1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,400 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 2: I have nine rides in every single event everything we do, 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: I have nine rides to super serve. My sponsors are 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: my rides, my artists, my managers. You know the supervisors, 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: the DSPs, the programmers, the music directors. You know the 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: record labels, you know every single the wineries. You know 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: where we do the events. Everyone has to like have 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: the greatest time ever. 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast with your host Buzznight, 10 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: a podcast where he talks with musicians and industry insiders 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: about their love music. Bobby Jacobs is our guest on 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: this episode. She's an entrepreneur and a music promoter. She's 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: been working in the music business for over twenty years, 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: known for the creation of her Live in the Vineyard 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: concert series in two thousand and eight. The series has 16 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: become so well known and tickets are so sought after 17 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: that they're available only through sweepstakes and if you're a 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: special invited guest. Live at the Vineyard has hosted intimate 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: performances by Zach Brown, Lenny Kravitz, and many more. Bobby 20 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: Jacobs shares her story on Taking a Walk with Buzz Night. Next. 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 3: So, Bobby, tell me how you began this tremendous ride 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: that you're on. 23 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a crazy ridete all right. So my background 24 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: is promotion in the music business. I've been doing it 25 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: for over thirty years, and Live in the Vineyard was 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: created as a vehicle to promote music and promote whether 27 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: you're a big artist or a small artist or an 28 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: up and comer. It's really uses a platform to bring 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: everybody into the room with this great vibe you know 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: of being in Napa with the backdrop or being in 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: Beaver Creek, Colorado with the beautiful backdrop there. It's a 32 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: way to bring all the industry taste makers into one 33 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: place where they're relaxed and kind of you know, chill, 34 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: and then all the artists are in their element and 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: to put everybody together and really have the giving every 36 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: single artist, no matter what size you are or where 37 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: you're at in your career, a platform and a spotlight. 38 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 4: When did you first discover that you love music so much? 39 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, way back way back. I went, I'm 40 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: from Iowa, and so literally after church every Sunday, my 41 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 2: friend Amanda and I would listen to the Rick Now 42 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Casey, Caseum, it was Rick Dyson but a 43 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: Casey Caseum American Top forty countdown. And so that was 44 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: like I listened to the radio every single day, like morning, noon, 45 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: and night when I was getting ready for school, and 46 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 2: and then on the weekends and then I was in 47 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: the you know, going to church in the choir. And 48 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: my mom and my dad very eclectic music taste in 49 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: my household growing up. It was my mom was all 50 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: about Dolly Parton, Patsy Klein, Elvis Presley, and she was 51 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 2: backst and so she, you know, she listened to all 52 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 2: the all the religious types of music as well. And 53 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: my dad was twenty years older than my mom, and 54 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: so he listened to Poka music. So it was just 55 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: hilarious because I was like Poka music, but he loved 56 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: music and he just liked Poka music and you know, 57 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: big band and things like that. So it was just 58 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: very very eclectic, but really but really amazing. I didn't 59 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: really like understand, I mean, I knew, I loved I 60 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 2: love to have I loved how it made me feel. 61 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 4: What was your first concert? 62 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: Huey Lewis and the news. Not a lot of artists 63 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: came through Cea Robbins Iowa, and I remember Huey Lewis 64 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: and the news came and I couldn't wait to go. 65 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: So yes, and as you thought about your career path, 66 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: you're on an interesting blend of an entrepreneur but also 67 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: a promoter. 68 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 4: So what caused you to take those two paths? 69 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: So the entrepreneur uh like spirit is definitely ingrained in 70 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: my dna. My grandfather was an entrepreneur. My father was 71 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: an entrepreneur, and you know, I'm following in those those footsteps. 72 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: And I just love the creative you know, place in 73 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: the platform. It gives you to be, you know, an entrepreneur. 74 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: And but then the like the promoter I love. I 75 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: just love music. And so I how I got into 76 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 2: the music business is I was working for Make a 77 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: Wish Foundation in college. I was volunteering because it was 78 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: like a get in internships. So I went to University 79 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: of Iowa, and so I was I really I knew 80 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: I wanted to do like communications and journalism. You know, 81 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: I knew I wanted, but I didn't know what I 82 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: meant because this is a long time ago, so at 83 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: different you know, different time. You know, there was no 84 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: computers and no cell phones in any of that. And 85 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: so I knew I wanted to promote something I didn't know. 86 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: I love sales, I love to talk to people, and 87 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: I'm just very I realized by watching my dad, when 88 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: you're really passionate about something, you can do anything. And 89 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: so when I was in college, I really wanted to 90 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: be a part with the Make a Wish Foundation, and 91 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: so the Make a Wish people were like they just 92 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: you know. I went into the office and you know, 93 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: every day and during after my classes, and then there 94 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: was two little girls who wanted to meet the new 95 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: kids on the block. And so I was like, well, yeah, 96 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: why can't we have Why can't they meet the new kids? 97 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: And my boss was like, wait a minute, but it's 98 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 2: the new kids on the block. And I go, well, 99 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: why can't they meet the new kids? Like it's it's 100 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 2: why you just pick up the phone call people. And 101 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 2: so I got my little CD and I looked and 102 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 2: it said Sony Music, New York, New York. And I 103 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: dialed five five five one two one two and I 104 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 2: said Sony Music. And then they they said here's the number, 105 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: and I wrote it down to one two eight three three. 