1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Hi everyone, 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: exciting news. Okay, my second annual I Choose Me Live 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: Summit Women's empowerment event is coming to Los Angeles on Saturday, 4 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: April twenty fifth, and I want you to be there. 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: The I Choose Me movement began as three little words 6 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: on Beverly Hills nine two one oh in nineteen ninety five, 7 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: but it has evolved into something so much more than that. 8 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: A revolution, you guys. It's a message I feel so 9 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: passionate about. I wrote the book on it. 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Tickets are on sale now at veeps 20 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: dot com. That's v e e PS dot com and 21 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: all of the info will be in our show notes. 22 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Welcome back to I Choose Me. 23 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: Amy Roebuck is a complete inspiration to me, choosing to 24 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: pick up the pieces of her life at fifty and 25 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: starting fresh after shocking misinformation headlines rocked her world. Here's 26 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: the rest of our conversation. Okay, can we talk about 27 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: journalism for a minute, because, like you said before, you've 28 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: been a reporter for almost three decades, right, Okay, so 29 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: you've seen it all change, You've seen news change, you've 30 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: seen the media change. How do you find reliable information 31 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: with so much disinformation out there? 32 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: That is such a good question everywhere, And I'm telling 33 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: you right now it's so interesting. So TJ and I, 34 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: when you're in it and you're at ABC News and 35 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: you know what you're responsible for, and you know your 36 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 2: colleagues and you're watching everyone, it's one thing having now 37 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: taken a step back and now, Actually, because I never 38 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: had time to watch other networks or. 39 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 3: Right programs, I wasn't. I was. 40 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: We were just immersed in our news collecting. But now 41 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: that we're responsible our podcast now, I mean DJ, Like 42 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 2: I said, we basically put up this little mini news 43 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: network and part of what we do from three am 44 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: in the morning until honestly about five pm at night, 45 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: we have three TVs on and we are watching all 46 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: the news. 47 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 3: And it is remarkable when you have Fox News. 48 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: CNN, local affiliates, different types of news organizations, and you 49 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: see how they write stories, what their headlines are clickbait, 50 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: because now we're going through, you know, from the Washington 51 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: Post to the New York Times, to the Wall Street 52 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: Journal to local papers and in a way that I 53 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: feel like I haven't done since I was on cable news, 54 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: and I'm telling you it's hard and you can't. I 55 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 2: just would say this, I don't care who the sources 56 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: or how reputable the organization is. Never ever, just like 57 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: a doctor, you always get a second opinion. I would 58 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: just say, in fact, if you're going to read the 59 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: New York Times, read the Wall Street Journal's version of it, 60 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: if you're going to watch CNN, flip over to to 61 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: Fox News see what they're saying. You will see right 62 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: away what the different perspectives are and then you can decide. 63 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: But if you just say I'm a New York Times 64 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: guy and I'm MSN. Now, I guess it's MS Now 65 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: you're only watching news to reinforce what you already think 66 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: is right. 67 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: I would just challenge. 68 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: Folks, watch the enemy, watch or read what you think 69 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 2: is fake news, and just take it in and let 70 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: trust yourself enough to be smart enough to see maybe 71 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: where the truth lies somewhere in between. But I will 72 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: tell you it's tough, and that TJ and I really 73 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: try not to. We offer our perspective, and I think 74 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: with this administration it can be tough for journalists because 75 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 2: sometimes I would argue, for us, it's not about politics. 76 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 2: It's sometimes it's about presentation, it's about word choice. You 77 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 2: can talk about decency and not actually have it be 78 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 2: about politics, and so are there is room that we 79 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: didn't have it network to talk about those types of 80 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: things because it'd be perceived as being partisan. 81 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: But I think it's fair. 82 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: I think we have to be able to talk about yeah, 83 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: definitely to each other and words now, yeah, Dave does that. 84 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: I'll walk in one minute, he's watching you know, CNN, 85 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: And the next minute I'll walk in and he'll be 86 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: watching Fox News and I'm like. 87 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: What's going on here? 88 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: Where are you settling? But he's like, yeah, I want 89 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: to see both people's opinions. 