Speaker 1: And then dre providing that music right, that fit that landscape,
Speaker 1: like all of that p funk they was using. I
Speaker 1: asked a lot of my O G hommies, that's all
Speaker 1: gang bang music. They were telling me. Flashlight will get
Speaker 1: you funked up at the party. This is the attention
Speaker 1: to detail necessary to separate good from great. This guy
Speaker 1: will stop recording for the a C. That's that's the standard.
Speaker 1: He's that's the standard here. He's meticulous like that. He'll
Speaker 1: let me come on and the sound of my miserable
Speaker 1: voice saying dumbest stupidity for thirty minutes. Cool. But if
Speaker 1: the a C is on in the background, we're stopping it. Um,
Speaker 1: why do you feel? What's the slight on? You feel?
Speaker 1: Being a cholo is because me and you always burial stereotypers,
Speaker 1: You feel me, I think, Um. The the general understanding
Speaker 1: of rollo is very Hollywood, very movie, very you know,
Speaker 1: like a crip. I guess you know, because I'm not
Speaker 1: familiar how I don't don't. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: don't know how people think crip sposed well, because you know,
Speaker 1: I know real crips. I've been in real cripals at
Speaker 1: the point. You know, real Tolos, So it's just different
Speaker 1: from me. I guess I hold it a little bit
Speaker 1: different because I am a trolo so to speak, right,
Speaker 1: you know, by by origin and all that. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know the the image of trollo. Have you ever
Speaker 1: seen the movie Cobra? Anybody remember that movie Cobra was
Speaker 1: the Western saloon. Well there, there there's an image there.
Speaker 1: There's a part in that movie where he pulls up
Speaker 1: on the beach and there's some trollos there and he
Speaker 1: like rips his fucking uh his tank top off of
Speaker 1: him and he slaps him and takes a cigarette and
Speaker 1: smokes it. And that's kind of like the generalization of
Speaker 1: nobody would portray totals, so to speak. You feel, I'm say, no, no, nobody. Actually,
Speaker 1: when people think of Tolos and films, they're gonna think
Speaker 1: of American Me or Bloody and blood Out and Worst
Speaker 1: and Worst Time. Those movies are are are not completely
Speaker 1: on of what the trollo really is. But that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's like Colors. Rocket is not really a crip. What
Speaker 1: I mean, I meant turned through crips like Rocket though,
Speaker 1: who play Rocket Dog? Oh but I'm saying they don't
Speaker 1: act like don Cheeto, No, but I mean that they're
Speaker 1: they're moving like that for sure. So you mean to
Speaker 1: tell me you feel like they're hanging on crips. You
Speaker 1: feel like crips have the correct representation in Hollywood, but
Speaker 1: not Chelos. I think I think that moment in time
Speaker 1: they did, for sure. But you know what, at that
Speaker 1: moment in time, I think they portrayed Torolos accurate at
Speaker 1: the same time exactly, That's what I'm saying. But but
Speaker 1: you know current day, they don't. They still portray them
Speaker 1: at that at that so what I'm saying, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like there's no evolution of the son is
Speaker 1: in here doing That's my biggest thing. Whenever they never
Speaker 1: televised the elevation of the crolo or the or the
Speaker 1: the fucking what do you call? But do you feel
Speaker 1: that's the evolution of the crolo? But you don't think
Speaker 1: that's I don't know if that's evolution. Why. I mean,
Speaker 1: go to East La and you'll see the evolution of
Speaker 1: the trollo really is. Yeah, what is just just for
Speaker 1: the audience sake, yuah, what's sterence between a clo, a Latino,
Speaker 1: a Chicano some of that, And how has the trolo
Speaker 1: evolved in the last thirty five years? First off, by
Speaker 1: by by origin, right, the trollo is a Chicano thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the chicano is a is a Mexican American. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you have to be born here to be a
Speaker 1: Chicano if you're Mexican. Latino is it's a representation of
Speaker 1: anything Laddin, so that could be Salvadorians, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans. Still,
Speaker 1: do you like the term Latin Latin stupid? Exactly? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you like the term Latin X or is Latin
Speaker 1: X kind of stupid? No, I'm a Chicano. I'm not
Speaker 1: no Latin. That's that you know that A little to walk,
Speaker 1: a little too walk for this for this student. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that at all. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna do that. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know where that came with l M bro, We're gonna
Speaker 1: leave them right, don't make me go. They're gonna fuck
Speaker 1: gay ladies go whoop your Yeah, you know they're after me. Man,
Speaker 1: he'd be talking about b l A. I mean gay
Speaker 1: lady lady likes one gonna squab you up, Bro, I'm
Speaker 1: just look like, bro, look, I speak on it because
Speaker 1: it's you know, they're coming in under the cover of
Speaker 1: social issues for black people, like they're representing them type
Speaker 1: of issues when they're not. You know, they're not here
Speaker 1: for the betterment of that community. They're here for their
Speaker 1: own agenda to push homosexuality and all that other stuff
Speaker 1: and really like the the masculinity of society and all. Honestly,
Speaker 1: if you really want to bust it down from like it,
Speaker 1: what's going on right now? You feel what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like and that's bad. I'm not going to disagree with
Speaker 1: the word of that political football content. I'm not against it.
Speaker 1: How would you then, ductors defies, Let me ask you something.
Speaker 1: Are you comfortable with your son going to school learning
Speaker 1: about you know, men kissing and I'm not having kids.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying or that's why I'm not having it.
Speaker 1: There's no politically correct like keep it real, bro, That's
Speaker 1: why I'm not having it. The problem with society now
Speaker 1: is we can't keep it real. Nobody wants to talk
Speaker 1: about I'm keeping room. I'm keeping it real. I don't
Speaker 1: want everybody wants to go to heaven. You know they're
Speaker 1: talking about you know what a theby isby? That's a
Speaker 1: phrase that they're they're trying to make that is that
Speaker 1: calling the baby? It's a theby? You know why? Because
Speaker 1: it's waiting for it to grow up and decide what gender.
Speaker 1: It is fascinating. People don't kill you dig me how
Speaker 1: many years? Maybe some people decide that what they are
Speaker 1: sooner than others. I don't know so so the way
Speaker 1: I feel about it all that's why I don't want
Speaker 1: to have children. Okay, the world that's going on today,
Speaker 1: it's a little too complex. I don't got enough energy
Speaker 1: to explain to another human being what's going on. And
Speaker 1: I couldn't rationalize it, honestly, See, I would expect glasses
Speaker 1: to say, you know, that's why I'm standing up and
Speaker 1: I'm letting anybody know the day on some function. But
Speaker 1: he's he's about now. He's saying, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: far back. I ain't gonna get involved. No, I'm motherucker's
Speaker 1: gotta get involved. Motherfucker's gotta talk about this ship they
Speaker 1: gotta raise, how about it? I'm not I'm listening so
Speaker 1: the way I feel about listen, Um, I just literally
Speaker 1: agree with your debate. I'm saying the world has gotten
Speaker 1: so complex, I don't want to have children. I feel
Speaker 1: that that's so to your point, well hold on, but
Speaker 1: see that's that's the effect of this whole fucking weird
Speaker 1: old society that we live in. It's making people not
Speaker 1: even want to have children. That's true. A one point
Speaker 1: six per two. You feel me not wanting to not
Speaker 1: wanting to see himself and and to come up. You did, like,
Speaker 1: that's crazy to take it even a step further. You
Speaker 1: grew up in the eighties and nineties and Watts, and
Speaker 1: you don't want your kid to grow up in the
Speaker 1: suburbs in this social environment. That's a statement. WATS is
Speaker 1: easy relative to uh, Watts is easier than woke right now, Woke.
Speaker 1: I like that. I wish WATTS is definitely one can't
Speaker 1: be easy to navigate through. Once you've been there for me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I can navigate. If I could raise a kid
Speaker 1: and Watson, he'll be fine. You can get on the
Speaker 1: green line and go to elsegon to two seconds. You
Speaker 1: can't leave woke crowd. Woke chases you down. You have
Speaker 1: a thousand people. So as far as Black Lives Matter,
Speaker 1: I just think it's some pussy ship please, you know,
Speaker 1: so I'm just being honest. I just think you genuinely.
Speaker 1: But but but for a different reason, right. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't like to tell somebody, hey, you know what, the
Speaker 1: way you're treating me is bad. Um, you please stop
Speaker 1: treating me this way. Uh. I don't like Black Lives
Speaker 1: Matter because it's like put out your phone and record
Speaker 1: what's going on. Like I'm more black power. Like if
Speaker 1: I see an injustice, I'm gonna risk my life to
Speaker 1: save the brother. But see, that's the thing. They're not
Speaker 1: even in the business of doing that. Well. I mean again,
Speaker 1: their business is a whole different conversation obviously, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I mean they got a grip of
Speaker 1: stuff incorporated, you know, not for profit. George Seyles funded
Speaker 1: them a million dollars. That's not a conspiracy theory. I've
Speaker 1: heard that before, so THATSCT. No, it's on the books.
Speaker 1: I mean most small yeah, that's probably smaller most nonprofits
Speaker 1: are funded. I mean, think about it right now. Um,
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick is funded by Nike, and that's the same
Speaker 1: people that's fund in the nfl H. I mean, so again,
Speaker 1: I don't really buy into any of these movements. Um,
Speaker 1: I for sure, Like so capp Is, I think his
Speaker 1: point is he's trying to do the right thing right.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm focused at right, And and his old
Speaker 1: ladiness is the home girl. I know they're trying to
Speaker 1: do the right thing. But nobody that come up where
Speaker 1: we come up will be trying to teach kids rights.
Speaker 1: The police are ignoring your right to live. The last
Speaker 1: thing you needed to be doing is arguing some fucking
Speaker 1: civil or or or criminal matters with the motherfucking person
Speaker 1: paid to try to keep peace. That's something you explain
Speaker 1: in court. So it definitely bothers me that certain people
Speaker 1: like that who don't who may don't have the vested interests,
Speaker 1: or whoever is around him explaining to them what should
Speaker 1: be happening. It's like I tell sticks all the time, like,
Speaker 1: don't go teach a bunch of poor people financial literacy.
Speaker 1: Let's figure out how to create industry around these poor people.
