let 0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:33.840 them go. 0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:38.560 And we're always as a kid, not like that. 0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:44.240 On the plane to Africa, the kids are running around. 0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:53.000 Oh wow, us in our place y place. Again, it's culture, right, 0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:55.720 and what's what's what's accepted and what's and the fear 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:58.200 that's built into it and you know all of those 0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:00.920 things where we do that, we put up that border 0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:05.279 ourselves and don't step out. But if you see that 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:08.200 difference in people you know over there, then that's what's 0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:10.719 the difference between them and US America. 0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:15.440 They different. 0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:17.640 I'm just saying, yeah. 0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:24.480 So of course you're legendarily known for your political activism. 0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:27.520 What made you, yeah, I believe it or not. I 0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:30.719 don't know if you know this, what made you want 0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:36.359 to step into that realm? Because nine times out of ten, 0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:40.480 you know, once a person reaches a certain place in 0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:45.799 their their career, their profession, they might get in a 0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:48.120 comfortable place where it's like, well, I don't want to 0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:51.719 rap my boat. And you know, you have this sort 0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:57.840 of Harriet Tubman thing about you where it's like you 0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:01.640 you ride for your people, and every time I turn around, 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:04.600 you're either you know, doing some girls club thing or 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:08.200 you're always i'd see you do more social work than 0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:12.080 I do your professional work. But then again, you know, 0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:15.040 you know, if you're getting Marvel money, then I'm getting. 0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:20.120 Like, okay, we're getting money. You know. 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:25.279 I'm sure that affords you, you know, time to balance. Yeah, like, 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:30.279 how do you balance your professional career? And you know, 0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:35.680 why do you feel it's such a need to be 0:48:36.000 --> 0:48:40.440 politically and socially involved in the lives of the uh 0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:42.719 I guess disenfranchised or. 0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:47.480 Well, I grew up before you know, Kimblee Crenshaw sort 0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:52.920 of coined intersectionality with her remarkable ted talk and work. 0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:57.000 I grew up understanding the intersectionality of my mom being 0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:01.200 a teenage mom and lack of education and home and 0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:03.840 security and jobs, you know, and like, you know, the 0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:07.000 voice my mom would put on, Hi, I'm Isabelle celest Dosan, 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:08.560 you know, and to try to get a job, and 0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:10.319 then suddenly she'd show up and the job was no 0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:13.399 longer available and the apartment was no longer available. Because 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:15.400 she's a six foot tall Puerto Rican from the Bronx 0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.640 and she sounded different on the phone, but you know, 0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:21.719 and and growing up in New York with a you know, 0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:27.839 housing crisis and AIDS and HIV and and you know, 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:31.560 this heroin and crack epidemic and just so many different 0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:33.440 things that it's like, you know, my mom worked in 0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:35.680 organizations and she used to campaign, and so many other 0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:37.720 people that I grew up with, and there were also 0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:44.759 broken people who could also really be you know, abusive 0:49:44.920 --> 0:49:48.160 and terrible and traumatized. And so it was like this 0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.160 weird dichotomy of people. But it was always still people 0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:52.680 that I saw who were not perfect, who did not 0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:56.000 have it all together, who were also still going, I'm 0:49:56.080 --> 0:49:58.479 going to help. You know, these are people who didn't 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.560 have anything, and it was poor people helping people. So 0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:02.959 and then the very first movie I do is about 0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:07.719 HIV and AIDS and rape and kids in New York 0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:10.319 City and it's you know, and it shot up and 0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:12.880 it made an impact, and I had so many incredible 0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:16.200 conversations with people who had revelations about their behavior from 0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:19.080 watching the movie. And so for me, it was always intertwined. 0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:22.120 I grew up around activists. I went into film through 0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:26.799 sort of advocacy, and so I recognized really early on 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:29.560 that the more I kept myself quote unquote relevant doing 0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:33.480 work consistently, the more I could continue to also promote 0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:35.919 the heroes and heroines that I grew up with, who 0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:39.200 were the ones who were pushing back against discriminatory housing 0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:42.640 laws and you know, working to get drug addicts off 0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:45.480 the streets and making better school programs for kids and 0:50:45.840 --> 0:50:47.720 so just it was always something that I did forever. 0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:50.319 But it's it's interesting now being you know, in sort 0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:52.600 of like this times Up group with all these amazing 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:55.080 actresses and women and you know, over just a couple 0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:56.719 of months and all these different people who've put out 0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:59.719 their stories so bravely, and you know, the whistleblowers who 0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:02.719 have lost work over it, and now it's time to 0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:06.400 celebrate them. The Rose McGowan's and the Annabelasias and the 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:12.799 you know, Anthony Rafts, Terry Crews, Corey Feldman, you know, 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:16.120 Ashley Judd, Olivia Munn, Like it's important to say these 0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:18.920 people's names because they lost work, they mire Sorvino like, 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:22.520 their careers were attacked and I you know, and and 0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:25.440 someone said something really beautiful yesterday of just talking about 0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:28.000 how because of the way she grew up, she self 0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:31.839 soothed and was able to sort of find other avenues 0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:36.319 to express herself and to have success or just to 0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:39.480 be working or you know, keeping herself busy and finding 0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:42.440 you know, vitality in her life when that work did 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:44.880 dry up. And but when she did that, she was 0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:48.560 also marginalizing her talent and her access because suddenly that 0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:51.000 worked right up. So rather than really address how it 0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:53.480 cost her her career, she just was like, I don't 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:55.160 really want to do it, or you know, oh it's 0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:57.719 totally cool, or maybe actually I can't do it. And 0:51:57.760 --> 0:52:00.400 the psychological sort of abuse that that was, and I 0:52:00.840 --> 0:52:03.120 look at it as well, because it's like, you know, 0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:06.520 I see certain performances or I see certain people now, 0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:08.960 and I see characters out there that look like me, 0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:11.440 that were roles that I never would have had access 0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:14.360 to over so many years. And I've always worked, but 0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:17.319 I had to do a lot of independent work, and 0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:20.239 you know, and it's and so I very often did 0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:22.480 not get paid. I got paid scale when I was 0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:25.160 on both Spikeley movies, you know, and Denzel getting you 0:52:25.160 --> 0:52:27.200 know whatever how many millions or whatever he was getting. 0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:29.239 You know, it's like and it doesn't mean, I didn't 0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:31.080 do great work, and it doesn't mean you know, how 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:33.879 many stuff, but I didn't get I don't get nominated 0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:35.799 for stuff. And I don't know if that has to 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:37.279 do with anything, but I know I'm one of the 0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:40.279 few who's always pushed back and been very radical about 0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:42.279 a lot of different issues. And people have always asked 0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:44.160 me for years, has that cost you work? And since 0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:45.920 I've always worked, I never really thought about it, but 0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:47.560 I haven't had access to the work that I really 0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:50.600 want to do necessarily, And it's interesting to me to 0:52:50.640 --> 0:52:52.560 kind of think, like, has it affected my work? Like 0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:54.560 I don't. I don't know, Like I don't has it 0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.080 Has it stopped me from getting on certain lists? I 0:52:57.120 --> 0:52:59.960 know for sure, you know, sort of being a Bernie 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:02.560 person didn't make a lot of people in Hollywood very 0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:05.440 happy with me, you know, And and so I wonder 0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:08.759 what that effect is, you know, necessarily for speaking up 0:53:08.880 --> 0:53:13.360 on behalf of trans rights and you know, gay rights 0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:17.240 and children's rights and anti abuse and education and housing 0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:19.439 all the different things that I've you know, fought for 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:21.719 for so many years. You know, I don't, I don't 0:53:21.760 --> 0:53:23.319 know if it's cost me anything, but I do know 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:27.360 I have constantly redirected my energy and just kind of 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:29.959 kept moving forward rather than really kind of look at, well, 0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:32.719 why didn't that turn into more work? Actually I got 0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:34.759 a lot of praise for that, Like, I know, I 0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:36.600 did a really great job in that, like seven pounds 0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:39.080 was really powerful or this was really powerful? On how 0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:41.360 come that? Like, and I'm working with people who I 0:53:41.360 --> 0:53:44.000 also know didn't get recognized because Will wouldn't get that attention, 0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:47.040 Spike wouldn't get that attention. I'd see their frustration as well, 0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:49.240 being the huge names that they were and how often 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:52.160 their work was marginalized. So it's like you see a 0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:55.520 pattern that's definitely there. Whether it's because you're outspoken, or 0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:58.960 because you're of color, or because you're a woman or 0:53:58.960 --> 0:54:01.000 whatever it is, but they're are a lot of voices 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:07.120 that have been marginalized for years because of discrimination. 