1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak here for this Tuesday, the seventeenth 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: of January in London. Coming up this hour, growing pains. 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: China's economy expands at the slowest rate since the nineteen seventies, 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: pretty much gone. The Bank of England governor says the 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: trust premium on UK assets has faded. Risky business CEOs 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: at davas one of global recession is on the cards. 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Billions in UK tax go uncollected. Remote learning to combat 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: teacher strikes and ill health costling the economy one hundred 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: and fifty billion pounds a year. Those are the stories 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: we're looking at in today's papers. And I'm leanne Karen's 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: cluss trial and tribulation muskheads to court over tweets saying 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: that he would take Tesla privates. That's all straight ahead 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Daybreak Europe on DAB Digital Radio London, Bloomberg 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: eleven three oh New York, Bloomberg Washington d C, Bloomberg 15 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: one oh six one, Boston, Bloomberg nine sixties, San Francisco, 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: syrus XM Channel one nineteen and around the world on 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio dot com and via the Bloomberg Business Set. 18 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm Stephen Carroll and I'm Caroline Hipke. Here 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: are the stories that we're following today. China's economy grew 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: at the second slowest pace since the nineteen seventies last year. 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: GDP growth slow to three percent in twenty two as 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: the country doubled down on it's now abandoned COVID zero policy, 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: but the future looks brighter. In the fourth quarter of 24 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: the world second largest economy expanded by two point nine 25 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: percent compared to a year earlier. Vanessa Chan, head of 26 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: Asian fixed Income investment directing at Fidelity, says they're seeing 27 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: a welcome shift from Beijing. I think to begin worth, 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: we do see the policy changed in tontal stance compared 29 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: to last year. So first of all, they've become a 30 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: lot more pro growth and just some extempro business fidelities, 31 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: Vanessa Chan spoke as new data also shows that China's 32 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: population shrank in twenty two for the time in six decades. 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: Over one point four billion people lived in the country 34 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: at the end of last year and now the risk 35 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: premium on UK assets has all but gone, according to 36 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: the Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey, but the country 37 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: isn't out of the woods yet. Speaking to the Treasury 38 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: Select Committee, Bailey said that we're still recovering from the 39 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: impact of Liz Trust's many budgets. To be honest, I mean, 40 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's going to take some time 41 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: to you know, convince everybody that we're sort of back 42 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: to where we were before. I mean, not because I 43 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: doubt the current government. I'm not saying to be negative. 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: It's just obviously there is a something of of a 45 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: hangover effect. The Bank of England governor also warned MPs 46 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: that the ultra tight jobs market in the UK could 47 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: derail any drop in the rate of inflation. The World 48 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: Economic Forums annual meeting is underway in Davos with a 49 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: gloomy economic backdrop corporate executives and economists. They're warning that 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: a global recession is likely this year. Nearly three quarters 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: of business lead year surveyed by p WC thought global 52 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: growth would decline in three That's the highest proportion since 53 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: poling began back in twleven. Black Rock vice chairman Philip 54 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: Hilderbrand says he doesn't see central banks coming to the rescue. 55 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: The central banks are going to continue on their tightening path. 56 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: They're going to be very careful, very focused on not 57 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: losing the long term inflation expectation anchor. H And so 58 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: I think we're going to see, you know, I don't 59 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: see any chances, frankly, of easing this year. I think 60 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: the market has that wrong. So they're going to make 61 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: sure that we can really not just get from nine 62 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: to four, but also limit any kind of risks that 63 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: inflation expectations become un anchored. That's Philip Hilderbrand speaking exclusively 64 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg in Davos. Will be live there later today 65 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: with Germany's Olaf Schultz, who's set to speak in a 66 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: one on one interview with Bloomberg's editor in chief John Michethwaite. 