90 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: And that is that you got day will we know, 91 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 3: Dave of David? 92 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: That is I got chills because if more people would 93 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: do that, right, just be like that. And I know 94 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: that takes work. That takes it's almost taking on a 95 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: responsibility of acknowledging that. Yes, I mean, I think we 96 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: all know you're gonna get very different even if you just. 97 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: Look at the lower third. That's what we call that, 98 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 3: Like the banner is below. 99 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing that's arousing. 100 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 3: See, so they'll be both becovering. 101 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: Christy Nome, which is a big story, uh this week 102 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: when we're recording this, Christine Gnome has been fired by 103 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: President Trump. 104 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: If you see what the CNN banner says versus what 105 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 3: the Fox News banner says, it's actually fun. DJ and 106 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: I actually enjoy We laugh. Oh my god. 107 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,119 Speaker 2: Look at the difference the same story, two completely different 108 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: ways of looking at it. 109 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 3: I find it fast. 110 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: It is kind of fun but also kind of aggravating. 111 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: Well, yes, because you know that most people aren't going 112 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: back and forth and aren't taking both sides. In they 113 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: look my My grandma, but before she passed was an 114 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: avid Fox News fan, and I have worked for MSNBC 115 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: ABC News and she she when. 116 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 3: I think when I was at MSNBC, she would say, 117 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 3: do you ever watch Fox News? Amy? 118 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 2: And I said, I absolutely do, Grandma, because I always 119 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: like to see what everyone's saying. And I said, do 120 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: you ever watch watch CNN, Grandma? No, I do not, 121 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: And I was like, well, I would challenge you to 122 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: do so, Grandma, So no, I do not. No, I 123 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: do not. 124 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 3: But that is That's that's most people. I get it. 125 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: You want to feel like what you think is right 126 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 2: is also what the folks on TV are telling you 127 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: is right. 128 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: It feels safe, I get. 129 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: It, feels like good advice. I love what you're saying. 130 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: How can we, as you know, views, shield ourselves from 131 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: the doom scroll and the constant flood of bad news 132 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: that we're seeing everywhere and preserve some sort of will 133 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: to live? 134 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: Like quite honestly, it's overwhelming, and even TJ and I like, 135 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: as we're like in the thick of it, He'll be 136 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: kim me please just like not have any That's why, honestly, 137 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: I think that's why we like horror movies a lot. 138 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: It's a palate cleanser, if that makes any sense that 139 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: sounds I know. But we'll either watch Ninety Day Fiance 140 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: or Final Destination. You know, it's like something that is 141 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: completely outrageous. 142 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: Just and takes you out of it different. 143 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: Yes, my brother is a he was an emergency room 144 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: doctor for a long time. He's a position. 145 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: But he used to come home and his sons would 146 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: make fun of him and watch the Real Housewives of 147 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: Beverly Hills. 148 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 3: He's like, I have to I have to, like. 149 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: Just get all this stuff out of my head and 150 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: just depressed. So I would suggest everyone have your fun 151 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: guilty pleasure, but maybe just put a time limit on it, 152 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: you know, say I'm I'm gonna look at the news 153 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: from you know, from this time to this time. But 154 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: it is so tempting because yes, we get news alerts 155 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: on our phone what's happening, And my goodness, this isn't 156 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: an exaggeration. Having been in the business now for almost 157 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: three decades, I have never seen a news cycle ever. 158 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: We have never seen a new cycle like we've seen 159 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: the past twelve months. It's non stop today. Even we 160 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: were we got our we get up again. 161 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: At three o'clock in the morning. We basically we're finished taping. 162 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: We put together several podcasts to day news of today, 163 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: and we were like, cool, we got this, and we 164 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: always say boring breaking news. 165 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: We got our podcast done. 166 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 2: We had to come back and record two unforeseen podcasts 167 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: later because just the news, it's this isn't just small stuff. 