WEBVTT - Conversation with a Cholo 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:05.040 And then dre providing that music right, that fit that landscape, 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:07.360 like all of that p funk they was using. I 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:09.520 asked a lot of my O G hommies, that's all 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:13.480 gang bang music. They were telling me. Flashlight will get 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:19.160 you funked up at the party. This is the attention 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:23.400 to detail necessary to separate good from great. This guy 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:27.920 will stop recording for the a C. That's that's the standard. 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:33.200 He's that's the standard here. He's meticulous like that. He'll 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:35.760 let me come on and the sound of my miserable 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.320 voice saying dumbest stupidity for thirty minutes. Cool. But if 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:47.280 the a C is on in the background, we're stopping it. Um, 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:51.160 why do you feel? What's the slight on? You feel? 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:57.440 Being a cholo is because me and you always burial stereotypers, 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.240 You feel me, I think, Um. The the general understanding 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:05.680 of rollo is very Hollywood, very movie, very you know, 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:09.480 like a crip. I guess you know, because I'm not 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.520 familiar how I don't don't. I don't know if you 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.240 don't know how people think crip sposed well, because you know, 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.600 I know real crips. I've been in real cripals at 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.800 the point. You know, real Tolos, So it's just different 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:23.240 from me. I guess I hold it a little bit 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.000 different because I am a trolo so to speak, right, 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:30.640 you know, by by origin and all that. But um, yeah, 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.080 you know the the image of trollo. Have you ever 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:37.320 seen the movie Cobra? Anybody remember that movie Cobra was 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.360 the Western saloon. Well there, there there's an image there. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.240 There's a part in that movie where he pulls up 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:45.640 on the beach and there's some trollos there and he 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:49.680 like rips his fucking uh his tank top off of 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:51.560 him and he slaps him and takes a cigarette and 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.760 smokes it. And that's kind of like the generalization of 0:01:55.440 --> 0:02:01.400 nobody would portray totals, so to speak. You feel, I'm say, no, no, nobody. Actually, 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.040 when people think of Tolos and films, they're gonna think 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.960 of American Me or Bloody and blood Out and Worst 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:12.079 and Worst Time. Those movies are are are not completely 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.399 on of what the trollo really is. But that's I mean, 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:18.480 that's like Colors. Rocket is not really a crip. What 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.919 I mean, I meant turned through crips like Rocket though, 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:29.040 who play Rocket Dog? Oh but I'm saying they don't 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.919 act like don Cheeto, No, but I mean that they're 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.560 they're moving like that for sure. So you mean to 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.600 tell me you feel like they're hanging on crips. You 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.640 feel like crips have the correct representation in Hollywood, but 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.720 not Chelos. I think I think that moment in time 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:46.800 they did, for sure. But you know what, at that 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.240 moment in time, I think they portrayed Torolos accurate at 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.720 the same time exactly, That's what I'm saying. But but 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.040 you know current day, they don't. They still portray them 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.800 at that at that so what I'm saying, that's what 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.040 I'm saying, Like there's no evolution of the son is 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:08.600 in here doing That's my biggest thing. Whenever they never 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:13.200 televised the elevation of the crolo or the or the 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.640 the fucking what do you call? But do you feel 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.400 that's the evolution of the crolo? But you don't think 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.640 that's I don't know if that's evolution. Why. I mean, 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.079 go to East La and you'll see the evolution of 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.720 the trollo really is. Yeah, what is just just for 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:34.040 the audience sake, yuah, what's sterence between a clo, a Latino, 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.120 a Chicano some of that, And how has the trolo 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.840 evolved in the last thirty five years? First off, by 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:45.560 by by origin, right, the trollo is a Chicano thing. Yeah, 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.160 and the chicano is a is a Mexican American. Okay, 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.160 so you have to be born here to be a 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:56.040 Chicano if you're Mexican. Latino is it's a representation of 0:03:56.120 --> 0:04:00.280 anything Laddin, so that could be Salvadorians, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans. Still, 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:05.400 do you like the term Latin Latin stupid? Exactly? Yeah? 