WEBVTT - Crop Circles 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:06.640 You're listening to Hoax, a production of iHeart Podcasts. Folks. 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:20.800 It's a huge wet us to see you there. Welcome 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.239 to Hoax, a podcast about the lies we wish were. 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:25.160 True and truths that sound like lies. 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:26.800 I'm the ghost of Danish Swartz and. 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:31.080 I'm the evil twin of Lizzy Logan. Welcome to the show, Lizzie, 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:32.800 thank you for having me. This is your week. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:34.160 I don't know why I jumped into start. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.040 No, because you were excited. That's all good. 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:36.839 I am excited. 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.320 It's great. I'm really excited about this hoax because I 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.320 think it is the epitome of a lie we wish 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.240 was true and a truth that sounds like a lie. Great, 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:47.879 so let's just get into it. 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:48.280 DAYA. 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:53.080 What do you know about crop circles and absolutely nothing? Well, 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:53.760 you know what they are. 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.560 Yeah, they're giant circles and crops or shapes that people 0:00:57.640 --> 0:00:59.200 think were caused by aliens. 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:00.600 Some people think so. 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.480 Honestly, I'm delighted because this is one of those things 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.560 where I've just like, I've never looked I'm like, I'll 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.200 just take a pass on this one. I've just never 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.200 looked into it. But I do find it interesting. 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.759 They are interesting, And the more I thought about this topic, 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:17.160 the more interested I became, because I think crop circles 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:23.160 get put in the same category of I guess like pseudoscience, 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:29.600 as like Bigfoot and the Lockness Monster and flatter Earth 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.679 and like hollow moon theories. But if you look into 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.480 any of those, and we might cover one of those 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.920 on the podcast one day, But if you look into 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.039 any of those, when you get to the end of 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.560 the line, the answer is just like, no, it's not. Yeah, no, 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:45.760 it's not like this is a picture of Bigfoot. No, 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.440 it's not this is evidence that the Earth is flat. 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.480 It's not. Crop circles are real. There are crop circles. Yeah, 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.680 these formations exist, and so you can actually talk about 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:01.040 them in sort of like a more grounded way where 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.000 you're talking about a thing that is real and we 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.200 just don't know how it got there, who made it, 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:06.680 what properties it possesses. 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:10.320 But there are crop circles. I mean, that is fun. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:12.720 Have you I hope you have the answers? 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:12.799 Know. 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.880 Have you watched any of the Netflix TV show I 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:17.560 think it's called Ancient Apocalypse. 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.240 No, I've seen clips of the show Ancient Aliens that 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.520 gets it's from history channel and gets circled around sometimes. 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.400 Yeah, this is different. This is a thing that, like 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.360 my husband Ian sort of keeps on is like a 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:32.000 guilty pleasure where it's like a guy says like pseudo 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.760 scientific things that if you think about them for five seconds, 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.400 they're not actually true. But he's like what if And 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.639 he speaks like that voice and there's a lot of 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.600 zooms and effects and a lot of filler to say 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.959 absolutely nothing. He was talking about a circle that he 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:50.040 is positing some ancient civilization made and he's like, how 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.919 could they have made a circle this big without tools? 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.800 And I'm like, a circle is the easiest thing to make. 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.760 You put a steak in the ground, you have a string, 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.760 and you walk. Yeah, any anyone could do that. 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.320 If you get a group of kindergarteners and you say 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.119 make a perfect circle, they all hold hands and they 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.519 just walk out until their hands are like as taut 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.000 as possible and they're in more or less a perfect circle. 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.000 One hundred percent children can do it. And again, all 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.000 you need to make a perfect circle is a steak 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:26.080 and a string. And this man was just like, and 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:30.440 how would they have done a mathematically perfect circle? And 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:33.560 it is, I guess entertains people that there is just 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.320 like it just fills an hour. It's a lot of filler, 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:41.440 it's a lot of b roll. But whoof sometimes you 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:42.840 need to think critically. 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:47.560 No kidding, yeah, all right, So there is a very 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:55.080 famous within crop circle circles wood cutting from sixteen seventy 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:59.520 eight that purports to show evidence of a crop circle. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:03.880 It doesn't really, but people mention it as like, well, 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:08.880 there's reports of this stuff going back years. Sure, the 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.240 reports of crop circles up until the middle of the 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.800 twentieth century are very few and far between, and I'm 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:16.640 not going to talk about any of them. I'm only 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:22.279 going to talk about crop circles, specific crop formations that 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.040 are verified great and most of them we have pictures of. 