168 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 3: This is big. 169 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: We're at war, people are being fired, people are dying 170 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: in the streets of our country. I mean, this is 171 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: just this is not little silly, gossipy stuff. This is major, serious, 172 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: life altering events that are happening. It feels like hourly. 173 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: So yes, it is overwhelming. And I don't know what 174 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: the answer is except for that to just enjoy those 175 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: guilty pleasures, make sure you got some palate cleansers up 176 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: your sleeve, and just know how to. 177 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 3: How to just get away from it for a while. 178 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 3: You can't be in it NonStop. 179 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: You can't. It's so damaging. 180 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 3: It truly is. 181 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 2: And I used to always say this too, because I 182 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: think a lot of people, especially when you're hustling and 183 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: you're I used to brag about about not taking my 184 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 2: vacation days. It's ridiculous and I one of my big takeaways. 185 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: From all of this is take the vacation days and 186 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 3: ask for more. 187 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: Like, instead of asking for a raise, ask for an 188 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: extra week of vacation. Just find a way to make 189 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: sure you take care of yourself and you protect your peace, 190 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: and you don't forget to have fun, don't forget to 191 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: to feel carefree and careless. It's okay not to constantly 192 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: be worried about things you actually can't control. 193 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: That's good advice. Yes, you're full of it. I mean 194 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: good advice. 195 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: Now you know you've lived enough life right at that 196 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: point where yes, hard earned, I still have to remind. 197 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: Myself of I know when you left ABC, I was 198 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,599 Speaker 1: waiting because I was a fan. I was waiting to 199 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: see where you would land on television. Yeah, and I'm 200 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: sure you had opportunities along the way, but you really 201 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: chose to pivot like you did, an intentional pivot at 202 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: some point. And I just, you know, I think that 203 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: that's such an important message for women, and to be 204 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: inspired by other women who have pivoted and had, you know, 205 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: another round of success in their lives. 206 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: You you know what I am? I did. 207 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: I did have actually a very tempting offer, but I will. 208 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 3: Say this that. 209 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: I remember feeling it in my chest like tightness, and 210 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: feel like I didn't want to put myself back out 211 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: there in that way. And I think after feeling like 212 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: I was twisting in the wind and people were taking 213 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: their shots, I didn't want to give them another chance. 214 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: I didn't want to have people rooting for my failure 215 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: because and maybe that was just in my head, but 216 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: I just I didn't. I just wasn't ready to put 217 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: myself back into that spotlight. I feel so good about 218 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: what we're doing here, and doing it with the person 219 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: I love, and honestly, look, I'm not saying that he 220 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 2: and I wouldn't do our own thing. Of course, if 221 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 2: something important, like something really special and meaningful came along, 222 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: we would both consider it, and I love that we 223 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: could each have our own thing. But we love working 224 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: together so much. That's what made for me my career 225 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: worth something again, was getting to do with somebody who's 226 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: as talented as he is, who I get along with 227 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: as much as I do. We just have fun even 228 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: when we're talking about hard stuff. We still managed to 229 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 2: enjoy telling stories even when they're hard ones. When we 230 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: can tell them together, and so I just I can't 231 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 2: see something taking me away from that, And if another 232 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 2: opportunity had to take me away from that, it's just 233 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: not worth it to me. 234 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: Right, I mean, I see you traveling, you're you know, 235 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: working remotely from beautiful destinations. What I mean, geez, that 236 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: sounds nice. 237 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: We did the podcast from Stockholm, Sweden and ran a 238 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 2: half marathon and worked every day, but it was like not, 239 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: It's like we call them workations. We go down to 240 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: Tricks and caicos. We're just in Mexico, worked every single day. 241 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: Haven't missed a day of work since we started these podcasts. 242 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: But we get to do them. 243 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: We can just have bureaus all around the world wherever 244 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: we are, and we've got a system. 245 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 3: Now we're figuring it out. We're learning so many skills. 