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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my friends in Progress. Today is a very special day

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Speaker 1: on this podcast. Someone that I look up to so tremendously,

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Speaker 1: who is larger than life and so inspirational, is taking

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Speaker 1: Today's guest is Jane Fonda.

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Speaker 2: You guys.

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Speaker 1: Jane Vonda is an icon from her numerous Academy Award

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Speaker 1: nominations and wins, by the way to her incredibly acclaimed

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Speaker 1: career as an actor, a film and television producer. She

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Speaker 1: even revolutionized the fitness industry. I mean hello Jane Vonda's

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Speaker 2: This woman and.

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Speaker 1: Has done it all as a performer and as a leader,

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Speaker 1: and most impressively to me, as an incredible activist. Jane

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Speaker 1: has used the privilege of her platform to stand up

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Speaker 1: for other people for her whole life as an anti

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Speaker 1: war activist during the Vietnam War. Publicly launching into anti

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Speaker 1: war work during the Vietnam era, Jane decided to travel

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Speaker 1: the world and learn from people, whether they were Green berets,

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Speaker 1: indigenous leaders, women on the forefront of feminist movements. For

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Speaker 1: has been leading on climate. As young climate activist Greta

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Speaker 1: to act like it. Jane was so inspired by Greta,

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Speaker 1: by Reverend Barber's Moral Mondays, and by Randall Robinson's anti

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Speaker 2: She took all of that.

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Speaker 1: Inspiration and launched fire Drill Fridays in collaboration with Greenpeace

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. She started in Washington, d C. With

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Speaker 1: a series of peaceful actions and brought together frontline activists,

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Speaker 1: youth leaders, indigenous leaders, climate experts, celebrities and activists and

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Speaker 1: lovers of the planet to demand that our elected leaders

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Speaker 1: act on the climate emergency. Since its inception, her movement

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Speaker 1: to fight the global climate disaster has inspired millions of

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Speaker 1: people to participate in nonviolent direct action and counted more

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Speaker 1: than twelve million viewers joining virtually during the pandemic, Jane

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Speaker 1: has inspired people around the world, and as we launch

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Speaker 1: us about what matters for the nation, what matters for

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Speaker 1: us here in our home state. So let's dive in

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Speaker 1: and learn from the icon herself. So many things I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you about. You know, there's such a

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Speaker 1: tremendous amount of work you do outside of you know,

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Speaker 1: the work that you became known for as being such

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Speaker 1: and your activism has always been such a part of

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Speaker 1: your identity. You've always spent the privilege of your platform

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Speaker 1: to try to support people, and in recent years, you know,

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Speaker 2: And there's just there's so.

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Speaker 1: Much that you do, you know, as the woman you

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Speaker 1: are and with your pack and the way that you

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Speaker 1: inspire all of us. But before we get to where

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Speaker 1: we find ourselves today, I like to go back really

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Speaker 1: they say hindsight's twenty twenty, if when you look back

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Speaker 1: through line of this woman who was always going to lead.

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Speaker 1: Do you see her in yourself at you know, eight

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Speaker 3: You know, I guess, Sophia, what really matters, and it's

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Speaker 3: do in this final act? And it occurred to me,

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Speaker 3: The idea of resilience I find very interesting because you

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Speaker 3: I don't I'm not sure that resilience is something you

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Speaker 3: And like all resilient children, I was able to, like

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to hear you talk about your acts in

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Speaker 1: the world way that you frame them, and this idea

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I love hearing that fifty is so fabulous.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I wrote a book called Primetime about aging,

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Speaker 3: because you know, anything that frightens me, I try to

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Speaker 3: seventies I wrote a book called Primetime, which is really good.

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Speaker 3: And writing that book, I did some research and I

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Speaker 3: found out because I thought, you know, our historic view

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Speaker 3: then you decline into decrepitude, right, And my experience wasn't

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Speaker 3: like that at all. It was like my earlier life

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Speaker 3: been a really important longitudinal study of hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 3: that over fifty in general, people tend to feel a

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Speaker 3: mountains out of molehills. I mean that is also assuming

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Speaker 3: it made me realize, oh, it's not just me aging.

