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Speaker 1: Welcome to this week's episode of a Cowboy Life, the

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Speaker 1: storytelling podcast, presented to you by Smoothie King. Blending goodness

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Speaker 1: to fuel your greatness. I'm Brady Tinker. This week we

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Speaker 1: dive into the amazing story of Ed two Tall Jones,

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Speaker 1: Big Number seventy two. Ed was the number one overall

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four. Gil Brandt and Tom Landry were so

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Speaker 1: fired up to pair ed with Harvey Martin. Well, well,

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Speaker 1: it's Doomsday defense all over again. Please enjoy Ed Jones story.

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Speaker 1: You're too tall for football. When I first started elimentary school,

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Speaker 1: little girls. Then I started growing in spurts, actually had

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Speaker 1: growing pains and didn't know what it was because I

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Speaker 1: grew up on a farm and I did a lot

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Speaker 1: of crazy stuff out there, from watching Weston movies and

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Speaker 1: just something that I was doing that I shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: been doing. But it was growing pains. I didn't stop

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Speaker 1: growing until I was twenty five. When Dallas drafted me,

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Speaker 1: I was six seven, and I grew another two inches

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Speaker 1: since join the I did not know. And that is

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Speaker 1: the voice of Edward Lee two tall Jones who played

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Speaker 1: his entire fifteen year career for the Dallas Cowboys and

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Speaker 1: a mass one hundred and six sacks and hundreds of

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Speaker 1: batter down passes. He played in sixteen playoff games in

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Speaker 1: three Super Bowls. He was a dominant force with the

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Speaker 1: Doomsday two defense. So from small like the little girls,

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Speaker 1: too tall almost overnight as a kid, how tall are

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Speaker 1: we talking here? When I was in junior high in

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Speaker 1: high school, my mom had to buy my jeans and

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Speaker 1: slacks and all that stuff about four inches longer. So

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Speaker 1: those growing pains were felt mostly in your legs and

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Speaker 1: your hips. I got it. What about your family? Ed

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Speaker 1: so lucky to have committed parents to the family like

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Speaker 1: I had growing up. I grew up on a farm

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Speaker 1: in West Tennessee. Never liked that farming though, never like

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Speaker 1: that lifestyle, but never complained, and my mom and dad

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Speaker 1: only finished high school. They wanted a big family. When

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Speaker 1: they discussed marriage at a very young age, they decided,

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Speaker 1: we want ten kids. Rural farming communities, especially in the

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Speaker 1: fifties and sixties, were famous for families with lots of kids.

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Speaker 1: It takes a lot of strong backs to have a farm.

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Speaker 1: But ten kids. Here's one of Ed's friends from his

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Speaker 1: hometown of Jackson, Tennessee. One of his childhood friends, Derek Brett.

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Speaker 1: We grew up in a community where all families were families.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like you said fong about a village

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Speaker 1: to raise the jowl. Well, it was truly a village.

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Speaker 1: Lots of like minded people working the land, kids playing

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Speaker 1: other's families. Tell me more about your parents, Jack and Abbey.

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Speaker 1: They were determined that all of those going to college,

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Speaker 1: and all of us did. Wow. Eight kids were raised

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Speaker 1: Eight Here's another lifelong friend of Ed's, Ken at Water.

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Speaker 1: Our experiences like any Afro American teenager growing up in

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Speaker 1: a small town in Tennessee. Our folks were very focused

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Speaker 1: of trouble, plan sport. Now, most of that sounds similar

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Speaker 1: to my neighborhood in Kansas. Stay out of trouble, do

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Speaker 1: that part's different. Are you guys all a close knit group.

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Speaker 1: We're very close. We get together every Christmas in Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: where we're from, and my family lived all over New York, Chicogo.

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Speaker 1: We walk anywhere and we have a family reunion every where,

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Speaker 1: somewhere different. My mom thought it would be great if

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Speaker 1: we travel somewhere, you know, rather than just reading history

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Speaker 1: each other. As everyone in the Jones family was becoming adults,

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Speaker 1: Abbey insisted on family gatherings that would bring everyone together

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Speaker 1: and offer an education about our country at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to Ed's friend Derek. I've been to

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Speaker 1: several of the family reunions. Last when I went, we

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Speaker 1: mat of fact, the sisters called me their brothers. Sisters.