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.000 Do you like the term Latin X or is Latin 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.480 X kind of stupid? No, I'm a Chicano. I'm not 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:14.680 no Latin. That's that you know that A little to walk, 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.080 a little too walk for this for this student. Yeah, No, 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.000 I'm not gonna do that at all. I'm not doing that. 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.200 We're not gonna do that. I don't know. I don't 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.039 know where that came with l M bro, We're gonna 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:27.120 leave them right, don't make me go. They're gonna fuck 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:33.000 gay ladies go whoop your Yeah, you know they're after me. Man, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.920 he'd be talking about b l A. I mean gay 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.320 lady lady likes one gonna squab you up, Bro, I'm 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:45.560 just look like, bro, look, I speak on it because 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.880 it's you know, they're coming in under the cover of 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:54.200 social issues for black people, like they're representing them type 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:55.960 of issues when they're not. You know, they're not here 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.320 for the betterment of that community. They're here for their 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:03.599 own agenda to push homosexuality and all that other stuff 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:08.200 and really like the the masculinity of society and all. Honestly, 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.960 if you really want to bust it down from like it, 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:12.840 what's going on right now? You feel what I'm saying, 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:17.120 like and that's bad. I'm not going to disagree with 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.720 the word of that political football content. I'm not against it. 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:25.360 How would you then, ductors defies, Let me ask you something. 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.839 Are you comfortable with your son going to school learning 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:33.600 about you know, men kissing and I'm not having kids. 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.320 I'm just saying or that's why I'm not having it. 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.600 There's no politically correct like keep it real, bro, That's 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.000 why I'm not having it. The problem with society now 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.280 is we can't keep it real. Nobody wants to talk 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.719 about I'm keeping room. I'm keeping it real. I don't 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:49.680 want everybody wants to go to heaven. You know they're 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:53.240 talking about you know what a theby isby? That's a 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.480 phrase that they're they're trying to make that is that 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:58.719 calling the baby? It's a theby? You know why? Because 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.760 it's waiting for it to grow up and decide what gender. 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:08.040 It is fascinating. People don't kill you dig me how 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:14.880 many years? Maybe some people decide that what they are 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.440 sooner than others. I don't know so so the way 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.000 I feel about it all that's why I don't want 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.240 to have children. Okay, the world that's going on today, 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.200 it's a little too complex. I don't got enough energy 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.640 to explain to another human being what's going on. And 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:32.520 I couldn't rationalize it, honestly, See, I would expect glasses 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:34.160 to say, you know, that's why I'm standing up and 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.800 I'm letting anybody know the day on some function. But 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:38.719 he's he's about now. He's saying, you know, I'm gonna 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.520 far back. I ain't gonna get involved. No, I'm motherucker's 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.800 gotta get involved. Motherfucker's gotta talk about this ship they 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.840 gotta raise, how about it? I'm not I'm listening so 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:51.960 the way I feel about listen, Um, I just literally 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.320 agree with your debate. I'm saying the world has gotten 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:58.680 so complex, I don't want to have children. I feel 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.320 that that's so to your point, well hold on, but 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:05.960 see that's that's the effect of this whole fucking weird 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.480 old society that we live in. It's making people not 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:10.680 even want to have children. That's true. A one point 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.200 six per two. You feel me not wanting to not 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:17.560 wanting to see himself and and to come up. You did, like, 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:21.040 that's crazy to take it even a step further. You 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:23.800 grew up in the eighties and nineties and Watts, and 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:25.480 you don't want your kid to grow up in the 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:29.200 suburbs in this social environment. That's a statement. WATS is 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:34.640 easy relative to uh, Watts is easier than woke right now, Woke. 