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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Welcome back to I Choose Me.
Speaker 1: Amy Roebuck is a complete inspiration to me, choosing to
Speaker 1: pick up the pieces of her life at fifty and
Speaker 1: starting fresh after shocking misinformation headlines rocked her world. Here's
Speaker 1: the rest of our conversation. Okay, can we talk about
Speaker 1: journalism for a minute, because, like you said before, you've
Speaker 1: been a reporter for almost three decades, right, Okay, so
Speaker 1: you've seen it all change, You've seen news change, you've
Speaker 1: seen the media change. How do you find reliable information
Speaker 1: with so much disinformation out there?
Speaker 2: That is such a good question everywhere, And I'm telling
Speaker 2: you right now it's so interesting. So TJ and I,
Speaker 2: when you're in it and you're at ABC News and
Speaker 2: you know what you're responsible for, and you know your
Speaker 2: colleagues and you're watching everyone, it's one thing having now
Speaker 2: taken a step back and now, Actually, because I never
Speaker 2: had time to watch other networks or.
Speaker 3: Right programs, I wasn't. I was.
Speaker 2: We were just immersed in our news collecting. But now
Speaker 2: that we're responsible our podcast now, I mean DJ, Like
Speaker 2: I said, we basically put up this little mini news
Speaker 2: network and part of what we do from three am
Speaker 2: in the morning until honestly about five pm at night,
Speaker 2: we have three TVs on and we are watching all
Speaker 2: the news.
Speaker 3: And it is remarkable when you have Fox News.
Speaker 2: CNN, local affiliates, different types of news organizations, and you
Speaker 2: see how they write stories, what their headlines are clickbait,
Speaker 2: because now we're going through, you know, from the Washington
Speaker 2: Post to the New York Times, to the Wall Street
Speaker 2: Journal to local papers and in a way that I
Speaker 2: feel like I haven't done since I was on cable news,
Speaker 2: and I'm telling you it's hard and you can't. I
Speaker 2: just would say this, I don't care who the sources
Speaker 2: or how reputable the organization is. Never ever, just like
Speaker 2: a doctor, you always get a second opinion. I would
Speaker 2: just say, in fact, if you're going to read the
Speaker 2: New York Times, read the Wall Street Journal's version of it,
Speaker 2: if you're going to watch CNN, flip over to to
Speaker 2: Fox News see what they're saying. You will see right
Speaker 2: away what the different perspectives are and then you can decide.
Speaker 2: But if you just say I'm a New York Times
Speaker 2: guy and I'm MSN. Now, I guess it's MS Now
Speaker 2: you're only watching news to reinforce what you already think
Speaker 2: is right.
Speaker 3: I would just challenge.
Speaker 2: Folks, watch the enemy, watch or read what you think
Speaker 2: is fake news, and just take it in and let
Speaker 2: trust yourself enough to be smart enough to see maybe
Speaker 2: where the truth lies somewhere in between. But I will
Speaker 2: tell you it's tough, and that TJ and I really
Speaker 2: try not to. We offer our perspective, and I think
Speaker 2: with this administration it can be tough for journalists because
Speaker 2: sometimes I would argue, for us, it's not about politics.
Speaker 2: It's sometimes it's about presentation, it's about word choice. You
Speaker 2: can talk about decency and not actually have it be
Speaker 2: about politics, and so are there is room that we
Speaker 2: didn't have it network to talk about those types of
Speaker 2: things because it'd be perceived as being partisan.
Speaker 3: But I think it's fair.
Speaker 2: I think we have to be able to talk about yeah,
Speaker 2: definitely to each other and words now, yeah, Dave does that.
Speaker 1: I'll walk in one minute, he's watching you know, CNN,
Speaker 1: And the next minute I'll walk in and he'll be
Speaker 1: watching Fox News and I'm like.
Speaker 3: What's going on here?
Speaker 1: Where are you settling? But he's like, yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to see both people's opinions.
Speaker 3: And that is that you got day will we know,
Speaker 3: Dave of David?
Speaker 2: That is I got chills because if more people would
Speaker 2: do that, right, just be like that. And I know
Speaker 2: that takes work. That takes it's almost taking on a
Speaker 2: responsibility of acknowledging that. Yes, I mean, I think we
Speaker 2: all know you're gonna get very different even if you just.
