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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Diddy sucks Prince Harry into

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Speaker 1: his sex traffic cesspool. This as Justin Bieber makes a

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Speaker 1: bombshell announcement, I mean claims he too was abused by

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Speaker 1: Shawn Combs. Diddy grilling Cassie on an NFL mystery lover

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Speaker 1: as a Chris Brown romance revealed. I'm Nancy Grace, this

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. This

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Speaker 1: as reports of Shawn Combs is tutsi role.

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Speaker 2: She is comparing Combe's penis.

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Speaker 1: To a Tootsie role ed b d didy ed b

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Speaker 1: d d d ed b d didy the totsy roll.

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Speaker 3: Shawn Combs is tootsi roll.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I said that, but I didn't say it first

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Speaker 1: an alleged rape victim set up first.

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Speaker 3: But let's get to now.

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Speaker 1: Joining us outside the courthouse, Lauren Colin, investigative reporter and

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Speaker 1: star of Pup Crime TV.

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Speaker 3: Lauren, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: What is this I'm hearing about a mystery NFL lover

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Speaker 1: and what does that have to do with Sean Cones

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Speaker 1: being charged with sex trafficking and Rico criminal enterprise.

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Speaker 3: They're just dragging Cassie through the mud. For no reason.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Nancy.

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Speaker 4: A lot of what we're hearing on the stand from Cassie,

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Speaker 4: many of us are questioning what this has to do

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Speaker 4: with anything besides laying a foundation. But the NFL player,

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Speaker 4: we heard about, this mysterious NFL player that really was

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Speaker 4: trying to get us to see why Didty was jealous.

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Speaker 4: We also heard about a twenty thirteen incident where Didty

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Speaker 4: was jealous of Cassie because she was allegedly dancing with

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Speaker 4: Chris Brown and he stole her phone. Cassie actually denied

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Speaker 4: but she does remember him stealing her phone. There was

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Speaker 4: a doctor's appointment and he told her, Hey, text your

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Speaker 4: mom you're okay, and I'm paraphrasing. As soon as she

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Speaker 1: Wow, you know what, I'm going to follow up with

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Speaker 1: batter Women's Center as a volunteer, Lauren. At that juncture,

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Speaker 1: everybody was still tethered to the wall with a phone

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Speaker 3: Here, same thing, different decades.

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Speaker 1: So what else is happening in the courtroom beside the

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Speaker 1: defense trying to drag Cassievententior through the mud and after

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Speaker 3: On cross exam, Sean Colmes had a hot.

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Speaker 1: Mike incident where you could hear him say I'm proud

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Speaker 1: of you to the lawyer that.

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Speaker 3: Was attacking Cassie Ventura.

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Speaker 4: I thought that her approach was gentle. She wasn't baddering Cassie,

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Speaker 4: and that was strategic. Well, we are not really seeing that.

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Speaker 4: On the remainder of the Cross. We were seeing a

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Speaker 4: she had alleged an incident where Diddy seemed to have

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Speaker 4: after she heard about someone allegedly having an fo tape

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Speaker 4: It'll be someone else. So you know that that wasn't

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Speaker 4: I did feel for Cassie on that. And oh, Nancy,

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Speaker 4: we actually heard about Jonathan Odie.

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Speaker 3: We actually heard.

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Speaker 4: From Cassie herself that she saw him hold up a

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Speaker 4: and the prosecutor asked her, well, do you know what happened?

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Speaker 4: Did he pay him off? Do you know about this?

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Speaker 4: Cassie alleged she didn't know, but the rest of us

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Speaker 1: So wait, you're telling me that it just came out

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Speaker 1: on the stand that Jonathan Odie was brought up, and

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Speaker 1: Geragos in that twenty eighteen recording that's not the best

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Speaker 1: picture he ever took. But that said, now Odie has

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know, Lauren Colin, you're just full of probative information.

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Speaker 1: You know what they're doing right now is dragging Cassie

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Speaker 3: Her look like the bad person.

