WEBVTT - Momo Videos, Momo Problems 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:11.119 It's ten pm at a book publishing party circa nineteen 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:29.520 seven in New York City, and you're listening to Night Call. Hello, 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:33.320 and welcome to Night Call podcast for your Strange Days 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.920 and lonely nights. My name is Emily Oshida. I am 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:38.959 here in New York and with me on the other 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:45.360 end of the line is Molly Lambert and Tess Lynch. Hello, Hello, Momo. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.600 That's what I was just gonna say. Hello, Hello, A 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:53.440 minute for momos, the Momo minute, a Momo mom, a 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.400 meme mom for momoh. If you haven't heard about the 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.760 Momo challenge, Molly and Emily and I just kind of 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:02.880 talk about it. There was this hoax going around that 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:09.440 um there's this Japanese sculpture, uh that is called Mother Bird, 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:13.800 and it looks it's like a chicken. It's it's like 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:19.440 a breasted bird lady like a like a junji Eto 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:24.039 slash Tim Burton, like like circa Beetle Juice creation. It 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.600 looks specifically like the bird face people in Beetlejuice. It's 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:29.840 like a woman with a bird face who has like 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.240 crazy bulging out eyes and like a mouth that's just 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.039 kind of a straight line in a v and it's scary. 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.640 It's super scary. Yeah, but what what exactly happened? I 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:43.440 have questions happened? Is that somehow I don't know how 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.560 it started, but this meme, essentially it's a meme. There 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.960 was like people started hearing that Momo was appearing in 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.560 YouTube videos in the middle of YouTube videos aimed at 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.600 children and telling children, like in the middle of like 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.080 a pepper Pig video, this is the story urban legend. 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.560 You don't know, like YouTube for your kids, and in 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:03.720 the middle of a puppet pig video, Bomo appears and 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:07.880 tells your kids to kill themselves and their parents. Yeah 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.800 or yeah, it's the Momo challenges to kill yourself and 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.760 get others and kill your parents. So I was so 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.640 I was under the impression that the Momo challenge was 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.079 to watch the pepper Pig video in question and come 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.840 out of it not wanting to kill yourself. Challenges to 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:26.960 kill yourself and your parents right to kill yourself. But 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:28.960 then I was researching it and there was another one 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:32.280 called the Blue Whale Challenge, which is what that Black 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.680 Mirror episode Shut Up and Dance I think is based on. 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.600 And the Blue Whale Challenge is another like apocryphal urban legend, 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.840 like you know, the challenge kids loft challenges, and that 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:46.160 one supposedly starts with like mundane things and then escalates 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.440 to like you have to kill somebody. You know, it's 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.839 do this challenge first. It's like, you know, go take 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:58.920 the milk and a bike and starting scavenger hunt and 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.880 ends really dark. Again. I couldn't find any real information 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.880 about it. They are like news articles from every country. 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.840 It seems like that one was more like Eastern Europe based. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.560 So it feels like the deal with Momo though, is 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.400 that all these parents have been talking about it, like 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.440 saying it's traumatized their children or something. But yet the 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.160 videos that I've seen are all like videos taken of 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:27.760 somebody else. It doesn't exactly panic however, breaking news, which 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:29.920 won't be breaking news when you listen to this episode. 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:34.480 The sculpture has been destroyed. Why the creator of the 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:41.720 sculpture decided to throw it away? I'm sure it'll reform 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:45.680 out of the pieces, the shattered pieces. Maybe Momo is 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:50.640 getting all the blame here, and I am a Momo 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:55.000 stand I think Momo is stand legend, stay allegend. I 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.880 feel like almost just the female slenderman. But for some reason, 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.200 the fact that it's female and like just a weird 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:06.600 looking like weird girl makes me be like, Momo has 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.240 never done anything wrong. Did you see that somebody tried 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:16.680 to face tune Momo? They were immediately like CUTEI Momos. 