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Speaker 1: probably don't remember this day, but in late two thousand

427
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Speaker 1: and six I remember it vividly. Mike Shula had been

428
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Speaker 1: fired as the head coach at Alabama. So there was

429
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Speaker 1: a thought that Alabama's time as a premier brand and

430
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,959
Speaker 1: program was done. Okay, once ruled college football, but they

431
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: got stuck on Bear Bryant for too long, and they

432
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 1: had incestuous hiring practices, which is curate, and they had

433
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: faded kind of the way people talk about Nebraska now

434
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: they were talking about Alabama. Okay, So, especially in the South,

435
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: people wanted Alabama dead and buried, and so they, you know,

436
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: talk radio in the South was just inundated with Alabama

437
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 1: thinks they're going to go hire Nick Saban, but they're

438
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: really not going to be able to get him. So

439
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: Alabama makes a run at Saban, who had left LSU

440
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: and he was two years into his career as the

441
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: Dolphins head coach, and he turns him down and he

442
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: has his famous press conference, I'm not going to be

443
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Speaker 1: the head coach at Alabama. That's early December. So then

444
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: all of December goes by. It was the longest month

445
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 1: in the history of Alabama. And you hear all these

446
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: names and I am not kidding you. Jim grob who

447
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: I think was the head coach at Wake Forest at

448
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: the time, Jeff Tedford was at col You had Rich

449
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: Rodriguez obviously at West Virginia. He was tearing it up,

450
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: but it was West Virginia and people didn't know because

451
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: they were in the Big East at the time, and

452
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: people didn't know with that translate eight to the SEC. Now,

453
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: of course, this is the time where urban Meyer has

454
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: translated to the SEC fairly well, so their minds were

455
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: eased a little bit on that front. Well, anyway, late

456
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: December they go in, they announce there's breaking news. Rich Rodriguez,

457
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Speaker 1: head coach at West Virginia, has agreed to be the

458
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Speaker 1: new head coach at Alabama. Right, so they wanted Sabin.

459
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Speaker 1: They didn't get in, but rich Rod is still one

460
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Speaker 1: of the hottest names. It would very much be like

461
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Speaker 1: the Klin de boor higher they just made. Only I

462
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: would argue Debor probably thought of a little bit higher nationally,

463
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Speaker 1: but it would be comparable of a name a little

464
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Speaker 1: outside the box, no ties to Alabama. He's done it

465
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Speaker 1: one place, but is he going to do it on

466
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Speaker 1: the big stage. He's got a really impressive offense, but

467
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Speaker 1: will his team be complimentary enough? Will we recruit in

468
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Speaker 1: the South. They were saying a lot of that stuff

469
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Speaker 1: about rich Rod. So Rich Rod takes the job? Or

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Speaker 1: does he? So? I remember in Columbus, Georgia, the red Light.

471
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Speaker 1: I was at the morning that I was listening to

472
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Speaker 1: ESPN radio and Colin Cowherd was on at the time,

473
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Speaker 1: and he's going to break and he actually he does

474
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: the you know the paper Russell in the mic and

475
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Speaker 1: he says, hey, that rich Rodriguez to Alabama deal is

476
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Speaker 1: not finalized. That's how he tossed to break. It was

477
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Speaker 1: the best tease that I've ever heard in my life. So,

478
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Speaker 1: I mean, I am like, I am glued to that

479
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: radio waiting the three and a half or four minutes

480
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Speaker 1: during the break for it to come back. So they

481
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Speaker 1: come back, and there's word out of Tuscaloosa that rich

482
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Speaker 1: Rodriguaez has rescinded his accepting of the Alabama job. He's

483
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Speaker 1: staying at West Virginia. They're offering him a contract extension.

484
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Speaker 1: And at that point you're like, is are they right?

