1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,759 Speaker 1: Hi, I am Scott and I'm Ben and we're from 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Car Stuff. We're the podcast that covers everything that floats, flies, swims, 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: or drives, adventures, thrills, chills literally, planes, trains and automobiles. 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: That's right, And you can find all of our episodes 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: on Google Play, Spotify, iTunes, and really anywhere else you 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: get your podcast. From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 9 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. Hi, 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: I'm Null and I'm Ben. You are you, and if 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: you are listening to this show, then hopefully you are 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: not Terra cita bassa. We'll get to it today. We're 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: going to talk about cry. Every once in a while 14 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: we do a show about criminal behavior, whether that's financial corruption, 15 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: whether that's a grizzly series of unssolved murders. Um. But 16 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: we're talking today not about a type of crime, but 17 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: a very specific crime, a tale of murder and on 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: some level, justice, perhaps justice from beyond the grave. Grave Man, 19 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: how many times I have to tell you I can 20 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: do that in post you don't have to do your 21 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: own effects. I know, I just like it. So our 22 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: story begins in Chicago, nineteen seventy seven with a forty 23 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: seven year old respiratory therapist named Terra Sita Bossa. Now 24 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: now she was from the Philippines. She was well regarded 25 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: by our neighbors. Her her neighbors liked her. She was 26 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: fluent into glic and she was employed at a place 27 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: called the Edgewater Hospital in Chicago, which is at this 28 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: time closed. On February twenty one, nineteen seventy seven, firefighter 29 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: arrived at Tara Cita's home, which was Apartment fifteen B 30 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: on the fifteenth floor of North Pine Grove Avenue, where 31 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: they discovered her corpse. Her corpse had been burned and 32 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: likely defiled. Kitchen knife protruded from her chest. It was 33 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: one of the knives that she had owned while she 34 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: was alive. Someone had thrown her mattress on top of 35 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: her and you know, attempted to burn the evidence. As 36 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: homicides to go, this case was particularly horrific. There were 37 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: no leads and after a few months the case went cold. 38 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: And while this is unfortunate, it's also disturbingly common. You know, guys, 39 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: let's pause for a second from this story and and 40 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: take a look at some of the statistics involving homicides 41 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: so we can get a better get a better grasp 42 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: of this. One of the things that will find when 43 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: we look at statistics for murders, you know, identified homicides, 44 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: is that there are a lot of qualifications and members 45 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: of the same government sometimes don't always agree on the numbers. 46 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: For example, the Bureau of Justice, which is an arm 47 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: of the Department of Justice here in the US, has 48 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: a nuanced definition, very precise definition of homicide, and that 49 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: would include murder and non negligent manslaughter, which is the 50 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: wilful killing of one human being by another right. But 51 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: the data is based solely on police investigation as opposed 52 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: to the determination of a court or a medical examiner, 53 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: a coroner, or another judicial body. So if there's a 54 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: suspect death and then there's a trial later and they 55 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: say and the cops didn't think it was a murder, 56 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: but a jury does rule something that says that, then 57 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: it still doesn't count. So it also excludes some deaths, 58 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: and some of those are deaths caused by negligence, suicide 59 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 1: side or accident justifiable homicide seems like a miss number 60 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: since it actually has the word homicide in it, But 61 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: I digress and attempts of murder right, and justify it 62 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: carries its own Yeah, and justifiable homicides are based on 63 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: law enforcement agency reports, and that's a whole another episode. 64 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: Interesting side note here, deaths from the terrorist attacks on 65 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: September eleventh, two thousand one are specifically not included in 66 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: the analyzes. And that's a that's just an example of 67 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: the sort of definition that will look at here. But 68 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: good news because according is not just the Bureau of Justice, 69 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: but also to other reporting agencies. Despite what you might 70 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: hear on your local mainstream news, uh and all the 71 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: terrible things well here on the radio, it turns out 72 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: that murder is actually declining. Yeah, that is an extremely 73 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: surprising thing to hear, especially after these past couple of 74 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: weeks of the two conventions for our primary parties, and 75 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of scare scare stuff going on, right, 76 