Speaker 1: And then as they're making money, we can teach them
Speaker 1: financial literacy. But how are you gonna tell the motherfucker
Speaker 1: that can't pay rent how to save money? That might
Speaker 1: be a little distracting to try to you know, I
Speaker 1: need to remember these lessons on how to save money. Mean,
Speaker 1: while I can't pay the rent some money, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: chicken and a conversations where I think they're only like
Speaker 1: that because people not from where we're from. I just
Speaker 1: feel like, I feel like because I am older, No right,
Speaker 1: I feel like because I've I've been through so many
Speaker 1: things in my life. I'm I'm even though I am
Speaker 1: a cholo, like I'm pretty well rounded this ship. Like
Speaker 1: wat are you saying the Crip can't be well around it? No?
Speaker 1: But you know most people student, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I have I have Native American friends. I have
Speaker 1: Crip friends. You might see me with just one day,
Speaker 1: you see me with some cripts, and so you know,
Speaker 1: I I because of the type of experiences I've had
Speaker 1: with all these different types of people. Sometimes maybe I
Speaker 1: feel like I have a past to speak on certain things,
Speaker 1: and I want to speak on certain things because it's
Speaker 1: just not going the way. You know, that's not the
Speaker 1: right way. So, um, I did it a little backlash
Speaker 1: for speaking on bl M because a lot of people
Speaker 1: immediately want to accumulate it it as it to being
Speaker 1: a racist thing because I'm a Mexican guy and I'm
Speaker 1: talking about these things. But you can. But but at
Speaker 1: the same time, like I speak on it because I
Speaker 1: I understand it, Like I've been in the in the streets,
Speaker 1: I know what's going on here. You know collusion when
Speaker 1: you see it. You know collusion when you see it,
Speaker 1: you feel me it's grazy as fun. I feel what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I don't know. One day, I'm gonna sit
Speaker 1: down and talk to the people. Um. I obviously anybody
Speaker 1: that's thinking would have a question about it. I mean
Speaker 1: anything that individualized. I guess that's how they feel progress
Speaker 1: is gonna be made. But I didn't you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't. I didn't even get you here
Speaker 1: to talk about that. What I think. I wanted to
Speaker 1: focus on that because because we always do what we do. Yeah, period, Um,
Speaker 1: what do you think? So again back to the point
Speaker 1: of TOLO, like evolution, Like what do you feel it's
Speaker 1: evolved into? Um, that's an interesting question. Is I don't
Speaker 1: know if evolution is the correct word, Like I think
Speaker 1: and well, it has evolved we just I don't think
Speaker 1: evolved is the right word. I think it's starting to blend, right,
Speaker 1: is where it's not being cultured at all. Well, I
Speaker 1: think that's the evolution of it all blending. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't assimilating. I mean to some degree, but it's
Speaker 1: as simulation evolution, yeah, because it's it's stepping into something
Speaker 1: that it wasn't before. I mean, evolution, evolution is built
Speaker 1: on the preserve life. Well, let me ask you this, Well,
Speaker 1: at this point, it's gonna be kind of hard to
Speaker 1: keep the evolution of the cholo conventional because it's just
Speaker 1: not like that in l A. No more that the
Speaker 1: lines are being crossed constantly. There's no more show me
Speaker 1: a predominant show me a black neighborhood, all black people,
Speaker 1: all black businesses, all black everything. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's ever been there before. You feel what I'm saying
Speaker 1: to me. But no, no, no, that's not true because
Speaker 1: many many majority zip codes. That's not true. You know why,
Speaker 1: because I think at a certain time in Watts it
Speaker 1: might have been exactly like that almost maybe aside from
Speaker 1: the actual business from nobody predominantly black and Watson and
Speaker 1: Compton at one point, but now it's what Mexicans black. Okay,
Speaker 1: so even more so, how why you understand that the
Speaker 1: evolution is like you're saying, it's starting a becoming connecting
Speaker 1: to something totally different because the influence is there. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's I think that's going mainstream.
Speaker 1: So it's like we all talk about hip hop, right,
Speaker 1: our jobs and hip hop is cultural, Like our job
Speaker 1: is to supply culture the greatest people supply culture that
Speaker 1: has no representation, right the Snoop Dog is probably the
Speaker 1: greatest hip hop artist of all time, not your favorite,
Speaker 1: not the best, not the most successful, the greatest like
Speaker 1: his his his uh, his bearing is is unbelievable. He's
Speaker 1: probably the most famous as well, right, um, biggest pop printing.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, because he represents possibly the greatest black phenomenon
Speaker 1: that came out of America that's crossed over the world,
Speaker 1: which is being a gang member. Right. Then he's embodied
Speaker 1: being a hippie, right, which is California base, being a pimp,
Speaker 1: which is some West Coast shit, h I mean, And
Speaker 1: I think that's why, you know, outside of Dre obviously
Speaker 1: being a part of the music and should have an
Speaker 1: a vision for it. He represented the greatest cultural phenomenon
Speaker 1: that we've ever seen as far as Black people in America.
Speaker 1: I think the key with Mexican hip hop, right, I
Speaker 1: like to call him, I like to specialize, not Latin
Speaker 1: hip hop. Mexican hip hop is truly embodying a culture
Speaker 1: that has no representation. But if the if the actual
Speaker 1: culture being represented doesn't have identity pieces or identity points,
Speaker 1: then why buy it from that person versus buying it
Speaker 1: from somebody else. Yeah, it's like I'm not going to
Speaker 1: to McDonald's to buy tacos. I'm going to go to
Speaker 1: King Tacos. No, I get it. I get it. Um.
Speaker 1: So that's why I said, I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: a conversation of evolution or it's the same thing that's
Speaker 1: happening across the world to everybody else where. You're assimilating
Speaker 1: into mainstream. Because yeah, it's like there's no culture. I
Speaker 1: always tell you this, there's no culture in Gucci. There's
Speaker 1: no culture. Culture in Lousia. I feel like there is
Speaker 1: culture and Gucci though no zero. I mean, look at
Speaker 1: look at where Gucci even became, you know, where it
Speaker 1: was introduced into the hip hop industry. It came from
Speaker 1: New York, from the drug dealers, you know, Alpole and
Speaker 1: all that. They was wearing Gucci before the rappers was
Speaker 1: wearing it. That's where the rappers start wearing it because
Speaker 1: they started and Dapper Damn was making it ship. You
Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying and boom, there it is there
Speaker 1: that's a grassroot influencing hip hop ricor well, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that influence. I'm saying it's not cultural. It's not
Speaker 1: a cultural thing. It's like, um, it's cultural for hip hop,
Speaker 1: and every motherfucker in this in this culture owns something
Speaker 1: of Gucci has But but I think that waters it down.
Speaker 1: I think that's the problem, is it. Well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess it, and that I mean the value, but it's
Speaker 1: still cultural to our culture. I think it's us taking
Speaker 1: from kind of So what happened to hip hop is
Speaker 1: we got caught up trying to sell wealth. I feel like,
Speaker 1: and we said wealth to other poor people, so we
Speaker 1: all want to look like we got it to other
Speaker 1: poor people because don't nobody who have money think about it? Right,
Speaker 1: don't nobody wealthy care about Gucci? Like the wealthiest people
Speaker 1: I know don't even own Gulci. I think. I think,
Speaker 1: I think hip hop create. A matter of fact, this
Speaker 1: is a great question for Pete. Look, hip hop created.
Speaker 1: Hip hop created a finish line for the hood or
Speaker 1: a place of honor, right, and so you know, they
Speaker 1: go and they and they get the Gucci and all
Speaker 1: these things that you want to You want to work hard,
Speaker 1: you want to get it right because you see your
Speaker 1: favorite the people we lucky to look up to, the
Speaker 1: hip hop artists, you feel me the ambassadors of where
Speaker 1: we come from, and they give us that that that
Speaker 1: standard of what we're reaching. The finally you know success.
Speaker 1: To me, that's what that represents. What I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: if there was a time capsule for hip hop something,
Speaker 1: Gucci better be in that. Motherfucker you know what I'm not.
Speaker 1: But but I think that I think this hard. I
Speaker 1: I mean to cut you off, and I think these
Speaker 1: soft new motherfucker's, these politics motherfucker's try to try to
Speaker 1: fuck Gucci and hip hop's relationship. Fuck y'all for that.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, like like two points. I think to
Speaker 1: some degree, I mean that we were talking about like
Speaker 1: like demographic ships, I think globalization of technology. It's the
Speaker 1: integrity of a subculture is a lot easier to remain
Speaker 1: intact when it's in more of a of an echo
Speaker 1: chamber and it's held together. I mean, like you look
Speaker 1: at like the history of the population in southern California's
Speaker 1: black community was a really south central, centralized late eighties.
Speaker 1: It's Marino Valley, It's high desertus Inland Empire. It's much
Speaker 1: more Latino in South l A. That trans continuous. So
Speaker 1: now you see these more an integrated water down areas
Speaker 1: where the black communityists in the California. So the culture
Speaker 1: and of itself becomes exposed to and broken up more
Speaker 1: different influences that are localized. You see the same thing
Speaker 1: happening electronically with you know, globalization of access and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Um well, I was I was gonna ask
Speaker 1: you as far as like the evolution of like a cello,
Speaker 1: I thought a fair illustration of it, and it's a
Speaker 1: stupid little seas from a lot of years ago, or
Speaker 1: the Sealina movie when the trollos pull up on the bus.
Speaker 1: What's the troll And I was probably supposed to be
Speaker 1: that been early nineties, probably like King Little Yeah, it was,
Speaker 1: it was that was totally Hollywood hackish. But yeah, what's
Speaker 1: what's okay? So the modern I'd say King Luji, He's
Speaker 1: a representation of what these young dudes look like now
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm a little older than them, you know,
Speaker 1: I I still have my original roots to a certain extent,
Speaker 1: you know. But but let me ask you a question. Um,
Speaker 1: And that's the point I'm saying, like, Um, so I
Speaker 1: was out of the titles, right, Um, and this is
Speaker 1: something that I have to contend with all the time. Um,
Speaker 1: outside of the titles. Cultural is is all about language.