485
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Speaker 1: Is Alabama really just sol? Are they really going to

486
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Speaker 1: be regulated to a second or third tier program? Is

487
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: Alabama's secret poverty in college football? Now? So Christmas comes

488
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: and goes nothing. New Year's comes and goes nothing. January second,

489
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: you start to hear the rumblings. Nick Saban's back in play,

490
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: and everyone, even Alabama fans for different reasons, but everyone's like,

491
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Speaker 1: it's not happening. And Alabama fans are like, they're kind

492
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: of doing the reverse psychology. It's not gonna happen. Please

493
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Speaker 1: let it happen. It's not gonna happen. Nah, come on,

494
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: come on, Nick, come home. January third, two thousand and seven,

495
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: Nick Saban accepts the Alabama head coaching job. There's the

496
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Speaker 1: legendary scene from him getting off the plane there on

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Speaker 1: the tarmac and Tuscaloosa and I'm pretty sure the entire

498
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: city is there to greet him. People he's never met

499
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: are kissing him. It's great, just wonderful. And so he

500
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: wades through a sea of crimson humanity there. He has

501
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: a police escort that would be very similar to what

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Speaker 1: the President of the United States would have if he

503
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Speaker 1: visited Tuscalusa and he makes his way down University Boulevard

504
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Speaker 1: over to the Malmore Athletic Facility, which or may not

505
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: have been named that at the time. Malmore has since

506
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: passed on. That's the ad who went and got Nick Saban.

507
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: So he's a forever legend at Alabama and everything changed

508
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: in college football that day. But what if it didn't happen?

509
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: What if rich Rod took the job? Is the question. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think Saban would have come back to college football,

511
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Speaker 1: but let me entertain something for just a second. He

512
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: may have just stayed in the NFL. I think one

513
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Speaker 1: of the biggest myths that people tell about the history

514
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Speaker 1: of football in this country is Nick Saban was a

515
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Speaker 1: failure in the NFL. Like, think in your mind right now,

516
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: you probably think this when you say Nick Saban, NFL.

517
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: Tell me the story. You say, oh, man, he flamed

518
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: out in the NFL. He didn't. He didn't. He was

519
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: like two games below five hundred. He had a better

520
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: two year start than Parcels or Belichick had in their careers,

521
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: and also wanted Drew Brees and team doctors turned it down,

522
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Speaker 1: and unlike college football, Nick Saban does not get final

523
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Speaker 1: say in the NFL. Nick Saban is cut out for

524
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Speaker 1: the NFL. Nick Saban, I have no doubt was gonna

525
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Speaker 1: succeed in the NFL. So if he had stayed in

526
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Speaker 1: the NFL, he would have been fine, would have ended

527
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Speaker 1: up being a winner, and it would be a moot point.

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Speaker 1: But because he was only two years in, people just

529
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Speaker 1: missremember things, man, People miss remember like he was in

530
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Speaker 1: the playoff hunt up until the last few weeks of

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Speaker 1: the season the second year. They were fine. They were fine.

532
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: So anyway, beating Belichick twice vintage Patriots, Belichick beat him

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Speaker 1: twice when he was down there. So he comes to Alabama.

534
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Speaker 1: But if he doesn't, if he stays in the NFL,

535
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: Miami would have been a winner under him. But if

536
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't, if he does come back to college football,

537
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: where does he go? Probably not Alabama? So where does

538
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: he go because rich Rod I think would have been okay?

539
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: Does he end up at Texas? Mac Brown's got a

540
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: few years left at that point. Does he end up

541
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: at Texas? Does he end up maybe somewhere else in

542
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: the SEC. Maybe he goes to Tennessee. Maybe Phil Filmer's

543
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: career still fades out around the time it did. Now,

544
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: we all know Saban had a lot to do with

545
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: a lot of those careers flaming out when they did.

546
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: But you know as well as I do, big jobs

547
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: come open all the time for many different reasons. So

548
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: who's to say that he wouldn't just have taken another

549
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: big time job and done everything there that he ended

550
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: up doing at Alabama. Because I'm a believer, there's several

551
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: programs out there that he could have done with what

552
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: he did with Alabama. Not fifty of them, but there

553
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: are several of them. I just wonder where he would

554
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: have wound up at Auburn. Maybe he winds up at Auburn.

555
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the shiver that goes up the spine

556
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Speaker 1: of an Alabama listener when I even suggest that anyway

557
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: fun exercise there? Those are the most fun exercises, the

558
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: ones that we can't know if we're right or wrong on.

559
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: You know what, we'll have Nick Saban on the show

560
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 1: next time we get him on the show, I'm gonna

561
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: throw that at him. If you didn't take the Bama job,

562
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: what do you think happens? See where he goes with it.