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: And then you look at the actual statistics and you 77 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: see that the homicide rate in the US has declined 78 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: by nearly half, from nine point three homicides per one 79 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: hundred thousand residents in nine to four point seven out 80 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: of one hundred thousand in two thousand eleven. That's the 81 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: lowest level since nineteen sixty three. But as we said, 82 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: not all of the sources will agree. So if we 83 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: look to the FBI, we find their handibook Crime in 84 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: the United States, and they they found some interesting numbers 85 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: from fourteen. Yeah, they found that there were an estimated 86 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,119 Speaker 1: one million, one sixty five thousand, three hundred and eighty 87 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: three violent crimes, which would consist of murder and non 88 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: negligent homicides, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults. These statistics were 89 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: called from various law enforcement agencies and that's that's pulling 90 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: in a whole lot of different crimes, right. Um. So yeah, 91 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: like you said, Ben, when looking at these different sources 92 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: that are trying to keep good statistics on all of 93 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: this stuff and good numbers, it gets money. Yeah, But 94 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: but there's more here. Many of these homicides that occur 95 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: do go unsolved. Sadly. We've got a great quote from 96 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: a article in the Economists on this America's homicide clearance rate. 97 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: The percentage of solved crimes that lead to arrest has 98 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: fallen considerably in the past fifty years, from around in 99 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: nine two around six. According to federal statistics, this means 100 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: more than two hundred and eleven thousand homicides committed since 101 00:06:53,640 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty remain unsolved. Every year introduces nearly five thousand more. 102 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: So journey Back with US Ladies and Gentlemen to Chicago 103 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 1: in nineventy seven. According to the sources you check, whether 104 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: it's maybe a compilation from the Tribune or municipal compilation, 105 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: you'll find that there were between eight hundred and twenty 106 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: three to eleven hundred and nine documented homicides in the 107 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: city in that year alone. Terrace to Bassa was, by 108 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: all accounts, set to remain a tragically unsolved crime, at 109 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: least that is until her ghost returned and hunted down 110 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: her murderer. But first a word from our sponsor, So 111 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: we left you with a bit of a cliffhanger there. 112 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: We mentioned that possibly the ghost of terror c to Bassa, 113 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: came back from the grave and got a little revenge. 114 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: According to the story, several months after the murder, the 115 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: detective Joe Statula, he received a lead from the Evanston 116 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: Police Department nearby, and they instructed him to contact Dr 117 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: jose Chua. Uh seems random on on the detective's end like, Okay, 118 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: I guess we'll go see this person. Well, apparently Jose 119 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: Chua's wife, remibios Remi Chua, claimed to be possessed by 120 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: Tarasee to Bassa's spirit. That's that's a weird call to 121 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: get right, sitting in the police department, Hey, you need 122 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: to go talk to this lady. She's possessed by the 123 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: spirit of your victim. So, according to Dr Chua, his 124 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: wife had actually begun entering into these trances, these trance states, 125 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: and while she was in them, she would speak and 126 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: claim to be the ghost of Tarasee to Bassa. According 127 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: to the original Chicago Tribune stories that were written about this, 128 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: he goes into detail about um laying on the bed 129 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: and just speaking and he was he would just go 130 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: up through her and I mean, you can imagine going, 131 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: what are you doing as a doctor, Like you're going 132 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: to be skeptical, right, what is happening to my wife? Right? 133 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: That's that's a reasonable thing. That's an assumption most of 134 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: us would make. We do not naturally live in horror movies. 135 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: So Dr Chua's wife were arguably the ghost of Terresee 136 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: to Bassa named the murderer given name to this murder, 137 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: and that name was Alan Showery or Showery, And the 138 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: doctor still, you know, of course, was not convinced these 139 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: are not very specific things, so he still cautiously looked 140 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: into it. And turns out, according to the story, there 141 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: was an Alan Showy in Chicago. He was also an 142 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: employee at Edgewater Hospital, and it seemed that he had 143 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: visited Terra Cita's home on the pretense of repairing either 144 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: a television set or an electrical problem. Additionally, the voice 145 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: claimed that Showery had taken jewelry from the deceased and 146 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: given it to his girlfriend. The jewelry, the voice continued, 147 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 1: could be identified by several individuals, and it named those individuals. 