0:54:07.280 --> 0:54:07.680 What is that? 0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:12.040 I just I was just curious, what is that role? 0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:13.719 Because when you think back of all the roles you 0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:16.080 have played has been very diverse, But what is that role? 0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:18.160 Did you think that you're missing out on in that way? 0:54:18.280 --> 0:54:22.640 Like, I mean, I I the opportunity, No, I mean 0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:25.080 I can definitely see there's you know, I'm not. I 0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:27.200 don't you know that when I look at what things 0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:29.960 I have, Like I auditioned for seven pounds, I auditioned 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:32.279 for Sin City, I auditioned, Like these are roles that 0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:34.759 I fought for. These are not like, you know, and 0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:36.960 so there's this impression that like, I get offered all 0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:40.160 this stuff all the time, but actually fight for a 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:42.200 lot of the stuff. But it's it's you know, so 0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:44.960 it's interesting, like you know, there's sort of this idea 0:54:44.960 --> 0:54:46.400 of what that looks like. And then I meet other 0:54:46.440 --> 0:54:48.080 people in my peers and they're like, oh, yeah, I'm 0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:49.279 turning on this moment. I'm like. 0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:56.480 Saying that even at this this stage in your career 0:54:57.000 --> 0:54:59.439 twenty plus, that you're still. 0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:02.920 Yeah, and I still I guess it's not to say 0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:05.000 I don't like don't get offers or this or that, 0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:07.880 and I'm very grateful for like the position that I'm in, 0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:10.319 but I have to you know, it's it's just it's 0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:15.040 really interesting to recognize how, especially as women, you know, 0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:17.000 to be in this group of women now who are 0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:19.080 talking to each other and to see across the board 0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:22.680 how significant it feels for all of us, because you know, 0:55:22.760 --> 0:55:25.680 there aren't like those men's groups, there's this confidence like, oh, 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:27.879 you're a Chris too, You're Chris. You're Chris, You're Chris. 0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:30.960 You all get franchises, you know. And it's like all 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:33.200 of us ladies are like pitted against each other. And 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:36.480 how many times have I auditioned against Kerrie Washington and 0:55:36.520 --> 0:55:38.120 Lucy Low and whatever? And it was like, oh, this 0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:43.120 is the diversity character. So we're all in competition with Sea. Yeah, 0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:45.279 we're all the we're the like, so there's one of 0:55:45.360 --> 0:55:48.200 us and then all men. And so like it's we're 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:52.600 always taught where we're given this idea like you're you're welcome, 0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:55.239 even though you're doing just as much work and for 0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:57.920 a fraction of the pay. But like if you say anything, 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.880 you know, know that you're replaceable, which doesn't feel like 0:56:00.920 --> 0:56:03.040 the same thing that we're hear from our male counterparts. 0:56:03.360 --> 0:56:05.719 And so like that's and and so there's like that's 0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:07.320 where there's a lot of anger from a lot of 0:56:07.400 --> 0:56:09.960 especially the women who are coming forward right now and 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:14.359 have been coming forward for years, because it absolutely cost 0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:17.120 them work. I don't know that I can definitively say 0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:19.799 that for myself, but I know I have been a 0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:25.759 very outspoken person for a lot of years and yeah, 0:56:25.800 --> 0:56:28.200 and that capacity, but at the same time, like I 0:56:28.200 --> 0:56:30.000 don't know what that's cost me or not, Like I 0:56:30.000 --> 0:56:33.080 don't know if I had only specifically dedicated myself to 0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:36.279 acting and performing and doing the parties and doing the 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:38.839 you know, all of that and playing that game, if 0:56:38.880 --> 0:56:41.320 I had, but instead I took I did a job. 0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:43.279 I was like, great, now I have press and I'm 0:56:43.280 --> 0:56:45.800 going to talk about this issue here. Thank you for that, 0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:49.360 and you know, and you know now it's so beautiful 0:56:49.360 --> 0:56:51.560 now to see these people who are are making really 0:56:51.600 --> 0:56:55.120 good money and aren't having access to social media, which 0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:57.440 I didn't have at that time to be able to 0:56:57.480 --> 0:57:00.520 really speak out to people and still grow their success 0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:02.520 at the same time as talking about these issues. That 0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:04.120 wasn't an option for me. 0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:07.480 Go ahead, wait, let me just get this kind of 0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:08.279 a three part question. 0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:11.000 But how did you because I know that no woman 0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:13.600 in Hollywood is unscathed, Yeah, but. 0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:16.920 How do you deal with. 0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:20.680 Whatever the Weinstein's or the Rattiners of Hollywood, which I'm 0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:22.880 sure there's a lot of them and some that haven't 0:57:22.920 --> 0:57:24.480 been touched yet, But. 0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:31.240 How do you navigate your way through that landmine? 0:57:31.600 --> 0:57:31.880 Well? 0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:35.920 What's the difference between you know, Okay, I get creepy 0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:38.439 vibes from this one and oh this one has such 0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:40.920 a claim and it's such an honor to be in 0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:43.560 this one's movies because of his legacy and his lineage. 0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:45.800 But I don't know, like, how do you. 0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:51.360 I mean again, because I didn't ever really play like 0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:54.040 that game. You know, there are people I avoided in general, 0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:55.919 or I did what I had to do work wise. 0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:57.480 I always treated it like Okay, I got to come 0:57:57.480 --> 0:57:59.800 here and do this party or do whatever, and then 0:57:59.800 --> 0:58:03.200 I'm out. Like I never I didn't do hey, let's 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:06.640 go to dinner. Yeah, I very much avoided that. And 0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:07.880 if anything, that was one of the things that I 0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:10.720 thought about yesterday is like because I was I was 0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:14.200 raped in lested as a child with you know, with 0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:16.600 one with a family member and one with the babysitter. 0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:20.040 So for me, it was I grew up with this 0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:23.200 sort of understanding that the world isn't safe, and so 0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:26.440 I have going into this industry of course, I mean 0:58:26.520 --> 0:58:29.160 from kids, you know, and like how old are you, Larry? 0:58:29.880 --> 0:58:31.800 Why are you shooting these kids that dress like or 0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:35.640 not dressed like this? You know, I've I've definitely just 0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:39.560 had for a very long time. I just assume all 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:43.600 everybody has some sort of dark potential story. So I 0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:48.200 walked into most And so did I excuse or did 0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:52.160 I ignore or did I as just navigate around all 0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:56.240 of that? Yeah, because it was it's except quote unquote tolerated. 0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:59.080 It's what's been passed down by family members who go 0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:01.080 that happened to me too, Baby, should be just gonna 0:59:01.120 --> 0:59:03.720 move on. You know, I said to me, see what 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:04.080 I'm saying. 0:59:04.080 --> 0:59:05.640 My mom said to me, every woman in your life 0:59:05.760 --> 0:59:08.000 has been raped oresectually assaulted at some point. 0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:10.760 Now happening. We're taught like that's just how you got 0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:12.320 to deal with it, you know, like we're you know 0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:13.840 where we were sitting in one of these meetings and 0:59:13.840 --> 0:59:15.840 it was saying, you know a lot of people's first 0:59:15.920 --> 0:59:19.240 jobs is going into the waitressinger industry and that's a 0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:22.760 two dollars I think thirteen cent an hour pay, so 0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:25.920 basically the first job out of the house. Whatever trauma 0:59:26.040 --> 0:59:28.800 or not trauma you experienced there. Now you're going into 0:59:28.800 --> 0:59:32.200 the space where you're being told we're revealing clothes. Deal 0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:35.560 with that scumbag because maybe they'll give you a good tip. 0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:40.200 So now pussy grabber in chief is potentially the good tipper. Yeah, 0:59:40.240 --> 0:59:42.120 and you know so how do you then go to 0:59:42.320 --> 0:59:44.600 hr How do you then when you start building up 0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:47.640 ever go Those power dynamics are always exploited. You saw 0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:49.320 it at home, you saw it in your community, you 0:59:49.320 --> 0:59:52.320 saw it at school, you see it all. It's pervasively 0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:54.000 all around the world. At what point do you have 0:59:54.040 --> 0:59:56.960 the gumption to go no where? Like I know that 0:59:57.040 --> 1:00:00.360 most of the world's enslaved, but underground row would road 1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:02.960 later we're gonna say this isn't okay. It doesn't matter 1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:06.120 if it's the law, it's not okay. And the reason 1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:08.080 why people can be fired like this and all the 1:00:08.080 --> 1:00:10.520 stuff that's going on right now is because people behind 1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:12.840 the scenes for many years have been working to put 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:16.720 those anti discriminatory you know, laws in place and in 1:00:16.800 --> 1:00:18.920 contracts for so long that they all need to be bettered. 1:00:19.000 --> 1:00:20.960 NDA's got to go, Like all these different things have 1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:23.240 to happen. But like this moment was a long time 1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:25.360 building and coming from a lot of heroes and heroines 1:00:25.400 --> 1:00:28.040 that'll never be recognized. Who did that dirty work when 1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:31.440 no one cared, when it was totally like where the 1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:34.760 story was. You know, we're not going to talk about 1:00:34.800 --> 1:00:37.440 what Bill cos Beer, Woody Allen did because they make 1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:41.280 great projects and this generation is going, uh no, you 1:00:41.480 --> 1:00:44.040 ruined those projects for me because you did bad things. 1:00:44.360 --> 1:00:46.960 That's actually how that story is told, and that's really 1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:49.240 that's a huge transformation from how I grew up. When 1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:51.160 I grew up, it was like, it is what it is. 1:00:51.360 --> 1:00:55.320 It's been secret, and you separated and it's totally fine, 1:00:55.400 --> 1:00:58.640 and to finally be in so my activism really felt separate, 1:00:59.320 --> 1:01:01.280 you know, like it like I do this over here 1:01:01.320 --> 1:01:02.640 and I try to help with the girls, and I 1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:04.400 try to make the inroads that I can, but I 1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:08.520 understand that I have to navigate this really carefully in 1:01:08.560 --> 1:01:11.360 my industry. And now that's starting to change, which is 1:01:11.400 --> 1:01:12.040 really powerful. 