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Speaker 1: Courst Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and Gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: This is Quest Love and you're listening at a QLs classic.

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Speaker 3: This is from February seventy twenty and eighteen. We talked

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Speaker 3: to our friend Rosario Dawson about our acting career and

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Speaker 3: her political activism. We did this in Los Angeles at

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Speaker 3: Sunset Sound Studios, where a lot of nineteen ninety nine

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Speaker 3: and Purple Rain was reported. So, yeah, it would be

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Speaker 3: a good time to do it back with our friend

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Speaker 3: Zorio Dawson.

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Speaker 2: Courst Love Supreme Classic. Here we go, sun Sure all

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Speaker 2: Supreme self, bream up self. She's always in my hair. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: she's always on my back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she's uh whatever.

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Speaker 2: My name is Fante.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do not beg Yeah, Zarios and kids, I

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Speaker 5: have no legs.

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Speaker 6: I hate road.

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Speaker 7: My name is Sugar.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And I'm unstoppable. Yeah, just like that train.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and unstoppable going off already for the worse in

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Speaker 2: l A.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the scenario. Yeah, and it's time Yeah.

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Speaker 2: To interview Rosario. Bring my Road, bring my role.

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Speaker 6: It's like yeah with the original.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, my rights yeah, An, let's good in the shower,

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Speaker 8: supre My roll.

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Speaker 6: Roll and Sea down Avenue X. That's why I flex

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Speaker 6: Brooklyn in the house like Mickey Mouse.

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Speaker 9: Supra roll Call, Supra Selpreing roll Call, Supremo Sun Sun

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Speaker 9: sup Breing my rod Caremon sure roll.

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Speaker 2: I seen you sweet feet shower.

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Speaker 6: She's smart and sexy.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, this took me back to like high school

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Speaker 6: because it was like we go out like I used

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Speaker 6: to hear that all the time. I didn't have my

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Speaker 6: like Laisha. There used to be a couple of songs

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Speaker 6: and I.

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Speaker 2: Was like that kind of rocks.

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Speaker 6: So thanks y'all, Thank you the kids.

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Speaker 8: One.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I don't know if y'all take urm.

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Speaker 2: Clearly I hate you.

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Speaker 6: I was going to make like everything.

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Speaker 2: Did you know how fa You knew instantly that was

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Speaker 2: gonna be your Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You was that quiet. You was too

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Speaker 5: quiet in the corner.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what you know?

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Speaker 5: As soon as we found we were gonna have her.

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Speaker 5: That was my first one. It was either that one.

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Speaker 5: It was going to be a twenty five hour reference

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Speaker 5: because that's like probably one of my favorite movies of yours.

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Speaker 5: I really loved your performance in that crazy how.

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Speaker 6: Many written on your arm? I think it's Harmony's birthday

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Speaker 6: to day or it was just Yester something like that.

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Speaker 6: Actually now yeah, yeah many.

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Speaker 5: Actually k okay, I just want to make sure I

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Speaker 5: wasn't saying it wrong for the last fifteen whatever.

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Speaker 2: You let me let the audience.

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Speaker 6: In three years.

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Speaker 2: Wait, ladies and.

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Speaker 4: Gentlemen, welcome, welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: Of course Love here with teams Supreme.

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Speaker 4: It's like you Sugar Steve and Boss Bill and Fantigelo

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Speaker 4: uh and today we have a good friend.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have what's up? What's up? Roario?

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Speaker 4: We have actress, producer and director and singer in philanthropists

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Speaker 4: and and political activists and humanitarian and and Newava New Yorker,

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Speaker 4: New Way yorka a new way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that.

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Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Rosario Dawson. Thank you for

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Speaker 4: coming through. This is a very last minute request, but

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Speaker 4: you came through. I appreciate it anytime.

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Speaker 6: Bo love you.

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Speaker 2: Where are you from in California?

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Speaker 6: I'm not from in California.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean you're here lot though.

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Speaker 6: Yeah I live here now. Yeah, okay, I'm from Brooklyn.

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Speaker 6: I'm raised in the Lower East.

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Speaker 4: But are you from New York the way that I'm

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Speaker 6: What does that mean? No, I'm from New York. I'm

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Speaker 6: in New York. I still got my nine one seven.

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Speaker 6: I'm there all the time, the fast the last five

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Speaker 6: shows that I did for Marvel, we're all in New York.

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Speaker 6: I was flying back and forth. It was insane. Man,

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Speaker 6: I'm always there. There's still people who think that I

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Speaker 4: Okay, but I'm saying, plane out of here, out out

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Speaker 4: of out of your New York residence and your California residence.

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Speaker 4: Where are where's the majority of your undergarments located?

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Speaker 2: That's a very specific specific question.

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Speaker 6: What are those.

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Speaker 2: Very white? Real quick? Sorry? Yeah, what are those? Anyway?

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Speaker 4: No, for real, Thank you for doing this for absolutely

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Speaker 4: so New York. You said Brooklyn because I thought you

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Speaker 4: would see. Once again, I'm always wrong. I'm always on.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I start you always Alphabet city.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was raised there.

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Speaker 2: So you were born in Cone Yup.

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Speaker 6: And conceived on AVENUEIX. So he got gain was like home. Yes,

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Speaker 6: I actually I had actually been in Lincoln High School

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Speaker 6: she got pregnant with me when she was sixteen, and

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Speaker 6: because she got justes stational diabetes, she kept passing out

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Speaker 6: eighteen years later, I'm doing a movie with Spike Lee

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Speaker 6: and I'm in Lincoln High School and I got to

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Speaker 6: and vindicating her. Yes, you know, and everything and all

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Speaker 2: Actually, how long were you there for? I mean before

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Speaker 6: To We moved to Manhattan probably when I was like

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Speaker 4: Actually, So, okay, can you explain You've talked about living

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Speaker 6: Well, we moved there when I was around six and

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Speaker 6: there's no other families in there, does no water, heater

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Speaker 2: So you guys transformed the entire block, and well.

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Speaker 6: Bit by bit, a lot of the squatters and people

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Speaker 6: And so even though there was like one working street

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Speaker 6: You know, when I grew up, it was the sort

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Speaker 6: you know, I recognize that all of those people, no

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Speaker 2: So how does the so how does.

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Speaker 4: Legal wise, how does the city acknowlenge that, like years ago?

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Speaker 6: It became a building that came under you have so

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Speaker 6: everyone almost was almost evicted fairly recently, about two three

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Speaker 6: November as homeowners for the first time after thirty two years.

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Speaker 6: Well for some people thirty four years.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yep, man, you took your action.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy.

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Speaker 4: So, uh, your story is that that Larry Clark had

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Speaker 6: Larry harmony. It was the it was the cinematographer, it

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Speaker 6: am I forgetting her name? Darcy? They're in the calling

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Speaker 6: so they shot down that block, and had they not

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Speaker 6: in that movie. So they were sitting in front of

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Speaker 6: you right now.

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Speaker 2: They were initially they were initially shooting, and.

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Speaker 6: They were scouting for locations.

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Speaker 2: Oh scouting.

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Speaker 4: And by that point, did you have any acting experience

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Speaker 6: Or not so much? I mean, I had written my

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Speaker 6: My uncle's comic book artist, you know. So I grew

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Speaker 6: It's amazing how much that movie doesn't work today because

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Speaker 4: It's weird now because I mean, it's just back then

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Speaker 6: Like as I think the reason why it still resonates

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Speaker 5: How much of that is important, how much of it

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Speaker 6: Based on like Harmony wrote at that when he was nineteen.

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Speaker 6: And then on top of that, everyone was a non actor.

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Speaker 6: And the language was written by a friend who you know,

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Speaker 8: Do you guys still have a relationship everybody, like, you know,

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Speaker 5: Because then he was in the other one, Ken Park

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll see Leo, I'll see you know, you see people,

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Speaker 10: See.

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Speaker 6: The reason why they even let me do the movie

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Speaker 6: Really I was a smarty pants. I didn't. I mean,

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Speaker 6: He got Game? No? But he Got Game was my

446
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 6: senior film. So I did that film when I was eighteen.

447
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 6: That was the film I did getting out of high school.

448
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 6: So it's just a couple of years later. I turned eighteen.

449
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 6: On one of my auditions, like Spike made me audition

450
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 6: for that movie like fifteen twenty times. Really, I had

451
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 6: to keep going in because he was having me read

452
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 6: with a bunch of different people, So I don't I

453
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 6: don't even know who I was up against. I just

454
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 6: know I read with like a ton of different basketball players,

455
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 6: and I remember I was still at the it was

456
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 6: at the last couple of months of high school, and

457
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 6: I'd be going, I'm like, I just read with Alan

458
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 6: Iverson today and they're.

459
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 10: Like, oh, yes, I would.

460
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 6: Read read.

461
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 5: I'll be do we talk about practice.

462
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 8: Bazario between starting in Kids and then your next situation

463
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 8: was Spike in retrospec Looking back, how did how did

464
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 8: that help you in your career? Because it seems like

465
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 8: those are like some real into trenches experiences, especially for

466
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 8: the beginning, like how did how did do you look

467
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 8: back at that and say, Okay, well, now I was

468
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 8: prepared for this.

469
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 6: Well, I mean when you start off with Kids and

470
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 6: the Kids is such an incredible film because it's so raw.

471
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 6: It's kids, and it's you know, it's honest and it's

472
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 6: vulnerable and it's stark, and you know it's about HIV

473
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,959
Speaker 6: and AIDS and latchkey kids and what are kids up

474
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 6: to when their parents aren't looking and society isn't caring

475
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 6: and I mean it was so powerful and provocative and

476
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 6: important to and still resonates today. That's how authentic and

477
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 6: remarkable it is. That like the bar was set really high,

478
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 6: and that's the reason why I was even visible to

479
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 6: someone like Spike. And then I remember when I got

480
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 6: cast and he got came. Spike's like, yo, so you

481
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 6: got to help realin out and I'm like, dude, like,

482
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 6: I don't, i don't know what I'm doing, Like I

483
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 6: just I'm just starting off myself. Have him like you know,

484
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 6: Denzel around and he's like no, and Spikes whole thing

485
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 6: is like, if I've cast you, I don't make mistakes,

486
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 6: so do the job I hired you for. So it

487
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 6: was interesting. It was sort of like this reverse sort

488
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 6: of confidence builder of just going well, I trust him

489
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 6: and I believe in him, and I love Spike's work.

490
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 6: So if he's saying I can do it, then I'm

491
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 6: guessing I'm gonna have to manifest how to do this

492
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 6: and acting and show up, you know. So it was

493
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 6: really interesting. And he would leave sometimes like he'd literally

494
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 6: be like, Yo, the game's about to start. Peace, you

495
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 6: can finish this, he laughed. When we were doing the

496
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 6: Wonder Wheel scene. Oh he laughed and Spike and and

497
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 6: Ray was sick because he we'd already done the cyclone.

498
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 6: We'd have massive headaches and he's guzzling pepto bismol on

499
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 6: this wonder Wheel. I'm by myself with this like vombity

500
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 6: guy beautiful, awesome, remarkable, vomity guy trying to do this

501
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 6: sexy scene and Spikes live piece.

502
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: I got a game.

503
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 4: Game it was ninety seven. Yeah, yeah, my thoughts where

504
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 4: he was watching Jordans or something. But was it intimidating

505
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 4: because I also know that Denzel is a very even

506
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 4: though you had a few scenes with him one or yeah,

507
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 4: then that one with the karate chap to the next scene.

508
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 6: Same thing with Unstoppable one scene. I've got to do

509
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 6: a movie with Denzel that actually has me have more

510
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 6: than one scene with him. All of my stuff and

511
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 6: Unstoppable is on the is over the phone, and it

512
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 6: was literally this other dude who we called White Denzel,

513
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 6: who sounds just like Denzel but is not Denzel, but

514
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 6: he would do his voice and innotations. So all of

515
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 6: my acting stuff except for the actual day I was

516
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 6: on set with Denzel white.

517
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: Room talking about you'll see about that.

518
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 7: We're training day three with you.

519
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: There.

520
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 6: That's not like, you know when people come up to

521
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 6: me and go, I really liked you, and Alexander I

522
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 6: have to say oh, because you only oh and I

523
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 6: like you? Thank you?

524
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 4: So uh anyway, anyway, we're back. So yeah, so you're

525
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 4: saying that, how how awkward or intense was that film?

526
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: Because I felt as though.

527
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 4: That film and a lot of our eyes we're seeing

528
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 4: you as la la.

529
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 2: Oh.

530
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I still got called cast la la people screaming

531
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 6: down the block. I'm like, why why would you be

532
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 6: in love with that girl?

533
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 4: And the first time I met you, I was like, man,

534
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 4: she's the furthest thing from I know.

535
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 6: I remember Derek Jeter, I think hit up Spike and

536
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 6: was like, y'all I want to meet or whatever, and

537
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 6: Spike was like Juter and I'm like, I'm going to

538
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 6: show up in sweats and that's exactly what I did.

539
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 6: And Derek was like and I was like, I am

540
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 6: not laala, like even remotely, not even a little bit.

541
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 6: And you know, because how many times did we hang

542
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 6: out during that time? I never like, did I wash

543
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 6: my hair?

544
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: Yes? Who is human?

545
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 6: Nice? What are you gonna doa Can I just meet

546
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 6: see her?

547
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 2: I actually thought was cool. I was like, oh, okay,

548
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: she's a nerd.

549
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 4: Okay, nice to meet you. But actually we met the

550
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 4: weirdest circumstances was Tarik's party the first time we met.

551
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 6: I think so actually, and I was just thinking about

552
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 6: recently this time that we went to mister Chows together. Yo,

553
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 6: do you remember that?

554
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: You don't know the half of it.

555
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 6: I remember we went there and I was there and

556
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 6: everybody's still sarted, launching into these stories about like y'all

557
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 6: remember that time your mom's attacked you with the knife

558
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 6: getting and it turned into this crazy conversation about mama,

559
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 6: bases about mama and like how your family members. So

560
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 6: were like, I'm gonna make you more scared of me

561
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 6: than the drug dealers, keep you in check.

562
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: No harsh love, all right. So the thing is this,

563
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: this is one of the Knights where d pool day,

564
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: I can't sing like whatever.

565
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 4: We was at like Radio City Music for a week,

566
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 4: so to these nights he canceled sickness or whatever, so

567
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 4: we had the night off.

568
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: So and most was also on the show.

569
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 4: So we thought, okay, let's go to mister Chiles and

570
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 4: you know I was not on mister Childs's budget, So

571
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 4: I'll explain the second half of.

572
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: This dinner thing.

573
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 4: Anyway, So we're sitting in this back then, mister Chiles

574
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 4: was the standard, you know, the illustrio. You know, you

575
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 4: go to mister Child's. I think like Leonardo was there

576
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 4: at night. He ignored us and just said he said,

577
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: I to most and maybe Brazario, but everyone else.

578
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: We were like minions.

579
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 4: So it was like ten of us and me and

580
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: Moses brothers. Like you know, like when when black people

581
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 4: get together, we share the worst whooping stories ever, that's

582
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 4: like our favorite thing, like to share.

583
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: Who has the worst tragedy.

584
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, we bond, right, But like my my boyfriend at

585
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 6: the time was there, and he grew up in Hawaii,

586
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 6: barefoot surfing and like with hippie parents. So he walked

587
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 6: out of their traumatized, like, oh my god, that's abuse.