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.800 Nothing in this episode is based on ai. Nothing in 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.640 this episode is based on photoshop. Everything that I'm going 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:34.839 to talk about in this episode like there was a 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.320 thing there, right, Really, the story of crop circles starts 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.480 in nineteen sixty three. Okay, A letter appears in a 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.960 science jourtle describing a circular crater that suddenly appeared in Charlton, 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.600 which is in Wiltshire, which is in South England, and 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.760 Wiltshire is going to be the place where ninety nine 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:54.120 percent of the action happens. 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:55.360 Wiltshire got it. 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:02.400 Wiltshire is also where Stonehenge is. I've been and Averabury Hinge? 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:03.839 Do you go to the other Hinge? 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:05.400 I don't think I had time to go to the 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:06.080 other Henge. 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.680 Three years later, in nineteen sixty six, George Pedley is 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:13.039 working his farm in Tully, Australia, and he finds what 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.039 he calls a nest of reeds in a swamp. They've 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.840 all been knocked over into this like circle formation. And 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.159 both of these accounts from the sixties are printed in 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:27.440 newspapers with like some speculation about UFO. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.960 So I'm trying to envision what this is, and it 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.919 like it's something heavy plopped down on it and like 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.360 knocked all these things over in a circle. 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.640 Are you asking what actually happened or what people believe 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.760 what it looks like happened. The crop whatever it is 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.640 is bent over kind of at the bottom. Oh okay, 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.840 So it's like as if you took like a like 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.480 a big roller and like rolled everything around. 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.440 Got it? So, yeah, it was something pushing it, not 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.560 everything coming down from the sea from the sky at once. 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.520 Death right, So people think like maybe it is a 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.320 landing spot for an alien spacecraft, because like maybe that's 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.719 how alien spacecrafts work, they're like covercrafts or whatever. 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:05.520 Maybe it lands in a circle. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.599 Yeah, maybe it has you know, if you picture sort 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.440 of like an upside down helicopter almost you can imagine 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:15.000 how a whirling propeller might knock things over in like 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.440 a you know, clockwise or counterclockwise fashion. 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:18.400 Yeah. 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.920 So both of these are printed in the newspaper alongside 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:27.080 some UFO speculation. Although for mister Pedley who's in Australia, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.920 Australia has these things called williwillies which are like little 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:35.599 dust devils, like they're a little mini tornadoes almost, and 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.919 everyone's like that's just left over from a Williwilli. So 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.440 like there already is another explanation, but these are the 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:47.719 early sightings. In nineteen seventy eight, Lieutenant Colonel Jesse Marcel 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:49.840 gives an interview saying that he was part of the 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.279 cleanup team at Roswell, New Mexico, in nineteen forty seven, 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.960 and he thinks that the debris found there is extraterrestrial 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.960 and this has basically nothing to do with crop circles 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.760 except that it sets off like the UFO mania of 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:09.640 the eighties. In nineteen eighty circles start cropping up in Westbury, 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:14.080 which is in Wiltshire, and they're just circles. So Wilcher 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.520 is where the Averbury hinges, it's where stonehenges, and it's 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:21.600 also where Silbury Hill is, which is like a very 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:25.800 old man made hill that people think maybe in ancient 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.640 times was like used for rituals or it was some 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.720 sort of important place. But basically there's a lot of 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.160 spooky stuff happening in Wiltshire. 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:40.040 Archaeologists love to say ritualistic purposes for rituals or not. 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.760 But like, why would you make a hill There's already 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:43.880 plenty of hills in this area. 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:48.560 Rituals obviously, I guess it just feels like a catch all. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.080 If you're an archaeologist who doesn't know an answer, or 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.240 an anthropologist, you're like, obviously a ritual of some sort. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:08:00.160 In nineteen eighty three, some circles are found in this 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.880 place called cheese foot Head fun which I really liked, 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:04.960 And I'll show you a picture. 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.320 Okay, I'm getting a better idea. I think I was 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:13.320 imagining them just as like circles, but just the circumference. 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.000 But it's the entire wing, the whole. It's like a 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.280 filled in circle. Yeah, because an area. 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.280 It's the full circle. It's not just someone walked around 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:22.400 on the outside of a circle. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.040 No. So this is nineteen eighty three cheese foothead. And 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.800 then in the late eighties there's like a triple one. 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:31.239 Can I ask. