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Speaker 1: Hey, Latino USA listener, it's Maria here. So just like you,

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Speaker 1: our entire Latino USA family is processing this tragic news

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Speaker 1: out of Uvalde, Texas this past week, another school shooting

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Speaker 1: that has really shaken us once again.

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Speaker 2: To our core.

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Speaker 1: Our producers, editors and engineers were currently working on a

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Speaker 1: new Latino USA episode all about Ubalde. It's going to

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Speaker 1: drop on this podcast feed on June tenth. Meanwhile, we

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Speaker 1: wanted to share a conversation that I had this week

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Speaker 1: with my co host Julio Ricardo Barela of in the Thick,

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Speaker 1: our political podcast here at Futuro Media. So Julio and

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Speaker 1: I spent some time together to talk about Ualde what

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Speaker 1: it all means, and we're sharing this conversation on the

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Speaker 1: Latino USA Feed.

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Speaker 3: It's emotional, but we're so glad you're going to listen.

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Speaker 1: Yes, hey, family from Futuro Media and PRX, it's in

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Speaker 1: the Thick.

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Speaker 3: I'm Marie Nojosa.

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Speaker 4: And I'm hul Lorela, and I can't believe we're doing

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Speaker 4: another sound off on another mass shooting.

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Speaker 3: Maria, Yeah, and that's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Actually, you know, I wasn't even supposed to be recording

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Speaker 1: the show because I'm supposed to be off celebrating my

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Speaker 1: daughter's graduation. And then you know, on Tuesday, you just

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Speaker 1: suddenly start seeing this another mass shooting in Uvalde, Texas.

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Speaker 1: So you know, we haven't We're still in shock because

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Speaker 1: of Buffalo. Yeah, we're still in shock because of a

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Speaker 1: white supremacist hate raged attack on innocent people, black people

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Speaker 1: right an eighteen year old gunman, Salvador Ramos, started shooting

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Speaker 1: inside of rob Elementary School in Uvalde, killing nineteen nineteen children,

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Speaker 1: two teachers. Before getting to the school, the gunman also

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Speaker 1: that he sent private messages on Facebook basically saying that

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Speaker 1: was going to go to a school. So according to

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Speaker 1: the Texas Department of Public Safety, all of the victims

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Speaker 1: just for context, the most common age for Latinos and

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Speaker 4: Right, right, We did a conversation with that you're right

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Speaker 4: around eleven twelve years old.

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Speaker 1: Which is around the age of the children who were

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Speaker 1: so predominantly Latino and Latina working class city with a

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Speaker 1: population of about sixteen thousand. Yes, so you're going to

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Speaker 1: hear the emotional voice now of Ajhil Garsa. He's the

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Speaker 1: father of ten year old Ahmeri Joe Garza, a little

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the tape.

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Speaker 3: She was so sweet, mister Cooper.

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Speaker 5: She was the sweetest little girl who did nothing wrong.

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Speaker 5: She listened to her mom and dad. She always breast,

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Speaker 5: She was creative, she made things for us. She never

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Speaker 5: got in trouble in school. Like, I just want to

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Speaker 5: know what she did to be a big too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she did nothing, you know, she did nothing except

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Speaker 1: for live in a country where guns have more rights

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Speaker 1: than you've been seeing this than the bodies of women, people, people, right, kids, kids,

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Speaker 1: It's just so grotesque, you know. Immediately there was this

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Speaker 1: whole thing about well, the Salvador Ramos. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: an immigrant, he crossed all this bullshit lies, right, He's

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Speaker 2: He just turned eighteen earlier this month.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he just turned eighteen, was able to buy the weapons, right.

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to spend too much.

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Speaker 4: Time onmost because you know, Maria, it's like we're parents.

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Speaker 2: We're parents, we raise kids.

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Speaker 4: You know, even what happened with Combine and new Town

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Speaker 1: Look, the thing is is that this is the second

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Speaker 1: the plea of the father of Amdi's father saying what

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Speaker 1: Everything is so dark right now, everything is so dark

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Speaker 2: Do you know that I'm Edie del Gartha.

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Speaker 4: It's been reported that she attempted to dial out nine

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Speaker 4: And I was reading about the kids who were getting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm sick of it, Julio Sabiski, all of it,

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Speaker 1: And we also know that this could happen anywhere, anytime,

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Speaker 1: I remember a time I'm in Harlem right now. I

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Speaker 1: because that's what we're all in a state of shock.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this data point there have.

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Speaker 1: Been more than two hundred mass shootings in America in

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Speaker 4: Right, And Clint Smith in The Atlantic sited that in

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Speaker 3: I haven't been seeing those headlines though, Like.

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Speaker 4: and that's a bigger issue, but specifically about where Uvalde

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Speaker 4: Census data has it over eighty percent Latino or Latina.

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Speaker 1: That basically means that within those hundred miles, border patrol

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Speaker 2: And it's happened anytime, like anywhere arbitrary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anytime anywhere within one hundred miles.

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Speaker 4: So you can set up roadblocks. That is life in

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Speaker 4: Some of the law enforcement who responded to the shooting

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Speaker 2: And there's still questions about the.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know, like I get very wary about as

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Speaker 4: I also think, like we mentioned, we're going to look

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Speaker 2: This for a Latino USA show in June.

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Speaker 4: But let me just share what is being said, right

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Speaker 4: that a border patrol agent killed the shooter. And then

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Speaker 3: Right by the border patrol.

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Speaker 2: And then this is what happens. Right.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of narratives happening in this right, and

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Speaker 2: Mighty. We know that, right, you know.

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Speaker 4: But then law enforcement comes in and says, you know,

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Speaker 4: some border patrol agents also had children in the school,

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Speaker 2: For Latinos and Latinos in the region.

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Speaker 4: And then the Department of Homeland Security set on Wednesday

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Speaker 4: You're trying to find out if you're it's horrifical, it's

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like asking them to present their you know, identification, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, It's like, what do you think you

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Speaker 2: Dead? Right?

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Speaker 3: How dare you?

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Speaker 4: And of course there's the fact that the shooter himself

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Speaker 2: You have covered this region in your career.

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Speaker 4: You have been there so many times, you know, the

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Speaker 2: Give me your thoughts about all this.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, because I've been a journalist for

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Speaker 1: the narrative that is being put out as to what

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Speaker 1: It's very hard because we're suffering, but we have to

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Speaker 1: have these questions answered. I have said the border patrol.

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Speaker 1: People think, oh, they're just targeting, they're just in communities

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Speaker 1: And this is what it looks like right where the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so everything about the border patrol, they have misrepresented

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't leave you a six of a bitch.

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Speaker 2: Why are we letting this happen in this country? Why

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Speaker 3: Do not do something, and I am going to do something.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not alone. The people of Texas are with us.

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Speaker 4: Got to stand up to this or we just accept

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, Ulio, because at first I was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Bitto, wait, especially since he's running right, that's his opponent.

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Speaker 4: Right, And I will say we've talked about Democrats taking

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Speaker 2: I can't believe we have to do this again, Maria.

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Speaker 1: So the justice in this moment would be to not

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Speaker 1: So to all of your families, we send so much

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