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Speaker 3: You know, life gets strangely easier assuming health.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I love that, And what an amazing perspective

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Speaker 1: I think, to be able to really look at not

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Speaker 1: only your own life and your resiliency, but to your point,

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Speaker 1: to understand where your privilege is, to understand you know,

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Speaker 1: how to help spend it for others. You mentioned that,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you were young, things were complex. You

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Speaker 1: But as we know, being an actor means you have

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Speaker 1: Was was it natural for you to pursue a career

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Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't want to be an actor because my dad,

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Speaker 2: It's incredible.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that I'm proud about my life

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Speaker 1: And now for our sponsors, the proof is in the putting,

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Speaker 1: as they say, I mean, you've got oscars on the shelf,

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Speaker 1: you've got social movements you've helped to lead. You have

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Speaker 1: And you know, I just watched this interview that you

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Speaker 1: and Lily Tomlin did together. You're just razzing each other,

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Speaker 1: you two play as these friends who you know, play

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Speaker 1: I and I love hearing you frame it that way

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Speaker 1: that you're going to go for it one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: and make it yours because my brain is going, well,

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Speaker 1: of course, everything I've ever seen you do, you've done

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Speaker 1: incredibly and I think it's why so many of us

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Speaker 2: What again.

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Speaker 1: The kid in me who went to theater school and

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Speaker 2: What Like this is wild? It really is wild.

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Speaker 1: And I have to just say thank you for the

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Speaker 1: So how can you tell for our friends listening at

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Speaker 3: Well, in the eighties, there was a movement against apartheid

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Speaker 3: I just loved about what we did. And we were

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Speaker 3: in DC for about five months, and I also loved

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Speaker 3: the fact that I would bring celebrities there who sometimes

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Speaker 3: they spoke, but most of the time they were just

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Speaker 3: there to interview frontline voices, indigenous people, people you know,

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Speaker 3: who were the most hardest hit by the climate crisis,

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Speaker 3: people whose voices aren't heard, and that I was so

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Speaker 3: proud of that. And then COVID hit, so I had

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Speaker 3: to come home. And we started doing fire Real Fridays

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Speaker 3: online for two years during the COVID pandemic, and you know,

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Speaker 3: we had nine million people in twenty twenty ten million

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Speaker 3: people in It was pretty great and a lot of

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Speaker 3: them were turned into activists. And we did our last

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Speaker 3: virtual fire Drill Friday Andy this month January. I was

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Speaker 3: with Naomi Klein. She was there at the beginning and

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Speaker 3: was a nice full circle. And then as part of

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Speaker 3: in a way fire Drill Fridays, I've been working with

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Speaker 3: Greenpeace on a documentary about what oil and LNG fracked

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Speaker 3: gas is doing in Texas and Louisiana people to the climate,

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Speaker 3: to the environment, and so we're working on that and

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Speaker 3: we're not doing any more virtual fire real Fridays because

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Speaker 3: we're we're we're still calling on the people that became activists,

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Speaker 3: but we're focusing so much on the electoral Yes, at

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Speaker 3: the end of the five years, Annie Leonard and my

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Speaker 3: team looked at each other and said, you know, the

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Speaker 3: problem is this is great, and we need more and

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Speaker 3: more people to become active, but there are too many

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Speaker 3: people in elected office, both in Washington and in states

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Speaker 3: up in well states who block good legislation because they

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Speaker 3: take money from the fossil fuel industry. Yes, so we

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Speaker 3: have to get rid of them. So we started the

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Speaker 3: Jane Fond of Climate pac to elect climate champions and

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Speaker 3: try to get rid of the oily Democrats who the

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Speaker 3: moderate Democrats who take fossil fuel money and won't vote

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Speaker 3: for good legislation. And this year we're focusing on California

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Speaker 3: because we have really we have ten wonderful candidates here

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Speaker 3: that we get into office. Yeah, it's taken too long

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Speaker 3: to make stuff happen here.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a minute after a few

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Speaker 1: words from our favorite sponsors. I think that's a really

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Speaker 1: important thing to point out for the folks listening. We

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Speaker 1: see so much debate and infighting in our political system,

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Speaker 1: and we do know that so many members pertaicularly of

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Speaker 1: the right, you know, the GOP or bought and paid

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Speaker 1: for by big oil and fossil fuel industries. I think

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Speaker 1: it's incredibly important for people to know what you just

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Speaker 1: brought up, that there are also folks on the Democratic

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Speaker 1: side who because our political system is so broken, because

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Speaker 1: we did not defeat Citizens United, because these people have

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Speaker 1: to raise it's something crazy. It's like, you know, forty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a week or something just to stay in office.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's wild how broken the system is.

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Speaker 1: And the broken system sort of you know, it's like

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Speaker 1: it ripples out into everything in our society.

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Speaker 2: We see the.

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Speaker 1: Effects of who's making the decisions, who's paying for legislation,

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Speaker 1: and the climate is not something we have time to

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Speaker 1: debate about left versus right. Republican versus Democrat. We've got

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Speaker 1: to unite on this. There's no planet being, there's no

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Speaker 1: second option. If we warm past a point, everything changes.

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Speaker 1: Crops are devastated, food supply collapses, clean water is over.