106 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 2: I don't you know, eight thousand. I think it was. 107 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 2: I remember phone numbers. I'm a weird brain like that. 108 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: So because all the radio stations I dial my whole career, 109 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: and so I called Sony Music and they're like Sony 110 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: Music and I'm like, oh, I'm the new kids on 111 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: the block are coming to this concert. And I didn't 112 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: have my pitch down because I'm also like nineteen years old. 113 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: But I didn't have it, you know, I didn't you know, 114 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: have the pit, you know, have it down. And they're like, oh, okay, 115 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: and they transferred me to you know, marketing and then 116 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: marketing publicity. By the time I got to promotion, I 117 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: had a down like I was three phone calls in. 118 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, this is it, and I have my 119 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: little notepad. By the way, I still have my notepads 120 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 2: everywhere on my desk if you would see. I'm still 121 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: old fashioned. I don't I hate I love writing everything 122 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 2: down and looking at it. And so they got to promotion. 123 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, Hi, this is Bobby Hunk and this is 124 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 2: what I do. And they're like, oh, talk to this 125 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: is the person to talk to you. You need to 126 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: call a regional office. Let me transfer you. I'm like, well, Okait, 127 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: what's the for numbers? I wrote down it was Minneapolis, 128 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: so and I'm thinking, well that makes sense because you know, 129 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: New York is so far from Iowa. So then they 130 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: gave me the person's name in Minneapolis, and this person 131 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: answered the phone and I'm like, ha, like, I work 132 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: with the new p I work with Make a Wish Foundation, 133 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 2: and you're going to be you. I heard you were 134 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: the person that represents the new cause. He's like, yes, yes, 135 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: and he said, can you fax me the request? That's 136 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: not a problem. I'm like great, So I typed it 137 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: on my typewriter, faxed it over and then I called 138 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: him back and he's like, this is great, we can 139 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: do this, and I go, well, can I get the 140 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: press involved, because you've been doing whatever you want? I'm 141 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: like oh great. So I got you know, the paper 142 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: and the TV station and they all showed up and 143 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: then he met me right outside of Carver Hawky Arena 144 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: and he goes, so, I'm looking for and he got 145 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: out of his car and I was in my little 146 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: car and got out and he's like, you're Bobby. I'm 147 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: like yeah. He goes, You're like too. I'm like I 148 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: am not. I'm nineteen, and he goes, you did all this. 149 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: I'm like yeah. He goes, well, do you want a job? 150 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: And I went yeah, like yes, like an internship. And 151 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: he goes, well, what year you in school. I'm like 152 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: I'm a junior. He goes, okay, this summer I would 153 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: get I would love to have you, you know, as 154 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: an intern. And I'm like yeah. So I ran to 155 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: the pay phone, dialed my mom collect and she accepted 156 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: the charges. I'm like, mom, have an internship. So many music, 157 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: it's Minneapolis. This is like the dream. This is like 158 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 2: the dream that I that I that I want to have. 159 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, I don't know. My legal name 160 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: is Roberta. I don't know Roberta. I mean, it's a 161 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: lot of money, and how are you going to get paid? 162 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, it's an internship. She goes, I weren't going 163 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: to be giving you the money. You need to figure 164 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: this out. And I'm like so, I'm like, okay, go back. 165 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: So I said, okay, so my parents they are not 166 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: going to be giving me any money, and I need 167 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: to figure this out because I want this internship. And 168 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: the gentleman said his name is David. His name is 169 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: David New York and David's like, well, why don't you 170 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: I'm recently divorced, and why don't you like watch my 171 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: kids a couple of days a week and I'll pay 172 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: you plus, I'll pay all your expenses and you can live, 173 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: you know, you know, at my house and watch my 174 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: kids and I can go to the office like three 175 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: days a week and you can work at nights and whatever. 176 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 2: And I said, I'll do anything. I'll do whatever, whatever, 177 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: And so that was it. And now, in today's world, 178 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 2: if somebody would say that your nineteen year old daughter 179 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: is going to go live with a perfect stranger with 180 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: no communication, that's a little weird. But I'm from Iowa 181 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: and everyone trusts everybody in the Midwest, and I have 182 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: a good I've always been a street smart person. And 183 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: so I did it and it was the greatest, greatest ever, 184 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: like great supportunity of my life. And Mariah Carey broke 185 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: that year that summer haul Young Aerosmith, you know, little 186 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: bands like that, and it was amazing. So that's a 187 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: long story, a long answer to your question. 