WEBVTT - Congressman Jim McGovern Talks US and Venezuela Tensions

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's stick with Venezuela for a moment, though, knowing that

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<v Speaker 2>this boat has been seized and the look, we've got

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<v Speaker 2>another six tankers that have been sanctioned, so we could

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<v Speaker 2>soon have our own shadow fleet. It sounds like the

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<v Speaker 2>President talked about this yesterday at the White House.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about a lot of things, but one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things it's about is the fact that they've allowed millions

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<v Speaker 1>of people to come into our country from their.

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<v Speaker 2>Prisons, from gangs, from drug dealers, and from mental institutions,

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<v Speaker 2>probably proportionately more than anybody else.

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<v Speaker 3>So it has to do with a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>They've treated us badly, and I guess now we're not

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<v Speaker 2>treating them so good. That's where we start our conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with the gentleman from Massachusetts who has authored a war

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<v Speaker 2>Powers Act that could soon hit the floor less. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>the Speaker doesn't want to see that happen. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation that Democrats and Republicans are having here in Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim McGovern, Democrat from massachuse It's ranking member on the

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<v Speaker 2>House Rules Committee with us in studio right now.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really great to see you. Happy to be with

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<v Speaker 3>you for coming in combine pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>You've introduced this War Powers resolution some time ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Will it hit the floor soit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I expect to force a vote on it next week.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be ripe to be considered on Wednesday or Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>of next week. We have Republican co sponsors Representative Massy

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<v Speaker 1>and Representative Bacon and Marjorie Taylor Green on our on

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<v Speaker 1>boards on this resolution as well. You know, again, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not a democratic initiative. I mean these are This

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<v Speaker 1>is a bipartisan effort by those of us who actually

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<v Speaker 1>believe the Constitution means something and Congress has a role

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<v Speaker 1>to play, and we don't want this president going into

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<v Speaker 1>a war without a debate and without a vote and

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<v Speaker 1>authorization by Congress.

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<v Speaker 3>Would this be specific to Venezuela or more broad.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be specific to Venezuela because that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's the conflict we seem to be getting sucked into.

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<v Speaker 1>Although you know the clipp you just showed of the resident,

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<v Speaker 1>he went on to further threat in Columbia, you know

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<v Speaker 1>where he might do further action. But look at wars

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<v Speaker 1>are easy to get into. Their hard as hell to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of. And we have a history, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>of talking tough, of getting sucked into these wars that

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<v Speaker 1>cost you know, billions of billions of dollars, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we find ourselves in a quagmire that we can't get

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<v Speaker 1>out of.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I know for a fact that you understand the

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<v Speaker 2>politics of the Caribbean better than most on Capitol Hill.

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<v Speaker 2>You helped to begin normalizing relations with Cuba in the

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<v Speaker 2>Obama administration. You've spent a lot of time in the region.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think the president's aim is here?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it regime change or something else?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's oil quite frankly, Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>this president is not about promoting human rights. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>give a damn about democracy, and this is not about drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he pardoned the former president of Honduras who

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the biggest ra narco traffickers in.

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<v Speaker 3>The world, hundreds of tons of coaches.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I think, I mean, there must be some

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<v Speaker 1>financial interest in pursuing this policy for the president, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's all he really cares about, making money for his

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<v Speaker 1>family and money for those who are close close to him. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>our history in Latin America has been one of arrogance,

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<v Speaker 1>has been one of putting profits ahead of human rights.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, this administration doesn't give a damn

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<v Speaker 1>about human rights. They just issued their National Security strategy

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the first administration that has removed the

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<v Speaker 1>word human rights from the from the strategy. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is about Donald Trump's ego and it's about I think oil.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's that's why we're seasoned tankers.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Again, it would be nice if we had

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<v Speaker 1>a functioning Congress that would call his administration up and

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<v Speaker 1>ask these questions like why are we doing this?

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<v Speaker 4>Why?

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<v Speaker 1>Now? Again, this is not about drugs. More drugs are

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<v Speaker 1>coming from Mexico and China right than from Venezuela. So

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<v Speaker 1>what is the strategy here? And the President's threatening you know,

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<v Speaker 1>action on the ground in Venezuela. Now that's that's war.