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Speaker 1: And this will affect every single person, no matter what

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Speaker 1: you look like, how you vote, where you live. But

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Speaker 1: it will always affect communities of color, at risk communities

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Speaker 1: and women first and worst. And I think for us

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Speaker 1: to just agree that these facts are facts and that

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Speaker 1: we've got to do something about them is one of

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Speaker 1: the most pressing issues of our time. So for our

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Speaker 1: friends at home, you know, Jane and I agree, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're all nodding your heads while you're listening

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Speaker 1: to us that we are not exaggerating when we say

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Speaker 1: this really is the most important election of our time.

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Speaker 1: The elections have gotten more and more fraud and more

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Speaker 1: and more dangerous, and we are on this razor's edge

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Speaker 1: now of making sure women get to maintain their rights

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Speaker 1: to bodily autonomy and that all of us get to

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Speaker 1: live on a planet that's actually inhabitable. So when we

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Speaker 1: talk about twenty twenty four and the incredible work that

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Speaker 1: you're doing, Jane, with the Jane fond of climate pack.

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Speaker 1: I really hope everyone listening signs up to come with us.

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot of work ahead, and it is

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Speaker 1: a national issue and a global issue certainly. But for

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Speaker 1: our friends in California, Jane, I would love for you

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Speaker 1: to talk about what's happening with Senate Bill eleven thirty seven,

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Speaker 1: because what happens in California will set the tone for

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Speaker 1: what happens in the rest of the country in terms

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Speaker 1: of how we stand up against these big oil polluters.

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Speaker 1: And so if you live here, we need your voice

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Speaker 1: on this. And if you don't live here, we need

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Speaker 1: you to pay attention to this race because what happens

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Speaker 1: here will definitely come for you next. So that I

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Speaker 1: really want to dig into with you, because you hosted

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Speaker 1: an event recently and educated so many of us in

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Speaker 1: LA about this, and I just want everybody to know

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Speaker 1: what you're teaching us about.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Sophia. There are two point seven million Californians

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Speaker 3: live next to an oil well. They suffer because of it,

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Speaker 3: their health, cancer, heart disease, lung disease, asthma, kids miss

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Speaker 3: months of school, and they've been fighting and many of

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Speaker 3: us with them to create setbacks, which means a law

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Speaker 3: that says no oil wells or fracking pits can come

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Speaker 3: within X distance from communities because right now they wake

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Speaker 3: up and look out the window and there's an oil

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Speaker 3: well right outside their bedroom or all around their playing

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Speaker 3: fields and so forth. And finally, Gavin Newsom two years

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Speaker 3: ago passed a bill signed it Senate Bill eleven thirty

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Speaker 3: seven that said they created a thirty two hundred foot

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Speaker 3: setback within which no oil wells could go and historic

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Speaker 3: and a lot of celebrating, And the next week the

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Speaker 3: oil companies began to gather signatures to get a ballot

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Speaker 3: measure on this year that would overturn it or prevent

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Speaker 3: it from going into effect. And they spent forty three

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Speaker 3: million dollars gathering signatures for this. We're told we're going

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Speaker 3: to spend two hundred million dollars to win. We don't

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Speaker 3: know why exactly. I mean, can there be that much

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Speaker 3: oil still left in these communities? But maybe it's just

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Speaker 3: don't tell me what to do kind of a thing.

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Speaker 3: But at any rate, they're really fighting it. Maybe because

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Speaker 3: when we win, we have to win. It's going to

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Speaker 3: set a precedent that they don't like. And so we

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Speaker 3: are working like hell, organizing the state in California, raising

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Speaker 3: money to defeat the oil companies who are lying to people.

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Speaker 3: They have wonderful slick ads saying that if if Senate

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Speaker 3: Bill eleven thirty seven passes, their gases are going to

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Speaker 3: go up, et cetera. It's not true. Oh, it's not

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Speaker 3: how it works. So but we have to. We have

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Speaker 3: a person named Chris Layman who's running our campaign, who's

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Speaker 3: done twenty two referendum battles and won them all, so

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Speaker 3: you know we have that. And the campaign is going

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Speaker 3: to be announced in March with together Gavin Newsom and ARNL. Schwarzenegger,

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Speaker 3: which is really great.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And I'm doing an art auction in April right after

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Speaker 3: they announced the campaign to raise a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: It's on April ninth. But just be sure you all

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Speaker 3: who are watching to vote for maintaining or creating the

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Speaker 3: setback the thirty two hundred feet don't see the lies

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Speaker 3: that the oil companies are going to put out about

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Speaker 3: why that's a bad idea, because we can't keep doing

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Speaker 3: this to people. The bill not only prevents new oil

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Speaker 3: wells from coming close to communities, but it demands that

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Speaker 3: the oil companies clean up the wells that are already there,

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Speaker 3: make them less you know, leaking, more safe in terms

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Speaker 3: of the air and everything else. It's a big success.