188 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 3: But there's a lot about that story to unpack that 189 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 3: I think is so fabulous. I mean, I mean, no 190 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 3: no apologies. I think first of all, not taking you know, 191 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 3: no as a possibility for an answer. Resilience, passion, intestinal fortitude, 192 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 3: you name it. 193 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 4: Would you go on then to work in the record 194 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 4: promotion business. 195 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: Yes. So then after I was done with the internship, 196 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 2: he gave me a gift which was now a lot 197 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: of these things don't exist anymore, and so it was 198 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: the Yellow Pages of Rock. And he gave me this 199 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: gift and right before I left, and he's like, I'm 200 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: going to give this to you, and I go, well, 201 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to go. I'm going to I'm moving to California, 202 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 2: Like I want, I want to work with them. He's like, no, no, no, no, 203 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: you have to finish school. And I'm like okay. So 204 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: he said to me. So he's like, I'm going to 205 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: give you a present and you need to like this 206 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: is really really important. This is going to help you 207 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: with your career. He goes, everyone in the music business, 208 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: that's anybody is in this book. You need to use 209 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: the book to send resumes, mailing resumes. You need to 210 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: use this book to call everybody up and don't give up. 211 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: Don't give up. I'm like all right, and then I 212 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: said goodbye. I waved to you know, to him and 213 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: his kids and uh, you know, and I went and uh, 214 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: I my dad. I had an opportunity. I finished up 215 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: college in December. And so my dad said, Roberta, Roberta 216 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: in you if you helped me with my convention in 217 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 2: Orange County, I will drive you to Cali, up to Hollywood, 218 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: and I will drive you all to your interviews. And 219 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 2: at that point I was like anything, I'll do anything 220 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 2: because I need money, Like I can't, I have no money. 221 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: And so my dad was like very strict, you know, 222 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: and but I'm gonna help you. But this is the rules. 223 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, all right. So I send out three hundred 224 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: and fifty resumes and I then got like ten interviews, 225 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: and lo and behold. I didn't know that none of 226 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: these people they've had no desire to interview or to 227 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: they were just doing it to be nice. And here's 228 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: this girl from Iowa who's calling their office, who's very nice. 229 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: So I ended up getting these interviews, and the last 230 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: interview of the last of the last day there was 231 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: like two days, two and a half days. I interviewed 232 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 2: There's a gentleman who I still actually keep in touch with. 233 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: His name is Steve, and so he met me. I 234 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: went to his office at Disney or Buena Vista at 235 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 2: the time that doesn't exist anymore. And then he interviewed 236 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: me and he's like, listen, I don't have a job 237 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 2: for you, but I thought you were really nice, and 238 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: so I wanted to give you an opportunity. And there's 239 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: all these pictures in his office of his kids, and 240 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, my god, I love kids. This is great. 241 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 2: And you know, he said, oh, you know you love kids, 242 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: and I go, yeah, I paid for my basically part 243 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: of my college. My spending money was babysitting and being 244 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: a nanny, and you know, I just really love kids. 245 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: And so he's like he leaned across his desk he 246 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: has really I go, yeah, he does. Do you have references? 247 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: I go, well, yeah, and I rambled off all the 248 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: phone numbers. He wrote them down. He goes, well, do 249 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: you want a babysit for my My wife and I 250 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: are going to toy Fair and do you want to 251 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 2: babysit for us? You know, for two weeks, and we'll 252 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: give you a car. You know, we'll give you know, 253 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: spending minute, we'll pay you know, we'll pay your expenses, 254 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: and I'm like, yes, yes, just get me to California. 255 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: So then he checked my references, he sent me the 256 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: airline ticket and I went up. And then after that 257 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 2: he offered me a free place to stay for three 258 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: months with no strings attached. All I need to do 259 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: is babysit his kids while he and his wife went 260 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: out on a Saturday night for dinner. And I had. 261 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: So I had a free place to stay for three months. 262 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 2: And I got and I got in, and I just 263 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 2: kept that Yellow Pages of Rock, and I kept calling 264 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 2: and calling people. And then I got a job at 265 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: a magazine called hit Maker's Magazine, and which doesn't exist anymore, 266 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: either all these places or nobody exists anymore. And I 267 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: worked there at Calling Radio, and then after that I 268 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: got a job at Lava Records with Jason Flom and 269 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: we broke Matchbox twenty little Van called you know, Matchpaps twenty. 270 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: And then I went to and I was in the 271 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: promotion business. I wanted to. That was what I did. 272 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 2: I called radio, I broke records, and so all these 273 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: years later, you know, I worked at Hits Magazine. I 274 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 2: was an editor there and I and then after I 275 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: was done at hits. We moved to Colorado, my husband 276 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: and I we met a great guy, got married and 277 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: had our first child and moved and then I started 278 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: my own business eighteen now, almost nineteen years ago. And 279 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: so I'm still calling radio. I'm still breaking I'm now 280 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: calling radio. It's not just radio, it's DSP is radio supervisor, influencers, 281 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: anybody that can influence music is who I talk to. 282 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: And the Yellow Pages of Rock. If I'm not mistaken, 283 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: that was an album network. 