588
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 6: That was his mother did that? Why were they laughing?

589
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: It was like the worst the abuse, the funnier the story.

590
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, and everyone wanted to one up each other like.

591
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but most of those brothers, oh god.

592
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 5: Umi, yeah yeah yeah, mom. I never mean his mom.

593
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 5: She's quick with the switch. Anyway, So the check right,

594
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 5: and this is the first.

595
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 4: Time I'm looking at a four figure check because I

596
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 4: made the mistake of in typical mirror fashion, I was

597
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 4: you know, I showed up late. So Most was like, oh,

598
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 4: it's cool, I'm gonna take the liberty and just you know,

599
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 4: I'll pre order for everyone. So I was like, cool,

600
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 4: because I'm not thinking that I'm ever going to be

601
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 4: subject to a meal that's going to cost twelve hundred dollars.

602
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 4: So Most just ordered one of everything off the menu.

603
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 4: On top of that shit, he ordered you a birthday

604
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 4: cake and it wasn't even your birthday.

605
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, nigga, you're trying to stump on my dollars.

606
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 8: Wasn't one of the moment where it's like, let's just

607
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 8: split this equally, no matter or whatever.

608
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: So something happened.

609
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 4: Something happened, and I knew something was up when four people.

610
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: Brought check and the check looked like four people.

611
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 4: It looked like not even war in peace. The shit

612
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: looked like the Koran like it was a check, and.

613
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 5: It looked like a mile long, and it looked like

614
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 5: the damn when you go to CVS to print out

615
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 5: that you get with.

616
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 8: So wait, I need you to dissect this moment because

617
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 8: at this moment, all of y'all a still at a

618
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 8: certain tax bracket.

619
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 10: So how long do you look at the check?

620
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 6: Because you know you don't want to look too long.

621
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 6: I want to want to.

622
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: Cool, But motherfucker, I had diarrhea. I played.

623
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 4: Because I mean back then in two thousand, you know,

624
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 4: like I was probably on an allowance that between my

625
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: record habit and my sneaker habit, you know, a twelve

626
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: hundred dollars dinner check could wipe me out.

627
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 6: You're on top ramen for the next three weeks.

628
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: Yo. I was living off of the d and the

629
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: tour bus and anyway.

630
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 4: So I went to the bathroom, and you know, Most

631
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 4: was like all trying to gauge you in another abuse story,

632
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: kind of behind your back. I was like, Yo, the

633
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 4: bathroom now, so me, Most and his two brothers are

634
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 4: now in the bathroom.

635
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: Fighting over twelve hundred dollars.

636
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 4: DM, Like we're counting it in the bathroom, and the

637
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 4: bill was twelve hundred and I think we collectively scrapped

638
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 4: together like eight hundred and nineteen dollars and we're like, yo, that.

639
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: I can't do. So I begged.

640
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 4: I begged, and Tina at the last minute shout out

641
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 4: to Tina Fairs. I said, Tina, do not tell Shuan

642
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 4: g don't tell Rich Please swipe the roots card on

643
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 4: on this thing and get us out of this predicament.

644
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 4: And I just prayed, and she picked up and came

645
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 4: to the last minute and saved us.

646
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: Amazing never again.

647
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 10: Most Oh, y'all dinner, it's like for real, like most.

648
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: Probably that's the last you get in line.

649
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you were none the wiser I got invited,

650
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 6: dog was I got a birthday cake.

651
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 4: I was like, that's when I got married because I

652
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 4: looked at him like, yo, dog, is not even her birthday,

653
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 4: but you know what the cake was like one hundred

654
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 4: and nineteen. But like, yo, dog, I hope it was

655
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 4: the best cake you have. Eight No, I couldn't eat.

656
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 2: I lost.

657
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 4: I was trying to regurgitate the food and give it

658
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 4: back to them. How bad, you know.

659
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 6: But I think about that story a lot because I

660
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 6: think about like it's it took that comes up for

661
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 6: me over so many years, especially at this moment that

662
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 6: we're in right now. I mean for so many years,

663
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 6: like you know, we got this times up thing that's

664
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 6: happening right now, which is really powerful, and all of

665
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 6: these people who are coming out about harassment and abuse

666
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 6: and just you know, we've got sexual predator in chief

667
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 6: in office, and like just so many different things that

668
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 6: are kind of coming on. And after years of being

669
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 6: on the board of v Day and Lori's Side Girls

670
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 6: Club and so many organizations and traveling around the world

671
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 6: to places like Congo and talking to people from abuse

672
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 6: and having been abused myself as a kid, and you know,

673
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 6: just so many different things and recognizing how often we

674
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 6: really do marginalize the pain that we've gone through and

675
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 6: how we excuse the harsh sort of realities that we

676
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 6: sort of live in. And it's been really beautiful to

677
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 6: see over the years people get their come upance and

678
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 6: be able to kind of grow past that and become incredible, wonderful,

679
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 6: beautiful people who are championing light and love and compassion

680
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 6: and empathy and just seeing people like knowing fully well

681
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 6: what they went through to get to this position, Like

682
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 6: even watching jay z and concert just talking about like, yo,

683
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 6: I came from ugliness and I did ugly things to

684
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 6: get here and now I'm here because I kept speaking

685
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 6: into the future what I wanted to create because I

686
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 6: didn't how many people when I was a teenager, I

687
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 6: went to their funerals, And there are a lot of

688
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 6: people whose funerals that I went to, and there's a

689
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 6: lot of people who have who are really tortured and

690
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 6: traumatized from not just the neighborhoods and the circumstances they

691
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 6: grew up in, but from the harsh love that their

692
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 6: parents and grandparents felt that they needed to wield in

693
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 6: order to quote unquote protect them and that stuff really,

694
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 6: you know, And and it was just interesting because we

695
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 6: were right in that moment. It was still something that

696
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 6: was kind of really blind to me how much we

697
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 6: tolerate because it's our normal and how you know, like

698
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 6: as a parent, now that's just not something that's acceptable parents.

699
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 2: How do you guys view you know, corporate punishment.

700
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 10: Well, not just corporate conversation has changed now.

701
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 8: It's not as acceptable to see people talking about that loud,

702
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 8: like it is.

703
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 4: Like we would laugh at you know, white people saying

704
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: like oh, time out, you know, that sort of thing.

705
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: But it's like, how do you how do you.

706
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 4: Minister that now so that you don't traumatize your kids and.

707
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 5: I think for me, I mean, I got boys, so

708
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 5: you know, it's I think some with boys, there is

709
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 5: a little particular raising young black boys, like you have

710
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 5: to let them know that the world is not gonna

711
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 5: be fair, and that generally my message to them.

712
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: I have.

713
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 5: My boys are seventeen and twelve. But I remember telling

714
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 5: my twelve year old, I'm like, listen, your childhood is

715
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 5: gonna end in like another year. Like that's pretty much

716
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 5: when black childhood ends. Once you're no longer cute and

717
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 5: cut lee and all that stuff, homie, you're a threat.

718
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 5: You get a little height on you, your voice, get a

719
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 5: little deeper, your you know, hands, get a little big Like, dude,

720
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 5: you're not the same. So versus when you're eight and

721
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 5: nine and it's you and your buddies at the mall

722
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 5: or at Chuck E Cheese or whatever the fuck. It's

723
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 5: all these cute little boys. But take thirteen year olds

724
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 5: and it's for y'all. Now, y'all are game, you know

725
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 5: what I mean, So you just have to be cognitive

726
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 5: of that. So to me, I in terms of just beaten,

727
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 5: that's something that I mean, I definitely got a lot

728
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 5: of beatens as a kid.

729
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: My boys.

730
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 5: I can probably count on one hand the number of

731
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 5: times I ever had to spank them, like ever, you

732
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying throughout their life. For me, it's

733
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 5: just more so just a thing of just having conversations

734
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 5: with them and just trying to understand that you know,

735
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 5: you can talk to me about anything. If you bring

736
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 5: something to me, you won't get in trouble for it

737
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 5: if you get out ahead of it. But if I

738
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 5: find out some ship, that's your ass. So that's what

739
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 5: I mean. Growing Yeah, I mean, that's that's how it

740
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 5: is me. And then too, I think we have to

741
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 5: think of for me, a big thing was like just

742
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 5: just as black Americans or just all people of color,

743
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 5: I think you have to think about where our shit

744
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 5: comes from and all of it.

745
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: That ship comes from slavery, you know what I mean.

746
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 5: Like I remember being a kid and like my grandmother

747
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 5: making us pick switches, you know what i mean.

748
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: I'm sure, like you probably.

749
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 8: Sure that in the village that we never put our

750
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 8: hands on you.

751
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 5: But that picking on like some slave ship, nigga, Like

752
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 5: that's because that's not that goes beyond discipline, that's human,

753
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like that's I'm gonna fuck

754
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 5: with you and make you pick your own punishment, you

755
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like that's psychology, that's some psychological

756
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 5: abuse shit.

757
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: So even think about like, damn.

758
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 6: Exactly, King Leopold never stepped a foot in the Congo,

759
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 6: and they that's exactly what they would do, is have

760
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 6: slaves beat other slaves, you know. And that's this how

761
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 6: they created apartheid, Like they went and looked at what

762
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 6: worked in multiple different countries and places around slavery to

763
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 6: compile something together that would exactly gaslight people and have

764
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 6: them turning against each other. And I feel like that's

765
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 6: the moment that we're in right now, where those device,

766
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 6: those those tools for divisiveness are being exposed, and we're

767
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 6: recognizing how much we've been siloed from each other and

768
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 6: and being in competition and creating violence and being marginalized

769
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 6: so that we actually think we're the minority, but we're not.

770
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 6: We're not right at all, and the world around and

771
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 6: you know, and that part of that was exactly those

772
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 6: things of like you know, my family members who martyred

773
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 6: themselves and sacrificed, and it was all about, you know,

774
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 6: forfeiting needs for these other strategies and I was raised

775
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 6: in that and it was incredibly corrosive to the spirit

776
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 6: and energy. And it's never mind all the stuff that

777
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 6: you see in culture that also demoralizes you and puts

778
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 6: you down and marginalizes you. But you got to recognize that,

779
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 6: like that hate and that fear and those traumas also

780
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 6: came from your family and that they didn't know any

781
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 6: better because that's how they were raised. Like it's just

782
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 6: like the fact that we're at this point right now

783
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 6: where we can really break that cycle, and a lot

784
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 6: of that is like I love the conversation I was

785
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 6: talking to people like Patrit's Colors, who's like, going, we

786
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 6: need to have self care and it's not about me,

787
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 6: just as you know, one of the founding members of

788
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 6: Black Lives Matter, going, I need to take care of

789
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 6: myself because you know, look at Erika Garner just dying

790
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 6: right now from an enlarged heart. You know, like that's

791
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 6: that's a broken heart and someone who didn't get the

792
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 6: chance to morn, who's been fighting and fighting and fighting

793
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 6: and now can't raise her child. It's like, you know,

794
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 6: we have to take care of ourselves. But also we

795
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 6: didn't hurt ourselves, and we also need to have a

796
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 6: conversation that where we're really taking care of ourselves. So

797
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 6: I go back to that conversation often because in that

798
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 6: when we made light of all of that abuse and trauma,

799
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 6: and I feel like the conversation that's happening now is

800
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 6: going really investigating it and going was that good? Was

801
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 6: that necessary? I mean, it made sense for that time,

802
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 6: but it no longer works. It's not and not even

803
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 6: that it necessarily really made sense for that time either,

804
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 6: but it's no longer excusable. But we truly know better

805
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 6: because I hear y'all and it makes sense.

806
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 8: But then there's something inside of me just having an

807
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 8: AMA's moment that makes me go, I was a child

808
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 8: who got beatens right, not just the switch moment, but

809
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 8: and it used to be a moment where I was

810
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 8: proud to say, yes, I got beat and I'm a

811
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 8: proud child that I'm not going to do the same

812
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 8: to my children. But now it's so weird because those

813
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 8: words coming out of your mouth are now offensive. It's

814
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 8: not politically correct to say like, but I remember ten

815
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 8: years ago talking to peers and being like, I got

816
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 8: beat them and beat my kads yeah, of course, it's

817
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 8: just we we thought.

818
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 6: It was normal and we knew the thing and I

819
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 6: complated is that there was love behind it, right, And

820
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 6: that's what I said. It wasn't like I was there.

821
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 8: And it's a certain pride and me not I don't

822
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 8: want to say me being fearful of my mother, but

823
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 8: it's a certain respect level because although she is two

824
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 8: feet shorter than me and one hundred pounds smaller, I'm

825
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 8: not fucking with her. But that's not my best friend.

826
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 8: But I think it some of that was because of

827
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 8: the beating.

828
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 6: It's just a weird.

829
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: But there's a way you have to.

830
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 5: I think there's a way you can establish, you know,

831
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 5: respect and establish those boundaries that may not necessarily involve

832
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 5: hitting your kids, you know what I mean. You know,

833
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 5: for me, I've just never had that issue with my boys,

834
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.

835
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: They just don't.

836
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 5: And so I remember when Tamia Rice got killed and

837
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 5: I sat my son down at the time, who was eleven,

838
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 5: I think or ten, and I was like, this, this kid,

839
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 5: you will be twelve in two years, you know what

840
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 5: I mean, And they just shot and killed this kid,

841
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 5: just so he was aware of the world that he's

842
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 5: living in and so just having those kinds of conversations

843
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 5: just help you to understand that. It's like, listen, I'm

844
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 5: telling you these things because I care.

845
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

846
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 5: And if you do something that is out of pocket, yeah,

847
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 5: I'm a scream on you, but it's because I'm trying

848
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 5: to save your fucking life, you know what I mean.

849
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 5: Like I'm being hard on you because I'm trying to

850
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 5: protect you, and I may not that may not necessarily

851
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 5: mean I gotta, you know, put hands on you. And

852
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 5: as long as they understand that. With my boys, they

853
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 5: get it. So I just personally haven't had a lot

854
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 5: to do that.

855
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 6: I think that's just the tools just keep getting refined.

856
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 6: The relationship you have with your mom is because you

857
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 6: two love each other and you're both good people and

858
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 6: you want to have that dynamic. Did it have to

859
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 6: go and be created in the way that it was.

860
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 6: That's arguable it, you know, because you're I'm seeing now

861
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 6: I can have a relationship with my kid that doesn't

862
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 6: involve those things and I can still get that same

863
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 6: thing and without having to excuse some laps of judgment

864
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 6: and art, you know, and violence and abuse because that

865
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 6: wasn't necessary. It was an avenue. We grew up in it. Though,

866
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 6: Like that's why I keep going back to that conversation,

867
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 6: because it was like, these are all really good, really talented,

868
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 6: really smart people, but we're all tolerating this thing because

869
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 6: it's our normal. Is what it is, what it is,

870
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 6: it's it's part of culture. And now the culture is

871
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 6: really transfer formed. And like that's the thing where it's

872
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 6: interesting where I don't necessarily agree about how outrageous young

873
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 6: people are, and I think that's always sort of been there,

874
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 6: But there's this other beautiful and I get it because

875
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 6: there's a lot of argument against calling with millennials and

876
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 6: young people about entitled, but there is something really empower

877
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 6: amazing about how entitled young people feel like they have

878
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 6: a voice. They have twenty four hour channels dedicated to them.