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Speaker 3: I want to say something about you talked about the

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Speaker 3: political situation being broken. I've been very critical of Joe Biden,

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Speaker 3: and I've been very angry with him. But what I've

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Speaker 3: been finding out recently is that there is so much

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Speaker 3: being done that's fabulous and very important that it's not sexy,

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Speaker 3: it's not front page news. It's little things that have

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Speaker 3: to happen in order for the transition to renewables to

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Speaker 3: go forward. Yes, and nobody knows about it, and it

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Speaker 3: just shows how critical it is that we reelect Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: And also, I mean example, I just spent three weeks

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Speaker 3: down in Texas and Deiana working on this documentary and

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Speaker 3: it's just it's like being in the belly of the beast.

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Speaker 3: It's worse than I can't even describe what it's doing

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Speaker 3: to the people and the environment there. And we were

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Speaker 3: going to have a big rotest in DC in a

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Speaker 3: week and Friday. This last Friday, Joe Biden's administration announced

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Speaker 3: they were putting a pause on LNG exports.

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Speaker 2: This is huge, huge, check.

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Speaker 3: It's huge. It throws into question the exporting of LNG,

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Speaker 3: which you know, which we never used to export this stuff.

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Speaker 3: It all happened started and when Obama lifted the export

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Speaker 3: ban in twenty fifteen, and it's it's just what it

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Speaker 3: shows is that Joe Biden can be pressured. You know,

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Speaker 3: he creates a context where you can pressure. Fascism offers

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Speaker 3: no context like that. There's no terrain in fascism where

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Speaker 3: you can be a righteous activist and do the right

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Speaker 3: thing and have an official agree with you. Finally, you know,

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Speaker 3: it just doesn't work that way. So voting for him

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Speaker 3: is not marrying him a pragmatic decision, that's it, so

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Speaker 3: that you aren't dealing with fascism. And there's no protest

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Speaker 3: vote this year. We have no room for what happened

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Speaker 3: in two thousand, which now we have to hold our

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Speaker 3: nose and vote Democrat and all the way down the ballot.

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Speaker 1: And I think what's incredibly important to remind people of

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Speaker 1: is that because people will say, well, but I don't

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Speaker 1: agree on this issue or that issue. Everybody has a

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Speaker 1: fill in the blank where they say, this is not

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Speaker 1: the candidate of my dreams, and I get that, but

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Speaker 1: you don't get to root for a team that isn't

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Speaker 1: playing in the super Bowl to win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Pragmatism is required for progress. And to your point, we

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Speaker 1: have a candidate who is a fascist, who wants to

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Speaker 1: roll back rights for everyone but rich white men and

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Speaker 1: literally sell off the country for parts and become a

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Speaker 1: dictator and has said all of this out loud. This

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Speaker 1: is not exaggeration. He's said, if I win, I'm never leaving,

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Speaker 1: so okay, dictatorship. Or you have somebody who is willing

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Speaker 1: to compromise sometimes with people we don't like, which upsets us.

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Speaker 1: But he's trying to get things done. He's made incredible

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Speaker 1: progress despite plenty of things we disagree with him on,

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Speaker 1: you know, including the Willow Project for US climate activists.

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Speaker 1: He's passed more legislation that is more comprehensive for more

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Speaker 1: people in America than any president in sixty years. The

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Speaker 1: Infrastructure Act has been one of the greatest revitalization projects

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Speaker 1: for the nation in history. And yeah, there's all sorts

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Speaker 1: of stuff we could all complain about. But to your point,

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Speaker 1: when we make noise and we tell this administration what

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Speaker 1: is important to us, they go and legislate on it.

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Speaker 1: They go and they listen to us, and they go

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Speaker 1: and do the work. And that to me is the difference.

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Speaker 1: You have to elect someone who is going to work

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Speaker 1: on your behalf, not harm for their own gain, and

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Speaker 1: then who will admit, when perhaps they haven't made something

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Speaker 1: a top five priority, that they realize their constituency wants

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Speaker 1: them to, and they go do it. That's the whole

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Speaker 1: point of having elected officials and representation in the first place.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's incredibly important, as you said, to

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Speaker 1: be pragmatic. And if we want to build this utopia

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Speaker 1: we believe is possible, we have to make the pragmatic

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Speaker 1: steps to get there. And if we want to have

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Speaker 1: an option where we can vote for a third party candidate,

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Speaker 1: well then we should make one of our causes passing

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Speaker 1: ranked choice voting nationally.

650
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Speaker 2: But we can't pretend.