Speaker 3: Look at the lower third. That's what we call that,
Speaker 3: Like the banner is below.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing that's arousing.
Speaker 3: See, so they'll be both becovering.
Speaker 2: Christy Nome, which is a big story, uh this week
Speaker 2: when we're recording this, Christine Gnome has been fired by
Speaker 2: President Trump.
Speaker 3: If you see what the CNN banner says versus what
Speaker 3: the Fox News banner says, it's actually fun. DJ and
Speaker 3: I actually enjoy We laugh. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Look at the difference the same story, two completely different
Speaker 2: ways of looking at it.
Speaker 3: I find it fast.
Speaker 1: It is kind of fun but also kind of aggravating.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, because you know that most people aren't going
Speaker 2: back and forth and aren't taking both sides. In they
Speaker 2: look my My grandma, but before she passed was an
Speaker 2: avid Fox News fan, and I have worked for MSNBC
Speaker 2: ABC News and she she when.
Speaker 3: I think when I was at MSNBC, she would say,
Speaker 3: do you ever watch Fox News? Amy?
Speaker 2: And I said, I absolutely do, Grandma, because I always
Speaker 2: like to see what everyone's saying. And I said, do
Speaker 2: you ever watch watch CNN, Grandma? No, I do not,
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, I would challenge you to
Speaker 2: do so, Grandma, So no, I do not. No, I
Speaker 2: do not.
Speaker 3: But that is That's that's most people. I get it.
Speaker 2: You want to feel like what you think is right
Speaker 2: is also what the folks on TV are telling you
Speaker 2: is right.
Speaker 3: It feels safe, I get.
Speaker 1: It, feels like good advice. I love what you're saying.
Speaker 1: How can we, as you know, views, shield ourselves from
Speaker 1: the doom scroll and the constant flood of bad news
Speaker 1: that we're seeing everywhere and preserve some sort of will
Speaker 1: to live?
Speaker 2: Like quite honestly, it's overwhelming, and even TJ and I like,
Speaker 2: as we're like in the thick of it, He'll be
Speaker 2: kim me please just like not have any That's why, honestly,
Speaker 2: I think that's why we like horror movies a lot.
Speaker 2: It's a palate cleanser, if that makes any sense that
Speaker 2: sounds I know. But we'll either watch Ninety Day Fiance
Speaker 2: or Final Destination. You know, it's like something that is
Speaker 2: completely outrageous.
Speaker 1: Just and takes you out of it different.
Speaker 3: Yes, my brother is a he was an emergency room
Speaker 3: doctor for a long time. He's a position.
Speaker 2: But he used to come home and his sons would
Speaker 2: make fun of him and watch the Real Housewives of
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3: He's like, I have to I have to, like.
Speaker 2: Just get all this stuff out of my head and
Speaker 2: just depressed. So I would suggest everyone have your fun
Speaker 2: guilty pleasure, but maybe just put a time limit on it,
Speaker 2: you know, say I'm I'm gonna look at the news
Speaker 2: from you know, from this time to this time. But
Speaker 2: it is so tempting because yes, we get news alerts
Speaker 2: on our phone what's happening, And my goodness, this isn't
Speaker 2: an exaggeration. Having been in the business now for almost
Speaker 2: three decades, I have never seen a news cycle ever.
Speaker 2: We have never seen a new cycle like we've seen
Speaker 2: the past twelve months. It's non stop today. Even we
Speaker 2: were we got our we get up again.
Speaker 3: At three o'clock in the morning. We basically we're finished taping.
Speaker 2: We put together several podcasts to day news of today,
Speaker 2: and we were like, cool, we got this, and we
Speaker 2: always say boring breaking news.
Speaker 3: We got our podcast done.
Speaker 2: We had to come back and record two unforeseen podcasts
Speaker 2: later because just the news, it's this isn't just small stuff.
Speaker 3: This is big.
Speaker 2: We're at war, people are being fired, people are dying
Speaker 2: in the streets of our country. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: just this is not little silly, gossipy stuff. This is major, serious,
Speaker 2: life altering events that are happening. It feels like hourly.