67 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: Now two top corporate news memestock investor Ron Cohen is 68 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: said to have taken a stake in Ali Barber and 69 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: is calling on the Chinese tech giant to increase its 70 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: shared by backs. A source says that Cohen built up 71 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: a holding worth hundreds of millions of dollars in the 72 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: second half of last year. Cohen has a strong following 73 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: among so called meme stock investors and played a central 74 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: role in the frenzy of a game stop. The next 75 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: chapter in Elon Musk's life drama will begin to play 76 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: out in the San Francisco Federal Court today. It's all 77 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: to do it tweets about Tesla. Bloomberg's at Baxter has 78 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: the story. The issue was a number of tweets in 79 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen saying that he had lined up the financing 80 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: to pay for US seventy two billion dollar buy out 81 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: of Tesla. He then followed up making it sound as 82 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: if the transaction would be imminent. It fueled a stock rally, 83 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: which abruptly ended a week later and culminated in a 84 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: forty million dollar settlement with the SEC. The trial will 85 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: make him explain his actions and intentions under oath in 86 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: San Francisco. I'm at Baxter, Bloomberg, Gaybreak Europe. Those are 87 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: a few of our top stories. Then this morning, we 88 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: are very pleased to have so much coverage life from Davos, 89 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: including Hildebrand that you that we heard from earlier. But 90 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: also I think just thinking about what CEOs are most 91 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: concerned about this year. The PwC survey was very interesting. Yeah, 92 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: I mean, apart from the forecast for a recession on hiring, 93 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: which I think was one of the really interesting ones 94 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: to watch is that the majority that we've seen of 95 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: executives do actually expect for them to retain staff. That 96 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: they're not looking at cutting staff, six plan not to 97 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: reduce headcount, not cutting pay, and that's because they're still 98 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: trying to hang on to employees rather than go through 99 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: expensive recruitment processes. So at a time when we're talking 100 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: about some of the big names cutting jobs, interesting to 101 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: see that sentiment at least globally among CEOs that perhaps 102 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: they are going to hold onto their staff this year 103 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: and they're not so worried about the prospect of big 104 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: job cuts. Okay, well that's the private sector. Here in 105 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: the UK, we're much more focused on the public sector. 106 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: Nurses announced more industrial action, more strikes for the six 107 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: seventh of February, and then also we had that news 108 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: out that teachers have voted to strike. I think that's 109 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: going to be the kind of big unknown. What does 110 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: that mean for the UK economy if the schools are 111 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: closed and so on, sending a chill down the spine 112 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: of parents everywhere, and having to do with clothes schools 113 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: potentially with that strike as well. Okay, up next billions 114 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: in UK tax school and collected remote learning to comeback, 115 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 1: teacher strikes and ill health casting the economy a hundred 116 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: and fifty billion pounds a year. Now the paper review 117 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: on blue Bird Daybreak Europe. The news you need to 118 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: know from today's papers. Now joining us is Bluemberg's Leanne 119 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: Garan's with the front pages of this morning's newspapers. Good morning, Caroline, 120 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: good morning to you. So look, a lot of the 121 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: newspapers are leading on a story that we haven't mentioned yet. 122 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: This is the conviction of a Metropolitan Police officer, David Carrick. 123 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: I want to mention it though he admitted to committing 124 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: twenty four counts of rape, and it is really another 125 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: major scandal for Metropolitan Police given that he's a very 126 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,559 Speaker 1: senior officer, came to the attention of police nine times 127 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: that remained as serving officer. So that I think locally 128 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,559 Speaker 1: for London is what a lot of people are thinking about. 129 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: But then there are some other news stories, including the 130 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: Financial Times which leads on UK tax billions going uncollected. 131 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: Tell us about that. But Caroline, just before we get 132 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: to that, just touching on that case of David Carrick, 133 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: that you've mentioned there all over the front pages of 134 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: the newspapers. In light of this case, Scotland Yard is 135 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: now reviewing more than sixteen hundred cases where police officers 136 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: and staff are accused of sexual and domestic violence offenses. 137 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: So we do know that this is now coming to 138 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: light here off the back of that case. But we 139 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: will move on to have a look at the headline 140 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: in the Financial Times, and as you said, it's about taxes, 141 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: and the newspaper reports on comments by the Treasury Minister. 