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:39.400 I like that. I wish WATTS is definitely one can't 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.080 be easy to navigate through. Once you've been there for me, Yeah, 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.160 like I can navigate. If I could raise a kid 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.000 and Watson, he'll be fine. You can get on the 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:47.720 green line and go to elsegon to two seconds. You 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:51.760 can't leave woke crowd. Woke chases you down. You have 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:57.480 a thousand people. So as far as Black Lives Matter, 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.080 I just think it's some pussy ship please, you know, 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:03.640 so I'm just being honest. I just think you genuinely. 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:08.400 But but but for a different reason, right. Um, I 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:12.280 don't like to tell somebody, hey, you know what, the 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.560 way you're treating me is bad. Um, you please stop 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:19.120 treating me this way. Uh. I don't like Black Lives 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.640 Matter because it's like put out your phone and record 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.960 what's going on. Like I'm more black power. Like if 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:26.880 I see an injustice, I'm gonna risk my life to 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.840 save the brother. But see, that's the thing. They're not 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.240 even in the business of doing that. Well. I mean again, 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.199 their business is a whole different conversation obviously, you know 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:37.839 what I mean. I mean they got a grip of 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:45.160 stuff incorporated, you know, not for profit. George Seyles funded 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.880 them a million dollars. That's not a conspiracy theory. I've 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:49.960 heard that before, so THATSCT. No, it's on the books. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:56.280 I mean most small yeah, that's probably smaller most nonprofits 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.720 are funded. I mean, think about it right now. Um, 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.480 Colin Kaepernick is funded by Nike, and that's the same 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:07.160 people that's fund in the nfl H. I mean, so again, 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.760 I don't really buy into any of these movements. Um, 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:17.199 I for sure, Like so capp Is, I think his 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.920 point is he's trying to do the right thing right. 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.959 That's where I'm focused at right, And and his old 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.199 ladiness is the home girl. I know they're trying to 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.760 do the right thing. But nobody that come up where 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.240 we come up will be trying to teach kids rights. 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.320 The police are ignoring your right to live. The last 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.800 thing you needed to be doing is arguing some fucking 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:42.600 civil or or or criminal matters with the motherfucking person 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.600 paid to try to keep peace. That's something you explain 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.840 in court. So it definitely bothers me that certain people 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.720 like that who don't who may don't have the vested interests, 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.400 or whoever is around him explaining to them what should 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.800 be happening. It's like I tell sticks all the time, like, 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.559 don't go teach a bunch of poor people financial literacy. 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.400 Let's figure out how to create industry around these poor people. 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.160 And then as they're making money, we can teach them 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.000 financial literacy. But how are you gonna tell the motherfucker 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:16.320 that can't pay rent how to save money? That might 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.599 be a little distracting to try to you know, I 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:20.800 need to remember these lessons on how to save money. Mean, 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:22.640 while I can't pay the rent some money, you know 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.240 what I'm saying. So I think there's a lot of 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.800 chicken and a conversations where I think they're only like 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.240 that because people not from where we're from. I just 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:37.120 feel like, I feel like because I am older, No right, 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.960 I feel like because I've I've been through so many 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.800 things in my life. I'm I'm even though I am 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:45.839 a cholo, like I'm pretty well rounded this ship. Like 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.160 wat are you saying the Crip can't be well around it? No? 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.280 But you know most people student, you know what I'm saying. 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:54.520 But I have I have Native American friends. I have 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:59.600 Crip friends. You might see me with just one day, 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.199 you see me with some cripts, and so you know, 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.480 I I because of the type of experiences I've had 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.240 with all these different types of people. Sometimes maybe I 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.680 feel like I have a past to speak on certain things, 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.240 and I want to speak on certain things because it's 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.040 just not going the way. You know, that's not the 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.040 right way. So, um, I did it a little backlash 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:21.960 for speaking on bl M because a lot of people 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.720 immediately want to accumulate it it as it to being 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.160 a racist thing because I'm a Mexican guy and I'm 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.440 talking about these things. But you can. But