879
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 6: We didn't have that. We had a couple of cartoons

880
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 6: and then that was it. It was an adult world. And

881
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 6: now kids are catered to. They have access to information

882
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 6: that doesn't have to come from their teachers or their

883
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 6: parents or their neighborhood. They can really and so at

884
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 6: a very younger age, they're expressing themselves and feeling entitled

885
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 6: to those opinions, and so like, you know, you're getting

886
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 6: a different pushback than just like a sassy teenager talking

887
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 6: to you. You're getting this really young person who feels

888
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 6: like they have to they can express themselves, which was

889
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 6: not the same thing. But my mother or my grandmother

890
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 6: went through in it was like yes, ma'am, no, ma'am, that.

891
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 2: Did not exist. They are they're more informed.

892
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 6: Are information is power, and so that's.

893
00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: More informed than we were at that age.

894
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 6: I mean for sure, you know, and it took us

895
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 6: a long time for us to get to like this

896
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 6: level of you know, non violent communication and all of

897
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 6: this stuff is happening to us in our twenties and

898
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 6: thirties and forties, and that's happening in teenagers now and

899
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 6: younger and that that's pretty and seeing them assert themselves

900
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 6: and going, don't you like you're gonna you don't talk

901
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 6: to me that way, you don't hit you don't hit

902
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 6: me like that. Like it's not just that we're deciding that,

903
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 6: you know, we've decided we want to change, it's these

904
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 6: kids going, what do you think put your hand down?

905
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 5: Well, well, now they ain't never said that to me.

906
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 5: Now that'll get you fucked up? Yeah, with your hand, nigga,

907
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 5: what you got on this mortgage? Nigga about that?

908
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 6: I still have. I take that from the will Smith

909
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 6: thing where you tell those kids all, he said, used

910
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 6: to tell us kids all the time, like clean my room.

911
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 6: That's my room. No, you ain't paying no rent, that's

912
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 6: my room.

913
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

914
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 5: But I struggle, I mean I struggle with that though

915
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,959
Speaker 5: I do. I struggle with it just in the sense

916
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 5: of like I'm always thinking about I don't know if

917
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 5: you will remember. It was like some experiment that some

918
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 5: scientists did like years this, like in the sixties and seventies.

919
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 5: But it was basically this experiment where they took these

920
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 5: fish and they had them in the bowl. They had

921
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 5: them the fish tank, and so they put the fish

922
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 5: in the fish tank, and they had one side of

923
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 5: the fish of the tank closed off, so the fish

924
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 5: can only go into the bowl into like this little

925
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 5: border or whatever. So then they remove the border, and

926
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 5: the fish still stayed on the side, you know what

927
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 5: I mean. And so for me, that's kind of the

928
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 5: thing with what it was raising like you know, black boys,

929
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 5: it's like I look at like white kids, like if

930
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 5: you've be in the airport and you just see white

931
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 5: kids just be everywhere, just be running all the funk

932
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 5: around and they mamas don't stop them, They just let

933
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 5: them go.

934
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: And we're always as a kid, not like that.

935
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 6: On the plane to Africa, the kids are running around.

936
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 6: Oh wow, us in our place y place. Again, it's culture, right,

937
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 6: and what's what's what's accepted and what's and the fear

938
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 6: that's built into it and you know all of those

939
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 6: things where we do that, we put up that border

940
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 6: ourselves and don't step out. But if you see that

941
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 6: difference in people you know over there, then that's what's

942
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 6: the difference between them and US America.

943
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: They different.

944
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, yeah.

945
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 4: So of course you're legendarily known for your political activism.

946
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 4: What made you, yeah, I believe it or not. I

947
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 4: don't know if you know this, what made you want

948
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 4: to step into that realm? Because nine times out of ten,

949
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 4: you know, once a person reaches a certain place in

950
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 4: their their career, their profession, they might get in a

951
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 4: comfortable place where it's like, well, I don't want to

952
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 4: rap my boat. And you know, you have this sort

953
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 4: of Harriet Tubman thing about you where it's like you

954
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 4: you ride for your people, and every time I turn around,

955
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 4: you're either you know, doing some girls club thing or

956
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 4: you're always i'd see you do more social work than

957
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 4: I do your professional work. But then again, you know,

958
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 4: you know, if you're getting Marvel money, then I'm getting.

959
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: Like, okay, we're getting money. You know.

960
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 4: I'm sure that affords you, you know, time to balance. Yeah, like,

961
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 4: how do you balance your professional career? And you know,

962
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 4: why do you feel it's such a need to be

963
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 4: politically and socially involved in the lives of the uh

964
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 4: I guess disenfranchised or.

965
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 6: Well, I grew up before you know, Kimblee Crenshaw sort

966
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 6: of coined intersectionality with her remarkable ted talk and work.

967
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 6: I grew up understanding the intersectionality of my mom being

968
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 6: a teenage mom and lack of education and home and

969
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 6: security and jobs, you know, and like, you know, the

970
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 6: voice my mom would put on, Hi, I'm Isabelle celest Dosan,

971
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 6: you know, and to try to get a job, and

972
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 6: then suddenly she'd show up and the job was no

973
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 6: longer available and the apartment was no longer available. Because

974
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 6: she's a six foot tall Puerto Rican from the Bronx

975
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 6: and she sounded different on the phone, but you know,

976
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 6: and and growing up in New York with a you know,

977
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 6: housing crisis and AIDS and HIV and and you know,

978
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 6: this heroin and crack epidemic and just so many different

979
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 6: things that it's like, you know, my mom worked in

980
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 6: organizations and she used to campaign, and so many other

981
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 6: people that I grew up with, and there were also

982
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 6: broken people who could also really be you know, abusive

983
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 6: and terrible and traumatized. And so it was like this

984
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 6: weird dichotomy of people. But it was always still people

985
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 6: that I saw who were not perfect, who did not

986
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 6: have it all together, who were also still going, I'm

987
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,479
Speaker 6: going to help. You know, these are people who didn't

988
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 6: have anything, and it was poor people helping people. So

989
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,959
Speaker 6: and then the very first movie I do is about

990
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 6: HIV and AIDS and rape and kids in New York

991
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 6: City and it's you know, and it shot up and

992
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 6: it made an impact, and I had so many incredible

993
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 6: conversations with people who had revelations about their behavior from

994
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 6: watching the movie. And so for me, it was always intertwined.

995
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 6: I grew up around activists. I went into film through

996
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 6: sort of advocacy, and so I recognized really early on

997
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 6: that the more I kept myself quote unquote relevant doing

998
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 6: work consistently, the more I could continue to also promote

999
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 6: the heroes and heroines that I grew up with, who

1000
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 6: were the ones who were pushing back against discriminatory housing

1001
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 6: laws and you know, working to get drug addicts off

1002
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 6: the streets and making better school programs for kids and

1003
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 6: so just it was always something that I did forever.

1004
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 6: But it's it's interesting now being you know, in sort

1005
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 6: of like this times Up group with all these amazing

1006
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 6: actresses and women and you know, over just a couple

1007
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 6: of months and all these different people who've put out

1008
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 6: their stories so bravely, and you know, the whistleblowers who

1009
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 6: have lost work over it, and now it's time to

1010
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 6: celebrate them. The Rose McGowan's and the Annabelasias and the

1011
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 6: you know, Anthony Rafts, Terry Crews, Corey Feldman, you know,

1012
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 6: Ashley Judd, Olivia Munn, Like it's important to say these

1013
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 6: people's names because they lost work, they mire Sorvino like,

1014
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 6: their careers were attacked and I you know, and and

1015
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 6: someone said something really beautiful yesterday of just talking about

1016
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 6: how because of the way she grew up, she self

1017
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 6: soothed and was able to sort of find other avenues

1018
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 6: to express herself and to have success or just to

1019
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 6: be working or you know, keeping herself busy and finding

1020
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 6: you know, vitality in her life when that work did

1021
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 6: dry up. And but when she did that, she was

1022
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 6: also marginalizing her talent and her access because suddenly that

1023
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 6: worked right up. So rather than really address how it

1024
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 6: cost her her career, she just was like, I don't

1025
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 6: really want to do it, or you know, oh it's

1026
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 6: totally cool, or maybe actually I can't do it. And

1027
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 6: the psychological sort of abuse that that was, and I

1028
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 6: look at it as well, because it's like, you know,

1029
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 6: I see certain performances or I see certain people now,

1030
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 6: and I see characters out there that look like me,

1031
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 6: that were roles that I never would have had access

1032
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 6: to over so many years. And I've always worked, but

1033
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 6: I had to do a lot of independent work, and

1034
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 6: you know, and it's and so I very often did

1035
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 6: not get paid. I got paid scale when I was

1036
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 6: on both Spikeley movies, you know, and Denzel getting you

1037
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 6: know whatever how many millions or whatever he was getting.

1038
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 6: You know, it's like and it doesn't mean, I didn't

1039
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 6: do great work, and it doesn't mean you know, how

1040
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 6: many stuff, but I didn't get I don't get nominated

1041
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 6: for stuff. And I don't know if that has to

1042
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 6: do with anything, but I know I'm one of the

1043
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 6: few who's always pushed back and been very radical about

1044
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 6: a lot of different issues. And people have always asked

1045
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 6: me for years, has that cost you work? And since

1046
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 6: I've always worked, I never really thought about it, but

1047
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 6: I haven't had access to the work that I really

1048
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 6: want to do necessarily, And it's interesting to me to

1049
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 6: kind of think, like, has it affected my work? Like

1050
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't know, Like I don't has it

1051
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 6: Has it stopped me from getting on certain lists? I

1052
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 6: know for sure, you know, sort of being a Bernie

1053
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 6: person didn't make a lot of people in Hollywood very

1054
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 6: happy with me, you know, And and so I wonder

1055
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 6: what that effect is, you know, necessarily for speaking up

1056
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 6: on behalf of trans rights and you know, gay rights

1057
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 6: and children's rights and anti abuse and education and housing

1058
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 6: all the different things that I've you know, fought for

1059
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 6: for so many years. You know, I don't, I don't

1060
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 6: know if it's cost me anything, but I do know

1061
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 6: I have constantly redirected my energy and just kind of

1062
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,959
Speaker 6: kept moving forward rather than really kind of look at, well,

1063
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 6: why didn't that turn into more work? Actually I got

1064
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 6: a lot of praise for that, Like, I know, I

1065
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 6: did a really great job in that, like seven pounds

1066
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 6: was really powerful or this was really powerful? On how

1067
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 6: come that? Like, and I'm working with people who I

1068
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 6: also know didn't get recognized because Will wouldn't get that attention,

1069
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 6: Spike wouldn't get that attention. I'd see their frustration as well,

1070
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 6: being the huge names that they were and how often

1071
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 6: their work was marginalized. So it's like you see a

1072
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 6: pattern that's definitely there. Whether it's because you're outspoken, or

1073
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 6: because you're of color, or because you're a woman or

1074
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 6: whatever it is, but they're are a lot of voices

1075
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 6: that have been marginalized for years because of discrimination.

1076
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: What is that?

1077
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 8: I just I was just curious, what is that role?

1078
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 8: Because when you think back of all the roles you

1079
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 8: have played has been very diverse, But what is that role?

1080
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 8: Did you think that you're missing out on in that way?

1081
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 6: Like, I mean, I I the opportunity, No, I mean

1082
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 6: I can definitely see there's you know, I'm not. I

1083
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 6: don't you know that when I look at what things

1084
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 6: I have, Like I auditioned for seven pounds, I auditioned

1085
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 6: for Sin City, I auditioned, Like these are roles that

1086
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 6: I fought for. These are not like, you know, and

1087
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 6: so there's this impression that like, I get offered all

1088
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 6: this stuff all the time, but actually fight for a

1089
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 6: lot of the stuff. But it's it's you know, so

1090
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 6: it's interesting, like you know, there's sort of this idea

1091
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 6: of what that looks like. And then I meet other

1092
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 6: people in my peers and they're like, oh, yeah, I'm

1093
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 6: turning on this moment. I'm like.

1094
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 4: Saying that even at this this stage in your career

1095
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 4: twenty plus, that you're still.

1096
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I still I guess it's not to say

1097
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 6: I don't like don't get offers or this or that,

1098
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 6: and I'm very grateful for like the position that I'm in,

1099
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 6: but I have to you know, it's it's just it's

1100
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 6: really interesting to recognize how, especially as women, you know,

1101
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 6: to be in this group of women now who are

1102
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 6: talking to each other and to see across the board

1103
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 6: how significant it feels for all of us, because you know,

1104
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 6: there aren't like those men's groups, there's this confidence like, oh,

1105
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 6: you're a Chris too, You're Chris. You're Chris, You're Chris.

1106
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 6: You all get franchises, you know. And it's like all

1107
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 6: of us ladies are like pitted against each other. And

1108
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 6: how many times have I auditioned against Kerrie Washington and

1109
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 6: Lucy Low and whatever? And it was like, oh, this

1110
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 6: is the diversity character. So we're all in competition with Sea. Yeah,

1111
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 6: we're all the we're the like, so there's one of

1112
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 6: us and then all men. And so like it's we're

1113
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 6: always taught where we're given this idea like you're you're welcome,

1114
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 6: even though you're doing just as much work and for

1115
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 6: a fraction of the pay. But like if you say anything,

1116
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 6: you know, know that you're replaceable, which doesn't feel like

1117
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 6: the same thing that we're hear from our male counterparts.

1118
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 6: And so like that's and and so there's like that's

1119
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 6: where there's a lot of anger from a lot of

1120
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 6: especially the women who are coming forward right now and

1121
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 6: have been coming forward for years, because it absolutely cost

1122
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 6: them work. I don't know that I can definitively say

1123
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 6: that for myself, but I know I have been a

1124
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 6: very outspoken person for a lot of years and yeah,

1125
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 6: and that capacity, but at the same time, like I

1126
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 6: don't know what that's cost me or not, Like I

1127
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 6: don't know if I had only specifically dedicated myself to

1128
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 6: acting and performing and doing the parties and doing the

1129
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 6: you know, all of that and playing that game, if

1130
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 6: I had, but instead I took I did a job.

1131
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 6: I was like, great, now I have press and I'm

1132
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 6: going to talk about this issue here. Thank you for that,

1133
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 6: and you know, and you know now it's so beautiful

1134
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 6: now to see these people who are are making really

1135
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 6: good money and aren't having access to social media, which

1136
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 6: I didn't have at that time to be able to

1137
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 6: really speak out to people and still grow their success

1138
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 6: at the same time as talking about these issues. That

1139
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 6: wasn't an option for me.

1140
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 2: Go ahead, wait, let me just get this kind of

1141
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: a three part question.

1142
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 4: But how did you because I know that no woman

1143
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 4: in Hollywood is unscathed, Yeah, but.

1144
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 2: How do you deal with.

1145
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 4: Whatever the Weinstein's or the Rattiners of Hollywood, which I'm

1146
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 4: sure there's a lot of them and some that haven't

1147
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 4: been touched yet, But.

1148
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: How do you navigate your way through that landmine?

1149
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 8: Well?

1150
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 4: What's the difference between you know, Okay, I get creepy

1151
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 4: vibes from this one and oh this one has such

1152
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 4: a claim and it's such an honor to be in

1153
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 4: this one's movies because of his legacy and his lineage.

1154
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: But I don't know, like, how do you.