Speaker 2: So yes, it is overwhelming. And I don't know what
Speaker 2: the answer is except for that to just enjoy those
Speaker 2: guilty pleasures, make sure you got some palate cleansers up
Speaker 2: your sleeve, and just know how to.
Speaker 3: How to just get away from it for a while.
Speaker 3: You can't be in it NonStop.
Speaker 1: You can't. It's so damaging.
Speaker 3: It truly is.
Speaker 2: And I used to always say this too, because I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people, especially when you're hustling and
Speaker 2: you're I used to brag about about not taking my
Speaker 2: vacation days. It's ridiculous and I one of my big takeaways.
Speaker 3: From all of this is take the vacation days and
Speaker 3: ask for more.
Speaker 2: Like, instead of asking for a raise, ask for an
Speaker 2: extra week of vacation. Just find a way to make
Speaker 2: sure you take care of yourself and you protect your peace,
Speaker 2: and you don't forget to have fun, don't forget to
Speaker 2: to feel carefree and careless. It's okay not to constantly
Speaker 2: be worried about things you actually can't control.
Speaker 1: That's good advice. Yes, you're full of it. I mean
Speaker 1: good advice.
Speaker 2: Now you know you've lived enough life right at that
Speaker 2: point where yes, hard earned, I still have to remind.
Speaker 1: Myself of I know when you left ABC, I was
Speaker 1: waiting because I was a fan. I was waiting to
Speaker 1: see where you would land on television. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure you had opportunities along the way, but you really
Speaker 1: chose to pivot like you did, an intentional pivot at
Speaker 1: some point. And I just, you know, I think that
Speaker 1: that's such an important message for women, and to be
Speaker 1: inspired by other women who have pivoted and had, you know,
Speaker 1: another round of success in their lives.
Speaker 3: You you know what I am? I did.
Speaker 2: I did have actually a very tempting offer, but I will.
Speaker 3: Say this that.
Speaker 2: I remember feeling it in my chest like tightness, and
Speaker 2: feel like I didn't want to put myself back out
Speaker 2: there in that way. And I think after feeling like
Speaker 2: I was twisting in the wind and people were taking
Speaker 2: their shots, I didn't want to give them another chance.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to have people rooting for my failure
Speaker 2: because and maybe that was just in my head, but
Speaker 2: I just I didn't. I just wasn't ready to put
Speaker 2: myself back into that spotlight. I feel so good about
Speaker 2: what we're doing here, and doing it with the person
Speaker 2: I love, and honestly, look, I'm not saying that he
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't do our own thing. Of course, if
Speaker 2: something important, like something really special and meaningful came along,
Speaker 2: we would both consider it, and I love that we
Speaker 2: could each have our own thing. But we love working
Speaker 2: together so much. That's what made for me my career
Speaker 2: worth something again, was getting to do with somebody who's
Speaker 2: as talented as he is, who I get along with
Speaker 2: as much as I do. We just have fun even
Speaker 2: when we're talking about hard stuff. We still managed to
Speaker 2: enjoy telling stories even when they're hard ones. When we
Speaker 2: can tell them together, and so I just I can't
Speaker 2: see something taking me away from that, And if another
Speaker 2: opportunity had to take me away from that, it's just
Speaker 2: not worth it to me.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, I see you traveling, you're you know,
Speaker 1: working remotely from beautiful destinations. What I mean, geez, that
Speaker 1: sounds nice.
Speaker 2: We did the podcast from Stockholm, Sweden and ran a
Speaker 2: half marathon and worked every day, but it was like not,
Speaker 2: It's like we call them workations. We go down to
Speaker 2: Tricks and caicos. We're just in Mexico, worked every single day.
Speaker 2: Haven't missed a day of work since we started these podcasts.
Speaker 3: But we get to do them.
Speaker 2: We can just have bureaus all around the world wherever
Speaker 2: we are, and we've got a system.
Speaker 3: Now we're figuring it out. We're learning so many skills.
Speaker 2: TJ is like, now become like this masterful like editor
Speaker 2: with videos he's putting up. We're learning all of these
Speaker 2: incredibles because we've had to. And that's kind of cool
Speaker 2: that we're you know, you can teach an old dog nutricks.