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.240 How big are these in these photos? It's sort of 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:34.959 hard to gage the size. 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:39.440 They're all different sizes, but they're like pretty big. They're 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.880 later on we're gonna get to crop formations that are 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.400 like the size of multiple football field. Yeah, this is 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.240 not that. Yeah, this is. 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.240 Looks like maybe like ten yards. 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.480 Yeah, maybe like a diameter of like ten to twenty 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.199 yards of the big one. And then there's a couple 0:08:58.240 --> 0:08:59.160 of smaller ones nearby. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.719 I mean there's strike looking. I understand why people are 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.800 like aliens, because there is something eerie about the perfection 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:10.760 of a perfect circle in nature. I mean, it looks interesting, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:11.800 it's a good art project. 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:16.480 It looks interesting, and they appear overnight. Suddenly all of 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:20.400 these pictures will be available on our Instagram. So through 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.640 the eighties, more and more crop circles are emerging. They're 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:29.160 emerging in many developed countries that have farmland, but mostly 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.640 in Wiltshire, and some patterns start to emerge. First of all, 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.480 they only happen in the summer when the crops are 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:37.200 really big. 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.520 Then, which makes them more striking and visible. 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.080 Yes, and also which makes it like not super cool 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:43.520 out in the middle of the night if you're a 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:49.040 human mammal, red blooded mammal making a crop circle. They 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.559 often appear in wheat and barley, not so much corn. 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.480 Corn is not great for making a crop circle. And 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.920 they also appear I mean, I knew that this existed, 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:01.080 but they appear a lot of times in which is 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.000 the name of a crop. So it's just funny. We're 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.520 researching this, they're constantly like we were out there in 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:06.720 the rape and I'm like, warre you. 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.800 Here's what I learned. Rape seed oil very important and 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.760 very easy oil that people use like an old oil. 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.280 In America. We added a g and they call it 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:17.439 grape seed oil. 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.040 I know, but it's not. But then if you look 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.160 up grape seed oil, because I did, there's also oil 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.800 that you can make from grapes and it's not the 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:30.520 same thing, so we need a third for the grain. Yeah, 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.880 I because you know, it's similar to like people get 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.520 confused because there's no apples and applejacks. If you call 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:39.600 something grape seed oil, people are gonna think it's made 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.320 of the seeds of grapes and not a grain that 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:43.840 was previously called rape. 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:47.080 It's true. Come up. I mean, good on them for rebranding. 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.800 That was a smart idea, but it is. It is confusing. 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.240 You assume grape seed oil comes from grape seeds because 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:53.240 grapes do have seeds. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.640 They do. Yeah, but there's also this grain that's a 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:01.440 total tangent. But leave it in. Why not. People report 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:06.240 seeing orbs of light, strange objects, and strange noises, like 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:10.240 around the time that crop circles are forming aliens. They 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.320 report that if you go into a crop circle, like 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.800 your watch might stop, you might feel weird, like a 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.440 compass won't work, your car battery might die. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:21.200 I like this. 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:26.600 There are some very early videos of like floating orbs 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.600 that just sort of look like little white dots out 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.160 over the crop circles. To me, they look like white 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.000 birds flying around, But if you are looking for a 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:42.240 different interpretation, they could be orbs of light. And there's 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.000 also people who are looking at it as like maybe 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.520 the wind is creating this, like maybe there's like a 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.560 weather explanation. Sure, like the williwillies, like the williwillies, or 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:57.199 like some kind of polarity. Something is happening, like I 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.439 don't know, the tectonic plates are shifting and it's affecting 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:04.600 the grains in some strange way. Uh. Stephen Hawking thinks like, yeah, 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:06.800 there's some merit to that argument. He's not the one 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.320 doing the research and coming out with it, but he 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.599 like co signs that theory interesting. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.199 I mean, look, I don't know what's happening with magnet 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.880 I'm gonna be completely honest. And magnets, how do they work? 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.120 Magnets how do they work? I like kind of pretend 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:20.959 like I get the gist, but I don't. I really 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:22.559 don't know all that well. I don't think I could 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.480 explain it to a child, and something could be happening 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:25.839 with that. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:30.680 Something is happening. On the other hand, people point out, 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.320 you know they're often found kind of near roads. 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.440 Yeah, Like that's sort. 