1:01:12.480 --> 1:01:12.800 All right. 1:01:12.920 --> 1:01:16.280 Part two, that sort of question is, all right, knowing 1:01:16.440 --> 1:01:24.560 that you are now in this community of actresses that 1:01:24.600 --> 1:01:27.920 are in conversation and you know, you guys are talking 1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:36.640 to each other daily, is there a general awareness because 1:01:36.680 --> 1:01:39.160 I know that well, you know, I know that you 1:01:39.400 --> 1:01:44.280 are in the minority of this, being a woman of 1:01:44.280 --> 1:01:52.200 color and not white. Is there a general understanding that 1:01:52.240 --> 1:02:00.120 there's still a harder level for women of color in 1:02:00.160 --> 1:02:07.640 the acting community to even get fair you know, basic treatment, 1:02:07.680 --> 1:02:09.880 not even fair treatment, but basic treatment. 1:02:09.560 --> 1:02:12.440 A million Oh they do, Yeah, because we are we 1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:14.720 are definitely pushing for that. When we're saying like fifty 1:02:14.720 --> 1:02:16.920 to fifty by twenty twenty, trying to change the boards, 1:02:16.920 --> 1:02:19.200 trying to change all the different power dynamics. It's not 1:02:19.280 --> 1:02:22.280 just going white cisgender women. It's understanding that that needs 1:02:22.320 --> 1:02:27.360 to be inclusive of lgbt t Q, LGBTQ i A people. 1:02:27.520 --> 1:02:30.960 It needs to be down because so many letters been added, I. 1:02:30.960 --> 1:02:35.600 Know, it's so much the intersectionality. Yeah, so you know, 1:02:35.640 --> 1:02:37.920 I think it's it. I think it's just you know, 1:02:38.080 --> 1:02:42.680 this idea of like that representing people of all that's 1:02:42.680 --> 1:02:45.800 disabled persons that like, it's it's much bigger than even 1:02:45.880 --> 1:02:48.160 just brown and white and black, you know and Latina 1:02:48.200 --> 1:02:50.680 an Asian, like it's it's a bigger it's a bigger issue. 1:02:50.680 --> 1:02:53.439 But it's also you know, we got this beautiful letter 1:02:53.600 --> 1:02:59.959 from the farm workers who you know, they are picking 1:03:00.160 --> 1:03:04.760 our food and vulnerable to rape daily because they're out 1:03:04.760 --> 1:03:07.400 there in the fields on their own, and they were 1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:09.400 so moved by so many of these stories that they 1:03:09.400 --> 1:03:11.640 wrote a letter in solidarity with us, and we wrote 1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:13.080 a letter back, and one of the things I pushed 1:03:13.080 --> 1:03:14.360 back on it was like, you know, they really made 1:03:14.360 --> 1:03:16.240 it much more inclusive. It's not just women, so Times 1:03:16.320 --> 1:03:21.320 Up is women, but the legal defense fund that we're 1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:25.760 funding that goes for you know, quote unquote low wage 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:28.880 or some you know, kind of workers across the nation, 1:03:29.400 --> 1:03:33.200 male and female. Beyond the binary of understanding, like the 1:03:33.240 --> 1:03:35.200 fact that women have come together, which I think is 1:03:35.240 --> 1:03:37.280 really important. We do need women to be able to 1:03:37.280 --> 1:03:39.160 feel we've been so cut off from each other. I 1:03:39.160 --> 1:03:41.080 think it's really powerful and really beautiful, and there's so 1:03:41.120 --> 1:03:43.600 much healing that needs to happen among women. But I 1:03:43.640 --> 1:03:45.720 love that women came together to tell these stories and 1:03:45.760 --> 1:03:48.919 are also recognizing the men who've come forward and are 1:03:48.960 --> 1:03:51.439 recognizing that with the money that we're raising to help 1:03:51.480 --> 1:03:53.920 people to push back against their predators and hold them 1:03:53.960 --> 1:03:57.320 accountable legally, that they need those funds. And the fifteen 1:03:57.360 --> 1:03:59.040 million dollars that have already been raised in just the 1:03:59.080 --> 1:04:02.760 past couple of weeks, nine thousand donations goes to disabled 1:04:02.760 --> 1:04:06.080 persons LGBTQI. Hey people, men and women, like I mean, 1:04:06.120 --> 1:04:09.520 it's it's really beautiful that like, women are coming to 1:04:09.560 --> 1:04:12.600 the rescue, but we're inviting them, our male allies to 1:04:12.680 --> 1:04:14.840 help us out, but we're not waiting for them. And 1:04:14.920 --> 1:04:17.439 that's that's to me, one of the most provocative things. 1:04:17.480 --> 1:04:19.640 And to build on what Amir said, though, is there 1:04:19.680 --> 1:04:23.000 a conversation because I feel like, especially now with an understanding, 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:24.880 that we don't understand each other as much as we think. 1:04:24.920 --> 1:04:26.919 You know what I mean, especially me too, means very 1:04:26.960 --> 1:04:29.560 different things, but especially for people of color. You know, 1:04:29.640 --> 1:04:32.040 as people of color in this country, we've been we 1:04:32.240 --> 1:04:34.240 have to know some basic things about white folks. 1:04:34.320 --> 1:04:35.200 It's in our history. 1:04:35.240 --> 1:04:37.320 For the first eighteen years of our lives, we are 1:04:37.360 --> 1:04:39.880 taught about white folks. White folks have the option of 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:43.400 learning about black people right So on the hills of 1:04:43.440 --> 1:04:46.200 what Amir said, you know, I always find it interesting 1:04:46.200 --> 1:04:49.920 with white women how it's a woman's movement, it's women. 1:04:49.720 --> 1:04:50.720 Got their right to vote. 1:04:50.760 --> 1:04:52.560 But there is a whole disconnect of talking like I 1:04:52.600 --> 1:04:54.680 hate when I hear women talk about women's suffrage and 1:04:54.720 --> 1:04:57.600 white women seem to forget that women of black women 1:04:57.640 --> 1:04:59.680 could not vote until nineteen sixty five, where you were 1:04:59.720 --> 1:05:01.680 voting eighteen sixty whatever. 1:05:02.040 --> 1:05:04.760 Also the Native American women who were the models for 1:05:04.800 --> 1:05:08.360 the suffragette movement who never who never get recognized. That's right. 1:05:08.480 --> 1:05:10.840 So like it's you know, like the it didn't like 1:05:10.920 --> 1:05:12.960 have a bunch of people leaving from England and showing 1:05:13.000 --> 1:05:15.360 up here and going I'm gonna create three branches of government. No, 1:05:15.440 --> 1:05:18.600 you got that from Natives if you were living and 1:05:18.640 --> 1:05:21.720 have and had an incredible democracy. That was the first democracy. 1:05:21.760 --> 1:05:23.880 These were not just people walking around with you know, 1:05:24.480 --> 1:05:26.400 fingers up in the air like this. This was These 1:05:26.400 --> 1:05:30.000 were whole communities with leadership where the women were recognized, 1:05:30.000 --> 1:05:32.640 men were recognized, trans people were recognized as having two 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:35.600 spirits and considered valuable to the community. 1:05:35.680 --> 1:05:37.760 Like that is still that's an added on a conversation. 1:05:37.760 --> 1:05:39.960 I'm just saying it's not at the beginning of the conversation. 1:05:40.160 --> 1:05:43.720 So absolutely it's been That's why I'm in that space, right, Okay, 1:05:43.760 --> 1:05:45.920 That's why Gabrielle Union's in that space, and Rashida's in 1:05:45.920 --> 1:05:47.800 that space. In America's in that space, and all of 1:05:47.880 --> 1:05:52.200 us are being really assertive about you know, making sure 1:05:52.320 --> 1:05:53.760 like and we're going just going we have to have 1:05:53.800 --> 1:05:56.000 fifty to fifty by twenty twenty, Well, what does that 1:05:56.040 --> 1:05:59.280 exactly mean? You know, like, how many of those how 1:05:59.400 --> 1:06:02.080 diverse does that fifty to fifty look? You know, and 1:06:02.680 --> 1:06:05.320 really making sure that that's really understood that if we're 1:06:05.320 --> 1:06:09.200 talking about having a world and that that reflect you know, 1:06:09.240 --> 1:06:11.760 having an industry that's reflective of the world, that means 1:06:11.760 --> 1:06:14.160 we got to look at the statistics of what this 1:06:14.200 --> 1:06:17.160 world actually looks like. And right now those numbers don't exist. 1:06:17.240 --> 1:06:18.800 And what's one of the things that's interesting of like 1:06:18.840 --> 1:06:21.080 doing the research on this is like, if there's one 1:06:21.120 --> 1:06:24.040 woman out of ten on a board, three quarters of 1:06:24.080 --> 1:06:26.560 men think that it's diverse enough, and a third of 1:06:26.600 --> 1:06:29.160 women think it's diverse enough. But there's actually, you know, 1:06:29.360 --> 1:06:31.520 or a little bit more I think, actually think that, okay, 1:06:31.520 --> 1:06:33.520 well we've got a diverse board. Now there's one out 1:06:33.520 --> 1:06:36.320 of ten, you know, and never mind that if she'll 1:06:36.320 --> 1:06:38.560 ever be or whatever. 1:06:38.320 --> 1:06:40.120 You know, and that one woman does she underdo what 1:06:40.160 --> 1:06:42.400 do women understand at that point? Though? That diverse doesn't 1:06:42.400 --> 1:06:44.120 just mean one white woman sitting there? Are you happy 1:06:44.120 --> 1:06:45.600 now that you see one white woman sitting there? But 1:06:45.640 --> 1:06:47.880 do you even notice that there's something else missing? 1:06:48.120 --> 1:06:50.600 Absolutely? And so like and that's again goes back to 1:06:50.600 --> 1:06:53.200 the psychological stuff of like what we are conditioned to 1:06:53.240 --> 1:06:56.320 believe we can have and how much we we we 1:06:56.400 --> 1:06:58.600 get so excited about the little bit that we get 1:06:58.640 --> 1:07:01.120 that we celebrate as opposed to cantinuing to push for 1:07:01.200 --> 1:07:04.920 what we actually need, let alone deserve or want. 1:07:04.680 --> 1:07:06.920 But like need and how do you see this translating, 1:07:07.080 --> 1:07:09.520 especially since it's Hollywood, how do you see this translating 1:07:09.880 --> 1:07:12.720 to the everyday person, especially when we're talking about like, 1:07:12.800 --> 1:07:14.760 I mean, do we even does lily lead better even 1:07:14.800 --> 1:07:18.040 matter anymore? Like how you see this translating into fair 1:07:18.120 --> 1:07:19.520 pay for women period? 1:07:19.800 --> 1:07:20.320 You know what I mean? 1:07:20.440 --> 1:07:21.200 It's not basic. 1:07:21.320 --> 1:07:23.080 This is like we're raising you know, we're trying to 1:07:23.160 --> 1:07:25.520 change code of context. We're trying to change laws, like 1:07:25.560 --> 1:07:27.520 we're trying to change the lay up the you know, 1:07:27.560 --> 1:07:31.040 we're talking about changing the people are at the top, 1:07:31.120 --> 1:07:33.720 the studios and the agencies, the ones who do all 1:07:33.720 --> 1:07:37.040 that hiring. You're never like agencies will poach other people 1:07:37.080 --> 1:07:39.880 to meet their quotas. They will poach other women or 1:07:39.920 --> 1:07:42.080 people of color from other agencies, which means you only 1:07:42.160 --> 1:07:44.720 rob them and create more disparaty in those other spaces. 1:07:44.720 --> 1:07:46.960 As opposed to growing them and going I'm gonna make 1:07:47.000 --> 1:07:49.520 sure I'm gonna start with the interns and grow this 1:07:49.680 --> 1:07:53.000 talent and make sure it's diverse from the get you know. 1:07:53.080 --> 1:07:55.440 Like that's the conversation that we're having, and right now 1:07:55.480 --> 1:07:57.600 we're getting people going like, yeah, we'll do it, and 1:07:57.640 --> 1:07:59.600 it's like, I don't think you understand what we're saying 1:08:00.520 --> 1:08:02.520 the people we want to see on this board, because 1:08:02.600 --> 1:08:05.240 if we change that, If we change that, then we 1:08:05.320 --> 1:08:09.000 change the hiring practices, we change the stories that we tell. 1:08:09.040 --> 1:08:11.120 When there are a majority of women on a set, 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:14.760 suddenly women aren't geting, Like it erases a lot of 1:08:14.760 --> 1:08:17.320 the sexual harassment and abuse that exists right now. Like 1:08:17.720 --> 1:08:19.479 we can do all we want to change the laws 1:08:19.479 --> 1:08:22.719 about like going after perpetrators, but you got to start 1:08:22.760 --> 1:08:24.800 where we gotta, we gotta you know, we're and we're 1:08:24.800 --> 1:08:27.120 doing that and that's why that fund is there. But 1:08:27.200 --> 1:08:29.200 at the same time, if we don't really address what 1:08:29.400 --> 1:08:32.840 creates those environments to begin with, we're just going to 1:08:32.960 --> 1:08:35.000 keep putting a band aid to try to stop this 1:08:35.640 --> 1:08:38.800 bleeding wound. And we have to change that, and that's 1:08:38.840 --> 1:08:41.880 not gonna go very easily. I mean I'm sure, Like 1:08:41.920 --> 1:08:44.000 that's an interesting conversation. I've talked to a lot of people, 1:08:44.080 --> 1:08:45.840 especially at our age, where it's like, you work so 1:08:45.960 --> 1:08:48.960 hard in your different industries to get to the top, 1:08:49.600 --> 1:08:52.480 and then you recognize when you when you're really successful, 1:08:52.880 --> 1:08:56.080 white women included, you're like, I'm surrounded by older white men, 1:08:57.240 --> 1:08:59.519 like that's the top. Like and then people and I 1:08:59.520 --> 1:09:02.160 think like that moment where people get so like disinterested 1:09:02.240 --> 1:09:05.599 or unhappy in their thirties and forties is not like 1:09:05.800 --> 1:09:08.799 just like age, but literally because you realize you sacrificed 1:09:08.840 --> 1:09:10.880 your whole life to get into that room, and you 1:09:10.960 --> 1:09:14.760 realize that room is not someplace that you're is and 1:09:14.840 --> 1:09:18.120 not comforting and not like and it's not something that 1:09:18.520 --> 1:09:20.720 like because that's where the keys have been held, you know, 1:09:20.760 --> 1:09:23.360 like getting an education as a woman or a person 1:09:23.400 --> 1:09:26.400 of color that was illegal. So like, bit by bit, 1:09:26.479 --> 1:09:29.160 over many years, we have gotten ourselves into all of 1:09:29.200 --> 1:09:31.880 those spaces, but there are still some spaces that have 1:09:32.000 --> 1:09:35.360 really siloed from us, and we are trying at this 1:09:35.400 --> 1:09:37.439 point to break into those spaces. And once you get 1:09:37.520 --> 1:09:40.719 up there, that's the world. That's the world that creates 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:42.920 all the rules and the laws and the stories and 1:09:42.960 --> 1:09:45.360 the culture and whatever, and that's so far the keys 1:09:45.360 --> 1:09:51.160 are still very tightly kept. 1:09:52.200 --> 1:09:54.400 Well that sort of leads to my part three question 1:09:54.760 --> 1:09:58.559 is Okay, so I guess twenty seventeen was the purging 1:09:58.600 --> 1:10:04.640 period build and destroy whatever or destroy and rebuild. So 1:10:06.560 --> 1:10:10.720 the you're saying that twenty twenty is kind of the 1:10:10.760 --> 1:10:14.240 in game goal to set these things in place. 