but at 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.480 the same time, like I speak on it because I 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.840 I understand it, Like I've been in the in the streets, 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.520 I know what's going on here. You know collusion when 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.599 you see it. You know collusion when you see it, 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:42.880 you feel me it's grazy as fun. I feel what 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:44.640 I'm saying. I don't know. One day, I'm gonna sit 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:49.560 down and talk to the people. Um. I obviously anybody 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.000 that's thinking would have a question about it. I mean 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:56.840 anything that individualized. I guess that's how they feel progress 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:58.959 is gonna be made. But I didn't you know what 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.559 I mean, I don't. I didn't even get you here 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.079 to talk about that. What I think. I wanted to 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:09.360 focus on that because because we always do what we do. Yeah, period, Um, 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.560 what do you think? So again back to the point 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.520 of TOLO, like evolution, Like what do you feel it's 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:25.040 evolved into? Um, that's an interesting question. Is I don't 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.800 know if evolution is the correct word, Like I think 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.360 and well, it has evolved we just I don't think 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.760 evolved is the right word. I think it's starting to blend, right, 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.040 is where it's not being cultured at all. Well, I 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.240 think that's the evolution of it all blending. No, I mean, 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.200 I don't assimilating. I mean to some degree, but it's 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:49.200 as simulation evolution, yeah, because it's it's stepping into something 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.760 that it wasn't before. I mean, evolution, evolution is built 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.760 on the preserve life. Well, let me ask you this, Well, 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.360 at this point, it's gonna be kind of hard to 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:05.920 keep the evolution of the cholo conventional because it's just 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:07.679 not like that in l A. No more that the 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:12.880 lines are being crossed constantly. There's no more show me 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:18.320 a predominant show me a black neighborhood, all black people, 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.280 all black businesses, all black everything. I don't know if 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.240 there's ever been there before. You feel what I'm saying 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:28.280 to me. But no, no, no, that's not true because 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.600 many many majority zip codes. That's not true. You know why, 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.559 because I think at a certain time in Watts it 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.440 might have been exactly like that almost maybe aside from 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:43.079 the actual business from nobody predominantly black and Watson and 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:49.120 Compton at one point, but now it's what Mexicans black. Okay, 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.959 so even more so, how why you understand that the 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:59.320 evolution is like you're saying, it's starting a becoming connecting 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.640 to something totally different because the influence is there. Well, 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.440 I don't know if that's I think that's going mainstream. 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.360 So it's like we all talk about hip hop, right, 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.920 our jobs and hip hop is cultural, Like our job 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.880 is to supply culture the greatest people supply culture that 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:21.000 has no representation, right the Snoop Dog is probably the 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.200 greatest hip hop artist of all time, not your favorite, 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.640 not the best, not the most successful, the greatest like 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.960 his his his uh, his bearing is is unbelievable. He's 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.720 probably the most famous as well, right, um, biggest pop printing. 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:42.440 Yeah yeah, because he represents possibly the greatest black phenomenon 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.000 that came out of America that's crossed over the world, 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.920 which is being a gang member. Right. Then he's embodied 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:53.760 being a hippie, right, which is California base, being a pimp, 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.920 which is some West Coast shit, h I mean, And 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.720 I think that's why, you know, outside of Dre obviously 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:03.320 being a part of the music and should have an 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:07.080 a vision for it. He represented the greatest cultural phenomenon 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.560 that we've ever seen as far as Black people in America. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.720 I think the key with Mexican hip hop, right, I 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.880 like to call him, I like to specialize, not Latin 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:21.840 hip hop. Mexican hip hop is truly embodying a culture 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.880 that has no representation. But if the if the actual 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:31.760 culture being represented doesn't have identity pieces or identity points, 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.840 then why buy it from that person versus buying it 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.080 from somebody else. Yeah, it's like I'm not going to 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.520 to McDonald's to buy tacos. I'm going to go to 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.520 King Tacos. No, I get it. I get it. Um. 