563
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: Next up roll with the take me from Nyota or Nyota,

564
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: Tennessee and said, first of all, love the show and

565
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: your take on everything college football. You've said several times

566
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Speaker 1: that the expanded playoff is worse for the regular season

567
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Speaker 1: than the four team But have you given thought to

568
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Speaker 1: the fact that once a team loses two regular season games,

569
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Speaker 1: their fan base is severely disinterested in what happens. Yeah,

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00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: I've given thought to that. I've also given thought to

571
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Speaker 1: why that is. I don't ever start this conversation at

572
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Speaker 1: this point. Anyone who listens to or watches the show

573
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Speaker 1: knows when we talk about this whole meaningless game thing,

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Speaker 1: I don't talk about the here and now because you're

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Speaker 1: doing a disservice to the reality of the situation. If

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Speaker 1: you just say, well, if we don't expand the playoff,

577
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Speaker 1: there will be meaningless regular season games. You can call

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Speaker 1: it that if you want to. Even if you are

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Speaker 1: of the mentality, which I'm not, all I needs two

580
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Speaker 1: teams in the ball for it to be a meaningful

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Speaker 1: game to me. But even if you do believe, hey,

582
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Speaker 1: these late November games feel meaningless if you're not in

583
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Speaker 1: the playoff, race. You can't just start it there. You've

584
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: got to started where it actually began, because we never

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00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 1: said that in two thousand and four. You weren't telling

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00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: me two lost teams were out of it and their

587
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: games were meaningless, because at that point you had not

588
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: had your mind reverse engineered to think that meaning was

589
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: solely tied to whether you had playoff implications on your game.

590
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: I know my younger audience does not get this because

591
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: you never lived it. You've only lived in an era

592
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: where the well has been poisoned by the playoff, and

593
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: therefore you've only lived in an era where you're thinking

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Speaker 1: about college football begins with the postseason as everything deriving

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00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: its meaning from. But it hasn't always been that way.

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00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: There was a time where you came into a season

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Speaker 1: and you knew, yeah, there are few teams that could

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Speaker 1: probably win a championship this year, most of them can't.

599
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: And then you kind of reclassified teams and said, all right,

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Speaker 1: so for North Carolina this year, they're not going to

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Speaker 1: win a national championship. I think eight wins would be

602
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: good for them. And then as their season went on,

603
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: that was your barache, and if they went on to

604
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: compete for a title out of the blue grate. But

605
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: what your mind was thinking is they lose one game

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Speaker 1: in week three. Oh man, still everything's in play. They

607
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: lose their second game beginning of November. Hey, it's okay.

608
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: They lose the third game the week after. Got to

609
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: lick our wounds and regroup, and they get to win

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Speaker 1: the second the last week of the season, and they're

611
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Speaker 1: seven and three or seven and four heading into the

612
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: final weekend. Today, you'd call that game meaningless. Back in

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00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: the day everything was on the line. Why because you

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00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: had properly placed the barometer for North Carolina football at

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Speaker 1: eight wins. They've got a chance to win their eighth

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Speaker 1: game against Georgia Tech this Saturday, and if they win it,

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00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: they succeeded relative to your expectation. And also, bowls meant

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00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: a lot, bolls meant a lot. They could make the

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Speaker 1: Citrus Bowl if they win this Saturday. And that was

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00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: the way college football used to be. No one called

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Speaker 1: the games meaningless, is the point. So if you're asking me,

622
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Speaker 1: do we need to change it to make the games

623
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Speaker 1: meaningful today, my thought never is yes or no. I

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00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: always go back and I provide that context. I just

625
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: gave and maybe that helps a lot of you understand

626
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: the source of my anger on a lot of these fronts.

627
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Speaker 1: But the other thing is, I know we can't go

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Speaker 1: back in time. I know that My whole plea has

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00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: been if we can't go back in time, can we

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00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: at least take the people responsible for getting us to

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Speaker 1: where we are now and get them out of the

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00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: room and remove decision making privileges from them. That's the

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00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: best we can do now because we can't go back

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Speaker 1: in time. So I don't want people who made the

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00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: mess creating more of a mess. And now, as for

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00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: the follow up, how do you create meaning in the

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00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: regular season? I think there are a lot of formats

638
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: being worked on right now that would both expand the

639
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: playoff and maintain meaning in the regular season. I talked

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Speaker 1: about that the other night. I'll talk about it more

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Speaker 1: moving forward. I'm not perfect by any stretch, but I

642
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Speaker 1: think there are ways we can accomplish that. Okay, let's

643
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Speaker 1: move on. And by the way, I've got Colin recording

644
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Speaker 1: some of this for video use, So that's why it

645
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Speaker 1: sounded like there was kind of a hard out right there.