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Speaker 1: Derek mentioned because the Jones family is predominantly women, Abbey

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Speaker 1: other brothers. So a friend, Derek being another brother makes

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Speaker 1: some sense. It was a tight knit community, so friends

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Speaker 1: a farming community lots of loving family and friends. But

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Speaker 1: let's get to sports. What sports did you grow up loving? Baseball,

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Speaker 1: boxing and basketball? Boxing? Because my dad was a big

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Speaker 1: knew we'd get to go outside and play catch. That's

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Speaker 1: how I got interested in boxing. That's a great story.

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Speaker 1: I can see you sitting there taking in your father's

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Speaker 1: and dear to your heart forever. So boxing, my mom

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Speaker 1: would always tell me, she said, son, if you do

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Speaker 1: you eat together. And so I would start doing my

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Speaker 1: it was your father's favorite sport. Who touched a box?

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Speaker 1: Ray for Collins was his name, who worked with seven

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Speaker 1: Olympians the first time I went, and he just took

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Speaker 1: Rayford Collins is now in the Jackson, Tennessee Sports Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame, and he famously coached Jackie Beard, who qualified

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Speaker 1: had illegally invaded Afghanistan. So how good were you getting

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Speaker 1: in the ring? When I got to high school? I

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Speaker 1: fought in the Golden Gloves, never lost the fight, and

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Speaker 1: think is still a record in the state at Tennessee

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Speaker 1: to confirm that record still sits, but it sounds like

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Speaker 1: that poor bastard had a short. I made the front page.

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Speaker 1: Now my little town in Jackson, Tennessee. If you make

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Speaker 1: the front page, I don't care what it is, it's

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Speaker 1: a big deal. Unfortunately for me, my coach saw it

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Speaker 1: and gave me an ultimatum. And he was the basketball

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Speaker 1: He said, either you got to give up boxing, or

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Speaker 1: you can't play basketball, a baseball whatever. The no brainer,

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Speaker 1: A no brainer because baseball was his dad's other favorite

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Speaker 1: baseball and basketball, but now no to boxing. That still

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Speaker 1: young age like that. It it hurt. I didn't show it,

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Speaker 1: hurt a lot, and I knew one day I fight again.

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Speaker 1: Now it's coming together for me on the boxing thing.

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Speaker 1: Throughout your life, But I'm still thinking about the guy

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Speaker 1: He caught a combination. He caught a barrage of punches,

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Speaker 1: big and tall with long arms and shockingly quick hands.

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Speaker 1: But wait, your dad had to have been disappointed about

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Speaker 1: your being forced to give up boxing. My dad was

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Speaker 1: I discussed it with my mom like I would do everything,

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Speaker 1: Jones's talented boxing Son ed stopped boxing when he'd reached

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Speaker 1: gold glove status. But he didn't ask you why. You

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Speaker 1: may have dodged a bullet there, dude, or maybe you

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Speaker 1: and your high school coach both did so. No, I

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Speaker 1: didn't ask back. The family friend Derek was a basketball

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Speaker 1: my father would travel wherever they were playing. He'd go

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Speaker 1: telling me what a great athlete he was, what a

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Speaker 1: watched the Merry High school team religiously played basketball. There

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Speaker 1: deep into your high school sports career and I've heard boxing, basketball,

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Speaker 1: my brother in law, who married my oldest sister, used

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Speaker 1: me playing Sanlock one Sunday after church. He said, you

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Speaker 1: That's what he thought. Again, James Matthews, your brother in

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Speaker 1: That was Tom Landry. He lived in the moment and

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Speaker 1: Always be selling, right, coach, let's get to the draft.

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Speaker 1: The word around me was you will go high. After

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Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks and running backs agor because doing it

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Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six to nineteen seventy three, leading up to

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Speaker 1: chosen first overall two in thirty seven years. But the

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Speaker 1: the first round. So Dallas called me up and said,

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Speaker 1: gave me the date of the draft, and said who

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Speaker 1: do you want to bring with you? First of all,

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Speaker 1: I'm going, who is this pulling this prank on me?