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:41.760 Of points to it being people and it becomes a phenomenon. 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:47.080 So they're the people who study crop circles call themselves seriologists, like, uh, 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.719 like cereal or like Ceres, who's like the god of 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.560 I think like grain or farm or something. It's the 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:57.640 same root word, So they're cereal. Get with a C. 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:02.160 Sorry about that. They have conferences, there are periodicals. They 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:06.160 organize themselves into different societies, like people who believe that 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.720 it's Mother Nature sending us a message, people who believe 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:15.240 that it's aliens like leaving graffiti basically, or people who 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:19.000 are interested in some sort of like you know, weather explanation. 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:23.000 Are there any serious seriologists who believe they're man made? 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.600 Or is this a society of people looking for a 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:28.440 more challenging explanation. 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.120 No, there are, there are at this point. There are. 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:34.280 There are people who are like I want to know 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.839 what's up with them, and they're man made and I 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.199 would like to know who and how. Yeah, but they're 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:44.000 kind of different from the main seriologists who believe that 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.440 it is like worth studying because if you think it's 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.720 man made, there's not really that much to look at. 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.400 No, it's not going to be a field of study. Yeah, 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:56.840 where if it's either aliens or some weird tectonic plate thing. 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:00.000 Both of those are very important and very interesting. 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:04.040 Very very very interesting. Nineteen ninety is like a banner 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:08.560 year for crop circles. There are hundreds in Britain. It 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.840 also becomes a huge problem in Illinois, which is where 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.400 you're from. You weren't born yet, but were your parents 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:15.560 out there making crop circles. 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.800 Yes, in the suburbs of Chicago where the crop circles 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:19.600 ran rampant. 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.040 It was like in the newspaper that it was like, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:23.840 we gotta do something about these crops circles. 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:27.320 I mean, look, I've driven through southern Illinois. There's a 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:31.840 lot of fields of cereal that could be ripe for circling, 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:32.800 That's all I'll say. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.600 And farmers are not super happy about it because you're 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.960 destroying their livelihood. Yeah, and then people find out about 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.640 it and come to see it and walk into your 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.360 farm and destroy it even more. And also like, are 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.800 you liable for if they injure themselves on your farm? 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.160 Yeah? If I was a farmer, I would not be 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.240 happy with either the aliens, the weather or the human 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.640 beings doing this for attention and as a prank. 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:57.880 In May nineteen ninety we get our first pictogram, which 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:02.120 is how you like it's not circles, so I'm gonna 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.840 show you ooh, so there's some straight lines and some 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:06.760 like little dashes. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:08.800 It looks like a Wi Fi signal. It does look 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.720 like a like a different a pitch for how wi Fi. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.080 Like that's a little symbol. It's it's not the Wi 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.120 Fi symbol. But if that was like a draft of 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:17.440 like should WiFi look like this? 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.320 We also this summer get the Eastfield pictogram. 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:23.320 Oh, that one's good. 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:27.000 It's really cool and you can I'm bad with measurements, 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.520 but there's people in this photo. So yeah, it looks huge. 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:33.000 It's really big. And this is like a very famous one. 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.640 It ends up on the cover of a Led Zeppelin 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:37.480 Remasters album. 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.680 I will just say like, as an art project, it 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.200 looks striking. It's very impressive. There's something very striking to 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:48.280 me again about like the man made almost like scientific 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.880 vibe of it in contrast and direct juxtaposition to the 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:54.040 nature of the field. 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.520 It looks cool if you want to get sort of 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:03.040 philosophical about it, like farming rep presents man's desire to 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.840 sort of tame nature and use it for its own 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.680 ends and crop circles represent like just a different version 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.880 of that, Like I will also go out into nature 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.800 and do a thing for man made reasons. 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:19.480 Yeah, it's something. Again, I'm going to go on the 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:23.360 assumption that people are doing this philosophically. It is very 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:29.040 funny that they're sort of enacting prehistoric ritual purposes because again, 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.480 looks Stonehenge and things like, we don't know why these 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.640 ancient people built these things or just like, ah, they 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.160 were doing rituals. A human being making this, it's like, ah, 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:43.120 a ritualistic purpose, and that ritual is in order to 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.000 have fun yep, in order to prank people to get attention. 