1:10:14.240 --> 1:10:17.840 Or that's where we're you know, it's not an impossibility 1:10:17.880 --> 1:10:21.040 to think about having there's there's It's like, what was 1:10:21.080 --> 1:10:23.200 it Chris who made that joke about Barack being Like, 1:10:23.840 --> 1:10:26.520 it wasn't that suddenly, for the first time in American 1:10:26.640 --> 1:10:28.400 history there was a black man who was capable of 1:10:28.439 --> 1:10:30.519 being president. It was just that this was the first 1:10:30.560 --> 1:10:34.320 time that we allowed a person of color to be president. 1:10:34.360 --> 1:10:36.200 You know. So it's like, I feel like that's the 1:10:36.240 --> 1:10:39.120 space that we're in right now. The conversation's really pushing 1:10:39.200 --> 1:10:41.599 and going. This could have changed a long time ago, 1:10:42.479 --> 1:10:45.000 and now it's time for it to change. And the 1:10:45.000 --> 1:10:46.880 only way to do that is to push for it. 1:10:46.960 --> 1:10:49.760 Like you if you don't reach for it, if you 1:10:49.800 --> 1:10:54.400 don't push for it, if you don't organize and strategize 1:10:54.520 --> 1:10:56.519 and do all these different things. That's the long game, 1:10:56.560 --> 1:10:58.840 you know, it was it was you know, I forget 1:10:58.840 --> 1:11:00.800 her name, which is unfortunate. Is a white woman who 1:11:01.040 --> 1:11:05.360 paid for you know, the Montgomery bus strike to last 1:11:05.400 --> 1:11:08.080 for a year. She had volunteered and said, you, okay, 1:11:08.160 --> 1:11:10.800 I know you guys can't lose work over this, so 1:11:10.920 --> 1:11:13.080 and the strike is really important, so I'll pay for 1:11:13.120 --> 1:11:14.960 it as long as it lasts, not knowing it was 1:11:15.000 --> 1:11:18.240 going to last a year, and she passed her word 1:11:18.640 --> 1:11:21.960 and continued to pay so that they really after a year, 1:11:21.960 --> 1:11:24.000 we're like, damn it, you guys are really not going 1:11:24.080 --> 1:11:26.800 to take these buses. We need to work like So 1:11:26.880 --> 1:11:28.800 that's the Those are the stories that we're not told 1:11:28.840 --> 1:11:30.800 of how long it takes, the kind of allies that 1:11:30.840 --> 1:11:33.080 we need, and this is like so it's great, there, 1:11:33.080 --> 1:11:34.640 everyone's going to wear black at the Golden Globes and 1:11:34.640 --> 1:11:37.040 do all these different symbolic things. But we are really 1:11:37.080 --> 1:11:39.240 truly of the understanding that this is the long game 1:11:39.320 --> 1:11:40.360 and we have to an election. 1:11:42.479 --> 1:11:46.559 Will you guys unionize? And I mean not that I 1:11:46.600 --> 1:11:49.280 want all the information spilled or whatever, but. 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:51.439 Saga is a union. We have a union, and it 1:11:51.600 --> 1:11:57.519 needs to be better. Women, woman's been president before. So yeah, 1:11:57.600 --> 1:11:59.760 it's not it's not it's it's it's but you know, 1:12:00.080 --> 1:12:02.719 there's just just you know, I think as we were saying, 1:12:02.720 --> 1:12:07.360 you know, it's like it's interesting, you know, having been 1:12:07.400 --> 1:12:10.320 a burne person and then last year and then getting 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:13.760 like ostracized and like a targeted and attacked for you 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:16.559 brought us Trump and don't even think about talking about 1:12:16.640 --> 1:12:19.200 DACA because you brought us Trump. And I'm like, I 1:12:19.200 --> 1:12:21.439 don't remember you being there on the streets with us 1:12:21.439 --> 1:12:24.280 when we were fighting under Obama to get DACA pasted. 1:12:25.000 --> 1:12:29.240 You know, Like, so this idea that you know now 1:12:29.280 --> 1:12:31.680 that you're angry, now that you're showing up, that that 1:12:31.760 --> 1:12:34.559 suddenly erases all of the work that other people did 1:12:35.080 --> 1:12:37.000 is crazy. But and so I get a lot of 1:12:37.000 --> 1:12:39.000 the anger from even a lot of the women who 1:12:39.000 --> 1:12:42.120 are like, what's up with this moment that everyone's capitalizing 1:12:42.160 --> 1:12:45.479 on me revealing my story that cost me work and 1:12:45.520 --> 1:12:47.439 now you guys are all going, yeah, and we're gonna 1:12:47.479 --> 1:12:48.880 raise a bunch of money and do like it's like, 1:12:49.240 --> 1:12:52.080 you know, does that without really recognized maybe how that 1:12:52.120 --> 1:12:55.200 makes them feel is going, well, I get that, and 1:12:56.439 --> 1:12:58.120 how can we fix it. How can we make it 1:12:58.160 --> 1:13:01.479 better because people are showing up. I don't know what 1:13:01.520 --> 1:13:03.600 would have happened had the election gone differently, had the 1:13:03.640 --> 1:13:05.400 primaries gone I don't who knows all those different things. 1:13:05.400 --> 1:13:07.679 But what I do know right now is that people 1:13:07.840 --> 1:13:10.759 around the world are pushing back because of Brexit, because 1:13:10.760 --> 1:13:12.760 of all of these different things that are going on 1:13:12.800 --> 1:13:16.040 around the world. We have tens of thousands, tens of millions, 1:13:16.600 --> 1:13:19.839 you know, refugees around the world, and and a female 1:13:20.000 --> 1:13:24.559 robot that just got citizenship in Saudi Arabia and know 1:13:24.840 --> 1:13:27.880 Sophia the robot, and and also as a female, while 1:13:27.880 --> 1:13:30.760 people are fighting to have their gender recognized. Like that's 1:13:30.760 --> 1:13:33.120 a really like even as we're starting to catch up 1:13:33.160 --> 1:13:36.599 on our upsets and our issues of now it's about 1:13:36.640 --> 1:13:39.519 to go down in the next few years in a really, 1:13:39.560 --> 1:13:42.719 really big way, and we're still fighting for minimum wage upens. 1:13:43.080 --> 1:13:46.519 Like there's a lot of work to wrap our heads around, 1:13:46.680 --> 1:13:50.200 and we cannot keep looking past. And I can recognize 1:13:50.200 --> 1:13:53.640 I could have absolutely been more constructive in my communication. 1:13:53.720 --> 1:13:57.360 I was very angry during the election because for me, 1:13:58.360 --> 1:14:01.040 I saw an opportunity to take money out of politics. 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:05.000 That's what it was that the corruption that exists. The 1:14:05.040 --> 1:14:06.640 only way to change it is to take money out 1:14:06.640 --> 1:14:09.559 of politics. It's the it's the it's everything, and now 1:14:09.560 --> 1:14:12.760 it's that here and now it's here. So like, how 1:14:12.760 --> 1:14:14.720 do we work together? And if you're saying you were 1:14:15.080 --> 1:14:19.320 a united, you know together, stronger together kind of person, 1:14:19.800 --> 1:14:22.080 then that's then we need to do that right now, 1:14:22.320 --> 1:14:26.040 because this is we cannot keep being divided and angry 1:14:26.120 --> 1:14:29.840 and making this blue red whatever, you're deplorable, you're you 1:14:29.840 --> 1:14:32.880 know whatever, like, we cannot keep doing that. We are 1:14:32.920 --> 1:14:35.400 we are hurting ourselves. And the reality is most of 1:14:35.479 --> 1:14:37.519 us really want to see true progress. We want to 1:14:37.560 --> 1:14:40.360 see the environment change. We want to have we want 1:14:40.400 --> 1:14:42.400 our children to have access to things that we didn't 1:14:42.439 --> 1:14:44.719 have access to, and right now they're looking at less. 1:14:45.240 --> 1:14:47.360 It looks like twenty twenty, okay, And twenty twenty is 1:14:47.400 --> 1:14:49.360 gonna be the year of fixing everything that he took 1:14:49.439 --> 1:14:50.840 us five ten years back on. 1:14:50.880 --> 1:14:54.200 And looks like as well, like the progress might. 1:14:54.880 --> 1:14:57.280 Twenty twenty, twenty twenty this midterm. 1:14:56.960 --> 1:14:59.959 Time, but the midterm time, yeah too. But when it comes. 1:14:59.720 --> 1:15:01.920 To the to start twenty eighteen, we. 1:15:01.960 --> 1:15:04.320 Got to start right now. That's the whole point. And 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:07.400 a lot of people have not paid attention to the 1:15:07.400 --> 1:15:11.000 local elections, which are where these people get their power first, 1:15:11.320 --> 1:15:13.919 and they get their relationships, and they get their networks, 1:15:13.960 --> 1:15:16.040 and they get their lobbyists, and they get their revolving 1:15:16.080 --> 1:15:18.759 door and their corporations and all this kind of stuff, 1:15:18.880 --> 1:15:22.000 and it removes them from the process. Because of all 1:15:22.000 --> 1:15:24.040 the developed countries in the world, we do not vote, 1:15:24.560 --> 1:15:26.680 we don't show up. That doesn't that doesn't exist in 1:15:26.720 --> 1:15:29.040 Australia and all these other places around world. It literally 1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:31.800 is baffling to see how many people pay attention and. 1:15:31.840 --> 1:15:33.960 Our credit is, like, we did well this this first 1:15:33.960 --> 1:15:36.080 primary that went on in New York, it went on 1:15:36.080 --> 1:15:39.559 New Jersey. Some things are changed, yes, and they're and 1:15:39.600 --> 1:15:42.080 they're continuing to do so. And that's what makes me 1:15:42.439 --> 1:15:46.080 so excited and and and and just so blown away 1:15:46.120 --> 1:15:48.680 by this moment. And I you know, and I'm and 1:15:48.720 --> 1:15:50.720 I want to keep pushing for more because I know 1:15:51.160 --> 1:15:52.799 we need it, including from myself. 1:15:52.840 --> 1:15:55.280 You know. So I took a non violent communications course 1:15:55.320 --> 1:16:00.840 and I like, well, I don't mind getting locked up 1:16:00.840 --> 1:16:02.840 for a cause. I did that for you know, democracy 1:16:02.880 --> 1:16:05.680 awakening and pushing back to get money out of politics 1:16:05.720 --> 1:16:08.800 and to you know, to overturn the overturning of the 1:16:08.880 --> 1:16:11.559 Voting Rights Act, and like those are I'm always happy 1:16:11.560 --> 1:16:15.000 to be arrested for stuff like that is still act exactly. 1:16:16.080 --> 1:16:19.559 But you know, I think that there's there's just so 1:16:19.680 --> 1:16:22.679 many I mean, like young people and like just people 1:16:22.720 --> 1:16:25.479 in general. There's just access to information that you know, 1:16:25.680 --> 1:16:27.800 that other people just did not have before. We don't 1:16:27.960 --> 1:16:31.240 need This is a leader full moment, specifically because for 1:16:31.240 --> 1:16:33.600 the first time we don't need an individual leader. We 1:16:33.640 --> 1:16:36.360 can go and go to YouTube and watch Martin Luther 1:16:36.439 --> 1:16:38.599 King speak like we don't like, we don't we're not 1:16:38.600 --> 1:16:40.439 not right now. This is the moment where no one's waiting. 1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:42.880 You don't like, there's no excuse for your saying I'm 1:16:42.920 --> 1:16:45.760 waiting for this person to you know, move me and 1:16:45.920 --> 1:16:47.400 and make me feel like I need to get off 1:16:47.560 --> 1:16:50.120 my butt and vote or register or organize or do whatever. 1:16:50.120 --> 1:16:52.720 It's like look it up on YouTube and it's and 1:16:53.080 --> 1:16:54.880 you're watching it like that in the same way there 1:16:54.880 --> 1:16:58.439 you're watching something live, so it feels the same, like 1:16:58.479 --> 1:17:01.000 a better view and it's powerful. Like you know, but 1:17:01.040 --> 1:17:03.040 we've you know, those stories have been told in a way. 1:17:03.200 --> 1:17:05.280 You know, you look at you know, the the march 1:17:05.320 --> 1:17:08.040 on Washington and everyone's black and white, and everyone's so 1:17:08.240 --> 1:17:12.120 beautiful and dressed in suits, and like, you know, and 1:17:12.120 --> 1:17:14.200 and you know, we we have a day that recognizes 1:17:14.240 --> 1:17:16.519 it that we forget what a huge act of civil 1:17:16.560 --> 1:17:19.720 disobedience that was, you know, like we forget just how 1:17:19.800 --> 1:17:22.720 dangerous that actually was, and that that's actually required to 1:17:22.760 --> 1:17:29.840 really move forward. So uh so, Luke Cage, Actually the 1:17:29.880 --> 1:17:31.559 second season is really going to be amazing. 1:17:31.640 --> 1:17:34.439 I know, I know, I got finished finished taping. 1:17:35.040 --> 1:17:37.120 Okay, you can't tell us nothing, of course not. 1:17:38.800 --> 1:17:39.400 I'm trying to go. 1:17:39.400 --> 1:17:44.479 Around when is it? When is it premiere? I don't know, 1:17:44.520 --> 1:17:46.280 actually really. 1:17:46.200 --> 1:17:48.360 Really can't tell us nothing. No, I actually really just 1:17:48.360 --> 1:17:51.200 don't know. And you're on your computer, you can look 1:17:51.200 --> 1:17:51.439 it up. 1:17:52.320 --> 1:17:54.880 Okay, powerful you know. 1:17:54.840 --> 1:17:58.120 What I mean? Like I love that show. Yeah, I mean, 1:17:58.280 --> 1:18:00.120 are good now. 1:18:00.120 --> 1:18:01.760 I was just gonna say, it's nothing like seeing a 1:18:01.840 --> 1:18:05.400 superhero and Harlem and seeing just those moments between the 1:18:05.560 --> 1:18:08.200 meth demands. It's just dope to have a hero as 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:09.800 hip hop, yeah, and. 1:18:09.920 --> 1:18:13.400 Walking around being bulletproof and the hoodie's like participate in 1:18:13.479 --> 1:18:16.840 his community and doing it for hire too, Like that's 1:18:16.880 --> 1:18:18.680 like one of the interesting things about going is like 1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:20.760 I could why don't I get paid for this, like 1:18:20.800 --> 1:18:23.280 you know what I mean? And compensation and like people 1:18:23.320 --> 1:18:25.719 who sacrifice and martyr themselves so much for the greater 1:18:25.800 --> 1:18:27.800 good and that's how we're raised to do. We forget 1:18:27.880 --> 1:18:31.240 to take care of ourselves. And it's like that. I 1:18:31.320 --> 1:18:34.320 really love that. Actually, the hero for higher kind of idea, 1:18:34.360 --> 1:18:37.200 Like that's all well and good, you can fly, but 1:18:37.320 --> 1:18:40.879 I'm down here fighting petty crimes. I ain't no Batman 1:18:41.880 --> 1:18:44.320 sitting on a bunch of millions, you know what. 1:18:44.240 --> 1:18:47.559 I mean, like CrossFit, Bill Gates and ship. 1:18:49.640 --> 1:18:53.479 Because I didn't know that. But Black Panthers the richest 1:18:53.560 --> 1:18:58.960 character makes he's a prince because because of the what 1:18:59.040 --> 1:19:03.280 you call it, got more money, the metal that they 1:19:03.280 --> 1:19:06.439 make the I think that's so human. 1:19:07.120 --> 1:19:11.880 No, I forgot the name, the fictional name of it, 1:19:11.880 --> 1:19:16.080 but it's the medal that they have in Wakanda that 1:19:16.080 --> 1:19:18.360 that's how that's where the comes from. 1:19:18.400 --> 1:19:20.080 Not diamonds but metal metal. 1:19:19.920 --> 1:19:20.479 Yet, gotcha? 1:19:20.720 --> 1:19:26.160 So yeah, I feel like by twenty twenty eight or 1:19:26.560 --> 1:19:30.200 twenty thirty two, you're probably going to run. 1:19:30.080 --> 1:19:33.639 For office hmmmm, is that what you want? I mean, 1:19:33.720 --> 1:19:37.000 it's as president? Why not? 1:19:37.800 --> 1:19:40.120 I don't know what if she wants it? But we 1:19:40.200 --> 1:19:45.400 had the governator. I'm really hoping Dwayne the Rock Johnson runs. 1:19:45.439 --> 1:19:47.240 We already have a wrestler as a governor, so why 1:19:47.320 --> 1:19:47.880 not John? 1:19:48.840 --> 1:19:53.400 Yeah, I feel like, you know, in about fifteen years, 1:19:53.439 --> 1:19:56.400 you're going to just be full time. You got to 1:19:56.479 --> 1:19:58.880 jump in the pool to clean out. Yeah, I don't 1:19:58.920 --> 1:19:59.800 really clean out this one. 1:20:00.280 --> 1:20:02.560 Would you be local? How you I would do? I 1:20:03.240 --> 1:20:07.320 want to thank you, my love, senator, like congress woman. 