Speaker 1: Culture is all about lingo, morale, cuisine, fashion. Whenever we
Speaker 1: wear European like, think about the greatest movements ever, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Initially they started with very simple concepts,
Speaker 1: whether it's obviously death row or or uh ruthless right,
Speaker 1: that's a forty dollar outfit at that time. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Ben Davis twenty dollar shoes, Cortez fear me like this
Speaker 1: is this is what made it dope culture. There's no
Speaker 1: culture what wealthy people are. Culture pretty much resides where
Speaker 1: poor people are because that's where you. The dirt creates
Speaker 1: the culture, and if you kind of living good, you
Speaker 1: far away from the dirt. Um cash money T shirt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like yeah, but you see the elevation of
Speaker 1: them on the next album d had a Rolex. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not disagreeing with Had fucking Jaguars and
Speaker 1: the projects, but I think that I think the perfect
Speaker 1: blend is those two things together. Okay, As I always
Speaker 1: said you, I think the perfect blend are success and culture,
Speaker 1: and they don't necessarily supposed to go together, but they
Speaker 1: go together. Nothing is more doper like, nothing is fresher
Speaker 1: right then seeing a nigga. You ever see the nigga
Speaker 1: jump out of a Lamborghini wearing a Dickey suit and
Speaker 1: some Chucks, That is probably that's probably the most epic
Speaker 1: thing in the world. And another thing I disagree with
Speaker 1: a lot of artists today and modern artists is like
Speaker 1: and I disagree one in my time too. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's no culture in the Midley. I think that
Speaker 1: Repper since wealth do right, but there's no culture. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you the problem I used to run into.
Speaker 1: So Bentley is only a Bentley to poor people when
Speaker 1: you went Beverly Hills. It's a regular car. When I
Speaker 1: was in the g Wagon, I'm driving the g Wagon
Speaker 1: that's a soccer mom car. But if I had to
Speaker 1: rag fifty seven right with the new chassis under there,
Speaker 1: the LS painted custom looking nice, that's the same car
Speaker 1: that's special in the hood and in Beverly Hills. When
Speaker 1: I would drive my old school through Beverly Hills, I
Speaker 1: would get thumbs up all the white menut hey. And
Speaker 1: that's what hip hop is all about. That's what made
Speaker 1: Death Row in West Coast hip hop the greatest renaissance
Speaker 1: and all arts, because literally it became something the whole
Speaker 1: world can be. You know what I mean. You didn't
Speaker 1: have to have great credit. You just put your grandpa
Speaker 1: old car from out the yard under the tree, fixed
Speaker 1: that thing up, put some datinges on there, chrome some stuff,
Speaker 1: puts my draulics. You didn't have to have thousands of
Speaker 1: dollars to buy clothes, right, You just go to the
Speaker 1: local uh surplus surplus and shoes, put some big laces
Speaker 1: in there for me, and you are cultured. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what made hip hop special. I think these
Speaker 1: moments that's not special now is because of that. I
Speaker 1: think that's why we don't have any global acts, Like no,
Speaker 1: we have global acts. We don't have giants anymore. When's
Speaker 1: the last time we had a giant? And he's the closest, right,
Speaker 1: but he's not even all the way there. You don't think.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I would say he's
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg. He's gonna. I don't think he's game yet,
Speaker 1: you question, I don't know if he but he's right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because games out at this point like like a shift
Speaker 1: and say, like the culture like talking about going global
Speaker 1: and in music now you see like DJs go do shows.
Speaker 1: I mean they'll put on a concert playing someone else's
Speaker 1: music and that's the DJ. He picks great other people's songs.
Speaker 1: That's how hip hop started. Yeah, well yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: origin of the foundation of hip hop sport. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it got big when the names could go out there
Speaker 1: you get headline. That's how we're starting. Whyn't they started
Speaker 1: the car That's the thing like, and we're talking about
Speaker 1: like if you start talking about like David Getta, they're
Speaker 1: just doing all that whole style is just oh hip hop.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds crazy that that's what cool Herd was,
Speaker 1: don't most people don't know who Cool herk M C
Speaker 1: wkay you know what this is. This is what I
Speaker 1: can say about about what you was asking me right
Speaker 1: now that I'm thinking about it and we're talking the
Speaker 1: reason why it seems like the Mexican rap scene and
Speaker 1: all that in all that whole little scenario is coming
Speaker 1: together the way you're saying it is connecting like becoming
Speaker 1: pretty much entwining into a different culture. I think it's because,
Speaker 1: um M, you know, for the on the artists we
Speaker 1: have the artists, there was never no real elevation like
Speaker 1: there was for the mainstream artists. So you know, whether
Speaker 1: you know you see the Game become a millionaire you
Speaker 1: feel me, or you see Kendrick become a millionaire, you
Speaker 1: never seen Brown Side become a millionaire, you know. And
Speaker 1: they were signed to a major label, they're signing Ruthless,
Speaker 1: but you've just never seen that elevation. So at some
Speaker 1: point the fans in the community began to look at
Speaker 1: what the next best thing that's shooting upwards. They have
Speaker 1: to they have to find something to feed off of
Speaker 1: and and be um influenced by, and they have to
Speaker 1: have some type of structure to graph for right success.
Speaker 1: So boom, they shifted their their visual to who the
Speaker 1: people that you see becoming rich Snoop Dogg exhibit, you know,
Speaker 1: and so forth and so forth. You know, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if so. One thing
Speaker 1: I realized is hip hop is two things right the
Speaker 1: record like with the hip hop side of the record label. Right,
Speaker 1: it's two things right styles, it's vision and it's music.
Speaker 1: The greatest movements ever had vision and music. Right. So
Speaker 1: if we go back to Ruthless right from the West,
Speaker 1: easy is the vision they all wrote, Easy, Ease, Life,
Speaker 1: low Riding Looking this way. He was the vision. Dr
Speaker 1: Dre was the music. Death Row Sugar Knight was the vision.
Speaker 1: Dr Dre was the music. Um No Limit P was
Speaker 1: the vision. Beats by the Pound was the music. Cash
Speaker 1: Money Records, Birdman is Slim was the vision. That's how
Speaker 1: you saw them. Many Fresh did the music. Bad Boy
Speaker 1: Puff with the vision made me with the mu Zick.
Speaker 1: I think as far as Mexican hip hop goes right,
Speaker 1: I think the producer part has been lacking because that matters, right,
Speaker 1: because you got to know what you're pulling from, like cultural, culturally,
Speaker 1: it matters, right. Fingers is probably the most successful. Is
Speaker 1: that fair to saye? He is probably the most successful.
Speaker 1: So to me, that probably David Solace after him. Right,
Speaker 1: So to me, I don't understand why enough artists don't
Speaker 1: work with fingers. And then at that point, now you
Speaker 1: also have to have somebody more resourceful with the vision.
Speaker 1: There is no shoop Dog without sug Night. I don't
Speaker 1: care if it's just Dre's. Yeah, I told I told
Speaker 1: Royalty that from a low profile. He calls me all
Speaker 1: the time. Um, shout out to Royal team man that
Speaker 1: that's it. You would like him. You gotta real solid
Speaker 1: still always talk about it. You know, mean he's but
Speaker 1: you know that's what I always tell him. There's no
Speaker 1: there's no mediums and ship you feel mean that there's
Speaker 1: no there's no there's no places to go, there's no moguls,
Speaker 1: there's no labels for us, and and that's and and
Speaker 1: until we build that that foundation for ourselves, it's always
Speaker 1: going to be in shambles. It's always gonna be going
Speaker 1: one and one and in every direction. You know, there's
Speaker 1: always gonna be people trying to mimic the people that
Speaker 1: are doing it the best, you feel me, because there's
Speaker 1: no there's no place to go, there's no organic sound
Speaker 1: being created for theirselves. You feel what I'm saying, So
Speaker 1: you're correct on that. So the reality is I think
Speaker 1: that's where that becomes a thing, like you have to
Speaker 1: go to fingers, right, but then you have to have
Speaker 1: somebody that has the vision. And the vision is is
Speaker 1: really important what I'm saying, it's it's it's I won't
Speaker 1: say it's important, it's as important as the music, but
Speaker 1: it is really you know, Cardinals, it's it's imperative that
Speaker 1: you get the vision together if you want to have
Speaker 1: longevity as an artist, because the brand is what people.
Speaker 1: People buy albums because of brands, because of the way
Speaker 1: it looks, how it feels, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They buy singles because of how the record, you know,
Speaker 1: because of the music. They buy brands because of the vision.
Speaker 1: So that's why I said part of Sugar Knights appealed
Speaker 1: with Snoopers understanding what he wanted to say with death Row.
Speaker 1: You know, initially it was supposed to be d e
Speaker 1: f Row like deaf Jam, uh, because came up with that. Doc.
Speaker 1: Doc came up with that, and he wanted to be
Speaker 1: deaf Row like deaf Jam. But should caught a vision
Speaker 1: and realized it needed to be death row like a
Speaker 1: bunch of niggas that that was getting out of jail
Speaker 1: or fighting cases. Right. So when he created that vision,
Speaker 1: he understood with Gangmagan meet in the l A and
Speaker 1: he had enough heart to say, Okay, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: this out to the world and mind you this is
Speaker 1: the greatest movement of blood and crypts together the highest level.
Speaker 1: And then Dre providing that music right that fit that landscape,
Speaker 1: like all of that p funk they was using. I
Speaker 1: asked a lot of my O G hummies, that's all
Speaker 1: gang bang music. They was telling me. Flashlight will get
Speaker 1: you fucked up. At the party, flashlight came out. That
Speaker 1: was the gang bang zone. My mom, like, my mom
Speaker 1: and dad are from my hood, right, um, I can remember.