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Speaker 1: But I still say that that tape, that Intercontinental tape,

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Speaker 4: So, speaking of trying to make Cassie look bad, they

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Speaker 4: and I know what they were. What they were going

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Speaker 4: as an observer, Cassie said something like, you know, I

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Speaker 4: that's how you want to treat you know, a beatdown

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Speaker 4: And I have to say, Nancy, it's been so wild

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Speaker 1: Guy's joining us at the courthouse. Star Pop Crime TV

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Speaker 1: co host Lauren Conlin.

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Speaker 3: Lauren, we've heard.

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Speaker 1: About Jonathan Odie. We've heard about a mystery NFL lover.

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Speaker 3: What was that about? You told me about Chris Brown,

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Speaker 3: But what about the NFL? Star Listen.

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Speaker 4: I don't know much about sports, but I plan on

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Speaker 4: looking this up after because that was a moment that

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Speaker 4: many of us were like, who did she date in

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Speaker 4: Don't quote me on this, but it was some time

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Speaker 1: Lauren Colin, tell me how Cassie is holding up on

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Speaker 3: How does she look today?

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Speaker 4: She looks beautiful, her hair is down, she has a

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Speaker 4: She's answering the questions as that she can, and we're

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Speaker 1: And how is the jury responding? How did they their

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Speaker 4: Overall, this jury has been very stoic, very rarely showing

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Speaker 3: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Lauren Colin joining us outside the courtroom, I'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you in just a few moments, Lauren Conlin.

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Speaker 3: Let's bring in the.

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Speaker 1: Entire panel joining me in all star panel to make

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Speaker 1: sense of what we are learning right now. But first

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Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Robert Crispin, joining

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Speaker 1: us private investigator at Crispin Special Investigations, but for my purposes,

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Speaker 1: former homicide and for today, former Vice Cop Robert Crispin.

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Speaker 1: I put a lot of female victims on the stand. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've put a female preacher on the stand. I've taken

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Speaker 3: It never fails.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's a female preacher or a prostitute.

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Speaker 1: Everything they've ever said or done wrong according to society

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Speaker 1: can of worms. Just see what I'm saying. They're talking

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Speaker 1: about her drug use. They're talking about a violent episode,

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Speaker 3: She made, and it's caught on video.

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Speaker 1: They're doing everything they can to demonize Cassie Ventura and

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Speaker 1: you and I've seen it a million times, Crispin.

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Speaker 5: front of that jury. But sadly enough, all the drugs,

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Speaker 5: It was an escape from her mind, to get away

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Speaker 3: But when you're in a position of thinking you're going.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly what I said, and that's probably why she

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Speaker 1: Be careful what you ask for. You may surely get

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Speaker 3: Think about it.

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Speaker 7: I had sex with Cassie and Sean. Basically he would

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Speaker 7: like a sex I don't know with Sean. Okay, and

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Speaker 6: To that agenda.

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Speaker 7: That's why he's so famous in Animal the contracts, it's

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Speaker 6: My settlement put me in a box.

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Speaker 7: Basically, I couldn't talk because I also be.

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Speaker 7: But they've been following me, and they've had smart characters,

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Speaker 3: Let me go out to a shrink. I need a shrink.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Cheryl Eric joining us a clinical forensics psychologist specializing

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Speaker 3: Doctor erld, thank you for being with us. I wanted

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Speaker 1: Okay, because this is back and I'm pretty sure twenty

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Speaker 3: Look at this guy. So you think this twenty one.

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Speaker 3: You, doctor Cheryl, what this means.

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Speaker 1: Because everything he was saying in twenty eighteen, nobody believed him.

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Speaker 1: They thought he was a nut, talking about how does

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Speaker 1: that he couldn't talk about what had happened with Shawn Combs.

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Speaker 3: But he said then that Shawn Combs.

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Speaker 1: Would force him to have sex with Cassie Ventira while

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Speaker 3: He was telling the truth.

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Speaker 8: Recording prosecutors, Yes, and he does seem credible for all

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Speaker 9: Right after Cassie tried to leave after the fo or

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Speaker 1: State versus Sean Combs in full swing today in the

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Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin. Lauren, first of all, tell me more about

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Speaker 1: what happened in court today.

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Speaker 4: It was an intense day with Cassie finishing up her

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Speaker 4: cross examination on the stand. What the defense seemed to

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Speaker 1: Well, I hear what you're saying, Arm, But when you

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Speaker 3: So what exactly are you talking about?