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Speaker 1: But I recognized his voice. It was Give Brett, and

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Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean. He said, we've taken

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Speaker 1: you number one. We will fly out whoever you want

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Speaker 1: to come in with you. So I said, okay. My

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Speaker 1: brother in law got me in a football friend and

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Speaker 1: my head coach, John Merritt. So I called them and

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Speaker 1: they said what I said, Man, he wanted now that

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Speaker 1: he wanted ticket us for Dallas. Are you in? They said, sure,

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Speaker 1: it can't be true. Heisman Trophy winning running back John

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Speaker 1: Cappelletti is in this draft. And by the way, it's

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Speaker 1: a good time right here for Ed to remind you

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Speaker 1: about this. In nineteen seventy three, the Cowboys traded Billy

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Speaker 1: Parks receiver Toby Smith, a defensive end, to Houston for

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Speaker 1: that number one pick, and Houston was all excited about

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Speaker 1: it and finished last. And that's how Dallas got that

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Speaker 1: number one overall pick. Man Dallas has been going upside

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Speaker 1: the head of the Houston football teams for sixty years,

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Speaker 1: which is nice. Okay, let's get back to the draft

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Speaker 1: in Dallas for Ed and his friends. So we go

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Speaker 1: to Dallas and we stand at the hotel next to

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Speaker 1: the headquarters. They sent a representative from the Cowboys over

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Speaker 1: to say, hey, you guys, they have great steakhouses here.

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Speaker 1: Whatever said, go wherever you want to bring the receipt back,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna pick it up. So okay. So I met

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Speaker 1: coach Merritt in its room alone with my brother in law,

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Speaker 1: and he said, look, guys, Ed, they're not gonna take

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Speaker 1: you number one overall. And I said, why are we here?

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Speaker 1: They said, Ed, they probably got quarterbacks some hotel. Running

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Speaker 1: back to the other hotels, he said, so let's go

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Speaker 1: to the nicest steakhouse in town and have the best

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Speaker 1: steak and best wine on the venue. Let's go. In

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four in Dallas, you ate French food at Marcel's,

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Speaker 1: Kirby's Steakhouse. Ed didn't tell me where they went. I

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Speaker 1: just figured i'd answer the question in case you were

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Speaker 1: thinking it with a knock on m due at six am.

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Speaker 1: Helping to do it, a representative from Cowboy said, we

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Speaker 1: want you to meet coach Landry out in front of

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Speaker 1: the hotel at eight am to take a photo of

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Speaker 1: that your billboard welcoming you to Dallas. I said, you

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Speaker 1: telling me I'm on a billboard up in front of

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Speaker 1: the hotel. He said yes, he said, don't be late.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're putting a man on a billboard

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Speaker 1: in front of the hotel, right next to the Cowboys facility,

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Speaker 1: he's being taken first. Right. You did run and check

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Speaker 1: the sign, didn't you? One? Out there? It's a sign

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Speaker 1: that read welcome to the Dallas Cowboys. Ed two tall Jones.

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Speaker 1: So I ran and told my brother in law first,

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Speaker 1: and my brother law said, you're telling me it's your

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Speaker 1: name's on a billboard out there. I said yeah, So

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Speaker 1: he started using all this explicit language, said if you

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Speaker 1: lied to me, I can't even repeaque what he said.

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Speaker 1: He said, let's go tell coach maryor Coach Merry had

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Speaker 1: already ordered coffee, sitting in his room, drinking coffee, smoking

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Speaker 1: a cigar. We tell him he almost choked on a

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Speaker 1: cigar like he did when my brother in law first

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Speaker 1: introduced me to him when I was sending high school.

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Speaker 1: This is it ed two tall jones from Tennessee State

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Speaker 1: University and all Black school is going to be the

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Speaker 1: first player chosen in the NFL draft. I think we

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Speaker 1: go over and they said have a seat there. So

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Speaker 1: we're sitting there, we all looking at each other. I

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Speaker 1: know my coach and I know my brother in law.

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Speaker 1: They still don't believe it. Contime, they called me. In

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Speaker 1: the end, he announced that I was the first player chosen.

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Speaker 1: GiB Brant walked up and said, call you mom, rests issue.

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Speaker 1: The second player in that draft was a running back

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Speaker 1: named Bo Matthews from Colorado, and interestingly, at pick number five,

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Speaker 1: the Colts took defensive lineman John Dutton, who would later

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Speaker 1: starve with the Cowboys after a trade in nineteen seventy nine,

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Speaker 1: and by the way zero quarterbacks went in round number

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Speaker 1: one that year, Dallas drafted me number one overall to

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Speaker 1: be the right pass rushing defensive end doing that error.