1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:09.400 Probably at some point, I mean down the line. If 1:20:09.439 --> 1:20:11.559 that it's something that shows up, I could see doing 1:20:11.600 --> 1:20:14.680 it right now. I'm more I'm still wanting to be 1:20:14.720 --> 1:20:17.960 in this space of storytelling and hiring and you know, 1:20:18.040 --> 1:20:20.760 working with really remarkable people and stretching myself as an 1:20:20.840 --> 1:20:24.960 artist and like maybe directing and producing and like being 1:20:25.040 --> 1:20:29.400 part of that shift of consciousness of storytelling and and 1:20:29.479 --> 1:20:33.400 who we you know, lift up in those stories. 1:20:33.600 --> 1:20:33.800 You know. 1:20:33.920 --> 1:20:36.720 I think that's really really important because the culture I 1:20:36.720 --> 1:20:39.160 think needs a dramatic shift, and that's that's a really 1:20:39.240 --> 1:20:42.120 important access point. But I could see, like when I 1:20:42.120 --> 1:20:44.639 get a little older running for the office. 1:20:45.760 --> 1:20:49.479 I'm calling it now your victory party. 1:20:50.080 --> 1:20:52.760 I am, well, you know, I gotta be you and 1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:54.320 Babito because I gotta lie right. 1:20:57.920 --> 1:21:12.040 Alternate, Fine, Okay, we're still a pop culture podcast. Yes, 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:16.720 we're serious and we're political. So just in these final minutes, 1:21:17.040 --> 1:21:18.959 just damn now, I feel. 1:21:18.760 --> 1:21:23.000 Like because has been in like two different well three 1:21:23.000 --> 1:21:25.280 different worlds for real, for real, but even on the 1:21:25.400 --> 1:21:28.160 music industry side of things, because you've had, like you said, 1:21:28.160 --> 1:21:31.839 you've had a friendship with jay Z for over two decades, 1:21:31.880 --> 1:21:33.559 the same thing with a mirror. It's been an interesting 1:21:33.640 --> 1:21:37.599 ride for you in that way as well, Prince Prince 1:21:37.680 --> 1:21:38.080 as well. 1:21:38.520 --> 1:21:41.320 So that's funny. I had a whole question, well, so. 1:21:41.439 --> 1:21:43.360 On the strength of the sexual assault though, that's kind 1:21:43.360 --> 1:21:45.000 of I was going to go back to that and say, 1:21:45.120 --> 1:21:47.519 you know, do you see the differences and how long 1:21:47.520 --> 1:21:49.759 it's going to take on that side of things versus 1:21:49.760 --> 1:21:52.840 the music part of things, like the movie versus music. 1:21:52.880 --> 1:21:58.400 You know, it's kind of like a time for the 1:21:58.479 --> 1:22:01.040 music industry, and do you see R Kelly's already getting 1:22:01.080 --> 1:22:02.479 and has been getting a lot of flak for a 1:22:02.479 --> 1:22:06.000 long time. Enough it never does anything, But I think 1:22:06.040 --> 1:22:08.559 that I mean, we're seeing it in so many different 1:22:08.560 --> 1:22:12.960 capacities because it's political, it's in the film industry, it's 1:22:13.040 --> 1:22:18.520 with farm workers, it's with you know, our TV personalities. 1:22:18.680 --> 1:22:20.080 It's like, you know, I mean, I think there's a 1:22:20.120 --> 1:22:25.080 lot of spaces that are that are now being uh 1:22:25.680 --> 1:22:28.760 you know, looked at and transformed, and so no, I 1:22:28.800 --> 1:22:30.880 don't I don't think that there's any space right now 1:22:30.920 --> 1:22:34.240 that's invulnerable to being kind of held to a different standard. 1:22:34.280 --> 1:22:36.320 So I think that's actually really important. But again, that's 1:22:36.600 --> 1:22:38.640 our media and so many other things, and you know, 1:22:38.640 --> 1:22:40.640 it's people's bread and butter. That's the reason why so 1:22:40.680 --> 1:22:42.519 many of these producers got away with this behavior for 1:22:42.560 --> 1:22:44.719 so long, because even though they make all their money 1:22:44.720 --> 1:22:46.920 from those actors and directors and all those different people, 1:22:47.560 --> 1:22:49.880 Like the producer is the one that's there for thirty years, 1:22:50.560 --> 1:22:52.759 So the agent's like going to deal with that producer 1:22:52.880 --> 1:22:55.160 knowing full well they're giving up this actress to some 1:22:55.360 --> 1:22:59.839 predator because they can replace her. That's do with the money, 1:23:00.200 --> 1:23:02.559 you know, Harry Weinstein paying for the Golden Globes for 1:23:02.600 --> 1:23:06.120 how many years, you know what I mean, and developing 1:23:06.160 --> 1:23:09.000 them specifically so that you know it was a gateway 1:23:09.040 --> 1:23:10.479 into the oscars. 1:23:10.200 --> 1:23:12.920 You know, on the flip side on the music business, 1:23:12.960 --> 1:23:14.400 which is kind of built on the backs. I mean, 1:23:14.439 --> 1:23:15.519 I think I say built on the backs, but in 1:23:15.560 --> 1:23:17.479 the last twenty thirty years, it's kind of been built 1:23:17.520 --> 1:23:19.800 on the backs of women in a way of looking 1:23:19.800 --> 1:23:22.400 at them in a certain way. To change the culture 1:23:22.400 --> 1:23:25.679 in the office when the music and the visuals saying 1:23:25.680 --> 1:23:28.320 something different, it has to kind of bring the music 1:23:28.360 --> 1:23:31.479 industry back on a little further back than the movie business. 1:23:31.479 --> 1:23:33.360 To me, Yeah, but that's why some people a chance 1:23:33.400 --> 1:23:35.680 to rapper are so provocative and interesting right now, and 1:23:35.720 --> 1:23:39.080 Princess Nokia and people who are pushing back against that. 1:23:39.080 --> 1:23:41.200 That's why. You know, there's a history in that with 1:23:41.320 --> 1:23:43.840 music for a long time. How many incredible musicians from 1:23:43.840 --> 1:23:46.599 Motown times and whatever who were not paid even though 1:23:46.600 --> 1:23:48.240 they were the amazing singers. They were the ones that 1:23:48.280 --> 1:23:50.600 got people turning on their radios and paying attention, but 1:23:50.640 --> 1:23:53.320 they didn't write the music, so they ain't get any money. 1:23:53.400 --> 1:23:55.639 And how many of them, you know, La Loupe died 1:23:55.760 --> 1:23:58.840 alone penniless, you know what I'm saying, like pennyless, Like 1:23:58.880 --> 1:24:02.080 that's not okay. And these are some of the heroines 1:24:02.080 --> 1:24:05.880 and heroes of our culture that you know, has provocatively 1:24:06.040 --> 1:24:08.840 transformed all of us, but did not get recognized at 1:24:08.840 --> 1:24:11.200 the time. So there's there's a long history of that 1:24:11.200 --> 1:24:13.240 that has existed, and I think that's a big part 1:24:13.320 --> 1:24:16.839 of it is having not you know, again, not siloing 1:24:16.880 --> 1:24:18.840 ourselves to this generation and going this is just what 1:24:18.880 --> 1:24:21.200 it looks like here, but really seeing the history there 1:24:21.240 --> 1:24:24.760 so that we can really learn from it and go 1:24:25.040 --> 1:24:27.200 no more, you know what I mean. It really it 1:24:27.280 --> 1:24:29.320 really takes that. But if you kind of keep us 1:24:29.360 --> 1:24:32.439 passing it on and accepting it and just kind of 1:24:32.439 --> 1:24:35.080 going that's just the way it is, then it'll continue 1:24:35.120 --> 1:24:35.760 to perpetuate. 1:24:35.800 --> 1:24:38.400 But prior to prior to this, to the met Too movement, 1:24:38.479 --> 1:24:43.040 were there conversations between actresses that, hey, you know, don't 1:24:43.080 --> 1:24:44.559 work with so and so, or if you work with 1:24:44.600 --> 1:24:44.960 so and. 1:24:44.880 --> 1:24:46.320 So aware. 1:24:50.400 --> 1:24:55.599 Years ago, you know what I mean. Like so, yeah, 1:24:55.640 --> 1:24:58.680 there's some of that and not as well, you know 1:24:58.680 --> 1:25:00.479 what I mean, because again we're really of kept from 1:25:00.520 --> 1:25:03.840 each other. We only see each other these awards shows oftentimes. 1:25:02.800 --> 1:25:05.799 You know, it's top of that, Like I mean, Harvey 1:25:06.000 --> 1:25:09.439 was serious with this defense system and like you thought 1:25:09.479 --> 1:25:10.639 your life was on line. 1:25:10.720 --> 1:25:12.519 So still to this day, there are a lot of 1:25:12.560 --> 1:25:15.280 people who are really scared of like you know they 1:25:15.280 --> 1:25:17.760 have you know there are people there are because of 1:25:17.800 --> 1:25:19.720 all of these stories coming out. There were people being 1:25:19.720 --> 1:25:23.479 called by fake reporters, people who have been abused or 1:25:23.560 --> 1:25:26.480 raped or attacked who were being called by fake reporters 1:25:26.520 --> 1:25:30.200 just to see just like not talk, you know what 1:25:30.200 --> 1:25:33.160 I mean, Like that's crazy, people who are being followed. 1:25:33.320 --> 1:25:37.040 H Argenta had to leave Italy. Like the idea that 1:25:37.160 --> 1:25:39.120 like this is still like just because we're in this 1:25:39.160 --> 1:25:41.479 incredible moment, like that these women who are coming forward 1:25:41.520 --> 1:25:43.960 to men who are coming forward or safe is still 1:25:43.960 --> 1:25:45.240 not I mean, we're in the thick of it. 1:25:45.400 --> 1:25:48.639 So have you prepared yourself for the Savannah Guthree moment? 1:25:48.680 --> 1:25:51.000 I like to say, because as we as more people 1:25:51.040 --> 1:25:53.639 are getting exposed, we are saying that they are closer 1:25:53.680 --> 1:25:55.960 and closer to us, or people that we might not 1:25:56.000 --> 1:25:59.960 have suspected, or just just more so eventually, if not 1:26:00.760 --> 1:26:03.640 have already happened to you, somebody clothes may be accused 1:26:03.800 --> 1:26:06.519 or you know, may have a story. 1:26:06.680 --> 1:26:07.439 How do you handle that? 1:26:07.520 --> 1:26:10.679 As Rosario, because you are such a mouthpiece for this movement. 1:26:10.840 --> 1:26:12.960 I have been on the border of Videre, which is 1:26:12.960 --> 1:26:15.920 going to be twenty next well this year, and you know, 1:26:15.960 --> 1:26:18.360 the statistic is one in three women will be rape, killed, 1:26:18.400 --> 1:26:21.160 or beaten in her lifetime. So that means you know people. 1:26:21.120 --> 1:26:22.760 But how do you deal with knowing the person who's 1:26:22.760 --> 1:26:23.800 the rapist perpetrator? 1:26:23.880 --> 1:26:28.080 Yeah, I know a lot of you perpetrators and rapists. 1:26:28.160 --> 1:26:30.519 Like that's just that's theory. I grew up around that, 1:26:30.680 --> 1:26:32.960 you know what I mean, Like, it's what I would 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:34.280 like to do is be able to get comfortable with 1:26:34.280 --> 1:26:37.200 the idea that they don't exist. But I've always suspected them, 1:26:37.680 --> 1:26:40.080 Like you know, that's the thing about trauma and abuse 1:26:40.200 --> 1:26:42.120 is that like it puts you in a position where 1:26:42.160 --> 1:26:45.320 I just especially because what do they always say when 1:26:45.320 --> 1:26:48.720 it's like the person who's raped their child or you know, 1:26:49.040 --> 1:26:51.600 blocked up some kid in a basement, they are the 1:26:51.720 --> 1:26:54.360 nicest person you never would have suspected. So even if 1:26:54.400 --> 1:26:57.400 they're nice and they're great and they seem to have 1:26:57.439 --> 1:27:00.680 a happy marriage and wonderful children, I'm still suspecting that. 1:27:00.479 --> 1:27:02.880 That's how I just grew. I grew up as an 1:27:02.920 --> 1:27:05.720 abused person. So like I you know, for me, it's 1:27:05.960 --> 1:27:08.320 you know, it's I'm I'm. It doesn't mean like I 1:27:08.320 --> 1:27:11.880 didn't know. I've worked with almost so many of the 1:27:11.920 --> 1:27:14.080 people who've already been named, and I didn't know the 1:27:14.120 --> 1:27:16.680 capacity to which a lot of them regardless of it, 1:27:16.840 --> 1:27:19.559 but I suspected them, even the ones who didn't seem 1:27:19.600 --> 1:27:22.400 skivier were like quote unquote the I just I pretty 1:27:22.479 --> 1:27:25.040 much suspect everybody because that's just most of my time 1:27:25.160 --> 1:27:27.760 is spent when I'm not working in activist circles, so 1:27:27.840 --> 1:27:31.280 I'm with women and children and men who were abused 1:27:31.280 --> 1:27:33.360 by the people who love them the most. No matter 1:27:33.360 --> 1:27:36.360 how much like I would, I would really like for 1:27:36.520 --> 1:27:39.720 me to to get to to exercise that demon for 1:27:39.840 --> 1:27:42.240 myself where I can actually just be with someone and 1:27:42.280 --> 1:27:45.000 not suspect them of something horrible, you know what I mean, 1:27:45.080 --> 1:27:48.280 Like I, you know, to just to to have that likeness, 1:27:48.320 --> 1:27:50.200 you know, to to to not have to bear that 1:27:50.240 --> 1:27:52.360 birden all the time of like having it's it is 1:27:52.400 --> 1:27:53.880 really heavy, and I know I recognize that in so 1:27:53.960 --> 1:27:56.880 many different people. And that's what's like. People want to 1:27:56.920 --> 1:27:59.439 just work. They don't want to be victims, they don't 1:27:59.439 --> 1:28:02.120 want to be so vivers. They want to just work, 1:28:02.400 --> 1:28:04.400 you know, and for some reason, these perpetrators go out 1:28:04.400 --> 1:28:06.160 there and then they kind of like lay low for 1:28:06.160 --> 1:28:07.680 a little bit and then they come right back up 1:28:07.720 --> 1:28:10.400 and make their money. But these women disappear, you know, 1:28:10.479 --> 1:28:13.000 these men disappear, and it's like that's not okay, Like 1:28:13.040 --> 1:28:15.760 that's the the whistleblowers need to be championed now, and 1:28:15.800 --> 1:28:17.800 that the conversation needs to be changed so that we 1:28:17.840 --> 1:28:20.120 can't just do really good work like one Billion Rising, 1:28:20.840 --> 1:28:22.400 which has been going on for a few years now 1:28:22.439 --> 1:28:24.840 with V Day is about celebrating the one billion women 1:28:24.840 --> 1:28:27.280 who are rape killed or beatn in our lifetime and 1:28:27.360 --> 1:28:29.439 going and the very first one was about dancing, like 1:28:29.520 --> 1:28:31.439 let's just have What would the world look like if 1:28:31.479 --> 1:28:34.479 women could go and get fetch water in Africa or 1:28:34.760 --> 1:28:39.080 go and be a you know, a waitress or change 1:28:39.200 --> 1:28:41.519 you know, change the linens in a hotel without fear 1:28:41.560 --> 1:28:44.160 of being raped. What would that look like? What art 1:28:44.160 --> 1:28:46.840 would be created? What harmony and beauty and love and 1:28:46.880 --> 1:28:49.599 celebration would we exist in vibration where we live in 1:28:49.840 --> 1:28:55.360 all the time without this understood accepted idea that we're vulnerable, Like, 1:28:55.400 --> 1:28:57.720 what would that look like, and let's show what that 1:28:57.760 --> 1:28:59.840 looks like rather than just being out there screaming like, 1:28:59.840 --> 1:29:03.080 oh we got to stop does violence. Let's dance and 1:29:03.240 --> 1:29:05.120 like transform from that way. And I think that's what's 1:29:05.160 --> 1:29:08.040 really beautiful, is like there's a lot of people were 1:29:08.040 --> 1:29:11.240 coming together because how many activists die alone, how many 1:29:11.320 --> 1:29:13.160 of them get cancer and do all these different things 1:29:13.200 --> 1:29:16.840 because they're so traumatized and they and it's horrible and 1:29:16.880 --> 1:29:19.200 it's not okay, and that needs to transform. There needs 1:29:19.200 --> 1:29:21.200 to be a lot more health. I know that for myself, 1:29:21.479 --> 1:29:23.080 how much how sick I was getting in the past 1:29:23.120 --> 1:29:25.880 couple of years, put myself in the hospital over it. 1:29:26.160 --> 1:29:29.120 You know, how many relationships and things that became really 1:29:29.120 --> 1:29:31.760 bad because I got more caustic and angry and resentful. 