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Speaker 4: There was a few instances where we saw text messages

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Sidney Summer, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter,

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Speaker 1: it was my understanding that the specific words were Cassie.

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Speaker 3: In a text that she was ovulating.

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Speaker 2: I believe that's correct. Nancy did naked Cathy permission to

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Speaker 1: You know another thing, Sidney Sumner, there's a big difference

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Speaker 1: at There's a big difference in saying, hey, let's get

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Speaker 1: he makes her do it anyway.

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Speaker 3: That's not the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that Cassiev interior testified he would force

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Speaker 2: That's what she testified to in her direct examination.

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Speaker 1: Nancy, Okay, you know to Brett Brown joining me executive

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Speaker 1: rat ate trafficking and abuse on girls and women. It

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Speaker 1: seems to me that every way he could embarrass her,

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Speaker 1: every way he could humiliate her or debase her, that's

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Speaker 1: what he did. And yes, I know that she texted

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, she absolutely had to go along. It's ludicrous

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Speaker 6: And that's true in her text directly to him.

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Speaker 10: Into his circle around him, he had an army of

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Speaker 10: which means that at some point Sean Comne's real personality

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Speaker 3: Bet to Lauren Colin at the courthouse.

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Speaker 1: Was there mention of drugs by use by both parties.

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Speaker 4: They really seemed to focus on Cassie's drug use and

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Speaker 4: isn't it true that mister Holmes wanted you to do

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Speaker 3: Okay, hold on, just to moment.

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Speaker 1: They've got a ten million dollar defense team, But don't

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Speaker 1: Straight out to a veteran trial lawyer joining us, Eric

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Speaker 1: fattis founding partner Varner fattus elite legal former felony prosecutor. Fattest,

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Speaker 1: voluntary use on drugs or alcohol. It's never a defense.

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Speaker 1: If it were, everybody in the Fulton County Courthouse would

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Speaker 1: my no, that is not a defense. So arguing that

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Nancy, I'm surely not a defense to any of

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Speaker 11: these charges. You know, when it comes to crimal defense,

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Speaker 11: you have statutory defenses and you have non statutory defenses,

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Speaker 11: which are just things you defense attorney's kind of come

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Speaker 11: up with that they think is going to mitigate their clients,

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Speaker 11: blame their client's culpability. I think what they were hoping

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Speaker 11: for is to try to suggest to this journey that

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Speaker 11: it wasn't you know, the real didd he who was

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Speaker 11: committing these things. It was some did he who was

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Speaker 11: hopped up and intoxicated on drugs.

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Speaker 6: Does that really excuse his behavior legally?

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Speaker 5: Know?

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Speaker 11: Could it mitigate it in the eyes of some jurors.

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Speaker 11: That remains to be seen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, everything that you just said is BS because

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Speaker 1: you said that there are statutory defenses, in other words,

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Speaker 1: accepted defenses like it was an accident, it was self defense,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't me. I have an alibi. Those are as

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Speaker 1: you're calling them statutory or accepted defenses that actually work.

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Speaker 3: That's what that means.

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Speaker 1: Then you mentioned something about non statutory defenses. This is

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Speaker 1: where I'm calling BS sonia fattus. Non statutory defenses like

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Speaker 1: this one I tried a homicide. There were two defendants,

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Speaker 1: two defense lawyers ganging up on me, and one of

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Speaker 1: them came up with transferred intent.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, what is that?

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Speaker 1: And he actually argued I was so happy, I tried

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Speaker 1: not to smile. He actually argued to the jury, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I gunned down the victim, but it was the wrong person.

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Speaker 3: I meant to shoot somebody else.

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Speaker 1: I meant to shoot a drug dealer, not a twelve

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Speaker 1: year old boy coming home from band practice. So he

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Speaker 1: admitted he shot somebody down an unarmed person. Okay, is

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Speaker 1: that what you're calling a non statutory defense? In other words,

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Speaker 1: a defense that doesn't work because the law is black

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Speaker 1: and white letter of the law. Voluntary use of drugs

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Speaker 1: or alcohol is not a defense, you said something about

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Speaker 1: It's just something they make up hoping to mitigate liability

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Speaker 1: or culpability in front of a jury.