1155
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 6: I mean again, because I didn't ever really play like

1156
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 6: that game. You know, there are people I avoided in general,

1157
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 6: or I did what I had to do work wise.

1158
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 6: I always treated it like Okay, I got to come

1159
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 6: here and do this party or do whatever, and then

1160
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 6: I'm out. Like I never I didn't do hey, let's

1161
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 6: go to dinner. Yeah, I very much avoided that. And

1162
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 6: if anything, that was one of the things that I

1163
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 6: thought about yesterday is like because I was I was

1164
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 6: raped in lested as a child with you know, with

1165
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 6: one with a family member and one with the babysitter.

1166
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 6: So for me, it was I grew up with this

1167
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 6: sort of understanding that the world isn't safe, and so

1168
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 6: I have going into this industry of course, I mean

1169
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 6: from kids, you know, and like how old are you, Larry?

1170
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 6: Why are you shooting these kids that dress like or

1171
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 6: not dressed like this? You know, I've I've definitely just

1172
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 6: had for a very long time. I just assume all

1173
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 6: everybody has some sort of dark potential story. So I

1174
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 6: walked into most And so did I excuse or did

1175
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 6: I ignore or did I as just navigate around all

1176
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 6: of that? Yeah, because it was it's except quote unquote tolerated.

1177
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 6: It's what's been passed down by family members who go

1178
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 6: that happened to me too, Baby, should be just gonna

1179
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 6: move on. You know, I said to me, see what

1180
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 6: I'm saying.

1181
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 8: My mom said to me, every woman in your life

1182
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 8: has been raped oresectually assaulted at some point.

1183
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 6: Now happening. We're taught like that's just how you got

1184
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 6: to deal with it, you know, like we're you know

1185
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 6: where we were sitting in one of these meetings and

1186
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 6: it was saying, you know a lot of people's first

1187
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 6: jobs is going into the waitressinger industry and that's a

1188
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 6: two dollars I think thirteen cent an hour pay, so

1189
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 6: basically the first job out of the house. Whatever trauma

1190
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 6: or not trauma you experienced there. Now you're going into

1191
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 6: the space where you're being told we're revealing clothes. Deal

1192
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 6: with that scumbag because maybe they'll give you a good tip.

1193
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 6: So now pussy grabber in chief is potentially the good tipper. Yeah,

1194
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 6: and you know so how do you then go to

1195
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 6: hr How do you then when you start building up

1196
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 6: ever go Those power dynamics are always exploited. You saw

1197
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 6: it at home, you saw it in your community, you

1198
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 6: saw it at school, you see it all. It's pervasively

1199
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 6: all around the world. At what point do you have

1200
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 6: the gumption to go no where? Like I know that

1201
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 6: most of the world's enslaved, but underground row would road

1202
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 6: later we're gonna say this isn't okay. It doesn't matter

1203
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 6: if it's the law, it's not okay. And the reason

1204
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 6: why people can be fired like this and all the

1205
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 6: stuff that's going on right now is because people behind

1206
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 6: the scenes for many years have been working to put

1207
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 6: those anti discriminatory you know, laws in place and in

1208
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 6: contracts for so long that they all need to be bettered.

1209
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 6: NDA's got to go, Like all these different things have

1210
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 6: to happen. But like this moment was a long time

1211
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 6: building and coming from a lot of heroes and heroines

1212
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 6: that'll never be recognized. Who did that dirty work when

1213
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 6: no one cared, when it was totally like where the

1214
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 6: story was. You know, we're not going to talk about

1215
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 6: what Bill cos Beer, Woody Allen did because they make

1216
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 6: great projects and this generation is going, uh no, you

1217
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 6: ruined those projects for me because you did bad things.

1218
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 6: That's actually how that story is told, and that's really

1219
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 6: that's a huge transformation from how I grew up. When

1220
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 6: I grew up, it was like, it is what it is.

1221
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 6: It's been secret, and you separated and it's totally fine,

1222
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 6: and to finally be in so my activism really felt separate,

1223
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 6: you know, like it like I do this over here

1224
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 6: and I try to help with the girls, and I

1225
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 6: try to make the inroads that I can, but I

1226
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 6: understand that I have to navigate this really carefully in

1227
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 6: my industry. And now that's starting to change, which is

1228
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 6: really powerful.

1229
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: All right.

1230
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 4: Part two, that sort of question is, all right, knowing

1231
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 4: that you are now in this community of actresses that

1232
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 4: are in conversation and you know, you guys are talking

1233
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 4: to each other daily, is there a general awareness because

1234
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 4: I know that well, you know, I know that you

1235
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 4: are in the minority of this, being a woman of

1236
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 4: color and not white. Is there a general understanding that

1237
01:01:52,240 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 4: there's still a harder level for women of color in

1238
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 4: the acting community to even get fair you know, basic treatment,

1239
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 4: not even fair treatment, but basic treatment.

1240
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 6: A million Oh they do, Yeah, because we are we

1241
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 6: are definitely pushing for that. When we're saying like fifty

1242
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 6: to fifty by twenty twenty, trying to change the boards,

1243
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 6: trying to change all the different power dynamics. It's not

1244
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 6: just going white cisgender women. It's understanding that that needs

1245
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 6: to be inclusive of lgbt t Q, LGBTQ i A people.

1246
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 2: It needs to be down because so many letters been added, I.

1247
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 6: Know, it's so much the intersectionality. Yeah, so you know,

1248
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 6: I think it's it. I think it's just you know,

1249
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 6: this idea of like that representing people of all that's

1250
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 6: disabled persons that like, it's it's much bigger than even

1251
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 6: just brown and white and black, you know and Latina

1252
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 6: an Asian, like it's it's a bigger it's a bigger issue.

1253
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,439
Speaker 6: But it's also you know, we got this beautiful letter

1254
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:59,959
Speaker 6: from the farm workers who you know, they are picking

1255
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 6: our food and vulnerable to rape daily because they're out

1256
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 6: there in the fields on their own, and they were

1257
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 6: so moved by so many of these stories that they

1258
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 6: wrote a letter in solidarity with us, and we wrote

1259
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 6: a letter back, and one of the things I pushed

1260
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 6: back on it was like, you know, they really made

1261
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 6: it much more inclusive. It's not just women, so Times

1262
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 6: Up is women, but the legal defense fund that we're

1263
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 6: funding that goes for you know, quote unquote low wage

1264
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 6: or some you know, kind of workers across the nation,

1265
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 6: male and female. Beyond the binary of understanding, like the

1266
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 6: fact that women have come together, which I think is

1267
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 6: really important. We do need women to be able to

1268
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 6: feel we've been so cut off from each other. I

1269
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 6: think it's really powerful and really beautiful, and there's so

1270
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 6: much healing that needs to happen among women. But I

1271
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 6: love that women came together to tell these stories and

1272
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,919
Speaker 6: are also recognizing the men who've come forward and are

1273
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,439
Speaker 6: recognizing that with the money that we're raising to help

1274
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 6: people to push back against their predators and hold them

1275
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 6: accountable legally, that they need those funds. And the fifteen

1276
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 6: million dollars that have already been raised in just the

1277
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 6: past couple of weeks, nine thousand donations goes to disabled

1278
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 6: persons LGBTQI. Hey people, men and women, like I mean,

1279
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 6: it's it's really beautiful that like, women are coming to

1280
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 6: the rescue, but we're inviting them, our male allies to

1281
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 6: help us out, but we're not waiting for them. And

1282
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,439
Speaker 6: that's that's to me, one of the most provocative things.

1283
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 8: And to build on what Amir said, though, is there

1284
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 8: a conversation because I feel like, especially now with an understanding,

1285
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 8: that we don't understand each other as much as we think.

1286
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,919
Speaker 8: You know what I mean, especially me too, means very

1287
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 8: different things, but especially for people of color. You know,

1288
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 8: as people of color in this country, we've been we

1289
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 8: have to know some basic things about white folks.

1290
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 10: It's in our history.

1291
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 8: For the first eighteen years of our lives, we are

1292
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 8: taught about white folks. White folks have the option of

1293
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 8: learning about black people right So on the hills of

1294
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 8: what Amir said, you know, I always find it interesting

1295
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 8: with white women how it's a woman's movement, it's women.

1296
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 6: Got their right to vote.

1297
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 8: But there is a whole disconnect of talking like I

1298
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 8: hate when I hear women talk about women's suffrage and

1299
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 8: white women seem to forget that women of black women

1300
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 8: could not vote until nineteen sixty five, where you were

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Speaker 8: voting eighteen sixty whatever.

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Speaker 6: Also the Native American women who were the models for

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Speaker 6: the suffragette movement who never who never get recognized. That's right.

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Speaker 6: So like it's you know, like the it didn't like

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Speaker 6: have a bunch of people leaving from England and showing

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01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 6: up here and going I'm gonna create three branches of government. No,

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Speaker 6: you got that from Natives if you were living and

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01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 6: have and had an incredible democracy. That was the first democracy.

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Speaker 6: These were not just people walking around with you know,

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Speaker 6: fingers up in the air like this. This was These

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Speaker 6: were whole communities with leadership where the women were recognized,

1312
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Speaker 6: men were recognized, trans people were recognized as having two

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Speaker 6: spirits and considered valuable to the community.

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Speaker 8: Like that is still that's an added on a conversation.

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Speaker 8: I'm just saying it's not at the beginning of the conversation.

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Speaker 6: So absolutely it's been That's why I'm in that space, right, Okay,

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Speaker 6: That's why Gabrielle Union's in that space, and Rashida's in

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Speaker 6: that space. In America's in that space, and all of

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Speaker 6: us are being really assertive about you know, making sure

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Speaker 6: like and we're going just going we have to have

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Speaker 6: fifty to fifty by twenty twenty, Well, what does that

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Speaker 6: exactly mean? You know, like, how many of those how

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Speaker 6: diverse does that fifty to fifty look? You know, and

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Speaker 6: really making sure that that's really understood that if we're

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Speaker 6: talking about having a world and that that reflect you know,

1326
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 6: having an industry that's reflective of the world, that means

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Speaker 6: we got to look at the statistics of what this

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01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 6: world actually looks like. And right now those numbers don't exist.

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01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 6: And what's one of the things that's interesting of like

1330
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Speaker 6: doing the research on this is like, if there's one

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Speaker 6: woman out of ten on a board, three quarters of

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Speaker 6: men think that it's diverse enough, and a third of

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01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 6: women think it's diverse enough. But there's actually, you know,

1334
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Speaker 6: or a little bit more I think, actually think that, okay,

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Speaker 6: well we've got a diverse board. Now there's one out

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Speaker 6: of ten, you know, and never mind that if she'll

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Speaker 6: ever be or whatever.

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Speaker 8: You know, and that one woman does she underdo what

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Speaker 8: do women understand at that point? Though? That diverse doesn't

1340
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 8: just mean one white woman sitting there? Are you happy

1341
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 8: now that you see one white woman sitting there? But

1342
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 8: do you even notice that there's something else missing?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely? And so like and that's again goes back to

1344
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 6: the psychological stuff of like what we are conditioned to

1345
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 6: believe we can have and how much we we we

1346
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 6: get so excited about the little bit that we get

1347
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 6: that we celebrate as opposed to cantinuing to push for

1348
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 6: what we actually need, let alone deserve or want.

1349
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Speaker 8: But like need and how do you see this translating,

1350
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 8: especially since it's Hollywood, how do you see this translating

1351
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 8: to the everyday person, especially when we're talking about like,

1352
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 8: I mean, do we even does lily lead better even

1353
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 8: matter anymore? Like how you see this translating into fair

1354
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 8: pay for women period?

1355
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 6: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 10: It's not basic.

1357
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 6: This is like we're raising you know, we're trying to

1358
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 6: change code of context. We're trying to change laws, like

1359
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 6: we're trying to change the lay up the you know,

1360
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 6: we're talking about changing the people are at the top,

1361
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 6: the studios and the agencies, the ones who do all

1362
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 6: that hiring. You're never like agencies will poach other people

1363
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 6: to meet their quotas. They will poach other women or

1364
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 6: people of color from other agencies, which means you only

1365
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 6: rob them and create more disparaty in those other spaces.

1366
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 6: As opposed to growing them and going I'm gonna make

1367
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 6: sure I'm gonna start with the interns and grow this

1368
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 6: talent and make sure it's diverse from the get you know.

1369
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 6: Like that's the conversation that we're having, and right now

1370
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 6: we're getting people going like, yeah, we'll do it, and

1371
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 6: it's like, I don't think you understand what we're saying

1372
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 6: the people we want to see on this board, because

1373
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 6: if we change that, If we change that, then we

1374
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 6: change the hiring practices, we change the stories that we tell.

1375
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 6: When there are a majority of women on a set,

1376
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 6: suddenly women aren't geting, Like it erases a lot of

1377
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 6: the sexual harassment and abuse that exists right now. Like

1378
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 6: we can do all we want to change the laws

1379
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 6: about like going after perpetrators, but you got to start

1380
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 6: where we gotta, we gotta you know, we're and we're

1381
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 6: doing that and that's why that fund is there. But

1382
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 6: at the same time, if we don't really address what

1383
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 6: creates those environments to begin with, we're just going to

1384
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 6: keep putting a band aid to try to stop this

1385
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 6: bleeding wound. And we have to change that, and that's

1386
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 6: not gonna go very easily. I mean I'm sure, Like

1387
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Speaker 6: that's an interesting conversation. I've talked to a lot of people,

1388
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 6: especially at our age, where it's like, you work so

1389
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 6: hard in your different industries to get to the top,

1390
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,480
Speaker 6: and then you recognize when you when you're really successful,

1391
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 6: white women included, you're like, I'm surrounded by older white men,

1392
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 6: like that's the top. Like and then people and I

1393
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 6: think like that moment where people get so like disinterested

1394
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 6: or unhappy in their thirties and forties is not like

1395
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 6: just like age, but literally because you realize you sacrificed

1396
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 6: your whole life to get into that room, and you

1397
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 6: realize that room is not someplace that you're is and

1398
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 6: not comforting and not like and it's not something that

1399
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 6: like because that's where the keys have been held, you know,

1400
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 6: like getting an education as a woman or a person

1401
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 6: of color that was illegal. So like, bit by bit,

1402
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 6: over many years, we have gotten ourselves into all of

1403
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 6: those spaces, but there are still some spaces that have

1404
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 6: really siloed from us, and we are trying at this

1405
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 6: point to break into those spaces. And once you get

1406
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 6: up there, that's the world. That's the world that creates

1407
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 6: all the rules and the laws and the stories and

1408
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 6: the culture and whatever, and that's so far the keys

1409
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 6: are still very tightly kept.

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Speaker 4: Well that sort of leads to my part three question

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01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 4: is Okay, so I guess twenty seventeen was the purging

1412
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 4: period build and destroy whatever or destroy and rebuild. So

1413
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 4: the you're saying that twenty twenty is kind of the

1414
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 4: in game goal to set these things in place.

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Speaker 6: Or that's where we're you know, it's not an impossibility

1416
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 6: to think about having there's there's It's like, what was

1417
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 6: it Chris who made that joke about Barack being Like,

1418
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,520
Speaker 6: it wasn't that suddenly, for the first time in American

1419
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 6: history there was a black man who was capable of

1420
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 6: being president. It was just that this was the first

1421
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 6: time that we allowed a person of color to be president.