651
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Speaker 1: We have these possible outcomes that don't exist unless we

652
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Speaker 1: do the work to create them. It's our job as

653
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: voters to go out and pressure and create progress. And

654
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Speaker 1: so I say we go do it, and I say

655
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Speaker 1: we do it this year on climate and on our

656
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Speaker 1: rights as women first and foremost, I love you, I

657
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Speaker 1: love you, Jane.

658
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Speaker 3: Were your parents' activists.

659
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Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting. My parents, when I first

660
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: started really putting my neck out there, you know, publicly

661
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: for political projects, were so nervous. But then I started

662
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: to really think about, you know, where they come from.

663
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: And my dad moved here in the seventies from Canada

664
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: to go to art school, was very you know, anti war.

665
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: It took him until I was thirteen years old to

666
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: become an American citizen. So when people say like, oh,

667
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: do it the right way, I'm like, do you even

668
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: know what that means? Like I had to help my

669
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: dad study for his citizenship test when it was finally time.

670
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: My mom's family immigrated through Ellis Island from Italy. You know,

671
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Speaker 1: they had their own American dream story. My grandfather was

672
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Speaker 1: a navy man.

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Speaker 2: A lot of.

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Speaker 1: A lot of beauty around the idea of what country

675
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: could be for people, you know, when we strive to

676
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: be a more perfect union, which I think is what

677
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: US activists are working towards always And they will say no,

678
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: they weren't, but they totally were. My mom was you know,

679
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: incredibly independent and progressive, and you know, my dad's this

680
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: artist immigrant like interesting man who has always sort of

681
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: seen through some of the you know, insanity, particularly in

682
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: our healthcare system. Because Canada has great, you know, universal

683
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Speaker 1: health care. We spend the most on sickness of any

684
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Speaker 1: nation in the world, and we have the worst health outcome.

685
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: So if we had a better healthcare system, that would

686
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: be great for everyone and cheaper for the government. But

687
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: I think now in our sort of adult friendship that

688
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: we have with each other, they're in their seventies and

689
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm now in my early forties, they sort

690
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: of see where I get it, and they think I'm

691
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: an anomaly.

692
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 2: It's a little it's a little both.

693
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 3: And oh but they support you.

694
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely.

695
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Speaker 1: I think they used to be scared, you know, to

696
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: your point, the pushback is scary for parents and for parents,

697
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, to read with the internet, you know, the

698
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: way the trolls are and the bots are, people are disgusting,

699
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: And I think they were nervous. But much like you,

700
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: the harder people push at me and tell me to

701
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: be quiet, the more I'm like, oh, watch this, and

702
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: I think eventually they just meant that's our kid, Like

703
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: that's who she's going to be.

704
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, My dad was nervous too, probably like your parents.

705
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 3: He remembered the fifties and the witch hunts, yes, wealthy days,

706
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: and he was worried that that was going to destroy

707
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: my career. But you know, I whenever I would learn

708
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: something about Vietnam, like I had a young soldier. I

709
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: was at a military base in northern California, and this

710
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 3: very young guy, he could almost not talk above a

711
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: whisper or trying to tell me that he had killed

712
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 3: a child, and you know, the stuff that I'd heard.

713
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: And so I would go home and tell my dad.

714
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: I had no money. So I lived with my dad,

715
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: you know, after I left France, and I told him

716
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 3: about this, and he said to me, if you can

717
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: prove that that's that this is true. He didn't believe it.

718
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: He said they they wouldn't tell you if that was true.

719
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: And I said, if you can. He said, if you

720
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: can prove it, I will lead a march on Washington.

721
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: And so I brought some green berets to talk to

722
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: him and ours. But you know, my dad, it was

723
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: a generation. They it wasn't in my dad's genes to

724
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: lead marches or anything like that. But he he worried

725
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: however I was friends anyway. That's never mind too much,

726
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:52,479
Speaker 3: I talked too much.

727
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 2: No, I love it.

728
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: It's it's also I think it's really powerful too to

729
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: hear stories that, especially from someone like you. You know, you,

730
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: you are this woman in our world, Jane.

731
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: You've inspired so many of us.

732
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: You're larger than life, and I don't know, I find

733
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: it really touching an eye opening to hear about, you know,

734
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: your dad just being worried about his daughter. I think

735
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: sometimes when you reach these upper echelons of you know, industries,

736
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: When when you are an Academy award winner, when you

737
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: are a you know, a lifelong famous person who can

738
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: call a president, who you know, leads these marches and

739
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: does these things, people forget that you're also one human

740
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: woman who has persevered through fear to stand up for

741
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: other people, who has been willing to risk her privilege

742
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: in order to weaponize that privilege on the behalf of others.

743
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: That's a big deal. Privilege doesn't like to be given up.

744
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: And I think when you are willing to say, well,

745
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: if I lose it all, it was worth.