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Speaker 3: Did I get that right? Because I'm loving this.

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Speaker 11: Well, there is the letter of the law, and then

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Speaker 11: there are kind of shades of grade that emerged in

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Speaker 11: the practice of law. What I'm talking about are defenses

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Speaker 11: that fall into the category of zealous advocacy that might

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Speaker 11: not be enumerated in some statue. But I think an

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Speaker 11: example of that in this case too, is where defense

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Speaker 11: is saying that Cassie.

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Speaker 6: Was also violent towards Ditty.

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Speaker 11: That's not a defense to sex trafficking, but it is

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Speaker 11: something that the jury might consider in deciding who was

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Speaker 11: to blame here.

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Speaker 3: It looks like control room.

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Speaker 1: I need to show Fattest the Inner Continental Hotel, Cassie

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Speaker 1: beat down again. Fattest, I want you to train your

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Speaker 1: eyes on your monitor. Okay, now, does this look like

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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventira ninety pounds looking wit?

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Speaker 3: Has ow ever been the agressor? Right? Yeah, you're telling

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Speaker 3: me that it is Cassie Venturira.

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Speaker 1: She's the one giving him a good old fashioned booty beating.

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Speaker 1: He's the one taking a whipping right there. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: I should believe you and not Malaian eyes. Is that

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Speaker 1: what you're saying? Did you actually say Cassie Ventira was

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Speaker 1: the violent one?

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Speaker 3: Well, it is not my defense.

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Speaker 11: I think it's what defense attorneys might argue, and it

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Speaker 11: sort of ducktails into them bringing up Cassie being threatening

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Speaker 11: and threatening to kill this guy, which you referenced earlier.

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Speaker 11: I think it's sort of a narrative that defense is

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Speaker 11: trying to run to show that hey, she wasn't this

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Speaker 11: meek little mouse who would just go along with what

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Speaker 11: anybody said. She stood up for herself and surely that

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Speaker 11: that is not an example of that. But defense is

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Speaker 11: saying there are examples of that.

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Speaker 6: He is a vile, greedy abuser.

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Speaker 10: Seawan Colmes controlled every part of her life.

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Speaker 12: He's very much in control.

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Speaker 6: It's like he was a film director. All of that

515
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Speaker 6: is planned.

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Speaker 12: Puffy plants his life like a movie and he's the

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Speaker 12: director on the stuff.

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Speaker 1: Straw that to Sidney Sumner joining us along with Lauren

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Speaker 1: Collin with the very latest from the courtroom. Sidney Sumner,

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Speaker 1: what else did you learn from the testimony today, Nathy?

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Speaker 2: An interesting part of testimony was listening to a recording

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Speaker 2: of Passy threatening to kill someone who had possibly seen

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Speaker 2: a sexually explicit video of her. Now Casey was talking

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Speaker 2: to a DJ at a party in Atlantic City, New Jersey,

525
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Speaker 2: and he mentioned that he had seen what she assumed

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Speaker 2: was a freak off tape featuring her. Now she goes

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Speaker 2: in the panic vote, she texts Diddy about it. He's

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Speaker 2: telling her to get as much information as she can.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to put wraps on this without involving their

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Speaker 2: crisis management team because nobody knows about these freak offs.

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Speaker 2: It's just her and Calms allegedly.

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Speaker 1: At least, so every single thing she's ever done or said,

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Speaker 1: the very worst is coming out in court. You know,

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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin. Again, we're not talking about nuns and priests

535
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Speaker 1: and virgins. That's not who's up on the stand right now. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Cassie is about to give birth to her third child.

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Speaker 3: She's a married lady.

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Speaker 1: But there was a time that she did drugs with

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Speaker 1: Sean Combs and she was in free coughs. She says

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Speaker 1: at his demand. Are you surprised that a woman said,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you if you publicize a video of

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Speaker 1: me and a freak cough with paid sex workers, I

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Speaker 1: Am going to kill you.

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Speaker 3: There will not.

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Speaker 1: Even be a smudge of you left behind.

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Speaker 3: Listen to me. Are you that surprised that she said that.