284 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: Yes, that network, forteen album network. That is correct. 285 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 4: Yep, Tommy Nast. 286 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: That Tommy is. I don't even know if Tommy's still around, 287 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: but I remember Tommy Nast. 288 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 4: Tommy is still around. 289 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 3: I'm actually part of a monthly Zoom group which includes 290 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 3: gentlemen you might know by the name of Lee Abrams, 291 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 3: and Tommy's on that and some other people. 292 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 4: So I will tell him that we. 293 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: That's great, Yeah, that's awesome. Tell him hello. I don't, 294 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: I don't. We weren't friends, but I remember who he was, 295 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: and he was very, very, very successful and did really 296 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: really well in the business. And that was a long 297 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: time ago, but yeat that tell him hello. 298 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 3: And I think Steve's Smith was the guy who ran 299 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 3: the album network, if I'm not mistaken. 300 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 4: So we definitely know some of the same some of 301 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 4: the same folks. 302 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: Yes, So who shaped your your leadership skills? 303 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question. My dad, you know, you know, 304 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: when I was younger, and like as far as just 305 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: like watching him, you know, and really observing. I had 306 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: a very unique upbringing because I was in Iowa, which 307 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: is the middle of nowhere. But he was a businessman 308 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: and a business owner. And I would go on calls 309 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: with him as a little girl, like little like five, 310 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: you know, and and and so I would go on 311 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: his calls and he would take me into his office, 312 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: which this is what that would never happen in today's world. 313 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: But I would go and I would sit in the 314 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: lobby and he would give me a coloring book and 315 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: I would color and I would just sit there and 316 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: be seen and not heard. And then the people were 317 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 2: always like, what is your name? And I would look 318 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: at my dad like am I you know, and he 319 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: because he was an older parent, he was fifty two 320 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: when I was born. So I was like, yes, sir, yes, ma'am, 321 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: like I mean, and I would stick my hand out 322 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: and I look everybody nine and shake their hand, and 323 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: and then it just I mean really it just kind 324 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: of snowballed into this into really truly the guts, you 325 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: know of my childhood shape me because my dad would 326 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 2: always say, you follow your heart and the money will 327 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: always follow, and so I always did. I never ever 328 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 2: took I never went about it for the money. I 329 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: always went about it for the passion. And it always 330 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: has worked for me. It's not been an easy ride. 331 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: Nothing's easy, but I always just followed the you know, 332 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: I mean, my gut and being more street smart, you know, 333 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: and really watching and observing people and what makes them tick. 334 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 4: You know. 335 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,959 Speaker 2: I had amazing people throughout my life that have been incredible, 336 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: like Bob Greenberg at Hits hit Makers magazine. He was 337 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 2: one of my first the owners of you know, the company. 338 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: It's kind of funny, it's like they he and this 339 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 2: other gentleman, Barry Fidelle were business owners back then and then, 340 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 2: but I gravitated towards I actually got along with both 341 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: of them. But you know, I kind of always tootored 342 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: my own horn and you know, kind of did my 343 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: own thing. But then Bob was great, and then at 344 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: Hits magazine gosh, Dennis and Lenny and Todd were great 345 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 2: to me. They let me do my own thing. 346 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 4: Though. 347 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: I would always say, can I work off of the 348 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: East Coast please? And They're like, wait what you're And 349 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 2: I go, can I open the building? And they would 350 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 2: give me the keys to the building, and I opened 351 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 2: the building and I had my cup of coffee and 352 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 2: I'd start calling East Coast stations. And That's what I've 353 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 2: done my whole I never wanted to be on West 354 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: Coast time, and I've always gotten up early because of 355 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 2: my dad. But then I had like that thelong she 356 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 2: I worked for her, she was at Lava at the 357 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: same time. And but then when you know, when I 358 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: started to be on my own, you know, as far 359 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: as Jason Flahm, you know, at Lava with Val, they 360 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 2: were amazing. I watched and learned, you know, from them. 361 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: And and then after that, when I was on my 362 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: own and you know, starting my own business, I would 363 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: always just really want to surround myself with like minded people. 