746
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: It for this, that that kind.

747
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: Of calling, much like resilience, what you were saying earlier,

748
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: can't be taught. It comes from inside of you. It's

749
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: a fire that you know, maybe you know the source of,

750
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: and maybe you've just learned to let fuel yourself, but

751
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: it is. It is something that really knocks us over

752
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: when we look at it. And I don't know, I

753
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: find it. I find it so humanizing to be reminded

754
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: that your dad was like, kid, what are you doing?

755
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: Be careful, and you said, I'm going to do it anyway.

756
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: I think that's beautiful.

757
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: I was friends with Angela Davis, and when she was

758
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 3: put in prison here in California, I visited her. And

759
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 3: when I came back from that visit, my dad called

760
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 3: me into his office and he said to me, if

761
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 3: I find out that you are a communist, I'm going

762
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: to be the first person to turn you in. And

763
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: I just I remember running to my bedroom and pulling

764
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 3: the sheets over my head and crying and crying and crying.

765
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 3: You know, later I could look back and understand he

766
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 3: was worried he'd experience the Macarthy era when people were destroyed.

767
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: Yes, well, and people who are dangerous to power are

768
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: often persecuted.

769
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Speaker 2: I mean, when you think back.

770
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: To Salem, women who had these whisper networks who you

771
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: know new medicine were persecuted for it. And when you

772
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: think about that terrible stain on American history, what McCarthyism

773
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: did to so many people, what it accused people of

774
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: simply people who were progressive, who were not enemies to

775
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 1: the government, but who wanted to see change. You know,

776
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: it's not dissimilar to what we see the former president

777
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: of the United States doing now, calling to jail and

778
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: execute his detractors. You know, this is very scary stuff,

779
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: and when you look at these cycles of history, it's

780
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: terrifying to be in the midst of it. And I

781
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: imagine your dad was very afraid. But I don't know

782
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: what a cool thing from this moment to be able

783
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: to look back at your legacy. You've been able to

784
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: prove exactly the kind of progressive that you are, exactly

785
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: the kind of American that you are. You're pushing us

786
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: toward that more perfect union where everyone is safe and

787
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: everyone is represented.

788
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: And I.

789
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: Think the way you've been able to teach people that

790
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: that comes down to rights and equity, and the way

791
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: you've centered climate on that and really reminded us that

792
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: that is the ground zero for our existence. It's incredibly powerful.

793
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: I'd get such a kick out of it if your

794
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: dad could see you now, you know, yeah, you.

795
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 3: Know what makes me sad, maybe above all else, is

796
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: how human beings have become so alienated from nature. We

797
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 3: just we don't understand that we depend on nature for

798
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 3: our survival and how healing nature can be for us.

799
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: You know, if that weren't the case, there would be

800
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 3: no climate crisis, just like if there was no racism

801
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: or patriarchy, there'd be no climate crisis. It's part of

802
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: a mindset. It's like nesting dolls with the climate gas.

803
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: You keep discovering all the other parts to it. Yes,

804
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: it happens when people, men in particular, have a hierarchical

805
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: view of everything. You know, certain things matter more than

806
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 3: other things. Nature is way down here, along with wol

807
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: and dogs, but you know, white men are up here.

808
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 3: It's these are the people who are This is the

809
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 3: mindset that looks at a beautiful forest thinks flooring.

810
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: Mmm mm hmm.

811
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Speaker 3: Everything is for something else that will make money transactional. Yes,

812
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: how we have to work hard to get back to

813
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 3: to renewing our relationship with nature. That's why listening to

814
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 3: Indigenous peoples are so important.

815
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll be back in just a minute, but here's

816
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: a word from our sponsors. How have you learned from

817
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: indigenous communities? How did you begin to make inroads as

818
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: a as a witness in those spaces and to uplift

819
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: those voices and what have those relationships taught you?

820
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 3: Well, it taught me early on that you're showing up

821
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 3: is important, showing up respectfully. The very first thing I

822
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: did I leaving my family in France, and I had

823
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: made a trip to India to because that's where people

824
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 3: were going, like the Beatles and mia Faro, to find truth.

825
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 3: And what I found was, I don't want to join

826
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: a nash Ram or smoke pot here. I want to

827
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 3: join the peace Corps. I just I'm an activist. I

828
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: came home and there was a magazine called Ramparts, which

829
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 3: was a left wing, wonderful magazine doesn't exist anymore, with

830
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 3: a Native woman on the cover, her fist in the

831
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 3: air against a white wall that said better red than dead,

832
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 3: and the article was about why Indians had occupied Alcatraz.

833
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: They wanted to seize Alcatraz and turn it into a

834
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 3: cultural center, and it talked about the history of white

835
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: settlers trying to destroy a Native people. I really wasn't aware,

836
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to say. I was already thirty one years old.