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Speaker 5: I'm not surprised at all at all, Nancy. This is

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Speaker 5: her reaction to someone who's about to destroy her life.

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Speaker 5: She's never had to deal with this before, and it's

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Speaker 5: a spontaneous utterance to this person about Hey, I'm going

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Speaker 5: to kill you about this tape. She didn't mean that.

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Speaker 5: I doubt she meant that at all. But she's in

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Speaker 5: a world, and this tape's about to go out. It's

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Speaker 5: going to ruin her career. It's going to ruin her

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Speaker 5: singing anything to do with movies.

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Speaker 3: This is a problem for her, and you got to

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Speaker 3: think about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean think about it, doctor Cheryl Eric Joining us

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Speaker 1: clinical forensic psychologist, who put her in that position to

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Speaker 1: start with. I mean, doctor Cheryl, you're so prim and proper.

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Speaker 1: Let me just ask you. Have you ever shot a

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Speaker 1: bird at somebody in traffic?

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Speaker 9: And once I must confess yes, I absolutely have.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I have.

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Speaker 1: What if that person had a video going of you

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Speaker 1: and you had this angry face and you like making

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Speaker 1: an angry face and.

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Speaker 3: You shoot a bird and they get it on video.

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Speaker 1: And threaten to like put it on your wag in

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Speaker 1: your website and publicize it that one moment where you're

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Speaker 1: angry and you react.

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Speaker 3: And here this is getting brought in front of a jury.

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Speaker 3: I mean, nobody's going to going to break at oh.

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Speaker 3: And I get it.

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Speaker 1: The defense has got to try to discredit her, But

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Speaker 1: I really feel for her.

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Speaker 9: I do too. Women are expected to be perfect victims.

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Speaker 9: If women are not perfect when they're being victims, they're

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Speaker 9: not believed they're they're very often there it's mitigating for

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Speaker 9: the perpetrator. And I think what we're seeing here very

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Speaker 9: often our fawning responses. What we're learning is that everybody

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Speaker 9: knows about fight or flight, but one of the other

583
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Speaker 9: things that the nervous system does to survive a situation

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Speaker 9: is fawn when you can't escape and you have a

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Speaker 9: perpetrator there, and you know if you fought back that

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Speaker 9: things got more violent, which she has testified to wanting

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Speaker 9: to be pleasing, wanting to not make the perpetrator angry,

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Speaker 9: wanting him to see you as human or remember that

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Speaker 9: he cared about you. These are survival responses that the

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Speaker 9: autonomic nervous system does. This is the body saying this

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Speaker 9: is how I'm going.

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Speaker 6: To survive.

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Speaker 3: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Brett Brown joining me executive director, Surviving Assault, Standing Strong.

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Speaker 3: How about both things are true.

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Speaker 1: I'm not claiming that Cassie Ventira is an angel, that

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Speaker 1: she's never done anything wrong.

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Speaker 3: And yes, I think she did threaten that.

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Speaker 1: Person, threatened to kill them if they released a video

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Speaker 1: of her buck naked having sex with paid sex workers.

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Speaker 3: Brought into the jurisdiction by Seawan Combs Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think she said I'm gonna kill you and then

603
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Speaker 1: he's gonna kill you all over again.

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Speaker 3: I think that happened. So can that be true?

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Speaker 1: And can it be true that Sean Combs forced her

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Speaker 1: and others? There's gonna be other female victims on the

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Speaker 1: stand to participate in free coughs rapes, transported sex workers

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Speaker 1: in from other states, which is interstate prostitution, which is

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Speaker 1: a federal crime in the indictment, and had a loose

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Speaker 1: federation his cronies that made all this happen, that went

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Speaker 1: to go buy the baby oil, that set up the lighting,

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Speaker 1: that arranged travel for the sex workers.

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Speaker 3: All those people are part of rico.

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Speaker 1: Everybody getting together, even loosely, to make something illegal happen.

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Speaker 3: Right, So can both those things be true? Can she

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Speaker 3: have free to kill somebody and he's guilty?

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Speaker 10: Yes, both of those things definitely are true. And I

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Speaker 10: think we're missing a really important part here when it

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Speaker 10: comes to that video footage in this DJ when she

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Speaker 10: yelled at him and said I'm going to kill you.