646
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Speaker 1: I'm actually going to talk about what those formats are

647
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Speaker 1: in just a second, So hang tight on that, because

648
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Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of things happening behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes in college football. You can't see him right now,

650
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Speaker 1: but it's very, very important. Here's a question from Vestavia Hills, Alabama.

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Speaker 1: What is your best advice for someone who wants to

652
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Speaker 1: get into sports media? Do it? Do it, but do

653
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Speaker 1: it after you've done proper research. So I got into

654
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Speaker 1: sports media. It worked out fine for me, but I

655
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: also had to think long and hard beforehand about the

656
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: basic question of why would anyone care what I have

657
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Speaker 1: to say? That's the question that I give when I

658
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Speaker 1: do seminars, when I talk to college students. I didn't

659
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: win this morning, actually, and I ask that student, why

660
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Speaker 1: should anyone care what you have to say? It sounds

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00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: like a very, very condescending question. It's not. It's the

662
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: most brutally honest question, because when you get in this business,

663
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: you're at the core philosophical floor of what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to the most stubborn group of people in

665
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Speaker 1: the world. We are all sports fans. I am, you are,

666
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: your buddy is. We're all sports fans. Every sports fan

667
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Speaker 1: is stubborn. Every one of us has something to say,

668
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: and we don't really have a whole lot of attention

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Speaker 1: to pay to other people talking. We want to talk.

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Speaker 1: Every one of us wants to talk because we think

671
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Speaker 1: we know it all. So that is a sports fan.

672
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Speaker 1: That's college football fan, that's an NHL fan. You're actually

673
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: trying to endeavor being good enough at your craft to

674
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: where the most stubborn group of people in the world

675
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: guts up to listen to what you have to say.

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Speaker 1: That is a very hard thing to accomplish. So why

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Speaker 1: would any I don't care what you have to say

678
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: if you can't answer that question. That doesn't mean don't

679
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: pursue sports media, but it means to define that you know,

680
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: define what the overlap is of what you're good at

681
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: and what you're passionate about and what people care about,

682
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: and then start to plot your course. That's the best

683
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Speaker 1: advice that I can give you. Also, don't be scared

684
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: at all how saturated the market is. Mema always said

685
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: a lighthouse is just as tall in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the ocean as it is in the middle of a lake,

687
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Speaker 1: Meaning if you stand out, you stand out. Doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: how much water there is, how much saturation there is

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Speaker 1: around you, and The other thing is this would get

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Speaker 1: in the weeds a little bit, so I'm not going

691
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: to waste time on it. Competition is the most misunderstood

692
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: thing in this business. I swear to you. The oldest

693
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: thing that I listen to is people talking about who

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Speaker 1: they're competing against. I'm competing against this guy over here,

695
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm competing against that show. Think how you want to

696
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Speaker 1: let me tell you how we do it. We don't

697
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Speaker 1: have competition. There is not an individual or a personality

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Speaker 1: in the space that we ever look at and compare

699
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Speaker 1: ourselves to. There's not another show we compare ourselves to

700
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four. You had to do that because

701
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four it was pre on demand, it

702
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: was pre digital media, and it was a time slot

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Speaker 1: oriented world. If you had a show at four o'clock

704
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: and I had to show at four o'clock, it was

705
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Speaker 1: a fight to the death for every audience member, cause

706
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Speaker 1: every one of them you got was one I could

707
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: not get. There is no YouTube at that time, there's

708
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: no podcast, there's not even DVR. There's no going back

709
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: for the audience member and watching both shows. Therefore, we

710
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: both get credit for it. We got we gotta do

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Speaker 1: what we can to get the audience. In twenty twenty four,

712
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: that's not the case. It's an on demand world. That

713
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: means if you want to, if you want to watch

714
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Speaker 1: Clatt live and go watch me later wonderful, I want

715
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Speaker 1: you to do that. The high tide raises all boats today.