837
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: My father had been in all these westerns, but I

838
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: didn't really know the history. And I read it. It

839
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 3: was an article written because of the seizure of Alcatraz,

840
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 3: that was, but it gave the whole history. So I said,

841
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 3: what was I doing in India? I didn't, you know,

842
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 3: there's issues right here I have to deal with. And

843
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: so I went to Alcatraz during the occupation and I

844
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: met a lot of Native American people there. Then they

845
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 3: referred me to a fight that was going on in

846
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 3: Seattle for fishing rights, for the sale Shkutine the tribes

847
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 3: up there. That was the time I ever got arrested,

848
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: was seizing a fort there that they wanted to turn

849
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: into a cultural center and succeeded. But I just I

850
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: went from tribe to tribe to tribe to reservation reserv

851
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 3: and I just met a lot of Native people and

852
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 3: talked to a lot of Native people. And at that time,

853
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 3: the American Indian movement was prominent, and they were not

854
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: they were not believers in holding on to the war

855
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 3: dances and the ceremonies and the dances and the prayers

856
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 3: so much, and there was a big split, do we

857
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 3: try to assimilate within the Indian movement or do we

858
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 3: maintain our culture and our past. And then years later,

859
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 3: being at Standing Rock and seeing how the ceremonies and

860
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: the sun dances and the prayers had helped so many

861
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 3: young people with addiction and alcoholism and so forth, that

862
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 3: they came all the way back to wanting to embrace

863
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 3: their traditions. And I just thought that that was very

864
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 3: important and very beautiful, because I've been part of that

865
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Speaker 3: whole transition and arguments so that I know enough Native

866
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Speaker 3: American people to know that there's a unique sense of

867
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Speaker 3: humor that I love. And it's just absolutely moving to

868
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 3: me how they've endured an attempted genocide on behalf of

869
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 3: the white sets, you know, being moved from land to land,

870
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Speaker 3: having their children kidnapped, put into Catholic schools, and so forth.

871
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Speaker 3: If I feel like if I was an Indigenous person here,

872
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Speaker 3: I'd want to have a machine gun, and instead, as

873
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 3: a people, they tend to want they're still trying to

874
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Speaker 3: teach us, still willing to step up and try to

875
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Speaker 3: teach us that there's another way of relating to nature

876
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Speaker 3: and another way of viewing things if we're open to listening.

877
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Speaker 3: And it's why, you know, with Firedroal Friday, there were

878
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Speaker 3: so many Indigenous voices, especially young Indigenous voices that I

879
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Speaker 3: had on and it was it was really beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of the sometimes when I'm trying to learn, you know,

882
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: as you speak about you show up in community. When

883
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: people ask me, you know, how do you start, I say,

884
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Speaker 1: find the helpers, go to the people you want to

885
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: learn from, show up and shut up and learn from

886
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: them until you know enough to be able to speak up.

887
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: And one of the things that really helped helps me

888
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: when I'm trying to learn about a populace or a

889
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: community or a particular issue, is I try to make

890
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Speaker 1: sense of what affects me so emotionally through statistics or math,

891
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: because math I find to be the only non emotional thing,

892
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: And that stat that indigenous peoples currently make up five

893
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: percent of the world's population but are responsible for the

894
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: stewardship of eighty five percent of the planet's biodiversity. The

895
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: fact that any of us are going, well, let's see

896
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: what they know. It's like no, they know everything.

897
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 2: And to your.

898
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: Point, we must learn how to relate better to the

899
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Speaker 1: planet that we live on if we would like to

900
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Speaker 1: remain guests here because we are you know, the world.

901
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 1: If we break it and humans can't live here anymore,

902
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: the planet will recover.

903
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: We just won't.

904
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Speaker 1: And I hope that eventually we pay attention in the

905
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Speaker 1: way that you know you have been teaching us to

906
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: pay attention to the wisdom in these communities for so long,

907
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: you know.

908
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 3: I love that you say you say to people, go

909
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 3: to the people who you want to learn from. Yes.

910
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 3: I like that you call for community because you want

911
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 3: to go fast, go alone, but you want to go far,

912
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: go together. And I love courage that.

913
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Speaker 1: Yes, And I think the most powerful thing I've learned

914
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: in the last you know, twenty years of being in

915
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: spaces like this is slow is fast because when you

916
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: move quickly, when you go alone, you make mistakes and

917
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: then you have to backtrack and start over and rebuild

918
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: and take that down because you did it wrong and

919
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: learn a new way to do it. And if you

920
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: move a little more slowly, and you move in community,

921
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: and you really assess and build correctly, you'll get there faster.