148 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: Despite the extraordinarily unorthodox nature of the lead, detectives found, Yeah, 149 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: there really was this Alan Showery working there. He was 150 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: a thirty two year old orderly So they visited his 151 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: home and they found that he did have a girlfriend 152 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: and he lived with her. And upon investigation, they found 153 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: boss's jewelry in the possession of this girlfriend. So Alan 154 00:10:53,679 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: Showery was arrested on August eleven, so initially Showery confess, 155 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: but then you were canted his confession saying he was 156 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: coerced into confessing because of police threats to jail his 157 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: pregnant common law wife as an accessory. And this means 158 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: that the first attempt at convention ended in a mistrial. 159 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: But eventually he was convicted and he was sentenced to 160 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: I think fourteen years for the murder itself, and then 161 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: a couple other consecutive sentences of four years for the murder, 162 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: arson and robbery it was. It was nearly twenty years altogether, right, 163 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: He served less than five of that and was released 164 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: in ninety three, which means Mr Showery, you may well 165 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: be listening to this podcast today, and if you are, 166 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: I would love some clarity on this because everything we've 167 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: researched on this, you know, it's it's images of papers 168 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,239 Speaker 1: from the nineteen seventies, it's people in the nineteen nineties 169 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: talking about the unsolved mysteries. You know movie that came out. 170 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: There was an Unsolved Mysteries movie that came out about 171 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: this case. We'd love to hear directly from you if 172 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: you're listening a case of possession, if that is the 173 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: story is true. As Matt mentioned earlier, the original reports 174 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: come from the Chicago Tribune, which is which is a 175 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: respected paper, but the story itself has several holes. First, 176 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: remedia Chua was also an employee at the hospital and 177 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: may have used the claim of possession as sort of 178 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: a safety net to bring Showery to justice. Um, this 179 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: is a biggie because it's very very plausible that Chua 180 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: had other information that was not made available to law 181 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: enforcement through official channels. She also, though, like Tera Sita, 182 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: spoke to golog And in this This to me is 183 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: fairly plausible, This idea that somehow or another, Ms Chua 184 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: had information about what had happened. Maybe she had been 185 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: speaking um with miss Bassa about who knows whatever was 186 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: going on between the two Alan Showery and Da Bassa, 187 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: and knew something that she wanted to get justice, but 188 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: she didn't know how to do it, and she was 189 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: afraid maybe of this guy. I'm this makes a lot 190 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: of sense. Not that I am poo pooing the idea 191 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: that she was actually possessed. I don't know. I have 192 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: no evidence either way of this, but that makes sense 193 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: to me. And there's also another option here, that the 194 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: police may have assisted in fabricating this story or at 195 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: least played along with it in order to obtain what 196 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: they needed to make the arrest. So in the case 197 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: of catching a murderer, could we blame them for bending 198 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: the circumstances a bit because it is quite possible. Unfortunately, 199 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: in the legal system, it's quite possible to have inadmissible 200 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: proof that someone committed a crime, and because the proof 201 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: is inadmissible, be unable to prosecute them or bring justice 202 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: for the family. Right knowing for sure it you can't 203 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: do anything. And this goes into a larger concept here 204 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: to psychic powers applied to law enforcement. In itself, it's 205 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: problematic because we've always seen the troops who've always heard 206 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: the stories of claimed success right where there's a cold 207 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: case and often something grizzly if it's fiction, like a 208 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: child murderer or whatnot, and a medium or a psychic 209 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: is able to, based on their impressions, arrive at information 210 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: that could not be found any other way. But are 211 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: they doing this or they just confirming stuff investigators already 212 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: knew but was somehow inadmissible. You know, in the case 213 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: of Tersea Boss, it does seem that justice was ultimately 214 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: served at the killer was legally convicted, we can call 215 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: him mcgillar. But was this by a ghost or was 216 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: this by bending the rules of an e instigation. I'll 217 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, the uh, the shield or the wire or 218 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: any of those other crime shows. Yeah, it feels like 219 