246 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: TJ is like, now become like this masterful like editor 247 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 2: with videos he's putting up. We're learning all of these 248 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 2: incredibles because we've had to. And that's kind of cool 249 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: that we're you know, you can teach an old dog nutricks. 250 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: Apparently, you know you have settled down now things have 251 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: settled down, You're in a groove with your career, with 252 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: your relationship. That's got to feel amazing. I know it 253 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: took me a long time to get back into my groove, 254 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: and you know it's there's something nice about seeing your 255 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: significant your ex significant others find their groove too. Do 256 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: you think that that's given you some peace because I 257 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: felt that way. 258 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: I'm never rooting for anyone to fail. I really am not. 259 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: I've never been that. I've never felt vengeful or wanting 260 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: someone to suffer. I just look, I'm not saying I'm 261 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: a perfect person, but I've just never had that in me. 262 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: So I always would root for. We root for ABC, 263 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: we root for Good Morning America, we root for all 264 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: of our colleagues. We root for I'll root for everybody. 265 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 3: Even people who've hurt me. I hope that they because 266 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 3: I know I've hurt people inadvertently. 267 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: Like we all are responsible for our own actions, and 268 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: we're responsible for how we feel about others, and I 269 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: just I do. I believe in karma and all of that, 270 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: So I wish everyone the best. 271 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: That's all you can do. Otherwise it just eats you up, and. 272 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: You're the one who suffers. 273 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you hold on to that hatred, you're the 274 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: one who suffers, and I look, I think, look, our 275 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: kids are watching us. 276 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 3: Our kids are watching us go through tough times. 277 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: Especially now you have young adult kids like I do. 278 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: They're watching us closer than ever. 279 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know, saw me go through one of 280 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: the toughest, well the toughest time of my life. 281 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 3: And my oldest ava is twenty three. 282 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: She's an aspiring actress, and I was like this, you know, 283 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: just to see the spotlight cut both ways. 284 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 3: That's an important lesson to learn. 285 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 2: You know, you can't, they say, if you if you 286 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: get caught up in all the good press, you also 287 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: then are going to get caught up in all the 288 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: bad press. 289 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 3: Like you can't. 290 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: You have to be able to insulate yourself from that 291 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: spotlight and the way you feel when it's warm and 292 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: fuzzy and everyone loves you and thinks you're great. You 293 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: can't make that be your worth. If that is your 294 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: worth man the moment the spotlight turns against you, and 295 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 2: it will eventually at some point, some way, somehow, maybe 296 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: not as spectacularly as it did. 297 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 3: For me, But it's a good lesson to learn. 298 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean. I love that you're close with 299 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: your daughters and It's just, you know, I feel very 300 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: similar yours are. 301 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 3: You're right around the same age, right. 302 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: You have a twenty eight year old and then a 303 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: twenty three and twenty year old. 304 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: Okay, I have a twenty three and she's turning twenty next. 305 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: Month, so yes, I almost twenty. 306 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 3: How do you have a twenty eight year old that 307 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 3: I don't know? That is incredible? 308 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: I hang out with her and I'm like, who's the mom? 309 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: Like how did this happen? 310 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: I know, I know, and that feels like, you know 311 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 3: what's so funny? Though, I just want to say to 312 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: you too. 313 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: Because I like, we're the same age. But man, I 314 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: was obsessed, obsessed with nine o two one zero, and 315 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: I was so like I always think about maybe even 316 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: my high school friends listening to this podcast and thinking, oh. 317 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 3: My god, you're Jenny Cart. 318 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: But it's just I have to say, like, you were 319 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: someone that I certainly looked up to, and all of 320 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: your success happened so young. I mean, to be able 321 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: to be where you are and have the beautiful children 322 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 2: and family and success that you've had, because you know, 323 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: so when you were you were thrust into the spotlight. 324 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: So I can't even imagine I had to deal with 325 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 2: my stuff, and I was a grown as adult. You know, 326 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: you were dealing with all of that paparazzi and all 327 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: of that pressure and all of that when you were 328 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: so young. I cannot imagine what you went through in 329 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 2: the lessons you had to learn so early. 