1:29:31.840 --> 1:29:35.800 And you know, I know, and I'm fine literally and 1:29:35.880 --> 1:29:37.639 even just the past couple of months of my learning 1:29:37.640 --> 1:29:39.519 to do that and what that truly means. And it 1:29:39.520 --> 1:29:41.639 doesn't mean that I haven't told that advice to other people, 1:29:41.880 --> 1:29:44.400 but I actually it just wasn't I didn't know how 1:29:44.400 --> 1:29:47.760 to do it. I've talked to this amazing transactivist Bambie 1:29:47.960 --> 1:29:51.880 talk about intersectionality, you know, and she was a sex worker, 1:29:52.000 --> 1:29:54.920 she's Latina, she's trans, she's I mean, so many different things. 1:29:55.280 --> 1:29:58.120 And then she's going, you know, I get a massage 1:29:58.120 --> 1:30:00.280 every two weeks, and I was like, that's that's not 1:30:00.280 --> 1:30:03.599 something to skip over. That's a really big deal. Because 1:30:03.640 --> 1:30:05.680 even with all the success and things that I've had, 1:30:05.680 --> 1:30:07.960 getting a massage, going on a nice vacation, doing anything, 1:30:08.000 --> 1:30:09.479 I had a hard time, even on social media, saying 1:30:09.479 --> 1:30:11.240 I'm doing this awesome thing because I grew up with 1:30:11.320 --> 1:30:13.040 so many people and I still know so many people, 1:30:13.040 --> 1:30:15.680 including family, that are struggling to just put food on 1:30:15.720 --> 1:30:18.200 the table. And it just I grew up with martyrs, 1:30:18.240 --> 1:30:20.760 you sacrifice, you didn't eat, shame, guilt, like you just 1:30:20.760 --> 1:30:23.360 grew up with that, and to like to be able 1:30:23.400 --> 1:30:25.400 to push bast that and just go, well, i'm getting 1:30:25.400 --> 1:30:27.400 sick all the time, I'm in pain all the time, 1:30:27.520 --> 1:30:29.479 and I do need to sleep, and I do need 1:30:29.520 --> 1:30:31.439 to eat well, and I do need to take care 1:30:31.479 --> 1:30:33.920 of myself because I can actually do all that other 1:30:33.960 --> 1:30:37.080 work better if I prioritize myself. And that's not something 1:30:37.080 --> 1:30:39.599 to feel bad about. But I didn't grow up that way. 1:30:39.880 --> 1:30:42.360 My grandmother didn't eat for you. She literally looked like mahogany. 1:30:42.360 --> 1:30:45.280 You actually would actually know that reference. I tell people 1:30:45.320 --> 1:30:46.720 do and they're like, what does that mean. I'm like, 1:30:46.960 --> 1:30:50.000 she looked emaciated for years because she all she did 1:30:50.040 --> 1:30:53.679 was drink bustello and smoke cigarettes because she had five 1:30:53.800 --> 1:30:56.120 kids and she was a single parent and she had 1:30:56.120 --> 1:30:58.400 to make sure they ate. And my mom like took 1:30:58.479 --> 1:31:00.800 years ago to realize that the reason why she likes 1:31:01.640 --> 1:31:04.800 burnt meat and like the burnt rice is because she 1:31:04.880 --> 1:31:08.439 was always fed last. Wow, even though she had four 1:31:08.479 --> 1:31:11.200 brothers and it was a matriarcha household with her mother 1:31:11.240 --> 1:31:14.000 and grandmother, they always sped themselves last because of that 1:31:14.120 --> 1:31:17.559 sort of traditional men first kind of the psychological kind 1:31:17.600 --> 1:31:20.800 of insanity that that was. So it's like that's that 1:31:20.880 --> 1:31:23.720 was passed on to me, that that that idea of behavior. 1:31:24.120 --> 1:31:25.680 And this is the first time because I don't want 1:31:25.720 --> 1:31:27.280 my daughter to sacrifice herself. 1:31:27.520 --> 1:31:29.320 How it is why Uncle Rad, I'll have to wash dishes. 1:31:29.320 --> 1:31:29.960 I don't want to stay. 1:31:30.040 --> 1:31:32.920 He just easy sits. You know, it's not my first job. 1:31:32.960 --> 1:31:35.320 Fifteen here's my money. Take it. I worked for that. 1:31:35.840 --> 1:31:38.200 That's my money. And you're a movement has to Texas 1:31:38.200 --> 1:31:41.439 almost ruin my whole last but like you know what 1:31:41.560 --> 1:31:43.280 I mean, Like it's it's it, but you just so 1:31:43.439 --> 1:31:46.920 that's what you're taught and raised. And I'm really pushing 1:31:46.920 --> 1:31:49.240 for a whole other Like it's beautiful, Like Climbing Poetry 1:31:49.360 --> 1:31:51.960 just got this incredible, huge parcel of land upstate New 1:31:52.040 --> 1:31:54.200 York and they've been working for five years with this 1:31:54.360 --> 1:31:58.360 like curriculum that they're building so people can learn about 1:31:58.400 --> 1:32:00.639 activism and advocacy and all these diferent kinds of things, 1:32:00.640 --> 1:32:02.880 but also built into it as health and wellness and 1:32:02.960 --> 1:32:06.600 care and they have spaces for our aging activists to 1:32:06.640 --> 1:32:09.280 come and live and live out their time because they 1:32:09.320 --> 1:32:13.800 recognize climbing poetry. Is it beautiful? No, I'm just gonna 1:32:13.800 --> 1:32:15.360 look it up, but I think everybody else. Yeah, And 1:32:15.400 --> 1:32:17.960 it's really like there's stuff like that that is coming 1:32:18.000 --> 1:32:20.599 up that where people are really recognizing we can't keep 1:32:20.640 --> 1:32:24.880 sacrificing and martyring ourselves, you know, for Lacausa, like we 1:32:25.000 --> 1:32:27.120 actually have to really take care of usselves. We we 1:32:27.240 --> 1:32:29.200 want to have our elders. So have a trans person 1:32:29.320 --> 1:32:32.439 be older than thirty five is a revelation to have, 1:32:32.640 --> 1:32:34.600 you know, the different activists that we have be in 1:32:34.640 --> 1:32:38.280 their eighties, like the Lord is a revelation because they 1:32:38.360 --> 1:32:39.600 don't normally. 1:32:39.200 --> 1:32:51.000 Exist, right, you know, it's a miracle. Wow, we got 1:32:51.000 --> 1:32:52.360 it earful, like. 1:33:01.840 --> 1:33:05.120 We need Like you dropped a couple of organization names 1:33:05.120 --> 1:33:06.599 and things that I feel like people need. 1:33:07.200 --> 1:33:10.559 Yeah, and also just because literally like coming here and 1:33:10.600 --> 1:33:12.640 made me again think about that dinner and like how 1:33:12.720 --> 1:33:20.439 much I've been reflecting on that lately, about like and 1:33:20.520 --> 1:33:22.519 I love how the story is so different from you, 1:33:22.600 --> 1:33:24.240 but I go back to that story all the time. 1:33:24.320 --> 1:33:26.080 I was just like walking out of there and it 1:33:26.120 --> 1:33:28.160 was the first time like I remember walking on and 1:33:28.240 --> 1:33:30.800 being like that was just abusive, that's terrible, And I 1:33:30.840 --> 1:33:34.600 was like wait what oh wow, like it like the 1:33:34.680 --> 1:33:37.000 fact that that didn't like I didn't even appre like 1:33:37.040 --> 1:33:38.920 I was like, I just accepted it, like that was 1:33:38.960 --> 1:33:41.400 just normal. Members. This was a fun night that we 1:33:41.439 --> 1:33:43.200 all had dinner and laugh like I'm talking about And 1:33:43.240 --> 1:33:45.639 then I was like, yeah, maybe everybody's showing each other's 1:33:45.640 --> 1:33:48.840 scars from being hit with a or a cast I 1:33:48.880 --> 1:33:51.839 heard pot from across the room at Charming. 1:33:55.520 --> 1:33:55.920 Yeah. 1:33:55.960 --> 1:34:00.240 Boy, okay, so uh for of course you don't don't 1:34:00.280 --> 1:34:02.080 know when season two. 1:34:01.920 --> 1:34:02.439 Is coming over. 1:34:03.080 --> 1:34:04.000 You got your computer? 1:34:04.320 --> 1:34:07.960 What else are already googled the dates? Night out there yet? Okay, 1:34:08.400 --> 1:34:10.080 I'll hit up chair. See. 1:34:10.720 --> 1:34:14.519 Uh it happens here frequently. 1:34:15.200 --> 1:34:17.000 So what do you what do you have coming up 1:34:17.040 --> 1:34:20.160 in the future as far as projects are concerned, God, 1:34:20.240 --> 1:34:22.000 damn it, there's so much we didn't asked. We didn't 1:34:22.000 --> 1:34:25.960 ask about the Prince the nineteen damn it, let's ask. 1:34:26.160 --> 1:34:27.439 My weird question was about some. 1:34:30.200 --> 1:34:35.040 Won't Yeah, wait for us to do it anyway, our 1:34:35.240 --> 1:34:37.360 rapid fire last minute questions. 1:34:38.080 --> 1:34:40.920 Uh, yeah, how did you do that? Nineteen ninety nine? Uh? 1:34:42.080 --> 1:34:43.680 The poetry thing, Well, you've done a lot, you. 1:34:43.600 --> 1:34:45.800 Did because I talked to you about it at that time. 1:34:45.880 --> 1:34:46.040 Yeah. 1:34:46.160 --> 1:34:49.200 At the time, I was like seen, I was shooting 1:34:49.280 --> 1:34:54.559 a film with Usher and Chicago, which I remember. I 1:34:54.600 --> 1:34:55.360 remember that. 1:34:55.280 --> 1:35:00.400 You probably see it. Yeah, film, I I've seen that 1:35:00.439 --> 1:35:01.840 one in the mix where he was the d J. 1:35:02.400 --> 1:35:02.640 Got that. 1:35:04.040 --> 1:35:06.600 She's all right, he was he was the DJ and 1:35:06.680 --> 1:35:10.960 she's all that. That was fucking funny though Little Kim 1:35:11.080 --> 1:35:12.519 was in that as well. She was the black she 1:35:12.560 --> 1:35:16.000 was the diversity higher Little Kim got that one. But yeah, 1:35:16.120 --> 1:35:17.640 you were Yeah, that's right. You weren't like, because that 1:35:17.680 --> 1:35:19.880 was the one where we were a cop, right or 1:35:19.880 --> 1:35:22.040 you were the girlfriend of Usher. 1:35:22.040 --> 1:35:24.559 I thought like nineteen he was okay. 1:35:24.600 --> 1:35:26.479 Again, that was the one where like his dad was 1:35:26.520 --> 1:35:28.599 a cop or was a firefighter and died. 1:35:28.760 --> 1:35:32.880 Thing of like the Canada school was homeless school. Yeah, 1:35:33.200 --> 1:35:34.680 and then they got there was a you know, the 1:35:35.160 --> 1:35:37.439 it was the like shut down the space of security guard. 1:35:37.680 --> 1:35:40.360 Fort Whittaker was the cop. That's I remember that. All 1:35:40.520 --> 1:35:41.439 all Usher moves. 1:35:41.280 --> 1:35:48.280 Ran Vanessa Williams like the principal william like, I hang 1:35:48.360 --> 1:35:50.880 on her daughter. You know you guys like lyon babe. 1:35:50.960 --> 1:35:56.760 Oh yeah, So the nineteen ninety nine they called me. 1:35:57.040 --> 1:35:59.120 He called me out of the blue and said, I wrote, 1:35:59.120 --> 1:36:02.240 I'm doing the nineteen ninety nine remix album and I 1:36:02.280 --> 1:36:05.439 want you said you're the voice of a generation, and 1:36:05.479 --> 1:36:08.479 I want you to read this poem or piece because 1:36:08.479 --> 1:36:10.000 it would sound weird if I said it, so you 1:36:10.040 --> 1:36:16.080 should read it. And I was like, huh, exactly, la la, 1:36:16.200 --> 1:36:18.519 of course that makes sense. And then you know, so 1:36:18.600 --> 1:36:19.120 I got to go. 1:36:19.080 --> 1:36:23.280 To Paisley Park and everything was pretty Did marry him 1:36:23.479 --> 1:36:24.400 a basketball player? 1:36:25.320 --> 1:36:27.160 Did not? She did? 1:36:27.840 --> 1:36:31.360 Yes, Anthony. 1:36:31.439 --> 1:36:32.720 It was a joke. I'm sorry I. 1:36:42.040 --> 1:36:48.080 Was lost in my hand, but for the last reason, 1:36:48.640 --> 1:36:53.000 give me a reason to press this button. Amazing you 1:36:53.080 --> 1:36:56.519 were in Now I'm thinking about lighting up. Now watch 1:36:57.200 --> 1:37:01.559 I might have to watch. Was there soundtrack to it? 1:37:01.600 --> 1:37:02.479 Was a usher movie? 1:37:03.040 --> 1:37:03.719 A good soundtrack? 1:37:03.760 --> 1:37:06.559 Was right? Yeah, I'm gonna tell mynother to the check 1:37:06.600 --> 1:37:10.400 double up? So yeah. Like and also with how did 1:37:10.400 --> 1:37:12.080 you get on she Lives in My Lap? 1:37:12.960 --> 1:37:15.080 That was interesting because Andre three that wasn't ask me 1:37:15.160 --> 1:37:18.040 to be in a music video for that song, and 1:37:18.120 --> 1:37:20.920 I said sure and he was like, cool, So we're 1:37:20.960 --> 1:37:23.000 still doing some stuff on the song. Do you want 1:37:23.040 --> 1:37:25.479 to come by the studio? So then I came by 1:37:25.479 --> 1:37:27.400 the studio and he was like, you know, did you 1:37:27.479 --> 1:37:29.040 jump on the track? So then I jumped on the 1:37:29.040 --> 1:37:32.519 track and then we never did the video. I'm on 1:37:32.560 --> 1:37:32.960 the track. 1:37:35.439 --> 1:37:39.080 Interesting, okay, okay, So yeah, but I was going to say, 1:37:39.080 --> 1:37:44.520 have you did you have any aspirations to. 1:37:43.200 --> 1:37:45.400 Sing and do that? Because you were also you did 1:37:45.479 --> 1:37:46.400 Shakespeare in the Park? 1:37:46.960 --> 1:37:50.800 You did which version of it? Yeah, two gentlemen of Verona. 1:37:51.520 --> 1:37:52.240 I wanted to see that. 1:37:52.320 --> 1:37:55.200 But Rent and yeah, I love singing. Actually, that's the 1:37:55.200 --> 1:37:57.880 thing I always wanted to do was sing And so 1:37:57.880 --> 1:37:59.880 when I did rent and I'm on set and I'm 1:38:00.000 --> 1:38:01.720 singing and dancing and I'm getting paid for it, I 1:38:01.760 --> 1:38:03.280 was like, this is the most remarkable thing in the 1:38:03.400 --> 1:38:05.480 entire world. I can't even believe it. This is incredible. 1:38:06.040 --> 1:38:09.320 So yeah, I still really love that. There's that's that's 1:38:09.320 --> 1:38:12.639 a that's the space where it's like, you know, part 1:38:12.640 --> 1:38:14.559 of that think part of the healing thing is just 1:38:14.640 --> 1:38:17.040 doing things that you actually love for no reason. I 1:38:17.040 --> 1:38:18.880 don't know I want to be like doing big tours 1:38:18.960 --> 1:38:20.439 or like, it's not like a career that I want 1:38:20.439 --> 1:38:23.320 to exploit that, but I just love singing, love dancing. 1:38:23.400 --> 1:38:27.920 You went to music music camp, No no, you told 1:38:27.960 --> 1:38:31.680 me wait when you did Josie and the Pussycats, like 1:38:31.720 --> 1:38:33.720 they were teaching you how to. 1:38:33.680 --> 1:38:35.560 Do play the base a little bit of electric. 1:38:35.320 --> 1:38:38.519 Bash, right, Okay, I thought they put. 1:38:38.400 --> 1:38:40.400 You through like a no, that would have been amazing, 1:38:40.439 --> 1:38:41.960 But that was one of those ones that are more 1:38:42.040 --> 1:38:44.400 like eighties movie where they were like you're cast and 1:38:44.439 --> 1:38:46.760 then here's the band that's actually going to be Now 1:38:46.800 --> 1:38:49.679 you're gonna lip sing too well. Rents was actually us singing, 1:38:49.720 --> 1:38:50.639 which was really amazing. 1:38:50.640 --> 1:38:53.680 Okay, okay, no, I not the same thing. 