Speaker 1: It's funny you said that people don't understand that where
Speaker 1: your hood is. Your hood is just where you're from period. Like,
Speaker 1: don't matter if you say you're not, everybody else gonna
Speaker 1: tell you from. Even if I wasn't like physically put
Speaker 1: into that hood, I'm still from there because my mother
Speaker 1: showed birthright, all her brothers, all her sisters, my father,
Speaker 1: my cousins, everybody to the same gang Anyways, um my
Speaker 1: first memories. I I remember waking up in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night and you know, walking into my kitchen
Speaker 1: and my dad's getting a tattoo right there, and there's
Speaker 1: motherfucker's in our front room, like dancing and fucking flashlight
Speaker 1: or no parking on the dance floor. Get your ass killed,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They told me that type
Speaker 1: of ship used to come on you fucking ready to
Speaker 1: get killed in the party if you wasn't for real,
Speaker 1: you know, so pack James Brown Dad like you know
Speaker 1: that Styles, Styles made a good way. Shout out to
Speaker 1: hold you on staff. Style said took his workout. Music
Speaker 1: was big payback that when you hear it, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you can't think of hip hop because hip hop
Speaker 1: is so much more dark and sinister. But I would
Speaker 1: imagine what that song sounds like because it is kind
Speaker 1: of sinister as fun. When it's the payback doctor get up.
Speaker 1: He's screaming at your ass, you like, bitch, ass, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna knock your ass nick out tonight that your ass
Speaker 1: Nick thought it was cool? Then a buffing at Venice
Speaker 1: nig it was hard? Is there like in some sense
Speaker 1: or another I'm saying, this is why as far as
Speaker 1: like black rappers on the West Coast getting on to
Speaker 1: Mexican rap tracks by Mexican producer and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: that's funny. He just was talking about this. That's funny.
Speaker 1: That is a different breed. So so I'm liferent for him,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna teppoint. It's going
Speaker 1: to be different. I'm gonna tell you why. I don't
Speaker 1: agree with that point. People ain't ship, So let me
Speaker 1: tell you what motherfucker's do. People gonna get on anybody hot.
Speaker 1: They're gonna pay anybody that they think is going to
Speaker 1: give them some ears. They will pay a dude that
Speaker 1: told on somebody if they thought people was gonna listen
Speaker 1: to them. I don't know that. I mean, yeah, but no,
Speaker 1: it depends on who we're talking about at this point.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that people will pay a person that's
Speaker 1: not even reality a real person, because they're looking for exposure.
Speaker 1: So I think, and and that's funny. He just was
Speaker 1: talking about that that all hip hop was dope. I'm
Speaker 1: proud I had be on you about that, but that's fire.
Speaker 1: I just want the best. I said that Uh, he
Speaker 1: was just saying that. He was saying he felt that
Speaker 1: there was uh a disparity, And I'm like, I get it,
Speaker 1: I get how that could be, But how many other
Speaker 1: times do people work together in which other business? Everybody
Speaker 1: only go to people that caters to their benefits. I mean,
Speaker 1: you see for me, look, because I put career has
Speaker 1: been different, right, Like, I haven't had to pay a
Speaker 1: lot of people, and I have some pretty notable features
Speaker 1: from Big Black Girl. I'm but the the majority of me,
Speaker 1: I guess I wrap a certain way, right so I
Speaker 1: can wiggle through the cracks the majority of the Mexican
Speaker 1: rappers that don't rap like me, I've seen what they've
Speaker 1: had to go through to get these people on the records.
Speaker 1: But that's what they're supposed to have to pay, right
Speaker 1: because I just seen, you know, anybody from everybody walking
Speaker 1: the glasses student be like where you want me to go?
Speaker 1: Because yeah, but that's not what are they gonna do
Speaker 1: that to everybody? Though? Every last other black rabber from
Speaker 1: what I've seen, yeah, they definitely it's not. Don't listen
Speaker 1: to him. I never I never seen somebody nobody, I never,
Speaker 1: I never seen nobody charge a D for a verse,
Speaker 1: so I know him pretty good. Trust me. I never
Speaker 1: seen no one charge glasses for trust me, niggas will
Speaker 1: try to charge a D. I've never seen nobody charge
Speaker 1: glasses for her. That's because I know who to ask,
Speaker 1: and I haven't seen the biggest stars with glasses. But
Speaker 1: but but but I also know who to ask. Or
Speaker 1: there's there's things. But if it's rapper a who's coming
Speaker 1: up that people don't know they're gonna charge you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think there should be Uh. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: you shouldn't charge people. Don't get it sucked up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because if I'm sounding rock, I want my money. But
Speaker 1: there should be uh respect for you. If that was
Speaker 1: there a reluctance like you said, you would have a
Speaker 1: little rock like and let's you be a respecting you
Speaker 1: out of the equation because you know, don't don't don't
Speaker 1: rip my head off. You know, if you come get
Speaker 1: a bird from me, I ain't gonna charge you the full.
Speaker 1: That's a lie. I'm gonna take three or four off,
Speaker 1: that's a goddamn sure. Gonna charge full. I'm not, I
Speaker 1: swear to God, if you're my man, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take three off because you're my guy. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take at least three thousand off the press, the dope
Speaker 1: and that understand. That's that's respectable. That's is not being honest. Dope.
Speaker 1: When you cross the border, it's cheap. It is cheap.
Speaker 1: When you get to this motherfucker, it is top dollar. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you still can't afford to take a certain amount
Speaker 1: off and still make your profit and not rape your pockets,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. Yeah, but nobody when when when dope, right,
Speaker 1: there should be a respex? Is where about thirty one?
Speaker 1: Thirty two? Or they still crazy? No? That's um. Last
Speaker 1: I heard it was I like that thirty or something. Okay,
Speaker 1: so right, thirty right because the Graham is like eighty
Speaker 1: dollars right, And it's crazy because if you take the
Speaker 1: ship and you actually clean it, you might get like fun,
Speaker 1: maybe a nickel because most of its cut at this point.
Speaker 1: But let me get to a point. No, No, nobody
Speaker 1: giving you no deals. Nobody like you know what you
Speaker 1: do me let me like, he's not listening, They're not like, okay, no,
Speaker 1: but there are deals to get deals. Bro. A deal
Speaker 1: with bricks is if you're buying a hundred and I'm
Speaker 1: going to take two thousand dollars off three two. But
Speaker 1: like because there's not a great parallel there, because that's
Speaker 1: such a one direction supply chain. You know, it is
Speaker 1: different to say like like you or Black rapper generic
Speaker 1: A would have Little Rob on his track, but will
Speaker 1: he go get on Little Robs. He'll he'll have little
Speaker 1: Little Robber will have Glasses on his album. But I
Speaker 1: don't think Little Rob's popping up on glasses and new ship.
Speaker 1: That's not true, Little Rob. It's hard. You don't be
Speaker 1: wanting to do work for everything. Like I would love
Speaker 1: that Little Rob on my album. But but yeah, but
Speaker 1: see that's why I say we can't use him as
Speaker 1: as That's probably fair because you know I'll make it work.
Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna get that treatment. Mexican people love Glasses. Well,
Speaker 1: that's because we're pretty time. We all grew up the
Speaker 1: same way as Big As but but but but also
Speaker 1: very popular. Yeah, you know, he has a big Mexican follower.
Speaker 1: That's why people like Coca Co. Yeah, dog, you can't
Speaker 1: use him, you know, but I told him, but I'm saying,
Speaker 1: but I'm it's a brother that wants King Little G
Speaker 1: for a verse. He's in Washington. Is he going to
Speaker 1: pay him? He's trying to pay That's what's up. But
Speaker 1: let me frame that Washington. If you yeah, he's you
Speaker 1: gotta pay anybody. He's not from my leg I listen.
Speaker 1: My thing is people will pay King Little G to
Speaker 1: wrap on their song. No, they will not paying people
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles will paying. What I'm saying, Jepariko ain't
Speaker 1: gonna pay him to get on the record. Why would they?
Speaker 1: They're literally brands are the same. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: it would benefit That's all I'm saying. Yeah, but why
Speaker 1: would Gie Perrico, who was actually six. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: pay most people to get on the record. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, but that's like King neil Ge not
Speaker 1: gonna pay most people to get on the record. At
Speaker 1: this point. Two part questions, Is there a stigma among
Speaker 1: the black listening audience about Mexican rap music? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I remember that when I was younger. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I agree with him there, but that's not that's not crazy.
Speaker 1: What does that impact? But that's but that's not that's
Speaker 1: not because that influences the playlisteners. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: The game does not treat Mexican artists fair. But that's not.
Speaker 1: But that's not. Hold up me. Let me say, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw motherfucker's under the but I'm not gonna motherfucker's.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's will interview somebody with two thousand views or two
Speaker 1: thousand followers, but won't interview let's say m c smiley,
Speaker 1: who got twenty thousand followers. I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 1: I know that's true. I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 1: We would love for Homegrown Radio to answer our emails.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying, but but with Head and I'm
Speaker 1: talking Head, and they try to there there we were
Speaker 1: trying to get on a different show. They try to
Speaker 1: charge us for an interview. Hold up Head and chuck
Speaker 1: millions of yous. He but that's not But that's that, nigga.
Speaker 1: I'm not on Homegrown right now. I'm not, but I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm just using them as because it could be anybody
Speaker 1: styles as any means publicist. Y'all can't see his face
Speaker 1: right now, anybody last look, And that's my sund It's
Speaker 1: because Head is my man styles no head. We all
Speaker 1: came up, so it's fucking hilarious. But but what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is it's don't try to walk it back that head. Damn.
Speaker 1: We're just using them as an example because there's other
Speaker 1: people that were reaching has homegrown every interview Kinglji No,
Speaker 1: and I don't know why they haven't. Why haven't they?