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.760 Just like, that's funny to me that we're doing things 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:53.080 that people did thousands of years ago for a silly 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.720 reason that we can comprehend now but might be incomprehensible 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.000 thousands of years from now. 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.840 Yes, correct, we are. Humanity doesn't really change. 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:06.639 Yeah, I assume Stonehenge wasn't a prank. That seems like 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.199 a lot of work to bring the stones there. But 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.000 maybe the. 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:14.639 Farmer who owns this field says that they charged people 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.960 to go into it, and they made some key rings 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.640 and some T shirts, and he says it was probably 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.000 our most profitable quarter of an acre ever. 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:23.120 Good for him. 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:27.560 So you know, there's like reasons to sort of let 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.359 the crop circle phenomenon continue. 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:33.479 Yeah, farmers, look, being a farmer seems hard. If it 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.520 hurts the farmers, that's bad. If the farmers can benefit 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:37.000 from it. 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:41.040 Great, absolutely. Later in summer nineteen ninety, there's something called 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.399 Operation Blackbird, which is the BBC with the help of 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.920 a Japanese TV station and also the British Army OH 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:52.239 which owns the land, setting up surveillance to see if 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.560 they can catch a crop circle maker in the action. Great, 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.359 and this is not the first time that anyone's done this. 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.879 There was also Project Whitebird, but this is like the 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:06.320 big one that becomes famous. So they set up a test. 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:12.200 They take two I'm gonna call them enthusiasts slash researchers. 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:16.400 They sort of self style themselves as like scientists slash experts. 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.160 I would maybe push back about that. 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.960 Put that put experts are scientists both in air quotes. 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:26.280 Yeah, their names are Pat Delgado and Colin Andrews. And 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.760 they're gonna stake out the field and see what they 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.840 can see. They've got night vision cameras, they've got thermal imaging, 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:38.159 they've got all the highest tech stuff, and on the 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:43.600 second night of their experiment, a crop circle appears great 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:47.400 good for them, and they're like, look, if you look 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:51.000 on the night vision, all you see are like weird 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.679 light shapes, and if you look above, this is a 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.040 crop circle. And they're like, this is real. This is real. 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.200 This is real. And they say that for cameras, and 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:04.520 then they go into the crop circle and they're like, 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:08.800 this is not real because a big part of what 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.040 distinguishes a real crop circle from like a prank crop 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:15.600 circle is the way that the grain is laid down, 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:19.720 if it's broken versus if it's like woven, how damaged 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:24.080 it is, how clean the edges are. So they go 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.119 into the crop circle and they're like, this looks terrible. 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:30.399 This is just some amateur human crop circle maker. And 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:35.920 they had also left behind a wooden cross, a bit 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.399 of the rope that they had used, and a like 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:43.280 astrology board game. Ah, so they're like clearly making fun 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:48.240 of them. Yeah, and they're like, this is proof that 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:52.719 we are onto something because the army went through so 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.560 much effort to set us up, to make us look stupid. 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:58.760 Oh no, as opposed to just to like, oh no, 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.320 it's actually very eas to fake a crop circle, and 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:02.280 people are having fun. 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.760 Yeah, they're like, it is easy to fake a crop circle, 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.000 and they want us to believe that all the crop 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.320 circles are fake, but there are real crop circles, so 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:12.520 they're muddying the waters. 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:14.199 Oh I got it, I got it. 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.960 This is a thing that crop circle enthusiasts will forever 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.960 insist is that a lot of crop circles are made 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:25.800 by people who are, whether intentionally or not, getting in 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:28.840 the way of their very valid research into the quote 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:30.240 unquote real crop circles. 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.200 I mean, I get it. It's like false flag crop circles. 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:35.120 It is a syop. Yeah. 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.359 And also that would be if you are someone who 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.600 is a true believer, that would be devastating because you're like, 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:45.680 the more we talk about crop circles, the more copycats 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:47.320 they'll want to be ben to like cashing it on 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:49.720 the publicity. So how do you talk about them without 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:51.080 inciting new copycats? 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:56.240 It's very difficult. Then Andrews and Delgado will go on 0:20:56.320 --> 0:21:01.000 to claim that like they're being tapped by the CIA 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:04.600 and journalists are following them home and asking all of 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.119 these invasive questions, and there's all this sort of like 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:13.320 circumstantial evidence that then bolsters their theory that there's something 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:15.480 that like, quote unquote they don't want you to know. 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:18.960