330 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: It's been a learning curve my whole life. It's been 331 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: a learning curve. But I feel like now I'm catching up, 332 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: you know. But that's what you do at this beautiful 333 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: age of ours, and thank you for that. That means 334 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: a lot to me. 335 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I was obsessed with you. So she's 336 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 3: so beautiful. I wanted to see you. 337 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 338 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 2: I had nine or two posters in my dorm room, 339 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 2: like that is it one hundred percent of Dylan Brendan Well. 340 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: I had Brendan and my roommate had Dylan, and we 341 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: both had we had I. 342 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 3: We had like competing posters. 343 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: So it was yeah, it was very We were really 344 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: into the show. You. 345 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: I have to ask you. I just did an interview 346 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: with Joan London. We have people that you're obsessed with. 347 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: After my interview with Well, I read her book and 348 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: then I did the interview and she so magical, this 349 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: woman and such a legend in her field. And I 350 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: know you didn't work with her directly, right or did you? 351 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: I didn't work with her directly, but I know her 352 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: pretty well. We've spent yuess. I mean, obviously she also 353 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 2: went through breast cancer, and so we have many many 354 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: times been at the same event, at the same table, 355 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: and so we shared stories and she is a met 356 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 2: her daughters. I think I did I give her an award? 357 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: Maybe she gave me an award. Yes, breast cancer community 358 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 2: here in New York too. We all know each other 359 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 2: really really well. But oh Joan London, please, ABC was 360 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 2: always on in my house and Charlie and oh all 361 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: of that. 362 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: Yes, did she ever give you advice? Because her book 363 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: is full of like nuggets, Did she ever give you 364 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: advice that you were like, I'm going to take that, 365 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm going. 366 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 2: To keep that. 367 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 3: I'm trying to she. 368 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: I mean, she is, she is a she's been through it, 369 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: and she was man. She was in a newsroom and look, 370 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 2: I went through enough coming up in newsrooms and getting 371 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: into network news when I was twenty nine years old 372 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: and going through. 373 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 3: All of that. 374 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: But she was, you know, a generation before and I 375 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: just hearing her talk about how women were treated, what 376 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 2: she went through, and I know she writes about it 377 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,959 Speaker 2: in her book, but she was you had to you 378 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: had to not emasculate the men but still hold your own. 379 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: And she just had this perfect balance of maybe and 380 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: it was hard earned, but learning how to navigate all 381 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: of that, and she did it with grace, with class 382 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: as a mom. I mean, I loved hearing her talk 383 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 2: about bringing her daughters to work with her and all. 384 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: And I mean, my daughters grew up on the Today 385 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: Show set because I was there for nine years first, 386 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: so they they I just she and I talked a 387 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: lot about balancing motherhood with the business. And the irony 388 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: is that I just spent my whole life jumping on 389 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: planes and reacting and having to go around the world 390 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: when my kids are little and feeling all this mom guilt. 391 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 2: And then my daughters leave for college. I lose my career, right. 392 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 3: But I could like travel the world and do all 393 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 3: this stuff. I was like, I want to go to war. 394 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: I never I signed up to do some more correspondent work, 395 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: but I thought I'll wait till my kids are I 396 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: was like, well, I guess all of that just wasn't 397 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: meant to be, but. 398 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: It meant to be. 399 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 2: No, But that's where I really drew inspiration from Joan 400 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: was just how she balanced motherhood and such a demanding career. 401 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 3: It is hard to do. 402 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 2: And I will say, it's funny young women when they 403 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: do ask me a question, it is almost always about that, 404 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: how did you have daughters? How did you have children 405 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: and do the job you did? And it isn't easy, 406 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: And Joan made it look easy. 407 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: Yeah she did. She was a pioneer, that's for sure. 408 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: He really was. 409 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: I have two more questions for you. I know you 410 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: love to run, like you you love to run, You 411 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: run far. It's very inspiring. Also, I just don't I 412 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: don't get it, like I don't run to the mailbox. 