Speaker 1: I don't know why? And the funk haven't they. We're
Speaker 1: talking about a man who got millions of views, so
Speaker 1: then at that point they should be. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you why. So if they haven't point proven, if
Speaker 1: they have it point proven, if they haven't seen an
Speaker 1: interview with Mother, I've got three thousand followers, hold how
Speaker 1: many half a million million followers? Is it necessary at
Speaker 1: some point to have a major black producer signing can
Speaker 1: rap it the way Little John did pit Bull or
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, it is because you're not gonna
Speaker 1: get that. You're gonna you're not gonna get that. Look at.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you some king uh cap G has
Speaker 1: a black team. Yeah, but that's not everybody behind him
Speaker 1: is a black man. That means that he's gonna get
Speaker 1: them exclusive looks. He's gonna get those revote interviews. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get those those things that the mainstream artists get.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get those looks. But isn't that a relationship
Speaker 1: thing at that point? So okay, so look, so Young Drummer,
Speaker 1: so listen, we don't. We're not the gatekeepers. Hold up,
Speaker 1: hold up, hold up, hold up, so young trying to
Speaker 1: walk through a gate to get to those relationships. Hold up,
Speaker 1: hold up, Young Drummer was on home Wrong, Young Drummer
Speaker 1: boy one year ago? Hold up? King Little g on
Speaker 1: Big Boy? How long ago? One year ago? Okay, it's
Speaker 1: been a pandemic, King Little G on No Jumper twice? Okay, No,
Speaker 1: to mean it was so so those are those are
Speaker 1: just the premier artist that said there. I'm just I
Speaker 1: just I just went to because I said King home
Speaker 1: Grown Radio. Okay, I'm sure FIFA and just for the record, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not targeting damn, they're just tete. I'm not teting
Speaker 1: that the home is getting targeted. I've got targeted, but
Speaker 1: probably yeah, I'm not target but no, obviously obviously they
Speaker 1: know that. We're just making examples. But but I'm saying
Speaker 1: that's not fair. I'm gonna tell you. You know what
Speaker 1: funk that I'm in that classic um um Kendrick Lamar
Speaker 1: interview that they have the classic one. I'm sitting right
Speaker 1: behind Kendrick. That motherfucker's added me out, dog, So you
Speaker 1: know what I am talking about. Y'all know they edited
Speaker 1: me out. Yeah, I was sitting there the whole interview.
Speaker 1: And now I mean that what's going on? If I
Speaker 1: need all my respect, I need my answers, I need
Speaker 1: my respect, answer why am I edited out? Not in
Speaker 1: that interviewed to the extent that obviously the regionals are
Speaker 1: different cultures different. Whatnot is the how's the expand upon
Speaker 1: the relationship between like Latino in black New York and
Speaker 1: the hip hop culture and community there versus Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: That's but he knows that's what's different. But what's different
Speaker 1: the average the average Black person. It's not what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you by because so one, there's a lie.
Speaker 1: So there's a lie that's floating around. I wanted to
Speaker 1: make sure I shared this feed. Yeah, classes, the Latin
Speaker 1: people are super racist in New York. Like there's the
Speaker 1: thing like they like black people know a lot of
Speaker 1: the motherfucker's is racist and ship too. But it's just
Speaker 1: a stigma here, right, especially for clos where people feel
Speaker 1: like clos don't like black people. Yeah, you know, they
Speaker 1: got crazy rumors people a lot of what happened. Oh,
Speaker 1: don't wear white T shirts and all remember that bull shirt. No,
Speaker 1: it's not that you can't wear a white teeth is
Speaker 1: gonna get you. What kind of weird ship? Motherfucker's they
Speaker 1: flash your head like, don't flash it back? Yeah, ship, bro,
Speaker 1: they's be coming up with some ship. I don't know
Speaker 1: who we be sending this ship out. I always called
Speaker 1: always send it to my homies for one seven to
Speaker 1: be like foo, look at this, so you know, I'll say,
Speaker 1: so look, so I'm from right, it's a Mexican gang.
Speaker 1: That's the same hood, the CV one one sevens. So
Speaker 1: I grew up like that, like kind of you know,
Speaker 1: my one of my best friends as a kid is
Speaker 1: my boy mind though for me, I go to his
Speaker 1: house all the time. His family, he's Mexic family from Mexico.
Speaker 1: Are you the exception of the rule? But no, I
Speaker 1: think on the East Side in general, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like but but so, first off, he's from eighteen Street,
Speaker 1: so you know, the average black person think eighteen Street
Speaker 1: hate all niggas, but that's not true. But that's not
Speaker 1: that's not see you see multiple cultural people. From there
Speaker 1: you go telling the truth, that's not the point. That's true.
Speaker 1: She's top telling the truth. That's the problem. You telling
Speaker 1: the truth because not my truth. The thing that sent
Speaker 1: people's mind is what's wrong? Yeah, eighteen question real quick?
Speaker 1: Eighteen started because I was in the pressure of eighteen
Speaker 1: started as a multicultural hood back in the day. Was
Speaker 1: there an effort at some point with eighteen to kind
Speaker 1: of cleanse that out didn't have to deal with anything
Speaker 1: with the third teen relationship? Was that was at a
Speaker 1: potentiary thing? Or when um, yeah, I could talk about it, Okay.
Speaker 1: When when they when they had the peace treaties a
Speaker 1: while back, Um, they didn't want you know, I think
Speaker 1: they were looking down on like Mexican gangs with black members,
Speaker 1: and if I remember correctly, there was like a hood
Speaker 1: or two that they tried to force and then they
Speaker 1: were going to come in, you know, they were going
Speaker 1: to try to I guess maybe, yeah, cleans is the word.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't want to use the word cultural cleanse,
Speaker 1: gang cleans, gang cleans, right, But you know eighteen because
Speaker 1: I remember specifically being from a meeting where there was
Speaker 1: one hood where they didn't want to let them in.
Speaker 1: There was no peg like Morgan Freeman. That's what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I thought that good, let's edit that out. You gotta
Speaker 1: keep that. I want to make Freeman don't don't. Oh
Speaker 1: why did you combine those names to published the exact motherfucker?
Speaker 1: We're just beating out anyway, lost stories. You know what
Speaker 1: it's like South Park? They will you know you ever
Speaker 1: see South Park? When they know it's family guy, they
Speaker 1: won't show, Uh, you don't talk about gus. They will
Speaker 1: show uh who is the who is the character? They
Speaker 1: won't show he's the neighbor, isn't he? No, it's it's
Speaker 1: like a god like the Muslim? Oh no, is it
Speaker 1: a lie? Who is the character that they were Mohammed?
Speaker 1: They will not show the prophet Mohammed? Who go so
Speaker 1: so they was there was you know, they was trying
Speaker 1: to stop gangs with certain members from going in and
Speaker 1: we were like, nah, funk all that, like these are
Speaker 1: people because we should we showed up. There was about
Speaker 1: like five my black homies with me, like specificularly specifically
Speaker 1: from my click, there's about like twenty black people and
Speaker 1: they're all related and ship So you know, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Yeah, I guess, but we were
Speaker 1: in a we're in a different position. And it's Mexicans
Speaker 1: from my hood too, like not just one one seven,
Speaker 1: but literally from a hundred seventeen street watch crypt there's
Speaker 1: like Mexican people from my gang. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: they're gonna people are gonna do whatever you allow them
Speaker 1: to do. And like you talk about the perception along
Speaker 1: black people hates black people, is is that part of
Speaker 1: a ramification of like that that that's because that's because
Speaker 1: we you know, eighteen Street how to be for the
Speaker 1: black gang. I mean, they still have that bet, but
Speaker 1: it's not as active as it once was. But you know,
Speaker 1: for lack of better words, that gang just chose the
Speaker 1: wrong battle. What what what? What's crazy? Then you know
Speaker 1: they but but but let me say something. Let me
Speaker 1: say no, once you start a machine, it doesn't stop.
Speaker 1: And when you start seeing a lot of motherfucker's falling,
Speaker 1: then you start saying, Yo, these motherfucker's ain't playing. But
Speaker 1: let me let me say something. Something that is not
Speaker 1: known about eighteen streets. It's not one gang. It's a
Speaker 1: gang of gangs that operate under the same fame kind
Speaker 1: kind of the same federal guidelines. It's fair to say.
Speaker 1: It's like it'll be different states and in different federal guidelines.
Speaker 1: It's different different infantries for sure, like an army, I guess,
Speaker 1: so you can't be in different ran Hoover is you
Speaker 1: guys are off for like Original eighteen or and like
Speaker 1: Lynwood and like. But but the Hoovers is a great point.
Speaker 1: The Hoovers is the same kind of gang. There's multiple
Speaker 1: gangs that operate under this federal guideline of Hoover, but
Speaker 1: they all won they all different games. Yeah, because like
Speaker 1: so where he's from, it's totally different than on the
Speaker 1: other side of the Washington and Hoover or something like,
Speaker 1: or like if you start going to the west side,
Speaker 1: somewhere close to the four or five, it's totally not
Speaker 1: in day. Yeah, it's different. It's it's totally different, you know.
Speaker 1: But my passes are good there. I can't function there.
Speaker 1: But he don't even know the depth of that if
Speaker 1: we're not even talking about that part. But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it's just different. They have their own beat. There
Speaker 1: be are different. My rivals are different from every other
Speaker 1: eighteen set. It's like a crip. Like a crip. Every
Speaker 1: crip don't got the same rivals just where you're from.
Speaker 1: But but I think, I think, um, I think the
Speaker 1: moments right that have been celebrated in Mexican hip hop, right,
Speaker 1: the Kid Frost A lot of eyes all right, Um,
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't celebrate Kid Frost, but I get it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're missing the point of what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that I'm celebrating. We gotta write your own music in
Speaker 1: order for me to start. I'm not gonna do if
Speaker 1: nothing to that point. Cyrus Hill and they're kind of
Speaker 1: a blip, But there there's there anique is be real
Speaker 1: Mexican the Cuman. So you cub as long as you're
Speaker 1: not hook and you can be of the greater Latin
Speaker 1: x umbrella and surviving hip hop, it just can't specifically
Speaker 1: be Mexicans. Was almost come down to yeah, yeah in
Speaker 1: a way, because it's going on in l A, you know,
Speaker 1: because of the because of the scrimmagese that's going on
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. But I don't, I don't think. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I think when I think
Speaker 1: it still comes down to records. The record. Records is
Speaker 1: the one thing. Man, I've had great records here you go,
Speaker 1: it's not I've had records radios. But when I I'm
Speaker 1: not the motherfucking home studio, you know what fun that.