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.599 I have two things to add to this discussion. Number 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.880 one is that my husband had mentioned to me that 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:25.640 we need to be careful of that he had heard 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:27.760 about the Momo challenge. She bought into it. He was like, 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.240 no more pepper Pig, and so I sent him this 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.960 really great article from the New York Times. John Hermann 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.000 wrote it called Momo is as real as We've made her, 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.520 which has like a lot of good points about how 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:43.320 Momo looks like a sleep deprived mother, Uh, exactly the 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.760 kind of person who is handing the phone to her 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.800 child saying watch all the pepper Pig and the streaming 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:53.000 to crap that you want. So how it's basically momos 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.920 kind of playing on our like guilt of the fact 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.200 that you know, the real threat is that you're just 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.120 kind of giving your kid a stream of YouTube and 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.159 you don't know what they'll see, the possibility that they'll 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:08.840 see something that's like, actually horrifying exists also, So I 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:12.280 texted this to my husband. Then on Sunday morning, I 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.640 was sick, so I decided to let my three year 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:16.960 old have my phone and watch Pep a Pig on 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.320 YouTube and I give her the phone and she like 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:25.040 sees that there's a thumbnail of Momo that I've texted 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.400 to my husband, and she's like, what's that? And I 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.240 was like, I don't worry about this Momo, and she 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.279 was like, I can't wait to tell my friends about Momo. 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:39.080 And you can't mention Momo. You're gonna say you've just 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:45.359 unhoaxed the Momo. Sometimes that happens that like a fake 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.719 thing becomes a real thing. So I don't think anyone 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.320 ever did the tide pod challenge, but all the articles 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:57.360 that were like these children stop eating tide pods. Hysteria. 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:02.960 Um we you also want to revisit real quick at 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.760 the top of the show, Um, the city of Denver, 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:12.600 beautiful Denver, Colorado. Uh, we have gotten somewhere. Intel. For one, 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.799 there is a mobile game that was released just last 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.200 month or I guess two months ago now, in January 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:23.760 of this year, about Bluesifer, in which you are Bluecifer 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:28.280 the horse and you run around rampaging through Colorado. Um, well, 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.680 link to that on the Twitter. Actually I already did 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.920 link to it on the Twitter. Um. And so the 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:40.760 mumification of Bluecifer continues apace. And then the gargoyles. UH. 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:44.640 For a fun anniversary trick, they made the gargoyles come 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:48.320 to life at the Denver Airport and start talking to people, 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.520 which is not at all horrifying. Again, Denver Airport way 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.960 to just continue to meet the meet the expectations of 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.880 all air travelers that they should be just like surprised 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:01.359 and frightened upon landing. And you're, WHOA, what's that? I 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.560 saw gargoyle the other day. I was doing a hike 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.360 and there was a gargoyle in somebody's backyard. I thought 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:07.919 that was a good thing to put in your backyard. 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:09.920 You know, I don't like gargoyles, but I like them 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.400 better than I like murals. Well, it's like the least 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:16.040 amount of chill. Again, in keeping with all things d 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:21.240 I A. Yeah. Also on the subject of art that kills, 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.760 which somehow has become a running theme because we love, 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:29.720 we love Haunted portrait for the Velvet buzz Pod. I 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.560 just watched that again with David and uh and uh 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:36.040 it's it's real fun. It holds up on a second joid. 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:41.400 I gotta say, uh. Still Velvet tide pod nice. Uh. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.160 This this comes from our listener rum. This is going 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.880 back to we were talking about there's um ah, there's 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.680 a sculpture that's uh that that are these holes that 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.920 basically the way that they're presented, it looks like they 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:58.600 just go down forever because they're painted. Um they're painted 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.400 this particular shade of prietary black and the artist is 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:07.920 a Niche Kapoor. And our wrote to me on Instagram, So, 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:09.600 I hope it's okay to use this, but I feel 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.720 like this is this is a night call. But uh, 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.640 he said an Italian man. He shared an article from 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.400 Fast Company but about an Italian man who fell into 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.880 Nichs hole a few months ago. Maybe I misremembering, but 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:23.680 the first story I read about it said the man 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:25.600 stepped into the hole because he was trying to prove 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.640 a point that the hole wasn't really a hole. It 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.400 was just a circle painted on the floor in vant 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.960 to black Capor's proprietary black paint. That's apparently the darkest 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.520 paint ever produced by science UM. 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Speaking 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:35.320 of calling bluffs exactly, Molly pointed us to this article 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.560 in the New York Times magazine, which will be a 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.360 couple of weeks old at this point, but it's definitely 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:45.040 worth a read. That is about this sort of operation, 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.400 or I guess multiple operations. They all have very fun names. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:53.200 Um done by a woman named Susan Gerbick to kind 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:58.080 of debunk these psychics, which you said, celebrity psychics. So 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.240 I was thinking at first like psychics to the stuff ours, 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.480 but these are like psychics who are actually celebrities and 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.600 like commanded crowd, and you buy tickets to go see 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.600 them do uh, you know, readings and stuff in it, 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.760 although some of them are also like yeah, there's an 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.240 overlap for sure. I thought this article is super interesting, 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.880 especially the ending, Like I feel like, um, I've definitely 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.960 not just for stuff around psychics, but uh, you know, 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.880 astrology and everything like that. You and if you write 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:28.000 about this stuff or or um, you know, you you 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.520 express any kind of interest in it, you automatically kind 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:36.440 of come in contact with these types of rationalist debunker 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.600 types who are um, you know, just trying to make 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.400 sure that nobody believes in astrology or whatever whatever the 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.160 case may be. Uh. And I just thought that the 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.440 ending was so interesting because it was kind of about 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:50.679 I don't want to spoil it too much because it 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:52.120 does feel like a spoiler, but it was sort of 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.000 about the way in which even like a you know, 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:59.000 supposedly bullshit psychic reading can have some kind of power 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.800 or be important for people in a way besides it 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.640 just being like actually accurate and somebody talking to a 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:09.040 spirit or somebody uh, from Beyond the Grave. I thought 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.920 that was really interesting, but but the whole getting into 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.559 the operation was super interesting as well. Yeah, I mean 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.680 I think it definitely. You kind of start reading thinking 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.000 that it's going to be very unsympathetic to the psychics, 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:25.959 but then the author has like a very emotional experience 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.240 at one of these readings and you realize that there's 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:32.520 a need for something like this. Although the issue is 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.439 that you know that there was like another link um 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.600 within the article to one of my favorite pieces ever, 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:40.440 which is a few years old now, about the guy 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.599 who spent like seven and eighteen thousand dollars on psychics 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:45.640 and they were all just leading him on this like 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:47.920 wild Goose, she used to find this woman and it 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.400 just ruined his life. So obviously there are a lot 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:54.520 of bad actors there. But it's interesting because, like when 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:58.319 you totally do away with you know, people who deal 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:02.520 with things like grief and you know, people being very 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:06.160 lost in their lives and stuff, within a metaphysical way, 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.640 there's like a need there. So it's not all bad 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:13.200 and it does affect people positively, but it also you know, 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.800 you can definitely lead people down. It is religion a scam. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.400 It's like if it's a helpful thing for people, like 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.760 is it a scam? Uh? When when money starts getting involved, 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:27.280 that's when I think I get comes a scam. But 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.240 but also cold reading is a skill right right itself. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.520 I mean just like going into a crowd of people 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.760 or like finding a role row of elderly people or 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.120 people getting along in years at a in a conference 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.200 room and the back of a Crown Plaza hotel and 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.920 like saying, somebody here just lost a parent. I mean, 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:48.480 you're gonna you're gonna be right, probably, But like also 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.120 some like the fact that somebody would raise their hands 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.880 kind of means that they want they want to be seen. 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.160 They want to have a chance to like express um 0:13:58.280 --> 0:13:59.840 or like you know, be able to talk about it 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.480 in public or or with a stranger, um to be 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.080 recognized in that way or have their pain recognized or something. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.840 I think it's like therapy. It's like somebody pretending to 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.640 understand you or just like listening to you, and that 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:14.920 is like something maybe everybody needs. Well, this is the 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.880 thing I always say about astrology is that, like I 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.280 feel like the appeal of astrology is reading something that's 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.440 talking to you in second person, like addressing and telling 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.680 you things about yourself, like the the the idea that 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.600 somebody knows you and is like and can reflect that 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.640 back to you, even if it's not necessarily always accurate, 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.080 but that feels good. Like we want to hear people 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.480 tell us things about ourselves because I feel like a 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.080 lot of times we don't have an idea, like you know, 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.840 we it's hard to tell like what we're putting out there, 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:49.880 you know. Um, there was some really good eighteen hundreds 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.000 gossip kind of dropped into the middle of this article. 