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<v Speaker 1>He's threatening to cut off you know, air traffic.

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<v Speaker 3>Are going to do the land.

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<v Speaker 2>So you think that he would actually strike with around

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<v Speaker 2>targets in Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if he does, that's an act of war.

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<v Speaker 3>That's an act of war. Blowing up drug boats not

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<v Speaker 3>an active war. Well, I mean I think it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we have some of my colleagues are debating

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<v Speaker 1>that issue, but not only blowing up drug boats. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it appears that we are guilty of serious human rights

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<v Speaker 1>crimes by actually palmming survivors who are begging for help.

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<v Speaker 3>Again.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Congress ought to be demanding a clearly defined

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<v Speaker 1>mission in terms of what he is doing in Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 1>and up to this point there have been very few

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<v Speaker 1>question questions and he's provided very few answers.

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<v Speaker 2>You said something interesting of functioning Congress is back off

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<v Speaker 2>what we're talking about here for a minute. We are

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<v Speaker 2>in a world now where it does seem that discharge

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<v Speaker 2>petitions and reconciliation bills are the only way to get

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<v Speaker 2>anything done in the Congress.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you feel that way? Committee? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I mean this Congress under Republican leadership does not function.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not working. It is a terrible disservice to

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<v Speaker 1>the American people. This is a place where trivial issues

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<v Speaker 1>are getting debated passionately, and important ones not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we have a healthcare crisis right now. People

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<v Speaker 1>are seeing their healthcare premiums skyrocket. People are deciding to

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<v Speaker 1>go without health insurance next year because the costs are

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<v Speaker 1>so high. We need to be talking about extending the

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<v Speaker 1>ACA tax credits so that people can afford their health insurance.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're not doing that. We're talking about stupid stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that is probably not even going to go even

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<v Speaker 1>be considered by the Senate, that is going nowhere. I mean, again, Congress,

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<v Speaker 1>a functioning Congress means that we do the work of

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<v Speaker 1>the American people. And I'd like to think, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what your politics may be, you know, making sure that

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<v Speaker 1>we are addressing issues of affordability, which includes the cost

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<v Speaker 1>of health care, are front and center. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>the Republicans have a plan, then bring the plan to us,

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<v Speaker 1>let's debate it and vote on it. They've got nothing, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about healthcare. Because the Republicans put up bill

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<v Speaker 1>in the Senate yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>It failed.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the Democratic plan failed. The Democratic plan, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>would extend Obamacare subsidies. The Republican plan produced by Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Cassidy would have health savings accounts.

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<v Speaker 3>Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>When I spoke with Nicole Malia Takis yesterday, who is

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<v Speaker 2>signed on to a bipartisan effort in the House, D's

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<v Speaker 2>and ours that would extend the subsidies, would add some

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<v Speaker 2>eligibility controls as well, because someone like Nicole Malia Takis

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<v Speaker 2>is not.

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<v Speaker 3>A fan of the affordable character. She told us yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's listen.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there's so much fraud here, which is why we

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<v Speaker 4>think we have the proper balance, and this gives us

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<v Speaker 4>enough time, by the way, to then work over the

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<v Speaker 4>next year or two to be able to come up

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<v Speaker 4>with something that can truly replace the Affordable Care Act

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<v Speaker 4>and bring costs down. Now, what the Speaker and leadership

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<v Speaker 4>are saying is that we're going to take up a

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<v Speaker 4>health savings account measure which will help people certainly with

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<v Speaker 4>their medical costs. And I support that initiative, but it

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't go far enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but this is unlikely to see the floor unless

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<v Speaker 2>the discharge petition makes that happen.

