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Welcome back to I Choose Me. 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:48.640 Amy Roebuck is a complete inspiration to me, choosing to 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.320 pick up the pieces of her life at fifty and 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:57.040 starting fresh after shocking misinformation headlines rocked her world. Here's 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.000 the rest of our conversation. Okay, can we talk about 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.960 journalism for a minute, because, like you said before, you've 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.840 been a reporter for almost three decades, right, Okay, so 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.120 you've seen it all change, You've seen news change, you've 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:15.200 seen the media change. How do you find reliable information 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.600 with so much disinformation out there? 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:23.040 That is such a good question everywhere, And I'm telling 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.600 you right now it's so interesting. So TJ and I, 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.760 when you're in it and you're at ABC News and 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.520 you know what you're responsible for, and you know your 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:34.080 colleagues and you're watching everyone, it's one thing having now 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.840 taken a step back and now, Actually, because I never 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:44.240 had time to watch other networks or. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:43.960 Right programs, I wasn't. I was. 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:48.040 We were just immersed in our news collecting. But now 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.520 that we're responsible our podcast now, I mean DJ, Like 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:53.359 I said, we basically put up this little mini news 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.560 network and part of what we do from three am 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.359 in the morning until honestly about five pm at night, 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.720 we have three TVs on and we are watching all 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:03.080 the news. 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.799 And it is remarkable when you have Fox News. 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:12.000 CNN, local affiliates, different types of news organizations, and you 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.880 see how they write stories, what their headlines are clickbait, 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.520 because now we're going through, you know, from the Washington 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:20.440 Post to the New York Times, to the Wall Street 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.960 Journal to local papers and in a way that I 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.640 feel like I haven't done since I was on cable news, 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.120 and I'm telling you it's hard and you can't. I 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.079 just would say this, I don't care who the sources 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:36.200 or how reputable the organization is. Never ever, just like 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.880 a doctor, you always get a second opinion. I would 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.640 just say, in fact, if you're going to read the 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.680 New York Times, read the Wall Street Journal's version of it, 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.680 if you're going to watch CNN, flip over to to 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.840 Fox News see what they're saying. You will see right 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:58.280 away what the different perspectives are and then you can decide. 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.680 But if you just say I'm a New York Times 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.400 guy and I'm MSN. Now, I guess it's MS Now 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.280 you're only watching news to reinforce what you already think 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:08.640 is right. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:10.280 I would just challenge. 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:15.120 Folks, watch the enemy, watch or read what you think 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.719 is fake news, and just take it in and let 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.320 trust yourself enough to be smart enough to see maybe 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:25.320 where the truth lies somewhere in between. But I will 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.080 tell you it's tough, and that TJ and I really 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.680 try not to. We offer our perspective, and I think 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.440 with this administration it can be tough for journalists because 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.040 sometimes I would argue, for us, it's not about politics. 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.839 It's sometimes it's about presentation, it's about word choice. You 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:44.719 can talk about decency and not actually have it be 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.719 about politics, and so are there is room that we 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.800 didn't have it network to talk about those types of 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:52.760 things because it'd be perceived as being partisan. 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:54.000 But I think it's fair. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.360 I think we have to be able to talk about yeah, 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.960 definitely to each other and words now, yeah, Dave does that. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:04.240 I'll walk in one minute, he's watching you know, CNN, 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.080 And the next minute I'll walk in and he'll be 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:07.400 watching Fox News and I'm like. 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:08.240 What's going on here? 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.599 Where are you settling? But he's like, yeah, I want 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.640 to see both people's opinions. 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.240 And that is that you got day will we know, 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:16.919 Dave of David? 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.400 That is I got chills because if more people would 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.800 do that, right, just be like that. And I know 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.200 that takes work. That takes it's almost taking on a 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.400 responsibility of acknowledging that. Yes, I mean, I think we 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.000 all know you're gonna get very different even if you just. 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:33.960 Look at the lower third. That's what we call that, 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:35.279 Like the banner is below. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:36.479 Yeah, the thing that's arousing. 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.480 See, so they'll be both becovering. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:42.000 Christy Nome, which is a big story, uh this week 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.400 when we're recording this, Christine Gnome has been fired by 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:45.120 President Trump. 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.080 If you see what the CNN banner says versus what 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.480 the Fox News banner says, it's actually fun. DJ and 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:53.520 I actually enjoy We laugh. Oh my god. 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:58.119 Look at the difference the same story, two completely different 0:05:58.120 --> 0:05:59.000 ways of looking at it. 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:00.240 I find it fast. 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.200 It is kind of fun but also kind of aggravating. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.760 Well, yes, because you know that most people aren't going 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.920 back and forth and aren't taking both sides. In they 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:14.680 look my My grandma, but before she passed was an 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.480 avid Fox News fan, and I have worked for MSNBC 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:23.480 ABC News and she she when. 