1422
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 6: You know. So it's like, I feel like that's the

1423
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 6: space that we're in right now. The conversation's really pushing

1424
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 6: and going. This could have changed a long time ago,

1425
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 6: and now it's time for it to change. And the

1426
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 6: only way to do that is to push for it.

1427
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 6: Like you if you don't reach for it, if you

1428
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 6: don't push for it, if you don't organize and strategize

1429
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 6: and do all these different things. That's the long game,

1430
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 6: you know, it was it was you know, I forget

1431
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 6: her name, which is unfortunate. Is a white woman who

1432
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 6: paid for you know, the Montgomery bus strike to last

1433
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 6: for a year. She had volunteered and said, you, okay,

1434
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 6: I know you guys can't lose work over this, so

1435
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 6: and the strike is really important, so I'll pay for

1436
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 6: it as long as it lasts, not knowing it was

1437
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 6: going to last a year, and she passed her word

1438
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 6: and continued to pay so that they really after a year,

1439
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 6: we're like, damn it, you guys are really not going

1440
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 6: to take these buses. We need to work like So

1441
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 6: that's the Those are the stories that we're not told

1442
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 6: of how long it takes, the kind of allies that

1443
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 6: we need, and this is like so it's great, there,

1444
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 6: everyone's going to wear black at the Golden Globes and

1445
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 6: do all these different symbolic things. But we are really

1446
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 6: truly of the understanding that this is the long game

1447
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 6: and we have to an election.

1448
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 4: Will you guys unionize? And I mean not that I

1449
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 4: want all the information spilled or whatever, but.

1450
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 6: Saga is a union. We have a union, and it

1451
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 6: needs to be better. Women, woman's been president before. So yeah,

1452
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 6: it's not it's not it's it's it's but you know,

1453
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,719
Speaker 6: there's just just you know, I think as we were saying,

1454
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 6: you know, it's like it's interesting, you know, having been

1455
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 6: a burne person and then last year and then getting

1456
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 6: like ostracized and like a targeted and attacked for you

1457
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 6: brought us Trump and don't even think about talking about

1458
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 6: DACA because you brought us Trump. And I'm like, I

1459
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 6: don't remember you being there on the streets with us

1460
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 6: when we were fighting under Obama to get DACA pasted.

1461
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 6: You know, Like, so this idea that you know now

1462
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 6: that you're angry, now that you're showing up, that that

1463
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 6: suddenly erases all of the work that other people did

1464
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 6: is crazy. But and so I get a lot of

1465
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 6: the anger from even a lot of the women who

1466
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 6: are like, what's up with this moment that everyone's capitalizing

1467
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 6: on me revealing my story that cost me work and

1468
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 6: now you guys are all going, yeah, and we're gonna

1469
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 6: raise a bunch of money and do like it's like,

1470
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 6: you know, does that without really recognized maybe how that

1471
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 6: makes them feel is going, well, I get that, and

1472
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 6: how can we fix it. How can we make it

1473
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 6: better because people are showing up. I don't know what

1474
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 6: would have happened had the election gone differently, had the

1475
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 6: primaries gone I don't who knows all those different things.

1476
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 6: But what I do know right now is that people

1477
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,759
Speaker 6: around the world are pushing back because of Brexit, because

1478
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 6: of all of these different things that are going on

1479
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 6: around the world. We have tens of thousands, tens of millions,

1480
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,839
Speaker 6: you know, refugees around the world, and and a female

1481
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 6: robot that just got citizenship in Saudi Arabia and know

1482
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 6: Sophia the robot, and and also as a female, while

1483
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 6: people are fighting to have their gender recognized. Like that's

1484
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 6: a really like even as we're starting to catch up

1485
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 6: on our upsets and our issues of now it's about

1486
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 6: to go down in the next few years in a really,

1487
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 6: really big way, and we're still fighting for minimum wage upens.

1488
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 6: Like there's a lot of work to wrap our heads around,

1489
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 6: and we cannot keep looking past. And I can recognize

1490
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,640
Speaker 6: I could have absolutely been more constructive in my communication.

1491
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 6: I was very angry during the election because for me,

1492
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 6: I saw an opportunity to take money out of politics.

1493
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 6: That's what it was that the corruption that exists. The

1494
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 6: only way to change it is to take money out

1495
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 6: of politics. It's the it's the it's everything, and now

1496
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 6: it's that here and now it's here. So like, how

1497
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 6: do we work together? And if you're saying you were

1498
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 6: a united, you know together, stronger together kind of person,

1499
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 6: then that's then we need to do that right now,

1500
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 6: because this is we cannot keep being divided and angry

1501
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 6: and making this blue red whatever, you're deplorable, you're you

1502
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 6: know whatever, like, we cannot keep doing that. We are

1503
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 6: we are hurting ourselves. And the reality is most of

1504
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 6: us really want to see true progress. We want to

1505
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 6: see the environment change. We want to have we want

1506
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 6: our children to have access to things that we didn't

1507
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 6: have access to, and right now they're looking at less.

1508
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 6: It looks like twenty twenty, okay, And twenty twenty is

1509
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 6: gonna be the year of fixing everything that he took

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01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 6: us five ten years back on.

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01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 10: And looks like as well, like the progress might.

1512
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty, twenty twenty this midterm.

1513
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,959
Speaker 6: Time, but the midterm time, yeah too. But when it comes.

1514
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 2: To the to start twenty eighteen, we.

1515
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 6: Got to start right now. That's the whole point. And

1516
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 6: a lot of people have not paid attention to the

1517
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 6: local elections, which are where these people get their power first,

1518
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,919
Speaker 6: and they get their relationships, and they get their networks,

1519
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 6: and they get their lobbyists, and they get their revolving

1520
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,759
Speaker 6: door and their corporations and all this kind of stuff,

1521
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 6: and it removes them from the process. Because of all

1522
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 6: the developed countries in the world, we do not vote,

1523
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 6: we don't show up. That doesn't that doesn't exist in

1524
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 6: Australia and all these other places around world. It literally

1525
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 6: is baffling to see how many people pay attention and.

1526
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 8: Our credit is, like, we did well this this first

1527
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 8: primary that went on in New York, it went on

1528
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 8: New Jersey. Some things are changed, yes, and they're and

1529
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 8: they're continuing to do so. And that's what makes me

1530
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 8: so excited and and and and just so blown away

1531
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 8: by this moment. And I you know, and I'm and

1532
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 8: I want to keep pushing for more because I know

1533
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:52,799
Speaker 8: we need it, including from myself.

1534
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 6: You know. So I took a non violent communications course

1535
01:15:55,320 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 6: and I like, well, I don't mind getting locked up

1536
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 6: for a cause. I did that for you know, democracy

1537
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 6: awakening and pushing back to get money out of politics

1538
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 6: and to you know, to overturn the overturning of the

1539
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 6: Voting Rights Act, and like those are I'm always happy

1540
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 6: to be arrested for stuff like that is still act exactly.

1541
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 6: But you know, I think that there's there's just so

1542
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 6: many I mean, like young people and like just people

1543
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 6: in general. There's just access to information that you know,

1544
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 6: that other people just did not have before. We don't

1545
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 6: need This is a leader full moment, specifically because for

1546
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 6: the first time we don't need an individual leader. We

1547
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 6: can go and go to YouTube and watch Martin Luther

1548
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 6: King speak like we don't like, we don't we're not

1549
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 6: not right now. This is the moment where no one's waiting.

1550
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 6: You don't like, there's no excuse for your saying I'm

1551
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 6: waiting for this person to you know, move me and

1552
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 6: and make me feel like I need to get off

1553
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 6: my butt and vote or register or organize or do whatever.

1554
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 6: It's like look it up on YouTube and it's and

1555
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 6: you're watching it like that in the same way there

1556
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 6: you're watching something live, so it feels the same, like

1557
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 6: a better view and it's powerful. Like you know, but

1558
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 6: we've you know, those stories have been told in a way.

1559
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 6: You know, you look at you know, the the march

1560
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 6: on Washington and everyone's black and white, and everyone's so

1561
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 6: beautiful and dressed in suits, and like, you know, and

1562
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 6: and you know, we we have a day that recognizes

1563
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 6: it that we forget what a huge act of civil

1564
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 6: disobedience that was, you know, like we forget just how

1565
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 6: dangerous that actually was, and that that's actually required to

1566
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 6: really move forward. So uh so, Luke Cage, Actually the

1567
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 6: second season is really going to be amazing.

1568
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I got finished finished taping.

1569
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 10: Okay, you can't tell us nothing, of course not.

1570
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 6: I'm trying to go.

1571
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 2: Around when is it? When is it premiere? I don't know,

1572
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 2: actually really.

1573
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 6: Really can't tell us nothing. No, I actually really just

1574
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 6: don't know. And you're on your computer, you can look

1575
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 6: it up.

1576
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 2: Okay, powerful you know.

1577
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 6: What I mean? Like I love that show. Yeah, I mean,

1578
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 6: are good now.

1579
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 8: I was just gonna say, it's nothing like seeing a

1580
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 8: superhero and Harlem and seeing just those moments between the

1581
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 8: meth demands. It's just dope to have a hero as

1582
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 8: hip hop, yeah, and.

1583
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 6: Walking around being bulletproof and the hoodie's like participate in

1584
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 6: his community and doing it for hire too, Like that's

1585
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 6: like one of the interesting things about going is like

1586
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 6: I could why don't I get paid for this, like

1587
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 6: you know what I mean? And compensation and like people

1588
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:25,719
Speaker 6: who sacrifice and martyr themselves so much for the greater

1589
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 6: good and that's how we're raised to do. We forget

1590
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 6: to take care of ourselves. And it's like that. I

1591
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 6: really love that. Actually, the hero for higher kind of idea,

1592
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 6: Like that's all well and good, you can fly, but

1593
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,879
Speaker 6: I'm down here fighting petty crimes. I ain't no Batman

1594
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 6: sitting on a bunch of millions, you know what.

1595
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 2: I mean, like CrossFit, Bill Gates and ship.

1596
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 6: Because I didn't know that. But Black Panthers the richest

1597
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 6: character makes he's a prince because because of the what

1598
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 6: you call it, got more money, the metal that they

1599
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 6: make the I think that's so human.

1600
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 5: No, I forgot the name, the fictional name of it,

1601
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 5: but it's the medal that they have in Wakanda that

1602
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 5: that's how that's where the comes from.

1603
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 10: Not diamonds but metal metal.

1604
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 6: Yet, gotcha?

1605
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, I feel like by twenty twenty eight or

1606
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 4: twenty thirty two, you're probably going to run.

1607
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 2: For office hmmmm, is that what you want? I mean,

1608
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 2: it's as president? Why not?

1609
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 6: I don't know what if she wants it? But we

1610
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 6: had the governator. I'm really hoping Dwayne the Rock Johnson runs.

1611
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 6: We already have a wrestler as a governor, so why

1612
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 6: not John?

1613
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like, you know, in about fifteen years,

1614
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 4: you're going to just be full time. You got to

1615
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 4: jump in the pool to clean out. Yeah, I don't

1616
01:19:58,920 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 4: really clean out this one.

1617
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,560
Speaker 6: Would you be local? How you I would do? I

1618
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 6: want to thank you, my love, senator, like congress woman.

1619
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 6: Probably at some point, I mean down the line. If

1620
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 6: that it's something that shows up, I could see doing

1621
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 6: it right now. I'm more I'm still wanting to be

1622
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 6: in this space of storytelling and hiring and you know,

1623
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 6: working with really remarkable people and stretching myself as an

1624
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 6: artist and like maybe directing and producing and like being

1625
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 6: part of that shift of consciousness of storytelling and and

1626
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 6: who we you know, lift up in those stories.

1627
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 2: You know.

1628
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 6: I think that's really really important because the culture I

1629
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 6: think needs a dramatic shift, and that's that's a really

1630
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 6: important access point. But I could see, like when I

1631
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 6: get a little older running for the office.

1632
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 2: I'm calling it now your victory party.

1633
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 6: I am, well, you know, I gotta be you and

1634
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 6: Babito because I gotta lie right.

1635
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 4: Alternate, Fine, Okay, we're still a pop culture podcast. Yes,

1636
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 4: we're serious and we're political. So just in these final minutes,

1637
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:18,959
Speaker 4: just damn now, I feel.

1638
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 8: Like because has been in like two different well three

1639
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 8: different worlds for real, for real, but even on the

1640
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 8: music industry side of things, because you've had, like you said,

1641
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,839
Speaker 8: you've had a friendship with jay Z for over two decades,

1642
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 8: the same thing with a mirror. It's been an interesting

1643
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 8: ride for you in that way as well, Prince Prince

1644
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 8: as well.

1645
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 6: So that's funny. I had a whole question, well, so.

1646
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 8: On the strength of the sexual assault though, that's kind

1647
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 8: of I was going to go back to that and say,

1648
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 8: you know, do you see the differences and how long

1649
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,759
Speaker 8: it's going to take on that side of things versus

1650
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 8: the music part of things, like the movie versus music.

1651
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 6: You know, it's kind of like a time for the

1652
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 6: music industry, and do you see R Kelly's already getting

1653
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 6: and has been getting a lot of flak for a

1654
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 6: long time. Enough it never does anything, But I think

1655
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 6: that I mean, we're seeing it in so many different

1656
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 6: capacities because it's political, it's in the film industry, it's

1657
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:18,520
Speaker 6: with farm workers, it's with you know, our TV personalities.

1658
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 6: It's like, you know, I mean, I think there's a

1659
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 6: lot of spaces that are that are now being uh

1660
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 6: you know, looked at and transformed, and so no, I

1661
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 6: don't I don't think that there's any space right now

1662
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 6: that's invulnerable to being kind of held to a different standard.

1663
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 6: So I think that's actually really important. But again, that's

1664
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 6: our media and so many other things, and you know,

1665
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 6: it's people's bread and butter. That's the reason why so

1666
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 6: many of these producers got away with this behavior for

1667
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,719
Speaker 6: so long, because even though they make all their money

1668
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 6: from those actors and directors and all those different people,

1669
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 6: Like the producer is the one that's there for thirty years,

1670
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,759
Speaker 6: So the agent's like going to deal with that producer

1671
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 6: knowing full well they're giving up this actress to some

1672
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:59,839
Speaker 6: predator because they can replace her. That's do with the money,

1673
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 6: you know, Harry Weinstein paying for the Golden Globes for

1674
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 6: how many years, you know what I mean, and developing

1675
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 6: them specifically so that you know it was a gateway

1676
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 6: into the oscars.

1677
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 8: You know, on the flip side on the music business,

1678
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 8: which is kind of built on the backs. I mean,

1679
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 8: I think I say built on the backs, but in

1680
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 8: the last twenty thirty years, it's kind of been built

1681
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 8: on the backs of women in a way of looking

1682
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 8: at them in a certain way. To change the culture

1683
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,679
Speaker 8: in the office when the music and the visuals saying

1684
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 8: something different, it has to kind of bring the music

1685
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 8: industry back on a little further back than the movie business.

1686
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 6: To me, Yeah, but that's why some people a chance

1687
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 6: to rapper are so provocative and interesting right now, and

1688
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 6: Princess Nokia and people who are pushing back against that.