Speaker 1: Apparently, you know you have settled down now things have
Speaker 1: settled down, You're in a groove with your career, with
Speaker 1: your relationship. That's got to feel amazing. I know it
Speaker 1: took me a long time to get back into my groove,
Speaker 1: and you know it's there's something nice about seeing your
Speaker 1: significant your ex significant others find their groove too. Do
Speaker 1: you think that that's given you some peace because I
Speaker 1: felt that way.
Speaker 2: I'm never rooting for anyone to fail. I really am not.
Speaker 2: I've never been that. I've never felt vengeful or wanting
Speaker 2: someone to suffer. I just look, I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 2: a perfect person, but I've just never had that in me.
Speaker 2: So I always would root for. We root for ABC,
Speaker 2: we root for Good Morning America, we root for all
Speaker 2: of our colleagues. We root for I'll root for everybody.
Speaker 3: Even people who've hurt me. I hope that they because
Speaker 3: I know I've hurt people inadvertently.
Speaker 2: Like we all are responsible for our own actions, and
Speaker 2: we're responsible for how we feel about others, and I
Speaker 2: just I do. I believe in karma and all of that,
Speaker 2: So I wish everyone the best.
Speaker 1: That's all you can do. Otherwise it just eats you up, and.
Speaker 3: You're the one who suffers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you hold on to that hatred, you're the
Speaker 2: one who suffers, and I look, I think, look, our
Speaker 2: kids are watching us.
Speaker 3: Our kids are watching us go through tough times.
Speaker 1: Especially now you have young adult kids like I do.
Speaker 1: They're watching us closer than ever.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know, saw me go through one of
Speaker 2: the toughest, well the toughest time of my life.
Speaker 3: And my oldest ava is twenty three.
Speaker 2: She's an aspiring actress, and I was like this, you know,
Speaker 2: just to see the spotlight cut both ways.
Speaker 3: That's an important lesson to learn.
Speaker 2: You know, you can't, they say, if you if you
Speaker 2: get caught up in all the good press, you also
Speaker 2: then are going to get caught up in all the
Speaker 2: bad press.
Speaker 3: Like you can't.
Speaker 2: You have to be able to insulate yourself from that
Speaker 2: spotlight and the way you feel when it's warm and
Speaker 2: fuzzy and everyone loves you and thinks you're great. You
Speaker 2: can't make that be your worth. If that is your
Speaker 2: worth man the moment the spotlight turns against you, and
Speaker 2: it will eventually at some point, some way, somehow, maybe
Speaker 2: not as spectacularly as it did.
Speaker 3: For me, But it's a good lesson to learn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean. I love that you're close with
Speaker 1: your daughters and It's just, you know, I feel very
Speaker 1: similar yours are.
Speaker 3: You're right around the same age, right.
Speaker 1: You have a twenty eight year old and then a
Speaker 1: twenty three and twenty year old.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have a twenty three and she's turning twenty next.
Speaker 1: Month, so yes, I almost twenty.
Speaker 3: How do you have a twenty eight year old that
Speaker 3: I don't know? That is incredible?
Speaker 1: I hang out with her and I'm like, who's the mom?
Speaker 1: Like how did this happen?
Speaker 3: I know, I know, and that feels like, you know
Speaker 3: what's so funny? Though, I just want to say to
Speaker 3: you too.
Speaker 2: Because I like, we're the same age. But man, I
Speaker 2: was obsessed, obsessed with nine o two one zero, and
Speaker 2: I was so like I always think about maybe even
Speaker 2: my high school friends listening to this podcast and thinking, oh.
Speaker 3: My god, you're Jenny Cart.
Speaker 2: But it's just I have to say, like, you were
Speaker 2: someone that I certainly looked up to, and all of
Speaker 2: your success happened so young. I mean, to be able
Speaker 2: to be where you are and have the beautiful children
Speaker 2: and family and success that you've had, because you know,
Speaker 2: so when you were you were thrust into the spotlight.
Speaker 2: So I can't even imagine I had to deal with
Speaker 2: my stuff, and I was a grown as adult. You know,
Speaker 2: you were dealing with all of that paparazzi and all
Speaker 2: of that pressure and all of that when you were
Speaker 2: so young. I cannot imagine what you went through in
Speaker 2: the lessons you had to learn so early.