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:48.200 So that's why I said, I don't know if it's 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.640 a conversation of evolution or it's the same thing that's 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.080 happening across the world to everybody else where. You're assimilating 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:59.360 into mainstream. Because yeah, it's like there's no culture. I 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:03.000 always tell you this, there's no culture in Gucci. There's 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.800 no culture. Culture in Lousia. I feel like there is 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.760 culture and Gucci though no zero. I mean, look at 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.400 look at where Gucci even became, you know, where it 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.640 was introduced into the hip hop industry. It came from 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.040 New York, from the drug dealers, you know, Alpole and 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.040 all that. They was wearing Gucci before the rappers was 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:22.400 wearing it. That's where the rappers start wearing it because 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.480 they started and Dapper Damn was making it ship. You 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.120 feel what I'm saying and boom, there it is there 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.000 that's a grassroot influencing hip hop ricor well, I'm not 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.520 saying that influence. I'm saying it's not cultural. It's not 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.800 a cultural thing. It's like, um, it's cultural for hip hop, 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.320 and every motherfucker in this in this culture owns something 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.960 of Gucci has But but I think that waters it down. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.600 I think that's the problem, is it. Well, yeah, I 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.760 guess it, and that I mean the value, but it's 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:54.280 still cultural to our culture. I think it's us taking 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.600 from kind of So what happened to hip hop is 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:01.120 we got caught up trying to sell wealth. I feel like, 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.400 and we said wealth to other poor people, so we 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:05.040 all want to look like we got it to other 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:08.639 poor people because don't nobody who have money think about it? Right, 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.280 don't nobody wealthy care about Gucci? Like the wealthiest people 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.280 I know don't even own Gulci. I think. I think, 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.680 I think hip hop create. A matter of fact, this 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.280 is a great question for Pete. Look, hip hop created. 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:25.840 Hip hop created a finish line for the hood or 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:30.600 a place of honor, right, and so you know, they 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:32.679 go and they and they get the Gucci and all 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.240 these things that you want to You want to work hard, 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.080 you want to get it right because you see your 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.399 favorite the people we lucky to look up to, the 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.240 hip hop artists, you feel me the ambassadors of where 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.440 we come from, and they give us that that that 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:49.160 standard of what we're reaching. The finally you know success. 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.520 To me, that's what that represents. What I'm saying, And 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:57.200 if there was a time capsule for hip hop something, 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.480 Gucci better be in that. Motherfucker you know what I'm not. 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:07.960 But but I think that I think this hard. I 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:09.560 I mean to cut you off, and I think these 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:15.200 soft new motherfucker's, these politics motherfucker's try to try to 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.920 fuck Gucci and hip hop's relationship. Fuck y'all for that. 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.119 It's I mean, like like two points. I think to 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:26.760 some degree, I mean that we were talking about like 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.280 like demographic ships, I think globalization of technology. It's the 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.720 integrity of a subculture is a lot easier to remain 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.480 intact when it's in more of a of an echo 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.120 chamber and it's held together. I mean, like you look 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:44.280 at like the history of the population in southern California's 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:48.280 black community was a really south central, centralized late eighties. 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.680 It's Marino Valley, It's high desertus Inland Empire. It's much 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.440 more Latino in South l A. That trans continuous. So 0:18:55.480 --> 0:19:00.800 now you see these more an integrated water down areas 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.520 where the black communityists in the California. So the culture 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.399 and of itself becomes exposed to and broken up more 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.080 different influences that are localized. You see the same thing 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.160 happening electronically with you know, globalization of access and stuff 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:16.040 like that. Um well, I was I was gonna ask 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:17.919 you as far as like the evolution of like a cello, 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:20.920 I thought a fair illustration of it, and it's a 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.240 stupid little seas from a lot of years ago, or 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.359 the Sealina movie when the trollos pull up on the bus. 