1689
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 6: That's why. You know, there's a history in that with

1690
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 6: music for a long time. How many incredible musicians from

1691
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 6: Motown times and whatever who were not paid even though

1692
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 6: they were the amazing singers. They were the ones that

1693
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 6: got people turning on their radios and paying attention, but

1694
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 6: they didn't write the music, so they ain't get any money.

1695
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 6: And how many of them, you know, La Loupe died

1696
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 6: alone penniless, you know what I'm saying, like pennyless, Like

1697
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 6: that's not okay. And these are some of the heroines

1698
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 6: and heroes of our culture that you know, has provocatively

1699
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 6: transformed all of us, but did not get recognized at

1700
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 6: the time. So there's there's a long history of that

1701
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 6: that has existed, and I think that's a big part

1702
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,839
Speaker 6: of it is having not you know, again, not siloing

1703
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 6: ourselves to this generation and going this is just what

1704
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 6: it looks like here, but really seeing the history there

1705
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 6: so that we can really learn from it and go

1706
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 6: no more, you know what I mean. It really it

1707
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 6: really takes that. But if you kind of keep us

1708
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 6: passing it on and accepting it and just kind of

1709
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 6: going that's just the way it is, then it'll continue

1710
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 6: to perpetuate.

1711
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 5: But prior to prior to this, to the met Too movement,

1712
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 5: were there conversations between actresses that, hey, you know, don't

1713
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 5: work with so and so, or if you work with

1714
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 5: so and.

1715
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 2: So aware.

1716
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 6: Years ago, you know what I mean. Like so, yeah,

1717
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 6: there's some of that and not as well, you know

1718
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 6: what I mean, because again we're really of kept from

1719
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 6: each other. We only see each other these awards shows oftentimes.

1720
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:05,799
Speaker 4: You know, it's top of that, Like I mean, Harvey

1721
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 4: was serious with this defense system and like you thought

1722
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 4: your life was on line.

1723
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 6: So still to this day, there are a lot of

1724
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 6: people who are really scared of like you know they

1725
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 6: have you know there are people there are because of

1726
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 6: all of these stories coming out. There were people being

1727
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 6: called by fake reporters, people who have been abused or

1728
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,480
Speaker 6: raped or attacked who were being called by fake reporters

1729
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 6: just to see just like not talk, you know what

1730
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 6: I mean, Like that's crazy, people who are being followed.

1731
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 6: H Argenta had to leave Italy. Like the idea that

1732
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 6: like this is still like just because we're in this

1733
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 6: incredible moment, like that these women who are coming forward

1734
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 6: to men who are coming forward or safe is still

1735
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 6: not I mean, we're in the thick of it.

1736
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 8: So have you prepared yourself for the Savannah Guthree moment?

1737
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 8: I like to say, because as we as more people

1738
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 8: are getting exposed, we are saying that they are closer

1739
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 8: and closer to us, or people that we might not

1740
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 8: have suspected, or just just more so eventually, if not

1741
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,640
Speaker 8: have already happened to you, somebody clothes may be accused

1742
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 8: or you know, may have a story.

1743
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 6: How do you handle that?

1744
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 8: As Rosario, because you are such a mouthpiece for this movement.

1745
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 6: I have been on the border of Videre, which is

1746
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 6: going to be twenty next well this year, and you know,

1747
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 6: the statistic is one in three women will be rape, killed,

1748
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 6: or beaten in her lifetime. So that means you know people.

1749
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 8: But how do you deal with knowing the person who's

1750
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 8: the rapist perpetrator?

1751
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know a lot of you perpetrators and rapists.

1752
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 6: Like that's just that's theory. I grew up around that,

1753
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like, it's what I would

1754
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 6: like to do is be able to get comfortable with

1755
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 6: the idea that they don't exist. But I've always suspected them,

1756
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 6: Like you know, that's the thing about trauma and abuse

1757
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 6: is that like it puts you in a position where

1758
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 6: I just especially because what do they always say when

1759
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 6: it's like the person who's raped their child or you know,

1760
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,600
Speaker 6: blocked up some kid in a basement, they are the

1761
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 6: nicest person you never would have suspected. So even if

1762
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 6: they're nice and they're great and they seem to have

1763
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:00,680
Speaker 6: a happy marriage and wonderful children, I'm still suspecting that.

1764
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 6: That's how I just grew. I grew up as an

1765
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 6: abused person. So like I you know, for me, it's

1766
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 6: you know, it's I'm I'm. It doesn't mean like I

1767
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 6: didn't know. I've worked with almost so many of the

1768
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 6: people who've already been named, and I didn't know the

1769
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 6: capacity to which a lot of them regardless of it,

1770
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 6: but I suspected them, even the ones who didn't seem

1771
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 6: skivier were like quote unquote the I just I pretty

1772
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 6: much suspect everybody because that's just most of my time

1773
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 6: is spent when I'm not working in activist circles, so

1774
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 6: I'm with women and children and men who were abused

1775
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 6: by the people who love them the most. No matter

1776
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 6: how much like I would, I would really like for

1777
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 6: me to to get to to exercise that demon for

1778
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 6: myself where I can actually just be with someone and

1779
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 6: not suspect them of something horrible, you know what I mean,

1780
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 6: Like I, you know, to just to to have that likeness,

1781
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 6: you know, to to to not have to bear that

1782
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 6: birden all the time of like having it's it is

1783
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 6: really heavy, and I know I recognize that in so

1784
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 6: many different people. And that's what's like. People want to

1785
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 6: just work. They don't want to be victims, they don't

1786
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 6: want to be so vivers. They want to just work,

1787
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 6: you know, and for some reason, these perpetrators go out

1788
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 6: there and then they kind of like lay low for

1789
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 6: a little bit and then they come right back up

1790
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 6: and make their money. But these women disappear, you know,

1791
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 6: these men disappear, and it's like that's not okay, Like

1792
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 6: that's the the whistleblowers need to be championed now, and

1793
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 6: that the conversation needs to be changed so that we

1794
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 6: can't just do really good work like one Billion Rising,

1795
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 6: which has been going on for a few years now

1796
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 6: with V Day is about celebrating the one billion women

1797
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 6: who are rape killed or beatn in our lifetime and

1798
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 6: going and the very first one was about dancing, like

1799
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 6: let's just have What would the world look like if

1800
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 6: women could go and get fetch water in Africa or

1801
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 6: go and be a you know, a waitress or change

1802
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 6: you know, change the linens in a hotel without fear

1803
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 6: of being raped. What would that look like? What art

1804
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 6: would be created? What harmony and beauty and love and

1805
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 6: celebration would we exist in vibration where we live in

1806
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 6: all the time without this understood accepted idea that we're vulnerable, Like,

1807
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 6: what would that look like, and let's show what that

1808
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 6: looks like rather than just being out there screaming like,

1809
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 6: oh we got to stop does violence. Let's dance and

1810
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 6: like transform from that way. And I think that's what's

1811
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 6: really beautiful, is like there's a lot of people were

1812
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 6: coming together because how many activists die alone, how many

1813
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 6: of them get cancer and do all these different things

1814
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 6: because they're so traumatized and they and it's horrible and

1815
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 6: it's not okay, and that needs to transform. There needs

1816
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 6: to be a lot more health. I know that for myself,

1817
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 6: how much how sick I was getting in the past

1818
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 6: couple of years, put myself in the hospital over it.

1819
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 6: You know, how many relationships and things that became really

1820
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 6: bad because I got more caustic and angry and resentful.

1821
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 6: And you know, I know, and I'm fine literally and

1822
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 6: even just the past couple of months of my learning

1823
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 6: to do that and what that truly means. And it

1824
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 6: doesn't mean that I haven't told that advice to other people,

1825
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 6: but I actually it just wasn't I didn't know how

1826
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 6: to do it. I've talked to this amazing transactivist Bambie

1827
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 6: talk about intersectionality, you know, and she was a sex worker,

1828
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 6: she's Latina, she's trans, she's I mean, so many different things.

1829
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 6: And then she's going, you know, I get a massage

1830
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 6: every two weeks, and I was like, that's that's not

1831
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 6: something to skip over. That's a really big deal. Because

1832
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,680
Speaker 6: even with all the success and things that I've had,

1833
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 6: getting a massage, going on a nice vacation, doing anything,

1834
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 6: I had a hard time, even on social media, saying

1835
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 6: I'm doing this awesome thing because I grew up with

1836
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 6: so many people and I still know so many people,

1837
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 6: including family, that are struggling to just put food on

1838
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 6: the table. And it just I grew up with martyrs,

1839
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,760
Speaker 6: you sacrifice, you didn't eat, shame, guilt, like you just

1840
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 6: grew up with that, and to like to be able

1841
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 6: to push bast that and just go, well, i'm getting

1842
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 6: sick all the time, I'm in pain all the time,

1843
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 6: and I do need to sleep, and I do need

1844
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 6: to eat well, and I do need to take care

1845
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 6: of myself because I can actually do all that other

1846
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 6: work better if I prioritize myself. And that's not something

1847
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 6: to feel bad about. But I didn't grow up that way.

1848
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 6: My grandmother didn't eat for you. She literally looked like mahogany.

1849
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 6: You actually would actually know that reference. I tell people

1850
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 6: do and they're like, what does that mean. I'm like,

1851
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 6: she looked emaciated for years because she all she did

1852
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:53,679
Speaker 6: was drink bustello and smoke cigarettes because she had five

1853
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 6: kids and she was a single parent and she had

1854
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 6: to make sure they ate. And my mom like took

1855
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 6: years ago to realize that the reason why she likes

1856
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 6: burnt meat and like the burnt rice is because she

1857
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 6: was always fed last. Wow, even though she had four

1858
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 6: brothers and it was a matriarcha household with her mother

1859
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 6: and grandmother, they always sped themselves last because of that

1860
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 6: sort of traditional men first kind of the psychological kind

1861
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 6: of insanity that that was. So it's like that's that

1862
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 6: was passed on to me, that that that idea of behavior.

1863
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:25,680
Speaker 6: And this is the first time because I don't want

1864
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 6: my daughter to sacrifice herself.

1865
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 10: How it is why Uncle Rad, I'll have to wash dishes.

1866
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 10: I don't want to stay.

1867
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 6: He just easy sits. You know, it's not my first job.

1868
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 6: Fifteen here's my money. Take it. I worked for that.

1869
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 6: That's my money. And you're a movement has to Texas

1870
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 6: almost ruin my whole last but like you know what

1871
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 6: I mean, Like it's it's it, but you just so

1872
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 6: that's what you're taught and raised. And I'm really pushing

1873
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 6: for a whole other Like it's beautiful, Like Climbing Poetry

1874
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 6: just got this incredible, huge parcel of land upstate New

1875
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 6: York and they've been working for five years with this

1876
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 6: like curriculum that they're building so people can learn about

1877
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 6: activism and advocacy and all these diferent kinds of things,

1878
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 6: but also built into it as health and wellness and

1879
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:06,600
Speaker 6: care and they have spaces for our aging activists to

1880
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 6: come and live and live out their time because they

1881
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 6: recognize climbing poetry. Is it beautiful? No, I'm just gonna

1882
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 6: look it up, but I think everybody else. Yeah, And

1883
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 6: it's really like there's stuff like that that is coming

1884
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 6: up that where people are really recognizing we can't keep

1885
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 6: sacrificing and martyring ourselves, you know, for Lacausa, like we

1886
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 6: actually have to really take care of usselves. We we

1887
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 6: want to have our elders. So have a trans person

1888
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 6: be older than thirty five is a revelation to have,

1889
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:34,600
Speaker 6: you know, the different activists that we have be in

1890
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 6: their eighties, like the Lord is a revelation because they

1891
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:39,600
Speaker 6: don't normally.

1892
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 2: Exist, right, you know, it's a miracle. Wow, we got

1893
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 2: it earful, like.

1894
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 8: We need Like you dropped a couple of organization names

1895
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 8: and things that I feel like people need.

1896
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, and also just because literally like coming here and

1897
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 6: made me again think about that dinner and like how

1898
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 6: much I've been reflecting on that lately, about like and

1899
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 6: I love how the story is so different from you,

1900
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 6: but I go back to that story all the time.

1901
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 6: I was just like walking out of there and it

1902
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 6: was the first time like I remember walking on and

1903
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 6: being like that was just abusive, that's terrible, And I

1904
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:34,600
Speaker 6: was like wait what oh wow, like it like the

1905
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 6: fact that that didn't like I didn't even appre like

1906
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 6: I was like, I just accepted it, like that was

1907
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 6: just normal. Members. This was a fun night that we

1908
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 6: all had dinner and laugh like I'm talking about And

1909
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,639
Speaker 6: then I was like, yeah, maybe everybody's showing each other's

1910
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:48,840
Speaker 6: scars from being hit with a or a cast I

1911
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,839
Speaker 6: heard pot from across the room at Charming.

1912
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1913
01:33:55,960 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 4: Boy, okay, so uh for of course you don't don't

1914
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 4: know when season two.

1915
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 2: Is coming over.

1916
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 6: You got your computer?

1917
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 2: What else are already googled the dates? Night out there yet? Okay,

1918
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 2: I'll hit up chair. See.

1919
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 6: Uh it happens here frequently.

1920
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 4: So what do you what do you have coming up

1921
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 4: in the future as far as projects are concerned, God,

1922
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 4: damn it, there's so much we didn't asked. We didn't

1923
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 4: ask about the Prince the nineteen damn it, let's ask.

1924
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 8: My weird question was about some.

1925
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 4: Won't Yeah, wait for us to do it anyway, our

1926
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 4: rapid fire last minute questions.

1927
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, how did you do that? Nineteen ninety nine? Uh?

1928
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 2: The poetry thing, Well, you've done a lot, you.

1929
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 6: Did because I talked to you about it at that time.

1930
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1931
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 6: At the time, I was like seen, I was shooting

1932
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 6: a film with Usher and Chicago, which I remember. I

1933
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 6: remember that.

1934
01:34:55,280 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 2: You probably see it. Yeah, film, I I've seen that

1935
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 2: one in the mix where he was the d J.

1936
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:02,640
Speaker 6: Got that.

1937
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:06,600
Speaker 5: She's all right, he was he was the DJ and

1938
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 5: she's all that. That was fucking funny though Little Kim

1939
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 5: was in that as well. She was the black she

1940
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 5: was the diversity higher Little Kim got that one. But yeah,

1941
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 5: you were Yeah, that's right. You weren't like, because that

1942
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:19,880
Speaker 5: was the one where we were a cop, right or

1943
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 5: you were the girlfriend of Usher.

1944
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 6: I thought like nineteen he was okay.

1945
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 5: Again, that was the one where like his dad was

1946
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 5: a cop or was a firefighter and died.

1947
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 6: Thing of like the Canada school was homeless school. Yeah,

1948
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 6: and then they got there was a you know, the

1949
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 6: it was the like shut down the space of security guard.

1950
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 2: Fort Whittaker was the cop. That's I remember that. All

1951
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 2: all Usher moves.

1952
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:48,280
Speaker 6: Ran Vanessa Williams like the principal william like, I hang

1953
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 6: on her daughter. You know you guys like lyon babe.

1954
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:56,760
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, So the nineteen ninety nine they called me.

1955
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 6: He called me out of the blue and said, I wrote,

1956
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 6: I'm doing the nineteen ninety nine remix album and I

1957
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 6: want you said you're the voice of a generation, and

1958
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 6: I want you to read this poem or piece because

1959
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 6: it would sound weird if I said it, so you

1960
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 6: should read it. And I was like, huh, exactly, la la,

1961
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 6: of course that makes sense. And then you know, so

1962
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 6: I got to go.