Speaker 1: It's been a learning curve my whole life. It's been
Speaker 1: a learning curve. But I feel like now I'm catching up,
Speaker 1: you know. But that's what you do at this beautiful
Speaker 1: age of ours, and thank you for that. That means
Speaker 1: a lot to me.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I was obsessed with you. So she's
Speaker 3: so beautiful. I wanted to see you.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: I had nine or two posters in my dorm room,
Speaker 2: like that is it one hundred percent of Dylan Brendan Well.
Speaker 2: I had Brendan and my roommate had Dylan, and we
Speaker 2: both had we had I.
Speaker 3: We had like competing posters.
Speaker 2: So it was yeah, it was very We were really
Speaker 2: into the show. You.
Speaker 1: I have to ask you. I just did an interview
Speaker 1: with Joan London. We have people that you're obsessed with.
Speaker 1: After my interview with Well, I read her book and
Speaker 1: then I did the interview and she so magical, this
Speaker 1: woman and such a legend in her field. And I
Speaker 1: know you didn't work with her directly, right or did you?
Speaker 2: I didn't work with her directly, but I know her
Speaker 2: pretty well. We've spent yuess. I mean, obviously she also
Speaker 2: went through breast cancer, and so we have many many
Speaker 2: times been at the same event, at the same table,
Speaker 2: and so we shared stories and she is a met
Speaker 2: her daughters. I think I did I give her an award?
Speaker 2: Maybe she gave me an award. Yes, breast cancer community
Speaker 2: here in New York too. We all know each other
Speaker 2: really really well. But oh Joan London, please, ABC was
Speaker 2: always on in my house and Charlie and oh all
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: Yes, did she ever give you advice? Because her book
Speaker 1: is full of like nuggets, Did she ever give you
Speaker 1: advice that you were like, I'm going to take that,
Speaker 1: I'm going.
Speaker 2: To keep that.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to she.
Speaker 2: I mean, she is, she is a she's been through it,
Speaker 2: and she was man. She was in a newsroom and look,
Speaker 2: I went through enough coming up in newsrooms and getting
Speaker 2: into network news when I was twenty nine years old
Speaker 2: and going through.
Speaker 3: All of that.
Speaker 2: But she was, you know, a generation before and I
Speaker 2: just hearing her talk about how women were treated, what
Speaker 2: she went through, and I know she writes about it
Speaker 2: in her book, but she was you had to you
Speaker 2: had to not emasculate the men but still hold your own.
Speaker 2: And she just had this perfect balance of maybe and
Speaker 2: it was hard earned, but learning how to navigate all
Speaker 2: of that, and she did it with grace, with class
Speaker 2: as a mom. I mean, I loved hearing her talk
Speaker 2: about bringing her daughters to work with her and all.
Speaker 2: And I mean, my daughters grew up on the Today
Speaker 2: Show set because I was there for nine years first,
Speaker 2: so they they I just she and I talked a
Speaker 2: lot about balancing motherhood with the business. And the irony
Speaker 2: is that I just spent my whole life jumping on
Speaker 2: planes and reacting and having to go around the world
Speaker 2: when my kids are little and feeling all this mom guilt.
Speaker 2: And then my daughters leave for college. I lose my career, right.
Speaker 3: But I could like travel the world and do all
Speaker 3: this stuff. I was like, I want to go to war.
Speaker 2: I never I signed up to do some more correspondent work,
Speaker 2: but I thought I'll wait till my kids are I
Speaker 2: was like, well, I guess all of that just wasn't
Speaker 2: meant to be, but.
Speaker 1: It meant to be.
Speaker 2: No, But that's where I really drew inspiration from Joan
Speaker 2: was just how she balanced motherhood and such a demanding career.
Speaker 3: It is hard to do.
Speaker 2: And I will say, it's funny young women when they
Speaker 2: do ask me a question, it is almost always about that,
Speaker 2: how did you have daughters? How did you have children
Speaker 2: and do the job you did? And it isn't easy,
Speaker 2: And Joan made it look easy.