1:38:54.560 --> 1:38:59.040 I liked Josie because it was real and you're thinking, 1:38:59.040 --> 1:39:00.160 you're saying Josy. 1:39:02.880 --> 1:39:03.800 Ahead of its time. 1:39:04.040 --> 1:39:05.680 Did y'all see the new Josey? Y'all see what they 1:39:05.680 --> 1:39:06.639 look like on Riverdale? 1:39:06.960 --> 1:39:07.080 Hell? 1:39:07.200 --> 1:39:10.720 Yeah? Do you watch Netflix? Like, do you have every 1:39:10.760 --> 1:39:15.960 shows on Netflix? Obviously? Yes? I just finished watching Sensate 1:39:16.040 --> 1:39:19.599 that I met right every everything I want my seven 1:39:19.640 --> 1:39:22.519 other person to so mad they missed they switched to 1:39:22.560 --> 1:39:25.679 African do but yes, it's everything. I want that so bad. 1:39:25.720 --> 1:39:28.280 I heard they just made like a big special like 1:39:28.400 --> 1:39:31.639 movie whatever, so they canceled it and then but they 1:39:31.640 --> 1:39:33.479 did shoot something to kind of because it's kind of 1:39:33.520 --> 1:39:35.479 a cliffhanger that just left us song. But that is 1:39:35.560 --> 1:39:39.440 like probably one of the most interesting kind of stories 1:39:39.439 --> 1:39:41.280 that I've seen in a long time. That wasn't like 1:39:41.320 --> 1:39:43.600 a Black Mirror episode or Twilight Zone where I just 1:39:43.600 --> 1:39:47.160 got really Dugley art like it's so amazing, but like 1:39:47.240 --> 1:39:52.080 this was like really different, but like like I want that, 1:39:52.240 --> 1:39:53.240 like is that possible? 1:39:53.320 --> 1:39:56.599 Like mostly evoking like I was moved and that sex 1:39:56.600 --> 1:39:57.439 looked so amazing. 1:39:59.000 --> 1:40:02.439 See that sex where I'm like, yeah, this is just 1:40:02.560 --> 1:40:08.920 totally exploitative because it's the sexiest I mean, it's really 1:40:09.000 --> 1:40:11.040 they have an actual transactress, Like I mean, it's like 1:40:11.680 --> 1:40:14.040 so it's diverse, it takes place over different parts of 1:40:14.080 --> 1:40:17.840 the world. There's accents in different languages and and like 1:40:18.120 --> 1:40:21.880 it's it's beautiful. It's kind of sense. It is like, 1:40:21.920 --> 1:40:24.240 I think my favorite thing that's existing out there in 1:40:24.320 --> 1:40:30.559 that sense I've ever seen I sci fi kind of 1:40:30.640 --> 1:40:33.439 idea like or whatever, Like you know, it's just, you know, 1:40:33.560 --> 1:40:35.720 I think that we could tap into that part of 1:40:35.760 --> 1:40:39.439 ourselves that we could you know, psychically connected and be 1:40:39.520 --> 1:40:41.200 bonded to other people in the world, and then we 1:40:41.200 --> 1:40:43.479 could tap into them. So it's like I don't need 1:40:43.520 --> 1:40:45.120 to know kung fu or this or that, but like 1:40:45.160 --> 1:40:47.840 when I need that capacity and it really I think 1:40:47.840 --> 1:40:51.200 the message so beautifully of that is like really recognizing 1:40:51.240 --> 1:40:54.320 who you are and your value and doing that really 1:40:54.360 --> 1:40:58.439 powerfully and beautifully, and then sharing your space with the 1:40:58.479 --> 1:41:01.400 other interconnected people that you're in so that when like 1:41:01.600 --> 1:41:03.719 it doesn't matter if you can't do that thing, because 1:41:03.760 --> 1:41:04.800 you know someone who can. 1:41:05.080 --> 1:41:07.480 That Korea moment was so amazing. Like her story. 1:41:07.439 --> 1:41:09.639 The spoilers sorry, the. 1:41:09.600 --> 1:41:13.720 Story not just saying her storyline was on that it is. 1:41:13.760 --> 1:41:15.720 It's really powerful, beautiful. 1:41:22.040 --> 1:41:22.639 On the trigger. 1:41:23.960 --> 1:41:25.040 That's what happened. Nobody watched you. 1:41:25.320 --> 1:41:26.960 One question we were talking about sex scenes. 1:41:27.080 --> 1:41:29.120 A question I always had for you was about Trance, 1:41:29.640 --> 1:41:32.519 which I really loved that movie, Like I really I 1:41:32.560 --> 1:41:33.599 really enjoyed that movie. 1:41:34.200 --> 1:41:35.080 The nude scene. 1:41:35.880 --> 1:41:39.880 What is an interesting contract? Yeah, going through that my 1:41:40.560 --> 1:41:43.479 lawyer and then being like, okay, so they cannot show 1:41:43.479 --> 1:41:48.280 the literal hood, like this is a very interesting conversation. 1:41:48.400 --> 1:41:49.520 I haven't even gotten. 1:41:49.280 --> 1:41:49.920 On set yet. 1:41:51.439 --> 1:41:54.759 Yeah. No, it's uh, you know, I'm I'm all for hair. 1:41:55.080 --> 1:41:57.439 So it made me mad that like it came off 1:42:06.200 --> 1:42:08.920 y you know, so like you know that's but that's 1:42:08.920 --> 1:42:09.720 the whole thing in the movie. 1:42:09.760 --> 1:42:12.360 Yeah, and so how many times did you have to 1:42:12.400 --> 1:42:12.720 take that? 1:42:13.080 --> 1:42:15.479 And how is it you in a room full of 1:42:15.479 --> 1:42:16.920 people or what's that like? 1:42:17.439 --> 1:42:20.080 Yeah, I mean it was as many people as like 1:42:20.280 --> 1:42:22.120 barely needed to be in there, you know what I mean. 1:42:22.120 --> 1:42:23.760 It's always you know that that kind of stuff is 1:42:24.200 --> 1:42:27.360 usually done pretty well. Though it's not to say that 1:42:27.439 --> 1:42:30.679 you know, on many different sets, many different people including myself, 1:42:30.800 --> 1:42:33.920 or not taking advantage of like changes on the day 1:42:34.000 --> 1:42:36.760 that are actually illegal, but some oftentimes we don't know. 1:42:38.760 --> 1:42:41.040 H So you know, that's that's some of the interesting 1:42:41.080 --> 1:42:42.920 things about sitting down with Sag of just going, well, 1:42:42.920 --> 1:42:44.160 we need to have this on the books, and like 1:42:44.200 --> 1:42:46.599 that does exist, and you're like, we don't know that 1:42:46.800 --> 1:42:51.200 the novice actress or actor going on set does not 1:42:51.479 --> 1:42:53.160 know that they have this right or not. You know, 1:42:54.280 --> 1:42:56.400 but yeah, no on that one, I mean, it's it's 1:42:56.520 --> 1:42:59.400 I mean, that was definitely one of the most remarkable 1:42:59.400 --> 1:43:02.240 experiences I'd ever had, you know, when you think about 1:43:02.320 --> 1:43:04.559 Danny and the work that he's done, like going back 1:43:04.600 --> 1:43:07.120 to kids, like that was an amazing moment for Robert 1:43:07.360 --> 1:43:10.280 and Danny, and like there was just a group of 1:43:10.360 --> 1:43:13.799 like that that was the a era of independent film 1:43:13.960 --> 1:43:17.960 and like this complete provocation of storytelling that hadn't existed before, 1:43:18.040 --> 1:43:20.160 and that definitely was built off the backs of people 1:43:20.200 --> 1:43:21.840 like you know, Cassavetti's and all that kind of stuff. 1:43:21.840 --> 1:43:25.960 But like it was a huge turning for you know, filmmaking. 1:43:26.080 --> 1:43:28.120 And I got to work with that person. Wow, And 1:43:28.200 --> 1:43:29.519 like you know in the and I've gotten to work 1:43:29.520 --> 1:43:31.120 with a lot of those people, you know, so it's 1:43:31.120 --> 1:43:33.360 like everyone to Kevin Smith. You know, like, so you're 1:43:33.400 --> 1:43:37.839 on set with these folks who have really totally different 1:43:38.040 --> 1:43:40.519 kind of you know, like who came there as like 1:43:40.720 --> 1:43:43.960 nerds and like film lovers and like you know, really 1:43:44.080 --> 1:43:46.240 changed storytelling in a lot of ways. And so you're 1:43:46.280 --> 1:43:48.280 on set with Spiker this you know, like I got 1:43:48.280 --> 1:43:50.600 to be on these sets with people who were you know, 1:43:50.720 --> 1:43:54.200 really created an environment where you're showing up and you're 1:43:54.200 --> 1:43:58.400 rehearsing and you're taking it super seriously, like and they're 1:43:58.439 --> 1:44:00.880 established and they've done something. So it's not the same 1:44:00.880 --> 1:44:02.599 thing as like a lot of you know, first time 1:44:02.600 --> 1:44:04.160 directors or the things that I've worked with, which is 1:44:04.360 --> 1:44:07.200 a whole other experiences was really powerful and you know, 1:44:07.760 --> 1:44:10.360 pushes you to and challenges you in different ways. But 1:44:10.439 --> 1:44:13.000 this one is like, you know, these are people who 1:44:13.240 --> 1:44:14.760 you know, can say we're going to have a couple 1:44:14.800 --> 1:44:16.559 of weeks of rehearsal and we're going to do this 1:44:16.720 --> 1:44:18.679 and this is what we you know, and like get 1:44:18.720 --> 1:44:23.040 like incredibly, you know, I'm on on you know, on 1:44:23.040 --> 1:44:26.639 on twenty fifth hour Man with some of the most 1:44:26.680 --> 1:44:31.439 amazing actors and like people and their process so different 1:44:31.560 --> 1:44:34.880 and like that's you know, that's been my acting school. 1:44:35.000 --> 1:44:37.679 I've learned so much from so many of the people 1:44:37.720 --> 1:44:39.400 that I've had the opportunity to work with. 1:44:39.479 --> 1:44:42.080 So a question about twenty fifth hour. I need to 1:44:42.120 --> 1:44:43.840 know the part where you're on the couch and you're 1:44:43.840 --> 1:44:44.719 eating cheese whiz. 1:44:44.880 --> 1:44:45.760 Was that scripted or. 1:44:45.960 --> 1:44:47.600 Honey cheese with Was it? 1:44:48.280 --> 1:44:48.880 Was it. 1:44:50.560 --> 1:44:50.840 Whizz? 1:44:51.560 --> 1:44:53.720 I think she would know. No, no, no, I'm trying 1:44:53.720 --> 1:44:54.200 to remember. 1:44:54.560 --> 1:44:58.320 Was it was the Maybe it looked like the container 1:44:59.000 --> 1:45:00.760 was cheese whiz. It might have been honey in it, 1:45:01.240 --> 1:45:03.120 but I can specifically remember it was. 1:45:03.520 --> 1:45:04.799 I thought it was cheese whiz. 1:45:06.320 --> 1:45:07.679 An important moment in that movie. 1:45:07.760 --> 1:45:08.880 It's very important. 1:45:09.240 --> 1:45:11.000 I mean, whether it's a cheese wiz or honey. 1:45:11.000 --> 1:45:16.760 Well, no, no, Well, this is why all these years 1:45:16.800 --> 1:45:19.719 I thought the ship was All these. 1:45:19.680 --> 1:45:22.559 Years I thought you had actually you met home where 1:45:22.600 --> 1:45:29.920 recently I saw one of your story, Yes, I thought. 1:45:30.160 --> 1:45:31.439 Yeah, he was, he wasn't. 1:45:31.800 --> 1:45:33.479 All these years I thought it was cheese whiz, and 1:45:33.520 --> 1:45:36.519 I thought it was a great detail because I thought. 1:45:37.479 --> 1:45:38.679 I've seen the movie in a long time. 1:45:38.800 --> 1:45:42.679 I'm pretty sure. But I love the fact that was honey. 1:45:42.720 --> 1:45:46.080 And if it's not, it was. But I'm pretty. 1:45:46.439 --> 1:45:50.479 Random detail of yo. But that's the type of duty is. 1:45:50.680 --> 1:45:51.599 I love it like. 1:45:51.640 --> 1:45:54.439 No, because what it resonated me, like the message that 1:45:54.520 --> 1:45:56.679 I took from it or that the time was that 1:45:57.160 --> 1:45:59.519 you can have like a woman that's like as fine 1:45:59.560 --> 1:46:02.080 as your dawson, but she cheese was out the jaw 1:46:03.040 --> 1:46:08.760 and she can steal something disgusting like that. 1:46:09.320 --> 1:46:10.160 That ship is horrible. 1:46:10.240 --> 1:46:10.799 It is horrible. 1:46:12.680 --> 1:46:14.760 Jesuis is not a food like that ship is a 1:46:14.840 --> 1:46:15.840 that's a let feeling. 1:46:15.920 --> 1:46:18.920 Man, No, I hear you. Yeah, y'all got that. But 1:46:19.439 --> 1:46:20.880 I thought it was I thought it was cheese was 1:46:20.880 --> 1:46:22.840 all these years amazing? But I thought that was just 1:46:22.840 --> 1:46:24.800 a great to go back. I'm pretty sure it was 1:46:26.040 --> 1:46:27.240 now i'm watching today. 1:46:27.800 --> 1:46:30.680 Maybe maybe peanut butter, but I can't imagine it was. 1:46:31.120 --> 1:46:35.240 Okay, So yeah, I are you singing fame right now? 1:46:35.479 --> 1:46:38.280 Singing peanut butter, jelly Pi, That's what I thought. 1:46:39.439 --> 1:46:40.479 Singing a song from fame. 1:46:40.800 --> 1:46:43.200 As far as your your your acting career or your 1:46:43.360 --> 1:46:47.040 entertainment career, like, are there anything? Are there anything? Is 1:46:47.080 --> 1:46:51.040 there anything left that you've yet to conquered that you 1:46:51.320 --> 1:46:51.840 wish to do? 1:46:52.479 --> 1:47:03.160 I always film or behaving chest of Corset drama, heaving, heaving, chests. Yo, 1:47:03.240 --> 1:47:05.240 that's so funny because it's a classic piece of every 1:47:05.800 --> 1:47:08.280 I want to do some really dope, like fun comedy 1:47:08.320 --> 1:47:10.040 stuff as well. Like I really love that I got 1:47:10.080 --> 1:47:11.600 to do that with Top five, and I've had some 1:47:11.760 --> 1:47:14.600 opportunities and stuff like that, but like you know, like 1:47:14.760 --> 1:47:17.880 I love I love that world. It's such a different 1:47:17.920 --> 1:47:20.439 timing and energy and kind of pushing myself in that way. 1:47:20.320 --> 1:47:20.800 You do that. 1:47:21.320 --> 1:47:25.400 I love, I love top Did you already have your 1:47:25.439 --> 1:47:26.000 haircut like that? 1:47:26.200 --> 1:47:26.600 Or was it. 1:47:28.439 --> 1:47:30.200 Was like, I'm not one of the things. I was like, 1:47:30.280 --> 1:47:31.920 I am not as New York is gonna be one 1:47:31.960 --> 1:47:33.760 hundred and eight degrees, I am not wearing a wig. 1:47:33.800 --> 1:47:37.800 I will be miserable you and he was like, if 1:47:37.880 --> 1:47:39.800 you do this movie, I will be fine with your 1:47:39.840 --> 1:47:41.880 hair like that. And then it was interesting. I remember 1:47:41.920 --> 1:47:43.040 I had wanted to cut my hair like that for 1:47:43.080 --> 1:47:46.080 a really long time, and then I ended up doing 1:47:46.120 --> 1:47:49.760 it for Sin City two and then thinking this is 1:47:49.800 --> 1:47:51.240 going to cost me a lot of work, and then 1:47:51.280 --> 1:47:54.120 I ended up being able to wear it in Top 1:47:54.200 --> 1:47:58.519 five and in dareduble Oow. It was a whole big 1:47:58.600 --> 1:48:00.840 thing with Marvel for a really really long time about 1:48:00.880 --> 1:48:03.240 what to do with my hair And then they were 1:48:03.280 --> 1:48:05.519 like who cares? And I was really surprised. And then 1:48:05.520 --> 1:48:07.160 I realized how dark they were shooting it and you 1:48:07.200 --> 1:48:08.000 don't even notice it. 1:48:08.439 --> 1:48:10.920 That's something I've never even thought about, Like you do 1:48:11.000 --> 1:48:13.040 you have to warn your agent like I think I 1:48:13.120 --> 1:48:14.880 want to go blind today or oh yeah. 1:48:14.880 --> 1:48:16.680 They were like everyone was freaked out because it's like, 1:48:16.800 --> 1:48:19.880 you know, I you know Sin City two. I think 1:48:19.960 --> 1:48:21.560 I shot like three days on. 1:48:21.840 --> 1:48:22.519 They were like, you're. 1:48:22.400 --> 1:48:25.519 Cutting or shaping your head for three days? Do you 1:48:25.560 --> 1:48:27.880 know how long that's gonna take to How long is it? 1:48:28.960 --> 1:48:31.240 But you can't fake that? Like it's gotta wanted to 1:48:31.280 --> 1:48:32.880 show up and do something fun for the movie? 