142 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: That's Victoria Atkins who says almost two thousand, three hundred 143 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: stars have been transferred to work on Brexit cases or 144 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen loan scheme, which we do know have 145 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: been the subject of fraud. Now this amounts for around 146 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: ten percent of compliance staff at h M r C. 147 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: And due to this movement, billions of pounds of tax 148 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: is just not being collected. So it's been left uncollected. 149 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: And Sarah Olney, she's the Liberal Democrat treasury spokesman, she 150 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: has put the question to the Treasury Minister Victoria Atkins, 151 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: who has admitted that there's been this big transfer of 152 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: staff leaving this whole when it comes to collecting money, 153 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: and the Lib Dem Party says civil servants have been 154 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: moved from one crisis to another in a constant game 155 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: of whack a mole, leaving taxes uncollected. So there we 156 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: are the latest on uncollected taxes. Okay, that's on the 157 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: front page of the Flantel Times this morning. The Telegraph. Meanwhile, 158 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: headline at school's told to use volunteers and remote learning 159 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: to combat true strikes. Yes, and you just touched on 160 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: strikes earlier with Caroline there Stephen and A mass walkout 161 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: of teachers who are National Education Union members is now 162 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: scheduled to begin on the first of February. Now remember 163 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: that is a significant date because they will coincide with 164 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: the Trade Unions Congress National Right to Strike Day. We 165 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: also know the PCs is going on strike their hundreds 166 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: of thousands of civil servants and with more strike dates 167 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: in February and March, schools could be closed for four 168 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: strike days in total in the coming weeks. Now, schools 169 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: are under pressure to make effort to limit the disruption 170 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: to pupil's Remember pupils went through so much disruption, especially 171 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: during the pandemic. And on Monday, the Department of Education 172 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: is published guidance which urges schools to consider bringing in 173 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: volunteers to help look after children and to keep the 174 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: classrooms open during walkouts because as we know, there's a 175 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: lot of parents who have to go to work who 176 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: probably can't take this time off. It's currently really unclear 177 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: how many of the nu Ease three hundred thousand members 178 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: will choose to walk up, but as we know, yesterday 179 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: teachers did choose to strike. Okay um. Just lastly, the 180 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: Times headline is rising levels of ill health costing the 181 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: economy a hundred and fifty billion pounds per year. Yes, 182 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: and this report in the newspaper touches on how ill 183 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: health among working age people is costing the economy the 184 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: equivalent of seven percent of the UK's GDP. That is 185 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: a pretty significant number and this is according to an 186 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: analysis by the paper's own Health Commission. So the Time 187 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: has been looking at all these figures now. Really, since 188 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: the start of the pandemic, more than three hundred sixty 189 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: thousand people have been forced to leave the workforce because 190 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: they are suffering from a health condition that does affect 191 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: their ability to work. So there we are just the 192 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: cost of the economy when people aren't made able to 193 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: make it into the workforce. Release dark figures. Earlean Garrans, 194 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: thank you very much with that review of today's papers. 195 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: Let's turn next to the story out of China today 196 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: the growth figures showing the expansion in the economy was 197 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: hammered last year, but still come in better than forecast. 198 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: In the final quarter, annual growth of GDP slowds just 199 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: three percent. The pace in the fourth quarter, though, was 200 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: two point nine percent of potential. Bright spot there, let's 201 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: get the details from our China Economy editor James Meager, 202 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: who joins us now took us through then. James, the 203 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: hit that the Chinese economy suffered from COVID last year. 204 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: I mean, in the headline growth number three is the 205 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: lowest since and that was numbers the lowest since six, 206 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: which is the end of the Culture Revolution, which was 207 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,599 Speaker 1: a decade of chaos and China's economy. So you know 208 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: the data last year and what happened to the economy 209 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: last year, it was pretty damaging. You saw massive lockdowns 210 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: in Shanghai and nother sues across the country, and uh, 211 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: you know, we were facing more lockdowns at dat of 212 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: the year when the government's suddenly decided to open and 213 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: basically everyone in China got it seems to have got 214 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: COVID in December and January. So it's been a massive 215 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: a year of massive disruption for for people here and 216 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: and as you see in the data, also for for 217 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: the economy. The hope is that that now that you know, 218 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: this outbreak which is continuing right now, once that are 219 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: sort of subsided somewhat, people will be willing to go 220 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: out and spend again. People willing to go out shop again, 221 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: and you'll see if we're rebounded in consumer spending and 222 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: also in demand for the housing sector, because last year 223 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: one of the big problems for the economy that wasn't 224 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: COVID was this you know, more than year long slump 225 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: in housing demand, which you know, it was one of 226 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: the pillars of the Chinese economy, was seen as being 227 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: about a quarter of GDP was related directly related to 228 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: the housing sector, and that is really the bottom has 229 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: fallen out of that market. So the hope is that 230 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: this year people willing to go out and spend again, 231 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: go shopping also by homes um. Whether that actually happens 232 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: or not, that's a that's an open question. Yeah, absolutely. Gosh, 233 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: you described such a difficult year for for China, James. 234 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: But this story also has caught our attention. On the demographics. 235 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: China's population started shrinking last year for the first time 236 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: in six decades. This really has hugely profound implications, doesn't it, right, 237 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: And there are some there are some demographers who said 238 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: that actually started a number of years ago and the 239 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: government has just been fiddling with the numbers basically. But 240 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: you know, whether it happened in or whether it happened 241 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: in two is kind of a mood point. When you're 242 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: talking about one point four billion people, give or take 243 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: a hundred million, I guess it's not so so important. 244 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, as you say that that that slump or 245 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: that the start of a real fall in in the 246 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: population is an important story. And as you see in 247 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: other countries in each stage or in other countries around 248 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: the world, Japan, South Korea, UM, that will not be reversed. 249 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: There is no way, there is no government in the 250 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: world that has successfully reversed these kind of like long 251 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: term demographic changes. Where as people get richer, as they 252 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: become more educated, they have less children, they have fewer children, 253 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: and um, and that you know what the Chinese government 254 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: has tried to do to try and reverse that. What 255 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: they've talked about has been tried in other countries and 256 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: has failed, and so there's no reason to believe that 257 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: would be successful in China. And so what does that mean? 258 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: You know, less demand for housing, less demand for education. 259 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: If you're an education provider in the US or Australia 260 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: or the UK, and you rely on Chinese students coming 261 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: from students come from China to buy your university courses, 262 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: there will be fewer and few of those as time 263 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: goes on, and less demand for commodities from other countries. Uh, 264 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: maybe this will mean less maybe this will mean less 265 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: consumer demand in the country. Obviously, you know, you can 266 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: make there are some changes the government can make to 267 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: try and slow down the effects of this. For example, 268 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: you look at Japan, the population has been shrinking for 269 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: a decade now, but the number of people in the 270 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: labor forces continue to rise because more and more all 271 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: people are working. So that that is one thing that 272 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: the government, you know, the Chinese government could also do 273 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: lots to do to sort of keep more people in 274 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: the workforce longer. But obviously, as you see in many countries, 275 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: in on the world. It's a very very unpopular decision. 276 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: There are strikes and f on that exact issue about 277 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: raising the working raising and retirement, as you have to 278 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: work longer before you can get the pension. It's also 279 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: a very very unpopular decision in China. The government has 280 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: been trying to do that now for a decade or more, 281 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: and basically every time they talk about it, there's such 282 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: a backlash that there they stop talking about it. 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