922
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: In the end and you'll get there with everyone by

923
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: your side, and that you know that that I think

924
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: changes a life. So Jane, what do you what do

925
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: you want us to do our our listeners, our groups.

926
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: As we get into twenty twenty four, a lot of

927
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: people are nervous, a lot of people feel overwhelmed. That's

928
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, by design, that's what fascism does. It makes

929
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: you tired. What what do you want listeners to know?

930
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: What's the one you know site you want people to

931
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: visit or the one thing you want people to sign

932
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: up for to prep in community for this big fight

933
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: we have ahead together this year.

934
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Speaker 3: One thing that you can do is join me on

935
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 3: my climate pack and you do that by texting Jane

936
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Speaker 3: to four oh five oh six.

937
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to do it right now.

938
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Speaker 3: What people need to do is join an organization that

939
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Speaker 3: has a track record, preferably that has diversity in it.

940
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Speaker 3: You don't want to join an organization that's all white men.

941
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but yeah, they haven't. They haven't proven a

942
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 3: great track record, have they. My favorite ex husband, Ed

943
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 3: Turner always says, we've had our fants and we've fit

944
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 3: it up. Now turn it.

945
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Speaker 1: Over to women exactly. Will Ferrell just said that recently too.

946
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, see, look they're waking up, these men. Leave

947
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: it to us.

948
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 3: We'll do it anyway. Join an organization and take action

949
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 3: to stop fossil fuels and to push us in a

950
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: direction toward alternative energy, sustainable energy meaning wind and sun.

951
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 3: And because this climate crisis is real and we have

952
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 3: to act fast and we can make a big difference.

953
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: Indeed, and for our friends listening at home, we're going

954
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: to make sure to share some links and resources with

955
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: you in the show notes and also on our Instagram

956
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: stories this week, so we'll make everything easily shareable and

957
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: easy to follow. I really want to be respectful of

958
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: your time, Jane, even though what I really want to

959
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: do is just drive over to your house and sit

960
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: on your couch and talk to you for the rest.

961
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Speaker 2: Of the day.

962
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Speaker 3: I would love nothing more.

963
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Speaker 1: Okay, great, I'm going to come over soon, but I

964
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Speaker 1: have for this interview.

965
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Speaker 2: I have one.

966
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Speaker 1: Final question for you. It's my favorite thing to ask

967
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: everyone who graces me with their time. I'm curious, in

968
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Speaker 1: this moment in your life, what feels like your work

969
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: in progress?

970
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 3: Oh, my relationship with my children, HM that's I'm sure

971
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 3: sounds strange, but one of the things that I've learned

972
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Speaker 3: is that it never ends as a parent. It's never

973
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Speaker 3: too late. I was not such a good parent when

974
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Speaker 3: my children were younger. They are now very much adults.

975
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Speaker 3: They both have children, And you know, when you're my age,

976
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Speaker 3: you spend a lot of time thinking, when I'm on

977
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Speaker 3: my deathbed, what am I going to regret? And then

978
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Speaker 3: try to focus on that. And my main thing on

979
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Speaker 3: my deathbed is going to be do they know I

980
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 3: love them? And do they love me? And are they okay?

981
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Speaker 3: And so that's my thing besides the crisis, is trying

982
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 3: to be okay with my kids and my grandkids.

983
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Speaker 2: That's beautiful.

984
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: Do you ever feel like because your life has had

985
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: such big callings and you show up for community and

986
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: in such a big global way, it maybe takes a

987
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: little longer to get into the one on one and

988
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: the personal and when you're always getting called and pulled

989
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: in so many directions, you don't get to spend a

990
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: lot of time at home, much like you talked about

991
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: with your dad. And I think it's actually I'm processing

992
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: what you're saying in real time, So forgive that my

993
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: question is becoming more of an observation. But how beautiful

994
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: that you also are in a state where you get

995
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: to come back inward more.

996
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

997
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 3: Wow, it's not even so much having the time, it's

998
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 3: when you do have the time, really being present, you know,

999
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 3: as exposed to I got to write that letter to someone,

1000
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Speaker 3: or I got to go to that meeting, you know

1001
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 3: what I mean. And when you're when you're my you know,

1002
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 3: my daughter was a tiny little baby when I became

1003
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Speaker 3: an activist, and so you know, it's not right to

1004
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 3: feel justified to not be showing up because what you're

1005
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 3: doing is good. Bullshit. You've got to find a way

1006
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 3: to do both. The chances are if you do both,

1007
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 3: things will turn out better, the activism and the child.

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01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 2: That's beautiful.

1009
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always the opportunity to recalibrate. Yeah, all the wisdom.

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01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: I love you. Let's bring it. I love talking to you, Jane,

1011
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 2: Thank yourself, Thank you,