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:28.840 What's the troll And I was probably supposed to be 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:33.520 that been early nineties, probably like King Little Yeah, it was, 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.880 it was that was totally Hollywood hackish. But yeah, what's 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.880 what's okay? So the modern I'd say King Luji, He's 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:43.480 a representation of what these young dudes look like now 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.080 because you know, I'm a little older than them, you know, 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.080 I I still have my original roots to a certain extent, 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:52.040 you know. But but let me ask you a question. Um, 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:59.680 And that's the point I'm saying, like, Um, so I 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:01.960 was out of the titles, right, Um, and this is 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.760 something that I have to contend with all the time. Um, 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:09.360 outside of the titles. Cultural is is all about language. 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:18.080 Culture is all about lingo, morale, cuisine, fashion. Whenever we 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:24.680 wear European like, think about the greatest movements ever, you 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.680 know what I mean. Initially they started with very simple concepts, 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:33.399 whether it's obviously death row or or uh ruthless right, 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.399 that's a forty dollar outfit at that time. Yeah, the 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:43.280 Ben Davis twenty dollar shoes, Cortez fear me like this 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.800 is this is what made it dope culture. There's no 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:51.160 culture what wealthy people are. Culture pretty much resides where 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:54.560 poor people are because that's where you. The dirt creates 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:56.359 the culture, and if you kind of living good, you 0:20:56.480 --> 0:21:02.520 far away from the dirt. Um cash money T shirt. Yeah, 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.600 I mean like yeah, but you see the elevation of 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:09.200 them on the next album d had a Rolex. You know, 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:13.280 I'm not I'm not disagreeing with Had fucking Jaguars and 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:16.600 the projects, but I think that I think the perfect 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:21.040 blend is those two things together. Okay, As I always 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:25.480 said you, I think the perfect blend are success and culture, 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.800 and they don't necessarily supposed to go together, but they 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:34.280 go together. Nothing is more doper like, nothing is fresher 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.640 right then seeing a nigga. You ever see the nigga 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:39.960 jump out of a Lamborghini wearing a Dickey suit and 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:46.959 some Chucks, That is probably that's probably the most epic 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:50.560 thing in the world. And another thing I disagree with 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:53.240 a lot of artists today and modern artists is like 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:56.280 and I disagree one in my time too. I don't 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:59.520 think there's no culture in the Midley. I think that 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:03.720 Repper since wealth do right, but there's no culture. And 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:05.480 I'm gonna tell you the problem I used to run into. 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:10.760 So Bentley is only a Bentley to poor people when 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:14.520 you went Beverly Hills. It's a regular car. When I 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:16.680 was in the g Wagon, I'm driving the g Wagon 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:20.680 that's a soccer mom car. But if I had to 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:24.280 rag fifty seven right with the new chassis under there, 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:31.320 the LS painted custom looking nice, that's the same car 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:35.159 that's special in the hood and in Beverly Hills. When 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:37.520 I would drive my old school through Beverly Hills, I 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:42.240 would get thumbs up all the white menut hey. And 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:44.760 that's what hip hop is all about. That's what made 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:48.760 Death Row in West Coast hip hop the greatest renaissance 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:52.840 and all arts, because literally it became something the whole 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:55.960 world can be. You know what I mean. You didn't 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:59.840 have to have great credit. You just put your grandpa 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.560 old car from out the yard under the tree, fixed 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:05.440 that thing up, put some datinges on there, chrome some stuff, 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:09.000 puts my draulics. You didn't have to have thousands of 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.760 dollars to buy clothes, right, You just go to the 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:21.480 local uh surplus surplus and shoes, put some big laces 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:26.240 in there for me, and you are cultured. And I 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:30.760 think that's what made hip hop special. I think these 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:34.080 moments that's not special now is because of that. I 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:37.040 think that's why we don't have any global acts, Like no, 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:40.600 we have global acts. We don't have giants anymore. When's 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:45.560