413 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: How do you do that? You know? It's I always 414 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: say when people say they can't run or they don't 415 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: like it, and I get that because I don't like 416 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: it a lot of the times too. What happens is 417 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: I always say, goes slower than you. I think people 418 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 2: run too fast and they get out of breath too quickly, 419 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 2: and then they just get overwhelmed and they're like, this 420 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: is crazy, who can do this? So I always say, 421 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: slow it down, run slower where you almost feel like 422 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 2: you're doing a slow motion jog, and then you can 423 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 2: start to build up the pace. 424 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 3: And once you start doing that, you will never feel. 425 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 2: Like a bigger badass than when you run your first 426 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: ten k or you hit three miles five miles. I 427 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: love setting goals for myself, and I used to say 428 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: I could never run a marathon ever, ever, ever, ever, 429 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 2: And then I ran my first half marathon, and then 430 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 2: I started running. 431 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 3: More half marathons. 432 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: Now I've run seven marathons, and now TG and I 433 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: are running another half marathon in a week, but we 434 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: just I like to stay in half marathon shape because 435 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 2: I'm like, there's nothing better than that, and it's just 436 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 2: about it's discipline, and it teaches you when you want 437 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 2: to quit and your body says stop, And this is 438 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: why am I doing this. It is a mental exercise 439 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: more than a physical one. And I take those lessons 440 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 2: from running with me in life because it's through that 441 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 2: discomfort that I realize I'm stronger than I think. 442 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 3: And I always I told my. 443 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 2: Daughters when I had them climbing Killiman Jarrow and doing 444 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: all of this crazy stuff with me, I said, I 445 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 2: want you to know what it feels like when you 446 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 2: get past the pain, because nothing worth actually achieving you 447 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 2: have to go through pain in life and in physical exertion. 448 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: And so when you learn how to just push through 449 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: the pain, the euphoria on the other side. 450 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: That's what people say. Every runner I've ever talked to 451 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: say that says, there's a certain thing that happens at 452 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: a certain point. Yes, and it's like euphoric, and it's 453 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: what keeps you going. What does that feel like? And 454 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: how do I get that? 455 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 3: It's almost like you're high. 456 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it really is a feeling of being high. 457 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: Runners high, but it's like you know, I do like 458 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: a marijuana gummy every now and then. And I would say, 459 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: there are those runs where I'll have the right music on. 460 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 3: I do when i'm training, Like right now, I listen 461 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 3: to books. 462 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: I'm listening to another I'm listening actually, I'm listening to 463 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 2: The Housemaid right now, So I'm like reading a book 464 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: while I'm running, so I get into a meditative state. 465 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: But when I'm running a race or getting that euphoric high, 466 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: you got your playlist on. 467 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: Sometimes like maybe it's. 468 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: Like Frozens on whatever, some dorky Broadway and I am 469 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: just like my Sometimes when I run, I like extend 470 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: my arms like I'm a bird, and I'll just feel. 471 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 3: Like a five year old kid and just it's amazing. 472 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: Okay, at what mile should I expect that to happen? 473 00:23:59,200 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: You know what? 474 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 3: I usually hits me like mile eight. 475 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: Oh God, I don't think I'm ever gonna feel it. 476 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 3: I got a ten miler this weekend. I'm excited about it. 477 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: I get excited about it because I know I get 478 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: nervous because I'm a little I'm still challenged. I mean, 479 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: it's not like riding a bike. You have to keep 480 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: pushing yourself. It doesn't you don't have muscle memory. You 481 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 2: have to keep building the endurance. So every long run 482 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: is a challenge for me. I get excited about it. 483 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: You're doing a marathon with teaj Oh, yeah, we're doing 484 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: a half marathon. 485 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: We're doing the United Half Marathon here in New York City, 486 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 2: and then we've already signed up for the New York 487 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: City Marathon. 488 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: So this, Yeah, that is couplehood at its best right there. 