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.000 Just quote it. The poet Robert Browning once exposed the 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.920 mid nineteenth century Scottish psychic Daniel Home, who claimed to 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.600 conjure the spirit of Browning's infant son who died young. 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.040 Except Browning hadn't lost a son. Worse, the poet lunged 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.040 at the apparition to unmask it and found himself clutching 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:17.200 Homess bare foot. It was like, what excuse me? Which 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.720 is like an interesting thing to add to your idea 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.240 of Robert Browning. Um, I think I also told you. 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.800 I found out Thomas Edison was really into psychics and 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:28.840 believed in the afterlife. Yeah, yeah, I think the logic 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:33.400 is not incompatible with like there are things beyond logic. Also, 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:37.880 it's interesting how much time and energy the skeptics kind 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.480 of poured into creating these fake Facebook profiles and like 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.800 getting all costumed up and going to these psychic readings 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.920 and you know, kind I mean, it's a real gig man, 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.600 and you have to respect it because they are trying 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.240 to protect people from getting defrauded. But they're going they 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.400 must like it a little bit. Oh yeah, it's like 0:15:56.440 --> 0:16:00.960 the movie Cruising exactly. This is the under of her assignment. 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.080 You chose, yes, Yeah, It's really interesting. The way they 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.480 do it is just like they create this entire profile 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.800 and then they basically use it as bait for the 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.080 psychic to have already looked it up ahead of time, 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.800 because you you know, you give your information when you 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.680 buy a ticket, and so they can you know, they 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.600 can name names and stuff. But then you kind of 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.680 set that as a trap so that they'll fall for 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.120 this fake profile it's been created and give your reading 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:29.280 based on the fake profile. Yeah. Um. Related, Molly also 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:34.000 sent us an article about the Crystal influencer who is 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:38.920 also a fraud. What's her name again? Audrey kitchen MySpace 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.480 scene Queen Yes, and starting a smashing Pumpkins video that 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:46.000 part of her MySpace scene Queen. She was famous for 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.040 having pink hair and being like she did hair I 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:50.760 think for a long time. And she dated a guy 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:55.080 from either Panic at the Disco or one of those. Uh, 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:59.080 And now she has pivoted to new Age. And this 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.720 was an article about how she's like a fraud because 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:06.119 she's stealing other people's one idea, like here's my one. 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.080 It was about how she's like she she has rebranded 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.480 herself as new age, but like all of her quotes 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.399 are just stolen from other people. It kind of got 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.040 to the same place of like, well if it helps 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.679 somebody doesn't matter, like um, but also that all of 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:24.080 her supposedly like handmade whatever products that she's selling all 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:28.720 come from Ali Express, and like has these assistants who 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:32.200 the writer interviewed who were like, yes, she ruined my life, 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.520 um by promising me things and then forcing me to 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:40.520 do her laundry. Yeah, I don't know. For some reason, 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:44.200 I it is interesting to think about, like why this 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:49.040 makes me a little more irritated than like a likely 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:53.639 very fake psychic or media or something I don't know. 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.040 They talked to the other New ag people that she 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.639 like ripped things off from, and those people are like devastated. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.240 This well those people are also like so silly, but 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:06.240 you're like they're serious about it. I mean, at least 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.919 the fake psychics are taking time to sit down and 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.720 like connect with people, even if they're kind of using 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.639 clues that they found elsewhere or they're just after getting 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:20.480 a cynic exploiting. Yeah, it's cynical. Like even if you 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.320 know yourself on some love, if you're if you're a 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.320 touring psychic and you know that your thing is mostly 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.639 bullshit and you're using and you're looking at people's Facebook accounts, like, 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:31.920 there's still some part of it where it's like, well 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.520 I want to, like you know, hey, you're putting in 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.399 the time. Yeah, I want to, And I want to 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.880 give a meaningful experience to somebody, like you know, you're 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:44.359 like an actor. Yeah, sure, it's a girlfriend experience. She 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.760 doesn't seem like somebody that anybody would want to be like, 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:50.480 so it's weird she's formed a cult to personality. But 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:52.160 it also goes into the way that like New Age 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.199 stuff can just be narcissism, you know, like all the 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.800 group stuff that's like you wants is just like a 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.639 rich board person