Speaker 1: I got a motherfucking problem with two point three not
Speaker 1: going to do this. Look, see, I had a motherfucking
Speaker 1: record on thirty five motherfucking markets. You know how hard
Speaker 1: that is to be an independent artist and have thirty
Speaker 1: five markets playing your record? Bro mix show. Secondary point
Speaker 1: being is I'm building I come all the way home
Speaker 1: after about nine months on the road to really doing
Speaker 1: this ship, and they ain't playing my motherfucking record. They
Speaker 1: won't even put me mix. So, yeah, man, I got
Speaker 1: a problem with that. I'm letting grief and just grieve
Speaker 1: right now, even though it was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: But you know, but but but the point is, I
Speaker 1: think records are the true barrier styles. I think records
Speaker 1: are the true barrier. I think we have celebrated enough
Speaker 1: records from people that you would never believe, like we
Speaker 1: celebrated Vanilla Ice in this culture before. Yeah, but those
Speaker 1: records were forced down your throat with a budget. We're
Speaker 1: not going to do that. We're not gonna front like
Speaker 1: Ice Ice Baby wasn't the ship. I'm not gonna even
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna even let you lie to the people
Speaker 1: out here this podcast, this is this is why, this
Speaker 1: is why, this is why all that. They don't want
Speaker 1: me to look, they don't want me to talk because
Speaker 1: I've been there. I know that, I know the plays,
Speaker 1: I know how the rex. So you're saying we didn't
Speaker 1: like Ice Ice Baby. I love the Ice the first
Speaker 1: day you heard it. Man, I'm just making sure you're
Speaker 1: just not gonna lie to people. What was it? Stop
Speaker 1: collaborate and listen. I really, I'm just making sure you
Speaker 1: you're not fronting on the nicenest of that record. No,
Speaker 1: never that the record is hard, but what this is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, right, I remember when hy was working
Speaker 1: to it and booted before he got the label signed.
Speaker 1: He went in there, boom, he got them to mix
Speaker 1: show at all that right, No, that that's not that's
Speaker 1: you're missing. They don't show that type of Mexican. That's
Speaker 1: not little can't make sure up there, that's not that's
Speaker 1: not totally transparent. Why that's true, It's not totally transparent.
Speaker 1: Hy G had the hottest record in Los Angeles, all
Speaker 1: the all the party everything. Everybody knew the record in
Speaker 1: the scene, first word to last word. That show happened.
Speaker 1: The same thing with Hot Dollar. I was there on
Speaker 1: Hot Dollar single, Got Cracking. She wasn't playing on radio
Speaker 1: like that until he until Jermaine to pre signed him.
Speaker 1: But he was already radio played because he was the
Speaker 1: j and the DJs were showing him that love. They're
Speaker 1: not going to do that to a Mexican. He's doing
Speaker 1: that again. You knew he was signed to fil You
Speaker 1: knew he had He wasn't signed that that he had
Speaker 1: to deal with Filly fail him if he had fairly
Speaker 1: failed him and fell fail was wording him. But they
Speaker 1: were really close, and that's where all he was. You
Speaker 1: didn't your head are really close. But but I'm saying
Speaker 1: relationships again, keyword is relationships, but keyword is relationship. But
Speaker 1: those relationships ain't available for Mexican. I totally disagree. It's
Speaker 1: not as many. Actually, in theory it should be more,
Speaker 1: because why isn't it Then you have no idea? Why
Speaker 1: you gotta tell me. It's a ton of Mexican people
Speaker 1: that work at the radio station. All of them. Shoot,
Speaker 1: every time I went up there, there was like, where's glasses?
Speaker 1: Is he coming with you? Yeah? But you got it.
Speaker 1: How many of you took lunch? A nice amount of
Speaker 1: you took the lunch, but not probably not that many,
Speaker 1: but took there you go like one or two. But
Speaker 1: trust me, there is a boys club mentality in this ship. Bro,
Speaker 1: you have to understand me. I can't. It's part he
Speaker 1: knows because he's in. He's in the end crowd of
Speaker 1: that Ship's partially true and partially not true. Just follow me.
Speaker 1: Rose the l a hip hop radio, the majority of
Speaker 1: the people on the microphones all day long, if they
Speaker 1: aren't Mexican, their Latino. The overwhelming majority of the listenership
Speaker 1: is if they're not Mexican, the Latino, probably eighty plus percent.
Speaker 1: If a song, what's the barrier? Because I'm sure that
Speaker 1: there are songs some artists that they are so big.
Speaker 1: The promotion and the availability of the outlets, it's what's
Speaker 1: hindering the progress. But it's it's gonna take longer for
Speaker 1: a record a word of out to get millions views
Speaker 1: opposed to you knowing this record has potential, it's starting
Speaker 1: to take off. Boom now we're playing it at mixed show,
Speaker 1: but boom now people are inviting you to a club
Speaker 1: to open up real quick. I've been in clubs were
Speaker 1: glasses before I was actually with him where he had
Speaker 1: to me the mic and I wrapped. So I've glasses
Speaker 1: giving me a lot of opportunity. And you know, he's
Speaker 1: synonymous for my career, believe it or not, right, but
Speaker 1: that's because he's always given me that type of opportunity.
Speaker 1: He's that type of artists, but artists ain't getting that
Speaker 1: type of treatment constantly. Where I come from, I'm a
Speaker 1: special type of artists in all honesty, who got certain
Speaker 1: attention from artists that was made that's not that's literally
Speaker 1: not sure I get. I get the concept a song
Speaker 1: that had Like when the song does it, it might
Speaker 1: take longer, a slower process, but if it hits critical
Speaker 1: mass among the Latin l A audience, it's got five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand, a million views whatever it is, does that
Speaker 1: not get on l A radio because you've got people
Speaker 1: right now. But I'm gonna tell you, people like King,
Speaker 1: they got videos with eighteen twenty million views and they're
Speaker 1: not getting played on radios. If you're playing that, you
Speaker 1: demand enough listenership to be able to not get but
Speaker 1: because because but no, it's not no, no, that's not
Speaker 1: that's not fair. So I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you that's not true. YouTube doesn't always translate into
Speaker 1: what you here, it's what you see. Does he have
Speaker 1: songs with twenty million spins on Spotify? That would be
Speaker 1: an argument if he has. If he has million, most
Speaker 1: of them are gonna be here. And that's enough to
Speaker 1: make Coca Cola pay for that turn. You have to
Speaker 1: do some incredible ship for them to funk with you
Speaker 1: like that. Bro, that's not cap capture You got love,
Speaker 1: You got loved because Capy has a black team that
Speaker 1: can make it through them doors that we can. And
Speaker 1: this is his demo. But cat G doesn't have a
Speaker 1: record bigger than the Summer Nights. No, but he had
Speaker 1: a big record that that girlfriend record was big. A
Speaker 1: was not big in the Summer Nights. And but this
Speaker 1: is his demo, so obviously this is where they're gonna
Speaker 1: play it. But you have to have them. That's why
Speaker 1: I say every time when people say, how did your
Speaker 1: radio runs go? The first thing people would tell me
Speaker 1: is where his glasses? But but that's but that's only
Speaker 1: because and I'd be like, well, he's not here, but
Speaker 1: you know he's behind me. But but but that's also
Speaker 1: that's tricky, right, And they want that coat sign, they
Speaker 1: want you feel me. Yes, that can help. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying all of these things don't help, right, But what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is as a Mexican rapper, as a Mexican
Speaker 1: hip hop artist, the demo is yours. And I think
Speaker 1: what you're what you're kind of conceding is well, the
Speaker 1: people in between us is making it too. I can't
Speaker 1: get to them. That is impossible. It's impossible because those
Speaker 1: people are right on the other side of them. You
Speaker 1: don't need these people in the middle to get to
Speaker 1: those with a faster process. But because I can get
Speaker 1: to my demo, but I'm on the corner passing ship
Speaker 1: out daily, busting my ass opposed to Foully foul ringing
Speaker 1: the battle on my ship. That sucking. But three o'clock
Speaker 1: now the whole fucking cities listening to Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: still think that's still not the situation, right, I still
Speaker 1: think that you're saying. I don't have the conveniance of
Speaker 1: making it easier. Well, because the people, the people believe
Speaker 1: what the powers that be tell them to believe. Nobody
Speaker 1: could tell no one's gonna believe I'm a rapper handing you,
Speaker 1: You're like, you're not gonna Hey, yo, I'm the hottest
Speaker 1: ship in l A. Take my c D. No, they're
Speaker 1: not gonna believe me. But the way to fort Foully
Speaker 1: Foul to say any means it's the hottest ship in
Speaker 1: l A. This is his record Boom Jake Cruz, whoever
Speaker 1: in the Yeah. But because I don't give a funk
Speaker 1: about radio at this point, but they don't. But they
Speaker 1: don't have to say that for you to be the
Speaker 1: hottest ship. Does listen? You could be the hottest ship.
Speaker 1: If djr Head gets on ninety two point three right now, Head,
Speaker 1: I'd love you. It says you know, any means it's
Speaker 1: the hottest ship. Follow that motherfucker. They're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I bet you wouldn't get a thousand followers. I just
Speaker 1: seen him fucking talk to UH Music exact last night,
Speaker 1: talking about I need you to do this email. I
Speaker 1: bet you. I bet you if he got on the
Speaker 1: radio and ship happened. I bet you if he got
Speaker 1: on the radio and said any means it is the
Speaker 1: hottest artists follow him, you wouldn't get a thousand followers.
Speaker 1: I bet you I would. What you want to bet?
Speaker 1: You know why? I would? Because I would take that
Speaker 1: fucking clip and I put it on my social I
Speaker 1: bet you wouldn't get that running and everybody would see it.
Speaker 1: And I guarantee you that would give me more than
Speaker 1: a thousand followers. I bet you so. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: that's beat My biggest My biggest record to day is
Speaker 1: with Glasses wherever you want to eat. I got big records,
Speaker 1: but we can make it fun. It's with him summertimes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's not but you're not. Also, this is the thing,
Speaker 1: right because they want that co sign, they want to
Speaker 1: believe your famous. The only believe your famous if you're
Speaker 1: with famous people, the co sign is easier. You don't
Speaker 1: need the co sign it and you don't need radio
Speaker 1: to get to people, and you don't need other like
Speaker 1: this is the thing. I'm not saying you don't need
Speaker 1: a mass distribution. That's not true. And I understand traditionally
Speaker 1: in place, right, And this is something I had to
Speaker 1: break myself of thinking, like I just was talking to
Speaker 1: this little dude on Instagram about it right now. Too
Speaker 1: many times we're on autopilot, we're taking routes right that
Speaker 1: planes that flew before, and we just resting back in
Speaker 1: the plane and getting mad because the plane is not
Speaker 1: doing what we wanted to do well because we're trying
Speaker 1: to take a route that somebody else has already took.
Speaker 1: That's how autopilot work, right, So what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: grab the wheel, turn off the switches, and fly the plane.