716
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: So like Andy Staples does really good stuff overt on three,

717
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: go listen to the show. Piquel does stug good stuff

718
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: over there, go listen to it. Go listen to Joel Klatt,

719
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: go listen to all the folks. Make sure you listen

720
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: to our show too. But my advice, humbly is, don't

721
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Speaker 1: def find competition as who else is in your space.

722
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: Just worry about running your race. Define what your standard

723
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Speaker 1: is and compete against the standard. Don't be competing against

724
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Speaker 1: other people. What if you're capable of being way better

725
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: than them, But since all you're doing is focusing on them,

726
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: you take your foot off the gas as soon as

727
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: you bypass them. How dumb would that be? You've lost,

728
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: even though you're number one. You've lost because you're not

729
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: fulfilling what your potential is. Anyway, that's not what this

730
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Speaker 1: podcast is about. So let's move on next up, Jeff said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's your ideal college football format in terms of composition

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Speaker 1: of conferences and crowning a national champ. You don't want

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Speaker 1: that from me, Jeff from Lenexa, Kansas. You don't want

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Speaker 1: that from me. Use buddy. My perfect scenario is just

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Speaker 1: we play the regular season and then we decide who's

736
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Speaker 1: the champ at the end, and so be it. And

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Speaker 1: it's very controversial, and I will admit a vast majority

738
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Speaker 1: of you would hate that. So if I were to

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Speaker 1: compromise with you, given what the structure is today, if

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Speaker 1: I were to compromise with you, I guess I would

741
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: I take the SEC decide how big you guys are

742
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Speaker 1: gonna be. If you're going to twenty teams, just go

743
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: ahead and do it. Take the Big ten. If you're

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Speaker 1: going to twenty, go ahead and do it. And then

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Speaker 1: split yourself into four divisions and take your division winners

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Speaker 1: and have two semi final games and a conference title game,

747
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Speaker 1: and then produce your conference champ. That's one spot in

748
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Speaker 1: the playoff, two spots in the playoff, the Big twelve.

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Speaker 1: I guess could do the same thing. That's a third

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Speaker 1: spot in the playoff, and then take everything else that's

751
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Speaker 1: out there. G five's everything, and just give me a

752
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Speaker 1: fourth team and have a four team playoff. That's the

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Speaker 1: way I would do it, because it's really not a

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Speaker 1: four team playoff if you think about it, it's an

755
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: expanded playoff. It's just that a chunk of the playoff

756
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: happens inside the conferences. And for the record, I'm not

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Speaker 1: so sure that may not be where we're headed. I

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00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: know that's being looked at right now, and I would

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Speaker 1: be much more happy with that than I would elsewhere, because,

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Speaker 1: if you think about it, it keeps the playoff field

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Speaker 1: fairly small, but it also keeps everybody engaged because instead

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Speaker 1: instead of being in a twenty team league knowing that

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Speaker 1: only two teams have a shot at the conference title,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you have four divisions. Therefore you

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Speaker 1: have four division races in each of those conferences on

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Speaker 1: the teams are in play at that point. So I

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Speaker 1: guess that's the way I would do it. But the

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Speaker 1: shorter answer is there is no perfect format this day

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Speaker 1: and age next up, this is a really good question.

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Speaker 1: I may not go the direction that you thought i'd go,

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Speaker 1: but this is a good question. Two two nine Dog

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Speaker 1: with a couple of trophies from Bainbridge, Georgia asks how

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Speaker 1: do you think the increasing emphasis on analytics and data

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Speaker 1: driven decision making is shaping college football strategies hiring. That's

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Speaker 1: where it's shaping college football strategy hiring. So I think

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Speaker 1: the most one sided fight in college football for a

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00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: long time has not been Power five versus FCS teams.

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Speaker 1: I have felt the most one sided and lopsided fight

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00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: in college football for a long time has been Jimmy

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00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: Sexton versus the athletic director he's negotiating coaching contracts with.