who doesn't have to work, like turns 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:05.400 entirely inward into the yoni yon just becomes one big 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:09.160 Yoni yoni fied. I think it's also kind of ties 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.840 in with the whole like thinking of each object as 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.119 having like a soul or a spirit or whatever, like 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.520 does it spark joy? What does it represent? Well, if 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.600 you're selling that and then you're really selling exactly, then 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.240 that's that really makes you wonder about the joy that 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.760 things can spark. I mean, I will say that, like 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.119 crystal yoni ones are not trademarkable, and a lot of 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:32.520 people make them. It was just clearly like she had 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:36.359 gotten them. That's my question. They show up on The 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.520 Real Housewives a lot. I've heard you're not supposed to 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:45.200 put crystals. You are not supposed because they're poorous, they're porous. Yeah, 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:49.000 I just wouldn't um, but people sell it as it's 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:52.800 like that they were the jade egg is giving people 0:19:52.880 --> 0:20:02.160 like right, right, But that's natural, guy to make your bread. Yeah, nice, 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.560 that's how you get the mother. I'm so sorry to 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.120 our listeners for what you We've just done to you. 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:15.840 Oh my god, momos here, hello kids, I am at 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.280 would talk. That's exactly actually, but that's what it sounds 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:25.800 like in the video. You know who reminds me of Momo? 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.600 Who could that be? Someone else who pops up when 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:33.560 you're not expecting? Oh slip. Let's talk about fatal attraction. 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:38.640 So we are embarking on a series of I guess 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.479 undetermined length as long as we feel like it. I guess. 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:48.080 Um call it an erotic journey. Yeah, an ironic hodyessey. 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.560 Now please join us as Night Call embarks on its 0:20:51.600 --> 0:21:14.800 first erotic odessey. We are going to be discussing films 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:20.000 that fit into the erotic thriller slash drama genre, a 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:25.040 genre which doesn't really exist anymore, and which is still 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.280 all of our favorite the most interesting. Even if it's 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:30.800 not my favorite, I just feel like it's the most like. 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:32.520 I don't know, I could talk for ages about some 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:37.080 of these movies. Um, yeah, it might be our favorite. Yeah, 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:41.280 I mean, it passes the night Called Test, the Venor Diagram, 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.000 it goes in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, we were 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.879 originally going to have this be a double feature. We 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.640 may have double features in the future. Um Our first 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:51.800 film that we're going to talk about is Fatal Attraction. 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:55.280 I had pitched that we do Fatal Attraction and the 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:57.880 Hand that Rocks the Cradle because they go really well together. 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:01.080 Do you call that one Natal Attraction, in which I 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.879 really wanted to use. We'll do that one in the 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:07.399 future for sure. Put it on Netflix. Netflix. Put it's 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.520 somewhere Netflix because we know where to see not. Yeah, 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:12.560 we can't watch it, but I've seen it so many 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:14.560 times that I feel like I could talk about it anyway, 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:16.760 but I would like to watch. You know what I 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:20.520 watched instead of uh, well, I watched two things instead 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:22.760 of Handle that Rocks to Cradle when I couldn't find it. 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:25.560 But the first thing was the Ciskel and Ebert episode 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:28.199 that included a review of Hand the Rocks of Cradle, 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:31.760 which just made me miss Ciskel and Ebert so badly. 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.600 It was so it's like the most civilized television show. 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:38.960 Guess what this show is. It's basically the same. Put 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:41.480 us on TV and give us some big sums. Yeah. 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:45.000 I had never seen Fatal Attraction before in my life, 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:47.960 which is crazy, Which is crazy because I have you 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:50.680 drive a truck Times, and I've known that it's one 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.960 of Tess's favorite movies if not, And this podcast is 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:58.280 all about tests, forcing us to watch movies that tell 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:04.800 me baby canon Yeah, a nineties lady like Tesla, and 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:09.719 it always has Glenn Close in it. De Um Fatal Attraction. 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:13.000 It was so good, so good. But before we start 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:15.520 talking about it, I have to say that, Um, when 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:19.600 we dug deeper into Glenn Close's character development for Alex 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:23.360 forrest Uh, She's consulted with a bunch of psychiatrists and 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:26.239 kind of made up this backstory that the character had 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.359 suffered from sexual abuse. So if we end up talking 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:31.560 about that, it might upset you if you're a survivor 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:34.400 of sexual abuse. So just you can mosey on by 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:42.760 if that Alex forrest Uh Fatal Attraction nineteen seven an 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:46.720 Adrian Line picture, Um, which I've seen this one. I 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:48.760