1963
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 8: To Paisley Park and everything was pretty Did marry him

1964
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 8: a basketball player?

1965
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 6: Did not? She did?

1966
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 2: Yes, Anthony.

1967
01:36:31,439 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 6: It was a joke. I'm sorry I.

1968
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 2: Was lost in my hand, but for the last reason,

1969
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 2: give me a reason to press this button. Amazing you

1970
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 2: were in Now I'm thinking about lighting up. Now watch

1971
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:01,559
Speaker 2: I might have to watch. Was there soundtrack to it?

1972
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 2: Was a usher movie?

1973
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:03,719
Speaker 10: A good soundtrack?

1974
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 2: Was right? Yeah, I'm gonna tell mynother to the check

1975
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 2: double up? So yeah. Like and also with how did

1976
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 2: you get on she Lives in My Lap?

1977
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 6: That was interesting because Andre three that wasn't ask me

1978
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 6: to be in a music video for that song, and

1979
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 6: I said sure and he was like, cool, So we're

1980
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 6: still doing some stuff on the song. Do you want

1981
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 6: to come by the studio? So then I came by

1982
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 6: the studio and he was like, you know, did you

1983
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 6: jump on the track? So then I jumped on the

1984
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 6: track and then we never did the video. I'm on

1985
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 6: the track.

1986
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 4: Interesting, okay, okay, So yeah, but I was going to say,

1987
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:44,520
Speaker 4: have you did you have any aspirations to.

1988
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 2: Sing and do that? Because you were also you did

1989
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 2: Shakespeare in the Park?

1990
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 6: You did which version of it? Yeah, two gentlemen of Verona.

1991
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 2: I wanted to see that.

1992
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 6: But Rent and yeah, I love singing. Actually, that's the

1993
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 6: thing I always wanted to do was sing And so

1994
01:37:57,880 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 6: when I did rent and I'm on set and I'm

1995
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,720
Speaker 6: singing and dancing and I'm getting paid for it, I

1996
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 6: was like, this is the most remarkable thing in the

1997
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:05,480
Speaker 6: entire world. I can't even believe it. This is incredible.

1998
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 6: So yeah, I still really love that. There's that's that's

1999
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:12,639
Speaker 6: a that's the space where it's like, you know, part

2000
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:14,559
Speaker 6: of that think part of the healing thing is just

2001
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 6: doing things that you actually love for no reason. I

2002
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 6: don't know I want to be like doing big tours

2003
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 6: or like, it's not like a career that I want

2004
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 6: to exploit that, but I just love singing, love dancing.

2005
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 4: You went to music music camp, No no, you told

2006
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 4: me wait when you did Josie and the Pussycats, like

2007
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:33,720
Speaker 4: they were teaching you how to.

2008
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:35,560
Speaker 6: Do play the base a little bit of electric.

2009
01:38:35,320 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 2: Bash, right, Okay, I thought they put.

2010
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 6: You through like a no, that would have been amazing,

2011
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 6: But that was one of those ones that are more

2012
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:44,400
Speaker 6: like eighties movie where they were like you're cast and

2013
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:46,760
Speaker 6: then here's the band that's actually going to be Now

2014
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:49,679
Speaker 6: you're gonna lip sing too well. Rents was actually us singing,

2015
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:50,639
Speaker 6: which was really amazing.

2016
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,680
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, no, I not the same thing.

2017
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 4: I liked Josie because it was real and you're thinking,

2018
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 4: you're saying Josy.

2019
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 6: Ahead of its time.

2020
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:05,680
Speaker 8: Did y'all see the new Josey? Y'all see what they

2021
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:06,639
Speaker 8: look like on Riverdale?

2022
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 2: Hell?

2023
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 6: Yeah? Do you watch Netflix? Like, do you have every

2024
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 6: shows on Netflix? Obviously? Yes? I just finished watching Sensate

2025
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:19,599
Speaker 6: that I met right every everything I want my seven

2026
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 6: other person to so mad they missed they switched to

2027
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:25,679
Speaker 6: African do but yes, it's everything. I want that so bad.

2028
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 6: I heard they just made like a big special like

2029
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:31,639
Speaker 6: movie whatever, so they canceled it and then but they

2030
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 6: did shoot something to kind of because it's kind of

2031
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 6: a cliffhanger that just left us song. But that is

2032
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:39,440
Speaker 6: like probably one of the most interesting kind of stories

2033
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 6: that I've seen in a long time. That wasn't like

2034
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:43,600
Speaker 6: a Black Mirror episode or Twilight Zone where I just

2035
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 6: got really Dugley art like it's so amazing, but like

2036
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 6: this was like really different, but like like I want that,

2037
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 6: like is that possible?

2038
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:56,599
Speaker 8: Like mostly evoking like I was moved and that sex

2039
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 8: looked so amazing.

2040
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 6: See that sex where I'm like, yeah, this is just

2041
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:08,920
Speaker 6: totally exploitative because it's the sexiest I mean, it's really

2042
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 6: they have an actual transactress, Like I mean, it's like

2043
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:14,040
Speaker 6: so it's diverse, it takes place over different parts of

2044
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 6: the world. There's accents in different languages and and like

2045
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 6: it's it's beautiful. It's kind of sense. It is like,

2046
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 6: I think my favorite thing that's existing out there in

2047
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 6: that sense I've ever seen I sci fi kind of

2048
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 6: idea like or whatever, Like you know, it's just, you know,

2049
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 6: I think that we could tap into that part of

2050
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 6: ourselves that we could you know, psychically connected and be

2051
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 6: bonded to other people in the world, and then we

2052
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 6: could tap into them. So it's like I don't need

2053
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:45,120
Speaker 6: to know kung fu or this or that, but like

2054
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 6: when I need that capacity and it really I think

2055
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 6: the message so beautifully of that is like really recognizing

2056
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 6: who you are and your value and doing that really

2057
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 6: powerfully and beautifully, and then sharing your space with the

2058
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 6: other interconnected people that you're in so that when like

2059
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:03,719
Speaker 6: it doesn't matter if you can't do that thing, because

2060
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 6: you know someone who can.

2061
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:07,480
Speaker 10: That Korea moment was so amazing. Like her story.

2062
01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:09,639
Speaker 2: The spoilers sorry, the.

2063
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:13,720
Speaker 6: Story not just saying her storyline was on that it is.

2064
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:15,720
Speaker 6: It's really powerful, beautiful.

2065
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:22,639
Speaker 2: On the trigger.

2066
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 6: That's what happened. Nobody watched you.

2067
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 2: One question we were talking about sex scenes.

2068
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 5: A question I always had for you was about Trance,

2069
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:32,519
Speaker 5: which I really loved that movie, Like I really I

2070
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:33,599
Speaker 5: really enjoyed that movie.

2071
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 2: The nude scene.

2072
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 6: What is an interesting contract? Yeah, going through that my

2073
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 6: lawyer and then being like, okay, so they cannot show

2074
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:48,280
Speaker 6: the literal hood, like this is a very interesting conversation.

2075
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:49,520
Speaker 6: I haven't even gotten.

2076
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:49,920
Speaker 2: On set yet.

2077
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:54,759
Speaker 6: Yeah. No, it's uh, you know, I'm I'm all for hair.

2078
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 6: So it made me mad that like it came off

2079
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:08,920
Speaker 6: y you know, so like you know that's but that's

2080
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:09,720
Speaker 6: the whole thing in the movie.

2081
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so how many times did you have to

2082
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:12,720
Speaker 5: take that?

2083
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 2: And how is it you in a room full of

2084
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 2: people or what's that like?

2085
01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it was as many people as like

2086
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 6: barely needed to be in there, you know what I mean.

2087
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:23,760
Speaker 6: It's always you know that that kind of stuff is

2088
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 6: usually done pretty well. Though it's not to say that

2089
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:30,679
Speaker 6: you know, on many different sets, many different people including myself,

2090
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 6: or not taking advantage of like changes on the day

2091
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:36,760
Speaker 6: that are actually illegal, but some oftentimes we don't know.

2092
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 6: H So you know, that's that's some of the interesting

2093
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 6: things about sitting down with Sag of just going, well,

2094
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 6: we need to have this on the books, and like

2095
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:46,599
Speaker 6: that does exist, and you're like, we don't know that

2096
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 6: the novice actress or actor going on set does not

2097
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 6: know that they have this right or not. You know,

2098
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:56,400
Speaker 6: but yeah, no on that one, I mean, it's it's

2099
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 6: I mean, that was definitely one of the most remarkable

2100
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 6: experiences I'd ever had, you know, when you think about

2101
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 6: Danny and the work that he's done, like going back

2102
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 6: to kids, like that was an amazing moment for Robert

2103
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 6: and Danny, and like there was just a group of

2104
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:13,799
Speaker 6: like that that was the a era of independent film

2105
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 6: and like this complete provocation of storytelling that hadn't existed before,

2106
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 6: and that definitely was built off the backs of people

2107
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 6: like you know, Cassavetti's and all that kind of stuff.

2108
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 6: But like it was a huge turning for you know, filmmaking.

2109
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 6: And I got to work with that person. Wow, And

2110
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:29,519
Speaker 6: like you know in the and I've gotten to work

2111
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 6: with a lot of those people, you know, so it's

2112
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:33,360
Speaker 6: like everyone to Kevin Smith. You know, like, so you're

2113
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:37,839
Speaker 6: on set with these folks who have really totally different

2114
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:40,519
Speaker 6: kind of you know, like who came there as like

2115
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 6: nerds and like film lovers and like you know, really

2116
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 6: changed storytelling in a lot of ways. And so you're

2117
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 6: on set with Spiker this you know, like I got

2118
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:50,600
Speaker 6: to be on these sets with people who were you know,

2119
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 6: really created an environment where you're showing up and you're

2120
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 6: rehearsing and you're taking it super seriously, like and they're

2121
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 6: established and they've done something. So it's not the same

2122
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:02,599
Speaker 6: thing as like a lot of you know, first time

2123
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 6: directors or the things that I've worked with, which is

2124
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:07,200
Speaker 6: a whole other experiences was really powerful and you know,

2125
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 6: pushes you to and challenges you in different ways. But

2126
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:13,000
Speaker 6: this one is like, you know, these are people who

2127
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:14,760
Speaker 6: you know, can say we're going to have a couple

2128
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 6: of weeks of rehearsal and we're going to do this

2129
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:18,679
Speaker 6: and this is what we you know, and like get

2130
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:23,040
Speaker 6: like incredibly, you know, I'm on on you know, on

2131
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:26,639
Speaker 6: on twenty fifth hour Man with some of the most

2132
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:31,439
Speaker 6: amazing actors and like people and their process so different

2133
01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:34,880
Speaker 6: and like that's you know, that's been my acting school.

2134
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,679
Speaker 6: I've learned so much from so many of the people

2135
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 6: that I've had the opportunity to work with.

2136
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 5: So a question about twenty fifth hour. I need to

2137
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 5: know the part where you're on the couch and you're

2138
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:44,719
Speaker 5: eating cheese whiz.

2139
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:45,760
Speaker 2: Was that scripted or.

2140
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:47,600
Speaker 6: Honey cheese with Was it?

2141
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:48,880
Speaker 2: Was it.

2142
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 6: Whizz?

2143
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:53,720
Speaker 2: I think she would know. No, no, no, I'm trying

2144
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 2: to remember.

2145
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 5: Was it was the Maybe it looked like the container

2146
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:00,760
Speaker 5: was cheese whiz. It might have been honey in it,

2147
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 5: but I can specifically remember it was.

2148
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:04,799
Speaker 2: I thought it was cheese whiz.

2149
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:07,679
Speaker 7: An important moment in that movie.

2150
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 2: It's very important.

2151
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 7: I mean, whether it's a cheese wiz or honey.

2152
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 5: Well, no, no, Well, this is why all these years

2153
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,719
Speaker 5: I thought the ship was All these.

2154
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:22,559
Speaker 6: Years I thought you had actually you met home where

2155
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 6: recently I saw one of your story, Yes, I thought.

2156
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:31,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was, he wasn't.

2157
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 5: All these years I thought it was cheese whiz, and

2158
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 5: I thought it was a great detail because I thought.

2159
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:38,679
Speaker 6: I've seen the movie in a long time.

2160
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:42,679
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure. But I love the fact that was honey.

2161
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:46,080
Speaker 6: And if it's not, it was. But I'm pretty.

2162
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:50,479
Speaker 2: Random detail of yo. But that's the type of duty is.

2163
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:51,599
Speaker 6: I love it like.

2164
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 5: No, because what it resonated me, like the message that

2165
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:56,679
Speaker 5: I took from it or that the time was that

2166
01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 5: you can have like a woman that's like as fine

2167
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 5: as your dawson, but she cheese was out the jaw

2168
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:08,760
Speaker 5: and she can steal something disgusting like that.

2169
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:10,160
Speaker 2: That ship is horrible.

2170
01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:10,799
Speaker 6: It is horrible.

2171
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:14,760
Speaker 5: Jesuis is not a food like that ship is a

2172
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:15,840
Speaker 5: that's a let feeling.

2173
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 2: Man, No, I hear you. Yeah, y'all got that. But

2174
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:20,880
Speaker 2: I thought it was I thought it was cheese was

2175
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 2: all these years amazing? But I thought that was just

2176
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:24,800
Speaker 2: a great to go back. I'm pretty sure it was

2177
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 2: now i'm watching today.

2178
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:30,680
Speaker 6: Maybe maybe peanut butter, but I can't imagine it was.

2179
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 4: Okay, So yeah, I are you singing fame right now?

2180
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 6: Singing peanut butter, jelly Pi, That's what I thought.

2181
01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 2: Singing a song from fame.

2182
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 4: As far as your your your acting career or your

2183
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:47,040
Speaker 4: entertainment career, like, are there anything? Are there anything? Is

2184
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 4: there anything left that you've yet to conquered that you

2185
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:51,840
Speaker 4: wish to do?

2186
01:46:52,479 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 6: I always film or behaving chest of Corset drama, heaving, heaving, chests. Yo,

2187
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:05,240
Speaker 6: that's so funny because it's a classic piece of every

2188
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 6: I want to do some really dope, like fun comedy

2189
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 6: stuff as well. Like I really love that I got

2190
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:11,600
Speaker 6: to do that with Top five, and I've had some

2191
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:14,600
Speaker 6: opportunities and stuff like that, but like you know, like

2192
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:17,880
Speaker 6: I love I love that world. It's such a different

2193
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:20,439
Speaker 6: timing and energy and kind of pushing myself in that way.

2194
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:20,800
Speaker 8: You do that.

2195
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 6: I love, I love top Did you already have your

2196
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 6: haircut like that?

2197
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:26,600
Speaker 2: Or was it.

2198
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 6: Was like, I'm not one of the things. I was like,

2199
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:31,920
Speaker 6: I am not as New York is gonna be one

2200
01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:33,760
Speaker 6: hundred and eight degrees, I am not wearing a wig.