364 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: And then you know, you fall down, you pick yourself up, 365 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: and you kind of dust yourself off and you try 366 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 2: not to have a bad attitude about it. And then 367 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: and then when I you know, really in current current day, 368 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: Leslie fram is absolutely positively one of the most incredible 369 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 2: people I've ever known. She is just amazing. Flashing backwards 370 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 2: in my career. Ironically, her husband Lannie West, was walking 371 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 2: out of hit Makers the day I was walking in. 372 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 2: So I was walking in with just myself because I 373 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: didn't own anything. I didn't, you know, I just had 374 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: my pen and my and my purse. And he was 375 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 2: walking out with his box from his office because he 376 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 2: was moving to Atlanta. And so, you know, so I 377 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: just think it's wild how how that works, you know 378 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 2: what I mean, how you meet people and you cross 379 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: paths with people, and then all these years later, you know, 380 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: I went into Leslie's office in two thousand and eighteen 381 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 2: and I said, at twenty seventeen, and I said, Leslie, 382 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: I need your help. I want to launch country, I 383 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: want to watch a lot, I want to want launch 384 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 2: live in the Vineyard in the country world. And She's like, 385 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: what can I do for you? And I sat and 386 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't even believe someone is that attentive 387 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: to helping me. And she just said just a second. 388 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 2: She typed on her computer and she literally cut and 389 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: pasted the same email to twenty people and bam, I 390 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: had twenty meetings. Like and so I stayed in Nashville 391 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: for you know, five days and had meetings with everybody 392 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: and listened and observed her and how she handled herself. 393 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: And I mean, I just love and admire her, and 394 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: then through her all these different friends, you know, just 395 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: opened up doors opened up on a stage of brown 396 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: And you know, there's just so many, you know, incredible 397 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 2: women that have helped me in my career. And I 398 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: try to, in turn just keep opening you know doors. 399 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 2: It's interesting, like, So, Julia Michaels not Julia Michael's artist, 400 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 2: Julia Michael's supervisor. She's a dear friend. And I called 401 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 2: her the other day and I'm like, I really really 402 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 2: really want to run some ideas by you for a 403 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 2: live in the vineyard because Julia has been coming to 404 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: support me through as a music supervisor for many, many years. 405 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 2: And so I said, she's like, well, what's your idea? 406 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: And I said, well, I really really want to have 407 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: a theme around and I love Linda Perry and she's like, 408 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: I know Linda Perry. I'm like, can you call Linda Perry. 409 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 2: She goes all energy. She to Linda. So she calls 410 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 2: Linda and tells Linda about me. I don't know what 411 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 2: she said, but Linda's like, I want to talk to Bobby, 412 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: and she does a group text and I pick up 413 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: the phone. Linda and I talked. She's like, I absolutely 414 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 2: want to do Live in the Vineyard. Great, that was it. 415 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: I called Literally, this happened within like five days, like 416 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 2: it literally just happened like yesterday, so it's very fresh. 417 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 2: And I called Julia. I'm like, just so you know, 418 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: Linda Perry is going to be at Live in the video. 419 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: She was like, damn, I go. She goes, and I 420 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: go what. She goes, Bobby, that's amazing. You just made 421 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 2: this happen. I go, no, no, you made this happen. 422 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 2: And then I closed the deal like you. She's like, no, no, no, 423 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 2: you made this happen because I love you and I 424 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: love what you stand for. And then I called Linda 425 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 2: and then she got it, you know, and so I'm like, okay, whatever, 426 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: it was a group ever, but but those are that 427 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 2: I really believe that, you know, I'm too old for 428 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 2: dealing with people you don't like or you know what 429 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 2: I mean, doing things that don't feel right, you know, 430 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 2: like I have Like it's like you just really truly 431 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: like pick yourself up and you know, kind of dust 432 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: yourself off when you when you go through things in life, 433 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 2: and and I haven't had it. It's not been such like, 434 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: oh this is such an easy ride, you know. It's 435 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: I have to work, I mean work, but I surround 436 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: myself with amazing people that are better than me, that 437 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 2: are smarter than me, that are that are you know, 438 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 2: just so brilliant, and and like current times right now, 439 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: like Christy and Matt Watkins with Aristo, they're they're amazing 440 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: and they make me better. And I'm not great at 441 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: all those details, which Christy with all the press and all, 442 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 2: I'm just like, I just have the vision and then 443 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: all these amazing people around me help bring it to life. 444 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: And my business partners are amazing totally different than me, 445 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: but they let me do my thing. They know that, 446 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: like let her be a creative entrepreneur, but kind of 447 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: keep my whatever. It's like driving a little bumper car. 448 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: They put little bumpers, like all right, here's the bumpers. 449 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 2: Don't go out of the lines, even though I really 450 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: kind of like to go out of the lines all 451 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: the time, but they understand now and respect what I do, 452 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 2: you know, and and it kind of it feeds, you know, 453 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: It's like watering a plant. You surround yourself with all 454 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: these people and it just makes it you flourish, versus 455 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: being in the situations that are surrounding yourself with people 456 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 2: that aren't like minded, or that aren't creative or you know. 457 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: But I can respect people that are you know minded, 458 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 2: you know, where their mind is more mathematical or you know, 459 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: or analytical. I can I love that and respect that. 460 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: Or people that are you know, more just more like Christie, 461 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: she's so deep with writing press releases and all those things. 