Speaker 1: Yeah she did. She was a pioneer, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: He really was.
Speaker 1: I have two more questions for you. I know you
Speaker 1: love to run, like you you love to run, You
Speaker 1: run far. It's very inspiring. Also, I just don't I
Speaker 1: don't get it, like I don't run to the mailbox.
Speaker 2: How do you do that? You know? It's I always
Speaker 2: say when people say they can't run or they don't
Speaker 2: like it, and I get that because I don't like
Speaker 2: it a lot of the times too. What happens is
Speaker 2: I always say, goes slower than you. I think people
Speaker 2: run too fast and they get out of breath too quickly,
Speaker 2: and then they just get overwhelmed and they're like, this
Speaker 2: is crazy, who can do this? So I always say,
Speaker 2: slow it down, run slower where you almost feel like
Speaker 2: you're doing a slow motion jog, and then you can
Speaker 2: start to build up the pace.
Speaker 3: And once you start doing that, you will never feel.
Speaker 2: Like a bigger badass than when you run your first
Speaker 2: ten k or you hit three miles five miles. I
Speaker 2: love setting goals for myself, and I used to say
Speaker 2: I could never run a marathon ever, ever, ever, ever,
Speaker 2: And then I ran my first half marathon, and then
Speaker 2: I started running.
Speaker 3: More half marathons.
Speaker 2: Now I've run seven marathons, and now TG and I
Speaker 2: are running another half marathon in a week, but we
Speaker 2: just I like to stay in half marathon shape because
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's nothing better than that, and it's just
Speaker 2: about it's discipline, and it teaches you when you want
Speaker 2: to quit and your body says stop, And this is
Speaker 2: why am I doing this. It is a mental exercise
Speaker 2: more than a physical one. And I take those lessons
Speaker 2: from running with me in life because it's through that
Speaker 2: discomfort that I realize I'm stronger than I think.
Speaker 3: And I always I told my.
Speaker 2: Daughters when I had them climbing Killiman Jarrow and doing
Speaker 2: all of this crazy stuff with me, I said, I
Speaker 2: want you to know what it feels like when you
Speaker 2: get past the pain, because nothing worth actually achieving you
Speaker 2: have to go through pain in life and in physical exertion.
Speaker 2: And so when you learn how to just push through
Speaker 2: the pain, the euphoria on the other side.
Speaker 1: That's what people say. Every runner I've ever talked to
Speaker 1: say that says, there's a certain thing that happens at
Speaker 1: a certain point. Yes, and it's like euphoric, and it's
Speaker 1: what keeps you going. What does that feel like? And
Speaker 1: how do I get that?
Speaker 3: It's almost like you're high.
Speaker 2: I mean, it really is a feeling of being high.
Speaker 2: Runners high, but it's like you know, I do like
Speaker 2: a marijuana gummy every now and then. And I would say,
Speaker 2: there are those runs where I'll have the right music on.
Speaker 3: I do when i'm training, Like right now, I listen
Speaker 3: to books.
Speaker 2: I'm listening to another I'm listening actually, I'm listening to
Speaker 2: The Housemaid right now, So I'm like reading a book
Speaker 2: while I'm running, so I get into a meditative state.
Speaker 2: But when I'm running a race or getting that euphoric high,
Speaker 2: you got your playlist on.
Speaker 3: Sometimes like maybe it's.
Speaker 2: Like Frozens on whatever, some dorky Broadway and I am
Speaker 2: just like my Sometimes when I run, I like extend
Speaker 2: my arms like I'm a bird, and I'll just feel.
Speaker 3: Like a five year old kid and just it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Okay, at what mile should I expect that to happen?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 3: I usually hits me like mile eight.
Speaker 1: Oh God, I don't think I'm ever gonna feel it.
Speaker 3: I got a ten miler this weekend. I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2: I get excited about it because I know I get
Speaker 2: nervous because I'm a little I'm still challenged. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not like riding a bike. You have to keep
Speaker 2: pushing yourself. It doesn't you don't have muscle memory. You
Speaker 2: have to keep building the endurance. So every long run
Speaker 2: is a challenge for me. I get excited about it.
Speaker 1: You're doing a marathon with teaj Oh, yeah, we're doing
Speaker 1: a half marathon.