Speaker 1: Just created my own career, though that's that's not what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Obviously, right, we wouldn't be in his room.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying to you is right, is there's
Speaker 1: more ways to get to the Mexican demographic of people
Speaker 1: who want to hear Mexican hip hop from a Mexican
Speaker 1: rapper then Fairly Failed, then DJ Head, then Big Boy
Speaker 1: than anybody, right, So you have to figure out your
Speaker 1: job is to figure out how to get this idea
Speaker 1: to millions of those people. It's part of the puzzle
Speaker 1: bro not part of the traditional sense. It's part of
Speaker 1: the puzzle. You get what I'm saying. Let me let
Speaker 1: me give you a great example. Right, White Lightning was
Speaker 1: the ship, but it wasn't popping until Game got involved.
Speaker 1: That's when it became real, right glasses, Um well I
Speaker 1: was real. I was always with him the whole time. Okay,
Speaker 1: But but but point proving that. But I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you the point why it's point proving because there's four
Speaker 1: other artists around that time that didn't have what I
Speaker 1: had and it didn't work out for them as well.
Speaker 1: Who Black Friday at the time be flying at the time.
Speaker 1: It's about three or four different people life at the time.
Speaker 1: People I don't come on, it's not it's not but
Speaker 1: it's not. But it's not about the white men. Don't
Speaker 1: do that. Listen. I'm talking about game, game that put
Speaker 1: together groups, Game had tech, crooked game. There's already somebody
Speaker 1: though Eastwood Tech was already somebody was already somebody. But
Speaker 1: you're missing the point of what I'm saying. And how
Speaker 1: did they get on Sugar Knight? But co signed? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're not on. Like if I call it all
Speaker 1: right now, he wouldn't they were on. He's what would
Speaker 1: never believe he's on. He'd be like, y'all making a living.
Speaker 1: Tech would believe I'm making living. They're not like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're like, we're what we should know, artists, the pretty on,
Speaker 1: let's be on. You know, people may bad, bad, bad
Speaker 1: decisions with the wealth and all that. That's something totally No,
Speaker 1: I believe if you asked them that, they'll tell you
Speaker 1: that the people in power didn't believe in him. If
Speaker 1: right now, if we call, if we call Hill cover
Speaker 1: but fucking double X out magazine. But he still would
Speaker 1: tell one that's considered a legendary cover. But I'm sure
Speaker 1: he still would tell you. You're telling me that ain'tn opportunity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you exposure, what you're exposing is more
Speaker 1: than the exposure. Well, okay, see that's that's where that's
Speaker 1: where you separate the big boys from the little boys.
Speaker 1: Exposure talent takes you the rest where you need to go.
Speaker 1: You need to have that exposure in order for your
Speaker 1: talent to take you where you need to go. No,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, talent talent, wille what I'm saying, listen,
Speaker 1: talent talent. Let me tell you all the difference, right,
Speaker 1: talent could sit out in the corner front of the
Speaker 1: liquor store and make a living. No, it can't. Yes
Speaker 1: you can you literally if you can play the piano
Speaker 1: and sing. If you're super talented what you do, you'll
Speaker 1: make a living in front of the liquor Sture hints
Speaker 1: quotation super yeah. I think that's the thing is, it's
Speaker 1: not the the exemplary case. It's the aggregate median case
Speaker 1: exactly that he's trying to get across. Because the top
Speaker 1: one in a thousand is going to be the top
Speaker 1: one in a thousand. But if it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be top one of a thousand to get on, and
Speaker 1: it's you, it has to be typed one thousand, get
Speaker 1: on ast him, I asked his point. But but I'm
Speaker 1: telling you that the reason that is is because if
Speaker 1: you're depending on an old system to get you to
Speaker 1: the public. Well, I mean, at this point I'm not
Speaker 1: I mean not obviously, but we're not talking. What I'm
Speaker 1: still asking for is equality in the game. Right, So
Speaker 1: what I mean by equality is I mean all hip hop. Um.
Speaker 1: They've they've supported me throughout the years, they've really supported me, um,
Speaker 1: But why haven't they supported other Mexican rappers, how many
Speaker 1: are reaching out with a publicist? Like? How many? How many?
Speaker 1: How many people have their business together? Like I would
Speaker 1: have to talk to see a g Z. I would
Speaker 1: have to talk to some of these dudes and say, hey,
Speaker 1: are your publishers doing your work? How? I don't think
Speaker 1: they have publicis So at that point, if you don't
Speaker 1: have a professional set up right, you're not gonna invest
Speaker 1: in yourself. How something else can invest in you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you you gotta understand too. Um, They're they're in
Speaker 1: a position to where they don't necessarily need the publicist
Speaker 1: because they're generating so much attention. So that's where the
Speaker 1: system is broken too, because nobody's reaching out for that ground,
Speaker 1: that grassroot talent. No more. It ain't about finding the
Speaker 1: diamonds anymore, you feel what I'm saying. And that's like
Speaker 1: I said, as long as there's an equal platform, I'm
Speaker 1: cool with it because I know motherfucker's is gonna sink
Speaker 1: and they're gonna swim, and only there's only a field
Speaker 1: of us that are really gonna make it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Because I've been in this game with
Speaker 1: a lot of dudes that are not here no more,
Speaker 1: but I am so you know. That's all I say
Speaker 1: is give everybody a fair opportunity. But the same way
Speaker 1: you're putting everybody else, put them there and let them
Speaker 1: far where they may question for the room. Whoever like
Speaker 1: Z most can't miss? Who gives a funk about the
Speaker 1: price tag DJ producer right now in the game if this,
Speaker 1: if you're on this guy's beat, that's all you need
Speaker 1: in life, perfect example, right, No mean to cut you.
Speaker 1: I I introduced head to an artist named Bella that's
Speaker 1: a Mexican artist in l A right now. She's a
Speaker 1: young female and she's doing millions of views by herself. Right,
Speaker 1: had shared her profile and boom opportunity. Not not saying
Speaker 1: the opportunity wasn't already coming, but it just enhanced the opportunities.
Speaker 1: More people are watching, more people hold up, who's that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But what's because that's somebody would notoriety. But what's the
Speaker 1: value in Head sharing it? It had to have an opportunity,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. What's the value for him
Speaker 1: being being supporting grassroot Los Angeles music? Reaching out? I
Speaker 1: was reaching out to it. It's expanding his audience space exactly.
Speaker 1: So So the point is, but I don't I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think I know. I don't
Speaker 1: think he operates like that. I think he likes what
Speaker 1: he likes and he's pretty sharp what wants. But that
Speaker 1: it's it's, it's it's true in both things. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's certain things like, hey, if he don't
Speaker 1: like the music, he's not gonna suck what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: but there there's a benefit, and also sharing somebody that's dope, right,
Speaker 1: or sharing somebody that's popular, right. So I think he
Speaker 1: does a really good job of sharing everybody. I think
Speaker 1: he'll funk with anybody if he's aware of it. He
Speaker 1: just not aware of it. In your situation, you've done homegrown, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. The awareness needs to be the same
Speaker 1: way they're aware of Blasts before he was blast, The
Speaker 1: same way they're aware of you know, fucking Westside Boogie
Speaker 1: or whatever his name before anybody was aware of him.
Speaker 1: Is the same way they should be aware of Ballad.
Speaker 1: They should be aware of C and G. They should
Speaker 1: be aware of any means that's not where the people
Speaker 1: that are making noise in that corner of the of
Speaker 1: the city. But but that but that's my point. That's
Speaker 1: not their responsibility really is though, if you're a tastemaker
Speaker 1: and you're breaking the music. But I think that's how
Speaker 1: you look at them, even if they that's the way
Speaker 1: it should be. Yeah, but even if they want to
Speaker 1: claim it, that's not real. Like you're not aware of
Speaker 1: everything going on. You're not like you know, uh, what
Speaker 1: is the word I'm looking for. You're not omnipotent. Your
Speaker 1: your awareness is not everywhere at once, right, you have
Speaker 1: to kind of the awareness has to be brought to you. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if I'm gonna be honest with you,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna use the word gatekeeper, then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: hold you accountable for being the gatekeeper and and and properly.
Speaker 1: If I was the gatekeeper, I will be in every
Speaker 1: fucking hood. But none of these guys would be in
Speaker 1: the Leaso Village. I'd be in motherfucking you know, Jordan Down,
Speaker 1: I'd be but none of you. For the talent, but
Speaker 1: none of these guys are truly gatekeepers. That's just an
Speaker 1: overstated thing. A gate is a special thing. Like you're
Speaker 1: not in the game because he had stamps. You It
Speaker 1: literally means you literally have another step up. You took
Speaker 1: another step up on the ladder. It's a far ladder
Speaker 1: to get to the gate where you walk in and
Speaker 1: you're in the gate. Well, we could use somebody else
Speaker 1: for then we could use Charisma for example. Right, so
Speaker 1: you don't think Charisma does a good job of breaking
Speaker 1: Mexican artists or like or never never seen her do it?
Speaker 1: And tell me right now Charisma broke that's a Mexican artist. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think that's fair broke any
Speaker 1: Mexican rapper. I'm sure she played King Logi early. I
Speaker 1: remember playing King Logi early. Um, she complaining, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: but again, you have to have records that are working.
Speaker 1: If your records aren't working is different. Who's the who
Speaker 1: you know? Most? Can't misproducer in all of hip hop
Speaker 1: in America anywhere? Right here and now? Must could Could
Speaker 1: a Mexican rapper get Muster to do a great track
Speaker 1: for him? But yeah, we probably with a million dollar budget. Okay,
Speaker 1: he don't eat that much money, probably got spent he
Speaker 1: would do. I guarantee you if I can't right now
Speaker 1: with Tan ground and I said, glasses take me to much.