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: a slippery slope to me. I haven't heard. I can't 220 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: think in my head of a case that used a 221 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: psychic to get a conviction in the recent past. And 222 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: maybe that should be just because I'm not looking for it. 223 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: You know, I haven't seen it pop up on any 224 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: of my news threads that I subscribe to. Perhaps that's it. Um, 225 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that it's happening with much frequency. That's 226 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: an excellent point. And this brings us to another thing 227 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: of For those of you listening who are involved in 228 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: law enforcement, I'd like to hear your your thoughts on this. 229 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: There's a phenomenon that I've heard occurs, which is that 230 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: sometimes when a crime or the hunt for a criminal 231 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: gets too much recognition in the public, precincts become inundated 232 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: with people who are alleging that they have inside knowledge 233 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: of it, or that they committed the crime or that 234 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: they have received information about the crime in a dream 235 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: or in a trance or some spiritual revelation, and this, 236 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, this is depicted sometimes in fiction, but it 237 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: does actually happen, maybe not all that often, but it 238 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: has happened. So we love to hear some real stories 239 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: about those kinds of experiences. And most importantly, of course, 240 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: if uh, there was something you couldn't explain, if somebody 241 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: really did have something that seemed to be esp that 242 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: assisted in the cracking of a case. And it doesn't 243 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: have to be homicide, of course, it could be you know, 244 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: stolen goods, yeah, anything, or if you you worked with 245 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: a psychic or a medium and nothing came of it 246 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: or the information was wrong. I'd love to hear either way. 247 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: And of course every time that we ask for the 248 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: best part of this show, which is your stories, your 249 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: email is your ideas for future topics, we like to 250 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: show improve that it's not all just a bunch of malarkey, 251 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: which means it's almost time for shout at corners. Today's 252 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: first shout out goes to Ned Kelly's revenge from Twitter. 253 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: Just listen to your political conspiracy episode, and half of 254 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: that episode is now fact you guys have to be 255 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: psychic or nostro damist two point oh or something. This. 256 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: I love this this tweet because it's shortened all of 257 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: the letters. It's letters and numbers and not actual words 258 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: for most of it because you had to shorten it. 259 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, thanks so much for writing to 260 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: us on Twitter. You know that I always initially hesitant 261 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: about that one, because, uh, talking about politics on the internet, 262 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: which I would count of podcast as as well, can 263 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: so quickly become incredibly unproductive. So I, for one, I'm 264 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: really glad that you found it worth your time, and 265 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: thanks so much for checking out the show. The next 266 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,719 Speaker 1: shout out goes to Alex Willits, who wrote to us 267 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: on Facebook. Alex wants us to cover some more unsolved 268 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: crime topics. He's interested specifically in cropsy, which isn't really 269 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: an unsolved crime topic. It's it's a legend. It's an 270 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: urban legend, but it's still fascinating. Yeah, there's a there's 271 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: a great documentary on cropsy um that I think one 272 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: of you guys may have turned me onto. But how 273 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: how great your timing is, Alex, So we hope that 274 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: you enjoyed today's episode on Tara Cita Bossa and our 275 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: last shout out for this episode comes from Christopher Rogers, 276 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: who says, can you delve into the topic of water? 277 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: The local and state governments make farmers in my region 278 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: pay tax on the water that falls into their dams 279 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: and creeks. The bloody State Housing Authority has stopped installed 280 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: in rainwater tanks onto state housing because rainwater is dangerous. 281 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: Why does it seem like someone wants control over the 282 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: water supply and what authority do they have to make 283 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: me pay for this stuff when it falls from the sky. 284 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: You know, that's a question we've heard before and it's 285 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: still a good one. Christophers from Australia. I don't know 286 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: exactly what region he's from, but that is fascinating and 287 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: he wants us to cover water. I'm down, Yeah, I 288 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: think that's I think that's a great idea. We did 289 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: an earlier series on water wars and we also looked 290 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: at contamination there in Flint, Michigan. So this concludes ours. 291 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed this episode. If you want to 292 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: learn more about the case of Tara Sea Bassa, head 293 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: on over to archives dot Chicago Tribune dot com and 294 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: you could do a search for a tarrasee to Bassa. 