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Speaker 1: Tis were right handed, Tis won't established the run. Most

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks were right ended, so you had a blind side

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Speaker 1: over it. So that's why they drafted me. Makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 1: Gil Brand had unearthed a long, fast defensive end to

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Speaker 1: terrorize quarterbacks from their blind side. It's perfect. After preseason

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Speaker 1: and I believe it was my fourth game, coach called

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Speaker 1: me in and said, you might not lack this, but

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to move you to the left end.

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Speaker 1: I said, left end in a four point stance two

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Speaker 1: and a half yards off the ball, Ki and all

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Speaker 1: these people, Because I knew what all it was was

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Speaker 1: going through. We talked about it. He said yes, he said,

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Speaker 1: in order for this flexive work, your left end have

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Speaker 1: to be a great technician against the run. I called

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Speaker 1: my coach, get him as a coach. You're not gonna

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Speaker 1: believe what's going on here. They are moving me to

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Speaker 1: left end in a four point stance that I've never

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Speaker 1: played other than goal line defense. Key in two sometimes

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Speaker 1: three people, which can take away your aggressive us You're

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Speaker 1: not careful. You you read too much, he said, Ed.

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Speaker 1: You're prepared to do anything to play any position they

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Speaker 1: put you at. He said, they and there. They wouldn't

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Speaker 1: put you somewhere they didn't think you could play it.

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Speaker 1: That's all I had to you. Wait a minute, That's

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Speaker 1: really all you had to hear. What about the glory

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Speaker 1: that comes with sacking the quarterback from the blindside? And dude,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to get your long ass legs cut

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Speaker 1: every running play by some tight end, do you. I'm

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Speaker 1: a team player. I don't believe in all those individual

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Speaker 1: stats and all that say, well, I do whatever I

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Speaker 1: have to do in order from my team to benefit

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Speaker 1: and win from it. Ed, you just wouldn't fit in

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Speaker 1: with today's players. Sacks make you money and get you

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Speaker 1: on Sports Center or DFW sports Be. One of the

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Speaker 1: things that my parents taught me was get along with

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Speaker 1: each other, love each other, have each other's back. That

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Speaker 1: started from day one. Ed is talking about day one

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Speaker 1: of his life. Jack and Abbey raised a tighten it

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Speaker 1: unse fish group of kids who cooperated and got along.

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Speaker 1: Love is powerful and it's a must in team sports.

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Speaker 1: It's just hard to cultivate childhood friend Ken at Water.

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Speaker 1: That was always sports being played against other people, so

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Speaker 1: we always did it together as a team. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're right, never thought about it, but that is definitely true.

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Speaker 1: So within stealing me at a very young age, the

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Speaker 1: importers are playing together, working at a team, working at

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Speaker 1: one unit. Big families with close knit neighborhoods. People have

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Speaker 1: each other's backs. So you're moving from pass rusher to

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Speaker 1: playing the run. Huh. I knew that I played the

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Speaker 1: run better than Harvey. Harvey knew it. I missed that

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Speaker 1: man so much, and we talked about this. Harvey is

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Speaker 1: one of the best pass rushers that played the game.

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Speaker 1: What the move coach Langler made was the right move.

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Speaker 1: He moved from left to right and he was just

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Speaker 1: absolutely and ran the White Ode just I don't have

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Speaker 1: to say anymore devastating. So the Cowboys are set. Then

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Speaker 1: the flex defense is gathering its pieces to be dominant again.

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Speaker 1: And Randy he mentioned, is Randy White, the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame defensive lineman that was drafted on the Cowboys that

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Speaker 1: very next year in nineteen seventy five. Harvey Martin, Randy White,

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Speaker 1: and two Tall Jones devastating super Bowls are coming. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening to part one of Ed jones Story two

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Speaker 1: Tall for football, and thanks to Ed's lifelong friends Derek

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Speaker 1: Britt and Ken Atwater for chiming in on their friendship

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Speaker 1: with Ed. Please please join us next week for the

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Speaker 1: conclusion of Two Tall Jones, a story you are going

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Speaker 1: to love. The twists and turns of this story is

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Speaker 1: yet to take