Speaker 1: Tim ain't gonna get it done. No budget, no budget budget,
Speaker 1: no damn wild Glasses, says your mustard. I got tan
Speaker 1: right here. He's gonna be like what you're doing the record.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you the truth. I wouldn't play me to
Speaker 1: Gold right now. I wouldn't playing with him. I at
Speaker 1: least have to go seeing with a dub Ski do
Speaker 1: he probably getting thirty forty? Bro if he lays down
Speaker 1: a like a great like and that artist. This is
Speaker 1: something this is something me him debate about and we
Speaker 1: have historically. Right is the music scene is different, like
Speaker 1: the cultural scene is different, Like it matters like how
Speaker 1: this person makes music. I guess the reason that Fingers
Speaker 1: has been more successful than any black artist, be any
Speaker 1: black producer with Mexican hip hop artists, Fingers understands a
Speaker 1: little bit more sonically of what has to happen on
Speaker 1: these records because you still grooming music. Like when somebody
Speaker 1: like I like, if a Mexican person listens to a
Speaker 1: black artist, they're listening for something specifically. They're not just
Speaker 1: listening to hear some ship that sounds like fucking Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 1: They're listen to Frank Sinatra. For Franks, not so when
Speaker 1: they're listening to Uh. If you're listening, if we're listening
Speaker 1: to a parliament, we know what we're listening for. If
Speaker 1: you're listening for Kendrick Lamar, you know what you're listening for.
Speaker 1: The thing is we come to Black artists or we
Speaker 1: come to Mexican artists for different things. That's the reality
Speaker 1: of it. We can't say we come to Wrap to
Speaker 1: Rap because I'm not coming to him and them the
Speaker 1: same reason I'm going to Snoop Dog. I don't give
Speaker 1: a father. They both wrapped. I want something different from
Speaker 1: them than I want from Dog. So then that's the point.
Speaker 1: Back to the music, right, the music needs to reflect
Speaker 1: cultural aspects that could connect to the listener. Son, But
Speaker 1: this is where I think the all it is, and
Speaker 1: this is why I think he's saying in the Nutsha
Speaker 1: He's like, well, in theory, a Mexican song should be
Speaker 1: able to be as enjoyed by a Black artists from
Speaker 1: the first day. And I'm like, that might not make
Speaker 1: sense when you think about it. It should be true
Speaker 1: in humanity, but because human beings are not the same culturally,
Speaker 1: then that can't be the same. I'm just not going
Speaker 1: to for Mexican food. I'm not going to any brother
Speaker 1: before I'm going to King Tako. It's just not I'm
Speaker 1: just not going there because when I want the flavor, no,
Speaker 1: and I get that. And when I want the flavor,
Speaker 1: I want the flavor, I get that. And that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily what I'm saying. Um, I'm saying that I make. Okay, look,
Speaker 1: I make I make hip hop that appeals to Mexican people.
Speaker 1: I do that purposely because that's my demo and that's
Speaker 1: who I served whole or a curse. No, No, no,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not true. Hold up, that's a trick.
Speaker 1: He tricking. That's a trick question my question. No, this
Speaker 1: is the trick question that No, what he said right
Speaker 1: now is a trick statement. That's not totally sincere. Who
Speaker 1: makes the most commercially successful hip hop for Mexican artists?
Speaker 1: What producer of all time? Fingers? How many records you
Speaker 1: got with it? I got one record with fingers? How
Speaker 1: many records you got? I got a lot of records.
Speaker 1: How if you had to roughly just guessed it, four
Speaker 1: hundred niggah, you got more than four reds? Okay, well
Speaker 1: published records about four hundred, I don't know, maybe a thousand.
Speaker 1: So out of all of the motherfucker's records, he got
Speaker 1: the one who has had the most success with Mexican
Speaker 1: hip hop. He has one with that's the problem. Well,
Speaker 1: because he had he had, he had success in a time,
Speaker 1: in a place and time. He's the only person with
Speaker 1: success in in that Pacific time. He hasn't had anything
Speaker 1: in years exactly, He's the only one with success. My
Speaker 1: biggest record was produced by fun Can Muggs. What Mugs
Speaker 1: Muggs with Mexican hip hop? Up? But oh yeah? Or
Speaker 1: would it be no? He does? He does, He's the
Speaker 1: biggest that's the question. So then how many records you
Speaker 1: got with Muggs. I don't have any connection with Muggs.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. So it starts right there first, right,
Speaker 1: it starts right there. So this is some Styles I
Speaker 1: got for you. Because so Styles also is a publicist.
Speaker 1: Super Ill got a podcast. We'll be doing this ship
Speaker 1: all that right here, he goes, right, Damn, I lost
Speaker 1: my thought. He was gonna say, but that he needs
Speaker 1: to give me a record by Mugs. We definitely, you
Speaker 1: definitely need to record for Mugs okay me up again.
Speaker 1: I had it. I had it because, um, does the
Speaker 1: fact that you make music for a Mexican hip hop
Speaker 1: market to some degree play into the fact it it's
Speaker 1: hard to get out of a Mexican hip hop market.
Speaker 1: Not because because my music is probably the personification of
Speaker 1: crossover at this point, so perfect Yeah sure, um you
Speaker 1: know yeah, crack, rock, bounce and so because because I
Speaker 1: I did them all Mulke, I got it, I got it.
Speaker 1: So here it is right right now. You're from New
Speaker 1: York styles and you're a producer. I mean, you have
Speaker 1: an artist that you want to work with and this
Speaker 1: Artists like man, I need to go get produced. I
Speaker 1: need to get production from a really great producer. But
Speaker 1: there's no modern version of that. You're just gonna say,
Speaker 1: don't go work with Puff. You're gonna say, don't go
Speaker 1: work with Swiss Beats. You're gonna say, don't go work
Speaker 1: with Jess Blaze right now. For you from not gonna
Speaker 1: go to them for what I need right now, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if you're a New York artist right now, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: go to Jes Blaze, Swiss Beats and fucking Puff. If
Speaker 1: you're a Miami artist, You're gonna go to Cool and Dre. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm saying I'm just being honest. I'm not honest.
Speaker 1: I mean, logically, it sounds like you would go to them,
Speaker 1: but I probably try to go to the person stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that guy's not from New York. But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that New York. But but I think, I think,
Speaker 1: I think that's popping all over because his passing became
Speaker 1: to Hitmaker. I will go to hitmaker makers lost Hitman
Speaker 1: makers based on that lay. But that's that's the mistake
Speaker 1: artists of making. And that's the point I asked the
Speaker 1: que in reality I could do with hitmakers doing because
Speaker 1: I've did it before. Like all, he's doing the sampling
Speaker 1: records from the night, but that and and that's don't
Speaker 1: shout out the burd because he is getting busy, he's
Speaker 1: getting dope. So but but what I'm stupid. But what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that's the mistake we're all making. So
Speaker 1: I could see if you thought that on the West,
Speaker 1: because we do have Mustard, we do have hit Boy.
Speaker 1: But if you're on the East, there is no Mustard
Speaker 1: of the East. Right now, there is no hit Boy
Speaker 1: of the East. They're gonna take that motherfucking playing flight.
Speaker 1: They're gonna come over and get with him. So why
Speaker 1: would you not go to Swiss Beats Because Swiss just
Speaker 1: doesn't understand the climate of the game right now. The
Speaker 1: game hasn't changed to hit record right now. You missed
Speaker 1: because people are not does not have a hit record
Speaker 1: because people are not going to Swiss be because they
Speaker 1: know he's not delivering what they need. That's a lot.
Speaker 1: He hasn't showed me his missus. When was the last
Speaker 1: time he put out a record as also, I mean,
Speaker 1: how available are they? They ain't doing ain't like they're
Speaker 1: doing nothing else. Yeah, yeah, that's a big statement. Not
Speaker 1: like we could knock on the door and say, hey Swiss,
Speaker 1: it's not that hard to catch bro. Instagram and Twitter,
Speaker 1: you could tweet Swiss. I mean, Bro, but that's a
Speaker 1: needle in the haystack at Oh no, no, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's a lot. You should you should, man, bro Okay,
Speaker 1: like shout out the Hood right um, And this is
Speaker 1: somebody that I like the shout out to shout out
Speaker 1: the Hood. I love his music. I always loved his music.
Speaker 1: We're collaborating he's coming down. But you know, when I
Speaker 1: first reached out to him, he was like, Yo, what up?
Speaker 1: Like a little sound office because of the way I look,
Speaker 1: you feel me? But sure, because because all he heard
Speaker 1: is that this acholo can be a threat. But you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's not as easy as
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. But but it doesn't matter. If it's easy, right,
Speaker 1: you have to go get it. I think hip hop
Speaker 1: is making a huge mistake it bro, but no, but
Speaker 1: that's not you listen. I think hip hop is making
Speaker 1: a huge mistake all aspects of it, all subcultures of it,
Speaker 1: right by turning our back on the successful. Now, I
Speaker 1: get it, if you're on the West, I don't agree
Speaker 1: with it. I think right now, why you can go
Speaker 1: to Battle Can and get a hit record? I bet
Speaker 1: my last nime on it. Yeah, I mean I believe
Speaker 1: that because that's what you're taught about. I believe Uh
Speaker 1: Tiger can go to Dr Dre and get a hit
Speaker 1: record today. Well, because you know we're our OURVPN system
Speaker 1: is different from there. But I mean, mindest that I'm saying,
Speaker 1: even though we have mustered me hit boy right now
Speaker 1: and Blast starting to preserve the culture and move the
Speaker 1: culture to the next phase of it. Right. But it's
Speaker 1: no different than when snooping them right, and they went
Speaker 1: and they just flipped, uh the dramatics and had Ryn
Speaker 1: Banks and them come sing on Dolly Dog World. It's
Speaker 1: it's really just Ryn Banks. I mean, it's really just
Speaker 1: the dramatics. It's not crazy like I think we're making
Speaker 1: a mistake. And I'm saying this is important that Mexican
Speaker 1: hip hop because open your door, Mustard. I'm coming to over,
Speaker 1: not Mustard. It's not Mustard's fingers man fingers fingers is
Speaker 1: like doing some Disney ship last I heard that. That
Speaker 1: don't change that. He still got it. I got something
Speaker 1: from him right now? Do you play for me? See
Speaker 1: this different though, see glasses heat like he like, you know,
Speaker 1: he got a lot of connections, and he's like, not,
Speaker 1: it's not connection. You know, I just got in first
Speaker 1: some games. You ain't go with you. That's not he
Speaker 1: missed the whole point. See you see how I did
Speaker 1: that stuff. I'm done. I don't know. I'm done. Matter
Speaker 1: of fact, guy, I need my verse from you.