462 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 2: I have it in my head. I can write it 463 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 2: in my head, but she can bring it to life. 464 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 2: And that's what's amazing. So I'm so sorry. I'm just 465 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: very excited. It's really passionate about it. 466 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 4: So no apology necessary. 467 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 5: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 468 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 5: Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 469 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 3: One of the things that you are masterful at is 470 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 3: the concept of building partnerships, which I think is such 471 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 3: an opportunity for a lot of businesses, Radio included, because 472 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 3: I think it's sort of a necessity. Now, what's your 473 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: secret to building lasting partnerships? 474 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 2: That's a good question. Really listening, you know, to what 475 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: people's objectives and goals are, and you know, listening and 476 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 2: really paying attention to the detail. You know, Devil was it. 477 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: Devil's in the details, you know. And for me, we've 478 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 2: always gone after this sponsorship that that work that I like, 479 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 2: you know, what do I like? You know, I'm the demographic. 480 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: I'm still in the demographic and uh and so I 481 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: always try to follow, you know, the the trends, but 482 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 2: but also not the trends to be too trendy because 483 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: our events are very unique. They're private, you know, really private, 484 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 2: very exclusive, five hundred person events or less. And so 485 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 2: I really try to partner up, you know, with the 486 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: with the people that I the brands that I feel 487 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 2: would have the longevity. And and I feel that if 488 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: you really super serve, it's not like NASCAR. You can't 489 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: have five thousand like all these plastered brands, you know, 490 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 2: especially in the luxury you know, locations, like the luxurious 491 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 2: locations we have such as NAPA or Beaver Creek for example. 492 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 2: But I really try to focus on the best you know, 493 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: brands that would understand what we do and and it 494 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: just so happens that, you know, I've been very, very 495 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 2: blessed where Southwest Airlines has been a partner with us 496 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 2: for years, Marriott Hotel Corporation has been a partner with 497 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 2: us for years, Enterprise rent A Car has been a 498 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 2: partner for years. But now we're trying now, then COVID, 499 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 2: that thing called COVID happened, and now we're kind of 500 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 2: picking up and put still putting pieces back together of 501 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 2: brands that used to work with us for a while. 502 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: But really, if we have such a great product and 503 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 2: a great intimate exclusive, you know, event we're not going 504 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 2: to be all things to all people. We really need 505 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: to be the best and that you know, the best focused, 506 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: you know, for the people that you know that come in, 507 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: the brands that come in to really understand what we do. 508 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 2: And you know, it's funny, I have like north Stars. 509 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: I always have these North Star you know brands in 510 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 2: my mind, especially with the Country world. It's a lot 511 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: easier to put brands with Country because I'm from Iowa. 512 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: So it's it's kind of that you know, natural thing 513 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 2: of what I think about when I think of country music. 514 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: It's easier for me to have brands flow off you know, 515 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: your tongue. But like you know, visit Napa Valley. They're 516 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 2: our title sponsor for you know, for what we do 517 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 2: in Napa for a live in the Vineyard and live 518 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 2: in the Vineyards country. And it took I think it 519 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 2: took how long thirteen years to twelve or thirteen years 520 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 2: to get them, you know, interested, because it just took. 521 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 2: It just took the really just pounding, pounding, pounding on 522 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 2: this is what we're doing. Look at the impressions, hang 523 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 2: me for over here and then and then I just 524 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: didn't give up. And they're one of our most incredible 525 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: partners that we have and we look but it's but 526 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 2: it's not just it's a partnership. It's not just a 527 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 2: one way street. And you have to be able to 528 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: be a good partner and to be able to grow 529 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 2: as you evolve, your partners need to evolve with you. 530 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: There's certain things in life that just time out naturally, 531 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: you know, as people grow in one direction, maybe brand's 532 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 2: grown another or vice versa. But but really I really 533 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: feel we are our labels are our partners. There are 534 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: greatest partners, our managers are artists. But that's because we 535 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: really try to super serve every single person that walks 536 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: in the door. You know, I always say this analogy, 537 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: and I use it all the time in our pitches, 538 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 2: but because it's true, I have nine brides in every 539 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: single event everything we do, I have nine brides to 540 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: super serve my brides. My sponsors are my brides, My artists, 541 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: my managers, my you know, the supervisors, the DSPs, the programmers, 542 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 2: the music directors, you know, the record labels, you know, 543 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 2: every single the wineries, you know where we do the events. 