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.240 I think when I was at MSNBC, she would say, 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.280 do you ever watch Fox News? Amy? 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.799 And I said, I absolutely do, Grandma, because I always 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:31.760 like to see what everyone's saying. And I said, do 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.640 you ever watch watch CNN, Grandma? No, I do not, 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:37.400 And I was like, well, I would challenge you to 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:42.600 do so, Grandma, So no, I do not. No, I 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:43.040 do not. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.080 But that is That's that's most people. I get it. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.000 You want to feel like what you think is right 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.719 is also what the folks on TV are telling you 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:53.080 is right. 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:54.880 It feels safe, I get. 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.480 It, feels like good advice. I love what you're saying. 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:02.400 How can we, as you know, views, shield ourselves from 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.120 the doom scroll and the constant flood of bad news 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:10.920 that we're seeing everywhere and preserve some sort of will 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:11.360 to live? 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:16.360 Like quite honestly, it's overwhelming, and even TJ and I like, 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.200 as we're like in the thick of it, He'll be 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.160 kim me please just like not have any That's why, honestly, 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.320 I think that's why we like horror movies a lot. 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:25.360 It's a palate cleanser, if that makes any sense that 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.640 sounds I know. But we'll either watch Ninety Day Fiance 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:34.160 or Final Destination. You know, it's like something that is 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.600 completely outrageous. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:37.840 Just and takes you out of it different. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.720 Yes, my brother is a he was an emergency room 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:42.120 doctor for a long time. He's a position. 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.280 But he used to come home and his sons would 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:45.960 make fun of him and watch the Real Housewives of 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:46.600 Beverly Hills. 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.280 He's like, I have to I have to, like. 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.680 Just get all this stuff out of my head and 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.680 just depressed. So I would suggest everyone have your fun 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.200 guilty pleasure, but maybe just put a time limit on it, 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.640 you know, say I'm I'm gonna look at the news 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.120 from you know, from this time to this time. But 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.680 it is so tempting because yes, we get news alerts 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.880 on our phone what's happening, And my goodness, this isn't 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.840 an exaggeration. Having been in the business now for almost 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.280 three decades, I have never seen a news cycle ever. 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.400 We have never seen a new cycle like we've seen 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:23.400 the past twelve months. It's non stop today. Even we 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.240 were we got our we get up again. 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.960 At three o'clock in the morning. We basically we're finished taping. 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.840 We put together several podcasts to day news of today, 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:34.240 and we were like, cool, we got this, and we 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:35.600 always say boring breaking news. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:37.360 We got our podcast done. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.960 We had to come back and record two unforeseen podcasts 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:45.080 later because just the news, it's this isn't just small stuff. 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:45.880 This is big. 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:50.640 We're at war, people are being fired, people are dying 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.520 in the streets of our country. I mean, this is 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:57.640 just this is not little silly, gossipy stuff. This is major, serious, 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:01.760 life altering events that are happening. It feels like hourly. 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.760 So yes, it is overwhelming. And I don't know what 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.640 the answer is except for that to just enjoy those 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.480 guilty pleasures, make sure you got some palate cleansers up 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:11.880 your sleeve, and just know how to. 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.960 How to just get away from it for a while. 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.440 You can't be in it NonStop. 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.400 You can't. It's so damaging. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:24.240 It truly is. 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:26.440 And I used to always say this too, because I 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.520 think a lot of people, especially when you're hustling and 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:34.240 you're I used to brag about about not taking my 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:39.560 vacation days. It's ridiculous and I one of my big takeaways. 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.480 From all of this is take the vacation days and 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:43.480 ask for more. 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:46.360 Like, instead of asking for a raise, ask for an 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.640 extra week of vacation. Just find a way to make 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.920 sure you take care of yourself and you protect your peace, 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:59.040 and you don't forget to have fun, don't forget to 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:02.280 to feel carefree and careless. It's okay not to constantly 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:06.520 be worried about things you actually can't control. 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.520 That's good advice. Yes, you're full of it. I mean 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:12.160 good advice. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.400 Now you know you've lived enough life right at that 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:22.000 point where yes, hard earned, I still have to remind. 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.680 Myself of I know when you left ABC, I was 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.599 waiting because I was a fan. I was waiting to 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.800 see where you would land on television. Yeah, and I'm 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:37.320 sure you had opportunities along the way, but you really 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:41.880 chose to pivot like you did, an intentional pivot at 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.959 some point. And I just, you know, I think that 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:50.640 that's such an important message for women, and to be 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.360 inspired by other women who have pivoted and had, you know, 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.200 another round of success in their lives. 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.120 You you know what I am? I did. 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:04.960 I did have actually a very tempting offer, but I will. 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:05.840 Say this that. 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:11.640 I remember feeling it in my chest like tightness, and 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.200 feel like I didn't want to put myself back out 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.120 there in that way. And I think after feeling like 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.160 I was twisting in the wind and people were taking 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.400 their shots, I didn't want to give them another chance. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.520 I didn't want to have people rooting for my failure 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.760 because and maybe that was just in my head, but 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.640 I just I didn't. I just wasn't ready to put 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:35.800 myself back into that spotlight. I feel so good about 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.000 what we're doing here, and doing it with the person 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.480 I love, and honestly, look, I'm not saying that he 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.839 and I wouldn't do our own thing. Of course, if 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.559 something important, like something really special and meaningful came along, 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.840 we would both consider it, and I love that we 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.360 could each have our own thing. But we love working 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:56.800 together so much. That's what made for me my career 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.040 worth something again, was getting to do with somebody who's 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.600 as talented as he is, who I get along with 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.800 as much as I do. We just have fun even 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:10.520 when we're talking about hard stuff. We still managed to 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:14.080 enjoy telling stories even when they're hard ones. When we 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.880 can tell them together, and so I just I can't 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:21.319 see something taking me away from that, And if another 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.760 opportunity had to take me away from that, it's just 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:25.480 not worth it to me. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.240 Right, I mean, I see you traveling, you're you know, 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:35.000 working remotely from beautiful destinations. What I mean, geez, that 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:35.880 sounds nice. 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.320 We did the podcast from Stockholm, Sweden and ran a 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:42.079 half marathon and worked every day, but it was like not, 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.520 It's like we call them workations. We go down to 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.720 Tricks and caicos. We're just in Mexico, worked every single day. 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.320 Haven't missed a day of work since we started these podcasts. 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:53.480 But we get to do them. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.320 We can just have bureaus all around the world wherever 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:57.640 we are, and we've got a system. 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.959 Now we're figuring it out. We're learning so many skills. 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:05.480 TJ is like, now become like this masterful like editor 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.320 with videos he's putting up. We're learning all of these 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.199 incredibles because we've had to. And that's kind of cool 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.480 that we're you know, you can teach an old dog nutricks. 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:24.480 Apparently, you know you have settled down now things have 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:29.360 settled down, You're in a groove with your career, with 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:33.640 your relationship. That's got to feel amazing. I know it 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.480 took me a long time to get back into my groove, 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.679 and you know it's there's something nice about seeing your 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:46.800 significant your ex significant others find their groove too. Do 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.960 you think that that's given you some peace because I 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:50.680 felt that way. 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.840 I'm never rooting for anyone to fail. I really am not. 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:58.240 I've never been that. I've never felt vengeful or wanting 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.280 someone to suffer. I just look, I'm not saying I'm 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.720 a perfect person, but I've just never had that in me. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:08.920 So I always would root for. We root for ABC, 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.000 we root for Good Morning America, we root for all 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:18.920 of our colleagues. We root for I'll root for everybody. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:22.680 Even people who've hurt me. I hope that they because 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.360 I know I've hurt people inadvertently. 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.040 Like we all are responsible for our own actions, and 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:31.960 we're responsible for how we feel about others, and I 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.600 just I do. I believe in karma and all of that, 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.840 So I wish everyone the best. 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.280 That's all you can do. Otherwise it just eats you up, and. 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:43.960 You're the one who suffers. 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.960 Yeah, if you hold on to that hatred, you're the 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.320 one who suffers, and I look, I think, look, our 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:50.320 kids are watching us. 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.760 Our kids are watching us go through tough times. 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:56.600 Especially now you have young adult kids like I do. 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:58.760 They're watching us closer than ever. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.360 Absolutely, And you know, saw me go through one of 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.720 the toughest, well the toughest time of my life. 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:08.800 And my oldest ava is twenty three. 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.760 She's an aspiring actress, and I was like this, you know, 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.000 just to see the spotlight cut both ways. 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:17.520 That's an important lesson to learn. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:21.480 You know, you can't, they say, if you if you 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.720 get caught up in all the good press, you also 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:25.360 then are going to get caught up in all the 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:25.880 bad press. 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:26.440 Like you can't. 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.640 You have to be able to insulate yourself from that 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:35.040 spotlight and the way you feel when it's warm and 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.800 fuzzy and everyone loves you and thinks you're great. You 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.160 can't make that be your worth. If that is your 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.400 worth man the moment the spotlight turns against you, and 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.600 it will eventually at some point, some way, somehow, maybe 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.560 not as spectacularly as it did. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.680 For me, But it's a good lesson to learn. 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.640 Yeah, that's I mean. I love that you're close with 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:59.200 your daughters and It's just, you know, I feel very 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.520 similar yours are. 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:03.680 You're right around the same age, right. 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.040 You have a twenty eight year old and then a 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.720 twenty three and twenty year old. 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.200 Okay, I have a twenty three and she's turning twenty next. 