295 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: You can do a search for some of the dates 296 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: that we talked about in the episode, and you can 297 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: find copies of the actual original reports, the physical paper 298 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: wers that came out in the seventies, eighties, and nineties 299 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: and really kind of follow the paper trail, which is 300 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: what we did to make this episode. I would say 301 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: it's exciting and it really gets your mind going. You 302 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: can find an article from two thousand in the Weekly 303 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: World News, which is something our coworker Josh Clark has 304 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: talked about before a publication about some of them less 305 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: than reputable things you'll find in that publication. But in 306 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: this story, it talks specifically about about Remy Chua's actions 307 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: while she was at work. Uh and you know, take 308 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: them with a grain of salt if you want, But 309 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: it talks about how she would sit at the same 310 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: place at the lunch table where where everyone would gather 311 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: to have lunch there at the hospital. She would sit 312 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: in the same place that Tara Sea Bassa used to sit, 313 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: and she would sing quietly to herself the way miss 314 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: Bassa would do. And this was all leading up to 315 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: the stories of that her husband was giving about her 316 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: going into trances on their bed at home. And you know, 317 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: it's fast sinating to read this stuff. It reads like 318 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: a Hollywood film, and you know, perhaps there's a reason 319 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: for that, or perhaps it's true, and it's just hard 320 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: to imagine. And I would want to also ask for 321 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: people to don't don't feel like you can't write to 322 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: us just because you're not you're not a member of 323 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: law enforcement. People run into allegations of psychic activity all 324 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: the time, and many of us listening or even creating 325 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: shows like this or investigations like this, do so because 326 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: we have found things that we cannot at this point explain, 327 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: and it may be just as presumptuous to make the 328 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: mistakes a lot of people who I guess confuse themselves 329 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: for skeptics make by automatically saying that you know something 330 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: is because something is strange or currently inexplicable, that it's automatic. 331 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: Bunk with this. With this case, there's not any There's 332 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: not any case I could find in my research of 333 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: tera C to basa um or excuse me, REMI chewa 334 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: being investigated or tested for any kind of extrasensory perception 335 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: or so on. And the truth of the matter is 336 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: that had that testing occurred and PRESU produced some sort 337 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: of statistically significant result, then we probably would have heard 338 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: of it, and you probably would have heard of this 339 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: case before. Still, ultimately, and this is only my opinion here, 340 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: the most important thing is that the killer was apprehended. 341 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: And finding the real murderer instead of someone who's falsely 342 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: convicted or instead of just someone who gets away, is 343 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: something that is um extremely important. And I'm not, you know, 344 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: at all condoning bending the rules of the law, although 345 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure statistically happens as well. You know, Ben I 346 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: I can't agree with you more. And I to kind 347 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: of give some context with this case, I'm going to 348 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: read a quote that comes from the Chicago Tribune says 349 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: we asked Detective Statuelo, who broke the case, if he 350 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: believed the Chiwa's He said, quote, I would not call 351 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: anyone a liar. If they had said they heard a 352 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: voice from God, I would listen. It would be wrong 353 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: for me to cut off in informant. I talked to pimps, prostitutes, 354 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: drug addicts in the Belmont area. Doctor and Mrs Chua 355 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: are educated, intelligent people who live in a ninety thousand 356 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: dollar house. It's a distinct change for me. I wanted 357 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: information on this murder. I listened and acted on what 358 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: they told me. We went after Alan Showery. The case 359 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: was wrapped up within three hours. End quote. Thank you 360 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: so much for listening. Everyone. We would like to hear 361 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: your stories if you have similar stories of experiences like 362 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: this in law enforcement or not in law enforcement, in 363 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: any kind of forensic investigation. Uh, and maybe any thing 364 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: you encountered that you thought was just beyond the bounds 365 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: of rational explanation. 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