1:48:33.160 --> 1:48:34.840 How long does it take to grow back to it. 1:48:34.840 --> 1:48:36.720 Actually grew for me. My hair grows really fast, so 1:48:36.800 --> 1:48:38.840 it was like another in like a year, my hair 1:48:39.000 --> 1:48:40.120 was already half. 1:48:39.960 --> 1:48:42.320 As long as a black girl. That's gonna take another 1:48:42.360 --> 1:48:43.639 ten years they come back. 1:48:48.160 --> 1:48:50.040 All right? So you want to do a comedy and 1:48:50.120 --> 1:48:52.280 an a period piece with I want. 1:48:52.160 --> 1:48:54.639 To produce more. I want to tell stories that I'm 1:48:54.640 --> 1:48:55.840 not necessarily acting in. 1:48:56.000 --> 1:48:57.439 What is the story you want to make? 1:48:57.600 --> 1:49:01.160 First? I am telling you, Okay, let somebody else it. 1:49:01.600 --> 1:49:02.640 Yeah, that's just. 1:49:02.920 --> 1:49:04.360 Totally the way that it is. But I have like 1:49:04.800 --> 1:49:06.960 shows that I want to create and and and all 1:49:07.000 --> 1:49:09.960 types of things. I think it's just really important because again, 1:49:10.600 --> 1:49:13.080 like to see the movies and the reflection of the 1:49:13.120 --> 1:49:15.280 type of storytelling and the casting that I want to see, 1:49:15.320 --> 1:49:17.240 and to just wait around for someone else to put 1:49:17.320 --> 1:49:20.519 that together not gonna happen. So like you have to 1:49:20.560 --> 1:49:22.320 make it happen. And that's what I really want to do. 1:49:23.520 --> 1:49:27.719 We're power to you. Thanks from your enough to your ears. 1:49:28.000 --> 1:49:29.920 When I call you for that soundtrack. 1:49:33.280 --> 1:49:37.040 That I just want to, I just want to. 1:49:40.160 --> 1:49:43.000 I know you long since passed the balking out of Ford. 1:49:44.360 --> 1:49:50.639 I just want to j K. T. Raley on Black Streets. 1:49:54.439 --> 1:49:56.639 I just want to tell you again, going back to Trance, 1:49:56.760 --> 1:49:59.719 you set a line in there that like really changed 1:49:59.720 --> 1:50:00.000 my life. 1:50:00.479 --> 1:50:07.000 I'm serious, man, it's real ship to be angry, it 1:50:07.040 --> 1:50:07.840 is to be a victim. 1:50:08.520 --> 1:50:11.920 And like that totally changed my outlook on like the 1:50:12.000 --> 1:50:13.600 way I look at anger, like we never have to 1:50:13.600 --> 1:50:14.599 pull myself getting angry. 1:50:14.800 --> 1:50:16.720 I think myself, like, am I really victim and the ship? No? 1:50:16.720 --> 1:50:17.360 I ain't no victim? 1:50:17.640 --> 1:50:24.000 That well, Marvin said that best you know, destroy yourself, 1:50:24.320 --> 1:50:41.679 you children for rage. Okay, so I'm just I'm taking 1:50:42.840 --> 1:50:44.560 it's a sin to treat your body bad. Yeah, I 1:50:44.840 --> 1:50:47.479 I really I've been listening to that song and I 1:50:47.600 --> 1:50:52.679 said those lines, and I still succumbed to the devil 1:50:52.720 --> 1:50:56.960 of anger really, really fiercely these past couple of years. 1:50:57.000 --> 1:50:58.960 And I think it's just because I did not actually 1:50:59.080 --> 1:51:03.120 really have the access or words to really understand the 1:51:03.200 --> 1:51:04.600 space that I was in and what I needed to 1:51:04.640 --> 1:51:08.160 do to meet my needs so that that wouldn't happen. 1:51:08.280 --> 1:51:09.080 Do you go to therapy? 1:51:10.240 --> 1:51:13.439 I've taken some, and but really I have to say 1:51:13.479 --> 1:51:17.200 the Non Violent Communications book that exists has been really 1:51:17.240 --> 1:51:22.360 powerful to recognize what are faux feelings like disrespect, Like 1:51:22.439 --> 1:51:25.000 you can't feel disrespect, you can feel anger because your 1:51:25.160 --> 1:51:28.040 need for respect is not getting met, and like those 1:51:28.080 --> 1:51:30.519 are different things. So, like, you know, it's not about 1:51:30.560 --> 1:51:32.360 blame or judgment. The only thing that's kind of hokey 1:51:32.400 --> 1:51:34.840 about it is like they have they say it's either 1:51:34.920 --> 1:51:39.240 jackal speak or giraffes speak. So internally your inner critic, 1:51:39.400 --> 1:51:42.560 or how you yell at someone else, or how you 1:51:42.840 --> 1:51:45.240 self empathize, you give other empathy jackals because you know 1:51:45.320 --> 1:51:47.800 the spitting, biting are and then the giraffe because they 1:51:47.840 --> 1:51:50.720 have perspective and they have one of the largest hearts 1:51:50.760 --> 1:51:53.320 in the animal kingdom to reach all of those extremities. 1:51:54.160 --> 1:51:57.519 But otherwise, it's about needs and really recognizing what true 1:51:57.600 --> 1:52:00.479 needs are, like for respect and community. And it goes 1:52:00.520 --> 1:52:03.080 beyond for me what I was taught survival, especially growing 1:52:03.160 --> 1:52:06.280 up in a spot. It's about food, water, sheltering, but 1:52:06.479 --> 1:52:12.799 like love, friendship, shared reality, connection, community, compassion, those are needs. 1:52:13.040 --> 1:52:15.960 Like a child will die if it's not touched, you know, 1:52:16.080 --> 1:52:18.960 it needs. We need each other, and those are the 1:52:19.040 --> 1:52:21.479 things that I've always forfeited for these strategies, and I 1:52:21.560 --> 1:52:25.439 finally learned that I need to warn when something's not 1:52:25.479 --> 1:52:27.640 getting met, not just keep bashing my head at it 1:52:27.800 --> 1:52:29.559 and trying to make it or force it to happen, 1:52:29.680 --> 1:52:32.160 or sacrifice to make it happen. It's about going, Okay, 1:52:32.760 --> 1:52:35.519 the strategy isn't working, and I have to figure out 1:52:35.520 --> 1:52:38.439 another avenue to get my need men. And that's that's 1:52:38.560 --> 1:52:40.639 something I've just picked up in the past couple months, 1:52:40.680 --> 1:52:45.439 which has been really life changing. Thank you for nonviolent 1:52:45.479 --> 1:52:48.920 Communication by Marshall Rosenberg, who died unfortunately, but he would. 1:52:49.000 --> 1:52:53.519 Do you know conflict resolution? I mean like you're talking 1:52:53.520 --> 1:52:57.320 about with like tribes that had been generationally fighting each 1:52:57.360 --> 1:52:58.760 other and you killed my son, so I killed your 1:52:58.800 --> 1:53:00.200 son and being able to sit there and go, Can 1:53:00.240 --> 1:53:02.599 you at least both agree that your need for safety 1:53:02.720 --> 1:53:05.519 is not being met, which is why then you're being 1:53:05.600 --> 1:53:08.559 violent with each other. Can we just agree and then 1:53:08.960 --> 1:53:11.240 just to that so that we could see each other 1:53:11.320 --> 1:53:13.639 as our humanity and we can figure out a way 1:53:13.680 --> 1:53:16.160 to communicate and negotiate for both of our needs to 1:53:16.240 --> 1:53:19.519 be met rather than just beating each other and fighting 1:53:19.560 --> 1:53:22.600 each other indefinitely. And there is an audio book, So 1:53:22.760 --> 1:53:26.439 thank you for You're very welcome. Wow, man, that the 1:53:26.560 --> 1:53:31.559 more you know and knowing us at the battle, Jeffrey 1:53:31.720 --> 1:53:32.320 aid Joe. 1:53:32.640 --> 1:53:34.479 All right, So any more questions about. 1:53:36.200 --> 1:53:45.960 Isaac Joe Jeffrey is Yeah, Joe was Jeffrey Isaac Joe? 1:53:46.280 --> 1:53:46.719 He wasn't. 1:53:50.800 --> 1:54:00.360 Did you know that gullible isn't in the dictionary? Family? 1:54:00.400 --> 1:54:08.320 Now, wait a minute, before we signed off, this one 1:54:08.439 --> 1:54:13.160 question I have to ask, how in God's name did 1:54:13.240 --> 1:54:17.360 you get pre we're going to play nice and friendly 1:54:17.439 --> 1:54:17.880 with each other? 1:54:17.960 --> 1:54:18.759 Guns and roses? 1:54:19.439 --> 1:54:22.799 How did you get them motherfuckers to play your birthday 1:54:22.840 --> 1:54:25.880 party at that club. 1:54:26.920 --> 1:54:30.800 Like Axel Axel, Yeah, and it was incredible, like for 1:54:30.920 --> 1:54:33.440 your thirtieth absolutely no, it was like twenty seventh or 1:54:33.440 --> 1:54:34.040 twenty eighth. 1:54:33.920 --> 1:54:35.360 Birthday because your mom hit me up. 1:54:35.440 --> 1:54:37.880 It was like something the Roses going to play at 1:54:37.920 --> 1:54:39.240 the at the and I was like, wait, the club 1:54:39.360 --> 1:54:42.240 only holds, like I know, it was really several hundred. 1:54:42.320 --> 1:54:45.360 I was like, I think about this something. I think 1:54:45.400 --> 1:54:48.080 a fight happened between Tommy he Will figure and some 1:54:48.960 --> 1:54:49.520 and they. 1:54:49.440 --> 1:54:54.720 Were sat at the same booth and like Tommy's girlfriends 1:54:54.880 --> 1:54:58.680 got like offended because I think Axel sat down and 1:54:59.080 --> 1:55:01.600 moved her drink or whatever, and Tommy like leapt over 1:55:01.680 --> 1:55:03.840 the table. Mom mom was standing there and watching. She 1:55:04.040 --> 1:55:05.680 was like, yo, he tried to eat Axel. 1:55:05.840 --> 1:55:08.440 Rose would have. 1:55:08.480 --> 1:55:10.080 Never thought that for him. 1:55:10.120 --> 1:55:12.800 And then and then the security threw him out because 1:55:12.800 --> 1:55:14.520 it was like, sorry to break it to you, but 1:55:14.600 --> 1:55:17.400 this is Axel's night, like he's gonna perform, and it 1:55:17.520 --> 1:55:19.680 was amazing because I remember we asked and then of 1:55:19.760 --> 1:55:22.320 course he said no because it was it would be 1:55:22.320 --> 1:55:25.080 an acoustic performance and he'd never done an acoustic performance 1:55:25.600 --> 1:55:27.879 and then he came back and was like, you know what, Actually, 1:55:28.840 --> 1:55:31.320 I've never done an acoustic performance. That would be really cool. 1:55:31.520 --> 1:55:34.800 And it was his idea to put the lyrics of 1:55:34.920 --> 1:55:38.880 his music like karaoke styles scrolling in the back because 1:55:38.880 --> 1:55:41.280 he didn't go on until super late, and he knew 1:55:41.280 --> 1:55:45.760 everyone was gonna be really drunk, stupidly horribly inefficiently screaming 1:55:45.880 --> 1:55:48.040 the lyrics into his face and it's so small, they 1:55:48.080 --> 1:55:49.640 would all be like right on top of each other. 1:55:49.760 --> 1:55:51.440 He was like, I am not going to painfully go 1:55:51.560 --> 1:55:54.760 through that. And then it was like he dedicated. He 1:55:54.880 --> 1:55:58.840 sang to me, he's saying happy birthday. He dedicated sweet 1:55:58.920 --> 1:56:00.600 Childmund to me in November. 1:56:01.760 --> 1:56:04.640 I mean, it was like, amazing, I'm gonna ask again. 1:56:05.920 --> 1:56:08.720 My friend Jamison was had they were doing something in town. 1:56:08.800 --> 1:56:10.440 He was like, should I ask? And I was like yeah, 1:56:11.120 --> 1:56:13.680 And then I guess he was just the timing. He 1:56:13.880 --> 1:56:17.880 just thought, and he came out and he was and 1:56:18.000 --> 1:56:33.240 he was corn roll. That was amazing. That was like 1:56:33.440 --> 1:56:35.120 childhood like amazing. 1:56:35.720 --> 1:56:40.720 Oh boy, yeah, I couldn't believe that happened that night. 1:56:42.040 --> 1:56:43.080 I love you, this is fun. 1:56:43.360 --> 1:56:47.360 Well, I need you to throw parties from me nobody 1:56:47.400 --> 1:56:47.680 will come. 1:56:47.760 --> 1:56:50.160 You got a couple months. I'm inviting you. You need 1:56:50.240 --> 1:56:52.280 to come through when we yo. So I have a 1:56:52.320 --> 1:56:55.600 fashion line based in Ghana. We're across we do all 1:56:55.600 --> 1:56:57.480 our teasonal stuff and we've been doing this for a 1:56:57.520 --> 1:56:59.920 few years now and we just did an awesome fashion 1:57:00.080 --> 1:57:03.040 show in September in New York and it was incredible. 1:57:03.080 --> 1:57:06.240 One of my friends invited Paula Aduwel and it was 1:57:06.440 --> 1:57:08.440 like incredible. Jojo Abbott performed I. 1:57:11.400 --> 1:57:11.520 May. 1:57:12.480 --> 1:57:15.080 It's called Studio one eighty nine. And our whole thing 1:57:15.160 --> 1:57:18.880 is fashion Rising, so going and getting people work so 1:57:18.960 --> 1:57:20.600 that then they can put their own kids through school, 1:57:20.640 --> 1:57:25.840 so it's sustainable, you know, activism and advocacy, and it's 1:57:25.840 --> 1:57:27.520 been amazing. We're based in a crowd. We have a 1:57:27.560 --> 1:57:31.200 store in New York and Elizabeth Street and between Houston 1:57:31.240 --> 1:57:34.240 and Bleeker and we do men's and women's and home 1:57:34.400 --> 1:57:38.720 and indigo and bautique and it's really beautiful. And someone 1:57:38.880 --> 1:57:43.320 invited Paula Abdul and our whole like fashion show is 1:57:43.400 --> 1:57:46.720 like a dance party. It was incredible and like everyone 1:57:46.800 --> 1:57:49.040 like Jesse Boykin's at Third was in it. And we've 1:57:49.120 --> 1:57:51.840 had like Delphine Diala's taken photographs for us and like 1:57:51.920 --> 1:57:54.000 Lion Babe is shown. I mean, we've had like incredible 1:57:54.000 --> 1:57:56.280 people who are you know, young Paris and people over 1:57:56.320 --> 1:57:58.480 the years. Princess Nokia just came to our spot in 1:57:58.800 --> 1:58:02.240 in in a larda and I came through. Most has 1:58:02.280 --> 1:58:04.640 come through and like thrown on some of our you know, 1:58:05.160 --> 1:58:07.280 indigo kimonos and stuff and that's really dope. But like 1:58:08.120 --> 1:58:09.600 you know, I want you to come because I think 1:58:09.640 --> 1:58:13.320 you'd really love it. And it was amazing because we 1:58:13.400 --> 1:58:15.360 had this dance party and then Paul Abdul was there 1:58:15.360 --> 1:58:16.920 and she started dancing with me and I was like, 1:58:17.160 --> 1:58:20.480 oh my god, who would have known I needed to 1:58:20.600 --> 1:58:26.320 create an artisanal African clothing brands and got to live 1:58:26.320 --> 1:58:35.720 about my childhood dream of dancing with these clothes. 1:58:35.760 --> 1:58:36.280 Are amazing. 1:58:36.560 --> 1:58:39.840 Thank you, Brima, I will tell her Brima you said 1:58:39.880 --> 1:58:40.960 some Okay. 1:58:40.880 --> 1:58:43.800 Well, thank you very much of Rosario for coming on Seal. 1:58:45.200 --> 1:58:45.920 We appreciate it. 1:58:47.360 --> 1:58:51.040 We learned a lot, and I still say a lot 1:58:51.080 --> 1:58:53.720 to think about. I still say that you're running for president? 1:58:54.760 --> 1:58:57.120 I would I really the idea of being president is 1:58:57.440 --> 1:59:00.480 so scary to me because the second art work. You've 1:59:00.480 --> 1:59:04.000 got let on your hands the second you start as 1:59:04.040 --> 1:59:07.000 a senator or congress person, though, I could be start 1:59:07.120 --> 1:59:10.560 fighting from day one because war is not peace, so 1:59:10.680 --> 1:59:12.960 I could be fighting against having that. So that's why 1:59:13.000 --> 1:59:13.840 that looks interesting to me. 1:59:13.920 --> 1:59:19.720 Okay, congress Woman Dawson, Senator Dawson, Senator Dawson, and uh 1:59:20.520 --> 1:59:21.480 DJ and that after. 1:59:21.360 --> 1:59:24.400 Party, that's the first one to be DJ wika DJ. 1:59:24.520 --> 1:59:25.280 Senator Dawson. 1:59:25.400 --> 1:59:27.360 I want to be like a hype woman. Yeah, y'all. 1:59:28.560 --> 1:59:36.960 Anyway, after party, anyway on behalf of Fonticolo, Boss Bill Sugar, 1:59:37.000 --> 1:59:38.840 Steve sweet Feet and. 1:59:42.960 --> 1:59:46.400 Thank you Rizario quest Love signing off and we'll see 1:59:46.400 --> 1:59:47.600 you in the next Cora. Thank you. 1:59:50.640 --> 1:59:54.839 West Love Supreme is a production iHeartRadio. This classic episode 1:59:54.960 --> 2:00:00.960 was produced by the team at Pandora. For more podcasts 2:00:00.960 --> 2:00:05.320 from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 2:00:05.360 --> 2:00:06.680 you listen to your favorite shows.