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Speaker 10: It's more than just her feelings about being exposed for

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Speaker 10: being a part of these freak offs. Remember who she

623
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Speaker 10: has to answer to, Sean Combe said, find out as

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Speaker 10: much as you can to stop this from happening. If

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Speaker 10: that video got leaked, guess who was going to pay

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Speaker 10: for it.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't going to be that DJ. It was going

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Speaker 6: to be Cassie Ventura. And she knew that.

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Speaker 10: So when we're talking about her feelings and I really

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Speaker 10: hate using that word in this instance, that was fear.

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Speaker 10: She had to make it stop, and she had to

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Speaker 10: do it convincingly. And where did she learn those threats from.

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Speaker 10: She learned it from somebody who does them very very well. Additionally,

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Speaker 10: it's so fascinating to me, especially when we talk about

635
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Speaker 10: shades of gray and the law. As was mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 10: this discrediting of the victim. There's this weird cultural thing

637
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Speaker 10: where by putting up anything she's been a part of, drugs, whatever,

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Speaker 10: that don't make her a perfect person, which none of

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Speaker 10: us are. What they're actually saying is somehow your choices

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Speaker 10: and you're less than perfect moments make it okay for

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Speaker 10: someone to force you and to rape you and to

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Speaker 10: do all of these horrible things.

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Speaker 6: That's what we're actually hearing.

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Speaker 1: We are standing by at the courthouse with the latest

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Speaker 1: to Sydney Sumner, Baby Oil again in the courtroom.

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Speaker 3: Why Nancy.

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Speaker 2: That was brought up again to dispel a few rumors

648
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Speaker 2: surrounding this case. So Kelsey testifies that drugs were never

649
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Speaker 2: in the baby oil that was used in the freak offs.

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Speaker 2: The baby oil was not laced with anything. It was

651
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Speaker 2: just baby oil. Though they did take drugs.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, you're telling me there were no drugs in

653
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Speaker 1: the baby oil.

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Speaker 3: It was just.

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Speaker 1: An old school rape on camera. Okay, that makes it

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Speaker 1: all better. There's still the claims, the allegations and supported

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Speaker 1: by many many female victims that they had a few

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Speaker 1: SIPs of a drink and suddenly they woke up with

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Speaker 1: their vaginas and their rear ends herting because their drinks

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Speaker 1: had been laced with GHB or something akin to gamma

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Speaker 1: hydroxy but rate.

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Speaker 3: But back to the baby oil listen.

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Speaker 13: Cassie says Combs wanted her glistening at all times and

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Speaker 13: had her reapply heated baby oil as often as every

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Speaker 13: five minutes, and during one performance, even made her get

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Speaker 13: into a.

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Speaker 6: Kiddie pool of baby oil.

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Speaker 13: Afterwards, staff members were charged with cleaning up but with

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Speaker 13: baby oil and bodily fluids all over the floors, walls,

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Speaker 13: and door handles.

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Speaker 3: Combs was frequently charged.

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Speaker 13: For damages to hotel rooms, negotiations handled by Comb's assistants.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it doesn't end there.

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Speaker 1: Harvey Levin, our friend over at TMZ, got a hold

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Speaker 1: of Agnafello, the lead defense attorney, about baby oil.

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Speaker 14: Listen, they call them freak offs. But you know, back

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Speaker 14: when I was a kid in the late seventies, they

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Speaker 14: were called threesomes.

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Speaker 12: If these are genuinely threesomes, how do you explain a

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Speaker 12: thousand bottles of baby oil?

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Speaker 14: I don't know where the number one thousand.

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Speaker 12: Came, the US attorney said it.

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Speaker 14: I can't imagine it's thousands. I mean, you know, and

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Speaker 14: I'm not really sure what the baby oil has to

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Speaker 14: do with anything.

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Speaker 12: They're essentially saying it's a lubricant for an orgy. I

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Speaker 12: guess I don't know what you need.

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Speaker 14: A thousand one bottle of baby oil goes a long way.

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Speaker 12: I don't know what you need to need a thousand for.

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Speaker 14: I mean, he has a big house.

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Speaker 12: He buys in bulk. You know.