544 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: Every everyone has to be you know, I have to 545 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 2: ask to be bought in, you know, they have I 546 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 2: have everyone has to like have the greatest time ever. 547 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 2: And it's not like they don't have to love every 548 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: single thing that's curated for them, but they have to 549 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 2: walk in with an open mind and just open and 550 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: open to what they're about, ready to listen to and 551 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: be presented. And then they have to walk out with 552 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: loving being falling in love with something. You know, we 553 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: always say that we're like, listen, we're going to be 554 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: presenting to all these artists, and it's never the it's 555 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: never that headliner. You know, they expect greatness from the headliners, 556 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: the bigger artists, but they always walk away with a 557 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 2: discovery of, you know, of what's presented to them. So 558 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 2: I kind of really try to balance that, you know, 559 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: with with with everything we do and to always have 560 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: that in my mind of there's a lot of brides. 561 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 2: We can't have Bridezilla. We need to have lots of 562 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: brides happy and and we really just try to plan that. 563 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: And it's really worked well in that analogy because because 564 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 2: you know, not everyone will love everything. You know, there's 565 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: always going to be but I always try to strive, 566 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 2: you know, for excellence, you know, with everybody, as many people, 567 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 2: as many of my brides being happy as possible. 568 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 3: You also have really defined experiential promotions in terms of 569 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 3: the work that you you know, certainly continue to do. 570 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 3: What's the key to making these always bigger than the 571 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 3: last time you did it. 572 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: I don't I pray God is great. I don't know. Honestly, 573 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 2: our team is incredible, incredible, the product. I mean, I 574 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 2: just really it's it's I kind of go hunting in 575 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: the business and I don't just wave a magic wand 576 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 2: and it all happens it's like, and that's one of 577 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 2: the hardest things is curating every single event from the 578 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 2: ground up and calling managers, artists, programmers, supervisors to everyone, 579 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 2: label executives and literally calling them and calling them and 580 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: calling them and making sure that I'm it's not that, 581 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 2: it's making sure I listen to everyone and where they 582 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: can pave my my runway. So if I talk to 583 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 2: you know, let's just say fifty programmers, and I talk 584 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: to fifty you know, of supervisors, DFV all these other people, 585 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 2: it's almost like I create my own, you know, the 586 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 2: curation of how it all comes together. And I and 587 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 2: then I do my own research of on social media, 588 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: and I go to websites and I listen to music 589 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 2: and then I dig deeper into everyone's socials of who's 590 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: following them, what baby baby artists, you know, what you 591 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 2: know are going to be the next break? And I 592 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 2: just I have my like group of people that I 593 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 2: always pick up the phone and call and go, all right, 594 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: what's the deal, what's the next biggest thing? And a 595 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: lot of it is got you know, a lot of 596 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: things in today's world are not planned by that anymore. 597 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 2: It's about analytics, and it's about the numbers and the 598 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 2: all of that. I try to use that as part 599 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 2: of the curation, but I really try to curate, you know, 600 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 2: the best. I mean, I'm gonna I'm never gonna get 601 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 2: like I would a lot of Harry styles. That's not 602 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 2: gonna happen. You know. It's really live in the Vineyard 603 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 2: has always been the discovery of music and the discovery 604 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 2: even like for example, like Linda Perry, she's amazing, she's 605 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 2: going to be doing the upcoming event now, but she's 606 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,959 Speaker 2: a producer, she's a write, a songwriter, she is a philanthropist, 607 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 2: she's a mentor for females, so you know, she has 608 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 2: she kind of falls in at checking all the boxes 609 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 2: category where everyone's in the room for her. So she 610 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 2: can network with all of these artists that you know 611 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 2: that would probably die to work with her, or she 612 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 2: can network with the supervisors or talk to the press 613 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 2: or you mean, help help people touch people. 614 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 4: You know. 615 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 2: And then there's the little baby artists you know, like 616 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 2: that that come in that you know you just really 617 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 2: want to have. You just really are kind of rooting 618 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 2: for them, you know. But it's it's definitely not a plus. 619 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 3: B will see, it's part of your success though, just 620 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 3: not being ever completely satisfied. 621 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 2: Probably I'm I'm the I'm my worst critic for sure. 622 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,280 Speaker 2: I'm super hard on myself, like really hard on myself 623 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 2: because I'm always striving to be the best. You know 624 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 2: that everyone you know, offering the best platform for for everyone. 625 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 2: You know, ro O I have to show, you know, 626 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 2: have to have ROI. You know everyone defines ROI in 627 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 2: different ways, but I really really like, I'm so like, 628 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 2: have to create that, you know, have to have that. 629 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 2: It's not about you know, it's it's there's only so 630 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 2: many slots, you know, there's and I have to be 631 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 2: really respectful of like, you know, putting the right putting 632 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 2: artists that sound alike can't do that, you know, look 633 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 2: alike sound alike. Nope, can't do that. You know, have 634 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 2: to really be careful of the environment, into the backdrop 635 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 2: of what works, you know, what artists would work in 636 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 2: what environment, and then also keeping keeping the crowd in check, 637 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 2: you know, Like everyone's very attentive at our events, Like 638 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it's almost kind of strange because people are 639 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 2: listening and they're like at attention, and artists are like 640 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 2: they're not used to that they're used to going to 641 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 2: and it's people are like, is this a convention? No, 642 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 2: farthest thing from it, because at the convention you're like, 643 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 2: who's on stage? Everyone's like wow, talking, you know, NonStop, 644 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 2: and and at our events, people really pay it, you know, 645 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 2: they pay attention and they network and you know, we 646 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 2: really try to give every artist that spotlight. But yeah, 647 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 2: I am so critical, and so I don't need anybody 648 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 2: to be critical because I'm already critical of myself and 649 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 2: hard on myself to make it the best, you know, 650 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 2: the best event it can be and to keep evolving. 