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<v Speaker 1>But we do with the discharge petition route, we won't

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<v Speaker 1>be able to get to it until probably in early January.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>My question to Representative Malia Takasay is like, where the

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<v Speaker 1>hell have you been? I mean, you're a Republican, your

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<v Speaker 1>party's in charge. We've been talking about this issue from months.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not something's just for the right since before

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<v Speaker 1>the shutdown, well before, we've been talking about it during reconciliation. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we go back months and months and months, and

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<v Speaker 1>we've been saying we got to focus on this, and

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<v Speaker 1>all we've been hearing from Republicans is like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to it, We'll get to it. And now

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<v Speaker 1>we're out of time. People are going to lose their

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<v Speaker 1>health insurance. Healthcare ought to be considered a fundamental human

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<v Speaker 1>right for everybody in this country. You know, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you need health care. If you don't have health care,

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<v Speaker 1>you end up in an emergency room, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is this is crazy. So look, I

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<v Speaker 1>there were a number of discharge petitions that are going

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<v Speaker 1>to that have been introduced with various approaches to helping

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<v Speaker 1>people afford their health insurance. I mean, let's let let's

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what the US one is and let's move

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<v Speaker 1>on it. But the stalling and the excuses and the

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<v Speaker 1>faker pointing it has to end. You know, we have

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<v Speaker 1>been we want to debate this issue, we want to

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<v Speaker 1>vote on this issue. We want to help the millions

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<v Speaker 1>of people in this country who are about to get screwed.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the conversation in Worcester, Massachusetts. Right now, if you

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<v Speaker 2>stop in Kelly Square and ask somebody about their health insurance,

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<v Speaker 2>are they seeing these increases in dropping off the rolls

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<v Speaker 2>or are they saying I can't afford it any way?

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<v Speaker 3>So to your point, I'm going to go to the

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<v Speaker 3>emergency room, I guess so.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're hearing some really terrible stories of people

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<v Speaker 1>basically saying I can't afford by health insurance. Our office

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<v Speaker 1>is getting innudated with calls. Look at people in Worcester

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<v Speaker 1>just want us to do our job, and they get it.

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<v Speaker 1>There are differences between Democrats and Republicans, but at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, they want us to get something done.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to agree on everything to agree on something,

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<v Speaker 1>but whatever that's something is. It has to be about

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<v Speaker 1>improving the quality of life for the people who live

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<v Speaker 1>in Worcestern all around the country. And the problem with

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<v Speaker 1>what some of the what the Senate did on the

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<v Speaker 1>Republican side is the stuff that they're proposing.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it doesn't mean anything in anybody's life.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, saying I'm fixing healthcare, but in reality,

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<v Speaker 1>not fixing healthcare, not making it more affordable.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that doesn't help anybody, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we ought to have a larger discussion how

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<v Speaker 1>we fix our entire healthcare system because it's a mess.

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<v Speaker 1>It's two for profit oriented. But we're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>do that in a week or two.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, we need to extend these tax credits so

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<v Speaker 1>that millions of people don't see their premium skyrocket and

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<v Speaker 1>millions don't lose their health insurance.

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<v Speaker 3>We've only got about a minute left here.

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<v Speaker 2>A terminal user just wrote us while we're talking, ask

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<v Speaker 2>the congressman why the ACA failed that they designed.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I can reframe that a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of Republicans come on the air and they

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<v Speaker 2>say this thing was never affordable. Obamacare itself has raised premiums.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this plan broken?

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<v Speaker 3>No, look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's not perfect. Yeah, but it is better

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<v Speaker 1>than the alternative, which is no ACA.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the bottom line is millions and millions of

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<v Speaker 1>people have now have coverage because of the Affordable Care Act.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if we extended the tax credits, it's affordable.

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<v Speaker 1>But as I said, we need we need to have

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger conversation look at it. If it was up

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<v Speaker 1>to me, we would have a Medicare for All system.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was the chairman of the Rules Committee, we

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<v Speaker 1>were the first committee needed the House or Senate to

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<v Speaker 1>do a hearing. I'm Medicare for All, and I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you it was a very, very powerful hearing. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to fix healthcare holistically, you know it's going to take

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<v Speaker 1>some time. In the meantime, let's extend those tax credits.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's let's help people afford their health insurance.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk when the War Powers Act hits the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got a lot more to talk about. Congressman, Let's

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<v Speaker 2>do this next time at Coney Island.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Onions or no, Yeah, with onions. With onions, it's the

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<v Speaker 3>only way to That's how dogs in the world. They

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<v Speaker 3>really are too. I'm Jill Matthew in Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>Congressman Jim McGovern of Massachusetts, this is Bluebird.