2201
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 6: I will be miserable you and he was like, if

2202
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 6: you do this movie, I will be fine with your

2203
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:41,880
Speaker 6: hair like that. And then it was interesting. I remember

2204
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 6: I had wanted to cut my hair like that for

2205
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:46,080
Speaker 6: a really long time, and then I ended up doing

2206
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 6: it for Sin City two and then thinking this is

2207
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 6: going to cost me a lot of work, and then

2208
01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 6: I ended up being able to wear it in Top

2209
01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 6: five and in dareduble Oow. It was a whole big

2210
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:00,840
Speaker 6: thing with Marvel for a really really long time about

2211
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 6: what to do with my hair And then they were

2212
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:05,519
Speaker 6: like who cares? And I was really surprised. And then

2213
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 6: I realized how dark they were shooting it and you

2214
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 6: don't even notice it.

2215
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 4: That's something I've never even thought about, Like you do

2216
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:13,040
Speaker 4: you have to warn your agent like I think I

2217
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:14,880
Speaker 4: want to go blind today or oh yeah.

2218
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:16,680
Speaker 6: They were like everyone was freaked out because it's like,

2219
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:19,880
Speaker 6: you know, I you know Sin City two. I think

2220
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:21,560
Speaker 6: I shot like three days on.

2221
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:22,519
Speaker 2: They were like, you're.

2222
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 6: Cutting or shaping your head for three days? Do you

2223
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:27,880
Speaker 6: know how long that's gonna take to How long is it?

2224
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 6: But you can't fake that? Like it's gotta wanted to

2225
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 6: show up and do something fun for the movie?

2226
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:34,840
Speaker 2: How long does it take to grow back to it.

2227
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:36,720
Speaker 6: Actually grew for me. My hair grows really fast, so

2228
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:38,840
Speaker 6: it was like another in like a year, my hair

2229
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:40,120
Speaker 6: was already half.

2230
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:42,320
Speaker 10: As long as a black girl. That's gonna take another

2231
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:43,639
Speaker 10: ten years they come back.

2232
01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 2: All right? So you want to do a comedy and

2233
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:52,280
Speaker 2: an a period piece with I want.

2234
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:54,639
Speaker 6: To produce more. I want to tell stories that I'm

2235
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:55,840
Speaker 6: not necessarily acting in.

2236
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 10: What is the story you want to make?

2237
01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 6: First? I am telling you, Okay, let somebody else it.

2238
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just.

2239
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:04,360
Speaker 6: Totally the way that it is. But I have like

2240
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:06,960
Speaker 6: shows that I want to create and and and all

2241
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 6: types of things. I think it's just really important because again,

2242
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 6: like to see the movies and the reflection of the

2243
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:15,280
Speaker 6: type of storytelling and the casting that I want to see,

2244
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 6: and to just wait around for someone else to put

2245
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 6: that together not gonna happen. So like you have to

2246
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:22,320
Speaker 6: make it happen. And that's what I really want to do.

2247
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:27,719
Speaker 2: We're power to you. Thanks from your enough to your ears.

2248
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:29,920
Speaker 6: When I call you for that soundtrack.

2249
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 2: That I just want to, I just want to.

2250
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 6: I know you long since passed the balking out of Ford.

2251
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:50,639
Speaker 2: I just want to j K. T. Raley on Black Streets.

2252
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:56,639
Speaker 5: I just want to tell you again, going back to Trance,

2253
01:49:56,760 --> 01:49:59,719
Speaker 5: you set a line in there that like really changed

2254
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:00,000
Speaker 5: my life.

2255
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm serious, man, it's real ship to be angry, it

2256
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 2: is to be a victim.

2257
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 5: And like that totally changed my outlook on like the

2258
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,600
Speaker 5: way I look at anger, like we never have to

2259
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:14,599
Speaker 5: pull myself getting angry.

2260
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 2: I think myself, like, am I really victim and the ship? No?

2261
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 2: I ain't no victim?

2262
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 6: That well, Marvin said that best you know, destroy yourself,

2263
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:41,679
Speaker 6: you children for rage. Okay, so I'm just I'm taking

2264
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:44,560
Speaker 6: it's a sin to treat your body bad. Yeah, I

2265
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 6: I really I've been listening to that song and I

2266
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:52,679
Speaker 6: said those lines, and I still succumbed to the devil

2267
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 6: of anger really, really fiercely these past couple of years.

2268
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:58,960
Speaker 6: And I think it's just because I did not actually

2269
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:03,120
Speaker 6: really have the access or words to really understand the

2270
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:04,600
Speaker 6: space that I was in and what I needed to

2271
01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:08,160
Speaker 6: do to meet my needs so that that wouldn't happen.

2272
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:09,080
Speaker 2: Do you go to therapy?

2273
01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 6: I've taken some, and but really I have to say

2274
01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:17,200
Speaker 6: the Non Violent Communications book that exists has been really

2275
01:51:17,240 --> 01:51:22,360
Speaker 6: powerful to recognize what are faux feelings like disrespect, Like

2276
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:25,000
Speaker 6: you can't feel disrespect, you can feel anger because your

2277
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:28,040
Speaker 6: need for respect is not getting met, and like those

2278
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:30,519
Speaker 6: are different things. So, like, you know, it's not about

2279
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:32,360
Speaker 6: blame or judgment. The only thing that's kind of hokey

2280
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:34,840
Speaker 6: about it is like they have they say it's either

2281
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:39,240
Speaker 6: jackal speak or giraffes speak. So internally your inner critic,

2282
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:42,560
Speaker 6: or how you yell at someone else, or how you

2283
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:45,240
Speaker 6: self empathize, you give other empathy jackals because you know

2284
01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 6: the spitting, biting are and then the giraffe because they

2285
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:50,720
Speaker 6: have perspective and they have one of the largest hearts

2286
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 6: in the animal kingdom to reach all of those extremities.

2287
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 6: But otherwise, it's about needs and really recognizing what true

2288
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:00,479
Speaker 6: needs are, like for respect and community. And it goes

2289
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 6: beyond for me what I was taught survival, especially growing

2290
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 6: up in a spot. It's about food, water, sheltering, but

2291
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:12,799
Speaker 6: like love, friendship, shared reality, connection, community, compassion, those are needs.

2292
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 6: Like a child will die if it's not touched, you know,

2293
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:18,960
Speaker 6: it needs. We need each other, and those are the

2294
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:21,479
Speaker 6: things that I've always forfeited for these strategies, and I

2295
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 6: finally learned that I need to warn when something's not

2296
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:27,640
Speaker 6: getting met, not just keep bashing my head at it

2297
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 6: and trying to make it or force it to happen,

2298
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:32,160
Speaker 6: or sacrifice to make it happen. It's about going, Okay,

2299
01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:35,519
Speaker 6: the strategy isn't working, and I have to figure out

2300
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:38,439
Speaker 6: another avenue to get my need men. And that's that's

2301
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:40,639
Speaker 6: something I've just picked up in the past couple months,

2302
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 6: which has been really life changing. Thank you for nonviolent

2303
01:52:45,479 --> 01:52:48,920
Speaker 6: Communication by Marshall Rosenberg, who died unfortunately, but he would.

2304
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 6: Do you know conflict resolution? I mean like you're talking

2305
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:57,320
Speaker 6: about with like tribes that had been generationally fighting each

2306
01:52:57,360 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 6: other and you killed my son, so I killed your

2307
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:00,200
Speaker 6: son and being able to sit there and go, Can

2308
01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:02,599
Speaker 6: you at least both agree that your need for safety

2309
01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:05,519
Speaker 6: is not being met, which is why then you're being

2310
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:08,559
Speaker 6: violent with each other. Can we just agree and then

2311
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 6: just to that so that we could see each other

2312
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:13,639
Speaker 6: as our humanity and we can figure out a way

2313
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:16,160
Speaker 6: to communicate and negotiate for both of our needs to

2314
01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 6: be met rather than just beating each other and fighting

2315
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:22,600
Speaker 6: each other indefinitely. And there is an audio book, So

2316
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:26,439
Speaker 6: thank you for You're very welcome. Wow, man, that the

2317
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:31,559
Speaker 6: more you know and knowing us at the battle, Jeffrey

2318
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:32,320
Speaker 6: aid Joe.

2319
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:34,479
Speaker 2: All right, So any more questions about.

2320
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:45,960
Speaker 6: Isaac Joe Jeffrey is Yeah, Joe was Jeffrey Isaac Joe?

2321
01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:46,719
Speaker 2: He wasn't.

2322
01:53:50,800 --> 01:54:00,360
Speaker 6: Did you know that gullible isn't in the dictionary? Family?

2323
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 4: Now, wait a minute, before we signed off, this one

2324
01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:13,160
Speaker 4: question I have to ask, how in God's name did

2325
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:17,360
Speaker 4: you get pre we're going to play nice and friendly

2326
01:54:17,439 --> 01:54:17,880
Speaker 4: with each other?

2327
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:18,759
Speaker 2: Guns and roses?

2328
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:22,799
Speaker 4: How did you get them motherfuckers to play your birthday

2329
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:25,880
Speaker 4: party at that club.

2330
01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 6: Like Axel Axel, Yeah, and it was incredible, like for

2331
01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:33,440
Speaker 6: your thirtieth absolutely no, it was like twenty seventh or

2332
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:34,040
Speaker 6: twenty eighth.

2333
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:35,360
Speaker 2: Birthday because your mom hit me up.

2334
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:37,880
Speaker 4: It was like something the Roses going to play at

2335
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:39,240
Speaker 4: the at the and I was like, wait, the club

2336
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:42,240
Speaker 4: only holds, like I know, it was really several hundred.

2337
01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:45,360
Speaker 4: I was like, I think about this something. I think

2338
01:54:45,400 --> 01:54:48,080
Speaker 4: a fight happened between Tommy he Will figure and some

2339
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:49,520
Speaker 4: and they.

2340
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:54,720
Speaker 6: Were sat at the same booth and like Tommy's girlfriends

2341
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 6: got like offended because I think Axel sat down and

2342
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:01,600
Speaker 6: moved her drink or whatever, and Tommy like leapt over

2343
01:55:01,680 --> 01:55:03,840
Speaker 6: the table. Mom mom was standing there and watching. She

2344
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:05,680
Speaker 6: was like, yo, he tried to eat Axel.

2345
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 10: Rose would have.

2346
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:10,080
Speaker 2: Never thought that for him.

2347
01:55:10,120 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 6: And then and then the security threw him out because

2348
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 6: it was like, sorry to break it to you, but

2349
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:17,400
Speaker 6: this is Axel's night, like he's gonna perform, and it

2350
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:19,680
Speaker 6: was amazing because I remember we asked and then of

2351
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:22,320
Speaker 6: course he said no because it was it would be

2352
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:25,080
Speaker 6: an acoustic performance and he'd never done an acoustic performance

2353
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:27,879
Speaker 6: and then he came back and was like, you know what, Actually,

2354
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:31,320
Speaker 6: I've never done an acoustic performance. That would be really cool.

2355
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:34,800
Speaker 6: And it was his idea to put the lyrics of

2356
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:38,880
Speaker 6: his music like karaoke styles scrolling in the back because

2357
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:41,280
Speaker 6: he didn't go on until super late, and he knew

2358
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:45,760
Speaker 6: everyone was gonna be really drunk, stupidly horribly inefficiently screaming

2359
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:48,040
Speaker 6: the lyrics into his face and it's so small, they

2360
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:49,640
Speaker 6: would all be like right on top of each other.

2361
01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:51,440
Speaker 6: He was like, I am not going to painfully go

2362
01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:54,760
Speaker 6: through that. And then it was like he dedicated. He

2363
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:58,840
Speaker 6: sang to me, he's saying happy birthday. He dedicated sweet

2364
01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:00,600
Speaker 6: Childmund to me in November.

2365
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:04,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it was like, amazing, I'm gonna ask again.

2366
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:08,720
Speaker 6: My friend Jamison was had they were doing something in town.

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Speaker 6: He was like, should I ask? And I was like yeah,

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Speaker 6: And then I guess he was just the timing. He

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Speaker 6: just thought, and he came out and he was and

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Speaker 6: he was corn roll. That was amazing. That was like

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Speaker 6: childhood like amazing.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, yeah, I couldn't believe that happened that night.

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Speaker 6: I love you, this is fun.

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Speaker 2: Well, I need you to throw parties from me nobody

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Speaker 2: will come.

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Speaker 6: You got a couple months. I'm inviting you. You need

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Speaker 6: to come through when we yo. So I have a

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Speaker 6: fashion line based in Ghana. We're across we do all

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Speaker 6: our teasonal stuff and we've been doing this for a

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Speaker 6: few years now and we just did an awesome fashion

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Speaker 6: show in September in New York and it was incredible.

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Speaker 6: One of my friends invited Paula Aduwel and it was

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Speaker 6: like incredible. Jojo Abbott performed I.

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Speaker 8: May.

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Speaker 6: It's called Studio one eighty nine. And our whole thing

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Speaker 6: is fashion Rising, so going and getting people work so

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Speaker 6: that then they can put their own kids through school,

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Speaker 6: so it's sustainable, you know, activism and advocacy, and it's

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Speaker 6: been amazing. We're based in a crowd. We have a

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Speaker 6: store in New York and Elizabeth Street and between Houston

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Speaker 6: and Bleeker and we do men's and women's and home

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Speaker 6: and indigo and bautique and it's really beautiful. And someone

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Speaker 6: invited Paula Abdul and our whole like fashion show is

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Speaker 6: like a dance party. It was incredible and like everyone

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Speaker 6: like Jesse Boykin's at Third was in it. And we've

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Speaker 6: had like Delphine Diala's taken photographs for us and like

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Speaker 6: Lion Babe is shown. I mean, we've had like incredible

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Speaker 6: people who are you know, young Paris and people over

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Speaker 6: the years. Princess Nokia just came to our spot in

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Speaker 6: in in a larda and I came through. Most has

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Speaker 6: come through and like thrown on some of our you know,

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Speaker 6: indigo kimonos and stuff and that's really dope. But like

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Speaker 6: you know, I want you to come because I think

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Speaker 6: you'd really love it. And it was amazing because we

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Speaker 6: had this dance party and then Paul Abdul was there

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Speaker 6: and she started dancing with me and I was like,

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Speaker 6: oh my god, who would have known I needed to

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Speaker 6: create an artisanal African clothing brands and got to live

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Speaker 6: about my childhood dream of dancing with these clothes.

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Speaker 10: Are amazing.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Brima, I will tell her Brima you said

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Speaker 6: some Okay.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much of Rosario for coming on Seal.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: We learned a lot, and I still say a lot

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Speaker 4: to think about. I still say that you're running for president?

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Speaker 6: I would I really the idea of being president is

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01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:00,480
Speaker 6: so scary to me because the second art work. You've

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01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:04,000
Speaker 6: got let on your hands the second you start as

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Speaker 6: a senator or congress person, though, I could be start

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Speaker 6: fighting from day one because war is not peace, so

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Speaker 6: I could be fighting against having that. So that's why

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Speaker 6: that looks interesting to me.

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Speaker 4: Okay, congress Woman Dawson, Senator Dawson, Senator Dawson, and uh

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Speaker 4: DJ and that after.

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Speaker 6: Party, that's the first one to be DJ wika DJ.

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Speaker 2: Senator Dawson.

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Speaker 6: I want to be like a hype woman. Yeah, y'all.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, after party, anyway on behalf of Fonticolo, Boss Bill Sugar,

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Speaker 4: Steve sweet Feet and.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Rizario quest Love signing off and we'll see

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Speaker 2: you in the next Cora. Thank you.

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