651 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 2: That's hard. But I mean I try every single time, 652 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 2: I really really try to, you know, to take it 653 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 2: to that next level. 654 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 3: Isn't the absence of fear of failure key to innovation, 655 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 3: to creating new things? 656 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 2: Fear of failure? I don't. I'm not scared of failure 657 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 2: because I because I really try. I mean, I'm such 658 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 2: a perfectionist, you know that. I think that if you 659 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 2: don't try, you failed. That's kind of my dad talking 660 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 2: to me. And I think that if you just keep 661 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 2: if you surround yourself with great people and just continue 662 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 2: to listen and be honest and sometimes have you know, 663 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 2: sometimes have people have hard conversations with you, or you 664 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 2: have hard conversations with them, or you know, not everything 665 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 2: is like happy clappy and Rosie Rosie and you. But 666 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 2: I try to be. I try to live my life 667 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 2: like that, you know, I really try to. I just 668 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 2: try to be you know, try to listen, I mean 669 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 2: really listen and what people want, because if I don't listen, 670 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 2: then then yes, it could be bad, it could be 671 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 2: you know, a failure. But I think that even if 672 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 2: I have those the hard conversations and people saying, you know, oh, well, 673 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 2: why do you do it this way or why do 674 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 2: you do it that way? I really feel I can 675 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 2: I can explain myself in a very logical way why 676 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 2: people would would think the way that they're thinking. I 677 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 2: can not change their mind, but also put my you know, 678 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 2: have a seat at the table, be able to have 679 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 2: a seat at the table consistently well. 680 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 3: In closing, I'm thinking about you and your your entrepreneurial approach, 681 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 3: and certainly with that comes being a dreamer and dreaming big. 682 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 3: So what are you dreaming about that you haven't accomplished yet? 683 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 2: They're asking these questions. I've done all sorts of really 684 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 2: amazing things. I really think that I would love to, 685 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 2: you know, have more brands, you know, like like my 686 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 2: my north stars. You know that I would really like 687 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 2: to have involved and be able to grow. I love 688 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 2: to to take things on the road, you know, I 689 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 2: loved I would say, I would say my north star 690 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 2: for right now is to be able to have a 691 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 2: television concept or televis vision show be spun off from 692 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 2: breaking artist careers. I think that would be probably a 693 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 2: part of my north star because I think that that's 694 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 2: the piece, that there's something to it. Something will happen. 695 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 2: I don't know what, and I don't know when, but 696 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 2: I really do believe in putting it out there to 697 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 2: the universe. Like I talk about things all the time, 698 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 2: even to myself out loud, but they all have come true. 699 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 2: And you know, in I just yeah, I really think 700 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 2: a TV show but not about me, you know, about 701 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 2: the concept about artists, about how hard they work. And 702 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 2: I always, like I said this to my kids in 703 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 2: the past, you know, when it comes to you know, 704 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 2: like all this streaming and new I said to them, 705 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 2: I go download the music, pay for the music. If 706 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 2: it's like taking a picture off the wall, and if 707 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 2: you go go into an art gallery and you put 708 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 2: take the picture and walk out of the door and 709 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 2: put in your car. That's the way I consider music. 710 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 2: You know, with artists, it's their life. You can't just 711 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 2: not pay for it, you know, you can't. You have 712 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 2: to be a part of it. And I just think 713 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 2: that artists give their guts, you know, they give everything 714 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 2: every day, you know, to go right or to be 715 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 2: to go on stage. And it's like, I just think 716 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 2: if if there's somehow a story or a consistent like 717 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 2: some sort of series about that, I think that would 718 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,839 Speaker 2: be amazing. I think that's I think that's for the moment. 719 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 4: My north star, Bobby. 720 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,359 Speaker 3: You're a case study in leadership and in strategy and 721 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 3: and dreaming big. 722 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 4: And I thank you for being on the podcast. 723 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 2: Ah, thanks, Buzz, that was very sweet of you. I 724 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 2: I just I'm very grateful for being able to am 725 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 2: very blessed for being able to do what I do, 726 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 2: and I I really really really love it. 727 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 728 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: Walk Podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 729 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking 730 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts 731 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: and wherever you get your podcasts