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.160 Month, so yes, I almost twenty. 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.320 How do you have a twenty eight year old that 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.080 I don't know? That is incredible? 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.280 I hang out with her and I'm like, who's the mom? 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:23.920 Like how did this happen? 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.240 I know, I know, and that feels like, you know 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:27.600 what's so funny? Though, I just want to say to 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:28.200 you too. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:32.640 Because I like, we're the same age. But man, I 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.720 was obsessed, obsessed with nine o two one zero, and 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.600 I was so like I always think about maybe even 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.800 my high school friends listening to this podcast and thinking, oh. 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.360 My god, you're Jenny Cart. 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:47.960 But it's just I have to say, like, you were 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.800 someone that I certainly looked up to, and all of 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.200 your success happened so young. I mean, to be able 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.120 to be where you are and have the beautiful children 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.120 and family and success that you've had, because you know, 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.440 so when you were you were thrust into the spotlight. 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.600 So I can't even imagine I had to deal with 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.159 my stuff, and I was a grown as adult. You know, 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.720 you were dealing with all of that paparazzi and all 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:12.760 of that pressure and all of that when you were 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.760 so young. I cannot imagine what you went through in 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:18.439 the lessons you had to learn so early. 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.159 It's been a learning curve my whole life. It's been 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.640 a learning curve. But I feel like now I'm catching up, 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.520 you know. But that's what you do at this beautiful 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:31.720 age of ours, and thank you for that. That means 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:32.280 a lot to me. 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:36.280 Oh my god, I was obsessed with you. So she's 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.920 so beautiful. I wanted to see you. 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:41.560 Oh my gosh. 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.280 I had nine or two posters in my dorm room, 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:48.679 like that is it one hundred percent of Dylan Brendan Well. 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.320 I had Brendan and my roommate had Dylan, and we 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:52.520 both had we had I. 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:53.960 We had like competing posters. 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:58.520 So it was yeah, it was very We were really 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.000 into the show. You. 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:01.919 I have to ask you. I just did an interview 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.800 with Joan London. We have people that you're obsessed with. 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.440 After my interview with Well, I read her book and 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:12.280 then I did the interview and she so magical, this 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:16.720 woman and such a legend in her field. And I 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:20.399 know you didn't work with her directly, right or did you? 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:22.320 I didn't work with her directly, but I know her 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.720 pretty well. We've spent yuess. I mean, obviously she also 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.720 went through breast cancer, and so we have many many 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.800 times been at the same event, at the same table, 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.560 and so we shared stories and she is a met 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:40.119 her daughters. I think I did I give her an award? 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.280 Maybe she gave me an award. Yes, breast cancer community 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.440 here in New York too. We all know each other 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:50.159 really really well. But oh Joan London, please, ABC was 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.640 always on in my house and Charlie and oh all 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:53.840 of that. 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.359 Yes, did she ever give you advice? Because her book 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.400 is full of like nuggets, Did she ever give you 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.160 advice that you were like, I'm going to take that, 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:03.240 I'm going. 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:03.639 To keep that. 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:04.520 I'm trying to she. 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.080 I mean, she is, she is a she's been through it, 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.760 and she was man. She was in a newsroom and look, 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:14.160 I went through enough coming up in newsrooms and getting 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.359 into network news when I was twenty nine years old 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:17.760 and going through. 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:18.680 All of that. 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.480 But she was, you know, a generation before and I 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:26.320 just hearing her talk about how women were treated, what 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:27.879 she went through, and I know she writes about it 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:32.959 in her book, but she was you had to you 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.440 had to not emasculate the men but still hold your own. 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.320 And she just had this perfect balance of maybe and 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.440 it was hard earned, but learning how to navigate all 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:46.560 of that, and she did it with grace, with class 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.760 as a mom. I mean, I loved hearing her talk 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.600 about bringing her daughters to work with her and all. 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.560 And I mean, my daughters grew up on the Today 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.040 Show set because I was there for nine years first, 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:01.119 so they they I just she and I talked a 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:05.240 lot about balancing motherhood with the business. And the irony 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:06.840 is that I just spent my whole life jumping on 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.040 planes and reacting and having to go around the world 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.200 when my kids are little and feeling all this mom guilt. 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:16.159 And then my daughters leave for college. I lose my career, right. 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:17.919 But I could like travel the world and do all 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:19.280 this stuff. I was like, I want to go to war. 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.000 I never I signed up to do some more correspondent work, 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:23.480 but I thought I'll wait till my kids are I 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:25.359 was like, well, I guess all of that just wasn't 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:26.040 meant to be, but. 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:26.720 It meant to be. 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:30.760 No, But that's where I really drew inspiration from Joan 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:36.040 was just how she balanced motherhood and such a demanding career. 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:36.840