Speaker 2: We're doing the United Half Marathon here in New York City,
Speaker 2: and then we've already signed up for the New York
Speaker 2: City Marathon.
Speaker 1: So this, Yeah, that is couplehood at its best right there.
Speaker 2: You know what, cross a finish line with your significant
Speaker 2: other and you can kind of do almost anything, and
Speaker 2: we're talking like he's had catastrophic injuries. I've been vomiting
Speaker 2: along the way stop.
Speaker 3: You help each other.
Speaker 2: And I remember the first time he saw me vomiting
Speaker 2: when we were running, like I think mile twenty two.
Speaker 3: He goes, God, you're sexy.
Speaker 1: And I, oh my god.
Speaker 2: There's nothing quite like bonding over puke and sweat and
Speaker 2: pain and all of that. But then you get those
Speaker 2: metals around your neck and you never felt better. It's
Speaker 2: like bragging rights forever.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to try it. You're inspiring.
Speaker 3: You know, what have you ever?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: What race have you ever run?
Speaker 1: The race is staying alive?
Speaker 3: Okay, so stort out.
Speaker 2: Stort out with a five k and that's three point
Speaker 2: one miles and then say all right, I could do that,
Speaker 2: and then then do a ten k. Just just slowly
Speaker 2: do it. And it's telling you setting goal. You know
Speaker 2: how fun that is when you set a goal for yourself.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, cannot do Like I'm telling you, I swore
Speaker 2: I couldn't do the half marathon.
Speaker 3: My friend Sarah Haynes, I don't know if you know
Speaker 3: she's on the view a lot of your view.
Speaker 2: Yah, she is, but she's just one of my best friends,
Speaker 2: and she and I were splitting the half marathon because
Speaker 2: I didn't think I could run a full half marathon,
Speaker 2: so we were running. I ran the first six that
Speaker 2: we ran mile seven together, and then I was just
Speaker 2: supposed to let her go on, but I had and
Speaker 2: the longest I had ever run in my entire life,
Speaker 2: with seven miles. I was. This is when I was
Speaker 2: in my early forties, and I just like, I called
Speaker 2: the race people, I go, can I just keep going?
Speaker 2: Because I was the grand marshal of the race, like sure,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what happens if I can't finish,
Speaker 2: Like we'll pick you up.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, and so I.
Speaker 2: Hyperventilated over like hyperventilated.
Speaker 3: Oh it was two circles around Central Park.
Speaker 2: That is not easy, and I almost vomited. I couldn't
Speaker 2: breathe and I but I finished and I made it,
Speaker 2: and I said, all right, I just did that. Now
Speaker 2: I'm going to train, and now I'm going to start
Speaker 2: working on like actually enjoying it.
Speaker 3: And that's what got me going.
Speaker 1: I've done an app called Couch Couch what was it
Speaker 1: called couch two K or something, I don't know what
Speaker 1: it like it amps you up on you know, it
Speaker 1: starts you walking and then you run for a certain
Speaker 1: matter of minutes and then you walk again. It kind
Speaker 1: of starts to condition you. Maybe I'll hit that back
Speaker 1: up once.
Speaker 2: Also, Hal Higden is also a great like if you
Speaker 2: say you want to run whatever race it is, and
Speaker 2: you have this much time, it tells you exactly like
Speaker 2: I we printed out I have it printed out right
Speaker 2: here on this bullet award and looking at our training
Speaker 2: schedule and we just follow it to a t.
Speaker 3: And so you just you have a.
Speaker 2: Recipe, you have a formula and you follow it and
Speaker 2: it's incremental and it's doable. And I'm telling you it
Speaker 2: is such an amazing feeling to accomplish.
Speaker 1: Next time you see me, Amy, Hey run I choose on.
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. We love our Nike
Speaker 3: Alpla flies.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, good idea. Such a treat to have you
Speaker 1: with me today. Thanks so much for taking the time.
Speaker 1: Everybody listening, I encourage you all to jump into Amy
Speaker 1: and TJ's podcast feed for their news perspective. It's fresh.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for joining me. Amy, Thanks Jenny,
Speaker 1: you guys. I'm very excited to share that My book
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