489 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 2: You know what, cross a finish line with your significant 490 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 2: other and you can kind of do almost anything, and 491 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 2: we're talking like he's had catastrophic injuries. I've been vomiting 492 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: along the way stop. 493 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 3: You help each other. 494 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 2: And I remember the first time he saw me vomiting 495 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: when we were running, like I think mile twenty two. 496 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 3: He goes, God, you're sexy. 497 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: And I, oh my god. 498 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 2: There's nothing quite like bonding over puke and sweat and 499 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 2: pain and all of that. But then you get those 500 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 2: metals around your neck and you never felt better. It's 501 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: like bragging rights forever. 502 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: I kind of want to try it. You're inspiring. 503 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 3: You know, what have you ever? 504 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 2: What? 505 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 3: What race have you ever run? 506 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: The race is staying alive? 507 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 3: Okay, so stort out. 508 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 2: Stort out with a five k and that's three point 509 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 2: one miles and then say all right, I could do that, 510 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 2: and then then do a ten k. Just just slowly 511 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: do it. And it's telling you setting goal. You know 512 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: how fun that is when you set a goal for yourself. 513 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, cannot do Like I'm telling you, I swore 514 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: I couldn't do the half marathon. 515 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 3: My friend Sarah Haynes, I don't know if you know 516 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 3: she's on the view a lot of your view. 517 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 2: Yah, she is, but she's just one of my best friends, 518 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 2: and she and I were splitting the half marathon because 519 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 2: I didn't think I could run a full half marathon, 520 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 2: so we were running. I ran the first six that 521 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 2: we ran mile seven together, and then I was just 522 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: supposed to let her go on, but I had and 523 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: the longest I had ever run in my entire life, 524 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 2: with seven miles. I was. This is when I was 525 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 2: in my early forties, and I just like, I called 526 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: the race people, I go, can I just keep going? 527 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 2: Because I was the grand marshal of the race, like sure, 528 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: and I was like, what happens if I can't finish, 529 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 2: Like we'll pick you up. 530 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, and so I. 531 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: Hyperventilated over like hyperventilated. 532 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 3: Oh it was two circles around Central Park. 533 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: That is not easy, and I almost vomited. I couldn't 534 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: breathe and I but I finished and I made it, 535 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: and I said, all right, I just did that. Now 536 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to train, and now I'm going to start 537 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 2: working on like actually enjoying it. 538 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 3: And that's what got me going. 539 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: I've done an app called Couch Couch what was it 540 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: called couch two K or something, I don't know what 541 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: it like it amps you up on you know, it 542 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,959 Speaker 1: starts you walking and then you run for a certain 543 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: matter of minutes and then you walk again. It kind 544 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: of starts to condition you. Maybe I'll hit that back 545 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: up once. 546 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: Also, Hal Higden is also a great like if you 547 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 2: say you want to run whatever race it is, and 548 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: you have this much time, it tells you exactly like 549 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: I we printed out I have it printed out right 550 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 2: here on this bullet award and looking at our training 551 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 2: schedule and we just follow it to a t. 552 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 3: And so you just you have a. 553 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,479 Speaker 2: Recipe, you have a formula and you follow it and 554 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: it's incremental and it's doable. And I'm telling you it 555 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: is such an amazing feeling to accomplish. 556 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: Next time you see me, Amy, Hey run I choose on. 557 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. We love our Nike 558 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 3: Alpla flies. 559 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: Oh okay, good idea. Such a treat to have you 560 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: with me today. Thanks so much for taking the time. 561 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: Everybody listening, I encourage you all to jump into Amy 562 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: and TJ's podcast feed for their news perspective. It's fresh. 563 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for joining me. Amy, Thanks Jenny, 564 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: you guys. I'm very excited to share that My book 565 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: I Choose Me Chasing Joy, Finding Purpose and Embracing reinvention 566 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: is coming April fourteenth, and it would mean the world 567 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: to me if you would pre order a copy or 568 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: the audiobook wherever you get your books. And yes, I 569 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: am definitely narrating the audiobook, so it's going to be 570 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: so fun.