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00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: That's an unfair fight. That is men versus boys, and

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00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: the boys aren't all that bright. And so I think

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00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: nowadays the hiring process, not just for head coaches but

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00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: assistance on down, has gotten a lot smarter. And there

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00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: are there are informed, data driven minds in the room.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not inside the walls of the athletic department, but

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Speaker 1: trust me, there are very smart minds hired guns out

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Speaker 1: there if you will, that can very much direct you

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Speaker 1: towards the right hires. But I don't think it's been

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00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: adopted industry wide yet. You'd be stunned at how antiquated

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00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: the hiring process is. I think you'd be disappointed. Frankly,

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00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of a major program and you

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00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: get a head coach in there, and he's been there

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00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: a few years and he's been fairly successful, you may

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Speaker 1: think to yourself, that guy really knows how to hire.

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Speaker 1: And you would think when you lose your wide receiver

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00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: and tight end and outside linebackers coach, you would think

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Speaker 1: that the process is he's got a list of names

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Speaker 1: a mile long, and he's got background on every one

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Speaker 1: of them, and he knows them better than they know themselves.

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Speaker 1: And guys, I regret to inform you that is not

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00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: how hiring happens. The way hiring actually happens in this

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Speaker 1: world for a lot of places is I'm the head coach,

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Speaker 1: I'm represented by filling the blank, and as soon as

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00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: I need coaches, I call my representative and I say,

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Speaker 1: who's on our payroll? Who should I go? After? You

807
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: heard me, right, I am telling you the coach is

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00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: reaching out to the agent and the agent is providing

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00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: a list of names. It leads to a lot of

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00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: churn in the business because a lot of less qualified

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Speaker 1: people are hired, a lot of people who are represented

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00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: by the wrong agencies don't even get looks, even though

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Speaker 1: they may be high caliber, and rents and repeat. And

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Speaker 1: it may surprise you that that's the way it works,

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Speaker 1: because you would think, man, if a head coach has

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Speaker 1: his job on the line, shouldn't he be way way

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00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: more thorough with his hiring process. Well, the answer is yeah,

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00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: he should. But you need to also remember that agency

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Speaker 1: it got that head coach's job also got him a

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Speaker 1: twenty or thirty million dollar buyout, So even if he

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00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: does get fired, he's okay. And so that same agent

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Speaker 1: that got you the twenty or thirty million dollar buyout,

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Speaker 1: if it falls through, is going to look at you

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Speaker 1: and say, now, the trade off is got to give

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00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: our guys looks when you have openings. We got you

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Speaker 1: this job at Peate State. Pate State's one of the

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Speaker 1: premier brands of college football. It helps folks on our payroll. Now,

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Speaker 1: it helps our clientele list if they get rubbed with

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Speaker 1: Pate State and they coach for you, and hey, man,

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00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: you're the best in the game. You can win with anybody.

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Speaker 1: This is the hiring process and major college football. It's

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00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: not all that smart. So my advice would be never

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Speaker 1: assume that there is a high level, scientific approach to

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Speaker 1: hiring going on behind the scenes. I'm telling you, one day,

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Speaker 1: when I do not need this for a living anymore,

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Speaker 1: I will give you some stories. But it's fascinating how

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Speaker 1: little the head coaches actually involved in some cases in

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Speaker 1: the hiring process. And another thing is because of that

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Speaker 1: you have an opening. I think of it as the

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Speaker 1: Moneyball of college football. You had back in the day.

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Speaker 1: You had the Yankees out spending the Oakland A's five

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Speaker 1: to one. Oakland had to respond and if you've seen

843
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: the movie Moneyball, you know how they responded. And there

844
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: were just glaring weaknesses in the system because the big

845
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: boys looked around and they could be very, very loose

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00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: with their approach and they could just spend their way

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Speaker 1: out of problems. Well, that meant that there were a

848
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Speaker 1: lot of cracks where very smart people could fill and

849
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: Oakland did it. And in this sport, there are a

850
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: lot of good coaches out there. There are coaches unemployed

851
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: right now that are Scotti O'Hara is a good example,

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Speaker 1: So there's a thinking, there's a lot of thinking out

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Speaker 1: the conference title has maximum meaning. And I think that

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Speaker 1: I promise you, there's no world where the SEC and

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Speaker 1: don't care. Do you think Fox is doing that with

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Speaker 1: So those voices are in the room, is my point.

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