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Speaker 14: I think they have costcos in every place where he

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Speaker 14: has a home. I mean, have you sat in the

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Speaker 14: parking lot of a costco and see what people walk

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Speaker 14: out of there.

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Speaker 12: With not a thousand bottles of baby oil.

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Speaker 14: I don't think it was a thousand.

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Speaker 3: I think it was.

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Speaker 12: I think it was. Let's just say it's a lot.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, that's references at TMZ.

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Speaker 1: That is the lead defense attorney getting let me just

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Speaker 1: say a rien job from Harvey eleven. Another day, in

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Speaker 1: the Federal courthouse in Manhattan, Shawn Combs on trial and

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Speaker 1: a multi count fed indictment including rico and sex trafficking

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Speaker 1: to Sydney summer.

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Speaker 3: How did Prince Harry?

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Speaker 1: How did he get sucked in to Diddy's cesspool?

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Speaker 2: Well, Nancy, Prince Harry was mentioned right at the beginning

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Speaker 2: of this case exploding. So we saw Kafy filesuit against

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Speaker 2: Seawan Colmes in November of twenty twenty three, and then

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Speaker 2: the next big lawsuit came from Rodney Little Rob Jones.

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Speaker 2: This is a producer that was working with Comb's on

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Speaker 2: his latest album and he filed a seventy three page

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Speaker 2: lawsuit against Sean Holmes. And in that lawsuit he mentioned

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Speaker 2: that Combe's connections to big celebrities and even British Royalty

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Speaker 2: gave him legitimacy so that he could use his parties

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Speaker 2: in his events to cover up crimes like freak off parties.

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Speaker 1: And now Prince Harry love him or hate him, him

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Speaker 1: and his wife Megan and lover or Hayter. At least

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Speaker 1: she's got a job, right, at least she's working.

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Speaker 3: Let's just put that out there. Core documents revealing Prince

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Speaker 3: Harry claimed front.

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Speaker 1: Page stories about him and Ditty had quote hugely negative

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Speaker 1: impact on his mental health and that of his wife

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Speaker 1: and children. Who wants to be on the front page

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Speaker 1: of a magazine.

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Speaker 3: With Ditty at a party? I don't so.

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Speaker 1: Now Ditty has sucked Prince Harry into his sex trafficking

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Speaker 1: claim cesspool this as Justin Bieber makes a bombshell announcement

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Speaker 1: after a lot of speculation he had been abused by

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Speaker 1: Shawn Combs. He comes out and says, no, I was

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Speaker 1: never abused by Sean Combs.

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Speaker 3: What else did he say? Sidney Sumner?

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Speaker 2: Justin acknowledged that many people maybe were victimized by Ditty

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Speaker 2: and they deserve justice. But Justin says he never even

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Speaker 2: really had a relationship with Combs. All of the videos

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Speaker 2: that we've seen of him appearing with Combs were basically performances,

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Speaker 2: and he really only had a relationship with Combe's children,

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Speaker 2: Quincy and Justin.

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Speaker 3: You know, Crispin.

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Speaker 1: Second verse, same as the first, Nothing new under the sun.

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Speaker 1: Once again, an alleged rape victim is being dragged through

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Speaker 1: the mud.

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Speaker 3: Same thing. It happens every time, Crispin. Don't you ever

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Speaker 3: get tired of it?

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Speaker 5: Sadly, it happens all the time from these defense attorneys,

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Speaker 5: and they try to turn the jury against the victim

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Speaker 5: to make the victim look like the bad person. I

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Speaker 5: don't think it's going to work in this, I really don't.

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Speaker 5: I think every single one of these questions that are

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Speaker 5: going to her right now from the defense is turning

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Speaker 5: off the jury. It really is.

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Speaker 6: She is a true victim.

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Speaker 5: I feel horrible for her, and I think the jury's

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Speaker 5: going to start seeing through it as each of these

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Speaker 5: other additional victims come forward. You're going to see a pattern.

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Speaker 5: Everybody has a pattern, and I think it's all laying

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Speaker 5: out right now. But yeah, jury, they're gonna make their

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Speaker 5: own determination.

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Speaker 12: Trust me.

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Speaker 3: I can only pray.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,